0:00

And now move the sticks with

0:03

Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky

0:05

Brooks. What's up, everybody. Welcome

0:08

to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky, Rhett

0:10

as we get our recap in little draft

0:12

recap in guys, Buck, start

0:15

with you. How we doing man?

0:17

Good?

0:17

Djay, A great job

0:19

by you and the crew on the ground in Detroit.

0:22

Rett and I held it down with a few of the other

0:24

guys. It was a long, exhausting

0:27

weekend, but it was one It was really compelling,

0:29

made for really good TV in terms of just

0:31

watching a the offensive centric draft

0:34

go the quarterbacks go in the top

0:37

twelve, and then just watching

0:39

some teams take advantage of the Blue Chippers

0:41

falling down the charts because it was such a

0:43

runal offensive players and quarterbacks early.

0:46

What'd you think, Rep, Yeah,

0:48

I think yeah, I've had that kind

0:51

of question, you know, as as we all kind

0:53

of you know, assessed with our different platforms

0:55

in the way in which we're talking about the draft, like

0:57

that was kind of the question, you know, it was like, all right,

1:00

it is it a state of you know,

1:02

the way football is being played these days,

1:04

and that we got so many of the offensive guys,

1:06

and I'm like, well, if there were. I mean,

1:09

if there was better defensive

1:11

players, they would have been taken.

1:12

In the top ten.

1:13

That's just you know, that's kind of the way it went,

1:15

you know, And that's that's the way it goes. And you

1:17

know, the league obviously valued them a little bit

1:19

lower than everybody else, but that's what happens when you

1:21

get six qbs and a bunch of offensive

1:23

linemen.

1:24

And then we got the run on receivers as well.

1:26

So I love

1:28

that we actually have some cold hard data points

1:30

to talk about here after about a million mock

1:32

drafts and projections.

1:33

So let's rock and roll.

1:36

Yeah, I want I want to hit buck yet on this one

1:38

first before we get into all the recap

1:40

here. But I had a assistant

1:43

GM of a team first of all. Too one

1:46

reached out to me literally a couple hours

1:48

for the draft and said, I think we're going to get six quarterbacks

1:50

in the first thirteen picks. He was pretty

1:52

confident about that, which I, okay, interesting

1:54

that happens. This is crazy. Ended up being six in the first twelve

1:56

picks. But the second one was after the

1:58

first round. I was to a GM and I talked

2:00

to all the time assistant GM. I talked to all the time, and

2:02

he was like, you know, it's it was really helpful all

2:05

the conversations we had kind of scrimmaging this stuff

2:07

out of how this thing could fall and how this thing could

2:09

go. And I thought back to what

2:12

I love so much about this platform and

2:14

what we get to do on Move the Sticks is that

2:16

we get to we get to, you know, think

2:19

through all this stuff before it happens. And Buck,

2:21

I don't know if you thought the same way I did, but as

2:23

the draft was unfolding, I went, we

2:26

kind of we kind of nailed this when

2:28

we did the offense only first round

2:30

mock draft and Bucky and I

2:32

we got through. We got through the thirty

2:35

seven. Yeah, I remember, I got more names.

2:37

We can keep going. We did the defensive

2:39

only mock draft and I'm not kidding it with

2:42

like eighth or ninth pick, and Bucky and I are like, what,

2:44

oh my gosh, Like we had like

2:46

Samers still was like he was like the

2:49

twelfth pick or something like that. Like we just

2:51

ran it was gone. We're like, man,

2:53

this is a lopsided draft.

2:55

It was a lopside of draft.

2:56

And DJ is one of those things because it seems

2:58

like a silly exercise is to do a

3:01

one sided draft. But what it does is

3:03

unless you know where the depth

3:05

of the talent is. And going through

3:07

that first round on our offense, man, we just could have

3:09

ratted off so many more names at the

3:11

end, and then we get to the defensive drafts and we're pulling

3:13

guys that I mean we have on our

3:16

respective sheets is like third and fourth round

3:18

players. They were now having to put in the

3:20

first round of a mid draft.

3:23

So when you get to draft day

3:25

and you're not even paying attention

3:27

to the run, right, You're just like, okay, this player at that

3:29

player, You're like, man, you know what, we haven't had a defensive

3:32

player picked, you know. And

3:34

then so you're down to fourteen

3:36

and fifteen, and now you're like wow.

3:39

And then you go through it and you talked about it.

3:41

Twenty three offensive players picked in the first

3:45

in the first round. And not only that, the

3:47

other thing that stood out to me DJ was

3:50

looking at the first round and the positions. We always

3:52

talk about the premier positions,

3:54

like what are the premium positions on

3:56

our team? And so we talked about eight offensive

3:59

talents to come off the board, right,

4:02

So that seven

4:04

wide receivers coming off the board, six quarterbacks,

4:07

and so we're like.

4:08

All right, well, here we go.

4:09

We talked about a lead that is about passers,

4:12

pass protectors, playmakers, and pass

4:14

rushers.

4:15

Like it's all laid out in the way

4:18

that the.

4:18

Draft came off, and so

4:20

to me, it just continues to talk about

4:22

the changing dynamics of the league and

4:25

if you're not up on it, you

4:27

can get left behind.

4:29

Yeah, we had lost rep

4:31

for a second. I think he's back with us. Rhether, are

4:33

you up and running over there? Maybe

4:36

not, because he's not replying here. So I'll take

4:38

it from here. What's he doing by? What

4:40

is he doing?

4:41

He's just trying to figure it out. He just lost. He's

4:43

trying to figure out.

4:44

I do have more on that, DJ

4:46

like when it comes to the market positions. So I

4:49

pulled out the research packet the first

4:51

three round We always talk about the core players,

4:53

and so we talked about passes, pass protectors, pass

4:55

rushers, and playmakers. So eighteen

4:58

offensive tackles selected in the first three rounds,

5:00

sixteen wide receivers selected in the first three

5:02

rounds, fourteen cornerbacks, and eleven

5:05

edge rushers selected in that span.

5:07

And then you saw like ten

5:10

defensive tackles.

5:11

So when you combine the d tackles

5:13

and the edge rushers, because what we've seen in

5:15

free agency, because you've talked about this, the

5:18

pass rushing defensive tackles, you

5:20

gotta pay a whole lot of money.

5:22

For those guys on the open market.

5:25

And you're just seeing that those five positions

5:28

are now the marquee spots that the money

5:30

is going to, and also where people

5:32

are putting the investment the draft

5:35

capital going to those marquee spots.

5:37

Yeah, I also think there's just some

5:40

drafts where you're gonna be light in some other areas. Like

5:42

I just remember, you know,

5:44

last year, I was

5:46

baffled by the fact that you had some teams that had

5:48

at least a semi tight end need that

5:51

didn't address it. And I'm like, this is

5:53

the best tight end draft we've ever had. You're

5:55

gonna get tight ends in the fifth and sixth round

5:58

last year and it proved out that are

6:00

going to be really, really good quality players. And then

6:02

you flip around to the next year and it's like we fall

6:04

off a cliff at that position.

6:06

So to me, being able to identify

6:09

the strength of a draft and to be able to even

6:11

get on the back end of that. There's so much value.

6:13

You're getting so much value and there's you know, no

6:15

guarantees of what that's going to look like in future drafts.

6:17

So I thought that was fascinating there,

6:19

Buck.

6:20

I want to bring Red in on this because we'll eventually

6:23

have the Michael Pennant's conversation. But DJ,

6:25

you brought up something that made me think about

6:27

this. So you talked about being able to look ahead.

6:29

So we've all worked with teams and part of the thing

6:32

that you do is you know this year's class,

6:34

but you also know what's coming down

6:36

the pipe.

6:37

I do wanted to run on quarterbacks early.

6:40

Is that an indictment on the twenty

6:43

twenty five quarterback class and maybe

6:45

what these teams are projecting out A was

6:47

in twenty twenty five and maybe what's even

6:49

in twenty twenty six when it comes to signal callers.

6:52

Yeah, sure, I mean, like you think about that. You're looking at

6:54

what Quinn Ewers from Texas. You know,

6:56

look a kid from Miami. He was kind of thought about

6:58

going to the league ward and you

7:01

know there's yeah, yeah, of Corse standards,

7:03

you know, be a part of that. And now

7:05

now, I mean, you guys know this, but I've I've heard it from

7:07

a couple of gms that you bring you bring the scouts

7:10

back in, you know, a little bit closer to the end

7:12

of the process, and you start to get their thoughts, you

7:14

know, preliminary thoughts on the twenty five class because

7:16

they've already you know, been into that tape a little

7:18

bit. Right at this point, some of those

7:20

guys and have kind of a feel been into some of

7:22

those schools. They've seen, you know, some of

7:24

these guys play a little bit looking at other prospects.

7:27

So I mean, you do need to have some context

7:29

there on what's coming down the pipe coming

7:31

down the pipeline. Ultimately, you still want the

7:33

value kind of regardless, but it's

7:35

good to have an idea at that point.

7:37

Yeah, I'll push back on that from

7:39

the standpoint, and I've had this conversation with

7:41

the team, and I had this conversation with the general

7:43

manager, who then had to have this conversation

7:46

with his owner because it

7:48

was like, well, it doesn't look like, I mean, this is the

7:50

year to do it, because the next year and then while

7:52

you guys are having that discussion. I went back through and pulled

7:54

it up, like I mean, you can go back through

7:56

the ears. Jayden Daniels this year, perfect example.

7:59

Nobody talked about it.

8:00

Yeah. J J.

8:00

McCarthy before the year, nobody was talking about him

8:03

like this. Anthony rich Burrow, Yeah,

8:05

Anthony Richardson the year before this. Yeah, Joe

8:07

Burrow, you just mentioned. You can go back through obviously,

8:10

Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, you

8:12

know, Joe Burrow. You mentioned Jalen Hurt's

8:14

going as high as he did, you know, Daniel Jones,

8:16

Like we can go Baker Mayfield being the first

8:18

pick. Like every year these guys pop up.

8:20

There's gonna be quarterbacks every year at some

8:22

point time. Every now and then, you're gonna run

8:25

into the Kenny Pickett year where like you

8:27

know, or the the oh

8:30

my gosh, why am I going to draw Geno Smith here?

8:35

J Manuel. That's what I was thinking of, like that year where

8:37

those are going to happen. But those are rare. Those are

8:40

like once every seven eight years. But

8:42

we'll get I want to get to the Atlanta think in a minute, but we'll

8:45

get there. Everybody's been buzzing, but

8:47

I think it's easily the most discussed

8:50

UH pick of the draft and decision and the

8:52

philosophy around it, and we can delve

8:55

all into that, but I do want to start up at

8:57

the very top and just kind

8:59

of unloads stuff that you know, when the draft's

9:01

going much time to get all that stuff out, and there's

9:03

some stuff that we gather that you know, you

9:05

don't share, and then you're waiting until the

9:08

draft comes. Then we can kind of let some of

9:10

that stuff out of the bag here. But so

9:12

Caleb goes one. We talked a bunch about that decision

9:15

been made forever put

9:17

that one to bed. The first decision of the draft

9:19

was two with Washington, and

9:22

I had a chance to talk with Adam Peters about

9:24

what he liked about Jayden Daniels

9:26

a day or two before the draft, and I said, I'll trying

9:28

to kind of go through a couple of these guys. And so when we got

9:30

to Jade and Daniels, some of the things that

9:32

he said that I thought I found fascinating

9:35

was one of the things he mentioned

9:37

was like it hasn't been easy for him, and that's

9:39

a good thing. He's like he's had to go

9:41

through the grind. He said, he's earned every

9:43

single thing that he's gotten. And you

9:46

know, being at the facility every day at

9:48

five am, the fact that receivers

9:50

then started coming in with him at five am,

9:53

Like, you've earned it, You've shown the

9:55

work ethic to be able to grind through this

9:57

thing. Like all that stuff. He's like, he's not

9:59

the loudest guy in the world, is not gonna be the loudest guy

10:01

in the room, but his work ethic is so off

10:04

the charts that everybody else kind

10:06

of falls in line with him from that standpoint.

10:08

I don't know how many people you know, knew that about

10:10

him or appreciated that about him, which I thought was fascinating.

10:13

Then when we got to the UH, when

10:15

we got to talking about him as a player, I

10:18

asked him, I said, what did you learn? What

10:21

did you learn most about Purty? Like

10:23

hitting you guys obviously hit on Purty And what was

10:26

the lesson you took away from that? And

10:28

he said, at the end of

10:30

the day, like who quarterbacks the

10:33

best? He was like

10:35

like in quarterbacking, meaning in

10:37

the pocket on time, getting

10:39

through progressions, getting you out, you know, getting

10:42

you in the right play call, making the right checks,

10:44

protecting the football understanding down

10:46

in distance, like all those factors,

10:48

you know, the clock, all that stuff, like there's that's

10:51

quarterbacking. You know, it's not just throwing, it's

10:53

not just running, it's not being an athlete. It's actually

10:55

quarterbacking. He said, we learned

10:57

with Party. Party was really good at quarterback.

11:00

And then he also had the ability

11:03

to make a man miss if

11:05

necessary a few times a game. And enough

11:07

athleticism. We've talked about that a lot on here.

11:10

Just enough if you're gonna give him some free yards, he take

11:12

it, and enough where you can escape and make

11:14

some plays. But the gist of it was quarterbacking,

11:16

and they felt like just him

11:18

doing the quarterbacking stuff that

11:20

they were in love with. And then you combine

11:23

that with and this is exact phrase

11:25

that he used, there's

11:27

something about being able to in one

11:29

play with your legs or your

11:32

arm, the ability to flip a field. He's

11:34

like the explosives like he can give you

11:36

in the NFL. It's so hard to string

11:38

together drives. He can flip the field

11:40

in one play with his arm or with his legs.

11:42

Bucket.

11:43

Okay, So there's

11:45

so much good stuff to Adam share with you

11:47

about Jayden Daniers. I will

11:49

say this like going all the way back to his time at

11:51

Arizona State. When he left Arizona State, I talked

11:54

to people that were on the staff there, and no one

11:56

expected him to become what he became at LSU.

11:58

Like it was almost like like not

12:00

quite a good riddance, but kind of

12:03

like a shoulder shrug when he left. So then

12:05

he goes to LSU and when he picked LSUDJ.

12:07

I'll be the first to admit having known Jayden

12:10

from watching him at the LAD eleven. I

12:12

was like, man, I don't know what this marriage is gonna be

12:14

like with him and Brian Kelly.

12:15

We all know Brian Kelly. We all like Brian Kelly,

12:17

but Brian Kelly coaches hard, and

12:20

I was like, man, I don't know if he can do it.

12:22

And Jayden not only voluntarily went

12:24

there, he went there to win a job,

12:26

stayed.

12:27

There, and then he eventually flourished.

12:29

So what that told me is,

12:31

oh, this is a guy that you can put anywhere.

12:33

He can deal with any type of coaching and

12:36

find a way to get to the other side. Then

12:38

you hear the reports about him coming in at five

12:40

am. How the receivers and

12:42

teammates liked him and loved him,

12:45

something that was completely counter to

12:47

what you heard at Arizona State. Then

12:49

you begin to think, like, hey, man, this guy is a

12:52

little different. I talked to him over the summer at

12:54

an event, and he has a maturity about

12:56

him. And I know people knock some of these

12:58

quarterbacks on their ab because of the transfers,

13:01

but DJ at that position when Adam

13:03

talks about quarterbacking, it

13:06

takes some experience and some maturity

13:09

in my mind to get to that point where you

13:11

can handle all of that

13:14

and keep everybody on the same

13:16

page. So it is interesting that Adam Peters

13:18

and the commanders really raved about

13:20

those parts of Jayden Daniels.

13:23

And I'm also kind of interested

13:25

guys in DJ.

13:26

I don't know if you had any you know, intel on this, but how

13:28

the Patriots then viewed kind of the flip

13:30

side right for Drake May who had been

13:32

through some hard stuff this last year, but

13:36

man had really you know, passed

13:38

with flying colors in twenty twenty two, and

13:40

then kind of got the flip side of the Daniels

13:42

Burrow bump right.

13:43

Yeah, to me, interesting things on

13:45

that the efforts

13:48

made there were substantial

13:50

to get that pick. So I know it

13:52

had been put out there that New England.

13:55

I mean they hadn't They didn't feel like they had a

13:57

serious offer that would you know that they would contemplate

13:59

moving with the third pick. They were not

14:02

trading the third pick in hindsight, because

14:04

the offers that I know of that got

14:06

sent in there were very substantial

14:08

at the end, like it was a lot a

14:11

like a massive overpay in terms of

14:13

the chart, like lots

14:16

lots lots of good stuff. It wasn't a combination

14:18

of second third round picks, let's just put it that

14:20

way. And they stuck in and

14:22

were able to pick there. And one of the things to

14:25

me that that was telling there

14:28

was I think, not only do they love

14:31

you know the you know, the size, the

14:33

athleticism, the tools, all that stuff, which

14:35

to me matches the division.

14:36

Right.

14:36

We talked about building your team to match your city,

14:38

to match your division. That's that's division

14:41

that's run by Josh Allen. It's a you're playing in

14:43

some cold weather there with the Jets and the Bills, and

14:45

obviously playing your games in Foxboro, big rugged,

14:47

physical guy, so you've got all that stuff. But

14:50

I also think that going in

14:52

there, in the juice and

14:54

the energy that he brought, I

14:57

think I think that sold them, like you

14:59

know, like that was kind of the tipping

15:02

point there. If we're kind of a defensive team

15:04

right now and offense and searching

15:06

in search of an identity, I

15:08

think where and not a shot at

15:11

Mac. But I think Mac could

15:13

bring kind of some of the bravado and the

15:15

confidence, but didn't necessarily have the

15:18

tools behind the bravado and the confidence

15:20

to match, if that makes If

15:22

that makes any sense to whereas I think Drake has

15:24

all that stuff and then he is like

15:27

it just it just oozes with energy

15:29

and juice and passion and excitement,

15:32

but not in a turn you off kind

15:34

of way, kind of more into like this guy, this

15:36

guy loves ball is a ball of energy.

15:39

So I think a lot of the stuff that

15:41

helps Drake is his

15:43

basketball background, right so growing up

15:45

in it, Luke doing it, his brother Bo

15:48

doing it, like his dad was a three sports

15:50

standout in high school.

15:51

He's been around it. In fact, his dad started.

15:54

His granddad is affiliated with a

15:56

Charlotte Sonics, an AAU programmed that had

15:58

Jeff McInnis and Jays and all those guys

16:01

come through when my dad had AAU

16:03

team facing him in the finals all the time. And

16:05

what I can say is, when you've been on that AAU

16:08

circuit or you've been in that basketball

16:10

world, you got to be able to connect with a lot

16:12

of different personalities. So when I see

16:14

Drake show up to the press

16:17

conference with his brothers and his girlfriend

16:19

and he talked about when you get me,

16:21

you get them.

16:22

To me, that was like everything.

16:24

And then Redd had talked about the messages

16:27

that his brothers left on this stuff.

16:30

To me, I think he

16:32

just has it like and I don't know if anyone you

16:34

guys heard about him playing four on four

16:36

the night before the draft up in Detroit.

16:39

His buddy's getting there. To me, DJ,

16:41

that is what it's about. The Carolina people just talk

16:44

about how he's just that guy. He

16:46

just has that infectious

16:49

personality where you just want to be around them.

16:51

And I just think about when he came on the podcast

16:54

and he's yes, sir, no, sir, all

16:56

that, which is great, But his ability

16:58

to connect with his teammates. We

17:00

always talk about quarterback being

17:03

uh like a leadership

17:05

position, but it's one where you got to connect.

17:07

It's one thing to lead. It's another thing you

17:09

got to connect to really leave people. He

17:12

has that, and I think when Elliott Wolf talked

17:14

about he was the only quarterback

17:16

who showed up each and every week at the podium

17:19

win or loss, speaks to his

17:22

his his leadership ability, and his professionalism

17:24

and maturity that that is significant.

17:27

There's some self awareness there too. There's some loyalty

17:29

there too. We know the potential

17:31

offers that he was given to leave you and see

17:34

and go to an even bigger, you know, program,

17:36

and then oh wha, wha.

17:38

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. We're talking about

17:40

bigger. You can talk about bigger.

17:44

Sorry, better, stay better, stay

17:46

better, wealthier,

17:48

Okay, all.

17:49

Right, yeah that's it.

17:51

No, but yeah, look and I remember

17:53

talking to him in the summer and and just

17:55

kind of being like, hey man, you've been a big man on campus

17:58

now since you know, the last couple of months, since this

18:00

season, and you know, people

18:02

are already talking about you being you know, number one,

18:04

number two pick in the draft, Like do you get any time to

18:06

kind of be a student and you enjoy He's

18:08

like, not really, that's all right. Living

18:11

my brother, Like we talk ball all the time. We play

18:13

ball all the time, like it's all about ball for me.

18:15

And so you combine that

18:17

with the tools, obviously, which are

18:20

pretty important prerequisite, and you feel good

18:22

about a face of the franchise that you're

18:24

getting here, which is also part of the equation.

18:26

No doubt. Let's get through a couple more of these picks

18:29

and we'll kind of get through the top ten. Then we'll go have

18:31

some big picture teams that we liked and such.

18:34

Quickly. Four said

18:36

it at the time, there's a time

18:38

for quantity, then there's a time for quality,

18:41

and Buck always uses this line

18:43

when we're talking about championship teams. At the end of the day,

18:45

you're still going to need those eight to twelve Blues. You got

18:47

to have the blue chip players. You win championships

18:49

in this league by having a core group

18:52

of elite players. The Cardinals

18:54

is starting to establish a little bit of roster depth. They

18:56

had all these extra picks, They're able to get more depth. They

18:58

needed blue chip players. There was no way

19:00

they could get cute and trade off of Marvin Harrison

19:02

Junior. You got a blue chip player at a valuable

19:05

position, and it's a need for your roster stick

19:07

and pick. They took him number five

19:09

the the charters. Then I'll get you guys

19:11

thoughts on these. Ripped through these real quick. We told

19:13

everybody that had ears to listen for months and months

19:16

and months. This is not there. We're

19:18

not trying to fake you out. They're Jim Harbaughs,

19:20

not not trying to create a diversion. From

19:23

every time he got before a microphone,

19:25

whether it was at his introductory press conference,

19:28

the Combine owners meetings, pre

19:30

draft conference call, all the guy talked

19:32

about was offensive line and running the

19:34

football and protecting Justin Herbert. It was

19:36

not a smoke screen. This is meat and

19:38

potatoes. This is steak and milk.

19:41

Like.

19:41

This is not a guy who's trying to trick

19:43

anybody. This is exactly who we are, is

19:45

exactly.

19:46

What we do.

19:47

I'd said it on the we said it on here before,

19:49

and I said on the draft, this is him going

19:51

to Stanford and saying Oregon

19:54

and USC and all the high flying stuff.

19:56

That's great. I'll go I'm not chasing

19:59

five star receivers. I'm not chasing

20:01

five star dbs. I'm gonna go sign every

20:03

offensive lineman and tight end that I can possibly

20:05

find and We're going to run it down

20:08

your throats like that is his core

20:10

philosophy. Did the same thing with Ohio State.

20:12

It took a while to get there, but that's eventually

20:15

what he got to and they ended up beating

20:17

him up, so that was not a

20:19

surprise. And then at six we

20:21

had said through the whole process, I don't believe

20:24

that they are a JJ McCarthy team. They

20:26

are a Drake May team. They're gonna try like crazy

20:28

to get from six to three. If they can't get Drake May,

20:31

I think they're gonna be comfortable. And it's not just with Daniel

20:33

Jones. I believe Drew Locke. He's

20:35

got a really good shot of winning

20:37

that job. He's going to be in the mix there. So

20:39

they were comparing, you know, Daniel

20:42

Jones and Drew Locke, and I would emphasis

20:44

on Drew Locke to the quarterbacks that were

20:46

going to be there, and I think the line for them was Drake May.

20:48

After that, they weren't taking that, And I thought the Minnesota

20:51

Vikings were smart and correctly

20:53

reading that situation and not mortgaging

20:56

to go up and get JJ McCarthy. They held

20:58

their water, paid a little and sh urrants

21:00

to get it up one spot at ten and

21:02

ended up getting them. So those are my thoughts

21:05

on kind of you know those top six six

21:07

picks and obviously seven once we got

21:09

to the Titans, they were going to take one of the top two tackles.

21:11

That wasn't a mystery either.

21:13

So two things with both of the teams, well, two

21:16

of the teams that you mentioned. One with the Chargers,

21:18

charge Daman true to the identity Jim Harbough

21:20

telegraphs that he said, this is what it's going

21:22

to be now with Tennessee Titans.

21:25

We all know Rank Carthon right. Ran

21:27

Carthon is a believer in physicality

21:29

and toughness, and even though they brought Brian Callahan

21:32

in and the things that they did in Cincinnati,

21:34

Ran Carthon stayed true to what

21:37

he believes.

21:37

Wins football, and that is at the line

21:39

of scrimmage.

21:40

We talked about being able to get an offensive

21:42

tackle early, coming back later, getting

21:44

the defensive tackle up front, to be able

21:47

to bully people.

21:48

That is how the Tennessee Titans want to do it.

21:49

Because as much as we want to

21:52

build it around Will Levis and allow him

21:54

to do his thing, at some point, the best

21:56

way to protect him is a really

21:58

good offensive line and a really good

22:00

defense that shrinks the game and doesn't

22:03

put so much on them. So teams that

22:05

were trying to stay I would say true to the brand

22:07

to me that stood out in the top.

22:08

Ten, Yeah, I'd say that.

22:10

And then I'd say a theme that we kind of watched

22:12

throughout the draft, especially for the teams that took

22:14

quarterbacks in the first round. The

22:16

first twelve picks went out and supported

22:19

their quarterbacks later on. None

22:21

bigger and better than the Chicago Bears,

22:24

who after all the talk, maybe it's a tackle, maybe

22:26

it's an edge. No, no, no, no, no, it's a wide

22:28

receiver. We're going to put this dude in the

22:31

best possible situation to succeed

22:33

better than we've seen a number one pick at quarterback

22:35

get dropped into.

22:37

I don't know in recent history, did you.

22:39

I can't think of another one that's gone one overall

22:41

and it's been in a better spot with talent around

22:43

him than Caleb Williams,

22:45

especially after the Roman Dunes A.

22:46

Peck Yeah no, And then we would scream

22:49

that form the mountaintops, I kept hearing edge rusher, edge

22:51

rusher, this will be a tackle

22:54

or this will be a wide receiver. But

22:56

I was happy to see him get a Dune's that I always

22:58

text with the buddy in that personnel apartments, santamas

23:01

Is. Look, it's my opinion. Take it, leave

23:03

it whatever it's worth. But it's my favorite kid in the

23:05

draft. I mean, you just throw him in there, and someone

23:07

who's gonna get a master's class

23:09

in route running from Keenan Allen every day

23:11

at practice. It's like you couldn't have a better set

23:13

up for him. I'm gonna get we'll circle back that.

23:16

We're gonna take a break after ten. We'll circle

23:18

back to eight because I know we've got something to chew on there.

23:20

But then you get to ten. Obviously,

23:23

you know we mentioned Minnesota. They get JJ McCarthy,

23:25

they trade up their one spot. The Jets trade back

23:27

one spot. They had the you know

23:29

with the receivers gone and

23:31

off the board. I thought that made their decision

23:33

easy. It's it's a tackle, it's

23:36

insurance. And then even if even

23:38

if if he doesn't win the starting

23:40

job, which I don't anticipate for Sean and

23:42

will I mean have a chance to I guess

23:44

he will compete with Morgan Moses potentially at

23:46

right tackle, but really he's gonna

23:49

he's gonna rep every day in practice. Tern

23:51

Smith doesn't practice, so you're

23:53

gonna play left tackle every day in practice, get

23:55

all those reps, useful reps,

23:57

and then eventually, you know, I hope it doesn't happen, but

23:59

the track record is what it is that eventually

24:02

one of those thirty three year olds is going to break down

24:04

and then he'll he'll be the insurance that can get on

24:06

the field there. But I thought that was their decision there

24:09

for them to make at that point in time. Let's

24:11

take a quick break, guys, because I wanted, I know we all want

24:14

to get some bites at the apple here at picking them break

24:16

with Michael Pennock's the surprise pick of

24:18

the draft, going to the Atlanta Falcons. We'll get to that right

24:20

after this, all

24:25

right, Buck, I have not had a chance to hear

24:28

your thoughts on this. Rhett as well, we haven't

24:30

had a chance to visit. We've been running around

24:32

like crazy, So I want

24:35

to get your guys thoughts on this thing. So Bucky,

24:37

why don't you go first here with Michael Pennox going

24:39

to the Falcons at.

24:40

Eight Okay, So I'm gonna say exactly

24:42

what I said on TV. Good plan,

24:45

questionable execution, good

24:47

plan, and the means of a I

24:50

am all about the quarterback and making sure

24:52

that we have a quarterback that can play. Regardless

24:54

of the amount of money paid to Kirk Cousins,

24:56

it is always good business they have a backup quarterback

24:59

or a young quarter back in the hopper that can eventually

25:02

take over. I would say the

25:04

questionable execution would

25:06

be okay if we really

25:08

thought this was going to be a possibility, and we had to

25:10

know this because free agency happened after

25:13

the combine, so we had an opportunity.

25:15

To meet and see all the young quarterbacks

25:17

out there.

25:18

I don't know if we had to go and get the

25:21

most expensive free agent quarterback on the

25:23

market to do it.

25:26

I'm just saying it like so.

25:27

And I know we can talk about salary cap

25:30

percentage and forty five million is and what it

25:32

used to be based on how much it escalated,

25:35

But what you did and

25:37

going and get Kirk Cousins and then coming to get

25:39

Michael Pennix, it just appears

25:42

that you just don't know what your

25:44

original plan was. And so I

25:47

come from the green Bay school of Hey, you get a

25:49

quarterback, you have somebody. You always have somebody

25:51

ready. This though, is just

25:53

different because the execution

25:56

of the plan was so drastically

25:58

different than any other plan that we've

26:01

seen when it comes to having a secession plan

26:03

in place. Tom Brady was

26:06

not a top ten pick to back

26:08

up, you know, Drew

26:11

Bledsoe. And then even with Tom Brady

26:13

was there and they got quarterbacks, they didn't quarterbacks

26:15

in the first round. Now, I like Michael

26:17

Pennix the player, and I like Kirk Cousins

26:19

the player. I'm just saying, because this is

26:21

so drastically different than anything that we've

26:24

seen, it just takes us a while to

26:26

get comfortable with the notion that you spent

26:29

premier money to acquire free

26:31

agent quarterback and premier draft

26:33

capital to get a quarterback. Even though

26:35

I support the plan, the execution,

26:37

to me, is the question mark that everyone

26:40

has to answer.

26:41

Yeah, look, I think I

26:43

think I can kind of see this from both

26:46

sides of the coin, and if that makes if

26:48

that makes any sense, like I kind of understand

26:50

the logic to have some a need

26:52

and a want for quarterback continuity. I

26:55

gotta tell you, man, it takes some guts, like

26:57

if you're Terry font though, because

27:00

you know, this is a guy we weren't quite sure was

27:02

still going to be there to make

27:04

this head coaching higher and be a part of that search

27:06

this year after the way things had gone the last

27:09

three years, and now if you're talking

27:11

four or five years down the road, like, I don't

27:13

know if you get that much patience in this league anymore.

27:15

And so I think it takes some guts to pull the trigger

27:17

on a pick like that. And

27:19

so I'll have tip to that. And

27:22

then look, you know, especially for a defensive

27:24

minded head coach and Raheem Morris, and that's

27:27

obviously the place that we had been going. It's

27:29

clear the league valued the defense a little bit lower

27:31

down the board, and I think we kind of saw

27:33

that manifest itself. I'd really be curious to see

27:35

where Michael Pennix was on that board, you

27:38

know, and whether the receivers,

27:40

whether the offensive lineman you know, we're all

27:42

really close up there, or whether he was you know,

27:44

that blinking light that we talk about at the

27:46

top of the board. I

27:49

understand it. And look, I know the guaranteed money DJ

27:51

with Cousins, is you know, two years

27:54

of guarantees essentially is

27:56

where we're at. And so would it really be that

27:58

egregious if you don't see Penny until

28:00

year three. The weird part is he feels

28:02

like an NFL ready, dude. You know that's

28:05

the part that feels a little odd to me.

28:06

Okay, this makes no sense to me whatsoever,

28:09

none Like it made little

28:11

sense to me when it happened, and honestly,

28:13

hearing all the reasons of why it makes sense,

28:16

it makes less sense to me after

28:18

having had time to digest this.

28:20

And I'll lay out a couple of reasons for you here.

28:23

Tell me that all start with the first point

28:25

here, Bucky, you mentioned it.

28:27

You have all of the college football season,

28:30

you have the run up to the Combine, the Combine,

28:32

you get a chance to visit with these guys. No,

28:35

not to mention the guy played in the Senior Bowl

28:38

as well. So we've got a college

28:40

season, We've got the Senior Bowl with the

28:43

quarterbacks looking at them there. Then you've

28:45

got the Combine. You know

28:47

that who's picking in front of you. You

28:49

know the number of picks at any

28:51

point in time, any point in time

28:53

through this process was Michael Pennix ever

28:55

talked about being concerned that he would

28:57

be gone before they would have picked at number eight.

29:01

Never, not once was that discussed

29:03

that he would be gone to that point in time. So if

29:06

you were so in love with that, it would have been easy

29:08

for you to say, Okay, we'll keep the forty million

29:10

dollars or we're going to pay Kirk Cousins one hundred

29:13

million dollars, whatever the number is, the guarantees,

29:15

and we'll just be aggressive in this deep

29:17

quarterback class. We like all these guys, and we like

29:20

Pennix. We'll either get him there or we'll have

29:22

to do it. We do, we'll move up and get him, but let's get a

29:24

placeholder in free agency, and you know, we can

29:26

get one of these mid tier guys, but you

29:29

went and got the guy at the very tippy top of the

29:31

market. So that's the first part of it that doesn't

29:33

make any sense to me. But here's the next part.

29:36

This They went out and used as their explanation

29:38

for this pick as the model for

29:40

green Bay, and I've heard that from a bunch

29:43

of people say and using that as as the

29:45

model, this is not even close

29:47

to the same model. Brett Farv

29:49

had been in Green Bay for over a decade,

29:51

Brett Favre had won a Super Bowl. Brett Favi

29:54

had won MVPs. Brett Farv had

29:56

the locker room. Brett Farv had the city,

29:58

he had the fans, he had everyone and behind

30:00

him. Aaron Rodgers, over a decade

30:02

in Green Bay, won a Super Bowl, had

30:04

this. They all know how good this guy is. He's got

30:06

equity out the wazoo, within the city,

30:09

the organization, in the locker room. You

30:11

give Kirk Cousins all this money, but Kirk Cousins

30:13

has zero equity with his teammates. He probably

30:15

hadn't even met half of his teammates. He has

30:17

zero equity in the city. And now

30:20

you just backstopped him with a top ten

30:22

pick. The first bad game,

30:24

maybe it's the first bad throw. You're

30:26

gonna have the entire city clamoring

30:28

for the guy behind him. And how is Kirk Cousins

30:31

gonna feel like he's got No, he hasn't built

30:33

up anything, any kind of equity to be able to say

30:35

like, who cares, I've already done what I've done.

30:37

All of his accomplishments are They're numerous

30:39

in terms of individually, none of them in Atlanta.

30:43

So that's totally apples

30:45

to oranges and puts him in a rough spot where

30:47

the pressure like there's there's a difference

30:49

between motivation, like you pissed off

30:51

Aaron Rodgers and you got two MVPs out of him.

30:53

There's difference between being pissed off and

30:55

then being also uncomfortable, like

30:58

you are making him in a very

31:00

pressurized like. I don't think Aaron Rodgers

31:02

felt pressure. I think Aaron Rodgers was upset,

31:06

whereas Kirk Cousins is going to feel a

31:08

tremendous amount of pressure. Oh, by

31:10

the way, go ahead and learn a new offense, and

31:12

learn your new teammates and try

31:14

and figure all that stuff out, and then now you've

31:16

got it. Just that to

31:18

me, it sets up for what could be a real,

31:21

you know, tender box there that

31:23

could explode. And then the other argument that I'll push

31:26

back on, which was, well,

31:28

we're such a good team, we'll never be

31:30

picking up here again, so we better get our quarterback.

31:33

And I say, well, you can't have both things, Like

31:35

you can't say that we don't want to have a drop

31:37

off from Kirk Cousins before we get

31:39

the next guy. But then we also we're

31:41

never going to be picking this high. Those those two

31:43

things compete against one another. In other words,

31:46

kirk Cousins plays great for two years and

31:48

then maybe kirk Cousins starts to dip. Well,

31:50

once kirk Cousins starts to dip, you are going

31:52

to be picking that high. And you would have an opportunity

31:55

to pick a quarterback. And oh, by the way, if you

31:57

pick the quarterback two to three years from now, you'll

31:59

get the full four or five year benefit of

32:01

having a cheap starting quarterback to

32:03

be able to fill out the rest of your roster. You're

32:05

foregoing that now at this pace. By

32:07

the time he gets on the field, you're gonna get one or two

32:10

years of that benefit of having a cheap quarterback.

32:12

That is it. Yeah.

32:14

The only way I can kind

32:16

of like scrimmage is out

32:19

is they must have had such

32:21

an astronomical grade on Michael Pennix that

32:23

they were forced to do it if they were going to retain

32:25

their credibility within the room.

32:27

With the scouts. Like, that's the only way that

32:29

I could see it.

32:30

Are they so late to that evaluation?

32:32

Bucky working

32:35

to go whatever we gotta do?

32:37

Four four would have traded out five

32:39

would have traded out both those like if

32:41

you don't know, I don't.

32:43

Know, because like if we if we go by the normal

32:46

timeline that we use when

32:48

it comes to scouting, they

32:50

should have known that he was going to be in play for

32:52

them based on all of the

32:55

stuff that was done ahead of the combine, because the

32:57

combine happens before a free agency, after you met

32:59

with him, after you to work out. If you watch him

33:01

at the Senior Bowl, after you've done all of this tape, you

33:03

should have had a great awades. It's like, whoa, this

33:06

guy's gonna come in with I mean, I'll just throw a mythical

33:08

grade. He's gonna come in at seven four,

33:11

like he is at the top of the charte, like we

33:13

we love him.

33:14

We got to have.

33:14

Him to go through all

33:16

of that and to go and get the top free

33:19

agent. And this isn't even

33:21

the same example, because I've heard Pete Carroll talk about

33:23

this when they got Matt Flynn, but then they took Russell

33:25

Wilson.

33:26

He was like the cost of money deals.

33:29

I know that number, no, no,

33:30

no, but I'm just saying, but at the time he was like the

33:33

cost of doing business and free agency cannot

33:35

impact who eventually plays in what you do

33:37

in the draft. So when it comes to

33:40

Kirk Cousins, that's not true because Kirk Cousins

33:42

has to play and DJ, let's

33:45

just talk about the dynamics of the city and

33:47

let's talk about the dynamics of the team. So

33:49

now you have Kirk Cousins, an older quarterback

33:52

coming into the locker room. You got all these

33:54

young playmakers and Bijon Robinson and

33:56

Drake London.

33:57

And Kyle Pitts and all that.

34:00

Michael Pennix, a younger player,

34:02

walks into that room, it's

34:04

gonna be different the connectivity. While

34:07

they may respect Kirk Cousins, they're

34:09

gonna hang with Michael Pennix and so

34:11

what can happen. The chemistry

34:13

and connectivity could be vastly

34:16

different. And so for Kirk Cousins,

34:18

you talk about the pressure and

34:20

we haven't even talked about the elephant in the room. The

34:23

pressure is on him coming off of an achilles.

34:25

So now Kirk Cousins, when he's practicing,

34:28

if he feels a twinge or anything

34:31

like, he can't just say, oh, all of a sudden,

34:33

this went out this and that, Like if

34:35

he gives the ball to Michael Pennix, he

34:38

may never get the ball back, you

34:40

know.

34:40

And so that's the thing we all know.

34:42

In many camps or whatever, it's just a different

34:45

it's just a different animal.

34:46

And I like Michael Pennix,

34:48

and I think I was lobbying. I was getting

34:51

crucified for saying I thought the Raiders should have taken

34:53

Michael Pennox if he was there, And I kept putting him there and people

34:55

saying, there's no, he's a second round player, you can't take him

34:57

there. I'm like, nah, he's better than all the quarterbacks

34:59

that they have, well Kirk Cousins,

35:01

and you can ask Kevin O'Connell about this, but like he

35:03

felt like he was on his way to be an MVP last year.

35:06

If he doesn't get hurt like he was putting up huge numbers,

35:08

I think that's a different quarterback room he's going into

35:10

there than he would have been going into to

35:12

the Raiders. But I want to be careful because I do want

35:14

to let you know, like i'd like Michael Pennix, this

35:17

is not a pro Cousins

35:19

anti Penix. This is just I

35:21

just didn't understand like you could have done one you

35:24

could have done. President could have done Yeah,

35:27

you could have done Cousins all in on Cousins, or

35:29

you could have said, we're gonna wait and we're gonna go Pinick

35:31

and we're alling on Pinis. I think either one of those are

35:33

plans I can get behind. I can be excited about.

35:36

I think the two of them combined together that that's when

35:38

I just don't have hard time just

35:40

figuring that one out.

35:42

Okay, so give me this. How

35:44

could they ever make it right?

35:46

Like, how could we look back at this decision in

35:48

three or four years and say that the Atlanta

35:50

Falcons got it right by doing it the way that they

35:52

did it.

35:52

I would say that almost the same

35:55

thing kind of happens is like, you

35:57

know, Cousins starts off the year on an absolute

35:59

tear and God forbid, but something happens

36:02

and then bam, Michael Penix comes in and they still go

36:04

to the postseason and win, you know, win a couple of games,

36:06

and like they don't have any they don't have

36:08

the quote unquote drop off that they've been trying

36:10

to avoid, whether that happens year one or year two,

36:13

like but uh, you know, or that's

36:15

the only scenario where I can see

36:17

you like where you're like, oh, thank god we did that right,

36:20

thank god we get thank god we got Penix

36:23

when we still had had Cousins rolling and playing

36:25

really well.

36:26

Yeah.

36:26

And the last thing you don't wish that up on any No,

36:29

of course not.

36:30

And I hope that look

36:32

the perfect world is Kirk Cousins plays

36:35

an unbelievable high level for two years and

36:37

then Michael Pennix takes the baton and

36:39

it's just the Super Bowl smooth ride,

36:42

and then Michael Pennox is your quarterback for the next day. And

36:44

I think that's what people have been championing,

36:46

is this is the plan. You're perfect two years

36:48

or two of Cousins and then off to the

36:50

Michael PENNOCKX era. I'm just telling you it

36:54

doesn't always go that smoothly, and it could

36:56

be a tough situation for a

36:59

lot of people. And you nailed it with the young guys

37:01

because I and this is different from the standpoint

37:03

even with Carson Wentz and Hurts, because

37:06

people could look at it and say, well, aren't they glad they took Hurts

37:08

because that worked out? And yes it did. But Carson

37:10

had already established himself there

37:13

had you know, was on his way to an MVP before

37:15

he got hurt. They won a Super Bowl and blah

37:17

blah blah blah blah. So even that, you

37:20

know, it was that was a situation in Philadelphia.

37:23

You remember that all the young guys had all those young receivers,

37:25

and they all went towards towards Hurts,

37:27

which means picking Hurts wasn't the wrong thing.

37:29

In hindsight, maybe you shouldn't have paid Carson Wentz,

37:32

which is what we could be saying, you

37:34

know a year from now, is like, hey, look, Pennix

37:36

has done great and he's taken over and he's won the job.

37:38

Well, then that's awesome, But then man, you way

37:41

overpaid. You shouldn't have done what you did with Kirk

37:43

Cousins. Like that's why I'm getting that. It's like

37:46

it's hard for both of these to be right, Like it's

37:48

gonna be one or the other.

37:50

It'd be fascinating.

37:50

What they've done is they've created a conversation around

37:53

the team that will

37:56

never go away. It won't go away. It's not gonna

37:58

go away for the next three or four years. So

38:00

Rahiem Terry Fino.

38:01

They have to as long as Kirk's there.

38:03

Yeah, yeah, they have to be comfortable living

38:05

in the white noise. And even when Kirk isn't there,

38:07

then all the pressures on Michael Pennix to do it, because

38:10

now he has to justify and validate why

38:12

he was selected eight and why they

38:14

felt compelled to op

38:17

for another quarterback as opposed to the quote

38:19

unquote weapon to help Kirk Cousins.

38:21

It just creates a conversation and a narrative

38:24

that will not go away. And so they play, and they have to

38:26

play really well.

38:27

So many layers to it. I mean, we could literally do

38:29

hours and hours of all the different layers because

38:31

we haven't even talked about the fact that we

38:34

always talk about here. Once you've paid the quarterback,

38:37

you have to maximize your dollars. And

38:39

the value of a top ten pick is you

38:41

get a premium player at a premium

38:44

position for dirt cheap, which then

38:46

you can use that savings instead of having to pay

38:48

a pass rusher twenty five million

38:50

a year at a premier price, I

38:52

can get a premier pass rusher and I'm paying him

38:54

eight million dollars a year. Now I've got all that extra

38:56

money that I can dive you up around the rest of my roster.

38:59

Well that's gone. They just put more money into

39:01

the quarterback room there. So there's a million,

39:04

a million levels to it. But

39:06

who knows, you know, maybe this will maybe we'll all look

39:08

back on it and it was the you know, I want to go

39:10

down as one of the smartest moves in uh AN

39:12

off season history here and uh and

39:14

and all. At least I would have to apologize

39:16

at that point in time.

39:18

New trend I have What's that?

39:22

Was that right?

39:22

I didn't hear you.

39:23

I just said it would be a new trend, A new trend,

39:26

yes, yeah.

39:27

Yes, yes, a new trend that has been set in

39:29

place. So here's here's my uh

39:31

here's my draft post draft analysis

39:34

request. I know draft grades,

39:37

they do, huge clicks. Every

39:39

every place does them. I've had to do in the past.

39:41

I know. I'm sure Buck you've had to do them. I

39:44

don't know if we'rett you've ever had to go down that path. I'm

39:46

sure you guys are. You might be doing one path to the

39:48

draft this week. Get them today, baby, it's

39:50

the worst. Uh So in

39:53

lieu of that, how much more sense does this

39:56

make? So instead of just pulling

39:58

a letter grade out of your backside. How

40:00

about what Jack, our buddy

40:03

Jack Andraid has done in research. At least for me

40:05

personally, I have

40:07

my top one hundred and fifty players. So

40:09

he goes through and he puts a

40:11

point value to it. The number one player

40:14

on my board is worth one hundred and fifty points. The number

40:16

one hundred and fifty player on my board is worth

40:18

one point. So instead of me guessing

40:20

and throwing an arbitrary grade out there, he

40:22

literally tells me the teams that have the most

40:24

total points in terms of who got

40:27

the most value and through the draft.

40:29

So for me this year, it was the Cardinals,

40:31

followed by the Commanders, the Steelers,

40:34

the Bills, and the Eagles. So based

40:36

off of my opinion, that's not like me guessing.

40:38

Those are actually the numbers

40:41

that are represented there, at least in my personal opinion. When

40:43

I get asked who I thought had the best draft, I can

40:45

confidently say, well, the Cardinals, the Commanders,

40:47

the Steelers, the Bills, and the Eagles. Those are my top

40:49

five drafts.

40:51

I mean, so you already

40:54

talked about You already talked about the Cardinals.

40:56

But let's talk about the Steelers, right, and

40:58

the Stillers, we all have ties in that build. I

41:00

will say this, DJ, there is something about a

41:02

team that drafts to the brand. And

41:05

I feel like there were a couple of years but

41:07

the Stellers didn't necessarily draft to the brand.

41:09

They're all the way back now.

41:11

The one thing that shows up in all the

41:13

players that they took, there's an innate

41:15

toughness and physicality that shows up in

41:17

all of the games, even Roman Wilson.

41:19

They play tough, hard nosed

41:22

ball.

41:22

They fit in and everything that

41:24

you see on tape, I can

41:27

look. I can watch the tape and

41:29

I can hear Mike Tomlin's voice talking about

41:31

what he believes in when it comes

41:33

to it. So when those things match

41:35

up, that's when the really good stuff

41:37

happens. So the Pittsburgh still is being back on track.

41:40

You talk about the three offensive linemen that they

41:42

took, McCormick, Fraser,

41:45

and Fontana. Yeah,

41:48

that that all works, and then Peyton Wilson. Look,

41:50

look, I'm a favorite of like all

41:52

of that stuff just kinds of work. I can just see

41:54

the Stillers being back on track because

41:56

they drafted guys that fit the brand.

42:00

I yeah, I love it. Let me it was

42:02

third on my list, Rhett. But then

42:04

if you were going to say who gets the bonus

42:07

points for the identity the Steelers,

42:09

I mean that's they tapped into who they

42:11

are in a big way.

42:12

Yeah, one hundred percent.

42:13

I'll double down on that, and I'll give you one other team from

42:16

beyond your list that I liked. So with

42:18

the Steelers, you know, starting to kind of notice a

42:20

trend there because we were sitting there on the draft broadcast,

42:22

we were showing Zach Frazier absolutely mashing

42:25

dudes's face into the mat on the wrestling

42:27

mat.

42:28

Right.

42:28

Then they come back and they get Peyton Wilson, also

42:31

a champion wrestler, and

42:33

then in the sixth round.

42:35

This, okay, let me take it back.

42:36

So it was texting with with somebody in that building after

42:38

they made the Wilson pick. I was like, yeah,

42:40

you guys can install wrestling that in the middle of the locker

42:42

room and watch these two guys get after

42:44

it. And they were like, yeah, go all the way back to last

42:47

year with Keanu Benten and they

42:49

were like, it's something we value.

42:52

And then they come back and get Logan Lee, a

42:54

two time high school state champion wrestler

42:57

in the state of Iowa.

42:58

In the sixth round. They're gonna have a been

43:00

battle Royale in there each

43:02

and every week during

43:04

practice.

43:05

I'm like this, so we talk about basketball and

43:07

other sports making a difference with

43:10

the Steelers. Like that toughness, that blue collar

43:12

mentality both mentally

43:14

and physically comes to play

43:16

with how they want this team to look. So

43:19

I love that, and I love the way that they kind of followed

43:21

their blueprint the Rams.

43:24

Rams hadn't had a first round pick in almost a decade,

43:27

right since twenty sixteen. They

43:29

come on the clock, patiently, sit and they

43:31

get you know, arguably, you

43:33

know, one of.

43:33

The best edge rushers in this class, right.

43:36

You know, there's some camps like our

43:38

buddy Lanzerlin had Jared

43:41

Versus his fifth overall player.

43:42

Loved Jared verse Obviously the Rams did as

43:44

well.

43:45

They took him at nineteen, and I love that they get

43:47

to come back in the second round

43:49

and take his teammate Braydon Fisk, both

43:51

of whom transferred into Florida State for

43:53

smaller programs, excelled at the higher

43:55

level of competition, played really well

43:57

together, and now get to do it.

43:59

But the best part of about it. DJ

44:01

is.

44:02

They tried to get Jared Verse

44:05

to make the call to Braden Fists to

44:07

say that he was going to be a RAM, but he gets

44:09

just look in LA and traffic and so he

44:12

just was

44:14

pretty slick.

44:15

And else. I love Blake Korum fits what they do.

44:17

I loved it all.

44:18

Yeah, No, they did a great job

44:20

man. I would also add I

44:23

was having a conversation with Howie Roseman

44:26

and we were talking about just the different

44:29

philosophies and strategies when you're approaching

44:31

the draft, and I

44:33

remember saying, look, there's

44:36

different ways to look at it. You can spread all your resources

44:39

around, or you can identify

44:41

what is our biggest problem and

44:43

ferociously attack it and say

44:46

we're going to attack our greatest weakness and we're going to

44:48

solve that. Now we got other not like there other aren't other

44:50

problems elsewhere. We got to try and sort that

44:52

out. But take them, take a

44:54

ton of resources and eliminate your biggest weakness

44:57

and their biggest weakness. We would all agree. You can

44:59

look at all the numbers into it was their secondary

45:01

and they were not good against the pass last year.

45:03

So you go out and you get the other choice.

45:06

They got the top corner in the draft and quenya On Mitchell

45:08

was you know, they either could have taken him or Terry Arnold. Terry

45:10

Arnold, I don't think there was a wrong decision. I think terry On

45:12

was nine overall from me, Mitchell was twelve.

45:15

So and I both elite players, elite

45:17

competitors, elite makeup all that stuff. So

45:19

they get that and then they come back

45:21

as you start to see Cooper Dejeene start to slide

45:24

a little bit, and they're armed with those second

45:26

round picks and they just get aggressive and go up

45:28

and get them. So now you go from a secondary

45:30

that's a major issue to now you bring back

45:32

Chauncey Gardner Johnson, who's fit in well with

45:34

with your team, was great for them previously.

45:37

Now I've got Cooper Degene who can play in the nickel

45:39

and be your big Nichols, an excellent tackler

45:41

as well. And now on the outside of at Quoanya

45:43

Mitchell, they just freaking attacked

45:46

their biggest weakness and just

45:48

like that, I think they not only turn it

45:50

from not being a weakness. I think you can make his case

45:52

if they've got it's a strength like this is a This

45:54

turned out to be a really really good secondary

45:57

now.

45:58

And DJ in essence, what they did is some

46:00

some of the strategies that we talked about. You double

46:02

down position. To me, you just don't get

46:04

one player, you get multiple players. And even though we can

46:06

project Cooper Jjen as a nickel,

46:09

he also can play corners, so you get two DB's

46:11

and then they came back and got a safety as well

46:13

to go and attack it. But we've

46:15

seen the Eagles do this before, like going all the way back

46:18

when they did Leadership Shepherd and Sheeann

46:20

Brown and all those other guys like they have done this

46:22

in the past. So pass off

46:25

to them for being really really aggressive and

46:27

doing that. And the other thing that the Eagles tend

46:29

to do, they tend to do

46:31

it while they still have veterans in place that

46:33

can play. So having Darius Slay still

46:36

around to be able to mentor and kind

46:38

of teach quinnyon Mitchell to me is important.

46:41

We won't talk about this because it's not a draft thing, but

46:43

I thought it was very creative and slick that they signed

46:46

Makai Becton kind of slide him in

46:48

to the thing, because.

46:49

That seems like that's

46:52

another Eagles type move, and then we'll look

46:54

at.

46:54

Awe if he plays really really well,

46:57

Like some teams just get it, interpeers that the field,

46:59

thephy Eagles just get it.

47:00

When it comes to putting together a roster.

47:02

Yeah, and if I was an offensive lineman he needed to

47:05

rehab, I would go to Jeff Stoutlin. So

47:08

just as if you know, I was asked by somebody

47:10

who had options. I don't even know how

47:12

it ended up. I haven't looked at it, but it was it

47:14

was an agent who had a you know, was going to have an undrafted

47:17

quarterback, and he was giving me the long list of teams that

47:19

they had options for, of which San

47:21

Francisco was one of them. And I was like, well,

47:23

yeah, they send him Shanahan, Like that's

47:25

no question, Like who cares if

47:28

he makes a team or not. Just touching the coat is

47:30

going to help him out with

47:32

him. Yeah, he's gonna he's gonna get

47:34

valuable instruction there. And then also you have the point

47:37

that people are like, okay, if he's been touched

47:39

by him, Like okay, I'll uh, he's

47:41

got a big tree. Now, Shanahan's got a big tree. And if

47:43

he's not going enough to make their roster. You can hel him out somewhere

47:45

else. But yeah, I think to me,

47:47

you have to know if you are not going

47:50

to get a starting job, go

47:52

where they're going to help you. Man, go where they're going to be

47:54

able to develop you and get you right. So I thought,

47:56

actually, that was a smart move by McKay Beckton to go

47:58

to Philly. Anything else to you, guys,

48:00

we are we're running up against it here at the end

48:02

of the at the end of the time, reht Buck any other

48:04

final thoughts.

48:05

Here, Yeah, I mean like there

48:07

were other you know, other teams we kind of mentioned

48:09

it that double down on, you

48:11

know, on on position groups. You know, we talked

48:13

about the Steelers with Fatanu and Fraser,

48:16

Raiders did it with Jackson Powers Johnson, which

48:19

you know, we thought was a pretty damn good value for a guy that

48:21

that could have been a first rounder if

48:23

things had fallen the right way. And then they come back

48:25

and get Delmar Glaze after getting brock

48:27

Bowers in the first round something. I don't

48:29

think I read a single mock that had brock Bauers

48:31

going to the to the Raiders at thirteen.

48:34

But what a damn good player that's going to

48:36

be for him to utilize. So I

48:38

think about little like things that we

48:41

didn't necessarily see projected

48:43

anywhere as always kind of fun nuggets

48:45

to see how it ended up that that That was

48:47

something.

48:48

I think the wide receivers at the bottom of the first round

48:50

were intriguing in terms of where they went. One

48:53

that's most intriguing to me. I think

48:55

people are using the incorrect cop

48:57

when they talk about Xavier Worthy going

48:59

with Andy Reid. They keep throwing up Tybreek Hill.

49:02

But I want them to think about DeShawn Jackson

49:04

in Philadelphia and how and

49:07

how Andy Reid used DeShawn Jackson,

49:09

DeShawn Jackson being a pump returner

49:11

and exposive playmaker and just the amount of

49:13

plays that DeShawn Jackson made in Philadelphia

49:16

for Andy Reid. I think that's more

49:19

the comparison. Then, oh, he's gonna do with Tyreek

49:21

Hill? Did different style player more

49:24

similar to DeShawn.

49:25

Jackson as a vertical threat to playmaker.

49:28

Yep, that was fun. And then I also thought it was

49:30

interesting with some of the fits

49:32

we thought for players in the first round,

49:36

if they didn't go that route, it was interesting

49:38

to see them get a similar effects simile of

49:41

the player later on, like the

49:43

Falcons. We thought maybe they take Murphy

49:45

the DT from Texas. Well they don't. Then

49:47

they end up getting Dorless, you know, I

49:49

think in the third round. Yeah,

49:52

yeah, well they got a Roal Road then. To me, but

49:55

a roll ro is not the that's not the

49:57

Murphy style player. Dorless is that

49:59

real upfield guy. So they

50:01

got a little knockoff version of that. We

50:04

I talked about the forty nine ers trying

50:06

to get their version of a tank Dell and maybe Xavier

50:09

Worthy could be their tank Dell. Same offense

50:11

they running Houston Kyle could really use this toy.

50:13

Well they don't get tanked del but they end up getting

50:15

the kid from Arizona and Jacob Cowing who's

50:18

again undersized flyer

50:21

receiver. So that to me was always

50:23

it's always interesting when you have man, I know what,

50:25

I have a real good feel that they want this

50:27

type of a player, but they have to

50:29

decide that they want the premium one

50:32

or are they willing to go down and take in the same category.

50:34

But maybe, you know, maybe it's a third or fourth round,

50:36

a little knockoff version of the same type of player.

50:39

All Right, guys, this has been fun. We're

50:41

going to take a little bit of a break here, so we

50:43

have a little bit of a pause on the podcast. But I

50:45

do appreciate everybody hanging

50:47

with us here and appreciate Buck, you

50:49

and you and RHTT keeping this thing

50:51

rolling during a real busy, hectic week. So I

50:54

appreciate all you guys, and I'll hopefully

50:57

catch up with you guys soon and we'll catch up with the audience

50:59

here after we take a little pause here, but

51:02

we if you had a blast. It's been a great draft season.

51:04

I appreciate you so much, and we'll see you next time

51:06

right here on Move the Sticks.