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today I have something a little different.
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Something that I think you're going to like.
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Something that I think you'll think is
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pretty cool. You all know
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if you've been following this show that the
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mouth, I knew that we
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had stumbled onto something different. I
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fell in love with whatever
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this new character was becoming. A
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character that would become the final
1:01
boss. And make no
1:03
mistake about it, the final boss came in
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like a whirlwind. I mean, it
1:08
picked up steam and would not
1:10
let up until
1:13
WrestleMania and technically the Raw
1:15
after WrestleMania. So now
1:18
that we finally had a chance to
1:20
take a breath, now that there is
1:22
that beat, for us to think about
1:25
what we just saw, I
1:28
thought there was no time like the
1:30
present to really analyze what I
1:32
think will go down as chapter
1:35
one of the
1:38
final boss. So it
1:40
starts on January 1st when WWE
1:42
put on a television special called
1:44
Raw Day One. And
1:46
they acknowledged internet rumors when Triple
1:49
H tweeted that he wasn't going
1:51
to quote confirm or deny the
1:54
rumors of a former WWE champion
1:56
appearing at Raw Day One. But
1:58
I will say. to stay tuned.
2:01
He did this in the days leading up to the show.
2:04
Once we finally got to day one
2:07
raw, it was announced by commentary that
2:09
a former champion would be appearing and
2:11
when the time came and as viewers
2:14
we were told to stay through the
2:17
break, the music played and that champion
2:19
was revealed to be...Ginder Mahal.
2:24
Ginder came to the ring as the
2:26
audience was shown to be visibly disappointed.
2:29
He was booed as he talked about
2:31
the disrespect that he was being treated
2:34
with and the problems with Americans in
2:36
general today. At that point, boom, the
2:39
music of the superstar that fans were
2:41
hoping for, the rock, interrupted
2:43
Ginder Mahal and the most electrifying
2:46
superstar in all of sports and
2:48
entertainment made his
2:50
appearance known. The
2:52
rock came to the ring and he
2:55
ripped down the modern day Maharaja. Verbally
2:58
then physically, taking a
3:00
few blows himself before dropping Ginder
3:03
and laying him out with a people's elbow.
3:05
We all thought that was enough but once
3:08
the rock had cleared the ring, he
3:10
said he was off to get something to eat and
3:13
he asked the crowd if he should sit at a booth,
3:16
sit at the bar or
3:18
sit at the head
3:20
of the table. We didn't know where he
3:22
was going at first but once he hit that
3:25
head of the table, a huge ovation
3:27
rang through San Diego as the reference
3:30
was lost on no one. The
3:32
rock had made appearances on the Pat
3:34
McAfee show and College Game Day a
3:36
couple of months earlier, talking about an
3:39
initial plan to do a Rock Roman
3:41
match at WrestleMania 39 and
3:43
while it had fallen through, Rock
3:45
said that it wasn't off the table. Between
3:48
that and the clear shot
3:50
at day one, fans, myself
3:52
included, started fantasy booking immediately.
3:56
I mean the Rock has said this
3:58
since but it's true. Since
4:00
Roman Reigns became the head of
4:02
the table, ever since he started
4:05
talking about the bloodline, ever since
4:07
he started talking about being the
4:09
family member in that Samoan dynasty
4:12
who brings home the bacon better than
4:14
anybody else, questions about
4:16
The Rock started surfacing. People
4:19
wanted Rock and Roman at WrestleMania 38. People
4:22
wanted Rock and Roman at WrestleMania
4:25
39. Rock vs
4:27
Roman Reigns was at
4:29
least the biggest super fight since
4:32
Hulk Hogan and The Rock.
4:35
It was this impossibility that
4:38
was kind of a possibility because The
4:40
Rock had stayed in shape forever
4:43
and Roman Reigns had
4:46
ascended to this space where it
4:48
made sense. We weren't in Philadelphia
4:51
in 2015 anymore where
4:54
the fans were booing Roman Reigns and
4:56
The Rock was looking confused. We weren't
4:58
in this space where Roman Reigns
5:00
was being shoved down our throats and we
5:02
were rejecting him. Roman
5:04
Reigns had already
5:07
revolutionized the industry. Roman Reigns
5:10
was already telling stories in
5:13
a way that some would argue has
5:15
not been done in years. I
5:17
would argue had never been done. The
5:20
Rock was the word of the
5:22
day and now
5:24
the possibility of The Rock
5:26
coming in as the tribal
5:29
chief was at his peak was
5:32
almost too much to take but what
5:36
about the story? You
5:39
know the story. Cody Rhodes had
5:41
been on a mission to get back to
5:43
the place where he had lost everything. Cody
5:46
only ever wanted to win the
5:48
title his father never did, the
5:51
WWE Championship and Roman Reigns
5:53
was the unconquerable foe who held
5:55
it. After losing at WrestleMania 39, Cody
5:58
Rhodes was the only one to win the
6:00
title. had done the impossible and
6:02
maintained and also grew support
6:05
from the fans as the year
6:07
progressed. Only weeks
6:09
after the Rock's day one appearance,
6:12
Cody Rhodes went to the Royal
6:14
Rumble, won the match and not
6:16
only pointed to the WrestleMania sign,
6:19
but pointed directly at the suite
6:21
that Roman Reigns was sitting in
6:23
to observe the match. As Roman
6:26
reacted, it was clear who Cody
6:28
Rhodes choice was. The
6:31
theatrics of the Royal
6:33
Rumble reminded fans of the two
6:35
year investment that they had made
6:37
in Cody Rhodes and the potential
6:39
for Cody Rhodes to be the
6:42
one who could finally beat
6:44
Roman Reigns and finish the
6:46
story. Things
6:49
however got a little confusing as
6:51
CM Punk was injured in the Royal
6:53
Rumble match and paths started
6:55
becoming even less clear. The
6:58
night after the Rumble on Raw, Seth Rollins
7:00
made a plea to Cody Rhodes to choose
7:03
him to be the champion that
7:05
Cody challenged at WrestleMania as Seth needed to
7:07
know that he was the best and in
7:09
order to do that, he
7:11
had to beat Cody Rhodes. But
7:14
Cody was going to pick Roman right? Well then
7:17
came SmackDown. Roman
7:19
Reigns came to the ring with
7:21
the bloodline. The first thing that
7:23
he did was almost to an
7:25
unreasonable extent verbally ripped Seth Rollins
7:27
to shreds. Then he
7:29
stated that Cody would be an idiot
7:32
not to choose Roman Reigns as
7:34
his WrestleMania opponent. That's when
7:36
Cody came out and he explained
7:38
that Roman's title was the title that he
7:41
wanted and his plan was not only to
7:43
take that title but to take everything from
7:45
Roman Reigns however he would
7:48
not do it at WrestleMania.
7:51
Cue the Rock's music. Cody
7:54
said he had taken advice from among
7:56
others the Rock. The
7:59
Rock Came to the. The ring is a
8:01
surprise that everyone in attendance. he whispered
8:03
something in the codey his ear. And
8:06
co he voluntarily but somewhat
8:08
solemnly. Left the ring, As.
8:11
Roman reigns in Iraq, stare at each other
8:13
down, The. Crowd in the
8:15
arena went absolutely ballistic. Even seeing
8:18
this is awesome. As. Not only
8:20
were they treated to a surprise appearance from the
8:22
rock. Put a class of
8:24
through Icons was headed to Wrestlemania
8:26
as they had witnessed the foundation.
8:28
Being laid. That.
8:31
Crowd. However, was
8:33
apparently not representative of
8:36
the fan base at
8:38
large. See something happened.
8:41
Between. The beginning of January
8:43
In the end of January. and that
8:45
something was the moment that Cody Rhodes
8:47
had one the Royal Rumble. We.
8:50
Realize that this was the meant we
8:52
went back to a few months before.
8:54
When. Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes. It
8:57
had that face down on Smackdown
8:59
and N N and made us
9:01
all go. There. Is magic? Hear
9:03
it brought everybody to a year
9:05
before. At the end of
9:07
Wrestlemania Thirty Nine. When Cody.
9:10
Rhodes got pinned. Any air was
9:12
let out of the room. You
9:14
can't overstate. How big
9:16
of a disappointment it was to a
9:18
huge portion of the fan base. Nobody
9:21
thought. Cody. Rhodes was going
9:23
to lose the Roman Reigns in Cody.
9:25
Rhodes had lost to Roman Reigns. The.
9:27
Fact that the fans had stayed with this guy.
9:30
Was. Only. Was
9:32
reminded to us. When.
9:35
That. Feeling swept over everyone's body when
9:37
Cody Rhodes one the Royal Rumble and
9:40
we went Oh yeah, Even. With
9:42
all the excitement of the rock. This.
9:45
Is is what was supposed to happen. Add
9:48
to that the fact that that not. Long
9:51
before this. A week. Maybe
9:53
Two weeks. Before. This
9:55
Smackdown appearance. News. had
9:57
broken that not only was w w
10:00
going to Netflix in 2025 for
10:02
a multi-billion dollar deal. But
10:06
The Rock had joined the
10:08
board of directors at TKO, the
10:11
parent company of WWE. He
10:14
had been awarded tens of
10:16
millions of dollars in stock and
10:19
he had been awarded all of his
10:22
IP, all the
10:24
trademarks, The Rock, jabroni drive,
10:26
Smackdown Hotel, all of it
10:29
was given to The Rock. He was now the
10:31
owner of it, which was unprecedented from a WWE
10:33
point of view. So
10:36
fans looked at this and instead
10:38
of being in the mindset that everybody was
10:40
in on January 1st, when
10:42
we said, oh, we're going to get to see this super match,
10:45
it was, well, The
10:47
Rock must have had this as part of his deal with
10:50
TKO. The Rock must
10:52
have said, I want my trademarks, I
10:55
want my money, and I want the main event of
10:58
WrestleMania. There was this feeling that so
11:00
many in the fan base had, that
11:03
The Rock had politicked his way
11:06
into the main event of WrestleMania and
11:08
that he had screwed over the superstar
11:11
that fans had devoted two years of
11:14
their life to, Cody
11:16
Rhodes. Technically, yes, this
11:19
match was what fans wanted, but they
11:22
wanted it from a macro perspective. It didn't
11:24
make sense in this micro
11:27
perspective. Six days
11:29
after that episode of SmackDown, during Super
11:31
Bowl week, WWE put on
11:33
an arena-sized press event that
11:36
promised the first face-off between
11:38
The Rock and Roman Reigns. Although
11:41
the WrestleMania match had not
11:43
been officially announced, the implications
11:45
were clear. And those
11:47
implications led to six
11:49
days of the internet
11:52
absolutely flaming this Decision.
11:54
The YouTube video, the segment
11:56
on SmackDown became the most
11:58
disliked, the WWE's YouTube channel.
12:00
had ever had W w
12:03
Eat the Rock or anyone
12:05
associated could not move on
12:07
social media without comments of
12:09
dismay, disapproval, disgust and disappointments
12:11
flooding every post. The.
12:14
See in huge numbers. Did.
12:16
Not like the idea of. Cody
12:18
his main event being taken away
12:20
for no clear reason other. Than.
12:23
They are perceived reason which was the rock
12:26
was back and he had recently become a
12:28
member of T K Owes board of Directors.
12:31
Then. Las Vegas happened. Before.
12:34
The press conference The Rock went
12:36
on Pat Mcafee show and not
12:38
only address the backlash but surprisingly
12:40
seized it had on. He.
12:42
Introduced the Cody Cry Babies.
12:45
A group of say is that
12:47
as adult men were ignoring their
12:49
children in the sexual needs of
12:51
their wives, pieces of cody cry
12:53
babies, were selling chicken nuggets into
12:55
their orifices and needed to shut
12:57
up and go along for the
12:59
ride. It. Was an amazing return.
13:01
In an instant we remember what the
13:03
rock was capable of. What brought him
13:06
to the dance, Why we fell in
13:08
love with this character. And.
13:10
It was only the beginning.
13:12
Once we got. To. The
13:14
Press Conference The Big Press Event,
13:17
The Wrestlemania kick Off Show. On
13:19
a rino full of people. Were. On
13:22
the same page as all the fans
13:24
on the internet. There.
13:27
Was a big picture. Roman Reigns on one side
13:29
of the stage. A big picture. The Rock on
13:31
the other side of the stage. And that's the
13:33
moment. That. The rock came in.
13:36
And instead of. Having.
13:39
This sort of competitive nature.
13:42
With. Roman reigns. Instead of being in
13:44
this position where it was like
13:46
a boy, I'm gonna teach you
13:48
a lesson. It.
13:50
Was more of a a
13:53
cooperative presentation. About. Why the
13:55
in a while eat my as he is
13:57
Simone Dynasty. Is the
13:59
greatest. In to Ever Happen. To.
14:01
Professional Wrestling and and part of that.
14:04
Was. The moment the right came out, And
14:06
he said, i've got something that you're going
14:09
to think is pretty cool and even if
14:11
you like it, you're going to have to
14:13
respect it's it was this really subtle way.
14:16
Of presenting his own family
14:18
tree. If I presented
14:20
the Roberts family tree I've really have a little
14:22
bit of modesty. You know on are no of
14:24
your care but here it is. A
14:26
cell? What the had. The. Rock presented
14:29
his family tree as if it was a
14:31
gift to the wrestling public at large. You
14:33
guys aren't gonna believe this. This is the
14:35
best thing since sliced bread. You're.
14:37
Going to think it's pretty cool and if you don't think it's
14:40
pretty cool, you better think it's pretty cool. The.
14:42
Rock was slipping into this mode. Where.
14:46
He was taking charge. We We're
14:48
so used to seeing nice guy
14:50
Dwayne Johnson. We, We're so used
14:52
to seeing the Hollywood actor who.
14:55
Knew. How to be Extremely charming at
14:57
press junkets. Always smiled, always had something
14:59
clever to say. The guy that we
15:02
always wanted to hang out with. But.
15:04
That's how you get to the top. All of a
15:07
sudden, We. Were seeing this guy
15:09
who's had none are? no, I'm taking charge.
15:11
This is my show. And
15:14
Roman was kind of their with them as you
15:16
are really reading into it. It felt like. The.
15:19
Rock and Roman Reigns had this plan
15:21
where their max. Would.
15:23
Be sort of an exhibition. To.
15:26
Show off what greatness looks like
15:28
and greatness is ultimately the Samoan
15:30
dynasty. That's. When Cody
15:33
Rhodes walked in and he said it was
15:35
B S C curse the use the real
15:37
B S word. Which. By the way
15:39
was the beginning of a lot of purses
15:41
to we would gets over the next couple
15:43
of months. As Cody came
15:45
in. And he said no.
15:48
He took back. Whatever.
15:50
He had said to the rock whatever was whispered in
15:52
the code easier the first time. Cody.
15:54
Decided know. he
15:56
said the samoan dynasty can be whatever the
15:59
samoan dynasty yeah But ultimately, I
16:02
won the Royal Rumble. I
16:04
get to decide what the main event of WrestleMania
16:06
is. I don't care if you're on the
16:08
board of directors. As
16:11
the winner of the Royal
16:13
Rumble, I'm deciding that Cody
16:15
Rhodes versus Roman Reigns will main event
16:17
WrestleMania 40. And the
16:19
crowd goes wild. And the Rock is
16:22
furious. And Roman Reigns is furious. And
16:24
we finally get this thing that The
16:26
Rock has just started to do with
16:28
the fans that like just strap in
16:31
and go along for the ride. It
16:33
went from, hey, I've
16:37
got some really great things up my sleeve. I hope
16:39
you like it. To if you
16:41
don't like what I'm doing, you need to shut up.
16:44
Because I know better. So you're
16:46
going to have to go along with what I think is right. It's
16:49
a very subtle line between those two
16:51
things. It's very thin. But on
16:53
one end, it's we're all having fun. And
16:56
on the other end, it's we're doing this
16:58
because the boss says we have to do it. And
17:00
we had drifted in to we're doing this
17:02
because the boss says we have to do it. The
17:05
final boss, as we would find out. But
17:09
Cody then goes, and
17:11
you talk about this family tree. This is no
17:13
family tree. You have a bunch of lackeys, a
17:15
bunch of yes men all around
17:17
you. And as a matter of
17:19
fact, if your grandfather Roman
17:22
Reigns and your grandfather, Rock, High Chief Peter
17:24
Myvia, if they were here today, they'd be
17:26
ashamed of all of this. They'd be ashamed
17:28
of you. And
17:30
the Rock slapped Cody in the face. And
17:33
there was a pull apart. And
17:35
then at the wrap up part of the press
17:37
conference, this is where it got great. Triple
17:41
H was doing an interview with Jackie
17:43
Redman, which was interrupted when now you
17:45
see Paul Heyman, the Rock and Roman
17:47
Reigns leaving together. And that's when it
17:49
really became clear, oh, this
17:52
was always kind of something up
17:54
their sleeve. They're leaving together and
17:56
as they pass by Triple H, the
17:59
Rock. starts telling Triple
18:01
H, you need
18:03
to not let him talk, you know what,
18:05
I mean he's cursing up a storm, he's
18:07
dropping S-bombs, he's dropping F-bombs, but
18:09
he's basically telling Triple H to control your
18:12
guy or I will. And
18:14
it wasn't wrestler energy, it
18:16
wasn't like, and if
18:18
you don't like it I'll see you in the ring, it was
18:20
I am a member of the board
18:22
of directors. You need to get your show
18:25
under control because that was BS. You
18:27
better not let him talk to me like that again or
18:29
you're in a lot of trouble. Not,
18:33
you know, at backlash I'm gonna have a match with you, it was you're
18:35
gonna be in a lot of trouble in
18:37
the boardroom, your job's on the
18:39
line. And all of a sudden, all
18:42
of these things that fans were accusing
18:44
the Rock of, we're
18:46
leaning in. Again, we're leaning in.
18:49
We're going, okay, if that's the guy that you think I
18:51
am, that's the guy that
18:53
you're gonna see. So after
18:56
all this happens, Triple H
18:59
comes on to SmackDown and
19:01
he says that, you
19:04
know, after the press conference, it appears
19:06
that they took a left turn on
19:08
the road to WrestleMania and now, quote,
19:10
that road is on fire, but
19:13
it feels good. Triple H
19:15
realizes, he said, that some people
19:17
may not know their
19:19
role. People may
19:21
have tried to assert their
19:23
authority when they don't have
19:26
any, so many Easter eggs.
19:28
He said, regardless of where
19:30
one may sit, he is the one
19:32
the answers come from. Sit at the board of
19:34
directors, sit at the head of the table, I
19:36
don't know. He announces through the main event of
19:38
WrestleMania, the biggest WrestleMania
19:40
of all time. WrestleMania 40
19:42
will, in fact, be
19:45
Cody Rhodes versus Roman Reigns
19:47
and if you don't like
19:49
it, well, it doesn't
19:51
matter if you don't like it. Incredible.
19:54
Then the unthinkable
19:57
happens. After that, The
19:59
Rock returns. to SmackDown, but this
20:01
time he's got a
20:03
designer vest on, similar to the
20:05
short shirts that he wore during
20:08
the Attitude Era. He's wearing sunglasses,
20:10
expensive chains, and he
20:12
stands with Roman Reigns and his
20:14
family, and he declares himself a
20:17
member of the bloodline. It
20:20
was a SmackDown in Salt Lake City,
20:22
Utah. When The
20:24
Rock says they broke the indoor attendance
20:26
record for the largest
20:29
gathering of trailer park trash The
20:31
Rock has ever seen, he
20:33
talks about all of their multiple wives,
20:35
their inbred grandchildren. He asks the audience,
20:38
are you sure that you want
20:40
to boo The Rock? He's
20:42
calling fans fatty. He's threatening to
20:44
slap the herpes off of people's
20:46
lips, and he explains that
20:48
this is a side of The Rock that
20:51
has always been there. It's just been
20:53
buried. Technically we
20:55
have seen it before. This is what happened
20:57
the last time fans booed The Rock. That's
20:59
why that question is so crucial. When
21:02
Rocky Myvia was advertised as a blue
21:04
chipper and the fans just didn't take
21:06
to him, he decided not to
21:08
take to them. He turned on them, insulting
21:10
all of them, owning his natural
21:12
athletic gifts and charisma. Rocky Sucks
21:14
turned Rocky Myvia into The Rock
21:16
in 1998. In
21:19
2024, Rocky sucks turned
21:21
The Rock into the character
21:23
that would be the
21:26
final boss. When
21:28
The Rock started to embrace this
21:30
side of himself, it was a
21:32
remarkable thing to watch. Because
21:36
as much swagger as The Rock always
21:38
had, when that final boss
21:40
side of him came out, it
21:43
was a different swagger than we had ever
21:45
seen before. As
21:47
much as The Rock had carved his
21:49
own path in this
21:52
world of sports entertainment, when he
21:54
started doing final boss stuff, it
21:56
truly felt like he
21:58
was working with no one. No filters
22:01
whatsoever. The pure id
22:03
of the rock was able to
22:06
fully come out. If you look at
22:08
what the rock was doing, whether it was the
22:11
language he was using, the way he was moving
22:13
his body, what he was wearing, the
22:15
way he was staring down at people, it
22:18
was a freedom in the performance that
22:22
as long as I've been watching
22:24
WWE and professional wrestling, I've never
22:26
seen from the rock. The
22:30
rock in this form was
22:33
able to own the fact that
22:36
throughout all of his years of
22:39
being a monstrous success
22:41
in multiple industries, he
22:44
was able to do and say
22:46
things, act in ways that
22:49
nobody was allowed to do.
22:52
And this version of the rock was
22:54
of course gonna take advantage of every
22:56
single one of those things. And
22:59
when we saw that, when fans
23:01
saw the rock,
23:03
the character of the rock morphing
23:05
in to who his
23:08
true self would, could and should
23:10
be, there
23:13
was something captivating about it. There was something
23:15
compelling about it. No matter how evil
23:19
the rock was, this
23:22
was who he was destined to become. And
23:25
now he was owning it. It
23:27
was a different level of cool. It
23:29
was a different level of confidence. It
23:32
was a level
23:34
that all of us would dream
23:36
to one day be at but
23:39
know that we'd never quite get
23:41
there because only the
23:44
rock could pull this off. One
23:46
of the things that made this so special was
23:49
as time went on, it was clear the rock
23:52
was not on a nostalgia run. Sure
23:54
he drew from his past as any character
23:56
should, but the rock was not
23:58
in the WWE. WWE to
24:01
be appreciated for what he had done before. Unlike
24:04
other returns, The Rock in 2024
24:07
was in the WWE to create
24:09
something new, to evolve, to answer
24:11
the question, what would happen if
24:14
The Rock, the character that we knew in 1998,
24:17
the one that we knew in 2004, what
24:19
if that character ascended to the level
24:21
and earned all the power and accolades
24:23
that Dwayne Johnson had? What would he
24:26
do with that power? All
24:28
of us grown men who grew
24:30
up with The Rock became locked
24:32
in because finally The Rock, the
24:35
real Rock's story, was
24:37
continuing. At
24:39
the Elimination Chamber premium live event,
24:41
Cody Rhodes reasserted his plan to
24:44
main event WrestleMania against Roman
24:46
Reigns, but in the meantime
24:48
said that he challenged The Rock to
24:51
a one-on-one match to pay The Rock back
24:53
for the slap that he had laid
24:55
on Cody in Las Vegas. The
24:58
Rock, wearing an even more
25:00
expensive shirt with Roman Reigns on
25:03
SmackDown, said no to Cody's initial offer,
25:05
but came back with
25:07
a challenge to Cody and Seth
25:09
Rollins to a tag team match
25:12
on night one of WrestleMania against
25:14
he and Roman Reigns with implications
25:17
that would lead into night two
25:19
and the Cody Roman match. He also
25:22
acknowledged Roman Reigns as the tribal chief
25:24
in a face-off that
25:26
was fairly tense. In
25:28
this moment, we saw The Rock not only
25:30
as an egocentric showman, the one that we've come
25:33
to know and love, but now as
25:35
the calculating shrewd negotiator
25:38
that it's assumed one would have to be in
25:40
order to make it in Hollywood. The
25:43
Rock's presentation continued to evolve, lightning
25:45
effects being added into his intro
25:48
video, the red eyes of the
25:50
Brahma Bull glowing. The only
25:52
thing that stayed the same was the goosebumps
25:55
that were on The Rock's forearm. He
25:57
began using social media to compliment
26:00
what he was doing on WWE programming,
26:02
dropping 10 to 20 minute
26:04
promos on his Instagram account hours
26:07
before his SmackDown appearances.
26:10
The Rock leaned in to
26:12
all of the perceived faults,
26:14
the politics, the influence that
26:16
fans thought he had and
26:19
gave them the monster that
26:22
they created. This
26:24
incarnation of The Rock was
26:26
a different type of heel. We've
26:29
seen heels throughout the history of
26:32
professional wrestling, but
26:34
this was different. Every
26:37
time The Rock showed up, fans
26:39
went wild because his segments were
26:42
fun. His segments
26:44
were exciting, but The
26:46
Rock did the job that The Rock
26:48
was supposed to do because if you
26:50
watch these segments every single one, when
26:53
the music plays, fans go wild.
26:56
When the jokes are made, fans are laughing.
26:59
At one point, he's calling
27:01
Philly garbage and
27:03
they're all cheering along with it, but every
27:06
single time by
27:09
the end of the segment, they
27:11
are booing The Rock or they
27:13
are chanting Rocky sucks. And
27:16
they're not doing it because they're
27:18
not happy to see The Rock. They're
27:21
doing it because they are voluntarily going on
27:23
this ride. They're doing
27:25
it because The Rock is
27:27
creating this world that
27:30
we can all escape into. And whether
27:32
you're a teenager
27:35
that's known The Rock from being in action movies
27:37
and just thinks it's fun that he's in a
27:39
WWE ring or you're a
27:41
man of a certain age like myself who
27:44
grew up as a teenager watching
27:46
Rocky Myvia evolve into The Rock,
27:50
you know as you're watching it, you're
27:52
seeing history play out. When
27:55
we are watching The Rock go
27:57
all in, not for an appearance, for
27:59
a full story. And that's what the
28:01
Rock is doing. That's
28:04
what the Rock has done. Going
28:06
100% all in. As fans, when you see him going all the
28:08
way into this thing,
28:15
not just there for a paycheck, not just
28:17
there for a quick story, not just there
28:20
to do the job and to take a hike,
28:23
but to really do something that
28:25
people will talk about for years and years and
28:27
years and years, the way he might have done
28:29
in 1998. Not
28:32
only are you enjoying
28:34
it because
28:37
of how good it is, not only are
28:39
you enjoying it because there's something cool,
28:43
there's something edgy, there's something so
28:46
unpredictable about what's happening,
28:49
but you're enjoying it because
28:51
everybody watching has
28:54
this conscious awareness that
28:57
this was never supposed to happen and
29:00
that we're witnessing history
29:03
unfold. When
29:05
I say he was a different type of heel, the
29:07
Rock positioned himself as the boss. He would
29:10
say things like that he was gonna make
29:12
sure Seth Rollins was not the champion. He
29:15
would blur the line between
29:17
being a board member and being a WWE competitor.
29:19
He wasn't saying he was going to interfere in
29:22
a Seth Rollins match. He was saying he was
29:24
going to use his pole. Insults
29:26
flew as the two teams met
29:28
face to face ending with the
29:30
Rock saying Cody's birth was a
29:32
mistake and Cody finally using
29:35
his hand to pay the Rock
29:37
back for that snap. A
29:40
week later, the Rock came back
29:42
in full final boss
29:44
form. A new entrance theme
29:47
where the original intro remixed into his
29:49
heel Hollywood Rock theme that people have
29:51
been waiting for. He put on a
29:53
rock concert that was so fun and
29:55
charismatic. He had people doubting his true
29:58
nature as a heel, but followed it
30:00
with a creepy quiet promise to
30:02
beat Cody Rhodes bloody with his
30:05
weight belt and hand
30:07
the belt to Cody's mom who
30:09
he lovingly referred to as mama
30:12
Rhodes. This was the same
30:14
night he does a line from Moana where
30:17
he's saying is Maui I'm gonna say I'm
30:19
gonna whisper in your mother's ear what can
30:21
I say beside you're welcome which
30:24
again I mean I talked about this on the podcast
30:26
but to me in this
30:28
moment the rock is using
30:31
a rock concert to lure fans into
30:33
this false sense of security like everything
30:35
is fine before
30:38
he lets you know the disgusting
30:40
terrible despicable things that he's gonna
30:42
do to Cody Rhodes the same
30:44
way in Moana Maui
30:48
used song and dance to
30:50
convince Moana that everything was okay before he
30:52
locked her in a cave and stole her
30:54
boat the rock
30:58
wasn't being not quite
31:00
a full heel he was being an evolved heel
31:04
I'm gonna make you guys cheer for this before
31:08
I tell you that I'm
31:10
gonna commit crimes against
31:12
this person and doing it in
31:14
front of the woman who loves him more than
31:16
anybody loves anybody on this planet his
31:18
own mother the
31:21
rock surprised Cody a week later
31:23
on raw whispering in
31:25
his ear and then
31:27
leaving saying that he was done he was
31:29
going home we found
31:31
out later that what he was whispering
31:33
in his ear was I'm gonna make you bleed tonight
31:36
and on the end of that episode of
31:39
Monday Night Raw we witnessed a
31:41
beat down like we've never seen on raw
31:44
all of the fun all
31:46
of the hijinks all of the
31:48
charisma that were there
31:50
when the rock was doing his rock concert
31:52
were gone as the
31:55
rock pulled Cody Rhodes out
31:57
into a rainy parking lot took
31:59
off off his weight belt, that
32:02
I believe said Mama Rhodes right on it and
32:05
started whipping Cody Rhodes and whipping
32:07
him bloody. It had been a
32:09
long time since we
32:11
had seen blood on WWE
32:14
television. But
32:16
The Rock put on this way
32:19
of talking. I'm going to
32:21
learn you boy, you better stay down boy. And
32:25
whipped Cody Rhodes into
32:27
oblivion. To the
32:29
point that it was uncomfortable to
32:31
watch you later saw footage, amazing
32:33
footage of
32:36
the cameramen literally saying okay we're clear,
32:38
the show's off the air. Alright clear.
32:42
And The Rock saying clear whip, f
32:44
that whip. Just because your show's over
32:46
doesn't mean I'm done. Whip. And
32:49
he sat on that for days before
32:52
finally releasing it to the public and being
32:54
like look at how serious this
32:57
was. As Cody
32:59
lay a beaten bloody mess and The
33:01
Rock, the final boss, lived
33:04
up to his promise. We'd
33:06
see another beat down a week later,
33:08
the Raw Before WrestleMania in Brooklyn. And
33:10
this time we'd see the bloodline and
33:12
The Rock physically working together for the
33:15
first time. Rock and
33:17
Roman Reigns just beating the stuffing out
33:20
of Cody Rhodes, out of
33:22
Seth Rollins. Even this realization that
33:25
when these two are paired
33:27
together they may truly be
33:29
indestructible. And finally we
33:32
get to a place where we're going
33:34
into WrestleMania and everybody is along for
33:36
the ride. Everybody
33:39
is along for this story. Everybody
33:41
knows who the good guy is. Everybody knows who the
33:43
bad guy is. The Rock
33:46
and Roman Reigns have made it clear that
33:48
it's not just that Cody wants to take
33:51
the title away from Roman Reigns, it's that
33:53
Cody spoiled, ruined after
33:55
winning the Royal Rumble to
33:58
them what was the greatest. greatest
34:00
potential WrestleMania match of all time.
34:03
And now, they have to teach him a
34:05
lesson. Of course, we
34:08
get to night one of WrestleMania,
34:10
and it's Seth Rollins
34:12
and it's Cody Rhodes
34:15
versus The Rock and Roman Reigns. Now,
34:19
as compelling, as captivating as
34:21
a final boss had been
34:23
for this entire ride, nobody
34:26
quite knew what to expect from him
34:28
physically. And what we got
34:32
was a real performance from
34:35
The Rock. He came out
34:37
in this jumpsuit that
34:39
I guess was somewhat
34:41
reminiscent of
34:44
the athletic warmup gear that he wore in
34:46
the beginning of 1999, when
34:48
he was wrestling Mick Foley, but had
34:51
that designer flair to it. And
34:54
then ripped it off, so he was just wearing
34:56
his classic Rock wrestling trunks, and the guy is
34:58
just a beast, out there
35:00
looking like the Samoan Incredible Hulk. It's
35:02
an amazing sight to see. I
35:06
think a lot of people assume that
35:08
what you'd get is Roman Reigns
35:11
doing most of the work in the match, The
35:13
Rock coming in with the greatest hits. And
35:16
then we'd take it home after about 20
35:18
minutes. And instead, we
35:20
got a solid 40 plus minute
35:22
match, where The Rock was doing
35:24
a ton of stuff. Now, they
35:27
figured out a way to make this a street fight,
35:30
to kind of make it so that we didn't have
35:32
to do holds for the entire time. But
35:34
it was genius the way they did it. How
35:36
would the final boss ensure
35:38
that this was a street fight? How would
35:41
the final boss ensure
35:43
that this was no disqualification? Well,
35:45
The Rock yelled at the referee halfway
35:49
through the match, if you disqualify me,
35:52
you're fired. Do not disqualify
35:54
anybody or you're fired. I'm
35:56
a member of the board. Boom,
35:58
that's how. exactly how the
36:01
final boss would
36:03
make sure that he got his way through an abuse of
36:05
power. And we
36:07
saw a spectacular, we saw the big entrance,
36:09
everything. We thought, at
36:12
least there were some that thought that in terms of
36:15
the, you never thought it
36:17
would happen, big star power,
36:19
nostalgia even, that night one
36:21
of WrestleMania would be the night. And
36:25
then night two would
36:27
be more about where we're going with the future.
36:29
There were some that were even worried that
36:32
because The Rock, the final boss,
36:35
had been such a tour
36:37
de force throughout
36:40
the storyline world of WWE
36:42
that night two may not be
36:44
able to measure up and those people, those
36:47
people were so, so. You've
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always known Jeff Tosmetschia. From
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her early aptitude for science to
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her first big discovery. And
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now that graduation is right around the corner, she
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Forged by the sea. Wrong, of
37:19
course. The Rock ended up
37:22
pinning Cody Rhodes on
37:24
night one of WrestleMania. And it meant
37:26
that night two of WrestleMania would
37:29
be bloodline rules. This
37:34
was, it was incredible, the
37:37
main event for night two of WrestleMania.
37:40
People are already describing it as the
37:42
greatest main event in the history of
37:44
WrestleMania. And the reason is, at
37:47
WrestleMania 40, not
37:49
only did that main event
37:51
celebrate all
37:54
of WWE, and the 40
37:56
years that built to this main
37:58
event. It also
38:00
celebrated the stories that brought
38:02
us there. It made it so
38:05
if you've been watching for a year, you
38:08
really get to see this
38:11
Rock Cody Rhodes thing pay off. If you've
38:13
been watching for four months, you really get
38:15
to see this final boss character pay off.
38:18
But if you've been watching for years and years and years,
38:21
everything that's happening has
38:23
significance. It's
38:25
bloodline rules, but the bloodline has done
38:28
nothing but make enemies along the way.
38:31
So we get the whole first half of the
38:34
match is just Roman
38:36
Reigns and Cody Rhodes trying
38:38
to take each other down. Then
38:41
you get the
38:45
interference begin. Jimmy Uso is
38:48
the first person to interfere in that match.
38:51
And boom, just as Jimmy Uso
38:53
stops Cody Rhodes from beating Roman
38:55
Reigns, Jey Uso's music plays. When
38:59
Jimmy sees Jey coming out, Jimmy runs
39:01
up to stop Jey. Jey knocks Jimmy
39:03
with a spear off the ramp. And
39:06
so both are taken out. Now we're back to
39:08
the match. And just as Cody Rhodes is about
39:10
to win again, here comes Solo Sakoa. Solo
39:14
Sakoa stops Cody Rhodes from winning the
39:16
match. And just as we think that
39:18
with Solo Sakoa's help, Roman
39:20
Reigns will once again be
39:22
insurmountable. John Cena's
39:25
music plays. And you realize
39:27
everything really does count. The
39:29
last time we saw John Cena, Solo
39:32
Sakoa beat him. Solo Sakoa gave
39:34
him 12 Samoan spikes.
39:38
Solo Sakoa one upped him. So
39:41
John Cena comes out, gets his
39:43
revenge, and takes out Solo Sakoa.
39:45
And that's when, boom, the
39:48
Rock's music hits. And
39:50
if you've been watching the WWE for as
39:52
long as I have, the
39:55
same way, when was the last time we saw
39:57
John Cena and Solo Sakoa in a ring? Jolo
40:00
beat John. Boom, John's going to
40:02
get his revenge. When was the last
40:04
time The Rock was
40:06
in a ring with John Cena? Well, that
40:08
was WrestleMania 29 in the Meadowlands
40:11
when John Cena beat The Rock. So
40:14
now, not only is The Rock coming out to
40:16
defend Roman Reigns, but The Rock is coming out
40:18
to beat up the guy who the last time they
40:20
were together, John Cena beat
40:23
him. So
40:25
here we go. Now The Rock and John Cena,
40:27
11 years
40:29
later, as two of
40:31
the biggest icons of all time, are
40:34
face to face. And
40:38
The Rock takes out John Cena. And
40:41
just as we think it's going to be
40:43
insurmountable again, here comes Seth
40:45
Rollins in his shield gear. And
40:48
we know the significance of that if we've been
40:50
watching for whatever it is, the
40:52
last decade, because we
40:55
know that the history between Seth Rollins and
40:57
Roman Reigns doesn't just date back through the
40:59
bloodline. It goes way back to
41:01
the shield, which will come back because as
41:03
Seth Rollins gets in the ring, Roman Reigns
41:06
takes out Seth Rollins and The Rock is
41:08
still standing until bong, the
41:10
lights go out. Everybody
41:12
knows what that bong means. The lights come back
41:14
on. Here's The Undertaker. And
41:17
The Undertaker is staring down The Rock. And on one
41:20
end, yes, you're looking at
41:22
two superstars from the attitude era. You're
41:25
looking at two superstars who knew each other
41:28
in 1998, who competed against each other
41:31
in that attitude era. Two superstars who I
41:33
believe at one point were in the corporate
41:35
ministry together, two superstars who opposed each other
41:37
at the same time. The Rock with
41:40
those sideburns rolling his eyes in the back of
41:42
his head, making fun of The Undertaker. You also
41:44
know that leading up to this WrestleMania, Seth Rollins
41:46
and Cody Rhodes talked about specifically
42:00
Seth Rollins talked about how important
42:02
it was to get the title
42:04
away from Roman Reigns. That
42:06
this locker room needs to have
42:08
the title away from Roman Reigns.
42:10
It needs to be defended. It
42:12
needs to be on television. It
42:14
needs to be in matches where
42:16
there is an interference every single
42:18
time somebody steps in the ring.
42:23
And if you've been watching for all the
42:25
years, as closely as we have,
42:28
who is the one wrestler more than
42:30
anyone who
42:32
has represented the locker room. When
42:35
we talk about the locker room leader, who is
42:37
that guy? It's the undertaker.
42:40
There to fight for the locker room. And
42:42
he chokeslams the rock and the lights come back on
42:44
and they're both out of the ring. And
42:47
that's when, of course, Roman
42:49
Reigns is ready to put Cody Rhodes out. Seth
42:53
Rollins presents his back to Roman
42:55
Reigns. Roman Reigns gets his revenge
42:57
against Seth Rollins. This was Gus
42:59
Fring making a mistake. The
43:02
one mistake he made on Breaking Bad is
43:06
when he went to Tio Salamanca's room
43:09
and allowed his emotions to get the better of him. And
43:13
Tio Salamanca hit that button until
43:15
they both blew up. Seth
43:17
Rollins knew that Roman Reigns
43:20
still harbored resentment for
43:23
Seth turning on Roman to break up
43:26
the shield all those years ago. Presented
43:29
his back to Roman Reigns. Roman
43:31
laid him out. Cody Rhodes
43:33
took advantage. Cody Rhodes is
43:36
your new champion. Payoffs
43:39
on payoffs on payoffs. And
43:44
we are overwhelmed with what
43:46
I think the rock started.
43:48
The rock started this wave
43:52
of, hey, remember
43:54
all those stories? They're all
43:56
still in play. Nothing's
44:00
over and
44:02
in one fell swoop, all
44:05
of us that have been
44:07
watching for decades, not
44:09
only feel fulfilled in the sense that
44:11
you're watching a story that makes sense
44:14
week by week, but
44:16
somehow through
44:18
the Rock, John
44:21
Cena, Roman Reigns, Cody Rhodes,
44:23
Seth Rollins, they're
44:25
able to give you this story that
44:29
is your entire life,
44:31
it's your entire childhood. You
44:35
were there in high school watching
44:38
the Rock and the Undertaker. You
44:41
know who these people are. You were
44:44
raised on it and
44:46
all these years later, you
44:49
didn't waste your time watching. It
44:51
all counted. It all mattered because it's
44:54
all being played out in
44:56
front of your face in
44:59
2024. And that all begins with the final boss's
45:08
reign of terror in
45:10
the WWE. You're
45:13
talking about a story
45:15
so cathartic, it
45:17
left grown men in tears.
45:21
It was everything. It
45:23
was poetry. It
45:25
was Shakespeare. It's one
45:27
thing to follow a
45:29
cinematic universe and see it pay
45:31
off after six, seven years of
45:34
build. But to
45:36
see the culmination
45:39
of what we think is four months,
45:41
then we realize is three years, then
45:43
we realize is decades, a
45:46
culmination, decades in
45:49
the making. And
45:51
it all plays out. And
45:53
what happens? There are
45:55
good guys and there are
45:57
bad guys. Nobody has to
45:59
turn. on anybody, no
46:02
hijinks. At the end of
46:04
the day, the good
46:06
guys win because they did what
46:08
was right and
46:10
the bad guys lost because
46:13
they overplayed their hand. There
46:18
was one more act for
46:20
the final boss and that happened the Monday
46:22
after WrestleMania when Cody Rhodes is in the
46:25
ring announced
46:27
as the new undisputed
46:29
WWE champion and
46:31
he is holding the title that
46:34
Roman Reigns held for 1316 days. A
46:38
title that it's
46:42
hard to define outside of
46:44
the terms of the bloodline and
46:46
Roman Reigns. Cody
46:48
has entered into a whole new world. The
46:53
final boss and
46:55
Roman Reigns built
46:58
that reign to such a
47:00
crescendo that
47:02
Cody Rhodes walks out of WrestleMania
47:06
with what has to be the
47:08
highest valued world title in
47:11
the history of WWE
47:14
and on Monday Night Raw as he stands in
47:16
that ring with
47:18
that championship the
47:21
rock comes out the final boss
47:23
comes out and
47:25
it's a weird energy. It's
47:27
not a nice energy. It's not a comforting
47:29
energy. It's not an energy that you want
47:31
to be around. When
47:34
he asks Cody if
47:37
he can hold the belt. Now
47:40
there are some sleuths out there that realize that
47:43
years and years ago 10 years ago when
47:46
the Rock had his last WWE championship 11
47:49
years ago Cody
47:52
asked to hold the rocks title and
47:54
that maybe this plays in that the
47:56
Rock remembers everything and he asks to
47:59
hold Cody's title. It's
48:02
just a very prison yard energy. When
48:05
he says, this looks good on me, doesn't
48:07
it? Just feels right. Doesn't
48:09
it? He
48:12
says, Cody,
48:16
offer you congratulations. You
48:19
beat my cousin Roman Reigns one,
48:21
two, three, and you earn that title. But
48:25
the night before I
48:27
beat you one, two,
48:29
three. He says,
48:31
Cody, this story with
48:34
you and Roman Reigns,
48:37
that's over. But
48:40
the story between me and you,
48:43
that story has just begun. The
48:47
Rock's got to go now, but
48:49
when the Rock comes back, he'll
48:52
be coming for you.
48:55
And then he has something that he pulls
48:57
out of his pocket and he goes,
48:59
I want to give you something. Put your hand out. I want to
49:01
give you something. You don't even
49:03
have to open your hand because you'll know what it is, but
49:06
I want you to take it. And he slips it into his
49:08
hand without us knowing.
49:12
And the Rock says, don't ever
49:14
break my heart again. We
49:17
don't know what it was, but
49:19
what we do know is that
49:22
the Rock is not done. No,
49:26
the story is not over, but
49:28
this chapter, this
49:30
chapter is the Rock tweeted out. The
49:33
final boss is a builder, a
49:36
long gamer, WrestleMania night
49:39
two may be in the record books,
49:42
but this is only chapter
49:44
one of final boss cinema
49:47
to be continued final
49:50
boss. The
49:53
final boss is
49:55
a very special character.
49:59
A bad guy being bad in
50:01
the funnest of ways, but
50:03
also somebody
50:06
who truly
50:09
takes advantage of
50:11
what storytelling in modern
50:14
sports entertainment can
50:16
be, of what
50:18
the long play can look
50:20
like, of what building can
50:23
actually do. As
50:26
much as The Rock has done in
50:30
WWE, we're
50:33
at the point where
50:35
he's doing things that we've never seen
50:38
before. And
50:40
in three months,
50:43
three, he
50:47
elevated a WrestleMania main event
50:51
to the point that one could argue
50:53
it's never been elevated. He
50:57
was able to do that and
50:59
still have the attention at
51:02
the end of the day, be wrapped
51:05
around Roman Reigns, Cody Rhodes,
51:07
and Seth Rollins, three people
51:10
that are going to be
51:12
there going forward, three people that are
51:14
superstars of today. And
51:18
what's the most remarkable thing? And
51:20
I think the thing that
51:22
people might have expected the least
51:26
is that this is only chapter one of
51:30
the final boss. And
51:33
whether you're a fan of the original
51:35
Rocky Maivia, whether you're a fan of
51:38
the corporate champion, The Rock, the people's
51:40
champion, The Rock, Hollywood
51:43
Rock, the returning Rock
51:45
versus John Cena Rock, the Rock that
51:47
pops in just to smile and say
51:49
hello, Rock. The fact is that
51:51
in 2024, not
51:53
only do we have a new
51:56
Rock, we may
51:58
have the best. best,
52:01
most compelling, most
52:05
must-watch rock that
52:08
we have ever seen. When
52:11
you're talking about characters and
52:14
versions of the rock, that
52:17
says a lot. If
52:21
we're talking about it this
52:23
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52:30
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