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Hey man

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what are you listening to , man ? I'm listening

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to the vintage album review in the old

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dirty basement .

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Well , turn it up , man .

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Hello everybody and welcome to another edition

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of Vintage Album Review

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.

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I cherish these moments .

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Yeah , we have a very special one today with one of our rock

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classics . We have a good old friend of ours

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here , hawk . Welcome Hawk

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. Thanks gentlemen , what

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are we calling Hawk today ? Is

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it just Hawk ?

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Do you want to go by Hawk Hawk's fine , Hawk Hawk

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is good . We're protecting the innocent Hawk . You've been mentioned

1:56

more times than possible . You might

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be the second most mentioned person on this podcast

2:01

, right after Nutley Nick .

2:02

Yeah he's up there , but we mention him as

2:05

Hawk , correct , correct , it's always Hawk . Okay , it's

2:07

always Hawk .

2:07

I believe so . Any time I've ever heard a reference

2:10

, it was always Hawk Hawk , which

2:12

is simple , it's easy to remember

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and it rhymes with rock .

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Speaking of which Rock

2:18

?

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and roll yeah .

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What album we got today , hawk , so you picked

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an album .

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We are going to discuss a phenomenal

2:26

, classic Appetite for Destruction

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by Guns N' Roses .

2:30

Hell , yeah , yeah for

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destruction by guns and roses . Hell , yeah , you know we do these . Uh , our our first one and I think

2:36

our our mainstay with this is to to review these albums that

2:38

truly made and broke

2:40

the band , like really broke them into the mainstream

2:43

. Now , granted , this was their first , you know , full

2:45

release , but I mean , appetite

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was obviously for damn

2:49

sure broke guns and roses into the mainstream globally

2:53

. Globally , a tremendous album

2:55

, absolutely tremendous yeah worldwide huge

2:57

, huge hit .

2:58

Huge album songs are all hits

3:01

. Uh , we'll learn more about that , though maybe

3:03

only one number one hit , who knows ?

3:05

maybe who's to say yeah , but

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hawk , you know we uh , you know , as

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you're our special guest here and you're the one who picked

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this album , you know why did you pick this album . There's a few albums in life that you know , as you're our special guest here and you're the one who picked

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this album , you know why did you pick this album .

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There's a few albums in life that you hear that

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rock you this hard and consistently and

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all these years later it still holds up

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, Hell yeah . At the time period we

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were like 11 , 12 years old . We were kids . Yeah

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, it was like 87 . Yeah

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, and to this day and age I

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think everybody can still

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air guitar . Every single note

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, almost every song

3:37

on the album changed

3:40

everybody's perspective of what rock

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was at the time . So I thought

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it was a great , great album to

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pick amongst the theme of vintage

3:48

, classic and just rocking

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.

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Awesome . Man Could not agree more .

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So let's get into this , I guess . So guns

3:56

and roses , appetite for destruction . Release

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date july 21st 1987

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. Like you guys said , that puts us 11 , 12

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years old . Something like that , recorded

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january 18th through june

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23rd of 1987 and

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the studio was rumbo

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canoga park . Take one burbank

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record plant , los angeles , and

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, uh , the budget on this 370

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000 estimated

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. So I don't know in comparison if

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that's a lot of money or not that was a lot .

4:29

It sounds like a lot .

4:29

86 , 87 yeah , for

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an album when you guys were what

4:34

, what was your band ? Screw face .

4:36

That is correct , yeah there's two members

4:38

here I think that I think that album might have cost

4:40

a thousand dollars , thousand dollars .

4:42

Okay , just wanted to get an idea but

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hawks been .

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You've been on the music scene since then . You played in a couple

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bands , right , yes , sir , slapping

4:48

the bass slapping the bass bending fre

4:50

nice , bend and fret nice was

4:53

that one of the bands I like

4:55

that so , uh , producer on

4:57

this was mike clink .

4:59

I don't know that name . Anybody know that name , anything

5:02

he might have been attached to he wrote some songs

5:04

for him I think or helped out with some that's

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pretty much all I have for those facts on the

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album . I'll turn it over to zap for the uh for

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the band members sure thanks , man .

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So band members and album

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contributors include , but are

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not limited to in the band

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the original full band

5:22

. We know the lineup , we know of

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guns and roses , w

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axl rose on lead vocals

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and the synthesizer on

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Paradise City . What is ?

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the W . What is that for ?

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William , william , yeah , okay . Slash

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on lead guitar , acoustic

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guitar , slide guitar , talk

5:43

box and backing vocals , izzy

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Stradlin on rhythm guitar , lead

5:48

guitar , backing vocals and percussion

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, duff Rose McKagan

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on bass guitar and

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backing vocals and Steven

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Adler on drums . There

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was an additional musician credit

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that goes to Adriana

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Smith for the background

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vocals on Rocket Queen

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.

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I like what you did there I really enjoy that

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.

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Oh yeah , that's a story in and of itself . Yes .

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That fun fact . I know we'll get to later , but

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I did not hear that until about two months . Actually

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it was in October .

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I never knew that and I can't wait until we get into that

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later , but all these years I never knew about

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that fun fact I can well

6:28

, going like to be or one of those weird um stations

6:30

like that and it was a whole thing on like axle rows and

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they had a lot of cool like thing and that was what

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I was like . Oh , is that what that's from ? I

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did not . Yeah , I was kind of like dave , I did not know

6:39

that for a couple nice , did you know that I

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did not till just this minute oh

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, awesome , there she is , your rocket

6:47

queen .

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So dave mentioned mike clink . Uh

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, he was certainly uh lead production and engineering

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. We also had steve thompson

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mixing , michael

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barbiero also on

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mixing , george marino on

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the lp and cassette mastering , barry

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diamond on the cd

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mastering , and I'm not going to go through

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the names , but there were about a half dozen other

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assistant engineers . So

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a lot of people , a lot of people . All right

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, it takes a village .

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That's awesome it does .

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There's so many hands in a cookie jar Shit

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yeah , then they take all your money , that's

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where it is you got to tour

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all the time You're

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playing small clubs .

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How are you going to buy heroin with all these engineers taking your money

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?

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Well , the heroin's free .

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When you're a rock star .

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Yeah it was all the real money that they took . That's true

7:34

, that's fair .

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That explains the $370,000,

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. I guess these guys aren't cheap .

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So I guess I'll get into a track listing synopsis

7:42

. That's very nice . This

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is the Appetite for Destruction . These are

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the songs . The

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first side was side g and there was a side r instead of what on an album a and b very cool and I

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guess they decided to do that . Or was it one of these guys like mike clink or whatever one of

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them was like it'd be cool if we did g

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and r yeah , somebody came up . Yeah

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, obviously it was a good idea . We'll get into

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it . Oh , you know , it's in here , oh shit

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it's , it's , it's in the sauce , nice

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, but we have a side G , uh

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, number four . No , I'd say the first song

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, welcome to the jungle , written by guns

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and roses . The second

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song is it's so easy , guns

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and roses . Then you have night train

8:25

out to get me , mr

8:27

Brownstone , and paradise city

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, all written by guns and roses .

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Nice .

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And the longest . The longest track on that

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side was Paradise City at 6

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minutes and 46 seconds Yep .

8:38

Yeah , I didn't know it was that long . I didn't know it was that long

8:40

either . Oh yeah , is there a rate ? The

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radio edits probably less , maybe .

8:44

That outro is a long outro

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. Do you think they cut it down ?

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They just take some of the outro out .

8:53

Of it , I believe . So they outed the outro . I mean , some stations will still play it entirely right

8:55

, right , right , like mtv for the videos and stuff .

8:57

They probably cut it , they definitely cut it we'll

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get it with a sweet child of mine . Remember too when

9:01

you were like growing up trying to listen to it on the radio . They always

9:03

cut the solo and everybody's like what the ? hell

9:05

yeah remember that , just so they could fit it in

9:07

on the radio and that was like a big , I think what

9:10

slash hated that , but another one we'll probably

9:12

get into later on . On the side

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r we have my michelle

9:16

. Think about you , sweet

9:19

child , oh mine , you're crazy

9:21

, anything goes . And

9:24

rocket queen , all written by

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guns and roses , anything goes , had chris webber

9:28

helping out on that and the

9:30

longest I thought , sweet Child of Mine

9:32

was longer than Rocket Queen no , I thought it was

9:34

longer yeah well , it is but they

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oh , no , no , no , yeah , they have Rocket Queen

9:38

at six minutes and 13 seconds .

9:40

Yeah , I'm thinking of Paradise City .

9:41

I'm sorry which great song . It should be longer

9:43

, but so yeah , there you have the track

9:45

listing of Appetite for

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Destruction so we were all talking

9:50

about this .

9:50

You know this is an a level

9:52

of excitement for all of us . You know , when we look

9:54

back and I mean so July of 87

9:57

, I was going on 11 years old

9:59

this came out , this hit , but

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we didn't really experience the joy

10:03

of it . No one did until a

10:05

year later , say

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in 88 , when I mean these guys really finally

10:19

finally hit . So we're 11 , 12 years old . Whenever that is , that puts us in , what so

10:21

88 ?

10:21

we're in sixth grade .

10:22

I remember and I'm just look like right now I'm looking at

10:24

, you know , just story , personal stories , memories

10:26

. I remember in sixth grade talking

10:29

to this one girl who had gotten this album

10:31

I'm looking at the album , the

10:33

cassette and Matt

10:35

. You know , you and I have talked about this before where

10:37

you see these , these images

10:39

and you're , you know , coming up Catholic and go into

10:42

Catholic school and stuff like like you see skulls

10:44

just ingrained these things that just are ingrained

10:46

in your brain . Wow , these guys are like

10:48

raw and ruthless and evil

10:50

and oh man , man , this is just like not

10:52

devil stuff , but wow , this is just forbidden

10:55

.

10:56

it is forbidden well , the , the , the cross

10:58

and the skulls is one thing too . I remember like these guys

11:00

are so badass , yeah yeah like how

11:02

can you like I thought that was like illegal in some states

11:04

, like I bet you couldn't .

11:05

Like you know you take it to school . You gotta

11:07

hide it . Yeah , exactly , or like

11:09

the teacher would grab it , especially she looked inside

11:11

on the cover , you're in deep doo-doo

11:13

.

11:14

I grew up with parents that , uh , I'm

11:16

glad we all did .

11:17

Yeah , that's awesome . I grew up with parents that would would

11:20

go through cassettes or you know at

11:22

the time , cassettes that would if they didn't like the way it

11:24

looked or they heard this out of the other thing about they would throw

11:26

it away oh yeah , well see , I remember listening

11:28

to live crew like back

11:30

around that time and I'd turn it down way

11:32

low , be so horny and all that .

11:34

Sure you know , and that cover was like girls

11:36

, if I remember correctly , like bent

11:38

over on the cover and all that . I mean

11:40

, really , my parents probably wouldn't have cared that much but

11:42

still didn't feel comfortable being that age

11:45

to have that . You know what I mean . But there's

11:47

gnr , for sure that regular

11:49

or the original cover is the one

11:51

you're talking about too , right uh , yeah

11:54

, yeah , the .

11:55

So what became the insert ? None of us . I

11:57

can't believe that any of us would have been able to purchase

11:59

the original cover no , not at all . I

12:01

wonder what that's worth I don't know

12:04

if they ever released that it wasn't

12:06

.

12:06

It was not . I don't think that was ever out as an original

12:08

cover right , there was so much backlash right away when

12:10

they tried to put that out .

12:11

You weren't going be going to the wall and buying

12:13

that original cover oh , I thought they pulled it

12:15

, or something .

12:15

Yeah , talking about the album , I remember my pap bought

12:18

it for me and I went and I was like , can I get this tape

12:20

? And it was I think my seventh grade

12:22

year and he bought the actual tape

12:24

for me because I don't think

12:26

like I . I heard stories about it , I knew of

12:28

it going into that and I knew that I I wouldn't my

12:31

mom or whatever would be like I'm not buying this with a cross

12:33

and skulls on it .

12:35

How about you Hawk what happened back in the day ?

12:37

Absolutely forbidden .

12:38

You weren't allowed to have it A million percent .

12:40

yeah , and it wasn't so much the

12:42

music itself . It was like my

12:44

mom understood the imagery behind the

12:46

band and what they presented . So

12:48

her like that was real sex , drugs and rock

12:50

and roll . Right right Not just like old rock and roll

12:52

, with an image Like these guys were living it . So

12:55

it was a big taboo , no-no . So

12:57

I ended up getting a copy of it from a friend of mine in

12:59

grade school . It just you know .

13:01

What about , like other bands

13:04

at the time , were you allowed to listen to like Poison

13:06

or whatever ? I don't know wise

13:08

, or was that just the one that they got singled

13:10

out ?

13:11

like poison was big . I think deaf leopard was

13:13

big at the time that was all good , you're probably allowed .

13:15

That was fine .

13:15

Yeah , that wasn't an issue . Like I

13:18

said , it wasn't so much the music , it was the imagery

13:20

, the idea of like axl

13:22

and slash and the cigarette and

13:24

all that other stuff .

13:25

Yeah , it was . It was sex , drugs

13:27

and rock and roll personified correct

13:30

.

13:30

Much like us in in high school . We pretty much were just

13:32

like guns and roses , oh my gosh

13:34

.

13:34

All we had to do was play instruments cigarette hanging

13:36

out .

13:37

You guys did .

13:37

You went on like you had a band spitting

13:40

image , so it's interesting that you should say that

13:42

. So when I look back on personal stories or memories

13:44

about this album , it is in fact 100

13:47

true that this album

13:49

is what inspired

13:52

me to pick up the guitar oh for real I

13:54

saw . I saw the video for sweet

13:56

child of mine and I said I

13:58

want to do that now . This is after

14:01

seeing the video countless times and asking myself

14:03

is that guy black or is he white

14:05

? You're talking about slash . Yeah , he was half correct

14:07

.

14:07

He's half and still remains half right

14:10

uh , but I at the time I

14:12

just , I mean , I grew up in high school change

14:14

, I couldn't see him under the hat half the time

14:16

, correct ?

14:17

well , there was no white dude . I know that run around with that hair , which

14:19

was amazing , that's the thing .

14:20

So the hair throws you is he black or is he white

14:23

? But I don't care , that guy can crush it on

14:25

guitar . And I wanted to play guitar and so I

14:27

bought a guitar and I bought an amp hawk

14:29

. You vividly remember that Squire and you remember

14:31

that Washburn microstack I had . So

14:36

back in the day , and I guess you still can do it

14:38

. But there were these books . They were guitar

14:40

tablature books . So instead of reading

14:42

the notes , tablature puts numbers

14:44

on where the notes should be and that tells you what your fingers

14:47

are and what fret you're at and all of that shit . So

14:49

the first tab book

14:51

I ever bought was appetite

14:53

for destruction .

14:54

Nice , yeah , I wanted to play every guns

14:56

and roses song I thought you were more of a zeppelin zeppelin

14:58

guy my second book was led

15:01

zeppelin four but

15:03

no , I um , I remember a friend

15:05

of mine called me from up the street . His name was . It was robert

15:07

dilla , I don't know if I can say that . But um

15:09

, he's like dude , are you by a tv ? And

15:11

I'm like , yeah , well , what's up ? He's like , put on mtv

15:13

right now . And I put it on . He's like there's

15:16

this dude with like this hair and he's just

15:18

shredding man . He's like you gotta see this . So

15:20

I put it on . I was like what in the world is

15:22

this amazing shit going on right now ?

15:24

you were into it , yeah , but I was like wow , these guys

15:26

are insane , incredible

15:28

see I had a different like I remember

15:31

welcome to the jungle and liking that song

15:33

and all that . But I would like I said I wasn't really into rock

15:35

back then . I mean it was okay

15:38

, but I would never go out and buy like a rock album I

15:40

was just about to say that's the idea .

15:42

You're a hip hop guy , you know yeah , I'm

15:44

sorry , I know a million percent and like it

15:46

was always a thing like and I've shared that with you in the past

15:48

yeah and even you remember that

15:51

, when I saw the entry song to this

15:53

kick-ass album I remember seeing the video

15:55

and and just being very like , wow

15:58

, this is like different .

15:59

And I was , you know , I definitely dug it . But it wasn't

16:01

until high school . Um , a mutual guy

16:03

we all know , joey . We were in ninth grade

16:05

and he gave me I think I referenced it before on a podcast

16:08

gave me the cassette . And then I went , heard

16:10

the rest of it and I was like , wow , this is like really good

16:12

. There was many albums like that I discovered

16:14

later on , just because at

16:17

that time I wasn't into it .

16:18

But that's cool how that inspired you to play guitar

16:20

100 and , and you guys were on

16:22

board with it who was from the get-go , so

16:25

who inspired you , hawk , when you wanted to pick up

16:27

the bass ? Was that like towards high school ? Were you still in

16:29

grade school it ?

16:29

was like a collection of stuff . No , I was in grade school

16:31

oh nice we just listened to like a lot

16:33

of metallica yeah gnr yeah

16:36

you know , and even some of the 80

16:38

hairband stuff , that like you can't help but

16:40

say , yeah , okay , I didn't wasn't

16:42

primary , but yeah , you're definitely influenced but the

16:44

hair bands were like kind of the big

16:46

thing in la and people were kind of getting like tired

16:48

of that sound , I think .

16:50

And then when g and orchid like wow , this is freaking

16:52

rock and roll , man . Like these guys , like the

16:54

way they wore like the the pants

16:56

with the shirts and they had like rings

16:58

on like they were playing with like it was , it

17:00

was cool to see and that stuff that wasn't

17:02

really going on right , that was like real rock and roll

17:04

for when we were growing up .

17:06

Yeah the the hair bands , if

17:08

and you know , hawk , help me out here if I'm

17:10

wrong but but the , the the hair bands that you hear about

17:12

, or that we , we came up with , so many

17:14

of them were manufactured in the studio

17:16

like that . They pulled this guy and that guy and

17:18

the other guy together and say , okay , look , you're the band we

17:21

wrote all these songs for . You Just

17:23

play these songs Cause you have great hair or

17:26

you have great stage presence or you know how to

17:28

twirl a drumstick in your fingers . So it's

17:30

so much of it was manufactured and shitty and

17:32

bullshit , and you could , I

17:35

mean , every other song sounded like every other song

17:37

. When , when this album came out

17:39

and I'll still to this day say this is probably one

17:41

of the last great

17:43

hard rock albums , without

17:46

a doubt it just it resurrected

17:48

the idea of hard rock and I mean , like gritty

17:51

, these guys lived it . Everything was written

17:53

from experience and they , it was just

17:55

awesome well , that's what I .

17:56

I agree with you . With their songs , like they , they took

17:58

what out of their life there in

18:01

in la and how they were like trying to

18:03

make it on the scene , and they just took different events

18:05

of things that happened and made actual

18:07

songs about it . I think that's what zap

18:09

was saying .

18:09

It just was gritty , raw to the

18:11

point and it was different I

18:13

can see where you're saying that too , like these seem

18:16

like the type guys if you saw them out at a bar off

18:18

hours . They're dressed the same way 100

18:20

versus like there's no costumes versus like

18:22

maybe poison or somebody , not to call them

18:25

out , but any band that's like , and maybe

18:27

not with all the makeup and all the you know I get all

18:29

that . That's all part of their stage presence , but these

18:31

guys seem to be real .

18:36

But even like Motley Crue , like I was kind of in a couple of Crue songs but I thought of them

18:38

as a kind of like a glam rock . You know what I mean .

18:39

Absolutely yeah , like

18:51

they really but then I liked , you know , being that you're all pretty

18:53

much rock fans . So , if you would put GNR

18:55

as probably one of the coolest legit rock

18:57

bands . Who would you say was one of the cheesiest

19:00

corniest 80s

19:02

?

19:02

rock bands Like 80s hair bands

19:05

.

19:05

Like just any band , like rock bands .

19:07

The cheesiest hair band , or let's

19:09

go with the cheesiest hard rock band or

19:12

the cheesiest hair band , or the let's go to the cheesiest hard rock band , or the

19:14

cheesiest rock band , I don't know .

19:15

Trickster , trickster , would you put up there ?

19:16

yeah , I definitely put trickster out there I haven't heard that name

19:18

in a long time yeah that's that , that

19:20

jumps up to trickster white snake white

19:23

snake I mean coverdale was a man coverdale

19:25

was cool and right play it . A white

19:27

snake did have some like players , you

19:29

know , but yeah , as far as like the cheeseball image

19:32

, of rock but I'm saying like cheesy , like I think white

19:34

snake was kind of cheesy .

19:35

Any band white line poison was cheesy .

19:37

I love poison yeah but they were cheesy , they're local

19:39

. Well , like how we talked about .

19:41

Sorry sorry how we talk about like nickelback

19:44

and we say people hate nickelback and

19:46

all that it's a pennsylvania thing it's a pennsylvania thing

19:48

, but like I'm just trying to think of , like in that era

19:50

, like who was a band that if you're a

19:52

metalhead and you're in the rock , that you're like man

19:55

, screw these guys I would definitely go with .

19:57

Yeah , I would definitely go with trickster or even enough

19:59

is enough oh , okay , I remember that

20:01

, that name yeah enough is enough was pretty

20:03

fucking cheesy who were the guys that ?

20:05

I don't even know if it was rock and roll , but they're like once

20:07

there was a kid crash test , yeah

20:09

, crash , they don't count . Okay

20:11

, I don't know if they were rock , I don't know what the hell they were

20:13

that was 90s

20:16

that was 90s pop , was it okay ? No

20:18

, so we're going to 80s .

20:19

I don't know when they were from um it

20:21

was kind of like a type of negative type voice

20:23

.

20:23

Oh yeah , like different you know ?

20:25

but uh , yeah , I was just curious because metalhead

20:28

would say any of that hair band , shit is corny

20:30

yeah , but looking back .

20:31

Looking back , though , or during that time , were you like ?

20:34

oh , winger was corny , don't

20:36

you dare but they would take whichever

20:38

one was popular at the time and that would be the hated

20:40

on one oh , I got you there would be no particulars

20:42

. It's an umbrella . Oh like yeah , poison's number

20:45

one screw them .

20:46

Yeah , yeah , I got you oh , winger has a hit .

20:48

Oh man , I'm a metalhead but if you see

20:50

gnr , they would definitely kick all the other hair

20:52

bands' asses at that time . Sure , you

20:55

don't want to mess with them .

20:56

The original iteration of GNR

20:58

, for sure , for sure . And by original

21:00

I mean the five that we knew Not

21:03

to be confused with the previous guys

21:05

. I mean there's a whole history behind Guns

21:07

N' Roses .

21:07

You're talking about the other bands . When we get to it

21:09

eventually , if , you guys want to hear

21:12

about it .

21:12

I'm happy to regale you with the tale of

21:14

how Guns N' Roses came together . Let me hear

21:16

it . Here it goes . How did they begin ?

21:19

Yes , I want to know this history .

21:20

Well , since you ask , back in 1983

21:23

in the West Hollywood section of Los

21:25

Angeles , two guys , Chris

21:27

Webber and Izzy Stradlin , teamed

21:30

up and began writing songs . They

21:34

recruited a locally known singer by the name of Bill Rose to

21:36

join them . The three went on

21:38

to form the band Axl and

21:41

later changed their name to Hollywood Rose

21:43

. Bill , in fact , was

21:46

so enamored with the name Axl that

21:48

he took it as his own stage name

21:50

.

21:51

That's cool . That is cool , chris .

21:53

Webber , sorry , no , please go ahead .

21:54

Sorry , no , I was going to say I didn't know that about

21:57

Axl the name , and

21:59

I did see that earlier today when I was looking

22:01

stuff up . So his name is Bill

22:03

Rose , William Rose .

22:05

William Rose , in fact , his

22:07

birth name . It is interesting

22:09

. His birth name is Bill

22:12

. Yeah

22:14

, it is interesting , his birth name is Bill Rose

22:17

. But his mom and his dad

22:19

got divorced and his mom got remarried to a guy

22:21

named Bailey , so for a while

22:24

and it had adopted Axel

22:26

.

22:27

He was adopted . Yes , legally

22:29

.

22:30

So he changed his name from Bill

22:32

Rose to Bill Bailey Not

22:34

Beatle Bailey , but Bill Bailey .

22:36

Axel Bailey , that's right .

22:38

Every Rose has its own was actually after Bill .

22:40

Rose

22:42

, oh wow

22:46

. And he later

22:49

found out in life of this Rose guy he

22:51

took the name Rose . So that's when

22:54

he became . Instead of William Bailey , he became

22:56

William Rose . Back to his original name . Cool

22:58

, that's crazy His name was Slash , who at the time

23:01

was in a band called Road Crew with

23:03

two other guys , stephen Adler

23:05

and Duff McKagan . Stephen

23:21

Adler would soon thereafter become Hollywood Rose's drummer . Now , hollywood Rose didn't

23:23

last too long . It disbanded

23:25

, with Bill Axel

23:27

Rose going on to become the lead

23:29

singer for another local band , la

23:32

guns , which had been started by

23:34

a local guitarist , tracy guns

23:36

. They were not that good , dude . Dude

23:39

, you're welcome . You are welcome that they

23:42

were phenomenal .

23:44

I mean , la guns might not have been everybody's thing

23:46

and we're going to get into the whole they

23:48

were a little glammy and thing , they were glammy but

23:50

Tracy guns .

23:51

Shit , they were a little glammy thing . They were glammy , but tracy guns shit . Yeah , play dude .

23:53

Oh my god yeah , I imagine I'd like to get a hold of

23:55

something early on and see how that was yeah , honestly

23:57

, oh yeah , I didn't know that , so you're probably

23:59

only going to find bootlegs .

24:01

I don't think he had ever recorded an album as

24:04

the front man , but I for goddamn sure know

24:06

that axl rose was the front

24:08

man for la guns for a minute for a minute

24:10

.

24:10

That's what I'm saying . If you look under any la gun songs

24:12

, which I you know took a deep dive a while

24:14

back , we were talking about , you know , gnr um

24:17

, I don't know who their singer was , but they were not

24:19

, they were just glammy like . A lot of songs

24:21

were like pop glam weirdness

24:24

, but they they might have been cool at one time

24:26

when they had those players , but from

24:28

what I know of them , we weren't growing up on the scene

24:30

though in LA in the eighties , which could have been no , and

24:32

these guys change looking crazy High time

24:34

, right , yeah , it was .

24:35

It was a very incestual relationship

24:37

amongst between Hollywood , rose , la

24:40

guns and hell . A number of the LA road

24:42

crew Like there was . They were just swapping

24:44

members back and forth , consistently all of the time

24:47

.

24:47

This is like Kaiser , so Say Shit , shit , shit

24:49

.

24:49

You can see all the names coming together yeah

24:52

, axl LA Guns , that's right .

24:54

I think something might happen here .

24:55

Something might Well . Hollywood

24:57

Rose , despite having disbanded , would later

24:59

have a reunion show on January

25:02

1st of 1985

25:04

. Almost immediately afterwards

25:06

, Hollywood Rose merged

25:08

with the then iteration of LA

25:11

Guns . The two bands became

25:13

known as guns and

25:15

roses . Oh yeah yeah , there it is and

25:18

its initial lineup consisted of axl

25:20

rose , izzy stradlin , tracy

25:23

guns old beach and

25:25

rob gardner is uh sorry

25:27

, real quick tracy guns female tracy guns

25:30

is a dude okay .

25:30

Tracy Guns is a dude . He's a dude .

25:31

He is a dude , gotcha , he's all man .

25:34

So who Old Beach was what ?

25:37

Bassist I'm gonna say bassist , and Gardner

25:39

was on drums , gardner

25:41

Beach , and even Tracy Guns

25:43

had either quit

25:45

or been fired from the band within less

25:47

than two months of the merger . They

25:50

are replaced by the entire core

25:52

band of road crew , which included

25:55

slash , steven adler and

25:57

duff mccagan . Thus you

26:00

got axel , you got stradlin and

26:02

now you got slash adler

26:05

and mccaagan so this guy's name's

26:07

gun , or uh , yeah , guns

26:09

and he quit the band and

26:12

then they kept the name , and can you imagine

26:14

that , though ?

26:14

how that would suck if your name was like frank

26:16

beatles , so you were playing with them , guys , and

26:18

then you quit so you

26:20

were stuck with la guns , and then there's guns and roses so

26:23

that's the thing .

26:23

So so when you have guns and roses , right

26:25

, that was the merger of the then at the time

26:28

, hollywood rose I'm sorry la

26:30

guns and hollywood rose . All tracy

26:32

guns did is he quit this band and he

26:34

restarted la guns oh , he went

26:36

to la yeah , I mean because hell , I can remember

26:38

like it's a shame what happened to jane

26:40

. Whatever that song is by la guns

26:42

, it was like a significant uh hit

26:44

for them it was a video video , everything

26:47

.

26:47

Yeah , uh , that came . That came out well

26:49

after appetite . Yeah , that was their big hit yeah

26:51

so so they had commercial success

26:53

sure , that's it .

26:55

Thank you , hawk . The ballad of jane that's right .

26:56

So they made some money . At least he got something not really

26:59

.

26:59

No , he didn't get guns and roses money .

27:01

Yeah , he got money that would

27:03

be the thing . Like you know , I

27:05

I would think well that that did

27:07

to a guy from the Beatles . Right , there was a guy

27:10

that was in a band .

27:10

There was a fifth beetle . He quit . He quit where they

27:12

started . Damn . The Beatles were started as

27:14

a five piece , they went to a four piece .

27:16

Well , that's what I was part of Maroon six .

27:19

They cut back , yeah , yeah .

27:30

Times . Yeah , fun fact , I know we were talking about them earlier . Uh , did you know that

27:33

while hollywood rose , while they had been broken up , that slash actually tried for a then

27:35

up-and-coming band named poison

27:37

? They ended up choosing

27:39

cc deville instead ? yeah

27:41

, it worked out for him they hated uh , poison

27:43

hated cc deville's attitude that they

27:45

thought that guy was just an asshole , just a complete

27:48

asshole . But they wanted an east

27:50

coast band , so cc was from

27:52

new york and all the other guys were from from

27:54

there as well . You got the guys from mechanicsburg

27:56

right so yeah they . They just

27:58

wanted an east coast feel and , despite not

28:00

liking cc and his jerk off attitude

28:03

, they picked him up over slash , but

28:05

wasn't that pretty much axl , with la guns

28:07

being the asshole ?

28:09

yeah , wasn't he like complete , like even like

28:11

the band members when he got , when he got together with gnr

28:13

, they were like axel was always axel

28:16

yeah , so that's a another

28:18

thing yeah , we can get into that later . Well , no hell I'll

28:20

get into it right now so perfectionist

28:22

he is slash will tell you interviews

28:25

but there was times where he wouldn't get on stage

28:27

, like if his uh , his headband wasn't right or

28:29

if he couldn't find like um , like

28:31

he didn't feel right at the time , like there'd be like like dude

28:34

, actually you got to get on I did hear a thing today

28:36

I listened to .

28:37

Uh , it was a producer or something on this

28:39

album did an interview and he said that when

28:41

axl would sing he'd come like 7 30

28:43

at night and to record but he'd show up late

28:45

. He was supposed to be there but he , because he had to be angry

28:48

to sing like he had to be in that

28:50

mindset because I can see where he was .

28:52

Like he had everything had to be perfect you

28:54

know well , not just perfect for

28:56

his first fully

28:58

like , significantly paid for album

29:00

now . So this wasn't their first album . They did

29:03

put out an ep called live like a suicide

29:05

. So again , that was just

29:07

an ep , was what hawk four tracks I

29:09

think , so four tracks on that album

29:11

, maybe a fifth , it's just a

29:13

ep , correct that lp

29:15

. Lp is this would no appetite

29:17

was the lp live

29:19

like a suicide , was their ep . They

29:22

just extended play . So with

29:24

those four or five tracks , they put that out . They

29:26

had already signed to geffen like geffen paid for

29:28

no , that was on uzi , but I mean they had already signed with geffen . But they put that

29:30

out . They had already signed to Geffen , like Geffen paid for or no , that was on Uzi , but I mean they had already signed with Geffen . But they put that out to appease Geffen

29:32

, like , look , we're just going to put this out

29:34

really quickly so we can really devote time

29:37

to working on appetite

29:39

. So for appetite

29:41

, back to the concept of Axl

29:44

being whatever Axl is for this

29:46

album , he was already a diva , like

29:48

a huge diva . He insisted

29:50

that each line of each verse

29:53

, pre-chorus and chorus , be

29:55

recorded on separate tracks . This

29:57

was simply so listeners wouldn't hear him breathing

30:00

in . Essentially , each

30:02

exhale sung was its own

30:04

track .

30:05

Is that that chocolate rain that you guys do ?

30:07

Chocolate rain .

30:08

Just like that .

30:09

Exactly .

30:10

Just like chocolate rain . I mean , that's

30:12

a guy that I mean I don't know . I

30:14

lose my fucking mind over that . Like I

30:16

can think of 8 and 16 tracks , but god

30:18

damn , the number of tracks this guy

30:20

would have had to use for every song

30:22

is insane . Yeah , it's a lot of work

30:24

it is .

30:25

That's why uh n-word singing was

30:27

created n-word singing

30:29

what can you elaborate on that ?

30:31

what's inward singing ? It's not tenacious d the

30:33

d ? Uh tenacious d ?

30:36

you can't stop the metal they

30:38

recorded the greatest song ever

30:40

yeah tribute . Yeah , it was

30:42

just a tribute . You can never have , or

30:44

never what . Never play the greatest song , something like

30:46

that .

30:47

I don't know , that's a whole another album review , which

30:49

is a worthwhile album review for sure . Uh

30:52

, let's see . So , uh , who wants to get into

30:54

, uh , some song and album fun facts

30:56

?

30:57

oh , I do yes , sounds like fun

30:59

if they're facts , yes , hit

31:02

me anybody want to .

31:03

Does anyone know anything about the cover art ? I

31:06

do , oh , share with us , matt please do

31:08

.

31:09

Um , well , the cover do you have ? Oh , you also

31:11

have it here . Appetite for destruction was actually

31:13

it was supposed to be the cover art

31:15

of the alien type , uh

31:18

, robotic rapist about to be punished

31:20

by an even larger , savage robot . That's

31:23

what , what's written here . But actually , uh

31:25

, robert williams was a guy that did kind of like

31:27

that , that art that you would see on the

31:29

inside cover , yep , and I guess

31:31

nobody could . They couldn't do that art and

31:33

it couldn't be put out with that art on it , so they

31:35

had to go to what it was Axl's tattoo

31:37

, right .

31:39

The tattoo , I believe came later . Yeah

31:41

, oh , it did , it was a tattoo artist , I think .

31:43

But I did hear something about that , robert Williamss . They went

31:45

over to band , went over to go through his artwork

31:47

and , uh , he , they picked that

31:49

one , like collectively , they picked it and

31:51

he was like you don't want to probably use that because it's not gonna

31:53

like I've already had issues with putting it out

31:55

and they didn't care because they loved it .

31:57

They're like it's perfect look , it's tough to sell

31:59

an album when you have a cartoon drawing of a

32:01

chick with her one boob hanging out and her

32:03

panties are down around her knees . Right , that's

32:05

, that's a tough sale , maybe

32:08

just back in the day , correct ?

32:10

yeah , was this before tipper gore and

32:12

all that shit no , this already had the

32:14

label on it explicitly it was going

32:16

to be labeled one way or another .

32:18

I got you . I mean again

32:20

you talk about parents or whomever gives a shit

32:22

. But yeah , that's not gonna say that

32:25

thing comes in the door , that's not gonna make one step

32:27

in before it gets burned or thrown away .

32:29

Right Anyway , poor Catholic school

32:31

kids .

32:32

And so , yeah , they ended up having to come up with that image

32:35

, and I guess I think it was Dave . You're

32:37

pretty sure you're right that a tattoo artist had come up with

32:39

that idea of that , that Celtic cross with

32:42

each of the five skulls and the spaces they

32:44

were .

32:44

That was a Billy white . Billy White Jr was the one that made

32:46

. That . Is that white .

32:48

Yes , or is that right ?

32:50

Either way . I saw a

32:52

cool shirt . I was hoping

32:54

I couldn't get it in time , but it's the GNR

32:56

logo here . Appetite for Destruction

32:59

with a Cross , but it says Golden Girls

33:01

Thank you for being a friend

33:03

. And it's the Golden Girls' faces

33:05

in there . You know what I mean . That's awesome . I want

33:07

to get that , but too late can we just don't get

33:09

it though .

33:10

Odb like that , we can just put hocker in

33:12

the middle , sure we should do that .

33:13

Yeah for a new logo . Yeah , that we vintage

33:15

album vintage album review nutley

33:17

nick on there we , yeah , we gotta get you know

33:19

, speaking of which I , well nutley , will be like it'll

33:22

be like the full face around the whole thing . True , like

33:24

god in the middle he could be like a puppeteer

33:26

above us with strings and stuff .

33:28

Master of puppets , yeah , Nice

33:31

.

33:33

I saw a similar t-shirt Instead of Golden Girls

33:35

, it was the Constructicons . What's

33:38

that ?

33:38

The Transformers . Transformers .

33:40

What's a Constructicon ? Come on , they formed Devastator

33:42

the neon green guys .

33:45

They were huge , they formed that one , they were like Voltron , but for

33:47

Transformers .

33:48

And then the good guys were Autobots .

33:51

Autobots . So the Constructicons were a group of

33:53

five or six . I think it was actually six , it

33:55

was six , they had that whole thing Little robots

33:57

that merged together , that became Devastator

33:59

. Now , sure , if they're picking sides

34:01

, they were Decepticons . For damn sure

34:04

they're bad . Okay , but the group was called the Constructicons

34:07

, like you had the Aerialbots , or you had the

34:09

Stunticons , or you had the whatever GoBots

34:11

, gobots was awful .

34:12

Yeah , they weren't as good .

34:14

Damn terrible . Anyway , it had five

34:16

heads of the Constructicons on there and at the bottom

34:18

it read Appetite for Construction

34:20

.

34:21

That's awesome .

34:22

Yeah , pretty good . Fun fact did you know

34:24

that the band received a $37,500

34:27

advance on this album from Geffen

34:29

records ?

34:30

Is that ? Is that a lot ?

34:32

I mean you're talking 87 . Now

34:35

it's 37 , five split between five

34:37

dudes .

34:38

Right .

34:39

So I guess it's like look this'll

34:41

, this'll put you up for a bit until you guys

34:43

go out . This is , this is like money . So you can

34:45

pay to live , we'll pay you to live . Money so you can pay to live

34:47

, we'll pay you to live . So you don't have to go out touring , you don't have to do shows , you don't

34:49

have to do this , that and the other thing , so you can just focus your

34:51

efforts on this album . Dude , that was drug money

34:53

for like two months 100 that

34:55

went to buy drugs

34:56

that's what I'd like to know . What , like in 87

34:59

, what , uh , let's say , like bon jovi

35:01

was getting for . You know , I don't know

35:03

if they were , as they were probably

35:05

bigger by now

35:07

than guns and roses right , like , let's say , a band

35:09

like that , I wonder what they were getting for . Oh yeah

35:12

, like an album like I mean that I'm a mathematician

35:14

.

35:14

But that seems low considering how expensive

35:16

it was to record the album exactly

35:18

you know what I mean .

35:19

They're already planning on recouping that so

35:21

they had to spend on the album . Let's say

35:23

they spent 370 grand on the album

35:25

, but that was split between 12

35:28

people working on the goddamn thing just

35:30

to make it working insane

35:32

hours . Hell , what's his name ? Was working

35:34

18 hour days putting that together . That

35:36

, uh , mike clink I

35:39

read someplace like he was putting in insane

35:42

overtime for months putting this together

35:44

. He was splicing it with razors himself instead

35:46

of using machines and whatever .

35:47

Just he just kept going and going and going would Would have been

35:49

smart to do like Batman and say , like

35:51

you don't have to pay me , I want the backend . Sure

35:53

, you know , give me a percentage if you cause

35:55

. They had to know this was going to be a special album , yeah .

35:57

I mean the advance again is just like look man

36:00

, we'll album

36:08

. Like don't go on the road , don't do whatever , don't worry about a part-time job , this is your money

36:10

to pay you to record .

36:11

But that was I , I think like geffen was the one that put him

36:13

up in like the hotels gave him whatever they needed

36:15

for you know , do you guys need some

36:17

, some food , what do you ? Whatever ? Like

36:19

I don't understand how , in advance , at 37.5

36:22

, they were kind of like cool with that I

36:25

think screw face made more on their debut album

36:27

.

36:27

It's possible I'd have to check with the accounting

36:30

on that one . Okay .

36:31

We did . Zap was a minor when we signed

36:33

a contract , so he was only 17

36:36

?

36:36

That's true , he's only 17 again

36:38

.

36:38

My God Indeed , he was only 17 . Yeah

36:40

.

36:42

So there have been subsequent albums to

36:44

Appetite for Destruction . But , as chance would

36:46

have it , there

36:51

are at least three songs that were later featured on the

36:53

User Illusion albums User Illusion 1 and 2

36:55

, that had already been available at

36:57

the time when they were making Appetite

36:59

for Destruction . So , like the first one , don't

37:01

Cry that was the first song

37:04

that they'd ever written . As Guns N' Roses

37:06

and I , with absolute specificity

37:09

, say that because again there was Ellie Guns , there

37:11

was Hollywood Rose , surely they

37:13

had their own songs . Don't Cry

37:15

was the first song ever written by

37:17

Guns N' Roses .

37:19

They said Axl would perform that at the Roxy

37:21

actually the

37:23

keys and everything he would perform . It wasn't

37:25

what we know of Don't Cry as of now , but it was

37:27

pretty spot on .

37:28

Pretty spot on . This surprises me this

37:30

list here .

37:31

Yeah , november Rain . Of course that

37:33

came not long after . Actually , if

37:36

I recall correctly , there was a trilogy

37:38

of songs written . There was Don't Cry November

37:40

Rain and Estranged .

37:42

Is that slower ? Like these two too ? Yeah .

37:44

So November Rain is , for damn sure

37:47

, one of the most expensive music

37:49

videos ever made . It definitely is Uh

37:51

that song was available

37:53

at the time that appetite was coming out , like they had

37:56

that in their repertoire . But sweet

37:58

child , for this hard , hard

38:00

, hard rocking appetite for destruction

38:02

, album producers had said look

38:04

man , you get one slow song , love songs . They called him . I think they

38:06

get one slow song , love songs , they called them , I think . They get

38:08

one and they chose Sweet Child of Mine

38:10

, which , I mean , I think they chose wisely

38:12

.

38:13

Yeah , that's a good one .

38:14

Now they use the term ballad . So

38:16

again the producers are saying you get one

38:18

ballad . I

38:22

would not call Sweet Child of Mine a ballad . You know what I mean

38:24

? Yeah , hawk , help me out here . That's

38:27

not a ballad . It's a slow poppy song . It's

38:29

catchy , but it's not a ballad . It's a slow paced

38:31

rock song , isn't it ? I mean , yeah , you can't slow dance

38:33

to your with your old lady .

38:34

No , no that to me is a ballad , or

38:36

maybe to me , but I

38:38

don't know what definition of a ballad agreed

38:41

.

38:41

But that would be like there's like

38:43

a love reference to it , you know I think that's how

38:45

it was marketed at that time , because that's

38:47

what got the radio play .

38:49

It did get the radio play . That was a good

38:51

song .

38:52

Almost as good as , in my opinion , one

38:55

of the best songs off of the User Illusion

38:57

albums . The third song that was available

38:59

at the time , appetite , came out . You

39:02

Could Be Mine .

39:03

Yeah , that was from Terminator right For damn sure that

39:05

was from Terminator . Again gave

39:07

.

39:07

GNR . A huge boost

39:09

, huge boost . Who are these guys ? I got to get that album

39:11

.

39:12

And you know that this song was available

39:14

at the time , or at least one could conclude

39:16

that you know that

39:18

, because if you had purchased the cassette

39:20

or maybe the CD in the 80s but I'm guessing

39:23

you were only purchasing the cassette , I don't know how far CDs

39:25

went back . I know that when I I purchased

39:27

the cassette and I'm opening up and I'm looking at the liner

39:29

notes , there is a blurb underneath

39:31

the photo of the band , all you know , all five

39:33

of them , and they just look trashed uh

39:36

. And it just reads you know , with your bitch slap

39:38

wrapping in your cocaine tongue , you get nothing

39:40

done . That that's there and I remember

39:42

being a kid and reading that , thinking wow , man

39:44

, how provocative how cool

39:46

is that what's the cocaine tongue ?

39:48

what does that mean ?

39:49

that's insane what's cocaine .

39:51

So that's a line from you could be mine that

39:53

is in fact , that's one of the the

39:55

the lines in every chorus okay

39:58

so that's

40:00

a there's a fun fact , that's a cool fun fact

40:02

that is cool .

40:03

When was spaghetti incident ?

40:05

that was the last one . That was the last one

40:07

with all well , I guess what's his

40:09

name was gone , uh , adler . But okay , yeah , that was the last one before was the last one with all well , I guess what's his name was gone , uh , adler but okay

40:11

, yeah , that was the last one before guns and roses went off the

40:13

rails and , like decades later , chinese democracy

40:16

. Oh , that was a winner

40:18

. So yeah , that was her last one and it was all covers and

40:20

fun fact about that album , they

40:23

recorded that entire album

40:25

separately . At no point

40:27

did the band get together . It even laid just

40:29

the basic tracks . Everything

40:31

was just FedExed back and forth . And it showed Zapp

40:33

, it did it and it showed I

40:36

don't know .

40:36

Did you ever hear any of that stuff from them ? Remember they tried to release

40:39

a single from that album ? It was just horrible

40:41

.

40:41

It was no good , I don't know . There's

40:43

one or two good tracks on there

40:45

Name one one .

40:46

They were just contractually obligated to

40:48

something at that point . To have to do it because

40:51

it it . Yeah , why do a cover album

40:53

? Yeah you have a library of like

40:55

some of the best rock songs ever

40:58

done ever .

40:59

Is that what that was ? A cover album , chinese democracy

41:01

? Yeah , it was all covered .

41:02

Chinese democracy was just axles I'm sorry

41:04

, end project .

41:05

Yeah , spaghetti , I'm sorry , spaghetti incident

41:07

was covers oh , is that what that when

41:09

Civil War's on and all ?

41:11

that no Civil War's on . Use your illusion too , oh okay

41:13

.

41:14

Okay , gotcha Crazy . They have a whole arsenal

41:16

of stuff At

41:18

that time . Any one of these songs , sorry

41:20

Matt .

41:21

Go ahead .

41:21

Could have been put on that . But what do

41:23

you take off , correct ? Where's

41:26

the trade-off ? I could see why they didn't want

41:28

to do don't cry in november . Rain on it , because

41:30

they really didn't want those three instead

41:32

of .

41:33

You said earlier , one slower tune , a

41:35

true ballad on that album was too edgy

41:37

and I don't think the ballads went with the persona

41:39

that they were really trying to push with these guys I

41:41

agree with the black and the jack and

41:43

but I think they knew they had two , two

41:46

huge hits off with those right and

41:48

they were like we can release those whenever next

41:50

and still build on the steam we have

41:52

from Appetite .

41:53

They had to make a name for themselves as a I

41:55

don't give a shit , I am the definition

41:58

of sex , drugs and rock and roll band . They

42:00

had to do that and once they did that , they

42:02

could do whatever they want . Now there was , for the longest

42:04

time , inner

42:07

fighting within the band . Like look , axl

42:09

, we're not here to write operas , we're

42:17

not here to do these huge , incredible pieces of music . We're a five-piece rock

42:19

and roll band . Man , let's put out some hard rock and shit . So that's another reason

42:21

. At least two of those songs got canned or put

42:23

in the back burner for the next album

42:25

. Just , it's too

42:27

much .

42:28

Nobody needed an opus , let alone two opuses

42:30

right , oh pie uh , on

42:32

their first album , mr axel's opus

42:34

mr axel's opus precisely

42:36

, precisely um , oh

42:39

.

42:39

So just one thing I had written down

42:41

here , just because it just the

42:43

way I am , and as I had mentioned earlier

42:45

about the , this album motivating me to start playing

42:47

guitar uh , the , the actual

42:49

sound of slashes guitar from this album , uh

42:52

, didn't come about until the the the album

42:54

was being recorded , so that tells

42:56

me that he's playing through he . He

42:58

had a completely different sound than

43:00

the sound we've all come to know and love as

43:02

slashes guitar . Uh , he'd actually found

43:05

his way to a night for this album . Uh

43:07

, he had found his way to a 1959 gibson

43:09

les paul replica oh , not

43:11

even a real , a replica which

43:13

he himself outfitted with seymour duncan

43:15

pickups , and he played through a marshall

43:17

tube amp that was happened to be sitting around the recording

43:20

studio so what ?

43:21

who made the ? Who made the replica ?

43:23

the guy who made the replica , chris derrick

43:25

. Oh , uh , yeah , uh . Sadly

43:28

he actually died two months before the album was released

43:30

. He was only in his 30s . I forgot .

43:32

He had some kind of aggressive cancer or something so he

43:34

was playing a chris derrick , not a , not

43:36

a gibson at all correct .

43:38

Chris derrick was a luthier and

43:40

luthier luthier luther , luther

43:43

, luther .

43:43

I've seen him at church .

43:44

He wasn't pentecostal he wasn't baptist

43:46

, he was luthier . So as a luthier

43:49

he made guitars , and he made guitars

43:51

that looked like Les Paul . So

43:53

it happens all of the time . Hell , even some of the majors

43:55

are doing it . It's

43:58

a good look , people like that look .

43:59

Yeah , absolutely .

44:00

Didn't Bruning have that black Gibson ? I

44:03

don't know what you're talking about .

44:05

No , he had one , I think yes

44:09

about no , he had one , I think yes , I'm sure he did . Was it a gibson , though ?

44:11

yes , that was a nice guitar , it was a gibson , it was lovely . That's interesting

44:13

. You say that about the guitar , john , because the tone of

44:16

the guitar used that he

44:18

got whatever . However they did it and whatever combination

44:20

, is one of probably the most

44:22

sought after , like wanting to duplicate

44:25

, to be able to , because it's very

44:27

unique what they get out of that . That

44:29

configuration with that tube amp , it's just not

44:31

the same anymore . You can't go . Of course

44:33

you can emulate it and you can get this and that , but at the time

44:35

it's like that Les Paul with

44:37

that half steady , you know , whatever , everybody man

44:40

went for it .

44:41

I'd say probably that guitar tone and then like

44:43

some early Metallica stuff , like master puppets

44:45

that they have off of that so when you record

44:47

an album , no matter who you are , you

44:50

plug your guitars into an amp and then microphones

44:53

to the speaker and that's how you get your sound . They

44:55

don't plug right into like a recording it

44:57

could go either way oh , you can do that , you can you

44:59

can have an amp .

45:00

So let's say , in slash's case , like

45:02

since we're talking about this so slash found

45:05

slash used a makeshift guitar

45:07

that he put in different pickups and

45:10

he used a Marshall tube amp that happened

45:12

to be on site . That's what he played through

45:14

. I mean , I'm sure he had some effects pedals and did whatever

45:16

, but that's what he played through . And at the base

45:18

of that cabinet he there

45:20

was a little mic on the floor and that's what they're

45:22

recording .

45:23

That's how they pick it up . There is interesting .

45:25

There is an other way that you're just playing

45:27

directly into the board . You're just plugging

45:29

right into the board just like our microphones

45:31

are going right into the board .

45:32

Same thing , and then they can use a digital

45:34

thing definitely a modern way of doing it

45:36

yeah with everything that you can , not

45:39

to kill the word , but emulate that sound

45:41

digitally but even

45:43

even now , most recently , I've

45:45

been in the studio in the past few years , even when

45:47

I played the bass .

45:48

Right right .

45:49

So they , even with the bass

45:51

, would run a direct line in

45:53

and go ahead and mic a

45:55

cabinet in a separate room and combine

45:57

the sounds .

45:58

Put them together to get the sound .

45:59

Yeah , to get what they needed out of it . So

46:02

it's usually a combination . It's one or the other , or both

46:04

at the same time .

46:05

But in the 80s , that had

46:07

him like right up to the yeah for sure , rooms

46:10

.

46:10

It's like you , it's a different warmth in the air

46:12

that you get and depending

46:14

on the room and stuff , just just like car stereo

46:16

, I mean you're an audiophile , you know .

46:18

Yeah , yeah , true in certain rooms to perform

46:20

certain ways you know sound can like , depending

46:22

on like . I know there was one rock band I

46:25

think it might have been like creed that

46:27

recorded an album in the bathroom a

46:29

lot of bands I think .

46:30

Yeah , in the 50s that was like big 60s

46:33

. It's natural reverb in the shower , yeah

46:35

outcast .

46:36

That's how andre and them always were rapping and

46:38

tell you in the shower because it was a natural

46:40

reverb that's cool I

46:43

remember seeing that on documentary that was

46:45

cool .

46:46

That's pretty cool . Look what I learned . We should do this podcast

46:48

in the bathtub . See how it comes out . Hell

46:51

yeah , are you looking at me , bum

46:53

?

46:53

That'd be good visual yeah right . Like

46:56

for the fans . That'd be good for YouTube . Yeah , that'd be funny . Somebody

47:01

burst on the toilet Bubbles and stuff On

47:11

the toilet strumming the guitar yeah , because

47:13

of the sound condenser mics back

47:15

yeah , too , there's a whole you know , the

47:17

whole room , which I'd

47:19

like .

47:20

Man , I don't know how they do it now really yeah , I'd

47:22

be curious everything's pro tools ? Yeah

47:24

, everything is so .

47:26

So mixed in now , like you

47:28

, can you ? I mean they did that back in the 40s

47:30

, 50s too , where they cut everything . You just hear one thing

47:32

, but you could adjust everything right there . It's

47:35

not even the real sound coming out anymore

47:37

.

47:37

This isn't our real voices . I mean , let me turn this off

47:39

once . Hold on . Hey guys , what's up

47:41

? Okay , let me put it back on . There we go . Hey , this is

47:43

the best show ever .

47:44

Yeah , yeah , yeah , right . Like

47:48

who are these nerds ?

47:50

You take it all out .

47:51

Yeah , just drop the whole sound board

47:53

. Everybody sounds like Urkel and we suck .

47:55

We're actually Russian . Matt's voice really is not that basic

47:57

. It translates to English Sneaky fucking

47:59

Russians .

48:00

Damn . Oh . One last fun

48:02

fact , really quickly , about this album . You

48:05

know Hawk is not alone

48:07

. This is one of the best

48:09

albums of all time . I think it's actually

48:11

ranked seventh best . This is , globally

48:14

, of all time .

48:15

This is her debut album that's insane , it

48:17

is the best selling debut

48:20

album of all time okay , there you go .

48:22

This debut album of theirs sold

48:24

over 30 million copies

48:27

.

48:27

Damn , 30 million and

48:29

that's up to date . Is it not like the release

48:32

year ? It was some astringent , 17

48:34

times platinum or something . In a year's time

48:36

it went like superstar

48:38

reed donkins .

48:39

Now these guys . I don't know that for a fact , not even , but then

48:41

once once like the germans and like the russians

48:43

, get their hands on stuff like this shit

48:46

goes nuts kazakhstan yeah right

48:48

, yeah , it just played , it dropped

48:50

correct , so maybe be up to 33

48:52

million .

48:53

Yeah it's interesting this uh

48:55

, as , as hawk mentioned , the like

48:57

first year sales and stuff this album actually stalled

49:00

when it first came out yeah , I heard that

49:02

yeah , when it first came out it only sold

49:04

x number of thousand copies and actually gevin

49:06

was ready to just throw in the towel , say , well shit

49:08

, I just lost my money on that one Uh

49:11

. But they kept pushing and pushing and pushing , uh

49:13

like local radio , to play it . Uh

49:16

, I think one of the biggest obviously

49:18

the the biggest one was the release of sweet child

49:20

of mine as their first video uh

49:22

on MTV . Once I got play

49:30

hit , I mean , these guys skyrocketed the their second video , uh , welcome to the jungle . They

49:32

actually had to convince and I mean beg , borrow and steal mtv

49:34

to play that song , like they did not want to play

49:36

it because that song the video was like

49:38

for the time it was a little shocking , it was a little risque

49:41

. You're showing a guy getting off of a tour I'm

49:43

not a tour bus . You're seeing a guy getting off basically a greyhound

49:46

bus and some guy who was actually

49:48

izzy stradlin uh came

49:50

up to him , is trying to sell him drugs and then he's in

49:52

an electric electric chair yeah , I mean that's

49:54

at the time in the 80s . That was

49:56

a scary image . So you know the band slipknot

49:59

you heard of them , of course .

50:00

The guy cory taylor yeah , he , he was

50:02

. Uh , I saw a thing , I watched a documentary

50:04

thing they were talking about this album and he said

50:06

that he remembers like when he was younger

50:08

, him and his friends , headbangers ball was

50:10

on . Yeah and uh , I don't forget if

50:13

it's a two hour , three hour block of videos

50:15

ricky rackman yeah , and they played this

50:17

. Uh , I think it was welcome

50:19

to the jungle at the very end , like

50:21

it was . Like we're early in the morning , you know

50:24

what I mean . But they saved it till the very end

50:26

, I guess , probably because of those things you're talking about

50:28

there . Like we don't want to put this on during the day

50:30

, but after it played a little while the

50:32

reaction was through the roof . People

50:34

were like play that video , play that video .

50:36

I read that too . Yeah , I definitely read that too

50:38

, that's wild and

50:46

like what's that was saying , did you

50:48

say fact ?

50:49

and then it was on the charts for 147 weeks

50:51

, god damn , but with only number

50:53

one , number one single sweet child of mine

50:55

. Yeah , just one number one , single

50:57

so they was sleeping on it but

50:59

that's the thing I mean . You had the people that knew gnr

51:02

that loved them for what ? Like the couple songs they heard on the radio

51:04

. But then the people that hear the album were just like nah , man , that song's

51:06

. That song is good , but you need to hear the rest of this

51:08

. You need to hear that , hell yeah .

51:10

Is that the suffice it to say that without

51:12

MTV , this may have never

51:15

really shifted gears ?

51:16

I agree A hundred percent . I would agree with that

51:18

. I could see that . I remember all three of those videos distinctively

51:21

Like yeah sure

51:24

for them to play paradise yep , yeah

51:26

, oh , I remember those days like they

51:29

would play a rotation and you just knew once

51:31

an hour , so you can see it somewhere until

51:33

they came out with the box .

51:34

Remember that , yeah , you call the box and

51:36

order the video oh my gosh , I remember that the

51:39

box was a tv station .

51:40

Yeah , yeah yeah , yeah

51:42

early 2000s .

51:43

I think late 90s , early 2000s it

51:46

was video on demand , and by

51:48

on demand , you're using the telephone

51:50

, giving them a credit card number and they will play

51:52

a song , your video , play your video when I worked

51:54

at the pizza shop .

51:55

Uh , so this is 95 . Uh

51:58

, I remember us calling to play videos

52:00

and stuff and , uh , while we were working

52:02

, we're there nine , ten hours . So it's like , even

52:04

if you call and it takes two hours to get your video on

52:06

, at least you get to see it .

52:08

I would call Delilah .

52:11

I try to make up stories .

52:13

Hey there , delilah , like my mom's

52:15

real sick and I don't know where my sister's

52:17

at .

52:17

She'd be like oh , Matt , I'm sorry to hear that . Like

52:20

, can we play something ? That's

52:23

funny .

52:25

I think she's still on right . No , maybe .

52:27

Maybe , Is she ? That's awesome

52:29

. She's got to be like 87 . Hey there .

52:31

Delilah , my lady long A couple months

52:33

back and I said , wow , this lady's still on

52:36

.

52:36

But do you think it's the real Delilah , or did they

52:38

switch her up ?

52:39

They might have switched her up Like Buckethead .

52:41

Yeah , how many Bucketheads , hey

52:43

, actually . I

52:47

mean honestly he really is . I

52:50

have to go check it out .

52:51

Look into it .

52:53

So what's 4-4 ?

52:54

Oh yeah . So now , if we would like , we don't

52:56

have to go Again

52:59

. If you haven't already guessed , I'm geeking out

53:01

over this album , just because I love it so damn much

53:03

.

53:03

Well , I like it , but explain that .

53:05

All songs . Every single song on this album

53:07

is the classic 4-4

53:09

. It is is , by far and away it is , the most

53:11

common time signature of

53:14

of all rock songs . So

53:16

it is four , four . So the

53:18

first number is the number

53:20

of beats in a measure the second number

53:22

is the duration

53:25

of the beat , of the , the duration

53:27

of each beat . So in this case , if

53:30

that makes sense , so in this case there are are

53:32

four notes in a measure , and that's the first number

53:35

. Four . The second number indicates

53:37

that they are all quarter notes . So

53:40

it's one , two , three

53:42

, four . One , two , three

53:44

, four versus like a waltz

53:46

, which is a great comparison . It's that is three

53:49

, four . There are three notes in

53:51

a measure , but they're all measured at quarter

53:53

time . So waltz is one two , three

53:55

, one , two , three , one , two , three

53:58

, one , two . But they're all quarter notes , right

54:00

? So first number is the number

54:02

of notes . Second number is the , the

54:04

measure of each note . Again , quarter note

54:06

, half note , whole note , whatever , but in this case it's all quarter

54:08

notes and zap and hocker will be holding music lessons

54:11

here at the basement every tuesdays and thursdays

54:13

at four o'clock there you go

54:16

. So matt had indicated earlier there's a g

54:18

side and an r side of this album and

54:20

the . What ? What's the word ? It's

54:22

the sequencing , the . The sequence of the sequencing

54:25

of these 12 songs was done with absolute

54:28

purpose , the , the first six

54:30

. If you're looking at cassette , the first six on that on

54:32

that first side , on the g side , was

54:34

like the , the , the guns side

54:37

, right that's the drugs and the hard rock

54:39

life and the living in the city kind

54:41

of life . The r

54:43

side , the roses side

54:45

, the flower side , is all those

54:48

songs are about . Now , they're not all lovey-dovey

54:50

songs but they're . Each one of them is about either

54:52

love , sex or relationships I

54:55

didn't even know that you don't even know , I don't even know

54:57

.

54:57

Is there a difference ?

54:59

isn't there so

55:01

like as a , for example and I'll go

55:03

through this as quickly as I can , but anyone , please jump

55:06

in when you're ready . So like , welcome to the jungle

55:08

. Which , as we talked , was their second single off the

55:10

album at at least in the United States . That

55:12

song was inspired by life

55:14

in LA and and just this , this

55:16

hard living Like you're

55:18

in the jungle . In fact , axl had heard

55:20

that phrase from a homeless man

55:23

At one point . He and a buddy his had

55:25

run away from home . They got on a bus and they they took

55:27

the bus to New York , took the bus to New York . These two get off the bus

55:29

and they see this homeless dude , this crazy

55:31

old , cracked out whatever

55:33

, crazy eyed dude . He comes out

55:35

, he says to Axl he's like you know where you

55:37

are ? You in the jungle , baby , you

55:40

gonna die , axl's like

55:42

I love this place . Yeah , that's exactly

55:44

where he got that from . That's

55:53

probably CC DeVille that to him . Yeah , was he from new york ? Cc was absolutely from new

55:55

york . Yep , yeah , uh , second song on the album it's so easy . So , all of again , this is the hard life side

55:57

of the album . This was actually inspired by the band's life

55:59

. Uh , before even their first

56:01

at that ep , before live like a suicide , was

56:04

released . Uh , they had no money . They

56:06

were just living off of groupies and other people

56:08

who loved the band . So for them , it's

56:10

so easy . Like they , all they had to do was

56:13

play money and people would throw their

56:15

vaginas at them , their , their money

56:17

at them , booze , whatever . That's simply

56:20

the the song it was .

56:21

It was so easy they're um , everybody's trying

56:23

to please me , that's right baby

56:26

um did you know that

56:28

?

56:28

uh , there was a video to it's so Easy . That

56:30

came later on .

56:31

I did not .

56:32

Yes , and

56:35

the video featured Aaron Everly , who was Axl's girlfriend From

56:37

Sweet Child O' Mine , which was Sweet Child O' Mine was written about

56:39

and Aaron Everly was whose

56:41

child .

56:42

From the Everly brothers .

56:43

Exactly One of them . Yeah , Yep . So

56:46

actually at the time , David Bowie

56:48

was dating Slash's mom Dang

56:51

and he showed up drunk to the video David Bowie

56:53

did . He was all like hello , actually you know

56:55

what you're doing , Like that , Like he was all

56:57

fucked up . That sounds like Dave Bowie eating a

57:00

pudding pop .

57:00

Right .

57:02

I don't know , I really couldn't . It's like a . I guess that was a

57:04

Cosby Bowie type thing , but

57:07

um , so then he was going over there and I guess he was

57:09

coffee what's that

57:12

oh

57:17

god it's about cosby and the coffee that's

57:20

good but , um , yeah , so he

57:22

he was hitting on , um , he was hitting on

57:24

aaron everly . Uh , david bowie was , and

57:27

I guess uh axel like was kind of seeing

57:29

it while he was trying to do the video because they were over there

57:31

on the side and I guess Bowie was rapping to her . So

57:34

like Axl like threw a fit and came over and started like throwing

57:36

punches at Bowie and they were holding . Axl back

57:38

.

57:39

Yeah , yeah , surprise .

57:40

So , um , yeah , so I guess Axl

57:42

was throwing some blows at Bowie . Bowie was like being Bowie

57:45

, like acting , all cool Like

57:47

these people like you know right because he didn't want to get

57:49

involved right , yeah , don't

57:51

you know who I am . I'm dave bowie yeah , he's like , I'm david

57:53

freaking bowie man fighter like bowie no

57:56

, I don't think bowie was fighting anybody dude axel

57:58

will throw down like he gets nuts , yeah

58:00

, oh I can see there was I .

58:02

Well , there were things like something way

58:04

back when , like he might have thrown a bottle at somebody

58:06

in the , in the crowd , or someone just taking pictures

58:08

.

58:09

Remember he like jumped in the crowd and , yeah , started

58:11

beating the shit out of him .

58:11

Yeah , he got , he gets or at the time he

58:13

got really pissed off about copyright and his

58:15

image and all that shit like yeah if you're

58:17

if you're seeing me , you're gonna pay for it I just

58:20

picture him like like a flannel blur just

58:22

going across the screen , like he's always running around

58:24

on the stage , and he just seems like a wild

58:27

man well , he was when they were actually really good yeah

58:29

.

58:29

Like when they were guns and roses until they

58:31

you know a little older . He's not the same

58:33

axle .

58:34

No , he's 62 now , I think .

58:36

Dear God , this

58:38

is 88 . Yeah , man , I mean

58:40

he's old dude .

58:41

That's true , that's true . Oh

58:43

yeah , so , matt , as you had mentioned , this was in fact

58:46

, that it's so Easy song

58:48

was supposed to be the fourth video off the album and they

58:50

did shoot the video , but the video never aired

58:52

. Yeah , you can find it on YouTube . You

58:54

absolutely can't find it on YouTube , but it was a sick

58:56

. It was a very graphic video , like

58:59

what was the name of that chick , matt Aaron

59:02

Everly , aaron Everly . So she's involved

59:04

with Axl in this video in a lot of BDSM

59:06

, say I'm saying is a masochism

59:09

, bondage , shit like that . So

59:15

that didn't , that didn . Uh , hey , I sound like the rocket queen video yeah be

59:17

too savory , wasn't too savory , uh

59:20

, let's see . Oh , third out , uh , third song night

59:22

train . So for the , this was the fifth actual single

59:24

off this album . This was released as a single

59:26

. I did not know that off . Also

59:28

, I thought night train for the

59:31

longest time was another euphemism

59:33

for heroin drugs .

59:35

That's what I thought too , until I read this

59:37

.

59:37

Indeed , it is not . Night train

59:39

is actually the shortened named for night

59:41

train express , which is a cheap

59:44

fortified wine with a high alcohol

59:46

content and a low price .

59:48

It was a dollar twenty nine a bottle .

59:49

Correct , it's like , it's like bad , are you ?

59:50

Yeah , correct . What was that other low price ? It was a dollar 29 a bottle , correct ? It's like ?

59:52

it's like mad dog , are you ? Yeah ?

59:56

for loco .

59:56

Yeah , very similar . Yeah , yeah , but uh

59:58

crabby um thunderbird

1:00:00

, thunderbird they

1:00:04

had an interview with uh duff mckagan and he

1:00:06

was talking about , um , the way

1:00:08

they they would pound this shit

1:00:11

. This was the stuff that they did like before every show

1:00:13

, every concert . That whole song is like

1:00:15

spot on of like . If you listen to it now

1:00:17

, you know like exactly what they're going through . Yep

1:00:19

, but um , he said , everyone loves a job

1:00:21

done on a budget . So that's

1:00:23

what he's saying about g and r , sure so they

1:00:25

would get so effed up on this stuff and they

1:00:28

just loved it . I wonder if that's still around

1:00:30

.

1:00:30

I'm gonna have to look that up I wonder we should

1:00:32

get some night train for the odb have

1:00:35

some hot now , md , still some hot now

1:00:37

it's relabeled his mogan david 20

1:00:40

.

1:00:40

Yes , it is mogan david it is .

1:00:42

It's all fancied up wait , what is ?

1:00:44

mad dog 22 I think , oh my god

1:00:46

, I don't know if you , uh , I've just seen it

1:00:48

in the past month or two at the liquor store

1:00:50

. I think well , how do you say this ? Kelly

1:00:53

B ? I don't know how you would say her name .

1:00:54

You can say Kelly B .

1:00:55

Yeah , kelly B like ran into her a while and she

1:00:57

was the one that actually told me that she's like do you know that Mad Dog was

1:00:59

like Mogan David actually , and I was like I did not

1:01:01

.

1:01:09

I did not know that crazy husband , her husband slangs the bottles

1:01:11

Slangs . Fourth

1:01:15

song off the album Out to Get Me . Couldn't

1:01:17

care less . I mean , it's a fun . I

1:01:19

don't want to say it's a throwaway song , but it's a throwaway

1:01:21

song .

1:01:21

It's alright .

1:01:24

I don't feel like the band wrote it , I just , I'm

1:01:27

just not . You're saying somebody from like one

1:01:29

, somebody wrote it and it's like here do this

1:01:31

one and he's like oh , I put some lyrics

1:01:33

to I don't know , but just didn't

1:01:36

have the same panache the rest

1:01:38

of them did .

1:01:38

Agreed .

1:01:39

It was like a filler , agreed .

1:01:41

What did ? Oh , actually something on that Like it being

1:01:43

a filler . They

1:01:52

said it was a very delinquent child and he would always say everybody's out

1:01:54

to get me and you know he's gonna end up in jail

1:01:56

if he didn't move by the time he's 18 . So he said he kind of

1:01:58

scribbled that song down real quick and makes

1:02:01

sense , interesting , it's .

1:02:02

So what is their fifth song on this album

1:02:04

, mr brownstone ? This is the one that is about

1:02:07

heroin , for sure , uh , yeah , uh , in

1:02:09

fact , I know we were talking about this earlier

1:02:11

, but for sake of everyone else who wasn't in

1:02:13

the driveway as we were talking about it , this

1:02:15

song was written , uh , almost

1:02:17

exclusively , but certainly primarily , by

1:02:19

slash and uh izzy stradlin

1:02:22

, as they were writing about their addiction . Like these two were just

1:02:24

sitting around complaining about being

1:02:26

addicted to heroin . Uh , this was the first song they wrote after having been signed to gevin

1:02:28

. Uh , actually , uh , slash and izzy wrote this that they composed the music and then they , uh

1:02:30

they wrote after having been signed to gevin . Uh , actually , uh , slash

1:02:32

and izzy wrote this that they composed the music

1:02:34

and then they , uh they wrote the lyrics , uh

1:02:37

, actually , on the back of a brown paper bag that's

1:02:40

phenomenal and just handed it .

1:02:41

Oh my god so riff all of it dude

1:02:43

.

1:02:43

It's a great song look , I can tell you the

1:02:45

ending of that song too it's great

1:02:48

dude when this when I started

1:02:50

playing guitar and I bought that tablature book

1:02:53

, this was my first song . This was

1:02:55

my go-to song . Not even sweet child of mine . I

1:02:57

wanted to . This is of any song

1:02:59

, I'm sorry , of any song on this

1:03:01

album . Yeah , the

1:03:03

the verses to this are just

1:03:06

so dark and the the guitar

1:03:08

mastery on it just sounds so good

1:03:10

like it . It sounds like I'm watching a horror story . It's

1:03:13

just awesome .

1:03:14

It's a really good song .

1:03:15

Love the verses to this , the music behind the

1:03:17

verses . Leave it all behind man .

1:03:18

This might be my second favorite song on

1:03:20

this album . Oh

1:03:22

, okay , I have another favorite .

1:03:24

We say Brownstone is your favorite .

1:03:25

Second favorite . I have another one for another reason .

1:03:37

We passed my favorite song on this album , so which was ? Which was night train ?

1:03:39

night train is your favorite okay , I don't know , I see I like again . I like this song for the verses , but I could not care less about

1:03:41

the choruses .

1:03:41

We could pick favorites . We can , we can , yeah . Next

1:03:44

song on the album , paradise city uh

1:03:46

this was their third single in video in the us uh

1:03:49

was written by excellent slash . Well , they were actually on their

1:03:51

way back from a show with the rest of the band

1:03:53

. Slash was humming his melody

1:03:55

and Axl just sang along take me down

1:03:58

to the paradise city . And then

1:04:00

slash , just as soon as he heard that

1:04:02

. Like somebody . This happens to us all the time

1:04:04

. Right , somebody says something , then you try to chime in with something

1:04:06

that rhymes . So as they're going and clicking

1:04:08

along with the song , axl says

1:04:10

whatever he says , and then he I'm sorry , axl says

1:04:12

take me down to paradise city . And slash comes in

1:04:14

. He says where the grass is green and girls are pretty and

1:04:17

that that just stuck . But after slash

1:04:19

had also made an attempt at saying

1:04:22

something , and

1:04:31

I'm 48 years old .

1:04:32

Yeah , and that's probably what I would have came up with . I'd still

1:04:34

come up with that , yeah , right .

1:04:36

We don't change 10 to 48 , we're still pretty

1:04:38

much all the same .

1:04:39

It's all the same . So Slash had actually said that

1:04:41

he did , in fact , like we would

1:04:43

have done as well . And

1:04:52

so the band said no iteration , nice , where the grass is green stuff . So he gives him

1:04:54

radio play . Then , yeah , yeah , all right side r first song on the second side , my michelle

1:04:57

good song . This was uh written about , actually

1:04:59

a friend of the band , michelle song , uh

1:05:02

, michelle song , uh , michelle young . Uh

1:05:05

was the chick's name . Yeah , no , I'm

1:05:07

wrong . I'm wrong . I'm wrong , I'm wrong when I said , mr

1:05:09

brownstone , I like the verses . No , I like the choruses

1:05:11

. My michelle is the one I like the verses .

1:05:13

Yeah , daddy works in porno .

1:05:15

Yeah , that's the dark .

1:05:16

That's the dark , that mommy's not around yeah

1:05:18

.

1:05:19

So this is my favorite song , yeah .

1:05:20

Yeah .

1:05:27

I my song like for you mom , and she thought it was gonna

1:05:29

be some sweet song . We started

1:05:31

playing daddy works in porno

1:05:33

. Now that mommy's not . And she's like why

1:05:35

would you play ? It's just like an ongoing

1:05:37

joke for years , you know . That's like

1:05:39

she's my michelle and this is your song this

1:05:41

is your song , not my , michelle

1:05:43

you should have played that .

1:05:44

You should have played that at your wedding .

1:05:46

It would have been our song , would have been great , but luckily

1:05:48

for her her life didn't go this way

1:05:50

as far as her dad works in porno and all that

1:05:53

, but yeah this chick was really appreciative

1:05:55

of this song .

1:05:57

Surprisingly , because at one point early on

1:05:59

she had said to the to the band like , oh man , I wish

1:06:01

somebody would write a song about me because , I mean , any

1:06:03

chick would love that .

1:06:04

That's cool right yeah , this hotel wasn't free

1:06:06

man right .

1:06:06

So axl writes this song that's just brutally

1:06:09

honest about this chick's upbringing . She was addicted

1:06:11

to heroin , her mom had

1:06:13

died and then her dad got into the porno

1:06:16

industry , for Christ's sake , and so he puts that

1:06:18

in the song and he's like look man , you

1:06:20

wanted a song , here it is . It's about you , and she

1:06:22

actually appreciated that .

1:06:23

She likes it Like , hey , thanks for the honesty . She

1:06:26

used to love her heroin . Now she's underground

1:06:28

, that's awesome .

1:06:29

Yeah , it's quality

1:06:32

.

1:06:32

It is a great song , my Michelle is a good song .

1:06:33

All kidding aside , I do like this song .

1:06:36

That's one of the top five . This is the one for the verses , not

1:06:38

Mr Brownson . This one I love Again

1:06:41

, the musical . The music behind the verse is so

1:06:43

good yeah it is good . Think

1:06:45

About you , second song on the second side . This

1:06:53

, to me , is a throwaway song .

1:06:54

No , I , I , I don't agree . Okay , it's , look , go ahead , this open forum here . No , um , yeah , because when we were

1:06:56

up , uh , I think out in the , out in the driveway , which

1:06:58

we're gonna have the driveway tapes coming out in like 10

1:07:00

years , they're gonna they're out there somewhere pre-show

1:07:02

. Yeah , you guys , you guys will find out about that my

1:07:05

ring doorbell . The microphone's not that

1:07:07

good no , but uh

1:07:09

listen yeah , whatever you want listening

1:07:11

to this album , think about you is one of the ones I turn up

1:07:14

. I just , I just I dig the beginning now could

1:07:16

you hum the just because I can remember

1:07:18

this song what is I think ?

1:07:19

about you all the time

1:07:21

, my heart said yes , my

1:07:23

music was deep inside

1:07:26

, I love you best .

1:07:27

I don't know , it's play the beginnings

1:07:29

app . Nope , that's it .

1:07:31

That's it , yeah , that's pretty much it it's , I

1:07:33

think about you .

1:07:34

Yes , I do , yeah

1:07:37

, I have to hear it , I think about you .

1:07:39

Only you . I do Wow

1:07:41

, Dave , you definitely need to hear it the right

1:07:44

way Only you .

1:07:45

I mean the right way . I think about you .

1:07:53

I don you , I don't know it's a good song , dude , yeah good and terrible . Oh , you guys , you guys are wrong

1:07:55

all right , well , so think about what's better . Uh , you're crazy

1:07:58

, or think about you you're crazy , oh

1:08:00

yeah , oh yeah , you

1:08:02

have it right here , you know ? Yeah , you're not even there yet

1:08:04

.

1:08:04

Yeah , but I'm just saying what on this

1:08:06

side ? What would be a better song ?

1:08:08

you're crazy you're crazy I'm

1:08:10

saying you're crazy . No , I'm saying you're .

1:08:12

Then think about I'm saying you're crazy for thinking

1:08:14

you're crazy is a better song well

1:08:17

, we're gonna agree to disagree .

1:08:18

Yeah , go ahead . No hawk's here

1:08:21

now .

1:08:21

The lies version is very good I was

1:08:23

about to say the acoustic yeah crazy

1:08:25

phenomenal the g and r lies the acoustic

1:08:27

is good .

1:08:29

Yes , I'll give you that they didn .

1:08:31

I wonder why they didn't make an acoustic version of Think About

1:08:33

you . Is it because they hated the goddamn

1:08:35

song ?

1:08:36

You set that up nicely for yourself .

1:08:38

Yeah , it was . I think

1:08:40

it's a decent song .

1:08:40

They were waiting for Matt to cover it .

1:08:44

So , matt , in your defense , so Think About you was written

1:08:46

primarily by Izzy Stradlin , right yeah

1:08:48

?

1:08:48

he plays lead . You have that there .

1:08:52

I see that now he does it now izzy stradlin , his background , his love

1:08:54

, his , if he goes , and he's going

1:08:56

to listen to music . He's going to listen to like

1:08:58

rockabilly stuff . He's going to listen

1:09:01

to almost punk type

1:09:03

stuff that like that's just what he's into

1:09:05

. Slash is going to go back and listen to

1:09:07

aerosmith rock's album well , no

1:09:09

slash .

1:09:10

slash is very bluesy Slash

1:09:12

this whole album is like blues

1:09:14

, gritty rock , Throwing out the examples

1:09:17

. Needless to say , I'm saying you

1:09:19

guys said you hated this song . I thought it was a pretty cool

1:09:22

song . I hate this goddamn song .

1:09:23

I don't even know the song , I

1:09:26

don't even fucking know what you're talking about .

1:09:28

I'm impartial .

1:09:36

Listen to the album favorites . I have the . Yeah , it would definitely rank at the bottom

1:09:38

of the album of the 12 yes , no , this is the judas of the 12 apostles on this .

1:09:40

Okay , I get , I get the judas . I'll take that , but I I'm . I'm just saying

1:09:42

here you guys , I , we're agreeing to disagree

1:09:45

. That's why I have a podcast , something you talk about that's

1:09:47

right , I want to get some listener go

1:09:50

on this .

1:09:50

Tell us your favorite songs .

1:09:52

Yes , please , yeah , man Look Chocolate

1:09:54

, vanilla Strawberry .

1:09:55

I'm not saying it's my favorite song on the album . I'm

1:09:57

saying it's a song that I enjoy . You like it , I

1:09:59

like the song . Yeah , I mean , I don't

1:10:01

hate any songs on this album .

1:10:13

There's a couple songs that I think are maybe maybe a year or two ago , because I never listened

1:10:15

to it the whole way through , but we're gonna get to it , oh yeah , we're gonna get

1:10:18

to it .

1:10:18

So let's , let's get to it . Man , we're dragging this on . So

1:10:20

third song , second side , sweet child

1:10:22

of mine , everybody knows this goddamn song . Everybody

1:10:24

in the world knows this song . Epic perfection

1:10:27

it was . It was something special , and the fact that

1:10:29

it all started out with just a finger exercise , just

1:10:31

a warm-up you know , it's like a , it's

1:10:34

a three-chord song it is , it

1:10:36

really is slash slash

1:10:38

hates this song .

1:10:39

He does . Slash hates the song . He thinks it sucks

1:10:41

, he does .

1:10:42

I agree with slash oh

1:10:44

, fun fact , the breakdown at the end was

1:10:46

actually a suggested edition by a music

1:10:48

producer who'd been a part of the demo recording

1:10:51

sessions , and that what

1:10:53

we've all come to know and have heard

1:10:55

thousands of times that where do we go ? Where do we go

1:10:57

now ? That was actually just axel

1:10:59

not knowing what kind of lyrics

1:11:02

he was going to put in there , so he just recorded

1:11:04

him like , where do we go now ? that's right , yeah

1:11:06

, so what are we gonna do next ? What's part of this breakdown

1:11:08

that you want ? What's part of this , whatever ? And

1:11:10

they , the guy , said you know , why don't you sing that ?

1:11:12

and so he did . That's a cool fact . Yeah

1:11:15

, I heard a similar thing with . That was system of

1:11:17

a down that rick rubin had them do that in

1:11:19

. Uh , that they're one of their big hits . He

1:11:22

, he said , go grab a book off that shelf and he

1:11:24

opened it , just opened it to a page and he had

1:11:26

him read uh , father , why have

1:11:28

I forsaken me ? And all that .

1:11:30

You know that oh yes , it's a true story , man

1:11:32

. Yeah , I did not know .

1:11:33

Chop suey song chop suey , that's what it was

1:11:35

, yes , so it's amazing

1:11:38

what comes out of that .

1:11:38

I mean . So that's what that's from the bible , right

1:11:41

?

1:11:41

that's jesus I don't know if it was from a

1:11:43

bible or . Rick rubin is amazing

1:11:45

.

1:11:45

He's the man rick rubin is incredible . He's

1:11:47

, he's like such . His producing level

1:11:49

is above and beyond talk about versatility

1:11:52

we should do a whole podcast about

1:11:54

him . I would , because we could cover so many

1:11:56

different things .

1:11:57

Wait a second . That is from the bible , because jesus

1:11:59

says aloe , aloe , lama sabachthani

1:12:02

father into your hands .

1:12:03

I know , or that's

1:12:05

my spirit .

1:12:05

It's why have you forsaken that's

1:12:08

right , it's my god my god , why have you forsaken

1:12:10

me ?

1:12:10

isn't that on the cross , yes , yeah

1:12:12

as he is dying ps . Welcome

1:12:15

back from the dead , jesus .

1:12:17

Yeah he's up and adam .

1:12:18

We just celebrated good

1:12:21

to see you , jesus . Fourth song

1:12:23

, second side . You're crazy , uh

1:12:27

. This is a quick , simple and easy one . Lyrics

1:12:29

were done by axl just his experience in volatile

1:12:31

relationships . However , apparently

1:12:34

Metallica , stone , temple

1:12:36

Pilots and Seether like this

1:12:38

song better than Think About you , because

1:12:40

all of those bands have covered

1:12:43

this song , live in varying performances , because

1:12:45

it's so simple , just stupid

1:12:47

.

1:12:48

Metallica shredded it . I've heard that version of

1:12:50

it .

1:12:51

I have to check that out .

1:12:52

I've got to look that up they

1:12:54

went back to their straight leg so

1:12:56

you think anything goes is better than think about you I

1:12:59

think anything on this album is better than think about

1:13:01

you .

1:13:01

Anything goes tonight oh

1:13:04

, uh .

1:13:05

So in fact anything goes second to last song

1:13:07

on the second side that was kind of my intro

1:13:09

.

1:13:09

I like what you did there .

1:13:10

I like your style , I like your moves . That was a good

1:13:12

transition . This was written back in

1:13:15

the Hollywood Rose days . It was just never

1:13:17

released . Whatever , the lyrics reflect

1:13:19

the lifestyle of the band and the whores

1:13:21

who were hanging with the band

1:13:23

at the time . In fact , to

1:13:26

encapsulate and to try to

1:13:29

capture that moment , uh , in one of

1:13:31

the last choruses of , I should say

1:13:33

, the last chorus of this song , as it's just

1:13:35

repeating and repeating , there's actually a sound effect

1:13:37

uh slash makes with his guitar . it's

1:13:39

meant to mimic the sound of a , of

1:13:42

a camera taking like snapshots yeah

1:13:44

, and it's like you hear the the real move

1:13:46

and the click and the real as much .

1:13:48

Much like the randoran girls on film . Girls on Film

1:13:50

yeah , like that thing . There you go , damn

1:13:52

.

1:13:53

And finally , the sixth and last

1:13:55

song on the second side and my personal

1:13:58

overall favorite song

1:14:00

on this album .

1:14:02

Rocket Queen . This is the one that I

1:14:04

never listened to until a couple

1:14:06

years ago and I'm like what the hell ? I didn't know , it switched

1:14:08

.

1:14:08

Yeah , great bass line in this too .

1:14:09

Layers man . Yeah

1:14:12

, hell , I didn't know it switched . Yeah , great baseline in this

1:14:14

. Two layers , man . Yeah , they did a lot . They did that , that cut and layer

1:14:17

a lot with this album , but that one in particular is dramatic .

1:14:18

It's awesome song yeah , I mean

1:14:20

, it really is an incredible song . And we

1:14:22

mentioned her earlier , that woman

1:14:24

named adriana smith , uh

1:14:26

, who was a guns and roses groupie and a stripper

1:14:28

at the time . Uh , she'd been uh in

1:14:31

a relative , uh somewhat of a relationship

1:14:33

with Steven Adler , the drummer , for about a year , but

1:14:36

Adler would never admit that they were

1:14:38

BFGF , he would never

1:14:40

say that she's my girlfriend . So that's

1:14:42

going to wear on her for a bit . So one day

1:14:44

, while at the mixing sessions

1:14:46

for this album , axl knowing

1:14:48

this , he was free

1:14:50

and clear . Adler , it's not his girlfriend , it's just

1:14:52

some chick that's hanging out with him . So Axl says

1:14:55

to her you know , hey , you know , why don't we just go

1:14:57

have sex in the vocal booth so we can put

1:14:59

these sounds down ? You know , just

1:15:01

to have it , we'll put it with the song . She

1:15:03

said , sure , I'll do it for a bottle of Jack Daniels

1:15:05

. And so these two

1:15:07

banged in the vocal

1:15:10

box for about a half hour

1:15:12

.

1:15:12

It's basically audio porn they had going

1:15:14

on .

1:15:14

Did she get royalties , I wonder .

1:15:17

No , she did it for a bottle of Jack Daniels , that was

1:15:19

all , but that was verbal .

1:15:20

I wonder if she can go back on them Like

1:15:22

hey , I'm on the album .

1:15:24

They could just as easily say we recorded somebody

1:15:26

else .

1:15:26

Yeah , true , I guess you can't prove it to you . Nope , I guess you can't

1:15:28

prove it to you .

1:15:29

Nope , they said that , I guess Adler . After one of the

1:15:31

shows some girl came up . He was like making out with her

1:15:33

and I guess this girl saw it .

1:15:36

And that's why she came out .

1:15:36

Yeah , and she was kind of like man , what the fuck ? So I guess , yeah , axl

1:15:39

, like she came on to Axl , axl was like I'm cool with it

1:15:41

.

1:15:52

So that second part of that is a big Motown . He was big in the soul music but for some reason I never

1:15:54

really knew why , like why he loved Guns N' Roses so much and Axl Rose . But he , axl

1:15:56

Rose , is a soulful singer . I think

1:15:58

he has a lot of soul in his . If

1:16:01

you listen to him sing like on , this song in particular

1:16:03

, is one where I really heard it and I never

1:16:05

really heard that part of this song until until , like

1:16:07

I said , a few years ago , I could

1:16:09

see why my dad likes Guns

1:16:12

N' Roses and Axl Rose in particular . He

1:16:14

has soul in his voice , sure , and in this song

1:16:16

. I really like this song , especially

1:16:19

the second half .

1:16:20

Yeah .

1:16:20

Because of that , where it breaks

1:16:22

down and he starts singing .

1:16:23

Yep .

1:16:24

At that part I can see why my

1:16:27

dad really likes Guns N' Roses

1:16:29

. Or did like Guns N' Roses , or did like . Guns N' Roses you know he's since passed

1:16:31

, but I mean that's again .

1:16:33

In my opinion , that's their masterpiece

1:16:35

for this album . It is the by

1:16:37

far and away the greatest song . My

1:16:40

own opinion right so did we go through

1:16:42

everybody's favorite songs on the album well

1:16:44

, I know I said mine was my Michelle .

1:16:46

Just cause of that , you know what I mean with

1:16:48

my wife and all that yeah , so that's my

1:16:50

wife's name . You have to say that a goofy

1:16:52

reason , but like , yeah , just , but I do

1:16:54

like the song . I would say , mr

1:16:56

Brownstone , rocket , queen and my

1:16:58

Michelle are probably my three favorites , that's where

1:17:00

I'm at , oh how about you Hawk

1:17:02

?

1:17:03

Hawk D no go .

1:17:04

Hawk Brownstone um

1:17:06

the intro track of , you

1:17:09

know , welcome to the Jungle on Rocket

1:17:11

Queen .

1:17:12

I'll go with . Nice Good ones , matt

1:17:15

, what you got .

1:17:16

I'd say what Night Train , rocket Queen

1:17:18

and what

1:17:21

would be my third Brownstone probably

1:17:23

.

1:17:23

Brownstone , Nice and

1:17:25

Zapp . You said this is your favorite Rocket

1:17:28

Queen , but do you have other ones that are close ?

1:17:30

Yeah , just overall . The overall song

1:17:32

by far and away is rocket queen . From a verse

1:17:34

perspective , it's my michelle .

1:17:36

From a chorus perspective , it's mr brownstone

1:17:38

gotcha yeah so we're almost

1:17:40

all on the same page for the most part

1:17:42

, with ones that are like , stand

1:17:45

out , but I guess , like , uh , welcome to the jungle

1:17:47

has been played , so much that right , it burns

1:17:49

on you some of those songs yeah , and I totally

1:17:51

understand .

1:17:52

But from a perspective of when

1:17:54

that opening riff starts and

1:17:56

then that build up and an actual scream over

1:17:59

the top , oh , that's insane . Kick straight down

1:18:01

. That's where the album starts

1:18:03

. And it does not stop punching in the face

1:18:05

until you know bitch

1:18:07

slapped in the face punch to the face

1:18:09

punch to the face , I'll drive to the face uh even to

1:18:12

the face . Pile , drive to the face , even out to get me pushes

1:18:14

is not my favorite , but that whole first G

1:18:16

side just goes , man .

1:18:18

Yeah , it does , it really drives , bro

1:18:20

, it really drives .

1:18:21

And this was at a time , too , where we had tapes and you

1:18:23

weren't . You know how it was hard to maybe fast

1:18:26

forward . You didn't even have to with this tape

1:18:28

.

1:18:28

It was you just played it and it was

1:18:30

.

1:18:30

It was fun to listen to at the time . It still is . Yeah

1:18:32

, until you get to think about you yeah

1:18:35

I'm kidding , zap , you're crazy nice

1:18:38

.

1:18:38

Well played , sir . Well played , touche

1:18:40

, all right . Well , that's all I got on this

1:18:43

and I I apologize . I'm sorry if I

1:18:45

bogarted this too much , but this

1:18:47

is just such a killer fucking album

1:18:49

, man . It's just so awesome .

1:18:50

I can't stop talking about it well , no , no , you guys definitely

1:18:52

know music , this type of music , definitely

1:18:55

better than me . Like I don't know , like you just talking about

1:18:57

the four , four , signature or whatever . I'm not

1:18:59

a musician , I'm not going to know that or whatever . So

1:19:01

I mean hearing

1:19:06

that part or just knowing the . That one has a theme and

1:19:08

the other one I never knew that , but now

1:19:10

I will look for that when I'm listening and stuff

1:19:13

. So , Hockey , you picked this one because

1:19:15

this is one , would you say , out of the 80s , like

1:19:17

the most important rock album of the 80s .

1:19:19

I mean that's a debate up to everybody's

1:19:21

personal opinions and whatnot . I would

1:19:23

say , yeah , it was a vital . It was a

1:19:26

transitional time from the hair

1:19:28

band to a little edgier . What

1:19:34

they did musically wasn't any different of a recipe than anybody else was doing , but for some

1:19:36

reason it was edgier and it just worked . It was

1:19:38

4-4 , like John explained , it's

1:19:40

rhythm and blues-based music and

1:19:43

yeah , it was just like a modern take

1:19:45

on that . I mean , most rock is . That's

1:19:48

a whole different discussion , man . That'd be like

1:19:50

two days worth of podcasting to discuss that we

1:19:53

have time .

1:19:53

If you want , we got coffee but

1:19:56

yeah , it's to me very important

1:19:58

yeah , there's a whole genre of

1:20:00

rock I think we talked about a long time ago . It's

1:20:03

called math rock . You ever hear of a

1:20:05

band , meshuggah ?

1:20:07

Meshuggah .

1:20:08

I've heard of a lot of math rock like John

1:20:10

and Tiffany and stuff well , Meshuggah is from like Sweden of a lot of math rock like

1:20:12

Chon and Tiffany and stuff .

1:20:12

Well , meshuggah's from Sweden or something and

1:20:14

they're one of the bigger

1:20:16

math rock bands . They're a heavier band their drummer's

1:20:19

pretty sick . But

1:20:21

they talk about their time signatures

1:20:23

. If you listen to it it sounds like it's off

1:20:26

almost , but that makes sense .

1:20:28

Rush is notorious for that progressive rock , even the Alice in Chains . How's that makes

1:20:30

?

1:20:30

sense if that rush is notorious for that progressive rock .

1:20:32

Uh , even the allison chains , yep

1:20:34

, yep oh yeah , tool , yeah , I guess

1:20:36

grunge is big on a three , four transition

1:20:38

math rocks are like that six , eight

1:20:40

crazy signatures where they jump back and

1:20:42

forth yeah , do you guys ever hear animals

1:20:45

as leaders ? No , who's

1:20:47

the ?

1:20:47

time signatures on those are not me band .

1:20:49

Who's mike portman ? Um fucking dream theater . Dream

1:20:51

theater , oh my god so good man .

1:20:52

Yeah , that's , they're signature on those . The Portney band , who's Mike Portney ? Dream Theater

1:20:54

, dream Theater , oh my God , so good man .

1:20:55

Yeah , they're big on that Musically phenomenal you can start to

1:20:57

hear it and what you're saying is when you

1:20:59

hear it , you're like ah , it just sounds odd .

1:21:00

It sounds off Because it is Right .

1:21:05

Once you learn to look for it how it comes , because

1:21:07

it's so freaking tight .

1:21:09

Their drummer of Meshuggah plays like

1:21:12

down at his feet he's playing one rhythm

1:21:15

and up here he's playing another rhythm .

1:21:17

Your mind . I don't know how he's even doing

1:21:19

it Even with double bass . Just a

1:21:21

I don't know , but he does some weird

1:21:23

shit .

1:21:25

Those are players' favorites , the average

1:21:28

music fan . I

1:21:31

just can't know . It's too much .

1:21:32

I can't find the melody it messes up my toe

1:21:35

tapping .

1:21:35

It messes up my head bobbing the

1:21:38

4-4 toe tap does not , does not

1:21:40

coincide with with the 6-8-4

1:21:42

, whatever I start

1:21:45

thinking you're having a stroke or something .

1:21:46

Christ , did I miss one ?

1:21:47

something's not right , yeah , but yeah

1:21:50

, man , I definitely dig this album . I have

1:21:52

it in my own personal collection , but you know

1:21:54

that because I don't have a lot of stuff like that

1:21:56

, but this is one album that I've grown to love over the years

1:21:58

. So , um , I was really excited to hear

1:22:00

about it .

1:22:01

And here you guys take on it well , thank

1:22:03

you , hawk , for bringing this to us .

1:22:05

Yes , thank you , hawk appreciate it man this was fun

1:22:07

um , no , thank you guys

1:22:09

for allowing me to join in the

1:22:11

discussion . Awesome , wouldn't have had it any other

1:22:13

way .

1:22:13

For sure , yeah , and Hawk's going to hang out , I think , for a vintage

1:22:16

cinema review , if we're lucky .

1:22:17

If we're lucky , if we're lucky If we're lucky .

1:22:20

So do you guys have anything in closing on this ?

1:22:22

one .

1:22:22

No , we beat the shit out of this one we're going to get

1:22:24

ready to break the ice here

1:22:26

is standing still .

1:22:29

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