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On today's show Monarchy and the Uk

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and we ever going to have a

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proper conversation about these sorts of winding

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down, the royals were very effectively squashed,

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and between the death of the Queen

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and the Coronation The King book, considering

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the nightmare year that the royal family

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is having, is it time to set

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them and those free from this endless

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soap opera and are boomers going bust

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the. Generation Born between the end of the

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Wall and Nineteen Sixty Four are finally starting

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to feel the economic pinch with higher taxes,

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shrinking benefits and what looks like a great

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generational shift towards the interests of millennials, What's

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it going to do to our politics and

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what's going to do for the likes of

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me and Generation X here to help me

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with these way to issues of the two

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of our regulars? Yes means there is a

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staff writer at Time Magazine and officially a

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Millennial, so she will be in charge soon.

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Hello Yes Ma'am Pillow, So it's been even

1:05

grimmer news unusual from. The Israel Gaza

1:07

Crisis over the past couple of days

1:09

With the killing of seven World Central

1:12

Kitchen aid workers by and Israeli airstrike

1:14

on the same weekend, tens of thousands

1:16

of Israelis demonstrated to demand the removal

1:19

of Netanyahu. I mean it's almost impossible

1:21

to pull out any direction from all.

1:23

This bill is a any sign of

1:25

an end to this horrible. Episode:

1:28

It's very difficult to see any

1:30

bit of light amid kind of

1:32

the very grim darkness starting with

1:34

The World Central Kitchen An incidence

1:36

Me: we're seeing an unprecedented death

1:38

toll of aid workers in Gaza.

1:40

The last count I saw as

1:42

more than two hundred. I think

1:44

the exact count as two hundred

1:46

and three as of this recording.

1:48

I'm aid workers. The vast majority

1:50

of them Palestinian have been killed

1:52

in Gaza since October Seventh, so

1:54

they were all. Already.

1:56

Under immense burden and amidst the

1:59

of him. Danger Doing their job

2:01

at a time where you know we have

2:03

to remember does as on the brink a

2:05

salmon and the World Central Kitchen It actually

2:08

was providing a thing Sixty percent of the

2:10

food aid into Gaza at the Senate This

2:12

incident occurred so that's just been. You.

2:15

Completely horrible, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

2:17

is already acknowledged that Tidy As has

2:19

claimed responsibility for the airstrike. They're saying

2:21

they're doing an investigation by anything more

2:23

than just an investigation that I feel

2:25

like I've heard of many of the

2:27

seasons on going into incidents that have

2:29

happened over the course of this war.

2:31

we need to see an actual shift

2:34

in action and actual way. For.

2:36

A to be distributed safely for those

2:38

to be doing that work to do

2:40

so safely. So that's you know, the

2:42

first thing that I'm at with regard

2:45

to the protests. I mean it. It

2:47

seems to me that it's really it's

2:49

kind of showing that that wartime unity

2:51

that we seen since October Seventh is

2:53

starting to fracture. Now, Whether that leads

2:55

to Edo Netanyahu's imminent al ser. I

2:57

don't necessarily think so. I think for

3:00

it's Israeli public. The hostages. The Israeli.

3:02

The remaining Israeli hostages remaining does. It's

3:04

a huge issue, and. And they

3:06

are can say is still being subjects and

3:08

negotiations. He some. When

3:11

hostage steel comes to pass I think then that's

3:13

kind of be the moment where we're going to

3:15

see. Whether something happens

3:17

that in, I wrote a piece last week

3:19

about your why Netanyahu's ouster isn't necessarily a

3:21

panacea and their number of, but the reality

3:24

is that the next Israeli election as a

3:26

deal until October Twenty twenty six. Now.

3:28

We know that Israel is an adverse to

3:30

having of early elections. If you remember that

3:33

time they have a good five and or

3:35

over the over the course of a couple

3:37

of years. I'm a there would have to

3:39

be number of factors to force one. One

3:41

would be the fall over the breakdown of

3:43

the current coalition, but the other would be

3:45

as one expert told me to see mass

3:48

protests of the like that we saw before

3:50

October Seventh last year with the Judicial Overhaul

3:52

protests. I think this purchases an indication that.

3:54

That. Could happen, but I think we're gonna see a

3:56

lot more that before it forces any kind of change.

3:59

Also witnesses. Rafael birth Guardian columnist

4:01

and a selection actually in his blood

4:03

t shirt as Missouri she trousers on

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Eros are you doing? I'm dumb repudiating

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the trolls allegation ball say something similar

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over Oasis in Up. It's a cool

4:11

head to head any days a week.

4:14

The. Correct answers of course Pope I am

4:16

full news of the weekends Ross as a

4:18

Best for Britain poll using Leaf able to

4:20

M R P techniques predicted the worst general

4:22

election performance in the history of the Conservative

4:25

party. If it's correct the gonna be down

4:27

to ninety eight seats would not have sold

4:29

in Scotland, Wales and Penny Mold and James

4:31

Clavell a scrum champs and receive see like

4:33

himself that all lose their seats. Now know

4:36

enough restitching say both. What happens if we

4:38

experienced one of those eclipse of the Liberals

4:40

moments, one of those town of once in

4:42

a century turnovers. I. Mean your

4:44

Id A will settle in sick at the

4:46

Have stone. Not a loss for the process

4:49

of that. He died. some of us will

4:51

will. who. Those who remember Election Night and

4:53

Ninety Ninety Seven staying out what? you Michael

4:55

Portillo Go We're watching Margaret that his own

4:57

constituency to lay by. Yeah there isn't it.

4:59

Of everything visceral pleasure sometimes in in regime

5:02

change over that nature as it were not

5:04

to hold out the have to that's what

5:06

it's gonna look like. I'm

5:08

in the same way. I mean you mentioned

5:11

that the cops, the Liberals at the beginning

5:13

of the twentieth century and I remember all

5:15

say it doesn't Jeffrey we crossed the you

5:17

know, conservative leaning journalist in Nineteen Ninety Eight

5:20

Nothing published a book as a strange Death

5:22

of Tory England's which was a deliberate reference

5:24

back seats at Add It to Danger Feals

5:26

for the strange death of Liberal England, suggesting

5:29

that as an equivalence a sort of at

5:31

epoch Eu ceased abandonment of a once had

5:33

you want a party was happening and then

5:35

showing off this always did eventually cool their

5:38

way. Back To Power So it's

5:40

the default assumption has to be

5:42

that the Conservatives are such an

5:44

established in friends feature of for

5:46

says political history they just com

5:48

as a bundle with the establishment

5:50

the institutions they uphold the of

5:52

whole streets of Westminster and so

5:54

it's very hard to conceive of

5:56

them being properly as a tool

5:58

that out fast. They'd. Am

6:01

I to thing that we see soon?

6:03

Axed failure is more profound than people

6:05

sometimes giving it credit for credit moping

6:08

the word assess. As a male I

6:10

credit they'll be happy with it. but

6:12

since know I'm because I think people

6:14

to sing well you're who sell a

6:16

terrible hand and maybe he's not quite

6:18

what he was cracked out to be

6:21

who's been oversold but athletes I think

6:23

there is a kind of exquisite precision

6:25

to his badness at politics. that means

6:27

he's sort of exact deletes. Enough.

6:30

Of a kind of hostage to

6:32

the for Nasa cool so well

6:34

a proper moon reform adjacent rights

6:36

to really alienates soft liberal tories

6:38

have come people who buy says

6:40

David Cameron and also to enough

6:42

of a kind of week last

6:44

last the cameroon slowed and spaghetti

6:46

brought David Cameron's the cabinets to

6:48

really tell all the populace Radical

6:50

Boston is right for our to

6:52

jason people that he's not that

6:54

guy and he supporting and he's

6:56

running everything so he could be

6:58

release a since forcing. A pretty a

7:00

massive partition of the conservative vote between

7:02

the Lib Dems and Reform and means

7:04

that golf as the who knows how

7:06

awesome is and so actually in that

7:08

sense seen a eat A Although there's

7:11

a certain kind of fashionable noise round

7:13

M O P polling because it's relatively

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new technique and eight it does deliver

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sometimes is extraordinary looking swings you we

7:19

said he can't see speed the possibility

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games until someone gets hurt. Would insult

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what the much on the podcast because

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the source people listen to this process

8:24

for the all that interested for many

8:26

the people who are fascinated will a

8:28

ceiling. Rather ashamed last month when the

8:30

reason for tapes mystery disappearance turned out

8:32

not survey and exciting newspaper filling bunch

8:34

of palace intrigue, the fact that she

8:36

like mccain is being treated for cancer

8:38

if the soap opera aspect of royalty

8:40

in a very unforgiving light on it

8:42

raises questions. Or whether a good reason to

8:44

wind down the monarchy is interested. Steeply questionable

8:46

constitutional role with the cruel say imposes on

8:48

a cast of characters who mostly never even

8:51

chose to be there in the first place.

8:53

Ras, you're from the worked lefty, disloyal guardian.

8:55

What? What did you make of all? the

8:57

problem is from the royalty addicted press testing

8:59

the trolls and the conspiracy theorists for their

9:02

what those Columbus actually do all day long

9:04

anyway spitting Royal so you're not selling so

9:06

the first saw. Not that seats in the

9:08

hypocrisy is be don't show of needs, no

9:10

members in the weeds, all. Birds

9:13

s O is Diana when he had

9:15

it was a P B. immediate reaction

9:17

I think quite legitimate he was people's

9:19

feelings to the public mood of anger.

9:21

Actually with a pop Razzi and the

9:23

institute the media institutions at founded The

9:25

Princess to such an extent that she

9:27

ended up putting himself in a position

9:29

of getting voted. Is being in

9:31

the tunnel being chased by camera wielding

9:33

mopeds of movies when wielding him or

9:35

same each other again it was see

9:38

that the media institutions to pop razzi

9:40

that was. The sees you

9:42

have sounded or the princess sad that

9:44

and there was a very offensive sort

9:46

of salt fast the happen from the

9:49

tabloid newspapers the had run all the

9:51

pictures and they they will be exposed

9:53

aces and release of rebels in maybe

9:56

instead of. Eating. Away at

9:58

Diana's privacy, what little of. There was

10:00

a seventy thousand into account of

10:02

mom show was you've got some

10:04

hall the I pod piling the

10:07

pressure on to the queen in

10:09

the palace and not getting with

10:11

the national mood of Greece So

10:13

scared. These kind of maneuvers that

10:15

will enable people and that bit

10:17

of the press that is obsessed

10:19

with royalty to have his cake

10:21

and he sits being both a

10:23

incredibly intrusive Peruvians aggressive when it

10:25

needs to be and then unctuously

10:28

deferential and seem to be. Presenting

10:31

itself absolute champion of the

10:33

federal institution. Often whole thing.

10:35

I saw as they also the grim to be honest. I

10:38

mean it's this is sacred to be the

10:41

worst year probably since thought that's how the

10:43

death of Diane of got Sued t think

10:45

is a seriously ill one of them is

10:47

supposed fit the sense of the next generation.

10:50

The previously popular Prince Harry has pretty much

10:52

kills himself off and then you've got Prince

10:54

Andrew. Letting in the and in the Wings

10:56

is is it For a full is is

10:59

a real crisis in the institutions this com

11:01

hard to disentangle the cast of characters and

11:03

the constitutional meaning he i seem to get

11:06

a is never froth because the constitutional saying.

11:08

Is real. I mean ultimately this is

11:10

a sort of an argument I do

11:12

tend to have with people who try

11:14

and dismiss it and say is irrelevant

11:16

or think it should always be beneath

11:18

them. Sweden pay attention to it. Ultimately

11:20

it's pretty slow, don't become laws and

11:23

to life Had Roy the send the

11:25

prime minister is ultimately a royal of

11:27

pointless a crown appointments and when we

11:29

have a general election this year it'll

11:31

happen because or that the a pretty

11:33

soon I goes to the palace in

11:35

the asks the that's dissolution and although

11:37

that will happens as a matter of

11:39

course you know what we discovered a

11:42

review remember the purgation Of course you

11:44

remember the probation crisis todos inside zone

11:46

since his eat these crown powers of

11:48

vast and sweeping and ultimately there isn't

11:50

much codifications constitutional arrangement that really clarify

11:52

how by wielded And so while the

11:54

apex of political democratic power in this

11:56

country resides in that institutions you kind

11:58

of have to. I'm at.

12:01

I think also that another element

12:03

of this is really is a

12:05

source of the cult through back

12:07

course from the end of a

12:09

very very long stable rain and

12:11

ultimately it wasn't. Nearly

12:13

everyone alive today, the institution of

12:15

the monarchy and how that functions

12:18

and will that represents He's Queen

12:20

Elizabeth the Second. And.

12:22

So the width of what what's

12:24

happened off that because she was

12:26

just a genuinely venerate seeds Sega

12:28

and an old ladies of from

12:30

It's was the and hovering above

12:32

everything politics and culture. I'm.

12:35

On So unlike. Same.

12:38

Or celebrity as is played out with use

12:40

of substance. You won't be soon. The Kardashians

12:42

has use a queen arms. I think the

12:44

what we're seeing now is the younger generation

12:46

is a hurry and make and for that

12:49

it's an extent. You are William and Kate.

12:51

They belong more to they tested this. A bit

12:53

of a blurring. Between line of royalty and

12:56

it's conceivable function and just very very famous

12:58

people who get trees to be like celebs

13:00

bus and there is no loyalty and when

13:02

when the one source of blessings the authors

13:05

that that really puts institution dangerous thing. Mideast

13:08

unless I'm an avid, I'm just assuming the

13:10

close your eyes up Guardian Easter that you

13:12

are you know you gear s pro British

13:14

Apollo such as would establish himself. I'm

13:17

republican, I'm never have been. I simply

13:19

much presumes I can remember some and

13:21

but also I very much for the

13:24

casket people who picks their constitutional battles.

13:26

And I'm a democrat and eat in

13:28

the absence of any meaningful climate to

13:30

get rid of. It is very very

13:32

low on my list of changes. so

13:35

it makes the way Britain is governed.

13:37

I'm because I just think they're more

13:39

urgent things that need changing and also

13:41

I I I think it's a mistake.

13:45

For those seeking on the last as

13:47

who is to Mauna Kea to sort

13:49

of think there's something with a appallingly

13:52

deferential in obsequious and somehow the a

13:54

that that the people who care about

13:56

Mauna Kea had that sort of i'm

13:59

eggs. In Self Consciousness needs

14:01

a man's a themselves I think is actually

14:03

entirely normal and very widespread. For something that

14:06

has been pov the fabric of a national

14:08

it and see for a very very long

14:10

time and an institution representing him and his

14:12

continuity to he had to exert a kind

14:15

of magnetic hold over. Over. The society

14:17

and culture. The people. that one just destroy it

14:19

without knowing what would replace it is. I said

14:21

he doesn't provide a service like the B, B

14:23

C or the Nhs. Are you company in that

14:26

category? Been Be eight I think is quite reasonable

14:28

and rational for people to think. Well, it's been

14:30

there for long time. It gives us a sense

14:32

of of stability and continuity. Why would we get

14:34

rid of it? I'm not that. and are they

14:37

object to that position? Yes

14:39

mean I mean when you look at the

14:41

wolves war coverage of the Royals are sensible.

14:43

Azores Colon like thus this their name or

14:46

someplace I'm. Just. To look at it,

14:48

go have a weird come to that com to

14:50

live in A because it's the reason the nearest

14:52

equivalent the United States is Hollywood. Ending

14:54

up I wish I could say that yours

14:56

is the only country that has gripped by

14:59

the oil mania. I mean, I work for

15:01

an American publication. End the interest in sort

15:03

of where is Kate Middleton and that whole

15:05

saga? This is insatiable, which is really same

15:07

for me as someone who really, you know,

15:10

has the the privilege the luxury of of

15:12

not really having to. Care a

15:14

lot about the royal family. My country doesn't have

15:16

the sort of constitutional figure had that you know

15:18

even if you dislike them to kind of have

15:21

to us and a pay attention to or or

15:23

have a position on so. There's

15:25

immense interest rate but I think to the point

15:27

that you're just making with Hollywood I think

15:29

American interest in the Royal family is very much

15:31

akin to like these are celebrities which you know

15:34

is an argument as a bit easier to

15:36

make down when you see them. I'm like Prince

15:38

Harry has married to know an actress like Meghan

15:40

Markle. The I mean even without that I think

15:42

Americans intrigue and that is very much on the

15:45

basis that here's this like relic it's quite claims

15:47

he a lot of the emails I got during

15:49

that me now I only wrote a couple

15:51

of stories really looking at the whole. Debacle of

15:53

or the photo shop in and what it does

15:56

to sort of assess trust. With with the

15:58

institution. The number of

16:00

emails I got from readers. And I still

16:02

often get emails from readers for from

16:05

the Americans opining their views. So there's

16:07

very much as an immense sense of

16:09

interest even if we have different reasons.

16:11

Wasn't. Possible source of these. Kind of like

16:13

a investment and I'm sorry suffers cause it's

16:15

easier to be heavily into their own family

16:18

when they don't have any kind of legal

16:20

role in your life. Well, as you say,

16:22

just to build a cast of characters in

16:24

a difference Global says well, My favorite

16:27

email that I received was. I

16:29

almost wonder if I can just pull it off

16:31

without naming the person. But we're going to call

16:33

her they the woman called jail or this dame

16:35

her by her first time but she emailed me

16:38

and then. The message Kind of weird

16:40

as though she was addressing Kate directly, but she

16:42

said i'm. Please see, Get

16:44

well soon. You have done nothing wrong,

16:46

just concentrate on getting well. I've been

16:48

to England and Buckingham Palace. Love it

16:50

there. Please rest of remember that and

16:52

this isn't Caps no one's business but

16:54

yours in your husband and your beautiful

16:57

family. And so yeah, I mean there's.

16:59

A personal best is the royal. Yeah, be I

17:01

don't know, I don't have a means

17:04

of forwarding that on to the cape,

17:06

but I'm sure the sentiment is appreciated.

17:08

Said. Is it's it is strange when

17:10

you can see for the kind of

17:12

circuses gollum over this episode with her

17:14

on the kind of on going to

17:16

kind of Darkness of Hates Us with

17:18

Harry and Meghan homeless the road and

17:20

deceit depends on conflict. A soyuz like

17:23

any drama would lose google rather the

17:25

peace in that a statement a headed

17:27

monarchy is a state sponsored subsidy is

17:29

it looks that way to you with

17:31

from your slights distance even even if

17:33

rages. It isn't away. And and

17:35

I think what I really fc appreciated about

17:37

Lewis's peace. With. The fact that unlike

17:39

so many pieces talking about whether you know

17:42

royals good or bad, he didn't center it

17:44

on. you know what the existence of the

17:46

monarchy means for us, but rather what the

17:48

existence of the institution means for them. I

17:50

in you know sir, the institution is a

17:52

good unifier of the people on, but you

17:54

know is it gives you the people at

17:57

the center of it what he calls a

17:59

prison of gold. Yeah, and you know

18:01

these just when you recall everything that. Prince.

18:03

Harry went through and even eight. I

18:06

think back to that is it. Hilary

18:08

Mantel. That. The British

18:10

also the one that the media the reference

18:12

to a i remember that it's you bro

18:14

about the royal families like and them to

18:16

pandas. Saying. That both are

18:18

expensive to conserve and ill suited to

18:20

the modern world on you. It's. Also

18:22

funny, very hard to reproduce directly. or

18:24

yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm and any a weekend

18:27

of like look at them like they're in a

18:29

zoo is kind of hard to come to the

18:31

conclusion that yes, this is an institution that is

18:33

really good for the people stuck inside of your.

18:35

There was a fundamental tensions

18:37

in there between what is.

18:40

So. So politely called modernization and by

18:42

was have been making the rules accessible

18:45

in a way that can somehow connect

18:47

them to that to the people of

18:49

which is essentially democratic constructs you know

18:51

you're saying and this is why in

18:53

a was it was brilliant for the

18:56

Mauna Kea the when I'm Prince William

18:58

as he was the as a Prince

19:00

of Wales now I'm Mary Kay Middle

19:02

son was a commoner and this was

19:05

seen as somehow he has the as

19:07

acquire discrete revolution in in the way

19:09

in bringing Mauna Kea. See it

19:11

was to the white and nation in

19:13

some way. I'm again that a democratic

19:15

idiom. But. A wholesome for

19:18

the he called possibly be a

19:20

democratic institution that.the whole concept is

19:22

they have a regal bloodline entitles

19:24

them to ruth annoyances by got

19:26

nothing about say is actually demographics

19:28

and so we all have to

19:30

already theaters in supporting institution you

19:32

have to exist in our we'd

19:34

state of organized hypocrisy this as

19:36

somehow this com meu foods and

19:38

connect with people will also not

19:40

fundamentally not changing the basic premise

19:42

of it and I think honestly

19:44

I'm in a way a lot

19:46

of damage. Was done to the institution

19:48

without people realizing by all the speculation over

19:50

whether it might have been a good idea

19:52

to go straight to William and jump Charles

19:54

after Elizabeth when she was still alive. Because

19:57

once you even begin that kind of conversation,

19:59

you're talking recruitment drive like who would be

20:01

the best king or that moment and illustrates

20:03

the one who's born to do the to

20:05

fall flat. Let's see, there's no other qualifications

20:08

and and so I do think there was

20:10

this these cracks appearing all over the place

20:12

in the way that we discuss it and

20:14

engage this as if he can somehow be

20:16

mountains and eventually that yea that you will

20:19

kind of collapse under those contradictions eventually. It

20:21

just seems so hard to sustain that. Things.

20:24

I mess around with the Champions League of

20:26

us who people stop second as soon as

20:28

they just get back to old school value

20:30

east, absolute rise of monarchs and executions. Other

20:32

thing I mean also there was a kind

20:34

of a historicism so it is now mean

20:36

a loss of what we think of as

20:38

ancient venerable traditions. Going back for Fr yes

20:40

you ten sixty ass or beyond the Alfred

20:42

where'd you go all sorts of a Victorian

20:45

era, the inventions that empire to make the

20:47

whole thing seem a little bit grand read

20:49

more pompous insists of the persuade seats or

20:51

herself six of get bored as Empress of

20:53

India. And I see you go bang.

20:55

Since when did george an era when the

20:57

the Mauna Kea was just sort of at

20:59

the apex of a biggest structure of our

21:01

secrets you had a slight that their own

21:03

role in politics and society as and they

21:05

were pretty unpopular and some of them are

21:07

really rubbish and the as he ga ga

21:09

didn't even really speaking they spend more time

21:11

in Hanover is so he comes and goes

21:13

in ways in cycles. The are a lot

21:15

of what we think of as. Haven't

21:17

been there forever is actually well as malcolm. So.

21:20

Any conversation or the feature them of the

21:22

mother has a set and it was very

21:24

assiduously Mother saw the existence in the Papacy,

21:26

the death of the queen and the earth

21:28

of the coronation first it was too soon

21:30

and disrespectful to the to any just died

21:32

that we need to give Charles time that

21:34

as the carnations disrespectful again or that the

21:36

mother his cure for know the cycle and

21:39

it's still. It's so close it's wheels. are

21:41

we ever going to break out of out

21:43

of that cycle of it's not the right

21:45

time and might even be the Us does

21:47

mean besides it's the cruel seats a the

21:49

participants but even. With the exception of people

21:51

cases married ads many of whom had

21:53

no choice in this whatsoever was simply

21:55

bone so it and and even when

21:57

they do a hurry and the does.

22:00

They don't want to be involved

22:02

anymore. Even then they proceeded vilified.

22:04

I think it's too hard constitution

22:06

leads to make compassion for the

22:09

people doing it affects us and

22:11

at sea. Public opinion noticed

22:13

in his country where everywhere on the

22:15

world's can be pretty heartless and cruel

22:17

about that sort of thing so we

22:19

can they There's again as an organized

22:21

hypocrisy you can feel terribly sad about

22:23

all the intrusion the peruvian so while

22:25

forensically clicking and googling find out what

22:27

the conspiracy theory as the was. So

22:29

now I think it would take us

22:31

a constitutional of friends of the scale

22:34

the that where the at the royal

22:36

family the monarchy it's found itself really

22:38

on the wrong side of political decisions

22:40

A exposed to scale of his power.

22:42

Suit just start changing the way that

22:45

conversation happens. See. This ad was

22:47

the seventh times to the head with

22:49

i Get On with Nancy's Be A

22:51

Meets Breaks It Meets I'm Dead That.

22:54

A Scottish Independence

22:56

meets? Back. Have

22:58

the some pizza in the get. Things like

23:01

that for proper proper apple thriller stuff. Yasmin

23:03

polling on the royal families? quite interesting. You

23:05

gov do a trucker. And it

23:07

has. Found this the royal family is good

23:09

for Britain has declined from sixty one percent

23:11

the populist and twenty nineteen to just fifty

23:13

one percent now. Neither good nor bad. A

23:16

salt from twenty four percent of rapes at

23:18

not as significant as bad as a from

23:20

ten percent to sixteen to seventeen cents. Do

23:22

we think that's just the absence of the

23:24

queen effects, or is it something deeper. And

23:27

in as the queen's death does explain

23:29

a lot of interest point this is

23:31

a woman who was ill venerated. An

23:34

end I think of is. Very

23:36

difficult for whoever was going to replace her

23:38

to sell her shoes, not least because they

23:41

simply not gonna have the level of time

23:43

but also because he notes and and I

23:45

think this is where it. Is.

23:48

And where to have a? Hadn't been in the Uk

23:50

long enough to really remember. It's the sort of. Or

23:54

even I can just remember. Period. The

23:56

Diana period. But millennial? I have no

23:58

idea. By

24:00

am but you know a the queen seems kind

24:02

of unifying like a remember when she died and

24:05

even when i talk to our it and republicans.

24:07

They would happily say look, I don't like

24:09

the institution but I really liked her. Like

24:12

Yoshi, she had a good run and and

24:14

cheat sheets or the country well and etc

24:16

etc to personify the institution and a lot

24:18

of ways. but it was also her that

24:21

was unifying. So this institution is meant to

24:23

be this national unifying thing. And

24:25

perhaps soon. Accent still is, but

24:28

the players involved. From.

24:31

To my mind, aren't quite as unifying.

24:34

For. His likable as she was and and

24:36

I think that's perhaps part of the problem

24:38

on balance is this a good institution? The

24:40

thing that I heard over and over again

24:43

when the Queen of Pass was you. This

24:45

is an institution that reflects British values that

24:47

you know allows Britain see it in an

24:49

air. We have a lot of division put

24:51

particularly politically that kind of binds the nation.

24:53

But when think that said, that the whole

24:55

Kate Middleton saw the but even it Harry

24:57

and Meghan none of that unifies like Bethel

25:00

device of as well, all in a kind

25:02

of a sort of pseudo political way. So

25:04

I would attribute. It. A lot

25:06

to the queen. But. I don't know but

25:08

I mean my impression also when when I was like

25:10

is going to submit in the passes that there's a

25:12

lot of apathy Yeah and if the average per I

25:14

talked about the topic is up a salad. Or. Think

25:16

I think maybe they do as of and

25:19

body a real procedurally and with we have

25:21

a talk about which is to target calm

25:23

and quiet desperation is being with was a

25:25

city that just as please ignore the things

25:27

going on around you has said that that

25:29

they'll disappear. Just finally else is rescue of

25:32

the has been that the monarchy is a

25:34

decision of cheesy but the most prized causes

25:36

a isn't use its authenticity, it's a true

25:38

to yourself as increase your own personal beliefs.

25:40

Yet when Prince Harry exercises it. And

25:43

he walks away with sorry good reason.

25:45

The businesses are world which basically killed

25:47

his mother and traumatized what he does

25:50

thought he becomes the villain the the

25:52

soap opera with league the villainous consoling

25:54

wife allegedly in the background The swells

25:56

becomes civil divorce and sickly sites is

25:59

really way. The devote reconciling those

26:01

two demands with the juicy authenticity.

26:04

I. Don't think the roof because I don't think

26:07

the institution lends itself well to authenticity. It when

26:09

you see people being there authentic South, especially on

26:11

social media. One of the things that was most

26:13

notable but the Queen is that we didn't us.

26:15

You know a lot about her. We didn't know

26:18

her opinions. And maybe new when she drank

26:20

like a daily gin or whatever but they give you

26:22

know that was kind of the extent of it on

26:24

and you may have felt like in York she was

26:26

around for a long time but in terms of

26:28

like her like innermost thoughts and feelings that was

26:30

always subject to speculation, an Arab remember and a conversations

26:33

that I've had when I was reporting on the latest

26:35

Middleton saw there was no. Experts

26:37

talked about how when William and Kate and it

26:39

took to Instagram that one of the pluses and

26:41

what made them pepsi more modern was the fact

26:43

that they were be more authentic. They were posting

26:45

their own us you know family photos and that

26:48

ended up being. Kind of the

26:50

crux of this massive crisis so snow.

26:52

I don't think that those two things

26:54

work well together, but to see your

26:56

point when you're authentic eerie, you open

26:58

your sensitive to being human and humans

27:00

have flaws. I'm in. This is an

27:02

institution that though I think people except

27:04

would would pass many for a think

27:06

it's more noble when it seemed to

27:08

be of a bit too ill Illinois

27:10

as. It. Was nothing morals, Ethics of being. Talked

27:28

about reckon about us in the show where which is

27:30

a hero and villain of the week? He's been touting

27:32

of the world's grass verge is and he's been flights

27:34

a big on the hard shoulder of life. As we

27:36

know it's rough who's your hero of the week and

27:39

his you villain of the week? With. My

27:41

hero am I allowed to choose

27:43

someone whose dads are because he

27:45

saw last week we I trust

27:47

which is to the now leads

27:50

Daniel Kahneman the Godfather of Behavioral

27:52

Economics. She was machine economists use

27:54

a psychologist I'm and see. So

27:57

high and needs our the public

27:59

understand during of the ways in

28:01

which all kinds of cognitive biases

28:03

and misjudgments in fact south thinking

28:05

that we don't even know about

28:07

his best book. thinking fast and

28:09

slow or was I think idea

28:11

as you success with very good

28:13

reason I certainly is one of

28:15

the nonfiction books to the I've

28:17

read the really stages Me for

28:20

longshoremen. Quite profoundly influenced the way

28:22

I engage with politics, statistics, economics.

28:24

He was a really really smart

28:26

guy and a great communicator and

28:28

we're those insights have been. To.

28:30

Serve. The. At proper respect

28:32

and that reason I was I

28:34

see been. Savvy. Died I'm

28:36

he's not. He is also not as as also

28:39

good innings Yes so as we say by the

28:41

queen. Of

28:43

and villain. Is

28:46

a bit they said fail vs

28:48

really bombing if robots and race

28:51

I'm who has with purposes. Including

28:54

immigration and visa status as

28:56

part of crime gathering statistics

28:58

ah, you know, was in

29:01

a way that you just

29:03

think someone's really sat down

29:05

and store hard about a

29:07

way to take an issue

29:09

that's already quite toxic. And

29:12

Nos the did zeroing in

29:14

on the potential conflation. Of

29:16

migrants with crime and and says announcing

29:18

something that won't happen but in a

29:20

way that will boost his profile with

29:22

certain group of people and really angered

29:24

annoy people like me who wants you

29:27

to annoyed about it One of us

29:29

on this podcasts and it is just

29:31

such an absolute. Precision targeted

29:33

piece of petty, spiteful, nasty,

29:35

pointless politics from a man

29:38

who is really was the

29:40

most petty spiteful, pointless nos.

29:42

The People's has been elevated

29:44

to cabinet level policies under

29:47

this government. and so yeah,

29:49

they have at Rhodes. Henrik.

29:51

Everyone. In football that such

29:53

behavior is to stratasys as or a

29:56

so it's basically shit us policy classes.

29:58

He has his the and. It

30:00

is says it's just so. Upsetting,

30:02

bone crunching studs up. Say the red card

30:04

and walk off with his cities in green

30:06

on your face. You know I don't think

30:09

it's even say the red thought. I think

30:11

it's the see niggling little thing that you

30:13

might get away with a deacon southern front

30:15

of referee doing much rogue. yeah that a

30:17

lot lot may or may go off camera

30:19

winding up the crowd One ya the opposition

30:21

fans it's I see as I saw them

30:24

here. Horrible. horrible yes mean who? Your nomination

30:26

for Harewood. Villain. So my hero for

30:28

this week is the Mayor of

30:30

assemble am whose name I'm hoping that

30:32

by train when I say I

30:34

cram him among you. Who are you

30:37

very much a have who who

30:39

won reelection and recent local elections in

30:41

Turkey which was seen as I

30:43

say that have a huge loss overall

30:45

her arms president aired alliance ruling party

30:48

in countries like Turkey and hungry

30:50

where we see attend of competitive authoritarianism

30:52

as actively ah you know where

30:54

where the playing field is tilted so

30:56

heavily in in in the ruling

30:58

leaders favor Whether whether it's or about

31:01

whether it's air to once it's

31:03

it's actually quite. Quite.

31:06

Nice to see that Edo and Opposition can

31:08

still stage i'm a combat or when this

31:10

case you know a really strong performance in

31:12

the way that the Turkish opposition here has

31:15

on. And as for my villain I need

31:17

to do is the seals like a cop

31:19

out. But I think just given everything that's

31:22

happened today and in recent weeks and given

31:24

can have a lot of the attention The

31:26

Thin pizza him Recently I'm going to go

31:28

with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that for a

31:31

number of reasons that be number one is

31:33

his comments today with regard to the World

31:35

Central Kitchen. Saying that you know that

31:37

these things happen and more on which

31:39

is more or less a paraphrase of

31:41

what he actually said I thought was

31:43

was quite insulting. You know the fact

31:45

that for for the Israeli public the

31:47

fact of the hostages aren't home that

31:49

he's been seen as Senator Chuck Schumer

31:51

said not too long ago be putting

31:53

his own sort of personal survival ahead

31:55

of the good of the country arms

31:57

And and the didn't either. People

32:00

were I'm guess I just think he's keep villain

32:02

of the week of the months, perhaps even of

32:04

the year. Had a know we'll see how things

32:06

go Well. You've given me some based

32:09

on the villain size. you can be very

32:11

chill. Former because Robert generate Binyamin Netanyahu. I'm

32:13

that I am going to give it's a

32:15

generous because I think it prop might be

32:17

the last chance we have to pull the

32:20

boots and to generate because is clearly on

32:22

the way out and I don't think we'll

32:24

have generates a kick around for too much

32:26

longer of source and someone else it will

32:28

have Netanyahu's to kick around for quite a

32:30

long time out of thanks again very very

32:33

sadly. Add Netanyahu's person day is Sam is

32:35

gonna Roman ruins I am and I think

32:37

you. Can fully support one in

32:39

Israel's be Safe and secure And

32:42

really really dislike Benjamin Netanyahu So

32:44

generate wins villain all my heroes

32:46

side. I am.

32:48

I think I'm gonna go for the new.

32:51

may have missed all the time. The matter

32:53

with that? both of our knock it off

32:55

center pronounced because I Tom's fourth Yet for

32:57

a little bit of wink of lies in

33:00

the darkness, it's quite nice to see a

33:02

at one get one and they are. Now

33:11

all the boom times over of boomers,

33:14

a generation used to having everything it's

33:16

own way is not happy said the

33:18

Economist recently in a briefing with pointed

33:21

out that the postwar Beatles and Tanks

33:23

multiple conceive a boom free education on

33:25

homeowner generation might not have things on

33:28

it's own way. In Chs, baby boomers

33:30

paid less in and talk more out

33:32

for the welfare states that any generation

33:34

before or since the magazine said boo

33:37

boos and are pay more tax, losing

33:39

benefits and losing power as millennials begins.

33:41

With clip them on paper. Jeremy I'm

33:43

does the fifty seven year old farts

33:45

rice on the Finance Minister of the

33:48

pensioners party said economist in practice his

33:50

princess millennial chancellor Source gonna happen and

33:52

what does it all mean especially for

33:54

the people are really counts which is

33:56

checks is like me and ruff ruff.

33:59

Putting. Aside. The Euro isis their bucks every

34:01

second. We'll us off the presses discussions of

34:03

boomers by saying not you listen as the

34:06

other boomers because he had our ups. We

34:08

have a huddle once we get complaints and

34:10

probably been living in a boomer state since

34:12

and new labour. I. See

34:14

a sad to say that as

34:17

a cohort with the exact have

34:19

it you mentioned the boomers are

34:22

historically an extraordinarily lucky generation and

34:24

that is across as sunny the

34:26

west and developed world but the

34:29

teach the as particular source of

34:31

wrinkles in this country because. He.

34:34

Had those who wins universe see got

34:36

a free of us see education ah

34:38

if you is a widow and said

34:41

dad said it's housing markets in the

34:43

Ninety seven seas or Nineteen eighties out

34:45

when they would have been so venturing,

34:47

professional ice and able to do that

34:50

they acquired assets that have earns a

34:52

lot more than they will have done

34:54

in their watched night I was just

34:56

did she buy a cruel of inflation

34:59

in that in the bricks and mortar.

35:01

Ah ah ah ends this he they

35:03

are often get. Final salary pension

35:05

see her and and can retire in

35:07

their sixties or way what's resign as

35:10

sixties and that generation spew because there's

35:12

a lot of them As they they

35:14

moved up to the cohorts an acquired

35:17

power they found that they were able

35:19

to so to protect each other through

35:21

the the leave a so of public

35:24

office. So yeah I think it's it's

35:26

clearly Sarah losses. Boomers. Who haven't

35:28

done well as either out of the various

35:30

things you've just described they may be done

35:32

by council houses when they could have done

35:34

all sorts of things but yes I thing

35:36

as a cohort it's source of on arguable

35:39

that that they've they cornered the market in

35:41

political and economic power for the last twenty

35:43

or thirty years. And then our services

35:45

at those whose experience all of those things. unprecedented

35:47

growth for education to see moon so forth piece

35:49

of prey on I just for their then voted

35:52

breaks it to deny those things to rest of

35:54

us to kind of my paws on and on

35:56

the on the dow woods. And trajectory it

35:58

is a cow, the teacher or have we

36:00

to an extent in our politics been paying

36:03

the price of the raised expectations of that

36:05

of of that toehold that's seen. As it

36:07

said. Not only that, things will get, those

36:09

buildings will be centered on them. He

36:12

I think that not a little bit

36:14

more complicated just because it's eat sorts

36:16

of new move for the this is

36:18

sort of natural risk aversion that people

36:20

who have stuff whoop politically behave in

36:22

ways that they think will protect. It's

36:24

all we know. If you no longer

36:26

thing you're going to once to go

36:28

live and work abroad. In the Edu

36:31

we already retired you the you might

36:33

not see the benefits of European Union

36:35

membership as much in south and I

36:37

wouldn't necessarily. Yeah. I think

36:39

you what's more interesting in

36:41

a way is that the

36:43

sense that. Say. And

36:46

now that they all sitting on

36:48

that toward is sitting on a

36:50

big pile of asset wealth in

36:52

particular and we've had the financial

36:54

crisis of had austerity. Some.

36:56

Money has got this go. Very very low

36:58

growth say some money has to come from

37:01

somewhere to as he financed the states and

37:03

the services that that is the country comes

37:05

to expect including the boomers themselves who against

37:07

us something. lot of pressure on the Nhs

37:10

like that My you that money's coming from

37:12

somewhere they've got the money they're gonna have

37:14

to pony up and saw is actually yeah

37:16

you can see that as any in cultural

37:19

times as the millennials. Selling. To get

37:21

their own back against the boomers Biloxi's I

37:23

think again it's just the source of of

37:25

have any chance to looking around running policymaker

37:27

looking around at for example the cost of

37:29

social care eventually is is going to be

37:31

the case one way or another that the

37:33

people who are now says I can have

37:35

basically have to tap the of liquidate some

37:37

of their housing wealth to pay for their

37:39

social care. Now know what the politics is

37:41

currently saying that but that is definitely going

37:43

to happen because that's where the money's. Yeah.

37:46

That's it's a way to completely obliterate your

37:48

political career. As to reason, I found out

37:50

very quickly pushes us in a twenty something

37:52

election. Yeah, exactly. I mean it's it's awkward,

37:54

particularly for the Conservatives, because if you look

37:57

at a polling now, pretty much the only

37:59

people he'll say they will vote conservative are

38:01

over sixty as the over sixty five I

38:03

think our. and so again, I mean you

38:06

tube reference that peace in the Economist. I

38:08

think it was it over spades quite strongly.

38:10

The case by saying Jeremy Ounces, the first

38:12

millennial Chancellor of The Phillies. They're all sorts

38:14

of things that government could do to protect

38:17

or help people who, for example, or renting

38:19

and those are the relation or who have

38:21

missed his student debt. So that guy has

38:23

you paying off for long time with incredibly

38:26

brutal marginal tax rates. The results by Roger

38:28

Me How this is not doing anything. About

38:30

those things, he's Elsa millennial Chancellor Boss in a

38:32

it is the case the he's made some choices

38:34

that mean that that's the yeah. Well as I

38:37

say whether money is that's that's why you've you've

38:39

got to get it from I'm and when you

38:41

have a Labour government and if those over sixty

38:43

vice are the only people that voted conservative and

38:46

I live in the few remaining constituencies that he

38:48

could be safe. So Receipts this just not the

38:50

incense is there for a cure. Some administration's to

38:52

give them what they want any more where they

38:54

will be. A lot of incentives for a customer

38:57

demonstrations of pay attention to the people who voted

38:59

them in. And that will be on our whole.

39:02

A cat that lot about the Ladell Chance

39:04

was says on it they com is getting

39:06

carried away. It's a very good lines as

39:08

is the cross said the feature is a

39:10

very expensive trailer stomping on a human face

39:12

forever without a great line automobile a little

39:14

the extreme sites and just mean the boom

39:17

a cohort again asterisk not all of them

39:19

at now a blast Castagna All Boomers the

39:21

have also been like closely connected to the

39:23

rise of from concepts of populism not just

39:25

in America by but across the world is

39:27

this didn't This is purely said they with

39:29

must property ownership of the fact that you

39:31

know. Once the todos, once the political.

39:34

Whether Dawkins, you become more frightened and

39:36

more conservative and you go for an

39:38

authoritarian answers or is it something more

39:40

deeper, most more kind of psychological. The

39:42

idea that either you the you are

39:44

a special generation effects. I

39:46

think it's an intense and I mean

39:48

Elites in the Us contacts. You.

39:50

Know, I very much got

39:53

the impression that Trump spoke

39:55

to. A generation is can

39:57

have shared the idea that he did.

40:00

That things were better back

40:02

then. And that

40:04

you know that that kind of changes are

40:06

happening currently are not only scary, but threatening

40:08

to America and to the America that you

40:11

recognize. So I think that was part of

40:13

it. But I think you also can have

40:15

have to look at the demographics. I mean

40:18

it was older. Older Americans tend to vote.

40:20

More. But they also have

40:22

are less likely to be black,

40:24

hispanic or asian or. Year

40:27

old groups that are not only and

40:29

to be a representative of younger voters,

40:32

but who also tend to vote democrat

40:34

so I think there's there's a bit

40:36

of of that as well. See.

40:39

I just got a lot of the issues that

40:41

tend to tend republican, which also tend to send

40:43

older. You know, there's a lot of concerns about.

40:47

You eat at those heroes republicans

40:49

talking a lot about yet. Trend

40:51

Like an Obscene Chance He Ball

40:53

sexual orientation and gender identity generally.

40:56

You know there's obviously concerns are on immigration, but

40:59

I yeah, I just I feel it. A lot

41:01

of it hearkens back to this idea of you

41:03

know we need to make America great again and

41:05

the America that your generation remembers and that you

41:07

grew up and is better than the America that

41:09

we're currently living in Warsaw. Weird where our

41:11

dog visit martial law as my by smart and

41:13

your city and moses watching tv or just absorbing

41:16

this will the potential Gc far more kind of

41:18

boomer propaganda in the states and you do hear

41:20

you hear all that Subs we did woodstock and

41:22

we stop the Vietnam war on us a skin

41:24

and know your or vote for Trump was a

41:27

so and on of indexes at this juncture going

41:29

on there for the to it it to see

41:31

that this the kind of the conversation so much

41:33

will be was censored than easier. On

41:35

to an extent and I thought when you said

41:38

you're watching American tv you also saw like all

41:40

the medication. Flags emerge So you're also targeting like

41:42

my loans or that everybody's fox the real life

41:44

and on a boat, a lab having more sex

41:46

than I've ever had or other implying a medical.

41:48

Six of us that a lot lot. Zola. Stake

41:51

the yeah there is a very weird going home

41:53

and and just seeing those adverts. General a solid

41:55

Oh right I forgot that this is a thing

41:57

that we do. Ah but what I mean to

41:59

eighty. Two years. Your overall point? I mean,

42:01

yes, in a way that they do dominate

42:03

the culture, but I mean, and maybe decisis,

42:06

Again, because I'm a millennial phone or I

42:08

will serve as. I

42:10

kind of also feel like their dominance

42:13

is limited. I'm certainly. I mean I'm

42:15

among the younger generation and and I

42:17

don't know to what extent. the fact

42:19

that they feel like they're losing their

42:21

dominance is why this is kind of

42:23

last gasp. We need to go for.

42:26

For. Trump or some. Sort of kind of extreme

42:28

version. it's as her to take us back

42:30

but I'm here. You look at servants go

42:32

back to Hollywood Edu within like the kind

42:34

of up and coming with the new stars

42:36

that that. Can be shallow the

42:39

other day as the for any dessert. That

42:41

granted, I think those first two are. Probably.

42:43

Even jerseys. But even if you look like.

42:46

If. Who's kind of taking over like the music

42:48

industry Fiance? Taylor Swift? Lady Gaga drink these

42:50

are all millennials. I'm so in a way

42:52

in and then you know even though to

42:54

social media and the boomers of mean apart

42:57

from face of don't really exist or citing

42:59

a lot of like what is are developing

43:01

i mean yes and turns ideas of like

43:03

what America is I'm sure like some of

43:05

that you know can have all this stuff

43:07

does. insert. Itself. But

43:09

I also think they probably feel like their own.

43:12

Falling. Behind them. And it doesn't help when

43:14

you have a generation like Gente communicating in

43:16

a way that they can understand, let alone

43:18

I can't understand who had some yeah Providence.

43:20

I think it's incredibly. Complicated though

43:22

because he had very

43:25

crudely speaking. Of. Liberalism

43:27

within the boomer generation one

43:29

the cult first round of

43:32

the culture wars say the

43:34

sort of progressive post seek

43:36

late sixties early seventies of

43:38

the idea of that's in

43:40

races incredibly progressive, all smoking

43:42

pot the will be a

43:44

bit with the what books

43:47

they didn't says that particular

43:49

mythology to woodstock iconography is

43:51

one branding of that cohorts.

43:53

And yet as the it's

43:55

immensely conservative Reaganite capitalism massively.

43:57

One the economic round of the first. Native

44:00

culture war has the same generation really

44:02

it's a pretty big yes yes and

44:04

so each side guess of feel a

44:06

little bit aggrieved. So he that economic

44:08

concept is based the fella they were

44:10

paths yeah licentious Bill Clinton is him

44:12

and a liberal. That liberal establishment run

44:14

everything and you have a little bit

44:17

in this country to I'm an liberals

44:19

gets a thing will Basically they love

44:21

so stuffy conservatives actually run everything so

44:23

if on sore spot he feels this

44:25

they're owed a swing of the pendulum

44:27

says is the and that's within one

44:29

generation. Basically it's all Billy Joel's We

44:31

didn't start the fire of massive argument in

44:33

a gigantic country glossy. And as I see

44:36

why Ten Eggs is such an interesting phenomenon

44:38

I would say that because I'm so thank

44:40

you for the Bible I was feeling so

44:42

most important generations of man know is because

44:44

I see I do think there is a

44:47

sense in which those of I mean I

44:49

was born in Nineteen seventy Four and Judge

44:51

Annexed basically getting late sixties up to about

44:53

Nineteen Eighty. And I

44:55

think blue one of the defining cultural

44:57

features as an ex is supposed to

45:00

be. I think the idea that because

45:02

their parents were boomers who was actually

45:04

terribly liberal and and one that year

45:06

they are supposed woodstock permissive people and

45:08

as the also they were raised in

45:10

that a long post war bloomington my

45:12

seen a seasons and post cold war

45:14

where into the in the nineties whereas

45:16

to eat there was peace. There was

45:19

a year those in general dividend of

45:21

the cold war being over and everything

45:23

was good. They didn't really have anything.

45:25

To Rebel Against and said

45:27

they ended up does Rebelling

45:29

against everything in a snarky

45:32

satirical soccer style. I mean

45:34

that the terms and ecstasy

45:36

coins by an American. Soldiers.

45:38

Coupons or know what? did someone? Someone? Gave.

45:41

The technology instead the he

45:43

Penn State from it a

45:45

historians and is cool cool

45:48

fossil assiduously sampled assassins he's

45:50

of as who describes of

45:52

classical okay describes Xanax says

45:54

of the day we saw

45:56

impels boy insolence, intelligence, irony

45:59

and spirits. The. Year I'll take

46:01

that. when it's hot area has got is

46:03

also quite the this country How. All.

46:06

Of the sorts of misbehavior rules,

46:08

social dysfunction I'm stats really. Pete

46:10

Engine Eggs So teenage pregnancy, recreational

46:12

drug use, Andres drinking gin Eggs

46:15

says he will hold the record

46:17

flat the Millennials and said seats

46:19

are way more puritan away by

46:21

the behave work harder than just

46:24

as we really all the out

46:26

says he wastes a generation switch

46:28

I'm afraid I must concede, I

46:30

did as had a little bit

46:33

surprising that. Same haven

46:35

of I do find it interesting that kind

46:37

of the of the of the american generation

46:39

has some pretty center. it's a very very

46:41

different on this earth generators centers. to express

46:44

we did get a disaffected and doesn't believe

46:46

anything anymore. the center ice escrow. fantastic time.

46:48

It was a job and color excitement, fantastic

46:50

music and you know I'm not exactly idealism

46:53

but certain nice You know a belief that

46:55

things could get better than summers off. Absolutely.

46:58

I was on a sudden a fourth one

47:00

as well all of a Trump's i remember

47:02

those he seventy one that suits a boomers

47:04

so of in is alive example in the

47:07

chefs and emphasis away from boomers in Britain

47:09

at least in the was be women situation

47:11

so some four million women whose retirement age

47:13

was was put up that are being offered

47:15

between the thousand pounds in three thousand.com precise

47:17

another ten thousand pounds of I think claiming

47:20

this is developing into a scandals ruff. Give

47:22

us the give us the kind of quit

47:24

sir The executive summary of yeah okay so

47:26

the to very short version. The in

47:28

the post war welfare state that was

47:30

a different. Retirement age men

47:33

and women. So the nineties and sixty for

47:35

women, sixty five for men are at a

47:37

very individual major government. As a pension Sacks

47:39

were said. As he has some says, you

47:41

have to equalize that no longer really make

47:43

sense to have those different ages. Spain will

47:45

be phased in over long periods of time,

47:47

so women had suddenly he gets. Lot

47:49

is thrown off this of cliff edge of

47:51

have no pension provision right at the end

47:54

of that works nights when they hit six

47:56

these then going in some sort of did

47:58

early coalition George Osborne austerity. Where is

48:00

all about? How can we save as much

48:02

money as possible Sunday speaking the gun when

48:04

I see less of a cliff? It anyway

48:07

comes. Think about it, why not? And and

48:09

massive these for hims v that the period

48:11

of transition which men's women they must be

48:13

women bowlsby being an acronym for women against

48:15

state pension inequality Who save. The. As

48:17

they weren't given anywhere near adequate warning of

48:19

this or any warning it's all in some

48:21

cases I'm a to be. It was just

48:24

about say their retirements old as the sorry

48:26

car retire and and they. Basically.

48:28

When their money and just that's the

48:30

last month or the parliamentary a health

48:32

service ombudsman at reported saying yeah you

48:35

earn some money governments about than their

48:37

governments has preempt that by saying now

48:39

we're not giving them money A cousin

48:41

that was to a bodies and says

48:44

this is now left hanging as you

48:46

say with as does that the the

48:48

vast number of people but it says

48:50

it is a distinct cohort of women

48:53

have a of Ceo of that age

48:55

of born in the nineties. Bids on

48:57

consisted mostly. To. Quite.

48:59

Rightly I think feel quite stitched up

49:01

by laughed. For. The sorry but he

49:03

really was the pensioner party that we we could

49:06

have imagined. It's well as I say you the

49:08

measures Aluminium said radical your son's a fantastic saw

49:10

and you are a call applied votes. Take

49:12

the compensation the faster they are not doing

49:14

so indicates that maybe there's a bit of

49:16

a shift in the ass. Or is it

49:18

just that there's a letter someone sends is

49:20

no money less? I think they're Yeah, he's

49:22

probably more that they're wrong. Quite enough of

49:24

the money on distributions, enough in with a

49:27

rule in one marginal seats. they'd probably find

49:29

some honey for the i'm a blunt the

49:31

speaking I suspect yeah it will be in

49:33

that you'll be that order of calculation rather

49:35

than a more general observation about we've given

49:37

pensioners enough thank you very much. I mean

49:39

that the again you look at the argument

49:41

about. That the triple locks it's not

49:43

the most expensive is this is the

49:46

a priest deck and I'm sure people

49:48

know generally but it means of the

49:50

pension has to rise with either up

49:52

in line with inflation earnings or is

49:54

it to essential hop since who sent

49:56

off as a as a dumb was

49:58

the highest ah. In any

50:00

ratchets the pension up but it

50:03

actually. By. European standards a righteous

50:05

has ratcheted up as a relatively low level

50:07

of mean. So either you can do to

50:09

make the casey the weight and say this

50:11

is a government is throwing money pensioners or

50:13

this is a government that is. As.

50:15

Means as necessary to everyone else. As

50:18

an interesting closings, your a Millennial as we

50:20

have heard. are you looking forward to your

50:22

moments of serves political total had Germany when

50:24

it's all laid out for speaking now as

50:27

the voice of your generation. Yes,

50:29

but it also feels light years away.

50:31

Mean we've talked about how American politics

50:33

is. A. Lot older, not just. In our

50:35

octogenarian presidential candidates. But even if you

50:37

just look at the made up. Of

50:40

Congress in and of American Politics for

50:42

it. Like him, there aren't a lot

50:44

of millennials really present, so I'm here.

50:47

In the current Congress. There are just

50:49

city to millennial members in the House

50:51

of Representatives. Em out of four

50:54

hundred and Thirty five. and I think

50:56

there's one Jens a member of. And

50:58

the median age as of that chamber

51:00

is around fifty eight a think I'm

51:02

and in a similarly, the Senate I

51:04

think the boomers continue to dominate. Is

51:07

there sixty six boomers Editors at one

51:09

hundred? So. Yes, but it also

51:11

feel like it's it's gonna take a while

51:13

for for millennials to really feel like they've

51:15

gotten that footholds done is how it'll be

51:17

by the time that happens. Between when

51:19

you're talking here about millennials and boomers are

51:21

just Felix don't that the Japanese guy in

51:24

the Godzilla vs Tongue movies that let Them

51:26

Fight is is often the corner be I

51:28

like whatever. see I was earning the company

51:30

too busy Sir Henry Kissinger about the Iran

51:33

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51:35

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51:37

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51:39

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52:50

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52:52

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52:54

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52:56

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52:58

so. At least the monologue because

53:00

it was comedian education American comedian

53:02

Rami he says and see. It

53:05

in his monologue I think as was expected

53:07

and of brutes sort of Gaza Israel and

53:09

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53:12

an empathetic and salt for way I'm calling

53:14

for you know his to the free all

53:16

the people of Palestine was politically language for

53:18

it to free all the Israeli hostages amps

53:21

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53:23

was or a really thoughtful well done a

53:25

monologue so that's that's what I watched a

53:27

couple of times and the some. The other

53:30

all of a you tube now the the

53:32

yes and yes well as other yeah I

53:34

agree with sense for us how about you

53:36

the Ama to the low brow than us

53:38

though I I'm for the first time in

53:40

a long long time I watched the Cambridge

53:43

Boat Race. Normally Amiens has he added nasty

53:45

go down says attempts to watch is still

53:47

many. I'm not as the I just thought

53:49

I'd give. I'd struggle to care less about

53:51

the outcome by myself or enemies until they

53:53

both loses his arm and a what I

53:55

found was at his or surmise that if

53:58

you there's some isn't always any schools. If

54:00

you decide you're interested, you can find yourself

54:02

caring about it. And I was reminded that

54:04

we've got the Olympics coming this summer. My

54:06

favorite thing about the Olympics is seventy only

54:09

the middle of the afternoon and be finding

54:11

myself massively interested in some Tokyo excuse for

54:13

what are you know the rules are thought.

54:15

The thought of watching his even watching us,

54:17

how they getting the point where the competitive

54:20

kayaking or whatever the and so yes that

54:22

that's the kind of slightly pointless sports that

54:24

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top comedians. Marcus Brigstocke Smartest.

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What's your favorite thing? About. Paper

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cuts. It's the ponds. Is

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obviously different suburb where we go through

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the papers and you see what's creative

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beauties. the people who work particularly in

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the tabloids have come up with often.

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I think it's pun first then story

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of Adam. I've got one for the

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story. too much this but he's really

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fun. part of the podcast to or

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see what they come up with every

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day especially the daily star of the

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Stop Another Love Animals. So if you want

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to be on, suffer the news and have amassed

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what you're doing it, take the test every day

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on. Your favorite podcast app Sweat!

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Out around lunchtime Monday to Friday percent

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for a bit as me. Times in

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the middle of a busy day. That's

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because we read the papers so you

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don't have to.