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Welcome to Oh God What? Now I'm Dorian

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Landscape on Today show Rishi see next Rwanda

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planners past the Commons after vigorous round of

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pingpong with the lord's what happens next to

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what is somehow become see you Next flagship

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policy. plus the local elections are coming next

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week with many to recounts Liz Mair saying

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thanks but no thanks to the Pm what

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Back as Tony Blair has warned that the

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future politics could be a parliament full of

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the weird and the wealthy with a Tory

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majority already eaten away by increasingly bizarre scandals

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Are we already that? I'm Why aren't we

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getting the M P's we deserve? Let's meet

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today's panel. First. His time magazine

0:47

journalist he has been so had high as

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mean hello. So. American media seems

0:52

to be absolutely obsessed with the

0:54

wave of pro Palestine protests on

0:56

college campuses, especially at New York's

0:58

Columbia University Want to the students

1:00

want and how if the authorities

1:03

responded. Yeah. It's been pretty

1:05

surreal. It feels like it's been going

1:07

on for a while, but it's really

1:09

been only recent days that we've seen

1:11

the kind of scale of protests. I

1:13

think we've been observing a major cities

1:16

like London and and the rest are

1:18

basically what's happening. And and as you

1:20

say, this is principally at Columbia, The

1:22

we're also seeing a lot of focus

1:24

at Yale in Connecticut, Al where students

1:26

are effectively creating these big encampments, staging

1:29

these pretty big protests, effectively asking their

1:31

universities to divest from companies with ties

1:33

to Israel. Protests have been I

1:35

would say largely peaceful though of course

1:37

there's been a lot of focus on

1:39

Youtube. Particular elements of these protests were

1:41

there had been chance or even some

1:43

border and semitic slogans that have made

1:45

Jewish students on this campus is feel

1:47

very uncomfortable am I think it's safe

1:49

to say the least from what I've

1:51

read and I've tried to be following

1:53

a lot of the student publications covering

1:55

their emphasis gray find they do at

1:57

the best a lot of these protests

1:59

new. Simpli be peaceful. Lot of them

2:01

seem to include a lot of Jewish students as

2:03

well, so. Faith. with happen

2:06

to be demonstrated that happen in the response

2:08

to them had basically that the university after

2:10

police the com on. Campus and I think

2:12

we in hundred arrested in something been suspended from

2:14

the and or. Space over involvement in

2:17

these protests that in turn has

2:19

triggered even. Faculty at Columbia we've

2:21

seen and scores. The faculty members walk

2:23

out in protest at the way the

2:25

University of Central pizza ministration. So I

2:27

mean to us media has always had

2:29

a fascination with and of how big

2:32

issues play out on university campuses. But

2:34

what we're seeing now is it's actually

2:36

kind of engulf the nice and then.

2:39

You're you know you're seeing leaders call

2:41

for the national guard to be fraught

2:43

and authors also you know. does anyone

2:45

remember? can't stay in Nineteen seven like?

2:48

It's really not good. When.

2:50

You bring in the guys with guns to break

2:52

up student protests. Yeah yeah I think

2:54

there is. Of course the concerned about

2:56

safety. It's an end and you know

2:58

what is? An appropriate

3:00

crackdown? What effect of greed and a

3:03

peaceful student protests are but equally this

3:05

discussion. Of freedom of speech and what

3:07

you know, what responsibility universities have to

3:09

their students help hold it to protect

3:11

it. Because I mean,

3:13

he looked at the history of

3:16

political correctness in the late eighties

3:18

in the early nineties. obsessed with

3:20

anecdotes from campuses. I'm.

3:23

Old. Varies Books about Woke Miss

3:25

obsessed with anecdotes from college

3:27

comes often misrepresents. it's ah,

3:29

anecdotes. Why it

3:31

is the American media I think

3:33

more even more so than British

3:36

media so obsessed with what students

3:38

are saying. we're something very serious

3:40

is happening in Gaza and perhaps

3:42

the should not be the headline

3:45

story. What? What? What? What is?

3:47

It is it that many American

3:49

journalists have been to Columbia, Yale,

3:51

Harvard, so on. I

3:53

think that certainly part of their and mean did

3:56

you know that for a lot of people covering

3:58

be even my own university, my alma mater. The

4:00

University of Southern California was embroiled in

4:02

a kind of Gaza related. And

4:04

all this on making where it basically

4:06

decided to cancel the valedictorian speech and

4:08

assembly for security reasons. For what critics.

4:11

See. As you know them trying to suffer

4:13

for potentially say saying anything he I think

4:15

part of it is that connection but I

4:17

think also part of it comes down to

4:19

the fact that you know I think universities

4:21

in some ways that it seems like a

4:24

bellwether for public opinion in the future. honey.

4:26

Bees. Are seen as the places

4:28

where our future leaders, journalist, lawyers,

4:30

Are ours! are you know? Been. Molded but

4:32

equally. But I think certainly from the

4:35

right there is this idea of the

4:37

sort of liberal campus it being a

4:39

focal point of like and of what

4:42

liberal America? Thanks. And so I feel

4:44

like we have a propensity to naval

4:46

gays, and you know it's worth remembering

4:48

that it's a lot easier for Americans

4:51

have secretly American journalists to focus and

4:53

and hone in on what's happening on

4:55

Us campuses than it is to focus

4:58

on what's happening in Gaza, which continues

5:00

to be cut off from international. Journalists,

5:02

Let's we have a lot of

5:04

campus radicalism in the Sixty's Obviously,

5:06

we had a different kind of

5:08

campus radicalism during that first political

5:11

correctness era and and no point

5:13

says he's had produced a congress.

5:15

Rams. Rammed

5:17

with left the radicals say so maybe

5:19

the future leaders are not gonna be

5:22

the people in the encampment. Hello to

5:24

the author of the Future of Trust

5:26

and host of Jones Maury Ross Taylor

5:28

Hi Rez palate er In ah resume

5:30

acts has promised the Uk largest ever

5:32

military sport package. Ukraine and republican leaders

5:34

in congress have finally after months of

5:36

delay, approved sixty one billion dollars of

5:39

aid. What is the cost of the

5:41

delay for Ukraine? Pretty. High

5:43

and they've been forced to retreat

5:45

and in recent months on a

5:47

number of different fronts and it's

5:50

unclear just how quickly they can

5:52

get this new package of aid

5:54

out to Ukraine. There's also an

5:56

imminent risk in the form. Of

5:58

what Russian says. Celebrate his Victory Day

6:01

on the night of May which is

6:03

when they celebrate victory of Nazi Germany

6:05

and there is speculation that that may

6:07

poots and might want to have a

6:09

bit of a victory to celebrate that

6:11

and therefore might make a push forward

6:13

and it would be frankly difficult to

6:15

get much out to Ukraine. Before then

6:17

then there's been talk of a summer

6:19

offensive and trying to push through a

6:21

small town in Donetsk that would be

6:24

a a cari door to bigger places

6:26

in Ukraine, so I wouldn't like to

6:28

say whether it's too late for. Not.

6:31

Was not a remarkable my Johnson the

6:33

the use of the house speaker busy

6:35

said oh right so so security briefings

6:37

It turns out that this is like

6:39

really bad. And we have to stop

6:41

eating so you can Ukraine! After. Six

6:44

months of blocking it. On

6:47

my way to they think is that like a

6:49

secret room where even the. Dimmest.

6:51

Republican finally gets enough

6:53

information when they go.

6:55

Oh. Poots. And bad.

6:58

Spot. Anyway, sooner once he takes

7:00

base defense spending to two point five cents

7:02

or Tdp by twenty thirty when I'm sure

7:04

he will still be prime minister. I'm the.

7:07

The implication here is to Europe can no

7:09

longer rely on on the Us, particularly if

7:11

Trump returns or indeed any republican president if

7:13

you to, by the looks of it, must

7:16

return to the secret room when budgets it's

7:18

height. Is this something you think labour should

7:20

commit to as well? I mean they've identical

7:23

a fully committed to it, but this any

7:25

been talking about it. They. Have been talking

7:27

about it. They are committed to point five

7:29

percent when resources allow, which is a nice

7:31

elastic terms. Of when right and

7:33

says it's success. When races as it's okay so

7:35

they have the aspiration do that but of course this

7:38

this the next puts the he's on them a bit

7:40

more to to commit. Which is exactly what

7:42

sooner wanted. To be honest we

7:44

moving in this direction. Anyway if you're

7:46

if you listen to what's think tanks

7:48

and then commentators and and the defense

7:51

space as saying which I do is

7:53

pass mice with one of my one

7:55

of my roles. There

7:57

isn't more and more. Talk

7:59

about. right? Europeans.

8:01

Need to realize that they might have to go to war.

8:04

The soldiers have no experience of being

8:06

on the on the battlefield. Most of

8:08

them they've never, you know, assaulted a

8:10

tank column or fourteen a battlefield surrounded

8:13

by swarming drones. There's all these warnings,

8:15

and of course part of this comes

8:17

from a group of people who. Have

8:20

been waiting for an opportunity to make the

8:22

case for more defense spending, so to a

8:25

certain extent you have to be cynical about

8:27

it. But at the same time there is

8:29

no doubt that Russia is a threat. had

8:31

just so, how much of a threat will

8:33

depend on whether he's defeated in Ukraine and

8:35

if he a he's not defeated in Ukraine

8:38

or part of Ukraine's what he chooses to

8:40

do next. But of course it's also worth

8:42

pointing out two point five cent of Gdp

8:44

that to suit up promise is completely unaffordable.

8:47

Apparently you have sex from civil servants

8:49

and they're in and and sake the

8:51

money. Sorry. For the express the

8:53

same but you know for the express the same. Finally,

8:56

his toys radio host and times' columnists

8:58

and general times man about town Hugo

9:00

Rifkind Are you going color? ah don't

9:03

Trump's has money Try to find the

9:05

under way in New York. They they

9:07

managed to find a jury that was

9:09

neither avert li, anti Trump nor too

9:11

terrified to take part. Polls

9:14

We see some polls showing

9:16

Brighton by creeping ahead nationally.

9:19

Or least a bit of an uptick. Trump's

9:21

legal problems let him play the Martha with

9:24

his base but I mean what are the

9:26

norm ease make of all this other an

9:28

enormous. I mean does America still have normal

9:31

people in the middle who another on been

9:33

surprising under his the it's a classic sort

9:35

of suburbs suburban women who coin is birds

9:37

and away from Trump and twenty two on

9:40

his? yeah I mean so Trump is still

9:42

ahead in floating states. Ah, it is quite

9:44

hard to believe that anybody could look at

9:46

him on trial for allegedly paid costs money

9:49

to stormy. Daniels and habits change their view of

9:51

Donald Trump. You know it's not my end of

9:53

the stuff has been in the dark. people know

9:55

who he is, it's free and either to as

9:57

would sooner up for about the the way the

9:59

merch. Media covers process on on campus the

10:01

where people drill down so so so deep

10:04

into it really really want to know what's

10:06

going on? I still have to So many

10:08

years so long after Trump first have entered

10:10

politics was elected, he still didn't see that

10:12

kind of focus on mean I'm not saying

10:14

I couldn't like many one I don't know

10:16

either. it's but it's so from our sensibility

10:18

it's so much more baffling even than bricks

10:20

at where you could see at least what

10:22

people thought they wanted and thought we're guessing

10:25

is very hot. See that with from. For

10:32

thoughts maximizing is where I got what now

10:35

live innocence. And on Monday May the twentieth

10:37

Rose Alex My we live on stage at

10:39

the New Things had the It's of in

10:41

the very Homeland as the Antichrist Coalition. We

10:43

points to a special guest and we've got

10:45

one by Popular Demand. In the wake of

10:47

her barnstorming performance on last week, shouts John

10:49

Ravens will be joining us to grab the

10:51

latest political nightmares and very possibly. Slip.

10:54

Into character is Liz Truss to tell us

10:56

how we've only got ten years to save

10:58

the West. There are very few tickets left

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and a ticket discount in the meantime. Don't

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forget Monday twentieth of May for oh god

11:11

what? Now it's Grim up North London with

11:13

me, Roz, Alex and special guests. Ten Ravens

11:15

will see that. Let's

11:20

begin pretty soon. like safety Rwanda

11:22

Asylum and Immigration Bill is ready to

11:24

receive royal assent. Aftereffects ignite of parliamentary

11:27

ping between the Commons and Lords on

11:29

Monday. Sooner is promising that planes we

11:31

taking refugees they within twelve weeks.

11:33

But will the plan actually work practically

11:36

morally or politically. Roz

11:38

I'm can you explain the purpose of

11:40

the safety of Rwanda Bill. Zip

11:43

make Rwanda safe. Yeah it

11:45

does ah a name. So the paths

11:47

of the business to enable government's deport

11:49

at sea were under asylum seekers for

11:51

arrived via illegal routes which effectively means

11:53

small but it's almost always gather on

11:55

a legal rates so if you are

11:58

claiming asylum the will default. Have. Via

12:00

an illegal route and the way to

12:02

has done is by declaring Rhonda a

12:05

safe country and saying that all courts

12:07

must say must deny any appeals on

12:09

the grounds that round with not as

12:12

a country so the any asylum seekers

12:14

who tries to peel them will will

12:16

automatically feel and they can be deported

12:18

before their case is hurt because their

12:21

case will apparently be heard in Rwanda

12:23

and Rwanda will be able to ground

12:25

the beside it will see how that

12:28

goes. Other about fifty two thousand people

12:30

in this position. Flood.

12:33

Plains. Yes it is and

12:35

say or even if the play the Fool

12:37

it's gonna take some yes to add to

12:39

to spoof them All of that we wish

12:41

we shall see during we shall see. Some

12:43

it sounds like a brilliant plan on

12:45

sending ago romps. What does the most

12:47

wanted Chains. There. Was a lot of

12:50

ping pong which is bounteous the technical term

12:52

yeah for the if and did any of

12:54

those men months succeed know. In

12:56

a word or they would have there were

12:59

lots of moments but it came down in

13:01

the end to key ones which worse that

13:03

the Uk could not six lab Rwanda a

13:05

safe country and still the Uk Veranda treaty

13:08

is implemented. Now the Uk veranda treaty basically

13:10

is. Rhonda proves install some stuff adds who

13:12

allegedly make it safe and so the authors

13:14

of the amendments also wanted a monitoring committee

13:17

to decide that Rwanda has asked. He complied

13:19

with old requirements south ten stay as you

13:21

can imagine that would take long time. Someone

13:24

shot down the second one that was shot

13:26

and. Was an exemption for Afghans who worked

13:28

for the British Armed forces in sort of

13:30

key roles. That means that they're not safe

13:32

in Afghanistan anymore, And that was also. Set.

13:35

Aside. Or

13:37

sugar see Nazis I pleased with himself he says

13:40

no ifs no buts these flights are going to

13:42

rwanda of seats but of him to win a

13:44

vote and to lose one. Is

13:47

this really get a republic? School

13:49

Dividends. I'm in my

13:51

my hunch is no, but it's.

13:54

Minds you know I'm sort of omsk. I'm

13:56

getting a bit wary of saying none of

13:58

this is gonna work from muscles. There is

14:01

a norm. support for stopping the boats hasn't

14:03

either. should be you know is a five

14:05

people died this week. I mean by restoring

14:07

the boats with a thing as also immigration

14:10

is extremely high. A lot of people would

14:12

like immigration to come dance. I'm of is

14:14

most impressionism coming in on illegal but the

14:16

tunnels but it is is is it is

14:18

it's to timing issues this of the number

14:21

of this for Rishi Sumac though is whether

14:23

people associate shipping people to Rwanda with a

14:25

stopping the boats and be lowering immigration right

14:27

and logically. They. Shouldn't because my

14:30

area to the numerical humanity they

14:32

students. Thoughts That being said, none

14:34

of us quite know how these

14:36

things so spread out in currents.

14:38

rumor, ah convention among the dubs

14:40

a legal gang smuggling, channel crossing

14:42

community may is possible or be

14:44

unlikely that this off on this

14:46

notion that hey if you go

14:48

to Britain of and you'd Rwanda

14:51

does indeed spread and have something

14:53

of an impact That what what

14:55

this kind of so comes down

14:57

to though is actually although. You

14:59

think? He's. Got through the difficult but

15:01

this is the difficult but this is the

15:03

really exposed bet. This is the bit where

15:05

actually if it turns out he is even

15:08

in the great dream sending have many was

15:10

two thousand people are most Rwanda's if he

15:12

does have that and are you know overruled

15:14

migration into the country still person the million

15:16

mark on the boats go up and often

15:18

up then that them what the hell's open

15:20

for and the Adam that's what he's right

15:22

on the birds assuming Ogres ahead of being

15:24

exposed to a potential? Is there a gap

15:26

in the polling between people who would like

15:28

to stop the boats and may even support.

15:30

The room and a scheme and principal and

15:32

people who think the disease will actually work

15:35

does not quite the polling I've seen, so

15:37

I don't know. Unabridged features. Did a poll

15:39

saying the basically most people believe amid up

15:41

with a slightly wrong but roughly that this

15:43

poll was. Most people believe that sending people

15:45

to run the in itself is not enough

15:48

to call this policy a success right? right?

15:50

So I'm so which? of course it isn't

15:52

it? A visitor turns up people are dumb.

15:55

As many sega mentioned, the bills being debated as

15:57

five refugees died was on across the channel then

15:59

a small boat. I mean these are these are

16:01

these are desperate people. You do not make this

16:04

choice if you think you've got a lot of

16:06

options. Do you think that. The. Threat

16:08

of Rwanda which as we've been told is very safe

16:10

and fat and humid slump he said safe and the

16:12

London. Safe. In a snot

16:14

safer than and lovely so I think

16:16

the bill says it is. I'm Steve,

16:18

think it really will act as a

16:21

deterrent as I wonder whether if if

16:23

they're fleeing somewhere they they might well

16:25

preferred to golly to wherever they come

16:27

from. right? Yeah and it

16:29

I. I agree with you though, I'm a lot actually

16:31

that as I I think in. The. First

16:33

five courses. It's really just hard to predict. What

16:36

this and but the impact of going to be

16:38

until up the flights actually start setting. Off but

16:40

but t airplane and I don't

16:43

think. That. It people are willing

16:45

to risk their lives to get to

16:47

the Uk and er, tits, it's actually

16:49

to leave where they I, I think

16:51

it and been where that final destination

16:53

is. If indeed, it's better than where

16:55

they currently are. I imagine it's immaterial

16:57

arm and and I think you know

16:59

if there are enough people who are

17:01

still willing to take that risk. And

17:03

I can't imagine the people who responsible

17:05

for smuggling or people across the channel.

17:07

I don't see them. You know I

17:10

can see them wanting to take people's

17:12

money. Regardless of. Of kind of what

17:14

happens on the other side. For. All those

17:16

reasons I'm a bit dubious as to whether.

17:19

The. Passage of this particular like going

17:21

to have an impact of much in

17:23

a way that even top of a

17:25

wonder has merely seems have an impact

17:27

as we saw even as he know

17:30

just this week I've people and losing

17:32

their lives I'm risking the the journey

17:34

across the channel but the point also

17:36

that.the status quo is untenable and in.

17:39

The government. it's Israeli. Thank you to do

17:41

something about it. But this plan which is

17:43

now only senses I think it's gonna cost.

17:46

About. Half a billion pounds totally and but

17:48

been a honey. However much you know your

17:50

average flights, it's a golly ten that the

17:52

thousands of people riled mention. That mean it's

17:54

going to be very expensive. If

17:56

I may a we will cost more to send a

17:58

person to Rwanda. We have. Come within Have. A

18:00

much smoother. Because to send them to

18:03

space. But. That was when I'm paula

18:05

me it's it's one of those things where it's

18:07

like i think you know it's it's the sunk

18:09

cost fallacy. the we we talking about this around

18:11

the scheme for years but if if nobody talks

18:13

well and someone came up with it like now.

18:16

And this is this is what's gonna cost. This is how

18:18

many people we can take and and this is the problem

18:20

that is designed to fix. I.

18:22

Think anybody would just get will know?

18:24

Obviously not. but it's almost like once it

18:27

was up and running and it became like

18:29

a guy knows there at any go saying.

18:32

Within. Seconds, A vacuum of ideas about what.

18:34

To do to stop the boats mean that that's

18:36

the number and the cameras. Tried a few things

18:38

in a series of tweets around the edges and

18:40

managed to gets more Albanian sent back to seek

18:42

to play in that kind of thing. But. But

18:44

it hasn't hit it. Nothing, it's It's dozen

18:46

or so far worked. It's a desperate move.

18:48

It's Last Chance Saloon. If this doesn't work

18:50

for the hell we aren't going to do

18:52

and I is the problem lies the problem

18:55

facing for as don't. Kiss Thomas is

18:57

not as or she seen a i

18:59

always just want to soften and saw

19:01

a note of caution and to sort

19:03

of the the i guess what a

19:05

safe space the liberal assumptions here which

19:07

outlook is less muslim. Rwanda's

19:09

the stupid stupid policy as doesn't you're sunk

19:11

costs point is a brilliant point and and

19:13

very very truths. If he told me the

19:15

Rwanda policy was going to work and do

19:18

everything is said to any point in the

19:20

near future I would be of be like

19:22

astonished if you told me that fifteen years

19:24

from now. Western. Nations Western

19:26

European nations are routinely shipping on

19:28

wanted migrants farm fields to countries

19:31

like Rwanda. I would not be

19:33

surprised at all. So. Actually

19:35

I think in this over in the long

19:38

off arc of history in a bad way

19:40

however absurd this looks I think if we

19:42

treat or only with disdain now rather than

19:44

what really really could be a friend there's

19:47

a major aspects of so foreign policy and

19:49

the and migration over the course of the

19:51

next generation are we we run into danger

19:53

of just of of of of blend ourselves

19:56

for to to pretty good options for us

19:58

is them room for legal challenges Now I

20:00

mean to be talking about obviously the Afghan

20:02

things is via a moral disgrace considering what

20:05

we go on of these people I mean

20:07

are there any exceptions own room for challenges?

20:09

What's your victim of torture Slavery. Children

20:12

Like Way. Where is the is there any

20:14

sorts of hope on that side Only left

20:16

Delaware signed The Well. Your case won't be

20:18

heard in sillier in Rwanda, so you won't be

20:20

able to argue that your. Victim it taught and

20:22

slavery you know you've You are sent off to

20:25

veranda to have. Your case hurts and has

20:27

children it on unaccompanied. Child or they won't

20:29

send you to under. The case will be

20:31

held in Britain's my thought is your part of a family

20:33

you with. How much from is

20:36

therefore legal challenges now? Ah, quite

20:38

a bit. Despite. All the

20:40

government has tried to do, migrants will try

20:42

to appeal. They basically have about twelve days

20:44

in which sake have a window to appeal

20:46

after they've been told festival that that likely

20:48

be on a flight and then that they'll

20:51

definitely be on a flight that custom that

20:53

that window that is wait long enough for

20:55

toy us to move into action. There

20:58

will be possibly with a ding dong

21:00

with supreme court because you'll recall a

21:03

supreme court ruled that Rwanda was not

21:05

a safe country he didn't have checked

21:07

to on the principle of sending people

21:09

abroad. To other. Countries which was

21:11

interesting and speaks to watch. As

21:14

you go, Assange is now I'm about

21:16

it. Said Rwanda was not safe and

21:19

essentially this know overrules the Supreme Court

21:21

Said that creates a big Tennyson between

21:23

in a to the ground his of

21:25

government is basically undermining the judiciary. It's

21:28

interfering with the judiciary algae bloom. They

21:30

will probably be appeals on that basis.

21:32

Then there's the option. Still. Despite.

21:35

What was she Soon I would probably like. Is going

21:37

to the European Court of Human

21:39

Rights? Ah, now the new law

21:41

says that the government can ignore

21:43

any easy a child ruling, but

21:45

if they did, that would be

21:48

awkward to say the least. I

21:50

will vibrate breach of international law

21:52

that has all kinds of ramifications.

21:54

Sometimes countries choose to ignore the

21:56

he chr. For example, phone said but

21:58

put back a blow to. The take

22:00

it down to pushed him as not

22:02

long ago and basically these hr said

22:04

you have to have him back again

22:07

so he was he upset because to

22:09

France again it's not get on the

22:11

that he the you can't necessarily get

22:13

rid of people permanently in this way

22:15

and there are other possible loopholes that

22:17

mean that of as it does as

22:19

clause in the in the treaty with

22:22

Rhonda as that means that. These

22:24

people can't be sent by Rwanda

22:26

to any country except the Uk

22:28

and that potentially opens up scope

22:30

is somebody commits a crime in

22:32

Rwanda, they could in theory be

22:34

deported back to the Uk. So

22:37

we'll see how it goes. Just means

22:40

a Tory right wants to withdraw from

22:42

the Chr in some cases, the United

22:44

Nations Refugee Convention. To yet as Ross

22:46

says it was the Uk Supreme Court

22:48

block the flies last November's. I

22:51

mean it's a real enemy, know the so

22:53

called foreign interference. But. Human Rights

22:55

themselves was they've managed to pin.

22:58

On foreigners temporarily. To

23:02

be honest I think their enemy it so

23:04

every disagrees with them on this let whether

23:06

it's does that, the Community of Human Rights

23:08

or some other community I think of that

23:10

they would face their I am. I think

23:12

we're gonna baffles me though is that and

23:14

and eighty we've seen another example than friends

23:16

that perhaps being that and a clear case

23:18

of just using one sort of issue the

23:20

panacea to solve of the all the others.

23:23

But you know, threatening to lead the Chr would

23:25

create more problems in quite a safe in. The

23:28

poor up Dead sea. it's worth remembering. That of

23:30

all the other countries in the beach and

23:32

outside the Council of Europe, there's Russia and

23:34

Belarus. the that's not really the best company

23:36

that you get. These have magical wanted seats.

23:39

but perhaps the biggest reason thoughtfully the theater,

23:41

the potential impact they would have another islands

23:43

and he say char is a fundamental part

23:45

the Good Friday agreement. I've been digging into

23:47

more this recently, but you know it kind

23:50

of begs the question of if he if

23:52

he were to leave the Chr, whether that

23:54

it would also potentially breach it's commitments under

23:56

the Good Friday Agreement. I just feel like

23:58

they're. Offering. That's one thing as

24:01

a solution that's actually just gonna create many

24:03

more problems. As like leave islam. Stuff.

24:05

Like that and not working out few just

24:07

leave another thing to be fine. Sega will

24:09

play but stand fast on this. I can

24:11

see the mentoring this policy just click costs

24:14

so much. You. Know just because when

24:16

you're next groping around for money and a budget

24:18

and your labour government and you've got this disastrous

24:20

expensive policy you get rid of that thought. that

24:22

is again. I mean as I went back to

24:24

that's Not Save Icon safety to our a labour

24:27

government government's don't want to handle my grandson's of

24:29

same weight as like a Kiss Dollars kind of

24:31

the migrant crisis to Adam the admins and I'd

24:33

a well I'm sure he will mostly deal with

24:35

and a more sane way by focusing more on

24:38

crossings themselves. Ah thus not to say they went

24:40

so full into the trough have been a map

24:42

risk of biscuits thinking some it on the line

24:44

as well. But. I think

24:46

the a single bene. Israel it's remarkable.

24:48

Test the stomach is it's fascinating. The

24:51

it is fascinating, the contrast between wanting

24:54

to be tough migration. Which he will

24:56

be and he will prompt actually

24:58

has to be. And the rule

25:00

of law enough. And the way

25:02

that he has always prioritized because

25:04

of his history and the kind

25:06

of guy years the rule of

25:08

law says whatever solution he might

25:10

have to this problem will not

25:12

involve breaching international knows I might

25:14

be some the A might cynicism.

25:17

Indiana Is it possible that see

25:19

Cchr and own records he writes

25:21

an Asylum might change in the

25:23

next few? That is something. That is

25:25

entirely possible, and we sort of them. pretty talk

25:27

about much, but it's think it's been. Dollars

25:43

Have a question of what about pets him

25:46

back as in but your emails if he

25:48

supposes impatient. You too can submit questions to

25:50

the panel. This week it's just Stevenson who

25:52

asks what methods geez to read books d

25:54

Speed read I mean Dorians book. his buddy

25:56

huge for you will read his in about

25:58

five minutes. City that. The audiobook some plane

26:01

will walk nine but you want to point

26:03

out my book is not bloody. Used his

26:05

four hundred pages as a reasonable is a

26:07

scholar like source notes and index and all.

26:09

Last does Not huge. It's a quick read.

26:11

Fun. It's great. Everyone loves it a way

26:14

moving on. Pseudo.

26:17

Yes, you just did. Did you read my

26:19

books? It's. Like I

26:21

interviewed you about your but on two hundred

26:24

and yeah I'm too I think out of

26:26

dodge. Damn good job of doing off. I'm

26:28

ready. Definitely read it out of impressive what

26:30

I mean. You do have to read quite

26:33

a lot books to in see people are

26:35

on the radio. You have I believe just

26:37

but prize guess who I joined opposite sides

26:39

of the when gates. Price of bad to

26:42

do spot price some five or six his

26:44

guts, palace analysts files of the stuff he.

26:46

I'm so so happy! Dance! You get

26:49

three them. There. Are different rules.

26:51

the I have made up to ten pounds

26:53

depending on what you're doing. If you judging

26:55

a book prize you got read the books.

26:57

Ah, unless you very quickly side the buffs dreadful in

27:00

than it does know it's going to win the bright

27:02

enough and no better feeling you know of no better

27:04

feeling you I feel as often as possible if you

27:06

are interviewing somebody for. Prints. About

27:08

the but for your viewing A but you gotta

27:10

read the book and you can read all the

27:12

but otherwise you are lying and not doing your

27:14

job Broadcasting Caesar a bit different. I find sometimes

27:16

you do indeed want to read the book because

27:19

you know considers just the nature of the book

27:21

and she's not going to work. If you don't

27:23

have know it's not impossible you might want to

27:25

read a book that does happen the amount of

27:27

or us indeed don't human the have time to

27:29

read all the books I interviewed people about on

27:31

my show to that would involve reading for five

27:33

bucks a week and I'm get been on a

27:36

lot get But also I'll say this cassidy. And

27:38

certainly not about yogurt or an adult books.

27:40

A bullshit rice, a lot books or sixty

27:42

the kind of them books that the make

27:44

the media to become discussion points and much

27:47

I love books or a column and a

27:49

lot more books or three columns and a

27:51

best a lot of books. Five Play got

27:53

one point I make a lot and suggested

27:55

generally speaking you can go a long way

27:58

in understanding of but certainly not to talk

28:00

about it. they're sending a to find out

28:02

more information from the press is ruined it

28:04

by reading the introduction. I mean really to

28:06

is one introduction is hop. Also final point

28:09

surface of the to not ready to just

28:11

read minded absence of actually. Weirdly enough if

28:13

you're doing an audio interview with somebody. Sometimes.

28:16

You almost don't want to read the book,

28:18

because if you have read the book in

28:20

it's entirety, you can end up having a

28:22

conversation for the listener is rather excluded. Because.

28:25

The two of you know stuff that the listener dozens

28:27

is not like Up it's not like a Prince interview

28:29

where it's your job as the person is conducts the

28:32

anti to present that the reader and that this was

28:34

all the information they might need. the something a bit.

28:36

Mad. About doing a an audience youths

28:38

were you first announced everything was in a

28:41

book to the person is redness and then

28:43

asked them to say it again like what's

28:45

your little about yeah not the worst, I

28:47

was not the west question yeah ah runs

28:49

use Ah Amisom as Eve is enormously am

28:51

brought you a lot for jumps morrow use

28:54

their easy as as but Friday and for

28:56

all of that says the Highlands you're reading

28:58

skills. Know outside and say i

29:00

mean i agree with with see them that

29:02

most books. Are far too long.

29:05

So. Add reading the yet and session often

29:07

as well the conclusion or they sometimes the

29:09

conclusion. essentially with heats the instance in which

29:11

is it was some extremely annoying. But seventh,

29:13

it can be useful to read both guess

29:15

and sets in terms of not reading one

29:17

of them. For audio interface I find that

29:19

works for me because my son of conference

29:21

he said be about half an hour and

29:24

I don't find that can sustain a full

29:26

kind of half hour conversation about single book

29:28

without having read it. But I think but

29:30

it's still it still says that's fine Also

29:32

miss you are going to try and scheme

29:34

it which I do. Do quite a lot.

29:36

You can also get a sense of what

29:38

don't know through is pursuing a rabbit hole

29:40

as one eyes are just almost finished. Now

29:42

at that which which he if he's he's

29:44

got the it is born at our say

29:46

about walks out give it away face of

29:48

it is Bonnie and he just carried on

29:50

a basset outlets and you can just eat

29:52

are you can say cat those fifty pages

29:54

quite easily up so that doesn't have with

29:56

you during ever spy. Other advice would be

29:58

to see to trying to hold the hard

30:00

copy because although I quite often say to

30:02

semi the Pts it is harder to speed

30:04

read Pts really suddenly found. Com is I hated

30:07

summers This is a me What happened was is

30:09

basically like a job ah his job thing as

30:11

it was started when I started buying books and

30:13

you basically have to read a lot of books

30:15

and than of see through. Recess origin

30:17

stories such as you do to the just

30:19

have to become faster as you you can't

30:21

speed read fiction. Well

30:24

you can in certain circumstances by would

30:26

say that this to I have two

30:28

kinds of reading I have normal person

30:30

reading. You. Know the sort of

30:32

Baguio. Enjoying the pros and you're reading a

30:34

bit before bed and so on. And then

30:36

it's like reading for work where you basically.

30:39

You're. Looking for what you need? So I read

30:41

i'm Liz Truss his book and it was like

30:43

ninety minutes. I just sat down as nine minutes

30:45

but read the whole thing. I. Was picking out

30:48

lines and as I read it with a certain kind of

30:50

sense of what I was looking for. So then if it

30:52

was skimming or just. Reading. Fast and

30:54

there were certain likes to End of the world's but

30:56

there were certain like and would ya novels whatever about

30:58

the Ems well which I was reading in an hour

31:00

and priests library where you just. Yeah,

31:02

a desk and you just huge tearing through. And

31:04

if somebody does when A: what was the relationship

31:06

between Missouri and Alice, how are you able to

31:09

tell you? But I would be able to tell

31:11

you that I died in a pandemic, you know?

31:13

And so it's It's all about like what you

31:15

reading for you. Reading purely for pleasure? Are you

31:17

reading in order to oust the A with that

31:19

questions which is have a sense of what he

31:22

sees As I got older I hated that thing

31:24

where they're all these famous books that you haven't

31:26

read on like that one. I just I feel

31:28

like he should at least read. you know I

31:30

Randall. The. Road to serfdom or

31:32

whatever and at least have a sense

31:34

of like what's going on, even if

31:37

I'm moving fast. So it's like. I

31:39

do. I do think that there are these two kinds

31:41

of reading, and I'm sure that if I ever did

31:43

a book prize it sounds. Awful.

31:46

You that the again it's another kind of reading

31:48

again cause you just going like is this good.

31:51

Essentially. And then you narrowing it down.

31:53

What about? What about Uma? Yes, municipal

31:55

of reading for reset? See? yeah. Yet and

31:57

i think the me we as a that thing.

32:00

The challenge Etti Gaelic adopt kind of a lot

32:02

of the village has you on mentioned and I

32:04

find some times as you were saying door and

32:06

if if I'm reading a book for like a

32:08

specific interview or something I know what I want

32:10

to ask about often you know you can catch

32:12

yourself. Maybe. Sort of starting to fast

32:14

forward a bit their bit for valid the sisters this

32:16

is how but I need your I think the biggest

32:18

challenge for me is actually carving out the time. To.

32:21

Do the reading of. I find that

32:23

most my passion for work. Weirdly I

32:25

mean I find that most of my

32:27

days than like on calls are writing

32:29

a reporting and and even like in

32:31

preparation like for an interview or something

32:33

factory a book I felt more fun

32:35

doing it on my own time I'm

32:37

which means I need to carve out

32:39

time. That. And of ideal

32:41

for eating and and I think for me like

32:43

the biggest example of that like if I'm commuting

32:45

somewhere I'm in I have the time and I

32:48

leave on sandwiches a big s opting to take

32:50

the bus. For. Are often did, opting to seek

32:52

a journey where I know when to be able to sit down

32:54

and just. Car. About twenty minutes

32:56

of just read Anglogold the.of the Addison. For

32:58

me the biggest thing is is carving out

33:01

the time or you can. Can.

33:03

It be alone metics have a T and just

33:05

sell them to it. Because I found the

33:07

when I I kind of sweet is about how many books

33:09

I read for research and superior like I don't worry that

33:12

many books and any do have to say. well it's tedious.

33:14

Work on a Tv critic. I'm

33:16

Chris Been a fairly good news.

33:18

fairly normal me to watch. Twelve

33:21

to Fifteen hours of Tv. Two weeks or

33:23

more people. Oh my God. How could you

33:25

watch fifteen As a Tv We're supposed to

33:27

is literally my job is one hundred and

33:29

fifty an ounce of accountancy with you know

33:31

it's like right it is is Geico you

33:33

for in a lot of dentistry Any non

33:35

partisan I was raised as as as an

33:37

automatic gunfire. Next

33:43

up the local elections the just round

33:46

the corner on second of May circles.

33:48

on everybody's calendars, Voters will elect Ten

33:50

Metro Man's Thirty Nine Police and Crime

33:52

Commission is twenty five members of the

33:54

London Assembly and several thousand local councillors.

33:56

Some conservative counsellors have admitted feeling very

33:58

restless and wants. He like Westminster

34:01

arm's length, relatively popular resume as Andy

34:03

Street and Ben How to the barely

34:05

Running as Tories at all. One senior

34:07

Tory told the Guardian M P's aren't

34:09

on the battlefield this time. It's like

34:11

the song without the Generals was with

34:13

this topic or references to three and

34:15

please. Everybody knows the results would be

34:17

bad the always. But how seriously should

34:19

we take rumors of leadership challenge? If

34:21

soon act drags down a street? Option

34:23

to go. Ruff. Briefly, what is the

34:25

doomsday scenario for soon hat and what would

34:27

count as a good night for hims Ben

34:29

Hutchens as he could want to look up

34:31

I think Andy Street is very possibly doomed.

34:33

Ah I think of from in and and

34:35

like for perspective a penthouse in his know,

34:37

very well known managed murmured thirties valley has

34:39

his profile outside his body is is not

34:41

is an enormous I expect we'll have an

34:43

awful lot about if he claims on some

34:45

the you'll be this template toy that is

34:48

pounding began. What about for years but like

34:50

and of the way. some people claim to

34:52

have always been into the Velvet Underground. so

34:54

thanks. To look, I think

34:56

that the nightmare scenario for as soon

34:58

as it's almost like not quite so

35:00

precise about these particular figures. the nightmare

35:02

scenario for him is if he ends

35:05

up with an awful lot of mps

35:07

who in their own constituencies have seen

35:09

Tory counsellors wiped out. as that

35:11

defects very directly on what can be happening

35:14

for them in the election. So I mean

35:16

I think the numbered the numbers that talking

35:18

about in was an expectation that they can

35:20

lose boundaries of Kansas five hundred early saying

35:23

that they're that they're talking about but yeah

35:25

I'm in the it'll it'll be based the

35:27

about how comfortable individual I'm always feel afterwards

35:29

now elisa challenge would produce for Tory Pm

35:32

in a single parliament's. And

35:34

and it's not good to have that

35:37

many I say Town S M M

35:39

it is. It Really conceivable, it doesn't

35:41

seem like it would projects you know,

35:43

confidence and vigor on the path that

35:45

party for. when things calm be worse.

35:48

They. Can't be worse right? Adam? I mean

35:50

did like like genuinely and it's so so

35:53

well it would be mods objects of li

35:55

it would be mad for them to replace

35:57

the lead us. Can. You confidently

35:59

they that the Conservatives wouldn't do better if

36:01

Penny Modern was leading that that things can.

36:04

Any I had with things can only get

36:06

better Quest the I can confidently said i

36:08

think it's It's certainly very possible they do

36:10

worse thought that's not actually us over a

36:12

man gamble to take if things are really

36:14

really really that bad. That

36:17

being said, I think they probably didn't the next election

36:19

with wishes unit or that would be my expectations. You

36:21

think the result. Who. In one way

36:24

or another could affect the general election

36:26

date. If he does very

36:28

well. Ah I'm in better to the

36:30

was under very well. If he does unexpected the

36:32

well then I imagine he would try and do

36:35

it sooner. the that of course itself can be

36:37

Daves To is Made will Need it's surprisingly Weldon

36:39

Local elections and immediately before she added Disasters Latin

36:41

so I mean that.the in the to don't necessarily

36:44

relay in that way. but yes stuff the manner

36:46

in which of it relates to the expectation is

36:48

they will do badly and lost the election movie

36:50

further away. either. Now not so that

36:53

I agree with as as soon as this

36:55

is a do really badly and he senses

36:57

a leadership challenge my ip man's voice is

36:59

imminent t which is say right standard as

37:01

the country wasn't until I. Pull The trigger.

37:03

Yes. He's actually genuinely he doesn't

37:05

want to see that leadership contest

37:07

happen. Gonna. Have a service

37:09

Want to see a half a season system as

37:12

in any way to this address. Back he

37:14

asserts it's. Almost a more dignified way of guys.

37:16

It's funny I thought, and it's taking of and out

37:18

with you. Bought it for any sort. Ah

37:21

Rose the to remain campaign that still

37:23

it's bizarre to me undies streets as

37:25

in green. Insist. That his own

37:28

man and his associates. is he running

37:30

it like a the Tory party? Or

37:32

at least as if the Tory party

37:34

doesn't exist. Ever wouldn't

37:36

eve time I have no no it's of pharmaceuticals

37:38

of a I mean on my you know I've

37:40

got a as I said last week is is

37:42

on the see toys I've got a respectful but

37:44

perhaps cause he's really trying not to be one.

37:48

That's about the the even if if

37:50

say stream house and reelected but reelected

37:52

basically by going. Is nothing to

37:54

do with me. Make a hugs onto a

37:56

fair to him by saying have never met

37:58

the man last. As A As A. I mean,

38:00

they could sell open source, could celebrate, but it's not. Is

38:03

a nice victory. He's not a good play Sunday

38:05

series me that was been semi detached from the

38:07

Conservative party in a way that he he wasn't

38:09

a career politician for in I came from John

38:11

Lewis and that's his big thanks. I am. He's

38:14

always been careful as well to separate to

38:16

distance himself from because have to party when

38:18

as he needs to And the obvious example

38:21

of that was when than the same boat

38:23

of h as to whether banning to much

38:25

to lake was canceled his arms and he

38:27

basically was very angry about that. We made

38:30

it clear that he was very angry about

38:32

that. He knows that Labour will probably win

38:34

the next general election, so that means he

38:37

won't. Benefit. Any longer. from

38:39

being a Tory, he's quite pleased with

38:41

some of the ways in which he

38:43

says he's be able to some say

38:45

cup local funding regional funding said that

38:47

region said have to beg for money

38:49

on came kind of from Little Pops.

38:52

And he's quite pleased about and he

38:54

says that by the bombing was benefited

38:56

from that By the same time Birmingham

38:59

demi as complex as as well. Because.

39:01

In the pussy? The local council bombing of

39:03

A complete sense of the moment. It's intolerable

39:05

financial difficulties, It's have to push through

39:08

massive massive councils at council, tax increase

39:10

in huge cuts to public services. Now

39:12

he logic see shouldn't really associate street

39:14

with that, but some people men. And

39:17

reform is eating well. As for if

39:19

you look at the As A as

39:21

A Birmingham race. Stupid

39:23

and lot better for form. didn't exist since

39:26

you think could the results cause an even

39:28

bigger panic? That. Are already is about

39:30

the reform threat. With that must have that will

39:32

look This is actually happens now. Yeah,

39:35

I mean the reform threat is actually

39:37

greater in local elections. I think the

39:39

general election because the stakes over with

39:41

lower as far as the electric a

39:43

censored and in isolation and labor hasn't

39:45

yet generated much enthusiasm nationally which frankly

39:48

I would hope that it would do

39:50

during a general election campaign and people

39:52

might have feel energized which fairly that

39:54

that.at the moment and they don't feel

39:56

that Labour is an exciting and in

39:58

new. Option. The. Question

40:00

I think voters might be asking themselves

40:02

about reform is when you're council, has

40:04

very little money is almost all council's

40:06

do. now. do you want reform counsellors

40:09

deciding where that money goes? Now you

40:11

may think that there's loads of bloke

40:13

spending to be cut or you may

40:15

think I bought grown ups in charge

40:17

when running a council is so difficult

40:19

for the moment and all these really

40:21

hard choices are having to be made

40:23

and as we seen reform candidates some

40:25

some not six cases think is. To

40:27

depends if you want of really really big

40:29

stooges a parade. Yes, I suppose

40:32

that, but Css or it's said, it'll

40:34

be. It'll be interesting. For that way

40:36

to the other two are Yasmin at

40:38

one am, Piosa Dorset counsellor How he

40:40

could help. And was told stay

40:42

away that's the best thing you've got.

40:44

No added value. Our

40:47

So everyone likes to here I'm now in

40:49

the U S of is the local got

40:51

me local have read suit is something very

40:53

different to the and we have. They have

40:55

a federal system for all this similarly popular.

40:59

Have sort of maverick local politicians

41:01

who at the moment a trying

41:03

not to ah attach themselves to

41:05

closely. To. Trample Biden people who

41:07

source of running on their own. I

41:12

think we definitely seen it in the path

41:14

that I expect. Especially. It's honey,

41:16

honey Fork or November that his cleats

41:18

close and that will see. it's more

41:20

that and yeah, particularly the state level.

41:22

I mean, I certainly think governors and

41:24

and senators grapple with saddle appeal. It's

41:26

a large swaths of voters are simultaneously

41:28

keeping devices say years like Trump am

41:30

at arm's length and still one example

41:32

of a couple of years old. Now

41:34

when young can use that republican governor

41:37

for Virginia none, he had to do

41:39

this. sort of like tricky balancing act

41:41

when it came to not wanting to

41:43

be too close to Trump, especially in

41:45

the aftermath. I think that january sixth

41:47

by biting some. In particular

41:49

this year when I'm really keen to

41:52

see is how legally progressive democrats handle

41:54

the presidential contest mean if you think

41:56

someone like proceeded to lead for example

41:58

representing it consists. The Michigan, which of

42:01

course semi a lot of attention on

42:03

because that's one of the key swing

42:05

states that biden. So when and of

42:07

course that also happens to be with

42:09

his hear a lot of criticism against

42:11

Fight and for how it's handling the

42:13

war in Gaza, so one can really

42:15

fathom any sort of democrats saying anything

42:17

that would. You. Know be misconstrued

42:19

as a supporting Trump it anyway, but

42:21

at the same time it may be

42:23

really difficult for them to sort of,

42:25

so the line of selling their voters

42:27

to back democrats will simultaneously distancing themselves

42:30

from the policies that they really don't

42:32

like. I think is interesting that

42:34

with the with the man's the you get

42:36

people like and history or even Andy Burnham.

42:39

A result you know sort of these not

42:41

trying to complete to distance himself from life

42:43

of the very very proud of being independent

42:45

is quite anything. And his politics was in

42:47

American politics that year because of the Federal

42:50

system has been enough for a for a

42:52

long time. He got a cigarette. London, I'm

42:54

blisters always saying what are you to more

42:56

about London's we're going to see that was

42:58

it's front of a blinds both from yeah,

43:00

London is no yeah In the latest posts

43:02

The Corners and Forty Six Percent and Tory

43:04

Oddball, Susan Hall is on Twenty Seven Percent

43:06

and Nineteen Point Gop but narrower than it

43:08

used to be. Especially in outer London scans.

43:11

people are worried about sanctions voting system.

43:13

See you as past the post without

43:15

second preference votes. It means that equally

43:17

supports use of garbage The Greens or

43:19

lib dem Room blackie I'm I'm surprised.

43:21

Would you be if if he lost

43:23

very surprised. People think Rwanda's the stupidest

43:25

thing with toys didn't win over is

43:27

not this. The marrow cancer deaths is

43:29

remarkable. The extent to which sees per

43:31

pupil of city com should be in

43:34

trouble. you know I like him is

43:36

my kind of mass, but you know

43:38

London as bad as difficult. Reputation and own

43:40

did. there is a problem with noise crimes.

43:42

There was clearly a problem with police since

43:44

there are so huge cost of living. problem

43:46

said The Bag. The city is it in

43:48

a lot of respects. Looks like it's falling

43:50

apart with polls and everything, and well, not

43:52

all of that falls directly of them as

43:54

door people think it does. so we ought

43:56

to be in real trouble. The fact that

43:58

the terms of control. The candidates who is

44:01

even less attractive than a what eight

44:03

year now encumbered math system was pretty

44:05

special out runs that let's look elsewhere.

44:07

See the Northeast where there is a

44:09

new Merrill see Jamie Driscoll is running

44:12

as as pendant of to being left

44:14

of the labour shoeless and he's become

44:16

a hero on the Ansi Starmer last

44:18

because there was a real sense of

44:20

injustice They had been had been blocked.

44:22

That's what are his chances of defeating

44:25

Labor's Kim Mcguinness. It's a sorts of.

44:27

Obviously there's a big labor wave coming,

44:29

but is also. Quite a lot

44:31

of action on my last. Yeah, I

44:33

think is tells the pretty good skill

44:35

appeal to voters who think that Labour

44:38

isn't all that us. There is a

44:40

question about whether voters think if I

44:42

got later math. Their. Resume will

44:44

get more money. That. Depends on

44:47

whether you think labour going to be rewarding

44:49

regions you have a life a match or

44:51

whether you think labor's going to be barley

44:53

up price. It isn't going to do that

44:56

kind of fatally poop our politics, but I

44:58

don't know if people are going to. and

45:00

Daschle thinking that degree of step his opponent

45:02

Kim Mcguinness the at that a the candidates

45:05

is the Northumbria Police and Crime. Commissioner

45:07

say what he's trying to do is

45:09

exploited by attacking her record on crime

45:11

and say. I wouldn't might make any

45:13

predictions bad sets that race, but I think

45:16

his chances. Are fairly good because we was could

45:18

be was it the some people are the media

45:20

who who will be looking for the it's bad

45:22

for sama. Yeah, story and

45:24

that one of the possibilities, Yes, But

45:26

Labour is also quite about new voter

45:29

id rules. You've argued that people need

45:31

Id to vote than everybody should be

45:33

issued some for free. The Id card

45:35

was controversial defeat for Tony Blair. Do

45:38

you think that these rules. Justify.

45:40

It Now, even if you're a little

45:42

so greasy about it, still. Do It Today.

45:44

I mean a with actually pull by the coalition governments

45:47

and Tony Blair so many keen on it. He wrote

45:49

a paper with William Hague recently. For the got

45:51

to make this a lot of this which is why

45:53

didn't deliver a I was that there was that I

45:55

was on Civil Liberties opposite it's I'd I'd I thought

45:57

about this a lot for a chance more episode on

45:59

there. Because we did been a plug their

46:01

sorry guys but in a different things we the

46:04

people both sides and symbol of it aside and

46:06

little pragmatic. Side and Liam Byrne is very

46:08

big advocate for kind of thanks. And

46:10

I ended up thinking that although we

46:12

don't have an Id, cards are details

46:15

are held by the stay at so

46:17

many levels that we are effectively a

46:19

kind of papers please decide to. It's

46:21

just that not always papers are being

46:23

demanded, it's other forms of forms of

46:26

identity and passwords and all the rest

46:28

of it's hates him are see the

46:30

Benefits system the Nhs if you could

46:32

actually bring those together in a logical

46:34

way would say the had great deal

46:36

of hassle and the question is whether

46:39

doing that and bringing. Them together

46:41

would be unacceptably. Authors have

46:43

a thing to do. Whether. It

46:46

would potentially give the government too

46:48

much power. To. Manipulate

46:50

databases. Now I tend to think the

46:52

government already has that power is it

46:54

wishes to use it. It's been incredibly

46:56

stupid and messy. The requirement? Voter Id

46:59

because we don't have it, and quite

47:01

a lot people don't because they don't

47:03

have a passport. Were driving licence for

47:05

whatever reason. Why should they necessarily have

47:07

to have either those things? Councils have

47:09

an obligation to issue Id to voters

47:11

Who does have a but that is

47:13

a hassle. You have to be produced

47:16

multiple other forms of Id in order

47:18

to obtain it's it's been really. Badly

47:20

handled. it's democratically I think. just

47:22

unacceptable to say cry if he

47:24

wanted. If you want to fulfill

47:27

his basic democratic rights, we got

47:29

a force you to obtain this

47:31

document and this kind of documents.

47:34

That to me is. Just

47:36

wrong for my life is bugged him as

47:38

easy when I learn to drive ago. Drug

47:40

licence Most aside, this is really useful. It's

47:42

a card with your photo and your address

47:44

on it which is accepted as Id everywhere.

47:47

And. The a freak out about losing at

47:49

the same way to live and how that

47:51

have sent my possible everywhere and increasingly so

47:53

when it's really annoying of Yasmin for yo

47:55

I'm is anything you'd like to highlight for

47:58

the local election night parties. That would. Sweeping

48:00

the nation like any particular parts

48:02

of the country where you think

48:04

oh this is gonna tell us.

48:07

Which. Way the wind is blowing. Yeah. The Uk

48:09

version of Iowa is other. I was

48:11

actually trying to figure out what the

48:13

Bellwethers wire and and the local government

48:15

information unit thing think that she had

48:17

some really interesting sat on the some

48:19

species of that they're only. Sixteen.

48:22

Conservative controlled councils that are up for

48:24

election this year which are that was

48:26

really a single movie as it seems

48:28

that that probably means that what we

48:30

may not see the headlines that we

48:32

saw last year of and of the

48:34

Conservatives losing them hundreds of i just

48:36

obsession though digestible seats but I'm equally.

48:38

but I think because of that because

48:40

there's so few I think a lot

48:42

of attention will be paid to those

48:44

steroids or majority's and places like Lost

48:46

Or and Dorsa which hitting the Liberal

48:48

Democrats are strong contenders adequately pull a

48:50

thin. And a scene is about litter

48:52

a while now. Labor made some considerable games

48:54

last year. And

48:56

I think apparently would only need two more

48:59

seats to have full control of the council

49:01

so that I'll be interesting to watch both.

49:03

That is another one my thing. No party

49:05

is held the majority since Twenty nineteen belabor

49:08

pretty close. Yeah, I mean I will probably

49:10

just be focusing on London to them and

49:12

American you've. Been scared the hell

49:14

out of a team to see what what

49:16

happened at the a player. List

49:19

to send in photos of your local lakes

49:21

in my party's. Takes.

49:25

Costume parties or however you some. And

49:39

then. We

49:41

rescinded so sort of the stories that

49:43

have gone under the radar this week:

49:46

Ah, pseudo marshmallows. Marshmallows

49:48

on not confectionery. Marshmallows,

49:51

A Cooking ingredients This was

49:53

decided and course ah because

49:56

some the tax man marshmallow

49:58

man with a smile. Yeah,

50:00

let's remove big big marshmallow this earth

50:02

fishy the taxman once it's in Hoffman

50:04

and pans big marshmallow because this has

50:06

been vs your marshmallows as a boom

50:08

and paying them and big most mellow

50:10

one answered. there's no Vietti pebble on

50:12

most balanced costs reminiscent of the great

50:15

Jaffa cake tobaccos or which is where

50:17

my stomach aches to had been deemed

50:19

to be cake. So this Big Jeff

50:21

Cake Debates is the room to escape

50:23

to because the rights of caped by

50:25

his which end is the top of

50:27

A to protect those According to Jessica

50:29

X, the. Chocolate is on the bottom. Lots.

50:32

Now I like to go. fuck that riots. Why.

50:35

Is he thinks that's what Mr. Mr. Jaffa

50:37

thinks? that's without even at the them yeah

50:40

that's on chance to admit mcsame a mug

50:42

with as mug with his weight in a

50:44

few years ago and responded to a tweet

50:46

clarifying this one some rural saying i'll just

50:48

a case go through a reservoir of chocolates

50:50

or the shockers on the bottom. Us

50:53

up. The wrong

50:55

people are in charge of

50:57

straws. I'm quite annoyed enough.

50:59

Come at a moment's they've ruled that. Nice

51:01

fries and cameo presenting Timothy be nice during

51:03

the election period because he's not setting position

51:06

soon as he stands as a member of

51:08

parliament, which he might. Still do on a

51:10

probably unlikely. Cause he can't be So

51:12

if any particular seats he is that

51:14

his the to carry on during this

51:16

period presenting albeit not actually reading the

51:19

news. Which is that? A Since that's

51:21

important and and some might say that

51:23

C B News is already a very

51:25

very very right wing channel. yeah I'm

51:27

and so that it wouldn't really make

51:29

much different than the pregnancy way of

51:32

looking. A Worried about the principal. Yes

51:34

I am. You know it's a regulated channel as

51:36

you're gonna have a regulated channels and you have

51:38

to follow the rules and s this is he

51:40

had C B News. Is. Managed to were

51:42

basically get random and and

51:44

think. This is a bad saying. A

51:47

basically they have called said most people we

51:49

we are quite of people we'll focus groups

51:51

and they said they didn't really know

51:53

how they felt about politicians presenting news channels

51:55

so he said okay them. And

51:58

a case, but it's not your job. This isn't

52:00

focus groups. Your job is to make her

52:02

a decision based on expertise and the. Law.

52:06

Anywhere, From

52:08

five not all the out soon had psoriasis elitist

52:10

is now I'm a celebrity conscious of com you

52:12

can't trust him Have it is yes mean what

52:14

is your under the radar. And

52:16

so I've been anticipating. As many

52:19

observers, the launch of a aid

52:21

flotilla civilian Aid flotilla to does

52:23

that from Istanbul You you may

52:26

recall that I think they they've

52:28

done many of these types of

52:30

flotilla which are really designed sort

52:33

of. Break. The blockade of

52:35

Gaza by Israel. The most prominent one

52:37

was in Twenty Ten, which unfortunately ended

52:39

up being fed tragic incident where I'm

52:41

the Israeli navy boy did he said

52:43

send named one of them. Ten Turkish

52:45

aid workers were killed. or nine at

52:47

the time. One was in a coma

52:50

for many years and then died thereafter

52:52

from his wounds. But there's a new

52:54

flotilla that's funny attempt to break the

52:56

blockade, bringing with them five thousand tons

52:58

of aid. In any event, I think

53:00

that's. Something. To watch. Obviously after

53:02

the whole the World Central Kitchen incident

53:04

I'm I think there's obviously going to

53:07

be a lot of so guess on.

53:10

Yeah. Sort of. What? The

53:12

responses to this but but I'll be setting

53:14

that. The biggest issue is is that the

53:16

Foothills saying that they won't allow Israeli authorities

53:18

to check on, but it's that they're bringing

53:20

their allowing for authorities from wherever they're leaving

53:22

to. So yeah that's one that I'll be

53:25

watching on the expects whoop of again obtain

53:27

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53:32

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