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Plant vs. Animal Proteins

Released Thursday, 15th September 2022
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Plant vs. Animal Proteins

Plant vs. Animal Proteins

Plant vs. Animal Proteins

Plant vs. Animal Proteins

Thursday, 15th September 2022
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here's what my or anyone

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else's opinion is, always

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you care about is , the science

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says what does the best available

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of evidence published? in the peer-reviewed medical literature

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have to say right now, welcome

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to the nutrition facts were on

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your host dr michael greger,

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there

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has been a history of enthusiasm

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for protein and nutrition

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world protein

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recommendations more than twice with you

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no

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one a public health case for

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modernizing the definition

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and twenty ninety doctor david

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cats and colleagues including one of my favorite

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researchers david jenkins publisher public

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health case for modernizing the definition

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of protein quality of the prevailing

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definition seems to have more to do with

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bio chemistry than the net a sex

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on human health the , the concept

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of protein is good and the more the better

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coupled with a protein called a definition that favors

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animal protein protein the

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impression that eating more meat eggs and

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dairy is desirable prefer will

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split this is directly opposed

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to nutrition guidelines that are said trying to push

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more push are the protein

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malnutrition still prevalent in many areas

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of the world is exceedingly rare

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and the industrialized world where the most

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formidable public health threat is not something like

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kwashiorkor and protein calorie malnutrition

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but from chronic diseases

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in 2016, a landmark

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study published at a harvard involving more than

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people replacing animal

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protein with plant was

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associated with lower risk of dying prematurely

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the worst seem to

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be processed meat, like bacon as well

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as egg protein the egg butt

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slapping and even just cent

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protein for any of the animal protein meat

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on process

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me chicken fish eggs or dairy

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associate with a significantly lower risk

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of arguably the most important

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and point of all yeah,

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but do we know the protein? the

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researchers adjusted for factors such as saturated

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fat intake, which suggested it wasn't just,

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the animal fat, okay?

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but i'm your body even know the difference between protein

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and protein from an animal isn't

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protein protein? no, unlike

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animal protein, plant proteins, gym low

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branched chain, amino acids for example, and

2:29

decrease consumption of of branched chain, amino acids,

2:31

improve metabolic health, could

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be the a cancer promoting growth

2:38

that is boosted by so-called high quality

2:40

animal protein intake though, we suspect,

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the igf-1 connection is and effect

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since people are born, they have

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higher igf-1 levels, regardless of

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what they appear, december, high rates of killers

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like type two diabetes and heart

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disease the

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harvard researchers didn't control for such

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as toxic pollutants like that oxens and pcbs

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since they tend to accumulate up the food

3:02

chain in cattle, pigs chickens and

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fish in there for end up on a plate

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supply based protein also stance

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is important step to lower the body burden

3:11

of harmful pollutants if

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you don't think one hundred thousand people are

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enough how about four hundred thousand people

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the nih a thousand people p study is

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the largest diet cohort study

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in history and again simply

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swapping three percent of calories from various

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animal protein sources with plant protein

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was associated with ten percent decrease

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overall mortality and you get even

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twice that benefit if you get rid of eggs

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to i'm that's

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not a surprise since egg consumption

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is associate with a higher risk of

3:43

developing cardiovascular disease how

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it all the studies together on dietary

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protein intake and mortality and people

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who eat more protein tend to live shorter

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lives but this is mainly driven

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by the harmful association of animal

3:57

protein plant protein intake is in

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grossly associate with mortality meaning those

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we more plant protein tend to live longer

4:04

lot more , protein

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maiming more mortality where's more plant

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proteins correlate with less mortality so

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the best of both worlds would be to increase

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seems like a plant protein in place

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of animal protein in other words as

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another twenty twenty med analysis concluded

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person should be encouraged to increase their plant

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protein intake to potentially decrease the

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risk of death

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do vegetarians and vegans

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get enough protein ah let's

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find out

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the largest study in history of

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those eating plant based diets recently

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compare the nutrient profiles of

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about thirty thousand non vegetarians

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to twenty thousand vegetarians about

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five thousand v against flex utterance

4:48

and know we'd except fish eaters

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a long as the finally put to rest the perennial

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question do vegetarians get enough

4:56

protein the average requirements

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is forty two grams

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of protein a day non vegetarians

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get way more than they need and

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so does everyone

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else on average vegetarians

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and vegans get seventy percent more protein

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than they need everyday surprising

5:16

, are so much fuss about protein in

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this country when less than three percent

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of adults don't make the caught caught

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folks on extreme calorie restricted

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diet who just aren't eating enough food

5:28

period but ninety seven

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percent of americans get enough

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protein there isn't nutrients

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though for which ninety seven

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percent of americans are deficient

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now that's a problem nutrient

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that's something we really have to work on

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less than three percent of americans

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get even the recommended minimum

5:49

adequate intake old fiber

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so the question isn't where do you get

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your protein but where'd you get your fiber

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we only get about team grams

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a day the minimum daily requirement

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is thirty one point five so we get less than

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half the minimum to

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, down by age and gender after

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studying the dice of four thousand seven hundred and

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sixty one americans the percentage

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of men between ages fourteen

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and fifty getting the minimum adequate intake

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zero this deficit

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is stunning in that dietary

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fiber has burnt protectively associate

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with the risk of diabetes or metabolic

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syndrome cardiovascular disease obesity and various

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cancers as well side

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cluster of blood pressure and blood sugars therefore

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it is not surprising the fiber is now

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listens as a nutrient of concern

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in the dietary guidelines protein

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is not one problem is that

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most people have no idea

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what's in their food more than

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half of americans think state

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is state significant cybersource hi

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definition fiber

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is only found in plants

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know fiber and meat dairy

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or eggs and little or no fiber

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in junk food therein

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lies the problem americans

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should be eating more beans vegetables fruits

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whole grains how we doing on that well

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ninety six percent of americans

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don't eat a recommended minimum daily

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intake of beans ninety

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, percent only the measly minimum

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for greens ninety nine percent

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don't get enough whole grains look at these numbers

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nearly the entire us population

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fails to eat enough whole

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plant foods and it's

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not getting any

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better the lack of progress

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that's disappointing even

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some are vegetarians though make

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the minimum for fiber those

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even completely plant based diets triple

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the average american into now

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when closing the fiber gap

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do you want to do it gradually no

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more than above image two grams of fiber

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day each week until you

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can work your way up but

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it's worth it's my

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derived guys tend to contribute significantly

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less fat surgery fat cholesterol food borne

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pathogens while st i'm offering

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more fiber full a vitamin c final

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chemicals all essential factors

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for disease prevention and optimal

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health and wellbeing and

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a more plant foods the

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better whole plant foods better if you

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compare the nutritional claudia a

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median vs vegetarian semi

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vegetarian pascoe beds turn and on never

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dies traditional

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healthy diet indexing systems

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like compliance of dietary guidelines consistently

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indicate the most plant based

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diet as the most

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healthy one for

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me today we examined the miss that

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plant proteins are incomplete

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all nutrients come from the sun

8:57

or the soy vitamin d

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the sunshine vitamin is created when

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skin is exposed to sunlight everything else

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comes from the ground minerals

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originally from the earth and vitamins from

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the plants and microorganisms that grow from

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it the calcium and a cow's

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milk and or two hundred pounds skeleton

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a came from all the plants she ate which

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drew it up from the soil we

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can cut out the middle move though

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and get calcium from the plants directly

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where do you get your protein protein

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contains essential amino acids meaning

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our bodies can't make them so are essential

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to get from our diet but other

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animals don't make them either the

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all essential amino acids originate from

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plants and microbes and

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all plant proteins have all essential

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amino acids the only truly incomplete

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protein food supply is

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gelatin which is missing the amino

9:52

acid trip defense so the only

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protein source protein couldn't live on

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his

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yeah

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previously those eating plant based

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diet the average about twice

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the average requirement for protein

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those who don't know where to get protein

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and protein and based diet don't know been

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get it

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that's prompting quantity that

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what about protein quality as

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a concept of plant protein was inferior

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to animal protein rose from studies performed

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on rodents more than

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a century ago scientists

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found that instant rats don't

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grow as well on plants but

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infant rach don't grow as well on

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human breast milk either of soon

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as i mean we shouldn't breast feed our babies

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ridiculous there are rats rat

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milk has ten times

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more protein then human

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milk because rats grow

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back ten times faster than

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human and student

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some plant proteins are relatively low in

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certain essential amino acids so

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about forty years ago the myth

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of protein combining came

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into vogue literally

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the february seventy five issue of vogue

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magazine the concept was

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that we needed to eat complimentary proteins

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together for example rice and beans

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to make up for their relatives shortfalls

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this , was refuted

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decades ago the myth that

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plant proteins are incomplete the plant proteins aren't

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as good as one has to combine proteins

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and meals these have all been dismissed

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by the nutrition community as myths

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decades ago ago

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many and medicine evidently didn't get

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the memo doctor john

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mcdougall cold out the american heart association

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for two thousand association for publication that question

11:43

that completeness of plant protein thankfully

11:46

though they changed and

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acknowledged now that plan proteins can

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provide all the essential amino acids no

11:53

need to combine complimentary proteins

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turns out our body is not stupid

11:59

it maintain pools of free amino

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acids i can be used to do all the complimenting

12:04

for us not to mention the massive

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protein recycling program our

12:08

body has some ninety grams

12:11

of protein is dumped him as him just attract

12:13

every day from our own body to

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get broken back down and reassembled

12:18

sore body can mix and match amino acids

12:20

to whatever proportions we need whatever

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we'd making it practically

12:25

impossible to even design and died

12:27

of whole plant foods that sufficient

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in calories but deficient in protein

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the my base consumers

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do not need to be at

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all concerned about

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amino acid imbalances from the plant proteins

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that make up our usual die

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