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There are a number of reasons that I love

1:01

winter. Scheme. Holiday

1:03

gatherings. Eggnog. But

1:06

the thing that really gets me every year

1:08

is this guy. The light in winter

1:10

is magic. Because while the days

1:13

are short, sunrises and

1:15

sunsets along, especially

1:18

around the solstice. Plus,

1:20

when there aren't storms, there's less humidity,

1:22

and the air is often cleaner,

1:25

meaning no haze. The result is

1:27

sunsets that are Well, walk

1:29

outside and see for yourself if

1:31

you haven't already. Of course,

1:34

it gets a lot better than sunsets. Clearwinds

1:37

nights make for spectacular displays

1:39

of the Aurora Borealis or

1:41

northern lights. Some thing

1:43

that truly feels like magic.

1:46

Today, we're replaying an episode

1:49

from a few years ago by Peter Frick

1:51

Wright, that really might change how

1:53

you feel when you see something beautiful

1:56

in this

1:56

guy. It sure did that for me.

1:59

Here's Peter. Righter

2:00

David Wollman has been talking to scientists about

2:02

the aurora, and this is how scientists describe

2:04

it. A

2:07

Rubourialis is caused by

2:09

non stop nuclear fusion on

2:11

the sun. As

2:16

these unimaginably huge and powerful

2:18

events are happening all the on the sun.

2:21

They send charged particles

2:23

out into space that come

2:25

zooming toward earth Those

2:31

electrons and protons will

2:33

smash into oxygen,

2:36

nitrogen, and other

2:38

molecules in the upper atmosphere. And

2:42

those collisions emit

2:45

visible light. And

2:49

it's usually this icy green

2:52

but there are

2:55

reports of seeing lots of other colors. I

2:57

certainly saw a lot of pink. But

3:01

it's really this kind of crystal

3:04

ice super cool neon

3:08

green. But

3:11

David's story isn't about how the Aurora works.

3:13

The story is about photographer Hugo Sanchez.

3:16

It describes the Aurora this

3:17

way. I would say, you know,

3:20

it's just magical. It's it's

3:22

it's it's the sky. It's

3:24

the sky dancing.

3:30

So it's like, there is

3:32

nothing like it. It's just

3:34

unreal. HIGO

3:38

is custodian at an elementary school. He

3:40

takes photos of the AuroraReplay his spare time.

3:43

David is a contributing editor with outside.

3:45

So he's always kinda looking around for interesting

3:48

people to write about. But he didn't start

3:50

out looking to write about a Hugo or the Aurora

3:52

Borealis. When David started

3:54

out, he was trying to write about Steve.

3:58

I first got interested in it

4:00

because of this Aurora

4:02

related phenomenon I was reading about

4:05

that isn't been nicknamed

4:06

Steve. And I can't remember

4:09

what it stands for, but of course, a bunch Canadians

4:11

came up with it. Steve is a phenomenon

4:13

that you can see in roughly the same places

4:15

that you can see the Aurora

4:16

Borealis. And to the average bystander,

4:19

It kinda looks like Aurora. But

4:21

to experts or passionate amateurs,

4:23

it's completely different. So

4:25

different that its name comes from a scene in

4:28

the animated film over the hedge, when a

4:30

group of animals encounter something completely

4:32

unknown. I would be lot less afraid

4:34

of it if I just knew what it was called. Let's

4:36

call it Steve. Steve? It's pretty

4:38

neat. Steve sounds nice. Yeah. I'm a

4:40

lot less scared to Steve. It's

4:42

very similar to Aurora, but it is definitely

4:45

not Aurora, and has this neat scientific

4:47

backstory because as far

4:49

as I understand, some citizen scientists

4:52

or enthusiasts were spotting

4:54

this phenomenon and

4:57

making some kind of claims that it was not exactly

4:59

Aurora, but it's still this neat lines

5:03

or columns of visible light. Turns

5:05

out, Steve is the result of electrons entering

5:07

the

5:07

ionosphere, which creates friction

5:10

and heat causing particles in the

5:12

atmosphere to glow. But

5:14

back in twenty sixteen, no one knew that.

5:17

Blah blah blah there were some back and forth I think they were

5:19

poo pooed by the scientific community and then lo

5:21

and behold, it turns out they're

5:22

right, and it's this neat but slightly

5:24

different thing. And that's not what this story

5:27

is about not at all what the stories about,

5:29

but this wonderful thing about journalism

5:31

and story hunting. What the story is

5:33

about is a photographer that David discovered

5:35

when he started

5:36

emailing. With a NASA researcher. We got

5:38

to talking a little bit about Steve. And

5:41

what happened is in

5:43

a magazine article, in, like, like

5:45

a popular science type magazine. I

5:48

saw a picture of Steve,

5:50

but it was actually self portrait. Of

5:53

a guy dressed in, like, all white

5:56

in, like, a painter's suit,

5:58

out in the snow with his tripod shooting

6:03

pictures of the Aurora

6:05

and or Steve. And I

6:07

thought, Who the hell's that guy? I

6:13

have I always had crazy idea. I call

6:15

him crazy ideas, but

6:17

It's that's that's the name that I

6:19

give

6:19

it. But I had

6:22

an idea one day. That

6:24

guy was, of course, Hugo Sanchez. Out

6:26

taking this otherworldly photo of himself

6:28

and what looked like kind of a space suit,

6:31

but the glowing all around him.

6:33

And David thought himself This guy might

6:35

have a story.

6:37

Hugo wasted no time as

6:40

far as telling me his life story

6:43

and welcoming me and to what I thought was

6:45

an incredible story.

6:46

Hugo's story, it turns out is a story of

6:49

why people go out on terrible frigid

6:51

nights to shoot pictures. And it has

6:53

nothing to do with Steve, our electrons

6:55

in the ionosphere. Hugo

6:57

was out there because the sky was dancing

7:00

and he needed some magic. So

7:06

Hugo Sanchez grew up in

7:08

Saint Salvador in El Salvador's

7:10

capital.

7:11

And, you know, by

7:13

his accounts up until he was ten or eleven

7:16

or twelve, he had a very happy childhood. He went

7:18

to school, like, every day.

7:20

And I and my parents were, like, married.

7:23

And there is seven

7:26

brothers and I

7:28

mean, mom number eight. You

7:30

know, the family would buy a watermelon

7:32

on the way to the beach on the weekend and

7:34

come home with crab and fish and he played soccer

7:37

like every other kid. And

7:39

then from age twelve or so

7:41

and for the next decade his life was really

7:43

defined by the civil war that

7:46

grip to the country. Since nineteen

7:49

so I had, like, a normal ten years

7:51

of my life, I should say, like,

7:53

kids, what kids do and all that

7:55

stuff

7:56

until, like, nineteen eighty. That's

7:59

when the civil war is started

8:01

in in El Salvador. So that

8:04

changed many things. You know,

8:06

as Hugo told me as a kid when you're twelve

8:08

years old, at first he was more fast neither than

8:10

frightened. You know, the fighting was pretty distant,

8:13

and he told a little anecdote about

8:15

going visit his grandma, and he and his cousins

8:17

would sit on a hillside and watch

8:20

the gunfire from

8:23

helicopters and stuff on a distant mountain,

8:26

you know, and it's this kind of peculiar image

8:28

of Hugo looking up at the sky

8:30

and sort of dazzled

8:32

in a completely different way. As

8:34

Hugo grew up however, things kept getting worse.

8:37

The fighting moved from distant hillsides to

8:39

the streets outside his

8:40

house. Things were getting like

8:43

as as I was getting older, they were

8:46

getting tougher and tougher

8:48

because like

8:51

I say, you know, I did not want

8:53

to be I'm against violence.

8:57

Right? So I never wanted to be

9:00

in the army. III

9:02

never wanted to be

9:05

on, like, the gorillas either.

9:07

Right? So

9:09

At what point did you start thinking

9:12

about leaving? So

9:15

so what happens is along

9:17

the way, I found, you know,

9:19

was I was young. Yeah. I was

9:21

eighteen years old, but I

9:23

found, you know, this this this one

9:25

girl, you know, like, that

9:27

I loved. And then we

9:30

we had a

9:31

kid. And we

9:33

got married. We had a kid. And

9:36

I was just eighteen years old, but

9:40

we still didn't wanna leave. And

9:42

so at first, you know, they thought they could kind

9:44

of ride it out but then they knew of

9:46

different people who were fleeing and his

9:50

wife's mother was already in Canada and

9:52

sue their church. They

9:55

started once things just weren't the walls

9:57

were closing in too much on him, he could

9:59

tell that they had to get out of

10:00

there. He

10:01

was that end of thanking eighty nine. So

10:03

nineteen ninety, we apply.

10:06

And it wasn't like an overnight thing or rushing

10:08

for the border. They're still like paperwork

10:10

and medical exams and just everyday

10:13

bureaucracy steps that

10:15

are required before they could finally get residency

10:18

and in Canada, but then they

10:21

flew, you know, three thousand miles north

10:23

to start a new life in Edmonton,

10:25

Alberta. He

10:29

was going in search of a better life for his

10:31

daughter, but a better life for himself

10:33

was gonna be a stretch because

10:36

at the time he was basically a kid, starting

10:38

over in a new country, though any connections

10:40

or skills or firm grasp on

10:42

the language. Even his wife's

10:45

family, which is the whole reason they were in Canada,

10:47

they were leaving them on their own.

10:50

Like, the mom was here, the uncles,

10:52

and and all that and all those

10:54

people were here, but they were not. Being

10:57

helpful. But we're new.

10:59

We don't know this. We don't know that. We don't

11:01

we don't know anything. So

11:04

it's like in a way you need somebody to,

11:06

you know, grab your hand and hold

11:08

you and say, well, this is like this

11:10

this is like that. How long did

11:12

it take? To start to feel a

11:15

little a little bit at

11:16

home?

11:16

Or has it ever happened? You feel

11:18

at home in in to Edmonton?

11:21

Well, you know, like, for me

11:23

was different. Right? I I got

11:25

used to Like

11:28

everything more than my ex

11:30

wife. Heaker says that as the provider

11:33

for the family, he had to

11:34

assimilate. Was a matter of survival,

11:36

so he did it. His wife, he says,

11:39

didn't adapt as well. After

11:41

having I had my daughter. Right? Over the

11:43

years, I have another son. And

11:45

then, you know, like, things between my

11:48

ex wife didn't go

11:50

well, and we ended up like,

11:52

breaking up and we got divorced.

11:56

Right? So after,

11:58

like, you know, so many years living together,

12:01

So he was the end of my

12:03

story with her. So

12:05

now, you know, I was single for, you know,

12:09

a few, you know, certain time. I can't

12:11

remember two

12:11

years, three years, whatever it

12:14

was. So I then I met

12:15

Emilia's

12:18

mom. He meets a woman named Jamie,

12:21

and they found love. And About

12:26

year later, they have a son named

12:28

Emilio. But

12:31

unfortunately, right from

12:33

birth, it's very clear that Emilio's

12:36

condition is incredibly serious. He

12:39

was born with this kind

12:42

of ten car pile up of developmental disorders.

12:47

So he's rushed into emergency emergency

12:49

surgery right away for surgery

12:51

on his I think, his trachea and

12:53

his abdomen. And

12:58

through the the following five months

13:01

or so, he doesn't even leave the hospital for five

13:03

months. He

13:05

endures more surgery freeze and

13:07

it becomes clear that he, you know, he will never

13:10

walk or talk or eat independently.

13:14

His vision and his hearing or

13:16

severely impaired.

13:20

Just before we go any

13:22

sort of further in time, I was wondering if you

13:24

could tell me just a little bit about Emilio.

13:28

Like, you know,

13:31

what was he like?

13:33

I mean, it sounds like he had profound developmental

13:36

problems, but I guess, what what

13:38

are your memories of him?

13:41

You know, he was he

13:44

couldn't talk. Right? He couldn't he

13:46

couldn't talk. But but

13:49

you can see this you

13:53

can see this sweet

13:57

little pot. Like, he

13:59

was it's not because he's my son,

14:01

but he was so

14:04

handsome Like like,

14:07

he's here. And

14:13

and almost he wanted

14:15

to you

14:17

could tell he wanted to communicate and

14:21

and say something, but he

14:23

coming.

14:27

One of Hugo's really good friends who

14:30

also had a child with a similar condition.

14:33

He told me that having a child like

14:35

this is like trying to tread water

14:37

with an anchor around her neck.

14:39

It's it's it's hard on the family. It's

14:42

hard for the kids, for the older

14:44

kids that you have if you have

14:46

any. It's hard for the wife. It's hard

14:48

for the husband. It's hard for everybody.

14:51

So and and we kidding. We couldn't

14:53

cope with Emilia sickness

14:55

and all that stuff. So

14:57

we ended up breaking

14:59

up, and they knew

15:02

you had to go to live in

15:04

a clinic. So

15:07

Emilio goes to live in a place called Rosecrest

15:09

and

15:13

it's difficult on both the parents, but

15:15

I think for Hugo, it

15:18

provided a little bit of an opportunity to

15:22

to go back to living just

15:24

a little. And at that

15:26

time or really by that time, Hugo had

15:28

already really fallen in love with

15:30

photography. I bought a

15:32

camera. I'm not gonna say I became

15:34

a photographer. I bought a camera

15:36

to take photos. We went out to

15:38

a park and interval go.

15:41

Canadian fashion. He started taking pictures

15:43

of Canada Goose. And

15:48

he even says it with

15:49

half, like, even typical stuff that any

15:51

amateur photographer is, you know I see

15:53

start walking around with a camera. I see ponds,

15:56

birds flying, bird purging. Goos

15:59

goos

16:00

swimming, whatever. Just simple stuff.

16:02

He kinda makes fun of his his early years

16:04

photography. So and then

16:07

as I'm learning new things,

16:10

I love taking photos at night, so

16:12

I remember one day There

16:16

was a meteor shower.

16:19

So he goes out to try and take pictures of

16:21

the meter shower and he he comes back,

16:23

uploads his pictures, completely

16:27

came up empty. Nothing. But

16:30

accidentally, he did capture the

16:32

AuroraReplay in one of these images

16:35

just faintly. So I took

16:37

photos of the northern lights without

16:39

knowing that I was taking photos. That

16:42

was his first photo of the the

16:44

moment that really changed everything, came

16:47

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16:49

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18:00

before the break, Hugo Sanchez had gotten

18:02

a camera. And started taking photos

18:04

of the Aurora. But it had been on

18:06

accident. He didn't really

18:08

see the Aurora until he was driving back

18:11

to Edmonton from Calgary with Jamie.

18:13

Emilia's mom.

18:15

They'd split up, but we're still in good terms.

18:17

So we win there. But on the way back, we

18:20

we sold the most amazing northern

18:23

lights. I

18:29

never seen. I've seen so many

18:32

AuroraReplay so many shows,

18:35

but I never seen nothing like it.

18:43

It was just oh, it was amazing.

18:45

We could almost touch a cube. It

18:48

was it was just incredible, you know, just

18:50

it was the light that went.

18:53

I don't know. I I don't know where

18:55

went, but it's in my heart, in my

18:57

soul, I don't know. But

18:59

he was like, wow, that's that's that's something

19:01

that I wanna see again. Like,

19:03

I'm looking forward to see this again.

19:07

And he's really hooked,

19:09

like, right away. By this

19:11

idea, he gets online, he starts

19:13

researching

19:14

Aurora, learning about the science, takes

19:17

out books from the library about taking pictures

19:19

at night, I went and

19:21

I started, like, looking, you know, for

19:23

YouTube tutorials about Northern

19:26

Lights and settings and all that

19:28

stuff. But I

19:30

know the reason why

19:32

I'm doing no

19:33

wrongs. That's because Emilio

19:36

is half native. Emilia's

19:39

mom, Jamie, is Cree First

19:41

Nations. And she told you ago that

19:43

in the Cree tradition, the believed

19:46

to be the spirits of dead ancestors dancing

19:48

in the night sky. And this idea

19:50

became even more important to their family

19:52

when Emilio died.

19:54

He was ten years old. He loved

19:56

watching TV. He was just, you know,

19:59

there enjoying cartoons and

20:01

and and, actually,

20:03

when he died, he was watching the

20:05

movie and he was watching

20:08

comfortable panda and and

20:12

he passed away. Like,

20:17

I know. I don't I know

20:19

about science. I know this now. I know

20:22

the science behind it. I

20:24

know why they're created and all

20:26

that stuff. But as

20:28

a belief, for me, that's

20:31

that at the sister, it's emilia.

20:34

Dancing for me.

20:43

After losing Emilio, Hugo missed

20:45

his son, pretty bad.

20:47

He wanted to feel closer to him,

20:49

but how? Science

20:52

couldn't much help with that question, but

20:54

the Aurora could. On

20:56

one of his first nights out taking photos after

20:58

Amelia passed away, he goes up the

21:00

picture and when he looked at

21:02

it, he dropped to his knees. And

21:04

I was crying. I was like, crying.

21:06

Like, I can't believe it. And

21:09

in that photo that I took, there

21:11

is an angel

21:13

in that photo. It was the Aurora

21:16

dancing into the shape

21:17

of an angel on this camera sensor. An

21:19

angel that I kind of say kinda looks like

21:21

a little boy. I only

21:24

have one angel. Right?

21:27

You know, which is a millennial.

21:31

It's like this little boy who craved attention

21:33

in life, still wanted it

21:35

after life. And he got

21:37

it. How much time do

21:39

you would you say that you spent

21:42

photographing the AuroraReplay,

21:44

he

21:46

knows, like, I'm so loved

21:48

with Aurora that if every

21:50

day comes out, I would go every day.

21:55

So every time the sky is

21:57

clear, I go,

22:02

And after learning all this about Hugo, David

22:04

Wolfman decided he wanted to go too.

22:08

So I wanted to see if we could go

22:10

catch it together in Alaska.

22:14

And outside editors

22:17

said yes, which was great. They

22:19

started their trip in Anchorage and actually

22:22

cut a decent show of Northern Lights, their

22:24

first night out, their own

22:25

mind. But it wasn't quite the magical

22:27

display that made Hugo feel like Emilio

22:30

was there with him. You

22:32

know, he had mentioned to me

22:34

sort of how he likes to

22:36

talk to Emilio when he sees the Aurora.

22:39

And

22:41

I had asked him something to the effect of,

22:43

like, is

22:45

this like the kind of time when you

22:47

would talk to Emilio and and he

22:49

kind of looked and

22:50

laughed. He's like, no. No. No. This this is nothing

22:53

like it has to be legit. David

22:55

wanted to see Hugo in action, photographing the

22:57

night sky, and commuting with the memory

23:00

of his

23:00

son. But huge part of chasing

23:02

Aurora is waiting around. Doing

23:05

nothing at all. The way it works with

23:07

Aurora Chasing is if you're working

23:09

with a guide, he

23:11

or she will be watching

23:13

the forecast and maybe nine thirty

23:16

or ten o'clock give you a call or send

23:18

you a text about, like, it's a dumping

23:20

snow outside and it's supposed to snow another feet and

23:22

you could never see the sky, like, at

23:24

all, you should just go to bed and

23:27

have a nice night and let's connect tomorrow. Or

23:29

things are looking half decent or etcetera. Right?

23:31

They're gonna give you their own kinda unvarnished

23:34

assessment of whether it's worth it to take a shot.

23:37

And Hugo was always wanting to go.

23:39

I mean, his view was,

23:42

the only guarantee is that you're not gonna see

23:44

it if you don't get your ass out there. You

23:47

can think of Hugo's story as a beautiful

23:49

tribute to his son. He braves the

23:51

cold and skips whole nights of sleep because

23:54

the aurora makes him feel close to him

23:55

again. But when David

23:57

got to Alaska, there was more to

23:59

it than that. He always wanted he

24:02

was he wasn't just game for Aurora. He

24:04

was game for anything. Like, should we ride

24:06

the tram at that ski area just to do it?

24:08

Sure. Let's let's go do it. You know, you wanna ride

24:10

old snowmobiles and yes. Let's

24:12

let's go do it and there's this hot springs, like,

24:14

oh, yeah. I love hot springs and because

24:16

you kind of have a lot of time to kill during the day.

24:18

And in I should

24:19

add, you know. So when when David was describing

24:22

this trip, he told me

24:24

that you're always up for anything. You're

24:27

you're just palpably having

24:29

fun and enjoying yourself.

24:33

And I guess I just wonder where that

24:35

comes from. Photography.

24:43

It cleans my soul. Right?

24:46

So all the problems, all the pains,

24:48

all all the sorrow, it's

24:51

there. Like, you know, it's it's a way out.

24:53

It's like, I don't wanna have this weight.

24:56

So I need to find a way

24:59

to get it out. And

25:01

by me, like, doing photography

25:04

me doing all these things. Like,

25:07

I'm like transforming all the

25:09

bad stuff, all the

25:11

bad vibes, all the

25:14

all the negativity and all

25:16

the hard times and and the struggles.

25:19

I'm trying to I'm making them

25:22

in a good way.

25:25

And are you saying that the fact

25:27

that you can go do this

25:29

photography and and sort

25:32

of, you know, clean clean your soul as

25:34

you say, Are you saying that leaves you

25:36

open to these experiences? Or

25:38

are you saying these experiences are part of

25:41

are part of the kind of cleansing and

25:43

getting rid of of the bad vibes.

25:47

Yes. I I would say both because

25:51

At the same time, I'm I'm I'm cleaning.

25:54

Like, I'm trying to be happy.

25:56

Let's say, I'm trying to be happy. I'm trying

25:58

to be know

26:00

to think about something

26:02

that I can't change. At

26:05

the same time, I'm looking for an opportunity

26:07

to to to

26:10

to do better. I I wanna

26:12

show because I also

26:14

want to show the people that

26:17

it doesn't matter what's going on in your life.

26:20

It's like you can make it better. Right?

26:24

Because I'm

26:26

not gonna cry and

26:28

and and and instead

26:31

of me crying, I'm gonna go and

26:34

and do something positive out of

26:36

something negative. Almost

26:39

like you're turning tears of sadness into

26:42

tears of joy. When you do cry.

26:45

Right. It

26:50

was about a week into the trip. Near an

26:52

old mining town called Wiseman that

26:54

Emilio finally showed up.

26:57

So we're there waiting, we're kind of

26:59

walking around, and then

27:02

I'm I'm my eyes are in the sky.

27:04

Dave is, like, you know, talking to

27:06

a person he's getting info, but

27:08

my eyes are in the guy in as soon

27:10

as I see Dolores at one point

27:13

that is coming out of it's

27:14

like, oh, here it is. Yeah.

27:18

Look at that. Gosh.

27:24

Eat your heart out rainbows.

27:29

You remember, I said no, maybe.

27:31

I said, we will. I'm

27:34

not You love it.

27:36

Royal Whisper. Now

27:39

I can tell look, that's why I would tell you.

27:41

What's the

27:41

heck? I said that's that's what

27:43

I told you. What?

27:46

That what? Now

27:48

that I can now I can talk.

27:50

Oh, now you can

27:50

say? Yes. Now I can

27:52

say, you know, I'm

27:54

happy to see you, Emilia. Miss

27:58

your buddy. You

28:02

know, I love you. Mom loves it too.

28:08

Thanks for everything. You're doing. Baitings.

28:13

Big eyes. Big kisses. Get

28:16

a lower you put it.

28:44

This episode

28:51

was written and produced by Peter

28:53

Frick Wright and David Woldman.

28:55

And based on David's feature for

28:57

outside, the man who

28:59

chases Aurora's to push away

29:02

darkness. You can read that story

29:04

on outside online. And includes

29:07

some amazing Aurora photographs by

29:09

Hugo Sanchez. Music

29:12

for this episode by Robbie Carver.

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