Liz Hackett works with Bush Heritage Australia, a conservation organization in Australia that mirrors the work of the Nature Conservancy in the US. She is an avid birder, has traveled the world extensively, and she and her late husband, Paul Hackett, owned and managed a bird-watching tour company in Melbourne before his sudden death in August 2019. Liz and BWD's Wendy Clark McGlynn enjoy a conversation about birds and birding in Australia, living down under during the pandemic, what it's really like to live in the city of Melbourne, and finding the strength to move on after sudden loss.