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Wow,

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Hey everybody, It's Wednesday, April third,

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twenty twenty four. Welcome to the NFL

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Fantasy Football Podcast. So we should probably slow

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down on the eastern Candy to me and your man, nam G. Marcus

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Grand joined by Michael f. Florio and LaQuan

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Jones, and gentlemen, it's nice to have you

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both on the West coast at the same time.

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It feels like it's been a while.

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Yeah, it's been a couple of weeks.

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Man, everybody's traveling. You ain't got no planes

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set up soon, Marcus.

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I mean I may be going somewhere, but you know, I mean,

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my my homeland

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is up north. Like, I'm not going east necessarily.

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We may make a trip, make a pilgrimage

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back to the Bay Area, but nothing immediately planned.

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I just had mom in town.

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So the furthest east we're gonna get, Marcus,

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this summer's can.

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Oh yeah, how's the closest You'll get

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the good pizza too?

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Man? Is it okay? Sure?

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It's funny because I know, like I know all us because like, yeah,

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you missed out on good piece. I'm like, yeah, but we got burritos

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and tacos and like that's a fair. That's

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a fair trade off. I feel like that's a fair trade off.

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It is.

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Yeah, I didn't have any of that stuff until I

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came over here, and I actually do enjoy it. So you

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know, big plus for California.

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Welcome, Welcome. We

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have plit to talk about today. I excited because

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this is one of my favorite shows that we do every year.

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We're going to have Emory hunt on, the

1:26

founder, the creator of the

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Football game Plan. His Draft

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guide is out and now, so we're going to dive

1:33

into sort of his draft process,

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talk about some of the guys he likes. Floria,

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you and I were talking about this before the show that one

1:40

of the reasons we like Emory is

1:42

because, you

1:44

know, he will always highlight

1:46

a couple of guys that maybe we either haven't heard

1:48

of or haven't really talked much about, or

1:51

he will have something in his rankings that kind

1:54

of has a scratching our heads. But the beauty

1:56

of it, Mike is that more often than that, Emory is right

1:58

on a lot of these things. I'm gonna

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age both of us. I

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remember when I first started working with Emery,

2:05

like seven years ago, I was

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like, this guy's crazy, Like the amount

2:09

of names that he has against consensus

2:12

and the guys that like we've never heard of that

2:14

go to these small schools and then the season

2:16

plays out and like you're like, oh, Tarik Cohen

2:18

is in an RB two for fantasy purposes.

2:21

No one had heard the name before Emory was throwing

2:23

it out there. So yeah, genius

2:26

doesn't care at all about consensus.

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And even better than that, he is

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not only watching all of these players, Marcus, like

2:33

he's in person, traveling

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to all these small schools and everything and watching

2:37

these guys play live. So even if

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you don't agree with Emery, you

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should one hundred percent listen and take

2:44

what he says seriously.

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You may disagree with the rankings, you cannot disagree

2:48

with the method because he puts in the legwork.

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As you mentioned, he is traveling around

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the country. He is seeing a lot of these guys

2:55

live. It is legit the

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work that he puts in. And I know there are a

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lot of really good draft guys out there.

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Emries is one that I make sure to pick up every

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single year. So I was able to get that it

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it launched on Monday. I

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picked it up. I am slowly scrolling

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through it while I'm sitting

3:13

at home watching whatever on TV,

3:16

but I would definitely suggest you get it. So

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looking forward to talking to Emory today

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about some of the things in

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the draft guy this year. In the meantime that we

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do have some news and rumors things to dive

3:26

into. And first one, I

3:29

was sort of out of the loop a little bit this weekend, you

3:31

know, had some stuff going on, and I saw

3:33

your text Laquwan about the

3:35

Dolphins and Raheem Moster agreeing

3:37

on a new two year deal worth up to nine

3:40

point zero seven to five million

3:42

dollars. Let's go, look, this

3:44

is coming off what was an amazing season

3:46

for Raheem Moster. I mean he was an absolute

3:49

beast. They also have a guy named

3:51

Devon a Chan who was an absolute

3:53

beast this past year. So

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I'm gonna ask you first, Lakwan, how

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bad is this for eight Chan's fantasy

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value that the Dolphins are re upping with Raheem

4:02

Moster.

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It's kind of bad just based on where the e Chan's ADP

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is right now, because you're you're taking

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a risk there being that Raheem Moster was

4:11

the lead back back there and like we all

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love h and how explosive he is, and when

4:15

he gets the ball in his hand, he could take it to the crib

4:18

at any place of the field. But like Moster

4:20

are still there, he's still healthy, He's still

4:22

playing at a top notch level for the age

4:25

that he's at. I know he has a spotty

4:27

history of injury, but I think A Chan

4:29

is a little too high right now for my price. So

4:31

it definitely does take it step back because

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you know, Raheem Moster's going to get all those goal on

4:35

carries, all the red zone usage, so the touchdown

4:37

upside is going to be there versus where a

4:40

Chan will have to get his more of a

4:42

forty yard plus you know, run or a

4:44

seventy yard plus catch or whatever the case may

4:46

be. But I think we need to draw back

4:48

a little bit on Hn.

4:49

But I mean Flora. For me, it

4:52

just feels like h Chan. We you know, we always

4:54

talk about regression, right It just the R

4:56

word pops up whenever somebody has a big season.

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But in this case, he feels like a prime

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candidate for regression because I

5:03

just don't imagine he's going to average nearly

5:05

eight yards per carry next year. That

5:07

is an insane number.

5:09

I don't care how good you are. It

5:12

just feels really, really impossible. And

5:14

I do feel like people are sort of drafting

5:17

him with the expectation that he remains

5:19

as explosive and is just a big play waiting

5:21

to happen. And I think there will be some there,

5:24

But I just I keep coming back to seven point eight yards

5:26

per carry. I mean that that just feels impossible

5:28

to duplicate again next year, right,

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No.

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Way it is because it was the best

5:34

ever for anyone who had

5:36

many touches. So I'm not one

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in banking on history

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repeating itself and getting even better.

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And then I also I went and looked from

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week three on on the usage.

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Most Are played more SAMs fifty two to forty

5:51

three percent. He had more carries one hundred and eighteen

5:53

to eighty four. Targets went to Devon

5:55

Hn thirty to twenty one HN. They'll

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still had more yards. Mostar had

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a eleven total touchdowns to a Chan's nine.

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I think this is a backfield where both can

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coexist. I think it could be a lot like last

6:07

season, where both weekly

6:11

are battling for RB one fantasy

6:14

output and then the other one could be like an RB

6:16

two The issue is like the

6:19

Kwan was saying Mostart's not going

6:21

away, and everyone was pushing up Ahan

6:23

into top ten, some even into their top five

6:26

running backs because the thought was,

6:28

even if his efficiency takes a bit of a hit,

6:30

but if he is the lead guy in this backfield

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and could get over two hundred touches, he

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could be the RB one. And I still think

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the upside is that high for a

6:39

Chan, but the financial

6:42

investment shows that clearly Raheem

6:44

Mostert is not going away, and

6:47

you would need an injury to one of these two

6:49

for the other to reach their full potential.

6:53

And it looks like in fantasy right now, we're

6:55

gonna get a couple rounds discount,

6:57

maybe even bigger on Raheem Mostert. And well,

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as much as I like a Chan, my approach

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tends to be if it's a split backfield

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and you're gonna give me a big discount on one, that's

7:07

probably the one I'm more interested in.

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So right now, in Best Ball drafts,

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Devon ah Chan is the RB eight ouch.

7:14

Rahi Moster is the RB twenty five.

7:17

That's like in the eighth, ninth round, you're getting

7:19

Moster. That is such a huge blessing

7:21

discount there, and like we're not even talking

7:23

about the possibility of injury with a

7:26

Chan. I mean he came into the season, heard he got

7:28

hurt or in the season came back a little banged up.

7:30

These are things that you have to factor in if spending

7:33

a late second round pick on a running back

7:35

that is a smaller back, and we've seen

7:37

these smaller backs. He's like five nine and eighty

7:39

five pounds, Like this isn't RB one

7:41

workload where he could take all these hits and take all

7:43

these bangs. So right there with most

7:45

are coming back and extension like they know

7:48

what they're doing, you know, interchanging them both because

7:50

both have spotty injury history so far.

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Yeah, I just you know, I like h

7:55

Chan. I think he's a good player. I think he's going to

7:57

continue to be productive. But

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you said, Lakwan, the draft price

8:02

is way too rich for me right

8:04

now. I suspect, because

8:06

this news just came out not that long ago, I

8:08

suspect that in the weeks to come, that

8:11

gap is going to close quite a bit between

8:14

a Chan and most. I think it's going to be more. I

8:16

think it'd be more eight Chan coming down, maybe

8:19

most are moves up a little bit, but I think it's going to be more

8:21

a Chan coming down to meet him

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a little bit at this point.

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But fantasy players love them some upside.

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They do love some upside. Man, they love

8:29

upside, and they love youth, and right now

8:32

that is and speed. Right, so

8:34

all those things are are at a chance.

8:37

I mean most it's got speed. He

8:40

does not have youth on his side. Chan

8:43

checks all those boxes, so I sort of get why

8:46

he is where he is staying

8:48

in the state of Florida. In Jacksonville,

8:50

Doug Peterson says, we have to get Tank

8:53

bigsby going bottom line that

8:55

this year in their running game, they

8:57

want to incorporate bigsby a little bit more.

9:00

Had a really good year last year

9:02

in very very limited oper I shouldn't say very

9:04

good year. That's that's over overstating

9:06

it a little bit. Had some interesting plays, right,

9:08

He started that well, had some fumbles,

9:11

kind of got relegated to very

9:13

few touches, and then by the end, I should say it was just kind

9:15

of not really involved. But

9:18

a guy that they do have expectations

9:21

for. They want to start to lessen

9:23

the workload on Travis etn Floria

9:27

I mean, I don't think anybody is suddenly going out and

9:29

drafting Tank Bigsby all of a sudden. But

9:32

does this mean we should be worried about Travis

9:34

Etn.

9:35

I don't think so. I always

9:38

think it's better to deal with like

9:40

the beasts that you know. Let's

9:42

see how the draft plays out for the Jags.

9:45

But I thought coming out of free agency that Travis

9:47

Etn was one of the big winners because

9:49

I was nervous of them bringing

9:52

in another running back, and with so many

9:54

available and on the move, not just a big

9:56

name free agents, but there was a lot of trades and

9:58

some quality, lower LI level players that

10:01

I thought maybe could come here and eat into Etn's

10:04

workload. You look at what Bigsby

10:06

did last season, fifty carries

10:08

for one hundred and thirty two yards, and

10:11

he had just four targets. So he

10:13

is not a threat at all to eat into those

10:15

valuable, valuable targets. It's something we talk

10:17

about a lot. A target has worked almost

10:19

three times as much value in PPR

10:22

as a single carry is to a running back.

10:25

My only concern is goal

10:27

line work because last year, like you were saying,

10:29

they did try early on to make

10:32

Tank Bigsby the goal line back, but that

10:34

didn't work and ETN was better at it.

10:36

So yeah, they could say all they want that they

10:39

got to get him going. And I do think he

10:41

needs more than the fifty carries he had last

10:43

year, because he needs someone to kind of take some work

10:45

off of Etn's plate. But that could

10:47

be a good thing because then he could be a little bit more fresh and

10:49

a little bit more explosive. But yeah,

10:52

I still am of the mindset that ETN

10:54

them not bringing in another running back and just

10:56

riding with Tanks big D is best case scenario

10:59

for him.

11:00

All right, So I mean, so are you RB

11:02

ten right now? Lq' is that too high? Too

11:04

low?

11:05

Are you feeling uh for travesy

11:07

ten?

11:08

Uh?

11:08

Yeah, I'm not mad at it. I mean he was

11:10

able to produce behind that terrible

11:12

O line. I mean that's pretty much what kind

11:15

of knocked Tank Bigsby as well with that two point six

11:17

yards per carry. I mean, the Jaguars run blocking

11:19

O line was probably one and the worst. I mean, I know

11:21

they were down there in the ranks at thirty first, you know,

11:23

charge probably last as well, But I

11:25

really feel as though if travesy TM was able to produce

11:28

and get targets and get red zone usage. RB

11:30

ten's not bad. I'll take a shot at him at RB

11:32

one.

11:33

Wow, all right, yeah, I mean I guess that would make him a low end

11:36

RB one At this point he was getting that sort of usage.

11:39

This felt, you know, if we were playing Hype

11:41

Trainer smoke screen. I think I'm sort of with you,

11:43

Florio. This feels more like a smoke screen. It

11:45

feels like a thing that the Jaguars

11:47

would like to do. Like, yeah, it'd be nice if we get

11:50

Tank Bigsby more involved. But I think, you know, when

11:52

push comes to shove and we're in the heat of things,

11:55

I don't know that it's actually going to

11:57

happen, at least not in any real serious way,

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barring an injury or anything like that. In

12:04

Cleveland, general manager Andrew Berry

12:06

says the Browns are keeping a conservative

12:08

approach with Nick Chubb's recovery.

12:11

Uh Lakwan Floria and I talked about this a little bit

12:13

last week. We wanted to get your your thoughts on this,

12:15

your expectations for Nick Chubb.

12:18

I mean, right now, he is the RB twenty six.

12:20

In fact, I believe he's just behind

12:23

Uh, he is just behind here. He most are

12:25

one spot there. Your

12:27

expectations for Nick Chubb coming off a major

12:30

serious knee injury last year.

12:32

I like that they're being conservative. But you know,

12:34

if there was anybody on this planet that can

12:36

come back as Superman and be ready to go, I think

12:38

it will be Nick Chubb. So I like that I'm getting

12:40

him in the eighth, ninth round. And you mentioned Moster,

12:43

like there was a real time draft I had on the

12:45

plane. I'm like, I take most of here,

12:47

or do I take Chubb, you know as my RB three.

12:49

Like I feel as though like this is a gift

12:51

here because this is a guy we've seen come

12:53

back, you know, not that he's come back,

12:55

but the guy that is able to be a pure runner,

12:58

a guy that is just running hard. And we see and

13:00

you know in fantasy format to where PPR.

13:02

You know, he's not a guy that gets a bunch of targets, but he's

13:04

still up there in the ranks. And I know we remember

13:07

Adrian Peterson, you know, twenty eleven he came back

13:09

from torny ACM and put up two thousand yards.

13:11

I think this could be a Nick Chubb, you know what

13:13

I mean, Like, I just feel as though he is Superman.

13:16

And now take that blessing, you know, getting him

13:18

in that eighth ninth round.

13:19

I mean we started saying that Adrian Peterson

13:21

was a cyborg after that. I

13:23

mean, you know, I'm I

13:26

do wonder. I mean, I don't know if Nick Chubb is

13:28

cyborg territory. I would love it. But as

13:30

you pointed out Florida, I mean, this is not his first

13:33

major injury in his football

13:35

career to this need. Yeah,

13:38

so you do sort of wonder whether or not that's

13:40

gonna eventually have an impact, and especially this

13:42

year, there are some other guys on this

13:44

roster that can get opportunities, that can take

13:46

some touches. So I our

13:49

fear is that they sort of bring

13:51

him along slowly. They don't necessarily

13:53

rush him back, which is great for his own health,

13:56

it's bad for us in fantasy. I

14:00

don't know.

14:00

Being patient is gonna be hell.

14:03

My approach with Chubb is gonna I'm gonna root hard

14:05

for him. I hope he can. Football is more fun

14:07

when Nick Chubb is Nick Chubb, but it'll

14:09

probably be on someone else's fantasy team.

14:12

Yeah. Oh no, I mean,

14:14

look, but I think that's a fair way to go. Here's there

14:16

are guys that you know,

14:19

you just sort of avoid drafting,

14:21

or you don't draft a lot because there are just too many

14:23

unknown, too many questions, Like there are plenty of guys

14:25

that I will pass up. And I'm like, you know what if this guy succeeds

14:28

somewhere else, good good on him,

14:30

Good on the people that drafted him. Uh,

14:32

it's the risk is not there for me, or

14:34

I don't want to take that risk. So I

14:37

get that.

14:38

Don't make money?

14:40

All right, all right, how's

14:45

not mine right now? But we I mean we will.

14:47

I'm gonna hold you to that, right, I'm gonna I'm gonna see once we

14:49

get to the season, like how much you've

14:51

drafted Nick Chubb and how many spots you've drafted

14:53

Nick Chubb. I sort of your your

14:55

approach on drafting Nick Chub because I assume obviously

14:57

you're drafting him what is like a third running back,

15:00

fourth running back?

15:01

Yeah, kind of just waiting. I'm gonna look at

15:03

my exposure as we speak right now, how much I

15:05

have them, because I might have too much.

15:07

So he's already we're in

15:09

early April, and he's already like, yeah, wet,

15:12

I might have too much exposure to Nick Chubb.

15:16

Not bad, thirty

15:19

yeah, that's terrible.

15:20

It's probably thirty three percent more than I'll have. But

15:25

no, no, what's gonna happen is Nick

15:27

Chubb will post a shirtless video

15:29

of him cutting on grass in

15:32

like June.

15:34

ADP is gonna shoot back up.

15:35

Yep, right by Now that's

15:38

a hundred percent what's going to happen, you

15:40

know, because it always happens to us

15:43

in the middle of the summer, like some guy posts a workout

15:45

video and we're like, oh, and then

15:47

we we draft, we overdraft.

15:49

Remember Mike Davis is quiet

15:51

say this a j Villon.

15:53

These guys are the greatest athletes,

15:55

the best at what they do in the world.

15:58

Obviously, in short no

16:00

shirt, they're going to look amazing. I

16:03

don't know why we continue to fall for the show.

16:06

Every year we fall for the banana and the tail pot.

16:08

It is amazing the picture, and then my

16:10

ADP is going to go down though. That

16:14

funny. We just have fantasy analysts take those sorts

16:16

of pictures and postly they

16:18

do. That should be our next skit

16:20

this summer just getting roasted across

16:23

the internet.

16:23

That'd be hilarious.

16:26

Gonna take a quick break, we come back. Emery

16:28

Hunts will join us to talk some prospects.

16:31

Plus you've probably heard by

16:33

now the Buffalo bill has made a big move

16:35

and went down just as we were talking right now,

16:37

So we will get to that a little bit later on

16:39

in the show. We'll talk about Stefan Diggs

16:42

leaving Buffalo. That's coming up after this. You're

16:44

on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Well,

16:52

I mentioned at the top of the show, this is always one

16:54

of my favorite shows to do every

16:56

year. He's become a tradition here on the NFL

16:58

Fantasy Pod. We talked Emory Hunts,

17:01

the owner of the Football game Plan, and

17:03

it is because one he is awesome

17:06

to talk to. He is very good at what he does, but also

17:08

because his new scouting guide

17:10

is out again for twenty twenty four.

17:13

You can find him on Twitter at f Ball

17:15

game Plan. Emory always enjoy talking

17:18

to you. How is draft season going

17:20

for you?

17:21

Listen, I appreciate you'all bring me on and always

17:23

showing support and is going by great.

17:26

Done now with the Draft guide,

17:28

and now I'm ready to talk

17:30

prospects because I know you guys are tired of talking

17:32

about the.

17:32

Same nine guys, right,

17:37

Yeah, man, it's like it's been you know, there's

17:39

so many names that kind of keep coming up over and over

17:41

again. But that we're part of the reason we like talking to

17:43

you is because you do go a lot deeper, and

17:45

we always talk about the fact that you

17:47

will put us onto guys that either maybe

17:49

we've never heard of, or at least guys that we haven't talked about

17:52

a whole lot. We always go back to the Tarik Cohen

17:55

of the fact that you were bigger on Jamior

17:57

Gibbson. I think a lot of people were both those

17:59

things really panned out. Talk about

18:01

your process though, I mean when you cause you are all you're

18:03

not just sitting down and watching tape. You are watching

18:05

a lot of these guys in person. I mean, talk about

18:08

your process and how you scout

18:10

guys.

18:11

Now, that's a great question.

18:12

Because it starts in December,

18:14

because a lot of people may not know during

18:17

the football season, the fall football season,

18:20

and I have to preface that because people I can

18:22

cover the spring leagues and Canadian

18:24

League and all that, but during the fall football

18:27

season, I cover the NFL. I'm

18:29

doing a pregame postgame show

18:31

for CBS Sports, and I

18:34

call college games on the weekend, so I'm

18:36

watching NFL games and calling

18:38

college games and watching college football. So I don't

18:40

jump into the draft until December,

18:43

when I start going to an All star game. And the first

18:45

one out the gate is the FCS

18:47

Bowl, which is a smaller all star.

18:48

Game at Daytona Beach.

18:49

It's a two day event, so I go down there check

18:51

out prospects, and then all of January I'm at the

18:54

College go On Showcase, the Hula Bowl,

18:57

the Tropical Bowl, East West

18:59

rond And Bowl, then I'm at the Senior Bowl. And

19:01

then in February I go to both

19:03

the NFL Combine and also the HBCU

19:06

Legacy Bawl, which is the last All Star game of the circuit.

19:08

So I go to all these different All Star games

19:11

and those are my first times seeing

19:13

guys live, which is great because we

19:16

can't get food during.

19:17

The All Star Game. Have a guy do a great

19:19

job doing this.

19:20

If you do a great job out there in the All Star game circuit,

19:22

you better do what you're doing out there on

19:25

film. So I see those guys first before

19:27

I go watch the film, spend most of February

19:29

and all of March just breaking down film.

19:31

So my process starts in December and

19:34

usually ends around

19:36

March twenty eighth.

19:38

Yeah, if you ever see a scout out there

19:40

looking real dapper in a nice usually

19:43

bright colored suit.

19:46

Oh not in an All Star games, are you're gonna see me in sweats

19:49

in a hoodie because nowe how go tend these

19:51

places where he at is cold?

19:53

You're

19:55

gonna see me bumpled up.

19:56

Like, but I'm out there and it's

19:59

cool to get out there and get out and seeing these guys

20:01

personally.

20:01

The one All Star game they got rid of was

20:04

out by us, Marcus or we could have been hanged

20:06

doing this in person.

20:07

Yeah right, I

20:09

hate that one.

20:10

I hate that they got rid of it because that was I used to come

20:12

out to Pasadena and I loved it

20:14

out there.

20:14

Man, it felt like that they never ended. You

20:16

know. Yeah, it's perfect.

20:18

Because especially in December, it's still you know, sixty

20:20

degrees and like the sun is out. It's like they're

20:23

still good. They're still good. I

20:25

was talk about some of these guys just kind of dive

20:28

into some of these because you know, you go through, you go

20:30

through the draft guide and you have these guys ranked

20:32

and you get them a rating. One

20:34

of the things that jumped out to me Caleb

20:37

Williams your QB one, No surprise, Jayden

20:39

Daniels at number two, not a big surprise

20:41

there. Number three was Spencer Rattler,

20:44

who this was a guy that I know a couple of years

20:46

ago. He was at Oklahoma. He

20:49

was a Heisman favorite. People thought he was going to

20:51

do big things. He ended up losing his job to

20:53

Caleb Williams, and you

20:55

know, people have sort of, I don't say down

20:57

on him, but he's not getting the kind of love he did maybe two three

21:00

years ago. What is it about Spencer

21:02

Rattler that you have locked in on the.

21:05

Fact that you everything that you just mentioned

21:07

to me, that makes him a tougher, more

21:10

pro ready prospect, right because he has

21:13

gone through some things. So let's say we're comparing

21:15

Spencer Rattler to JJ

21:17

McArthur where everything has been sweet, right,

21:20

and so man, give me the dude that

21:22

has you know, kind of and

21:25

it's gonna sound awful, but it

21:27

makes sense.

21:29

Give me the restaurant that has a D rating.

21:31

Because I know planning right.

21:33

I know the food

21:35

is on point right, So I know Spencer

21:37

Ratler has been through some stuff, but I

21:40

like that he's come out on the other side of

21:42

it and has performed well. Talked about

21:44

how he started. Everybody remember how great he was

21:46

right out of the gate. Then he started to play

21:49

inconsistent ball. His second year got you

21:51

know, bench for Caleb Williams, and Caleb

21:53

Williams did great things right out of the gate,

21:55

so it made Spencer look even worse. Then

21:57

he goes to South Carolina, didn't play well

22:00

until the last six games of twenty twenty

22:02

two where he pulled off those big upsets

22:04

against Hinton Hooker at Tennessee.

22:06

Then he knocked off Clemson.

22:07

Then he did a great job versus Notre Dame, and

22:09

then you saw him this year follow up

22:12

with that. Despite not having the best offensive

22:14

line play, he still was able to keep

22:16

together and play well. I've always said I thought

22:18

he outplayed Drake Me and at opener. Drake

22:20

Me and them won the game, but pound

22:23

for pound, Spencerrella played outplayed

22:25

him in that game. So I feel like he

22:27

is the perfect comparison

22:29

probably for Spencer Rally is what we see

22:32

now from Baker Mayfield. So

22:34

Baker Mayfield as a Buck is different

22:37

than Baker Mayfield as a Brown. And

22:39

I much rather Baker Mayfield

22:41

the buccaneer than Baker Mayfield the Brown or

22:44

even the Panther. And I feel like because

22:46

of what Baker has gone through, he

22:48

is a much better quarterback now

22:50

than he was then. And you want to see

22:52

that progression, but I feel like that's been Rattler's

22:55

mo which is why I like him at three.

22:59

You have Jordan Travis right behind

23:01

him at number four, and Travis got injured

23:03

and it killed f hiss Used chances of making

23:05

the national championship. It also seemingly has

23:07

taken him out of the conversation to be one of the

23:09

top quarterbacks here. But is he being

23:11

overlooked due to his injury.

23:13

Absolutely. People are big

23:16

on what they last seen. So that's

23:18

why whoever's pro day is today is

23:20

going to be the best quarterback in the class.

23:22

Right.

23:22

So last week it was Pennic Week, the

23:24

week before that was JJ McCarthy and then so on and so

23:27

forth. Right, So people are married

23:29

to what they saw last And I

23:31

feel like if he had the chance to go through

23:34

the postseason in college and

23:37

also the postseason All Star Game. Probably would

23:39

have been a Senior Bowl guy. He was at the East West

23:41

Ryan Bowldes doing interviews and

23:43

he was thrown at the combine. People would

23:45

have saw the athleticism and remember that this dude

23:47

is a really good football player, plays a lot

23:49

like Russell Wilson did at NC State,

23:52

But because he got hurt and he think his

23:54

leg got amputated, they just forget

23:56

that he is a really good athletic

23:58

quarterback. Then got

24:00

better. He still has two legs, He's

24:03

gonna be fine. And talking with him at

24:05

a combound he talked about how he got better

24:07

as a passer over the course of

24:09

his career, which is again what you want to

24:11

see for someone that was used

24:13

to wonder whether or not he was gonna end up

24:16

as a quarterback earlier

24:18

in his career, Like, I don't know, man, this guy is

24:21

tough out there to where you need him

24:23

out there to win games for you. You can't win without

24:25

Jordan Travis. That tells you a lot

24:27

of how he progressed and what I

24:29

think about him as a pro prospect.

24:31

I love that di sscrection because the selection committee

24:33

did talk about Jordan Travis as though he you

24:35

know, he lost a leg. It

24:40

was wild. JJ

24:43

McCarthy is a guy who has been a big, big riser

24:45

up a lot of draft boards. I mean people talking

24:47

about him maybe moving up, possibly

24:49

moving up into the top five or six overall.

24:52

At this point, what is driving

24:54

this hype and is it for real

24:56

with McCarthy, it's the quarterback tax

24:58

man.

25:00

Listen, if there's one person

25:02

you blame for all this, it's Kirk Cousins, right,

25:04

you know what I'm saying. If you go back to

25:07

Kirk Cousins in Washington, he

25:09

is the reason why all of these quarterbacks

25:12

are getting paid as if

25:14

they are Patrick Mahomes. But

25:16

shout out to Kirk Cousins for getting everybody paid.

25:18

But I'm saying, you know, when you look at

25:21

people thinking that, oh we need a guy and whoa,

25:23

whoa Cousins. You know, the stats look

25:25

nice, you know, twenty eight touchdowns, four

25:27

picks. Yeah, but he took like

25:30

seventy five sacks. He had like seventy

25:32

five fumbles. That kill drives. But

25:35

the touchdown interception ratio is going to always

25:37

look great because there's a lot of empty calories. And

25:39

I'm not saying JJ McCarthy is Kirk Cousins.

25:41

I'm saying, because people are

25:44

so desperate to make a quarterback

25:46

a savior, they push guys up when

25:48

what you should do is quarterback proof

25:50

your roster to where a guy can come in

25:52

and just be a part of the Wheell be a piece

25:55

of the puzzle, like Rock Party.

25:57

Based off everything that we've seen from brock Purty and

25:59

everything that we know right now from brock Purty,

26:01

you're still not taking brock Purty in the top five

26:03

of an NFL draft, right because

26:06

you know brock Purty is a piece of the puzzle.

26:08

So I feel like JJ McCarthy is a good piece

26:10

of the puzzle.

26:11

Now.

26:11

I'm not gonna knock him for his throws because

26:15

I like it how people used to knock

26:17

option quarterbacks like, oh, he only beat

26:19

ball twelve times, he can't really

26:22

throw, Like yeah, but think about how significant

26:24

those twelve passes had to be. Like, if

26:26

we're only asking you to throw fifteen

26:29

times, you better connect on twelve of

26:31

those fifteen. And that's what

26:33

McCarthy was able to do. And so

26:35

he protects the football, he keeps the offense on

26:37

pace. He's a good athlete, So you can get out there and scramble

26:40

and run and pick up those sheep for his downs. He's

26:42

a good player. I think he's more of a second round type

26:44

pick. But we know the NFL is desperate for those

26:47

those heroes, so they're gonna push everybody. All

26:49

those quarterbacks is gonna go up in the first

26:51

round.

26:52

Look, Tom Brady might be the go, but Kirk Cousins

26:54

is the go to getting paid. And that's what that's

26:56

what really matters. Looking

26:59

over the like, I know you're not a huge fan

27:01

of Boon Knicks stuff like that, but how many

27:04

quarterbacks do you think we could see get drafted

27:06

in the first round this year?

27:08

Oh?

27:09

Probably six, because

27:11

he talked about the four, you

27:14

know, and May McCarthy, Daniels

27:16

and Kaleb and you got

27:18

Pinnis in there. And you know, there's this bow

27:21

Knicks hype too, because he started a lot of

27:23

games. And if

27:25

you look at you got to if you're going to look at Pinnicks

27:27

as a Washington Husky as

27:29

opposed to Indiana Hoosier, you got to look at bow Knicks

27:32

as an Oregon Duck as opposed to an Auburn Tiger.

27:34

And so they've had two separate careers. So

27:37

I could see six going in round

27:40

one because of hey man, what we saw

27:42

from bow Knicks. He got us Oregon

27:45

was in every game. He made some great plays

27:47

off script. He's a good athlete,

27:49

and we know that he can help drive the

27:52

offense. Right, sayme with Pinnis and I

27:54

feel like at some point in time, if you're not going

27:56

to be at the top ten part

27:58

portion of the draft, you don't want to train up draft capital

28:01

and that most important part of the first round

28:04

that has as of today, you

28:06

know, the Vikings, Broncos,

28:08

and Raiders. That's that's what eleven, twelve, and thirteen.

28:11

That's an integral part where you may

28:13

see those three guys go

28:16

to those teams.

28:17

Yeah, I think I think this goes back to your

28:19

thing about the quarterback tax, right, everybody

28:21

feeling like they got to get the guy to

28:23

the point that maybe they start reaching for some guys

28:26

and maybe that pulls a guy or two up where

28:28

he probably wouldn't have been otherwise. I

28:31

want to ask you about running backs because this class hasn't gotten

28:33

a ton of love, and I'm sort of going back and looking at

28:35

it, and I look back at some of the most more recent

28:37

classes where there have been one or two

28:39

really big stars and some other guys who

28:42

look like contributors at the NFL level.

28:45

Is it that this class is really just not

28:47

great or is it just that they don't have the top heaviness

28:50

that we've seen in recent RB classes.

28:52

I think the latter is so true.

28:54

Everyone is looking for, you

28:56

know, the explosive home run hitter

29:00

that can be out there every down, But

29:03

that's not this class. It's not to say that they

29:05

don't have guys that can hit the home run or

29:07

that can be every down backs, but you

29:10

want to see it combined for for two,

29:12

like we said last year with you know, Jamiir

29:14

Gibbs or b John Robinson. Right, but

29:16

there's guys that can end up being starters based

29:18

off how they play. Like a Brellan Allen to me can

29:20

be a starter and if you want to

29:22

get specific, it could be a starter in Dallas,

29:25

right, he could be that Bell Coyle that they need. You

29:27

look at Denver Dinvererent has a bunch of backs.

29:30

They need someone that you can trust to be that

29:32

lead dog, you know, and in

29:34

their backfield, or you look at a lot

29:36

of the other guys, hey man like we

29:38

need someone that can come in and provide

29:40

a Keaton Mitchell spark, or come in and

29:42

provide a spark in terms of

29:45

hey, we need speed and exposiveness on the field.

29:47

There's a bunch of those guys. So I

29:49

feel like this draft has a

29:51

great chance for a team to improve. There

29:53

RB two, there, RB three,

29:56

and maybe a specialist in terms of

29:58

guys that can help you out in a retur hern game

30:00

as well.

30:01

And how much Jonathan Brooks he suffered

30:04

the injury last year, would

30:06

he have been ranked higher by you had he not

30:08

suffered that injury, And what kind of impact do you

30:11

think he could make in the NFL?

30:12

You know, I like Brooks, I do feel

30:14

like for Brooks.

30:17

For me, it was a balance

30:19

issue where I felt like he was getting tipped

30:21

over too often. It's almost like he had

30:23

a clumsy running style like

30:26

Jeremy Lankford or how he used to run,

30:28

where you know, he's a long legged

30:31

guy, where you're running and you

30:33

don't have a good center of gravity and somebody

30:35

hit you on a hip and you tell.

30:37

You topple over. I felt

30:39

like he also, you.

30:40

Know, needed to be a little bit

30:42

more patient behind the line of scrimmage. That's why I

30:44

thought Baxter was a more well

30:46

rounded back at Texas

30:49

as opposed to Brooks.

30:51

So I like Brooks, but I feel like Brooks

30:54

is someone that's kind of like how Latavious

30:56

Murray runs, where you know, you see him

30:58

running tall and get toppled over a little bit.

31:01

You know, they doesn't really have the balance. So

31:03

I feel like that's where Brooks is for me. We wouldn't

31:05

have been RB one. I feel like Alan

31:07

because of his youth, is

31:10

his footwork and his ability

31:12

to really still get better. You

31:16

know, he's like fifteen years old, right, because he started

31:18

college very early.

31:19

He was such a.

31:20

Young player, and so he got a lot

31:22

more runway to work with and still has

31:24

more upside.

31:25

Left in this game.

31:26

You mentioned Latavius Murray, and our

31:28

friend and colleague Adam Rank once said, Latavius

31:30

Murray runs like a door and that's an

31:33

image that has always stuck with me, just

31:35

him running just upright like a door. Point

31:40

Marshaun Lloyd. Look, everybody who listen to

31:42

the show knows that I am I am a usc homer.

31:44

I love to see the sc guys succeed, and he

31:47

was a guy that I thought kind of got misused

31:49

a little bit last year as they really put

31:51

a lot on Caleb Williams. You

31:53

made the comp to Aaron Jones, which I think

31:55

is great. How do you see

31:58

him kind of fitting into the next level.

32:00

I think he's he's Aaron Jones,

32:02

like in terms of how fluid he is a runner.

32:05

I think he'd be someone's starter.

32:07

And it was funny watching him because when

32:10

you're watching him play, maybe it's a USC

32:12

uniform, but I felt like he was five eleven two

32:14

twenty five, and I

32:17

was like, wow, he's.

32:18

That's He's like, wow,

32:21

that's crazy.

32:22

But he runs, he runs,

32:24

He has a he just has a good natural

32:26

running style. He can catch

32:28

the ball well out of the backfield. There's a little

32:30

bit too impatient as well too. You'll see him

32:32

like run uping in the back of a lot, run

32:35

up the back of a lineman, a little.

32:37

Bit too hesitant to get to the whole. Uh.

32:39

And sometimes they'll work out for me.

32:40

You go watch the Colorado game, he kind of ran up the back

32:43

of a lineman but then reverse field

32:45

and then went back and scored like a forty yard touchdown

32:47

runner on a saying on that play and Grant.

32:49

It's Colorado defense like, so you know, take you

32:52

over the grand self, but you saw like the ability to make

32:54

something out of nothing. And I like the

32:56

fact that he is someone that was

32:58

good at South Carolina, transferred

33:01

to USC, got the starting job,

33:03

and still played well.

33:04

So I feel like he.

33:05

Is someone I hate to use the term sleeper

33:08

for a dude that is played at USC.

33:11

In your role at the combine, no one

33:13

is talking enough about Barshon Lloyd.

33:15

Yeah, he is one that I.

33:17

Feel like, as we get closer and closer, has been getting

33:20

a little bit more hype, but still not

33:22

enough. And Emery, you said,

33:24

you're sick of talking about the same nine players

33:27

all the time. Everyone has

33:29

been talking Marvin Harrison Junior for years

33:31

now. But not only is he not your

33:33

wide receiver one, you have

33:36

Keon Coleman and Jermaine Burton over

33:38

him. So I'm sure people when they look at the guy that

33:40

jumps out to them, what is it that you

33:43

like about those two over Marvin Harrison explosiveness?

33:46

And here's the thing, man, People just

33:48

think and we work

33:50

in media, we work for major networks and

33:52

outlets. Not once in a production

33:54

meeting has anyone said hey, do this

33:57

for clicks right now.

34:00

Up, you know what I'm saying.

34:01

So I'm telling you what I feel

34:03

and what I've seen right and how

34:05

I view it.

34:06

When you watch those other receivers

34:08

play, it's heartache or the explosiveness.

34:12

And you know, and that's the biggest

34:14

aspect of today's game

34:16

at receiver, because yes, you want

34:18

to drop back seven step, drop

34:21

good protection and launch a deep ball

34:23

to a big, tall wide receiver. Football isn't

34:25

played that way anymore, so you got

34:27

to be able to take this hitch and go seventy

34:29

yards. Those guys burden

34:33

neighbors a doon'sday. Even

34:36

Coleman people sleep on his his elusiveness

34:39

as a runner. Those guys

34:41

can create after the catch. Not saying Marvin Harrison

34:43

cat can't, but those guys

34:46

do it in a more explosive manner

34:48

than does Marvin Harrison Junior,

34:50

who's a very good receiver. We know he's

34:52

gonna be an insane redizone

34:54

threat, but in terms of creating

34:57

your own shot, you gotta work better off bump

34:59

press, and he has to be

35:01

he has to find ways to create separation because

35:04

NFL defensive backs will be in his hip pocket.

35:06

Consistently.

35:08

I mean, if things get

35:10

bad for Marvin Harrison Junior, I know he's got a guy

35:12

he can call, he can lean on for experience

35:15

and uh some pointers if

35:17

he comes down to it, and in a little bit of cash if

35:19

you need some saving money. I don't. I don't

35:21

think that part is going to be a problem for him at any point.

35:25

Zam. You're Worthy as a guy who blew everybody

35:27

away with his forty time at the combine.

35:29

Uh.

35:30

People love his speed, they love his explosiveness.

35:32

People are worried about his size.

35:35

How does all that factor in? Is the forty

35:37

time overblown or is there is there something really

35:39

there with Worthy?

35:41

There's something really there people people

35:43

look at the forty and forget

35:45

the film. Like I could have told you he

35:47

was fast, like watching How He

35:50

Is Blue Past, you know Bama's

35:52

secondary and like and it was And it was

35:54

great about this year's Bama game

35:57

because last year watching

35:59

him versus you felt like he was a

36:01

double agent, like bro, like, let

36:04

me check your drafts without you know what I'm.

36:06

Saying, because why are you dropping these wide open

36:08

passes?

36:09

But this year did a great job

36:11

getting underneath the reception,

36:13

making some big plays, so I felt like he was a

36:15

little bit more consistent this year and catching the football.

36:18

So his speed is evident. He

36:20

can get deep. He's not just a fast guy that you

36:22

put out there. He is someone as a legit receiver

36:25

that can work himself open. I

36:27

think he's a I think he's a little bit better

36:29

than Hollywood Brown was as a prospect

36:32

according to migrating Scale, and I feel

36:34

like that's something that that has value.

36:36

So, yeah, he could play inside, he could play

36:39

outside as a as a Z receiver.

36:42

But he's not just a fast guy that you just throw

36:44

out there. He's a He's a legit football player that just

36:46

happens to be Olympic type fast.

36:48

Don't let him go to Miami.

36:52

It's funny you mentioned Mark Heith Brown because I keep

36:54

saying that worthy to me just feels like he was

36:56

born to play on the Chiefs like Gett

37:00

Homes that weapon. Good luck the

37:02

rest of the NFL. But this

37:04

class, Emory, not only does it have a ton

37:07

of high end talent, it's deep

37:09

as well. So who are some because

37:12

look, Emery scouts a thousand

37:14

players every year, So who are some of the

37:16

deeper wide receiver the diamond and the rough

37:18

type prospects that you have your eye on.

37:20

Well, and I say this in jest,

37:23

right, because people love to eat eat.

37:25

Like the propaganda is out

37:27

there, right.

37:28

People will sit there and say he comes from

37:30

a small school Colorado, Like you know, they

37:32

try to limit small schools

37:34

to anything not SEC or

37:37

PAC twelve.

37:37

Right.

37:38

No, I'm not gonna let people get away with that, but I will

37:40

say this, Exavier Weaver of

37:43

Colorado.

37:44

Is a really good receiver. No one's talking about fantastic

37:47

receiver.

37:47

He works himself hoping consistently, great

37:50

hands, and he was sure Sanders,

37:52

who is QB one for twenty twenty five, he

37:55

was working himself open. It was his favorite target

37:58

or Sanders consistently open. Now,

38:00

if you want to go deeper, you know, you talk

38:02

about guys that that will

38:04

be these fan favorites come, you know,

38:07

spring and summer. How about

38:09

John Giles of West Florida six

38:12

two to two oh two, the Argonauts Elite

38:15

Leaping Ability. I was at the

38:17

College GRIDN showcase and it's

38:19

it's this is in Fort Worth, Texas. So this

38:22

is first week of January, like the sixth

38:24

through the ninth. So we're talking like

38:27

forty degrees would

38:29

win. So it's cold out there, and

38:31

he's out there just like it's a seventy

38:33

five degree day. Just fluid to Bacon.

38:36

DB's all day and

38:39

got a call up late to the Hula Bowl the

38:42

following week and performed really well there

38:44

on a short notice against

38:47

FBS defensive backs consistently.

38:49

Right then, you saw Kyle Sheets, a receiver

38:51

from Slippery Rock six two

38:53

twenty two. He ran at

38:55

his pro day recently that the Temple's pro day ran

38:58

like low fourth or high four four or

39:00

low four or five. But for someone that's six two twenty

39:03

two, that's that's very good. He's

39:05

able to win off the line of scrimmage. He can

39:07

stack defensive backs, which

39:09

means he keeps it. He keeps that separation

39:11

between him and the defender where it needs

39:13

to be. He can track the ball well deep down the field.

39:16

Plays a lot like Pooka Nakua. You

39:18

know, so that's a name that people

39:21

kind of recognize, But this dude plays this year's

39:23

pookah, this year's year. First you

39:26

see it come out, you know,

39:28

because we all had to meet and you guys say, say something for

39:30

clicks, right, So, but

39:33

he's he's a good one. And there's there's uh,

39:35

you know, there's these two Division three guys I always

39:37

want to bring up because it's

39:39

funny when you watch Division three players

39:42

and you see the guys just do

39:45

things on the field that you don't see you don't

39:48

see from other guys. Right, You're like, all right,

39:50

is this guy fast or is he D three fast?

39:52

Right?

39:53

But then he gets then the kid

39:55

Cole Burgess from Courtland. I

39:57

watched the Division three national championship game and

39:59

it was col Ryland versus North

40:02

Central out of Illinois, and

40:04

they both had elite level

40:06

receivers. Now I knew about Dangelo Hardy, who

40:08

kind of stylistically reminds me of Andre

40:10

Reid. How he's a catch and run guy. He's

40:13

six six feet one nine florid

40:16

athlete, fantastic receiver. I

40:19

want to say he had like two hundred yards receiving in that game

40:22

and they were going score for score. But Burgess.

40:24

I'm watching Burgess' game, his

40:26

regular season games before I watch the championship game. I'm

40:28

like, is this dude legitimately

40:32

did he do something to his highlight table?

40:33

Basically like two times fast

40:36

forward.

40:36

Because the separation is insane

40:39

and he ran a four four forty

40:42

at University of Buffalo's Pro eight. But he's another

40:44

one that's a deep ball type guy.

40:46

He's going to be a zero receiver. He can fly down

40:48

the field. And both of those guys were going

40:50

back and forth. You want to see guys stand out, you

40:53

want to see their speed translates. So those small

40:55

school guys, even from the Division.

40:57

III level, really stood

40:59

out consistently. I didn't see

41:01

any any All Star games for both guys,

41:04

but so you have to trust the tape and trust that they're athleticism

41:07

translation. But for Sheets and Giles,

41:10

those dudes have the goods.

41:12

So as I go through mock drafts looking at

41:14

them, generally, I see anywhere's six, seven,

41:16

maybe eight wide receivers in the first

41:18

round getting drafted. Do you think we get that many?

41:20

Could it be more?

41:22

You know what's funny about that is I feel

41:24

like there's

41:27

gonna be We all know there's a run that starts

41:29

in the draft, and we expect

41:31

quarterbacks to go one, two, three, right, maybe

41:34

even for somebody trades up. But

41:37

wherever the first receiver or

41:40

first tackle is taken, expect

41:42

the next five to be receiver

41:45

or tackle right, So I

41:48

do feel like we'll get six receivers,

41:50

especially with Buffalo just did you know. It's

41:52

like, you know, we can lock Buffalo in for one.

41:56

But I feel like with the elite level,

41:58

top end talent that we have year's class,

42:00

people were in line when they say it's a deep receivers

42:03

classes. It really is, and

42:06

you expect at least five to

42:08

six receivers because there's a variety of

42:10

types of guys. There's tall guys that

42:12

can run, shorter guys

42:14

that can run, guys on both

42:16

sides of the spectrum that can catch and run, and

42:19

so it's a great class

42:22

to get wide receivers. I would say it's probably gonna

42:25

look like twenty fourteen in my opinion.

42:29

So six or seven in round one. I'm thinking

42:31

by the end of night too, we're probably gonna have like fifteen

42:34

off the board.

42:35

Maybe. Well if teams by the guy

42:37

they see we have like eighty

42:40

to go through, we can get draft receivers all

42:42

night, you know what I

42:44

mean.

42:45

Exabula Get Out of South Carolina is

42:47

another one that's really dog one

42:49

good. There's a

42:51

bunch of explosive talents

42:53

that we'll see going round

42:55

two. It's well, we may see the same number replicating

42:58

Round two.

42:59

A lot of a lot of xaviers in this drafts.

43:01

If you're worthies, have your weavers

43:04

game around that two thousand and two thousand

43:06

and one era.

43:08

Apparently what before

43:14

we let you go?

43:15

And I know I asked for some deeper wide

43:17

receiver prospects, but you go eighty eight

43:19

quarterbacks deep. You go hundreds

43:22

of total players deep. Every

43:24

year, there's, like we were saying, Tarik Cohen, there's

43:26

always a couple of guys that you were just higher

43:29

on that most of the public hasn't even

43:31

heard of. So I'm wondering, who is that player

43:33

or maybe a couple of players for you this year.

43:36

I give you a quarterback that that's that no one's

43:38

talking about. Man, It's just I

43:40

was watching as I'm grading uh

43:44

qbs. I'm like, you know,

43:46

I see a guy name and I'm justorry he's a senior.

43:49

All right, let me let me add him in the guy right,

43:51

because there's an ego involved.

43:52

I got to have a lot of you.

43:54

Know, prospects, greedd right, so let me let

43:56

me ask some more guys to his listen. I don' almost

43:59

cut it off at you know sixty, let

44:01

me find twenty eight more guys, right, But

44:03

I'm great in Illinois, and I'm like, yo, this

44:06

dude, John Pattick is is is

44:08

pretty dog gone good? Like he's like

44:11

he got in because the starter got hurt

44:13

All timer Altimayer, I think his

44:15

name is got hurt and

44:17

Paddock was the backup, came

44:19

in and was lighting up

44:22

defenses. I'm like, why is

44:24

this dude awesome man? Why wasn't he at

44:26

an All Star Game? And so I

44:29

think he's like Brock Purdy. So I think

44:31

he's gonna be this year's Brock Purdy. John Pattick why

44:33

quarterback out of Illinois. And

44:36

in terms of running back situation, we

44:39

talked about Marshall Lloyd. I will bring up

44:41

Marcus Knight out of Tennessee

44:43

Tech. And this is another one that just kind of like

44:46

randomly popped up on my radar. And

44:48

because he didn't play in an All Star Game. But I

44:50

was like, I've heard this.

44:52

Dude name before.

44:53

Now I remember, oh, yeah, this is a dude that started

44:56

at Montana that was nice.

44:58

He was nice at Montana. He's six feet hundred,

45:00

twenty two pounds. Kind of reminds you It reminds

45:02

me a lot of Tim high Tower. But

45:04

then he left football at Montana

45:06

and played lacrosse at Montana and I

45:08

was like, well that's pretty interesting. So

45:11

you know, he has the athleticism. Then he goes Tennessee

45:13

Tech and they run a try back system.

45:16

But when he was getting the football, it was like,

45:18

Okay, this dude clearly is running with a purpose.

45:20

He's running finding lane. So he is someone that's

45:22

going to end up on you know, a

45:25

priority free agent type get deal and have

45:27

a fun camp or something that will end

45:29

up making the roster, probably Baltimore, you know,

45:31

and to be one of these backs that we talk about

45:34

that no one has talked about that in mid season

45:36

and who the hell is Marcus Knight?

45:39

There he is.

45:40

But and just to throw it out

45:42

there, defensive guy because I know this is this fantasy,

45:44

but I gotta throw all the defensive guy. But Antonio

45:48

Final if the name sounds familiar, he

45:50

was a five star, number one recruiting the nation that

45:53

went to Alabama, went to a couple

45:55

of practices and then left the team. And

45:58

Nick sables like, well he just quit, right,

46:00

and so he just transferred to another school.

46:03

Penn statean, then transferred to another school

46:05

that didn't play anywhere, then ended up at Lakajuana

46:07

Community College. He's still he's

46:10

still a five star recruit playing

46:12

at Lakajuana, and his tape looks like

46:15

that where he's just like like this, this dude

46:17

is a legit NFL player playing

46:20

against juco talent. And you know

46:22

he's six ' four, two seventy five that

46:24

no one is talked about his protest

46:27

coming up and he's gonna test through the roof.

46:29

But he is someone that if you see

46:31

him get drafted on day three, don't

46:34

think it's an eraror you know that a guy gets drafted

46:36

from Lahajuana Community College. But

46:39

you gotta follow the athletes, and this dude

46:41

is insanely athletic.

46:43

Let me ask you, like real quick, how much harder

46:45

is this now with the transfer portal and guys moving

46:48

everywhere the way they do so hard?

46:50

Man, There's so much time during this great process

46:52

where I wanted to throw my laptop and and

46:54

everything out the windom.

46:55

Like so I'm like, you great a guy?

46:58

Do you like?

46:58

You?

46:58

You go online as you know what

47:01

a search his name is like, you know he has long

47:03

tweets like yeah, I committed to Like, bro,

47:05

what you mean you committed?

47:06

I just graded your film like another

47:09

year. Like so it's hard.

47:11

So I'm glad we're getting back to I think this

47:13

might be the last year because you got freshman

47:16

that started in twenty twenty one, so they don't get

47:18

that COVID year. That's

47:20

the thing that I think we're now going to get back

47:22

to. If you're a senior, you're a senior,

47:25

and I'm glad the.

47:26

COVID guys, I mean you got like twenty five. There's

47:29

a tight end that's legit going to be kicked off

47:31

his parents' health insurance by the Tommy reaches

47:33

the NFL, Like that has to make

47:35

it harder.

47:36

I tell you what, man, you know who is notoriously

47:39

known for this and I noticed this during

47:41

the process, and I'm gonna call him out. Even though

47:43

I like the program. They're a very good program

47:45

at the Division two level. They won that's championship a couple

47:47

of years ago.

47:48

Farah State.

47:49

Like so I'm great and I'm great in d N and I'm

47:51

like, oh, this is nice. Man, Like,

47:53

you know, athletic well put together. Then

47:55

I go and you know, to ask you see

47:57

how the guy that set up and has a session for a career

48:00

lades. All right, let me go put in the stats

48:02

at the bottom and I scrolled

48:04

I don't know what, maybe scrolled out to his birthday and it was

48:06

like ninety six.

48:08

I'm like, hold on, dog, right

48:12

right quick? What are you going up?

48:16

Man out there like quarterback?

48:19

Who I was like, Oh, it's cool.

48:21

Malik uh Mitchell finally

48:23

got an opportunity to start, you know, at

48:25

quarterbackuse he bought his time behind Garrek

48:28

Bernhardt who was twenty nine years

48:30

old. He was a lacrosse dude that played at Maryland

48:32

and so he ended up with the Falcons. Like

48:35

cool, Malik Mitchell got his opportunity, stayed there,

48:37

say the course led them to the playoffs.

48:39

And I'm looking at his his birthday. I'm like, bro,

48:42

you gotta be kidding me.

48:43

Like he was born in ninety seven, ninety

48:46

eight, and he's right now starting quarterback

48:48

for a team of the Indoor

48:50

Football League.

48:51

So he knew the NFL process wasn't

48:53

even wait like Parrish

48:56

State, stop with these old players, man.

48:58

Like, oh

49:01

man, that's great. Her

49:03

as always did, we appreciate the time we appreciate

49:05

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50:16

appreciate your time. Enjoy the rest

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We will definitely talk again soon.

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Absolutely as that

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Let's push that now.

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50:36

enjoyed draft season. Do we'll catch up.

50:38

Thank you, guys, appreciate it.

50:39

We's like a quick break, come back. Talk some Stefan

50:42

digs. He's got some new digs down

50:44

there in Houston. Talk about that next

50:46

on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Well,

50:54

the big news happening as

50:56

we were starting the show and could

50:59

not go without talking about it, and that is the

51:02

Bills trading Stefan Diggs

51:04

to the Houston Texans. In return,

51:06

they get a second round pick in twenty twenty

51:09

five. So, Floria,

51:11

I mean, let's just you are here. I'm sure you are in

51:13

your feelings, your initial thoughts

51:15

on Stefan Diggs no longer being

51:18

in Western New York.

51:19

I hate it.

51:20

I hate it. I hate it.

51:21

I hate it.

51:21

I hate it. I look.

51:25

I think Bills fans are going through it right now. A

51:27

lot of them have been tweeting

51:29

me and saying stuff that I've been

51:31

saying for a while now. Like he declined

51:34

under Joe Brady, he averaged forty

51:36

three yards per.

51:37

Game under Joe Brady.

51:38

No denying that his worst

51:40

month statistically every year since he's

51:42

been a Buffalo Bill is December.

51:45

He's in the playoff games where the Bills

51:48

have been eliminated, he's largely been

51:50

held in check. I said after

51:52

their loss to the Chiefs this year that I actually

51:54

have doubts for the first time about if

51:57

Diggs is the answer for wide

51:59

receiver war So I

52:01

would be okay moving on

52:05

if it just came at a better Like to me,

52:08

it's the fact that they're eating nearly thirty million

52:10

in dead cap, that they're giving up two additional

52:12

draft picks, and they're just getting

52:14

a second round pick next year.

52:17

Every free agent that could make an impact has

52:19

already found a home. So

52:22

yeah, they're kind of putting all their eggs in the

52:24

basket of trying

52:26

to replace him. Via the draft. I

52:29

don't think they have enough firepower though to get one

52:31

of the big three wide receivers and know of I

52:33

mean, look, we know Emery Hunt, loves

52:35

Keyon Coleman and Jermaine Burton,

52:38

and there's other names out there that they can get.

52:40

But I believe when you

52:43

have a twenty eight year old quarterback

52:45

that I truly believe is a top two quarterback

52:47

walking the planet. At worst, he's top

52:49

four, your goal every year

52:51

is how can we get as best suited

52:53

as possible to win a Super Bowl? And I

52:56

think the Bills are right

52:58

now further from the super Bowl than they were twenty

53:00

four hours ago.

53:01

I mean, I think they are as well. The problem is

53:03

I don't see them trading up right, I mean herely

53:05

is they have given up a lot this offseason,

53:08

right. They lose they trade Stefan Diggs, They've lost

53:10

Gabe Davis, They've they've lost some stuff along

53:12

the offensive line. If anything,

53:14

they need to be trying to acquire more

53:17

draft capital, trying to acquire more assets

53:19

that way. And I don't think they're in a position

53:21

really to be giving up draft assets to

53:24

move up, even to get at one of the top

53:26

level wide receivers. I guess the good news

53:28

is that because this draft is deep, there's

53:31

likely going to be somebody there for them

53:33

at number twenty eight, and at some point they're going to

53:35

have to make a move to fill one

53:38

of those gaps. Now, because you have lost

53:40

your top two wide receivers. I don't remember who I saw

53:42

tweeted, I'm sorry for now remembering, but none

53:45

of the wide receivers from the

53:47

thirteen second game are there anymore.

53:50

They're all gone.

53:52

Room Stefon Diggs had in that thirteen second

53:55

game seven,

53:59

So yeah, that it

54:02

hurts. But the thing

54:04

is he is, as a long

54:06

time suffering Bills fan, he is the best

54:08

wide receiver they've ever had since I've started

54:11

watching them, and that that goes back

54:13

over twenty years.

54:14

So all right, so let's talk about this fantasy

54:16

wise though, right it's just starting in Buffalo

54:18

because Josh Allen has sort of been the undisputed

54:20

QB one for a while now. But now he

54:22

doesn't have Gabe Davis, he doesn't have Stefan

54:24

Diggs. Yes, he does have Dalton Kincaid

54:26

and James Cook, Khalil

54:29

Shakir. Is he and he can

54:31

still run?

54:32

Is he?

54:32

Still the QB one.

54:35

I think it's an incomplete right now as

54:38

to who their wide receiver one is. If they

54:40

go out and make a trade for a

54:42

different veteran wide receiver that

54:46

is rumored to be out there or something like that, then

54:48

maybe I feel a little bit different about

54:51

it. But I kind

54:53

of spoke about this on the cheat sheet last

54:55

week, like I've had Josh

54:57

Allen as QB one fantasy for years now,

55:00

but under Joe Brady,

55:02

the passing numbers went down and it was like

55:05

less than two hundred and forty passing yards per game,

55:08

less than two passing touchdowns per game. He was

55:10

heavily relyant on the running and

55:12

the rushing touchdowns, and you're not going to get fifteen

55:14

rushing touchdowns out of your quarterback

55:16

all the time. So I

55:19

do think this opens up the window. Like for me,

55:22

before this move, I was very much show

55:24

Allen has won, even though I think there's a conversation

55:27

now if you

55:29

want to put Hurtz or Lamar

55:31

or Mahomes, I might argue

55:33

it, but I understand the logic

55:35

and to me, though, those are the big four quarterbacks,

55:38

and I know I say stuff like this a

55:40

lot. You could jumble him up in any sort of

55:42

order, and it probably feels

55:44

like he'll still make a right decision.

55:46

I mean, for me, at this moment, Jalen

55:48

Hurts is probably my QB one with

55:51

the passing weapons he has, with his ability to run

55:53

the football. We'll see if he still has the

55:55

touchdown upside, if they're still

55:57

using the brotherly shove at

55:59

the goal line. They add Sakwan

56:01

Barkley, which is another weapon out

56:03

of the backfield who can run and catch the football.

56:06

On paper, this is a loaded, loaded offense.

56:09

So right now, he's my

56:11

QB one. I do reserve the right to

56:13

change my mind based on what happens with Buffalo

56:15

over the next couple of months, But

56:17

I don't know that I can put Josh Allen

56:20

up there. I still think I'm with you, he's one of

56:22

the top four. I would probably

56:24

my gut feeling is to have him at three, to

56:26

go with Jalen Hurts, then Lamar, then

56:28

Josh Allen, and

56:31

it's a close three of me because Mahomes is definitely there too

56:33

now that they've added Hollywood Brown, so

56:35

there's a lot there on the

56:38

other side. I guess let's stay with Buffalo here.

56:40

First pass catching. I

56:42

mean, I've seen a lot of people already putting Dalton

56:44

Kincaid as a top five tight

56:46

end. Does that

56:48

sit okay with you? I

56:52

think it's it's.

56:53

Okay with me, But that is top

56:56

five, Like tight end five would be

56:59

the absolutely highest I'd

57:01

be willing to put him because I

57:03

mean, I'm not willing to put him over Sam

57:05

Laporta, Travis Kelce, Mark Andrews,

57:08

and I think Trey McBride still comfortably sits

57:10

ahead of him. But after that, I mean

57:12

it's like it's it's Kinkaid,

57:14

Pitt's Kittle, Like that is the second

57:16

tier of tight ends. So yeah, right

57:19

now, out of all of those secondary options,

57:21

volume is in king.

57:22

Kaid's favor, I would say, I mean, I think

57:24

so, right. I mean, they don't have any wide receivers

57:26

that are gonna threaten him. Sure,

57:28

James Cook will get targets, but not enough to really

57:31

make a big, big impact, you

57:33

know. I mean, I'm sort of looking. I mean, we don't

57:35

have a healthy TJ. Hawkinson to start the year.

57:37

George Kittle, his overall numbers look

57:39

fine, but the week to week is gonna be up and down with

57:41

so many things going On in San Francisco.

57:45

Maybe so, I mean, I love

57:47

Dalton Kinkaid coming out of Utah. I know you love

57:49

Dalton kin Kaid when they drafted him. He's

57:51

sort of had Dalton Schultz or not Dalton

57:53

Schultze, Dawson Knox kind of in

57:55

his way a little bit seems

57:58

like they've cleared the deck. So maybe just volume

58:00

alone sort of gets him in that situation.

58:04

On the Houston side, is

58:06

c J. Stroud at top five fantasy quarterback now?

58:10

So to me still I don't think he goes

58:12

in that tier one, which we just said was

58:14

those other four, Alan Hurtz, Jackson

58:16

Mahomes, whatever order you want to put him in. To

58:19

me, c J. Stroud comes in

58:21

as QB five, but I

58:23

put him in the same tier. It's a

58:25

short tier for me as of right now. Of

58:27

this second quarterback one, it's Stroud,

58:30

Joe Burrow, Anthony Richardson. I

58:32

think you could mix those guys up. Maybe

58:34

you can make a case for like a dak or Kyler

58:37

or Jordan Love to join them. But to

58:39

me, those are the three that, while they're not

58:42

quite as proven or

58:44

as high of a ceiling, I would say as

58:46

those the top four because of what those four give

58:49

you with their legs. Anthony

58:51

Richardson could give you a ton with their legs. Joe Burrow

58:53

and c. J. Stroud have the capability of just

58:55

going off as passers and giving

58:57

you forty five hundred passing

59:00

yards and thirty five passing touchdowns.

59:02

So and with Stroud,

59:05

the reason I would put him over Burrow is

59:07

because there's less injury concern. Like love

59:10

Joe Burrow when he's out there on the field, but having

59:13

him be on the field has been an issues in

59:15

two of the last three seasons or two

59:17

of the last four seasons. So because

59:19

of that and the youth on c. J. Stroud's

59:22

side, I'm going to go with him. But who

59:25

good luck figuring out that Texans wide receiver

59:28

room.

59:28

That's the next thing, right because now they've

59:30

got Nico Collins, They're gonna have sank Dell

59:32

healthy at some point. They've got Stefan Diggs,

59:35

they've got Dalton Schultz at the

59:37

tight end spot. They added Joe Mixon,

59:40

who, you know, maybe not a huge pass catcher, nobody's

59:42

gonna confuse him with, you know, Christian McCaffrey,

59:44

but can offer something

59:46

out of the backfield. I'm

59:49

it's gonna be It's gonna be one of those things

59:51

we're on a week to week basis. We

59:53

thought it was frustrating last year trying to figure out

59:56

Collins in Dell, It's going to be even more frustrating

59:58

now than you have a third guy in

1:00:01

the mix. Yes, even with a you know, if

1:00:03

you believe that Stefan Diggs is diminished,

1:00:05

which is a fair criticism, right, even

1:00:07

if you believe that, it's

1:00:10

still gonna be really really hard to

1:00:12

figure out the other thing for

1:00:14

me, and this applies to both the pass catchers

1:00:16

and to Stroud himself. How much more

1:00:18

passing volume can this offense have? Because

1:00:22

Stroud through the ball almost five hundred times last

1:00:24

year, right, that was

1:00:27

you know, top fifteen in terms of pass attempts.

1:00:29

Sure, maybe that number goes up a little

1:00:31

bit, but now you potentially have a more consistent

1:00:34

running game with Joe Mixon there. How much

1:00:36

more passing volume does he have? Can

1:00:38

he spread the ball around to I

1:00:41

won't say support well, I mean can he support four

1:00:43

pass catchers? Right? Can he support the three wide receivers

1:00:46

and a tight end? That part, to me gets

1:00:48

a little bit dicey. Can he support all those

1:00:50

guys on a regular basis, And even

1:00:52

as good as his rookie season was, I'm

1:00:55

just not sure if there's enough volume right

1:00:57

now.

1:00:58

Yeah.

1:00:58

And the thing is Steph did four years

1:01:00

in a row, has been one hundred catch receiver, one

1:01:03

hundred and fifty plus targets, and he's

1:01:05

very vocal. He's not gonna go

1:01:07

somewhere and suddenly become the third option

1:01:09

in the passing games. So I

1:01:12

think that all three will

1:01:14

be heavily involved. I

1:01:17

am excited to dive

1:01:20

a little bit deeper once we finish this up

1:01:22

and see the usage and everything for all

1:01:24

three. But you look at at

1:01:27

like Tank Dell for example, he had

1:01:29

two games last year with more than six catches.

1:01:32

Like Nicocollins was

1:01:34

a big play merchant as well. And that's what makes

1:01:37

this offense so much fun is they

1:01:39

didn't need a ton of volume

1:01:41

because CJ. Stroud arguably was the

1:01:43

best deep ball passer last year.

1:01:45

That it was.

1:01:47

You weren't banking on Dell

1:01:50

or Nico Collins to get you six,

1:01:52

seven, eight catches every week and that's how you get

1:01:54

your points. You were like, give me these fifty

1:01:57

yard touchdowns. That's what I want, and

1:01:59

I don't think that's Dig's strong point. It

1:02:02

was a big issue actually down the stretch him

1:02:04

and Allen couldn't get on the same page, somewhere on Allen,

1:02:06

somewhere on Digs when it came to the

1:02:09

not being able to connect on the deep ball. But I

1:02:12

think Diggs now suits in as your possession

1:02:14

guy. He's going to be your chain mover. He's

1:02:17

probably gonna lead you in targets most weeks,

1:02:19

whereas those other guys are going to be the big play

1:02:21

ones. I keep thinking about

1:02:23

it, and the more I think

1:02:26

about it, the more I'm like, they're all probably will

1:02:28

settle somewhere in like a wide receiver

1:02:30

two range, maybe like fifteen to twenty

1:02:32

four and maybe a little bit spread

1:02:35

that out a little bit more. But week to week

1:02:38

is going to be if everyone

1:02:40

stays healthy, it's probably going to

1:02:42

be frustrating.

1:02:43

It's gonna be really, really frustrating, but

1:02:45

it's gonna be fun to watch. And I know

1:02:48

we've said this before, I will say it again. Jacksonville's

1:02:51

perceived rain atop the AFC South looks

1:02:53

like it's going to be way shorter than any

1:02:55

of us had ever anticipated. Because the

1:02:57

Texans are loaded,

1:03:00

actually on the offensive side. I said it

1:03:02

today.

1:03:02

You can tell me from crazy. I think

1:03:04

right now the Texans should have

1:03:06

higher Super Bowl adds than the Bills.

1:03:10

I don't think that's crazy, not at this moment.

1:03:12

Again, you know, we'll see what happens by the

1:03:14

time draft season is over and we get to the start of the year.

1:03:16

But for right now, I don't think that's crazy at all.

1:03:19

Problem for all those teams. The AFC

1:03:21

is loaded, and the two time defending champs

1:03:24

are on that side of the Ledgers, So we

1:03:26

will see what happens in

1:03:28

meantime. Good spot for us

1:03:30

to take a break for the week.

1:03:32

For the day, We're back with you, of course on Thursday

1:03:35

for the Cheat Sheep. Be sure to check that out, and

1:03:37

again thanks to Emory Hunt, be sure to go check out

1:03:39

his draft guide at Football gameplan

1:03:42

dot com. In meantime, now

1:03:44

I'll do it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy

1:03:47

Football Podcast. Stay happy, safe and

1:03:49

healthy, do good and live well. Enjoy

1:03:51

the week. Good luck with your at wide receiver

1:03:53

rankings everybody, and we will talk to you again real

1:03:56

soon.

1:03:57

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1:04:10

don't

1:04:16

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