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so much. Hello,

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and welcome to normal gossip. I'm Kelsey McKinney.

3:49

In each episode of this podcast, we're going

3:51

to bring you an anonymous morsel of

3:53

gossip from the real world. I

3:56

am so excited to have with

3:58

me today, Erica Kasupin and Erica. Welcome.

4:01

Thank you. I am so excited to be

4:03

here today. I love this podcast. Oh my

4:05

God. I am a huge fan. So I'm thrilled

4:07

to have you here. I will tell

4:09

the people who you are. Erika is

4:11

the winner of Survivor 41 and

4:14

the first Canadian winner ever. She's

4:16

also a keynote speaker, media personality,

4:18

and the host of the Happy

4:20

to See Me podcast where she

4:22

has inspirational chats with people who

4:25

have been overlooked and underestimated. She

4:27

recently returned to reality TV on

4:29

the Traders Canada. Erika, welcome. Thank

4:32

you so much. I

4:37

want to talk specifically about

4:39

your season of Survivor just because I think

4:41

people give people a little insight into how

4:43

gossip on the game may or may not

4:45

function. In your

4:48

season right before the official merge,

4:50

you got sent in what seems like

4:52

a very traumatic experience to File Island.

4:55

You were given an important choice. Can

4:58

you explain the choice and

5:00

then also how gossip

5:02

impacted your decision? Yes.

5:05

Okay. This choice is just insane.

5:07

It was the first time they did this on Survivor

5:09

where I got sent, you

5:12

know, very humbly sent to live on

5:14

an island by myself. And you're right,

5:16

it was a traumatic, but life changing

5:18

and character building experience. And

5:21

everyone else who was back at the main camp,

5:23

there were half of the people who won the

5:26

competition and they were safe and they were the

5:28

ones who sent me there. And then there was

5:30

the other half of the people who did not

5:32

win the competition and then they were not safe.

5:35

And then I had the opportunity to symbolically break

5:37

this hourglass with a hammer and go

5:40

back in time and change the result of

5:42

the competition. So the people who were

5:44

safe are now vulnerable and vice versa. Yes.

5:48

I made the decision to change the results, but

5:50

there was something specifically

5:52

that I remember

5:55

from that experience where the people

5:57

who won that competition said that

5:59

they did. decided how they

6:01

were going to make the decision based on a

6:03

game of rock paper scissors. And I'm just like,

6:07

I never saw the fist

6:09

go up and down. Okay, I never

6:11

saw any symbol, not a rock paper

6:13

or scissor be revealed. And I'm also

6:15

thinking, this is a high

6:18

stakes televised game. No one is

6:20

making a decision like this based

6:22

on rock paper scissors. So for

6:24

some reason, it's like their decision

6:26

to justify their decision to open

6:29

it by saying it was like, based on a

6:31

game versus based on a game, like a game

6:33

decision. I'm like, No, no, no, this is you

6:35

trying to like soften for a blow

6:38

for me. And I'm just like, then I know

6:40

that that's not true. I'm always assuming gossip and

6:42

always information. So I know that that's not true.

6:44

So it's like signals to me. I'm like, Okay,

6:47

I can't ride with these people. I

6:49

have to choose myself first to choose

6:51

my safety first. And then sorry, you

6:53

guys are unsafe now, but not sorry.

6:55

I love that. And I think like

6:57

now if those people are to bring you information in

6:59

the future, you're going to be taking that with

7:01

like a whole box of course, sea salt, right?

7:03

Like I don't believe you for a second.

7:07

Is there anything else you'd like to talk about

7:09

about how gossip works on survivor? I

7:11

think any reality show, especially

7:13

these reality strategy games, it's so built

7:15

in gossip, right? Because the truth is

7:17

based on what people say about themselves

7:20

and each other. So we're actually always

7:22

gossiping to each other saying, this person

7:24

wants to target this person, but then

7:26

you go to somebody else and you

7:29

say this person's targeting this person, and

7:31

then you hear all these stories. And

7:33

you have to be able to deduce

7:35

which one is the real one. And

7:38

by creating these gossip stories about each

7:40

other, then we can make someone seem

7:42

more trustworthy or make somebody seem more

7:45

threatening. So that is a huge element

7:47

of playing the game. And then something

7:49

else that I realized after I finished

7:51

watching the show is even

7:54

what you see on TV is the

7:56

result of gossip because it's like, what

7:58

do the players say about themselves? each

8:00

other in their confessionals. And then

8:02

I learned from making friends with

8:05

producers is that the producers could

8:07

be on the same beach and

8:09

seeing the same conversation, right? They

8:11

could interpret it going differently

8:13

where they're like I think this person had the

8:15

upper hand, another producer could say I think this

8:18

person had the upper hand, but then it goes

8:20

through their machine where they talk about it and

8:22

it goes through producers, editors, executive producers, and then

8:24

somehow it's like a game of telephone and then

8:27

what you see on TV is like the end

8:29

result of that gossip. So it's all just

8:31

like hearsay and telephone really. So it's also

8:33

like a POV battle, right? Where it's like

8:35

you have one producer saying I saw it

8:37

this way and someone else saying it that

8:39

I saw it this way and then eight

8:41

people down the line they're like we think

8:43

both these people hate each other. It's like

8:45

what? Exactly. So it's like yeah it's like

8:49

what you watch on TV is really just like a

8:52

rumor that has gone so far and now

8:54

it's on primetime TV. You know

8:56

I love that for us as

8:58

the American people. That's great

9:00

television. Birdie told me that

9:02

you brought a gossip to share with me. Is that

9:04

true? Yeah so this is like

9:07

a vintage high school gossip I can share.

9:09

I love history. Great. Alright

9:11

so this was back when I was in

9:13

high school so this was something that happened

9:15

in a high school in my hometown and

9:17

you know how in high school girls tend

9:19

to form groups where it's like the

9:22

four of us are best friends and we

9:24

have a name for our group. Yeah. So

9:26

there were four girls who were best friends

9:28

and then just outside of the group there

9:30

was a girl named Caitlin who was not

9:32

in the foursome. Is this mean girls? Okay

9:35

continue. Great. I love it. It's actually very similar.

9:37

So yes there's this Caitlin

9:43

who is the fifth person she's

9:45

not in the group but she hangs out and

9:47

it's worth mentioning there's also a Caitlin who was

9:49

in the group because at this point in time

9:52

everyone is named Caitlin. Well yeah. It looks like

9:54

there's a tall Caitlin and there's a small Caitlin

9:56

but anyways. Not to get

9:58

them confused. Okay thank you. So then

10:00

one day, and remember,

10:02

this is the time where MSN is

10:05

a big deal, Geo City Sites, big

10:07

deal. One day someone

10:09

begins hacking the MSN accounts

10:12

of these four girls and

10:14

then someone is hacking their

10:16

Geo City Sites, revealing secrets,

10:18

talking shit, conversations with crushes

10:20

are being sabotaged, new MSN

10:22

accounts impersonating them are being

10:24

creative. It's just like this

10:26

online warfare back in the

10:28

early 2000s. And these

10:30

four girls are like, what is going

10:32

on? And then they realized who would

10:34

know all of these secrets? And they're

10:36

like, Oh, it's the small Caitlin.

10:39

So then naturally these girls are

10:41

like, okay, small Caitlin, we don't want

10:43

to be friends with you anymore. If

10:46

you're attacking us online, well, Caitlin, please

10:48

give us our accounts back. We're trying

10:50

to DM our crushes. Exactly. It's like,

10:52

think of all of the weird, like

10:54

high school makeouts that have been prevented

10:56

because of the small Caitlin. No, so

10:59

when small Caitlin is like,

11:01

I'm not doing this goes to the

11:03

principal's office because she's feeling shut out

11:05

by this group. The principal

11:07

calls in parents, the girls

11:10

are like, we're not bullying small

11:12

Caitlin, small Caitlin is bullying us.

11:14

And then small Caitlin is

11:16

just so mortified, she ends up disappearing

11:19

from school for a few months, gets

11:22

I don't know, gets homeschooled or something and then

11:24

shows up next year. And there's just like

11:27

kinda to herself and the dynamic is never

11:29

the same with this small Caitlin. But the

11:31

girls are like, okay, then

11:33

you were sabotaging us. Of course, this is happening.

11:36

Small Caitlin. It's like, sweetie, you

11:38

hacked four accounts. Exactly. You are

11:40

the only one who knows all

11:42

of these secrets. You're doing crimes.

11:46

So then years later, years

11:48

later, one of the girls in

11:51

the group as an adult catches up with

11:53

one of the other girls in the group.

11:55

And then somehow it

11:57

all clicks to her that. It

12:00

was not small Caitlin. It

12:02

was actually tall Caitlin who

12:05

was bringing small Caitlin because she

12:07

was afraid that small Caitlin was

12:09

getting too close to the group.

12:12

And apparently there's only room for one

12:14

Caitlin. It's a Caitlin war. It was

12:16

the Caitlins versus Caitlin. So now it's

12:18

like- Holy shit. I don't know if

12:20

there's ever been justice for small Caitlin.

12:22

I don't know if tall Caitlin is

12:24

living with guilt, but it was

12:26

just a Caitlin war. I

12:28

think tall Caitlin should be living with guilt.

12:30

Justice for small Caitlin. That's a fair. There's

12:33

a Caitlin. She had to

12:35

leave school. She was being bullied. I

12:38

know and the other girls didn't realize that they were

12:40

just clearly getting the wrong

12:42

information. And tall Caitlin

12:44

was actually the puppet master the whole

12:46

time. Oh my God. If

12:49

a small Caitlin is listening today, I

12:52

hope you're okay. I hope you're justified in

12:55

knowing that the truth is out there. Yeah,

12:57

it's time for you to seek vengeance. You

12:59

know what I mean? You

13:02

were right. Oh

13:04

man. I feel so bad for small Caitlin

13:06

and I'm also like tall Caitlin.

13:09

It's not your fault that your parents gave you the same

13:11

name as everyone else. But that doesn't mean

13:13

you have to wage wars. Exactly.

13:16

Scarcity mindset and friendship. No, thank you.

13:19

I know. And like one of them

13:21

could have gone as a Katie. One could have

13:23

been a Kate. Those all could have been prevented.

13:25

Alyn, you have so many options. Yes, Alyn.

13:27

Alyn. Erica,

13:30

thank you for bringing me to this gossip. I

13:33

am going to be haunted by it perhaps forever.

13:35

And that's the best kind of gossip.

13:39

Do you wanna hear the gossip that I have for you?

13:42

Yes, I would love to. Oh my God, okay,

13:44

great. Thank you, Erica. Thank

13:47

you. Thank you. iy.

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You know how when you like see people

15:15

over and over and over again, like you're in

15:18

very close proximity to them over a period of

15:20

time, you get like a kind of blindness

15:22

that causes you to believe that they're hot?

15:25

Yes, definitely. Today's

15:28

story is about when you

15:30

combine this kind of proximity

15:32

obsession with a workplace. Ooh,

15:34

okay. Do you have any experience

15:37

with this dynamic? I've

15:39

never had a workplace crash. Okay,

15:42

great. I think you're gonna love this. Okay,

15:44

can't wait. Here we go.

15:46

I want you to imagine like palm

15:48

trees, a small

15:51

main street with like pastel colored

15:53

homes, bridges everywhere. The

15:55

houses have like columns on them,

15:57

large sprawling oak trees. It's

15:59

like. the kind of city where

16:01

light is dappled. Yeah, I'm

16:03

like, okay, I'm like, this

16:06

is like what, an American

16:08

South rom-com? Yes.

16:10

Okay. This is like the kind of

16:13

city that is like so historically haunted that it

16:15

has been rebranded as Tui. Right? Like

16:17

that's what we're working with. Okay, so there could

16:19

be some spookiness to this too. Always

16:21

here, it is wedding season. Always,

16:24

it is bachelorette season. Always, it

16:26

is someone's 50th wedding anniversary. I

16:28

know exactly where we are. Okay. I

16:31

love that. Here

16:33

in this city, right on the

16:35

water, is a sprawling luxury hotel.

16:38

Big pool, striped umbrellas, rooms

16:41

with ceilings up to the sky. Think

16:43

like white lotus American South. Can you

16:45

help me name this hotel? Can we

16:47

call it the Black Rose? We sure

16:50

can. In the spirit of white lotus.

16:53

Beautiful. So we are here at the Black Rose. Have

16:55

you ever stayed in a fancy hotel? What's your take

16:57

on them? I have stayed

16:59

in a fancy hotel and I'm like, this is

17:01

a treat. I'm going to use every amenity. I'm

17:03

going to spend time in the bathtub no matter

17:06

how busy the schedule is. And

17:08

if somebody wants to carry stuff to my

17:10

room wearing a top hat, by all

17:12

means. That is your

17:14

luxury and you deserve it. Our

17:17

story today is about the people wearing the top hats.

17:19

It's about people who work at this

17:21

luxury hotel. Oh my God, okay.

17:24

Their goal is to make this run so

17:26

smoothly that like no one ever needs anything.

17:29

They are anonymous and interchangeable to guests

17:31

and the guests are always right. No

17:33

request you can make is too unreasonable.

17:37

Wow, okay. So there's already no boundaries

17:39

here. Yes. Have

17:41

you ever worked customer service? So

17:43

many times, yes. Since

17:45

I was like a kid. Yes. So you know that

17:48

like you learn a lot about human nature

17:50

in this job. Yes, yeah. Yeah. And

17:53

you also understand why all of the requests

17:55

I'm about to read you are unreasonable. If

17:58

someone needs a strapless bra. in 30 minutes,

18:00

this step makes it appear. If

18:03

someone needs 40 matching shirts in an hour, no

18:06

problem. Someone needs 12 peacocks, none of

18:08

whom make noise by tomorrow evening, like

18:10

they've got a guy for it. And

18:13

these workers are like supremely competent. If you're

18:16

a billionaire trying to lay low, they

18:18

like know how to cheat the system by

18:20

putting an asterisk in front of your name so like

18:22

no one can find you. But this

18:24

means that the guests are treated like kings. They

18:26

behave like kings and they're little demons. For

18:29

example, the Black Rose used to

18:31

have nice Pendleton blankets that like sat outside by

18:33

the ocean so that guests could go out at

18:35

night and not get too cold. But

18:37

people started getting frisky under them. And so they

18:40

had to remove the Pendleton blanket. How

18:43

are you feeling at this point in this setting? It

18:46

just sounds like there's going to

18:49

be so much privilege on display.

18:51

I'm excited to really test the

18:53

limits of humanity in the story.

18:57

Like, okay, people are going for

19:00

it under these fancy blankets and

19:02

getting peacocks instantly. And those are

19:04

just the opening context building, just

19:06

details that we're sharing. I'm like,

19:08

all right, some crazy stuff

19:10

is happening. And I am ready for it.

19:12

Yeah, it's chaos hour. Every

19:15

guest at this hotel has main character syndrome,

19:17

obviously. But our friend of a friend

19:19

today, we're going to call her Jade. She's

19:21

23 years old. She's just out of hospitality

19:23

school and she works on a team that

19:26

we're going to call welcoming. The

19:29

welcoming team is like mostly women. The

19:32

only person on this team who's not a woman

19:34

is Skye. And Skye is a

19:36

person who everyone at this hotel deems

19:38

an equal opportunity flirt. Like

19:41

they will flirt with a tree if given

19:43

the option. Charismatic,

19:46

charming. Skye's whole deal is

19:48

that they are like drama royalty. If

19:51

there's gossip, Skye wants it from

19:53

the guests or within the top

19:55

hat people or anybody, anybody

19:58

Skye will take any morsel of gossip

20:00

at any time and also they're the manager. Amazing

20:05

power dynamic. This is a healthy workplace.

20:07

So this is a messy group welcoming,

20:09

obviously, but they also like are very

20:12

competent. They check people in, they coordinate

20:14

their problems. Every guest has to be

20:16

like walked to their room because it's

20:18

this giant hotel. Our friend of her

20:20

friend Jade, her shift is from 3.30pm to 11.30pm every day.

20:26

So there is a culture of like having

20:28

a little drink at the hotel bar afterward,

20:30

doing a little smooch, you know,

20:32

culture of dating and sleeping with your coworkers, which

20:34

is always a healthy sign for a workplace. But

20:38

at least it's like a luxurious place. So if

20:40

you're going to do it, do it among the

20:42

expensive blankets. Yes,

20:45

there are two problems that like come

20:47

out of this. The first is that

20:49

it's a culture of like kind of

20:51

rousing people if they're like dating or

20:53

sleeping with each other. And the

20:56

second is that if you are dating someone

20:58

on the staff, you can't work the same

21:00

shift. So

21:02

like one of you will get moved to either the

21:04

morning shift or the overnight shift, both of

21:07

which are worse. Okay,

21:09

the it sounds like the picture

21:11

is clear because then the manager who

21:13

presumably is making the shift also knows

21:16

all of the gossip. It sounds like a scheduling nightmare,

21:18

to be honest. Yes,

21:20

because if you know one piece of gossip, now you

21:22

have to move someone's shift to earlier and like chaos.

21:27

Today when Jade gets to work, her work

21:29

rival TIFF is already there. TIFF

21:31

is like a real, you know, game

21:33

respects game. TIFF is supremely confident. She

21:35

never stays out too late. TIFF

21:39

and Jade started at the hotel at the same time. And

21:41

like, unlike everyone else who is like, this is a good

21:43

job that pays me money and gives me a lot of

21:45

time off. TIFF and Jade are like, this is my career.

21:48

I want to move up the ranks of

21:50

this hotel. Have

21:53

you ever had a work rival? Ah,

21:56

mostly people who have authority over

21:58

me, which is not the best. best way

22:00

to feel like a rivalry

22:02

at work. But for some reason, the people who are

22:04

my peers and like, great, we ride together. But if

22:06

it's someone above me, I'm like, Oh,

22:09

get ready. I'm coming. I love that. By

22:13

the time Jade arrives on time, she's always

22:15

on time. Tiff has taken all the cool

22:17

assignments. Like Tiff is finding a

22:19

local artist who can paint someone's dog. She's

22:22

finding someone a specialty whiskey. And so Jade has

22:24

to do this terrible job of like trying to

22:26

find 200 usually round ice

22:29

cubes. That seems actually

22:31

reasonable. If you just give somebody a couple

22:33

hours, you could just make them. Yeah. Yeah,

22:36

but it is annoying. So Jade is like, this is

22:38

a boring job. I don't get to have any fun.

22:40

I don't get to meet a local dog painter. I'm

22:42

just making 200 round ice cubes.

22:46

She's doing this when Tiff like hits

22:48

her arm lightly. There is

22:50

only one thing that Tiff and Jade

22:52

have in common one shared interest. And

22:55

that interest is the bellman. So

23:00

it's a workplace and a romantic rivalry. Yes.

23:05

Jade would like to believe that like the

23:08

bellman of this hotel are the Braun and

23:11

welcoming is the beauty. But

23:13

the bellman are both the beauty and the

23:15

Braun. They wear little hats.

23:18

They are all very tall. They're

23:20

all jacked. They all have

23:22

like unkempt hair that's a little too long. They're

23:25

always like a little but not too sweaty. And

23:28

they're like high-necked uniforms are always unbuttoned

23:30

like flapping open. Technically,

23:33

this is against protocol, but the guests love it

23:35

and they get lots of tips for it. So

23:37

they keep doing it. How

23:41

are you feeling? What are your takes? It

23:44

sounds like these are the people who are going

23:46

to be carrying my bags

23:48

to my room and I will happily giving

23:50

them my American dollars. And

23:52

it already sounds like it's wild

23:54

that they are just walking around

23:57

with hats and open shirts. Yeah,

23:59

it is. wild. I agree. And they're

24:01

making incredible tips for it. So you know,

24:03

more power to them. In the front

24:06

of this group of guys is a tall,

24:08

beautiful lad. His name is

24:10

Wyatt. And he's like, I

24:12

want you to imagine the beast after he

24:14

transforms into a man. Okay,

24:19

blowing hair. I see the pecs. I

24:21

see it all. Yes, Wyatt

24:23

is like charming and charismatic, which as

24:25

you know, is a dangerous combo. Everyone

24:29

on welcoming has had a crush on Wyatt

24:32

at some point. But he

24:34

is like very mysterious and very good

24:36

at boundaries. He's like, I never date

24:38

within the staff. I never have too many

24:40

drinks, which is torture

24:42

for Tiff because Tiff has had a crush

24:44

on Wyatt for years. And

24:47

in the spring, she finally like got up the gall

24:49

and asked him out and he turned her down. Oh

24:52

my god, no. Now the rejection is

24:54

fueling the rivalry even further. Yes. And

24:59

because of this rejection, they're now

25:01

always doing this thing where they're

25:03

like play fighting, which makes Jade

25:05

crazy. She cannot tolerate this at

25:08

all. So

25:10

like Wyatt will come to the counter and be like, Tiff,

25:12

you forgot to restock the water bottles in the ballet stand

25:14

and like wink. And

25:17

Tiff is like, no, I didn't. And

25:19

he's like, yes, you did. And Tiff is like, I

25:21

swear that I didn't like what will you bet me

25:23

did it or that. And they're like always doing this

25:26

like chirping thing. Jade watching them do this like rolls

25:28

her eyes at her

25:30

like work wife Miguel who is on the

25:32

Bellman team. Miguel

25:35

is her like lifeline here because she's

25:37

like Tiff makes me crazy. The Bellman

25:39

are always in this feud with

25:41

us. And Miguel is the only one who

25:43

likes to gossip. So the two

25:45

of them will like huddle up at the bar and

25:47

gossip about the guests and gossip about the co workers

25:50

and gossip about Sky and gossip about like the other

25:52

hotels in the chain. Are you a gossip at work?

25:55

A strategic gossip at work. Where

25:58

I'm like, Oh, you can't. come and

26:00

speak to me because I'm a safe space

26:02

for you to vent your frustration." And

26:05

then I'm like, okay, and now I know the crazy shit

26:07

that this person's done. I'm going to keep that in mind

26:09

for the future. You just hold it

26:11

all in your little hands. And then, yeah,

26:13

have the right moment to deploy it. Yeah,

26:15

I love that. This night after

26:17

the shift, Miguel and Jade like settle at the

26:20

hotel bar to debrief. Eventually, Jade

26:22

is like, oh, let's check in. Like, what

26:24

about Wyatt and Tiff? Like, do you

26:26

think that they're ever going to hook up? And

26:28

Miguel's eyes get like really wide. And he's like, oh

26:30

my God, I forgot to tell you. He's

26:33

like, Wyatt told me that he has

26:35

a girlfriend. And

26:38

Jade's like, what? Who? And

26:40

Miguel is like, I don't know. It's this girl who lives

26:42

a couple hours away. Like he showed me a pic. Why

26:45

are you making that face? I don't

26:47

know. I was hoping it was going to be Tiff.

26:49

I was hoping it was going to be from within

26:51

the house. I feel a

26:53

little sad for Jade now, because like, not only

26:55

has she seen this insufferable flirting, but I'm like,

26:58

oh, he's not even available. I

27:00

know. Jade is like, wow, this

27:02

is very upsetting because I've had to watch all

27:05

this play flirting and now he's not even available.

27:07

She's like, do you think that they're going to

27:09

stop flirt fighting? And Miguel is

27:11

like, I mean, I doubt it. Like, could

27:13

they even stop it if they wanted to?

27:16

This drama goes on for all May.

27:19

Tiff and Wyatt are like still hiding

27:21

each other's key cards. They're still making

27:23

up fake things that guests need. They're

27:25

like doing these little pranks on each

27:27

other that are like teasing. You

27:30

are Jade. You know that

27:32

Wyatt has a girlfriend. Knowledge

27:34

famously is power. Do

27:37

you tell Tiff? No.

27:42

It's so fast in front of Wyatt. No, she

27:44

is my workplace rival. So I'm like, it sucks

27:46

for me to watch it all go down.

27:49

But at the same time, I'm like, okay,

27:51

whatever history we have where she's my workplace

27:53

rival, I'm like, I don't think I need

27:55

to have her best interest in mine. I

27:57

think I can just like allow her to

27:59

go down. this journey and figure it

28:01

out the hard way. So no, I wouldn't say

28:03

anything. Here are what Jade thinks are

28:05

the pros and cons. She's like, the pro is

28:08

that maybe if she knew he had a girlfriend,

28:10

they would stop like flirt fighting in front of

28:12

me, which would be great. She's like,

28:14

but there are two cons. The con is then

28:16

I lose the entertainment of them flirt fighting and

28:20

it could make Tiff grumpy, which would make her worse

28:22

to work with. Which

28:24

is yeah, very important. If you already have a rivalry

28:26

with her, you don't want her in a bad mood.

28:29

Yes. So Jade's like, I'm not going

28:31

to tell her. I'm going to keep this little knowledge inside

28:33

my heart. But then in June,

28:36

two things happen. Tiff and Wyatt

28:38

stop play fighting entirely, like abruptly.

28:41

They are ignoring each other. The

28:43

second thing that happens is that Sky announces

28:45

that they're leaving to go to

28:47

a different hotel, which means there is now

28:49

a power vacuum and Tiff and Jade both

28:52

apply for that position. Oh my

28:54

God. Okay. I am ready for this.

28:56

And I'm also like, did Tiff

28:58

and Wyatt hook up? Like what has happened

29:01

here? Why do you say that? Well,

29:03

just for them to automatically stop talking. I'm like,

29:05

did they hook up? And then she finds out

29:07

he had a girlfriend and then something goes down

29:11

or tell me, tell me it's even crazier than

29:13

that. That is too pedestrian of a theory. Okay.

29:15

Pedestrian way too pedestrian, but we're not going to

29:17

get there for a second. Do

29:20

you try if you and Tiff are both

29:22

applying for this job, that is management of your

29:24

team that you work on. Do you try and

29:26

talk to Tiff about this? No.

29:33

No, I'm like, we're just applying for the

29:35

job. Let the powers that be make the

29:37

decision. Just put my best foot forward.

29:39

Like, I don't, I don't feel like I need to

29:41

talk to Tiff about this. I love this boundary setting

29:43

that you have. You're like firmly, she is not

29:46

my problem. Yeah. Jade

29:48

does not have this like self awareness.

29:50

And so she's like, Tiff, I

29:52

just want you to know that like, I know

29:54

we're both applying for this and like, I'll totally support you

29:56

if you're the one that gets it. And

29:58

Tiff is like, thank you. I'll be happy for you too if

30:01

you're the one that gets it. They're like great. Now

30:03

you've had like a nice tiny conversation.

30:05

Do you want to ask her what's

30:07

happening with her in quiet? Oh

30:10

yeah 100%. That's actually very big of

30:12

them in hindsight to share the all

30:14

the things or whatever. But it's just

30:16

like okay if you get this little

30:18

bit of nice behavior like why not

30:20

see if you can scratch and get

30:22

a bit more. So yes 100%. Yes

30:24

she's like great I'm

30:27

so glad that we're both supportive of

30:29

each other. Is everything okay between you

30:31

and Wyatt? And Tiff's like

30:33

what? And Jade's like oh I

30:35

just noticed that you're not like play fighting

30:37

anymore. And Tiff's like what

30:40

are you talking about? Jade

30:42

like drops it but she's like I feel

30:44

like I'm losing my mind. Like I have

30:46

been watching this these two people play flirt

30:48

for like months. I

30:51

have watched them do these little fights and now Tiff is

30:53

standing in front of me saying like I have no idea

30:55

what you're talking about. We've never done that. I

30:58

just can't imagine what is going to be

31:00

on the other side of this because it's

31:02

like everyone in this hotel has eyes. We

31:04

have seen the play fighting. We've seen the

31:06

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31:09

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31:11

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31:13

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And he's like, a guest has arrived. We've

33:59

got a code. Code yellow

34:01

is when a guest wants something that

34:03

this hotel has not done before. So they

34:05

like don't know how to obtain this thing.

34:08

In this case, it's that this man wants to

34:10

go pearl diving and everyone is

34:13

like, we don't have any guys that do this. We

34:15

don't even really know what this is. Like

34:17

this should be a chaotic moment. But

34:20

as Wyatt is explaining the code yellow, Tiff

34:22

is just like a brick wall, like not

34:24

responding to him at all, clicking around on

34:26

her computer, like not even paying attention. Dear

34:29

Jade, you're sitting at the desk next to Tiff

34:31

listening to Wyatt tell you about this code yellow. What

34:33

do you do here? I

34:37

mean, okay, listen to the code yellow, put your

34:39

job first, figure out all of that stuff. But

34:41

I think once that conversation is over, it's like,

34:44

I have to turn to her and be like, girl,

34:46

what is going on? How are you

34:48

not responding to this at all? Yes,

34:51

Jade is like Tiff, are

34:54

you going to handle this code yellow or do you want

34:56

me to handle it? And Tiff's

34:58

like, I'm not handling it. And

35:00

so Jade's like, okay, Wyatt, come over here. Like what's

35:02

this? Which guest is this? What does

35:04

he need? And Wyatt's like, Oh my God, finally, thank

35:06

you. And then he winks at her and leaps. Luckily

35:09

for Jade, she doesn't have to talk to Tiff about

35:11

her behavior because Sky is still watching this because they're

35:14

staying there until the replacement is chosen

35:16

and trained. So Sky is like, Tiff,

35:20

you cannot ignore the bellman. Like

35:23

it is your job. And a code

35:25

yellow is serious. And

35:27

Tiff's like, yeah, I know I'm sorry. And

35:29

then Sky is like, just because Wyatt

35:32

hit on you, doesn't mean you

35:34

can't ignore him. And

35:36

Tiff is like, okay. And

35:39

Jade in her heart is like, what,

35:41

what? Are you asking a follow up

35:43

here? I'm just like, what,

35:45

what, what? It's

35:48

like the hitting on her. What

35:50

was it for it to cause this

35:52

much of a reaction? Had they not

35:54

play fighting and play flirting for years?

35:57

Like I wonder what this was. Yes,

35:59

Jade's like Tiff. What?

36:01

And TIFF's like, it's nothing.

36:03

He made a pass at me at drinks last week,

36:06

Sky saw it and like helped me shut it down.

36:09

And Jade's like, I do not understand what's

36:11

going on here. Like what is going on?

36:15

Jade's like, theoretically, why it

36:17

has some long distance girlfriend.

36:20

Or he, I guess, could have lied to Miguel

36:22

and it's just like being shady. Like what do

36:25

you what do you think here? I have

36:27

no idea. Because I'm like, wait, wouldn't,

36:29

wouldn't him hitting on her be something

36:31

that's welcome? Like, is she not nudging

36:33

Jade saying, Look, why it is here?

36:36

Yeah, yeah. Where does the girlfriend factor

36:38

into this? If they spend this much

36:40

time at this resort, they get together

36:42

for drinks after work, presumably when they

36:44

drink, they talk about their lives. How

36:46

is it also not out in the

36:48

open that he has a girlfriend? Jade

36:51

gets answers to none of this.

36:53

Instead, the tension between Wyatt and

36:55

TIFF continues to escalate. Like

36:57

she's not talking to him. She won't

37:00

help him at work. Wyatt

37:02

then begins to like go on the offense.

37:04

Like he starts talking to TIFF in an

37:06

exaggerated imitation of like her phone voice. And

37:08

they both start like throwing each other under

37:10

the bus with guests. Right? So like when

37:12

a guest asks Wyatt to help him find

37:15

a date for a wedding, Wyatt will be

37:17

like, Oh my god, Tiffany would love to

37:19

help you with that. So

37:21

Jade keeps having to like intervene in

37:24

these conversations, because she's like, you're gonna

37:26

fuck up the guest experience here. And

37:28

that is like our whole job. Sky

37:31

is on her team about this, obviously. So

37:33

Sky and Jade are like gabbing about this at the counter one

37:35

day. And Sky to Jade is

37:38

like, if Tiffany and Wyatt

37:40

do not stop this like elementary

37:42

school behavior, I'm

37:44

gonna lose my mind. Like it's fucking up our

37:46

job. And Sky is

37:48

like kind of joking, but not

37:50

really. Wyatt overhears this and

37:53

is pissed, like so angry. And

37:55

he leans over the front desk and it's

37:57

like, I know that you will

38:00

that this little like drama gossip club

38:02

is cute, but you are a manager,

38:04

Skye, and this is inappropriate. Like you need to

38:06

stop it. Wow,

38:08

where did Wyatt get boundaries from?

38:10

And also this, this is where

38:12

he's going to step up and

38:14

speak up for himself. Are

38:17

you skeptical of that? You're making a

38:19

skeptical face. Yeah, I'm very, yes,

38:21

I'm skeptical of that. Just like, wait,

38:23

there has been this weird tension now

38:25

for however long and this is the

38:27

moment when I think that Skye is

38:30

actually being very reasonable and saying that

38:32

this is fucking the whole team. Like

38:34

why is Wyatt just now saying something?

38:37

Yes. And I think maybe if Skye

38:39

were staying longer, they would have like investigated

38:41

this, but because Skye is on the way

38:44

out, they're just like, I'm

38:46

sorry, dude, like, my

38:48

dad. Yeah. It

38:51

also sounds like Jade is probably the front

38:53

runner for this job between her and Tiff

38:55

because she's not actively fucking up this team

38:57

as far as we know. So good for

38:59

Jade. Great transition. Thank you. At the end

39:01

of June, Skye comes to Jade and is

39:03

like, congratulations, you got the

39:05

job. You're going to be the manager starting in July.

39:09

Go Jade, our girl. Jade's like,

39:11

oh my God, thank you. She's like ecstatic. She's

39:13

like, this is my career. I'm so happy. I

39:15

really didn't think I would get it. Like thank

39:17

you so much. And then she's

39:19

like, can I ask like why I got it

39:21

over Tiff expecting Skye to

39:24

be like, well, Tiff has been behaving like a

39:26

14 year old with

39:28

Wyatt and so I can't get for this

39:30

job. And Skye is like, oh, Tiff pulled

39:32

her name from the running. But Tiff still

39:34

works there. But Tiff still works there. Jade's

39:37

like, so I was the only applicant.

39:40

And Skye's like, yeah, but that doesn't mean you

39:42

don't deserve it. Would

39:44

you feel bad here? Like how would you feel? I'm

39:47

just like, Jade, don't go into the tidal

39:49

waves. She doesn't be happy you got the

39:51

job. Don't

39:53

do this weird comparison shit. You're getting, you're

39:56

going to get paid more. You're going to

39:58

have more responsibility. Like don't, don't look. ruin

40:00

your self image over that. But

40:03

then also, now she has

40:05

some questions for Tiff and as a manager,

40:07

she can ask that. I

40:10

love this. Jade feels a little bad for

40:12

one second and then she's like, I got

40:14

what I wanted. I don't

40:17

really care. This doesn't matter. Before

40:20

she starts as manager, before Skye's last

40:22

day, she gets to use one of

40:24

the few perks they have in this

40:26

job, which is that for one

40:28

week every year, you get to stay in a

40:31

sister hotel. So Jade takes her

40:33

week vacation in June, she goes away,

40:35

she gets to be a guest, someone

40:37

deals with all of her petty insane

40:39

requests. And then she comes back

40:41

and she's feeling refreshed and good. And

40:44

she comes in on her first day as

40:47

manager and things feel different, partly

40:49

because she's the manager. And

40:51

partly because she has changed her outlook

40:53

on work. She's like, as a manager,

40:56

I have decided that

40:58

I will not replicate the mistakes that

41:00

Skye made. Like Skye encouraged

41:02

the culture of this place to be

41:04

unprofessional and gossipy and deranged. And like,

41:06

I am going to do better as

41:08

a manager. She's like, I'm going to

41:10

become a totally different person who's not

41:13

interested in gossip now that I have this position of

41:15

power. Do you think

41:17

that that's possible? I

41:19

mean, after one week of having people

41:21

cater to all of her crazy requests,

41:23

maybe that changed something in her. Where

41:26

she's like, Oh, I realized how deranged it is

41:28

that I can have a peacock on request. So

41:30

maybe I need to come back down

41:32

to earth. Yeah, she's like,

41:35

she's like, I feel great about this revelation. And I

41:37

think it's the right thing to do until

41:39

she walks in the front doors. And

41:42

she watches Wyatt come up to

41:44

the counter and

41:46

be like, Hey, like lean on it and be like, Hey, can I

41:48

get a pin? And to be

41:50

like, Oh, yeah, of course. Like which pen do you

41:52

want and like fan them out in front of them?

41:55

And she's like, they're getting along.

41:57

They're flirting again. You've

41:59

resolved to never gossip again and you are

42:01

the manager. Do you ask? Yes,

42:05

I ask. Now it is

42:07

totally within my job to know

42:10

about the social well being of this team. So

42:12

yeah, I'm gonna ask. You're just gonna be like,

42:14

what's going on here? What's your move here? Like,

42:16

how do you ask? Um, I think

42:18

that I would frame it as, so

42:20

what has happened in my week

42:22

away? How have the relationships changed?

42:26

You coming back from exile Island? What

42:28

happened in my week away? Jade

42:33

is like, Oh, did you and Wyatt

42:35

like work your little problem out? And

42:37

Tiff is like, what problem? And

42:40

Jade's like, I mean, it seemed like you had a problem

42:42

with Wyatt and Tiff's like, I've never had a problem with

42:44

Wyatt. These people just need

42:46

to be honest about where they're at.

42:48

It's okay. If there's a conflict, Tiff,

42:50

it's okay. It's fine.

42:52

Yeah, exactly. And Jade is like, okay, whatever.

42:54

Like, maybe this is a sign from the

42:56

universe that I was right to try and

42:58

stay out of it. Like, I'm going to

43:00

keep trying. This goes

43:03

on for a few months. Everything is calm.

43:05

Tiff and Wyatt are still flirting all

43:07

the time. And then one day in September,

43:09

Tiff is like, I have to run

43:11

an errand. Can I take my dinner break now? And Jade

43:15

is like, Yeah, no problem. Like, who cares? But

43:17

then when she needs a bellman

43:20

for something and calls one Miguel comes and

43:22

Miguel is like, Oh, Wyatt just took his dinner

43:25

break. Do you have the number of this car detailer that we

43:27

need? A guest is asking. And

43:30

Jade is like, well, well, well, Wyatt is

43:32

on his dinner break at the same time

43:34

as Jade. That's very interesting to me. I'm

43:38

intrigued. I'm like, we need some

43:40

answers. Everybody has been exposed

43:42

to this for too long. We all deserve

43:44

something. I don't like this hot and cold.

43:47

Just tell us what's going on, Tiff. Jade

43:49

is like, it's not really gossiping to speculate

43:52

with your work wife, right? So she and

43:54

Miguel are like, could they be together? Like,

43:56

where could they have gone? What are they

43:59

doing going on? and on. When

44:01

another employee comes up and it's like, what are you

44:03

guys gossiping about? Do

44:05

you tell your employee what you're gossiping

44:07

about? Oh, see,

44:09

I fully agree that there's

44:12

this sanctity in the

44:14

relationship with the work wife where all

44:16

other social decorum gone, you can say

44:18

whatever. Yes. It's a tough

44:20

position because you are the manager. So

44:22

I think you shouldn't be telling this

44:25

other employee. But I get

44:27

the feeling that Jade is going to

44:29

say something. Jade

44:31

is like, it's nothing. We're just

44:33

gabbing. And the

44:35

other employee is like, so you're sure it's

44:37

not about TIFF getting into Wyatt's car. And

44:40

Jade is like, don't tell me about that. I don't

44:42

want to know that. And then the employee leaves and

44:44

she and Miguel are like, what? What

44:48

do you do here? Do you

44:50

do anything? I

44:53

mean, one, continue to gossip with the work

44:55

wife. Yeah. But I think when

44:58

she comes back, I

45:00

think it's reasonable to say, hey, how

45:02

did that errand go? It appears

45:05

that you and Wyatt went on the

45:07

errand together. Was it productive? I think

45:10

you can find a way to ask because at this point

45:13

it's like, come on, guys, it's been years. Yeah,

45:15

they come to the conclusion that Jade

45:17

is getting nothing out of TIFF. Like

45:19

every time she asks a question, TIFF

45:21

just stonewalled her. So they're like, you

45:23

try. Miguel, you try with Wyatt. So

45:26

Miguel goes off and does his job and he comes back

45:28

the next day and he's like, I talked to Wyatt. And

45:31

Wyatt said, they are absolutely not dating. They

45:33

are absolutely not involved. Like he just took

45:36

her on an errand because she needed a

45:38

dress hemmed and his aunt is a tailor.

45:41

I also can't believe that they

45:43

haven't used Miguel and Wyatt's relationship

45:45

as a resource up until this

45:47

point. You mean Miguel has never

45:49

asked Wyatt at all about this?

45:52

I know. It's like boy hour over there where he's

45:54

like, this guy showed me a picture of his

45:56

long distance girlfriend on his Instagram and I asked

45:58

no follow up question. What

46:00

are you doing? He's

46:03

actually like probably one of the worst people

46:05

to have in your gossip arsenal if he is

46:07

not doing the work to get more information too.

46:10

Yes. Luckily in this case Miguel is

46:12

like, oh, it's nice that you like

46:14

hooked Tiff up with your aunt who's

46:16

a tailor, but like why did you

46:18

need to drive her there? Yes.

46:21

And why it's like, oh, oh,

46:23

oh, I've been driving her places because her car is

46:26

broken and she can't afford to get it fixed. And

46:29

Jade in her head is like, this is a little

46:31

like the lady doth protest too much to me. Like

46:34

a lot of excuses happening

46:36

here. But she's like,

46:38

I'm not going to ask Tiff because I am

46:40

reformed. I shan't ask

46:42

her about Wyatt, but as a manager, it

46:45

is perhaps my duty to know

46:47

if her car works. So

46:49

she's like, Tiff, I heard that you're having

46:51

car trouble. Is that true? What happened with

46:54

your car? And Tiff's like, oh, my

46:56

car is broken. And

46:58

Jade is like, oh, I'm so sorry about that. Like,

47:01

let me know if you need anything. And Tiff is like, yeah,

47:03

actually, I do need to talk to you. Can we talk for

47:05

a minute? I'm

47:08

ready for the reveal. Let's go, Tiff.

47:11

Or at least tell us why you don't have the Uber app. Yes.

47:14

Jade is like, it's definitely not

47:16

gossip if she confides in me.

47:19

She's like, come to my office, what's up? And

47:22

Tiff's like, listen, I've

47:24

been dreading telling you this because I know it's going to create all sorts of problems.

47:28

And like the fallout, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And

47:31

Jade's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, get to it. Like, what

47:33

is it? And

47:35

Tiff is like, I put in my request for

47:38

my week at a sister hotel at

47:40

this big, fancy hotel overseas that no one

47:42

ever gets approved for, and I got it.

47:46

And I'm going the first week of October. And

47:50

Jade's stomach plummets into the ground because

47:52

she's like, first off, this is not

47:54

the gossip I wanted. This is managerial

47:56

bullshit. She's like, second,

47:59

the first week of October. October is like the

48:01

biggest week for us this year. We have

48:04

three weddings, two billionaires on site, and a

48:06

conference for food and drink people who when

48:08

they were here last year drinks a whole

48:10

bar out of booze. She's

48:12

like, the staff had been strategizing for this

48:14

for weeks, like months maybe. She's

48:17

like, and Tif is supposed to be the point person for like

48:19

all of these weddings. So

48:21

her leaving for this has fucked up

48:23

everything. What do you do? Well,

48:26

one, it seems like Tif is

48:29

really skilled at fucking up a lot of shit here.

48:32

What do you mean you're leaving during that week? What

48:34

do you mean you have had this weird flirt man's

48:36

forever? What do you mean you

48:39

can't call an Uber when your car

48:41

is in the shop? And also this

48:43

is a very expensive hotel. So I

48:45

would think that like you're at least

48:47

making enough to cover the usual cost

48:49

of living. So Tif, not trusted, but

48:51

this is a moment with privacy. So

48:54

I don't know if Jade's gonna do it, but as

48:56

someone who is really invested in the story, I hope

48:58

she takes this moment to like ask what the fuck

49:00

is going on. Jade is

49:02

like, could you go

49:04

to this fancy hotel any other week instead

49:07

of the first week of October? She does not

49:09

take the wide open door chance to ask a

49:12

question here. And Tif is like,

49:15

no, that's the only week they offered me. But

49:18

Jade does not believe this. And

49:21

with the system that she has,

49:23

she can see whether or not they

49:25

offered Tif more than one week. Do

49:27

you look? Why?

49:31

It's within your managerial right to look.

49:36

Jade looks and she sees that Tif was

49:38

offered three different weeks

49:41

and that Tif chose the one that she would

49:43

be the busiest on. What do you do? So

49:46

is Tif aware that Jade can see

49:48

all of this? I would

49:50

assume so. Okay. I

49:54

feel like she has to go back and say, hey,

49:57

I see that there's actually other weeks. available?

50:00

Can we work something out where maybe

50:02

you get a bit more than a

50:04

week and then you can go at

50:06

a different time? Like maybe we can

50:08

figure out a compromise. I

50:11

love this strategy. Like I love your

50:13

manipulation of it. I think that would

50:15

work perfectly. Jade is like, I'm so

50:17

mad at her that I want her

50:19

out. Like I'll do it without her.

50:22

She can leave for the week, whatever.

50:25

But then the whole lead up to that week,

50:27

she's like panicking and planning and rushing. Like one

50:29

of the brides wants 5000 pink

50:31

roses. So someone has to

50:33

source those. One of the fancy

50:36

guests wants two rooms that connect, but this

50:38

doesn't exist in the hotel. So a contractor

50:40

has to be brought in to like connect

50:42

them. Jesus Christ, I didn't realize that they're

50:45

renovating for these guests. By

50:47

the time the week begins, Jade

50:50

is like, I don't even have time to think about

50:52

Tiff. Like, I only have time to work. And at

50:54

the end of the first day of that week, she's like,

50:56

I'm so exhausted. Like I'm not having a drink at the bar. I'm

50:58

going home and I'm going to sleep. For

51:01

three days. She works so hard that she has like

51:03

no memory of the day before. On

51:06

the fourth day, she's stuck late doing some dumb requests.

51:08

And she's like looking at things on her computer trying

51:10

to find something for a guest. When Miguel comes in

51:12

and he's like, Hey, do you want to get a

51:15

drink at the bar? And

51:17

Jade's like, yeah, I feel like I'm

51:19

absolutely dead. And Miguel is

51:21

like, Oh, why? And she's like,

51:23

I mean, I told you that Tiff is

51:26

gone because like she got into the swanky

51:28

hotel. And so she's left. And

51:30

Miguel is like, Oh my God, I forgot that that was

51:32

this week. Miguel's

51:34

like, isn't it interesting

51:36

that Wyatt is visiting his brother

51:38

in Miami this week? Stop.

51:42

Of course, I was about to ask his Wyatt there

51:44

this week too. But of course they are both gone

51:47

at the same time. And

51:49

also Miguel, you need to be more forthright

51:51

with this information. Yes. Come to the desk

51:53

and tell me immediately. Jade is like,

51:57

this girl screwed up. be

52:00

over is constantly creating problems for

52:02

me. She's like, do you

52:04

think that they're together to

52:06

Miguel? And Miguel is like, yeah, of

52:08

course I think they're together. He's like,

52:10

they're both gone the same week. And

52:12

he's like, isn't swanky hotel like the

52:14

most romantic of all of our hotel

52:16

properties? And Jay's like,

52:19

yeah, I think it's like four couples. And

52:22

Miguel's like, oh my god, it is. You

52:25

and Miguel have the power of management

52:28

and friendship on your side. And you

52:30

want proof that

52:32

they are together. How do

52:35

you get it? Is

52:37

there like an interconnected network

52:40

of welcome team managers at

52:42

the different hotels? Like can

52:44

you reach out to the

52:46

equivalent of you at the swanky hotel and

52:49

figure out who she's with? That is a

52:51

great idea. And they will do it but

52:53

not yet. First thing

52:55

they do is Miguel is like, it's

52:58

an international hotel. He's

53:00

like, what I'm gonna do is I'll

53:02

call Wyatt tomorrow. And this I

53:06

did not know this, these people are very

53:08

smart. Apparently the ringing tone, like when you

53:10

call someone is different in different countries. Oh,

53:13

shit. Okay, I learned something. Yeah. So like

53:15

the US uses like, there's a two

53:17

second ring followed by a four second pause. In

53:24

like the UK, for example, you hear a double ring.

53:27

So like two bring brings followed by a two

53:29

second pause. So

53:33

Miguel is like, I'll call Wyatt tomorrow. If

53:36

the ringer is different, we know he's

53:39

not in Miami. We

53:41

know he's abroad. So Miguel calls in the morning, it

53:44

rings. The ringing tone is

53:46

different. And Wyatt answers

53:48

his phone. And Miguel

53:50

is like, Oh, hey, buddy, like what's up?

53:52

We're just, we're just bored at the front desk.

53:54

And we're wondering if you know where the

53:56

cards are. And why

53:58

it's like what do you mean you're bored? word at the front desk

54:01

because then it's like one of the busiest weeks that

54:03

the hotel has all year and Miguel's like haha yeah

54:05

okay Miguel needed a

54:07

real plan for this I was like

54:09

Miguel needs to be coached through like

54:11

this gossip and information sourcing yes Miguel

54:14

is like yes it's it's

54:16

bad but do you know where the cards are and so

54:18

why it's like yeah like the cards are in the valley

54:20

stand like that it uh Miguel's like great thank you so

54:23

much how's your brother are you having a good a good

54:25

time and why it laughs and

54:27

hangs up the phone now

54:29

they are very

54:31

mad and more suspicious than ever because

54:33

they're like did the two of them leave

54:35

us in this hellscape to go on in

54:38

this secret romantic vacation this is where your

54:40

your idea comes in jade is like I

54:42

don't have access to that hotel system so

54:44

I can't just like look them up she's

54:47

like but I could call the version

54:50

of me that's there and ask

54:53

a strategic question and probably find

54:55

out yes I

54:57

like what jade is doing here this is like

54:59

the way to play the game yes jade what

55:02

kind of strategic question do you want to

55:04

ask you don't want to get caught as

55:07

like being snoopy on your employees mm-hmm and

55:09

you don't want them to find out

55:11

that it's like you calling but you

55:13

want to know for sure that why it is

55:15

there can you call

55:18

and say that you're like the sister

55:20

of somebody and you want to send

55:22

a bottle of champagne or some type

55:25

of like anniversary surprise oh my

55:27

god you're so good at this I'm gonna for calling you

55:29

with my problems um she calls

55:31

and she's like hey

55:34

so sorry we're

55:36

having a bit of an emergency here

55:38

at the hotel could you transfer me

55:40

to Wyatt last names room really quick

55:43

and the her on the other end is like yeah absolutely

55:45

give me one second she

55:50

directly got there the

55:52

transfer signal begins to ring do you

55:55

let it ring no

55:57

because clearly these people are not capable

55:59

of having having the conversation when he picks up.

56:01

Like when you call someone there's the risk they're going

56:03

to pick up and you need a plan for that.

56:05

So no, don't let him pick up. First

56:08

ring Tiffany picks up the phone.

56:10

She's like, hello, Jade hangs

56:12

up. Miguel

56:17

and Jade are like dying. They're in

56:19

hysterics at the front desk. They're like,

56:21

these two think that they're so sneaky.

56:24

They're like acting like they don't go on vacation together.

56:26

Like, come on, we have like solved the mystery. They're

56:28

so proud of themselves. They're patting themselves in the back.

56:31

Wyatt and Tiff returned the next week. They

56:33

had their stories straight. Jade asks Wyatt how

56:35

it was Miami and Wyatt's like, oh, it

56:37

was great. I did a walking tour. I

56:39

ate ceviche. I saw the beach. It

56:41

was so fun. Jade asked Tiff how

56:43

her vacation was. And Tiff's like, oh, it's so

56:46

good. I got them alone time. Jade

56:48

is like, why

56:51

are they like this? Like they're so

56:53

difficult and like, I can't prove

56:55

it. I don't want to deal with them anymore. Like this

56:57

is just annoying me now. I almost

56:59

feel like, OK, if they're not play fighting

57:01

anymore and it's not ruining the guest experience

57:03

and they're not like passively, aggressively handing each

57:06

other pens, at this point I'm going to

57:08

be like, you know what, just go off

57:10

and secretly date. Like fuck it. But then

57:12

I guess they did leave during the busiest

57:14

time of the year. So actually, I think

57:16

I would be salty still. A couple of

57:18

weeks after their trip, Tiff comes

57:20

to Jade and is like, hey, I'm

57:23

putting in my two weeks. She's

57:25

like, I'm transferring to another hotel in like a

57:27

new city. And Jade's

57:29

like, OK, bye. The

57:32

relief I feel. And then she

57:34

immediately is like, where's Miguel? And she goes to Miguel

57:36

and she's like, Miguel, Tiff is leaving. And

57:39

Miguel's like, oh my god, Wyatt is

57:41

also leaving. Like he has transferred to

57:43

a different hotel in that same city.

57:46

So the two of them are like, well,

57:48

well, well. We have all the proof we've ever

57:51

wanted. Like we've solved this mystery.

57:54

We are almost at the end. Whose side are you on? OK.

58:00

I think it's Jade. I think that it's

58:02

always been Jade. I think that perhaps Jade

58:04

could have been more strategic in how she

58:06

went about this. But

58:08

at this point, if I was Jade, I'd be

58:10

like, girl, you won, you got the job, your

58:13

workplace rival is leaving, you don't

58:15

have to do this weird Sherlock Holmes

58:17

shit anymore. And then

58:19

you can have the satisfaction of knowing

58:21

that like they're just out of there

58:23

and you can have this toxic free

58:25

workplace environment. Yes. TIFF

58:28

and Wyatt leave. Bliss. Jade's job

58:30

is so easy. No one's doing play fighting.

58:32

People are just hooking up in a normal

58:35

way that doesn't cause any problems for her.

58:37

A few

58:39

months after this, she's leaving at the end

58:41

of her shift. And she runs into Sky

58:43

on the street. They're

58:45

gapping. They're happy. She's like, Oh

58:47

my God, you'll never believe what

58:49

happened with Wyatt and TIFF. And

58:52

she tells Sky this whole story. And

58:55

Sky is like, Oh my God,

58:57

you don't know. And Jade's

59:00

like, no, what? And

59:03

Sky's like, so I'm friends with TIFF

59:05

sister on Facebook. And

59:07

Jade is like, what, why, like, why would

59:09

you be friends with TIFF sister on Facebook? And

59:11

Sky's like, she's hot. Like, don't worry about it.

59:13

That's not important. Okay.

59:17

So Sky is like a couple of

59:19

weeks ago, I'm on Facebook and I see

59:21

that she posted photos from the fall of

59:23

last year, right? Like an album titled fall,

59:26

whatever year Sky's like, so

59:28

I'm scrolling through the photos and look what I see.

59:31

And they turn their phone around and on

59:33

it is a photo. It is

59:35

a photo of TIFF and Wyatt and

59:37

they are kissing and the sun

59:39

is behind them and they look so

59:41

beautiful. And her hair is so soft

59:44

and sick and gorgeous. And Jade

59:46

is like, wait a second. Is that

59:48

a fucking veil? And Sky

59:53

nods, slips to the

59:55

next photo and they

59:57

are standing at an altar. Like

1:00:01

full tux, full white dress, full

1:00:04

marriage. The two of

1:00:06

them got secret married

1:00:09

in the fall while working at this hotel.

1:00:12

Why is this a secret? Why does this have to be a secret? No, no.

1:00:15

Why is it a secret? Why are they hot and cold

1:00:18

with each other? It'd be

1:00:20

like all the time you can obviously have

1:00:22

these arrangements. Like why is this a secret?

1:00:24

Jane is like, what are the fucking dates

1:00:26

on this? She's like

1:00:28

scrolling through the photos. They got

1:00:30

married the week before Hell Week

1:00:33

and their trip to that hotel was their

1:00:35

honeymoon. So that's how we got into that

1:00:37

hotel was by being like, it's my honeymoon

1:00:39

please. I

1:00:43

think it's very humbling because I was like,

1:00:45

okay, if everyone is gossiping here and Jade

1:00:48

is supposed to be the manager who

1:00:50

knows everything. It's like, I just, these

1:00:52

people have been fucking married and I

1:00:54

had no idea. But I'm

1:00:56

also so confused. Why is this a

1:00:59

secret? I'm sure you could go to

1:01:01

HR and say you're married and it's

1:01:03

fine. Why is this a

1:01:05

secret? What happened to why it's girlfriend

1:01:07

from hours away? Yes.

1:01:10

I don't understand why this is kept

1:01:13

from everybody. No one understands. She goes to

1:01:15

Miguel and she's like, what the fuck is

1:01:17

this? And Miguel is like, oh, maybe that's

1:01:19

why they were fighting because wedding planning is

1:01:22

really stressful. Jade's like, that doesn't make any

1:01:24

sense. Why

1:01:26

did they need to hide this? Jade's

1:01:28

like, I feel like I'm losing my whole mind.

1:01:32

Do you have any theories of

1:01:34

why they might hide this? Why they would feel

1:01:36

the need to hide this? Oh God. I'm

1:01:40

like, was I

1:01:44

really like Adelas, was she worried she wasn't

1:01:46

going to get the manager job? I just,

1:01:49

I cannot think of a reasonable

1:01:51

reason to be hiding this. Yes.

1:01:54

Jade is like, this is going to send me

1:01:56

into like a quick descent into madness. Like I

1:01:58

am going to be. checked into a mental

1:02:01

hospital, I'm going to lose my mind.

1:02:04

So she's like, you know what, fuck it. I'm like going

1:02:06

to bring this to the whole team and see if we

1:02:08

can like, sort it out. Like,

1:02:10

did any of you know

1:02:13

that they were married? No

1:02:16

one knew that they were married. And

1:02:18

everyone's like, did any of you know that they were

1:02:20

dating? And everyone's like, no, we

1:02:23

thought that they were just fighting all the

1:02:25

time. It turns out that

1:02:27

like, basically, they were just like, we want

1:02:29

privacy. And so we won't be telling anyone about

1:02:31

our relationship. Like we want to work the same shift.

1:02:33

We want to be able to carpool. We

1:02:36

don't want anyone in our business. So we

1:02:38

have secrets now. Okay,

1:02:41

boundaries, I guess. But it's like fighting

1:02:43

all the time is such a weird

1:02:45

way to throw people off the scent

1:02:47

because you're just drawing attention to yourself.

1:02:50

Yes. It's like the worst stealth technique

1:02:52

of all time to be like we're

1:02:54

enemies actually. Let's

1:02:56

openly show people that we don't get along.

1:02:59

I don't understand. I don't get it. I

1:03:01

don't understand them. I don't

1:03:03

know. We are at the end of our story. Do you

1:03:05

have any takes? What are your final thoughts? Wait

1:03:07

on me. I mean, I love

1:03:10

how the one Jade did

1:03:12

not complete her mission of having a gossip

1:03:14

free work space. She calls in the whole

1:03:16

department and is like, okay, let's get to

1:03:18

the bottom of this. So

1:03:20

I'm rooting for Jade, but unfortunately

1:03:22

Jade has not hit her goal

1:03:24

during this. I still do not

1:03:27

understand this tip and why a thing at

1:03:30

all. Like truly I don't. And

1:03:32

then I wonder now that

1:03:34

they're in a new city, like

1:03:36

what happens? Is it a clean day

1:03:38

where they can live openly as a

1:03:40

married couple or is this roof going

1:03:42

to continue and they'll never tell their

1:03:44

coworkers about each other. Right. It's like,

1:03:46

is that why you're at different hotels?

1:03:48

So that like you can continue to do

1:03:50

this ruse where like you're just a nobody

1:03:53

who has no interests and no one knows

1:03:55

anything about you. Like imagine being able to

1:03:57

keep that many secrets about yourself. Like certainly

1:03:59

could. not be me. I feel

1:04:01

like you would go home and just scream

1:04:04

or something. I wonder what they talk about

1:04:06

in the car ride home where they're like,

1:04:08

all right, baby, another day down. No one

1:04:11

knows. I think we're just fighting. I guess

1:04:14

that's a question. It's like, do you think it could be

1:04:16

some kind of kink? Like some

1:04:18

reason to like, keep

1:04:21

it a secret? Yeah. What if their

1:04:23

names aren't even Tiff or Wyatt at

1:04:25

all? Like, what if their whole, what if everything

1:04:28

about their identities are fake and what

1:04:30

is not actually following her sister on

1:04:32

Facebook? Like what if nothing is real?

1:04:36

Wow. That's a terrifying and beautiful place

1:04:38

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1:04:40

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1:04:42

you. Thank you so much. It was

1:04:44

an honor to talk about this. I still cannot

1:04:46

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1:04:53

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