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to Good Morning Football. We have 32 new
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players, 255 more to go. We
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are waiting to hear their names called as we've
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got. Two more days to go.
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I am here. We've got Peter Schrager
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and Kyle Brandt there in Detroit. We've
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got Jason McCordie joining us from his
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home. But let's start with you guys.
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It was a late night for all
2:11
of us. What are you fueled by
2:14
this morning? Coffee, energy, drink, electrolytes. We're
2:16
still right here at the draft stage as we
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look at you, Jane and Jason. Really fired up.
2:20
I got to salute Detroit 275,000 people
2:23
last night. And I want you guys both to
2:25
hear, yesterday on the show, we had a little
2:28
debate. Who is a bitter, bigger Detroit icon? Was
2:30
it Eminem or Barry Sanders? I was right there
2:32
last night. I was right in the front row
2:34
when all of the luminaries came out. It was
2:36
Calvin Johnson and everybody. It was Jared Goff, Aiden
2:38
Hutchinson. I have to tell you, I was the
2:41
only person who said that Barry Sanders is a
2:43
bigger icon than Eminem. You all said Eminem. There
2:45
was a noticeably louder cheer here in
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the draft theater for
2:49
Eminem. It was louder than it
2:51
was there. It's like seeing a Sasquatch. You
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don't see him out in the wild ever.
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I know. Barry's on the network. Barry just
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showed up on anathon. We see Barry alive.
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Yeah. Barry's on the insiders today. It's down
3:01
as one of them. Damn
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Daniel last night. Jerry's hosting path to the draft.
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We love it. So guys, it was Eminem. It
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was incredible. We're all here. We're going to recap
3:10
all the picks. There were some weird ones, Peter.
3:12
Lucky. I also want to shout out your sweatshirt
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here. This isn't the current day version of
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the visit. You're shouting out bad boys. John,
3:19
Sally, James Edwards, Isaiah, Thomas, Joe, do more.
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I hate you with passion, but I still
3:23
respect that you accomplished. Let me respect it.
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Let's do some draft talk, guys. I love
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that. Shout out Joe Dumar in the whole
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crew, Robin and all of those guys. The
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draft was unbelievable. Watch it from my home.
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Shout out to all the girlfriends and significant
3:35
others trying to get in there on the
3:37
shot and celebrate with these new players. It
3:39
was fantastic. Let's get to it. Let's break
3:41
it down. Jane, let's do our thing.
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It's always fun. Watching
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this stuff on social media is the best.
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Let's get right into it. We've got a
3:50
lot of stuff to talk about this morning.
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Time for the lead block. All
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right, guys. And
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Then giraffe got so nuts at Dick. Amy
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Atlanta Falcons doing with the lab.
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Be out of Washington A Quarterbacks
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Michael clinic sooner now he did
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not and send a giraffe when
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he didn't You're at the media
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and like Obama. Little bit surprised.
4:14
Zimmerman was brutally murdered. His remote and
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properties you know them to be able
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to be in is this email be
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the center for example there. You. Know
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Myanmar? Do you know barometer and everything
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we're reading on? Keepers better to be
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able to be aborted of the organization
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Are working week. it'll make it a
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black. Sunglasses.
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And sign an impact shooting at this
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rabbit number a meter when you make
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of it. Yeah. Like this is
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a ticket at night if you're if you're
4:42
just waking up this morning Panic? Nobody had
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the Top Ten only mock drafts metics nobody
4:47
had tied to Atlanta than yesterday. Late afternoon
4:49
you started hearing some whispers of other teams
4:51
wondering is there a surprise team in the
4:54
top ten? Zero Chino Trudeau for the top
4:56
ten for one of the quarterbacks as each
4:58
one of these teams are figuring out who
5:00
is going to be there match. So the
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Atlanta Falcons the same off season. They give
5:05
Kirk Cousins over one hundred million dollars and
5:07
us drafting a quarterback in a quarterback. Was
5:09
not a project quarterback. This wasn't like
5:12
them. Taken some wild card quarterback who
5:14
they're like he needs three years. Michael
5:16
Phoenixes playing college football for about a
5:18
decade. He forty four years old speed
5:20
all of the best quarterbacks of the
5:22
last four seasons of college football. This
5:24
is one of those deals where do
5:26
you try to justify In here is
5:28
the argument that will be made out
5:30
of Atlanta. Make the argument. Your
5:33
nominees You look at Green Bay and the reacted
5:35
when a to Jordan live in a are in
5:37
lot and twenty one years old and yes our.
5:39
Aaron Rodgers there is no threat of him at all
5:41
And end of course our amount of a thirty to
5:44
three these guys are they don't have. It's very bad.
5:47
They drafted their guy Jordan Love and there
5:49
was eventually a transition to be made. In
5:51
this case is your Atlanta. You make this
5:53
move for Cousins. You think you're going on
5:55
the play offs you think it would in
5:57
the Nfc South using yourself to be in
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the fact. The first round. For the next
6:01
several years, you won't get an opportunity to
6:03
draft a quarterback. You won't be able to
6:06
draft a guy like Michael Fedex. And as
6:08
you saw the last few years when they're
6:10
bouncing around and media a mediocrity and season
6:12
after season of Eight Ninety Seven and getting
6:15
reader and hide a key and just very
6:17
little star bootie quarterbacks enough to pay hundred
6:19
million dollars on this is their insurance policy.
6:21
They get a guy that they think is
6:24
a number one quarterback, but he is now
6:26
going to be their number two cousins. Not
6:28
being told. oh going to happen. I
6:30
don't know if you're being paid a hundred million
6:32
dollars necessarily, if I'm gonna cry for you the
6:34
next morning that as a little competition in the
6:37
quarterback rooms. They'll. Have conversations with everybody. I wouldn't
6:39
have said this is going to happen. I certainly
6:41
am not want to be like it was a
6:43
great pic. I hear you at home. That's a
6:45
justification. They now have their success and plan in
6:47
place. Kirk Cousins as thirty six years old coming
6:49
off an achilles injury god forbid he goes down.
6:52
we saw the guy and we silver team doctor
6:54
when it's very well stated peter member I need
6:56
a retort with the other side of things as
6:58
a lot of answer last night and stories cried
7:00
for their Kirk Cousins but I'm looking for answers
7:02
for shopping center weaken up this morning with the
7:04
same and question that spends all across the world
7:06
have like what. Are we doing like? That's
7:09
a simple question. so naturally you got
7:11
to the Falcons braintrust you dismiss in
7:13
any go right to it. We're doing
7:15
the Jordan Low formula. There's a few
7:17
slight really key differences between the Atlanta
7:19
Falcons in the Green Bay Packers the
7:21
Jordan Love formula which work for the
7:23
Packers the year prior to draft in
7:25
Jordan. Love. They were thirteen when team
7:27
beer after draft ensure love there are
7:29
when teams. This was already a juggernaut
7:31
that was an appliance, winning playoff games
7:33
every single year. The Atlanta Falcons doing
7:36
the Jordan Valley haven't been to the
7:38
Plows peter and seven years so we
7:40
have no turning T playoff team that
7:42
we're just gonna have the luxury of
7:44
stashed in some quarterback for a few
7:46
years. we need players. We haven't been
7:48
to the playoffs as post twenty to
7:50
three like it's been a long time
7:52
so I think there's other teams are
7:54
gonna do this because the Packers visits
7:56
in work wealth will draft a quarterback
7:58
out. I think the. We should have
8:00
done it last night and they didn't But
8:02
of your values, danger, same does not Aaron
8:05
Rodgers. we're not. The Packers were trying to
8:07
win in his and his room against the
8:09
Jaguars. I never minded. It seems out of
8:11
there and all these assumptions that morgan a
8:13
beach in the plaza because we have Kirk
8:15
Cousins and no one in the media loves
8:17
Cricketers more them he studied in a though
8:19
not going to turn the Falcons into some
8:21
sort of I greatest Oh and serve So
8:23
if you're focusing on you like Okay, great.
8:25
I guess we have a long term solution.
8:27
Quarterbacks: What is the Twenty Twenty Board team
8:29
today. That I caught a me and maybe
8:31
Jason I had this to as someone who
8:33
lived in one of those buildings. the ability
8:36
I've gone over on you tube and Asean
8:38
flaws as this is all going down. And
8:40
here's Bill: Check who they pass on his
8:42
Belgium and others. We trust this This this
8:44
orders were going to trust our brain. Trust
8:46
Enrich Mccain and Terry Far no and Arthur
8:48
Blank an hour him Arts and it's not
8:50
like they just went Shock etc. Dallas Turner
8:52
or Terry on Arnold. They take this huge
8:54
swing and if it doesn't work it's almost
8:56
more ammo for the balance it can't be.
8:58
I'm like okay you guys. Know better religion
9:00
as a growing boy and Bill was on
9:03
or know what the he said was having
9:05
to good quarterback can never be a bad
9:07
day. but as I look at this com
9:09
right would you because you scenario say hi
9:11
we're bringing a microphone is your often are
9:13
copying the green based off and southerner to
9:15
do so. Strange with the next three years
9:18
older than Jordan Love was when he god's
9:20
wrath so by time he gets on the
9:22
field as a totally different situation I'm looking
9:24
that isn't as much as Atlanta. Love Kirk
9:26
Cousins. her cousins come in and it doesn't
9:28
guarantee that we're now winning a super bowl
9:31
so now you start to wonder you draft
9:33
michael finished eighth overall i will point out
9:35
he played as he place after year one
9:37
is he inserted if something goes wrong to
9:39
they feel confident to be able to put
9:41
him in the gave before we may be
9:43
anticipated on a flips off of her cousin
9:45
has camp hearing about it when they get
9:47
on the clock is crazy innocent the know
9:49
he said this is a business you gotta
9:51
deal with it you can be frustrating and
9:53
one hundred million all little different things feelings
9:55
are feeling you gotta go out there before
9:57
was i going to say it's on you
10:00
are out in Detroit, you go out, you're at
10:02
the bar, next thing you know, you call your
10:04
wife back home, and you're like, hey, I met
10:06
a young lady, I want to move in with
10:08
us and be my second girlfriend or something like
10:10
that. That's what Kirk Cousins was dealing with last
10:12
night, and you got to pick this stuff up,
10:14
go out there and perform. But for a Falcons
10:16
team that looked like, all right, we got Kirk
10:18
Cousins, we felt like we were a quarterback away,
10:20
and now we got to build our team around
10:22
him to go get Michael Penix this high, this
10:24
early, and worry about the future, you can question
10:26
what they're doing right now. But I look at
10:28
this from a long-term standpoint, the Falcons are saying,
10:30
hey, as much as we like Kirk Cousins as
10:32
a veteran on our team and our organization, and
10:34
what he's going to be able to do for
10:36
our team over the next year to maybe two,
10:39
we feel like Michael Penix is the guy that
10:41
can take us over the top. Kirk Cousins throughout
10:43
his career has been really good, but hasn't been
10:45
able to get to that promised land of getting
10:47
to a Super Bowl. They may feel that way
10:49
about Michael Penix. Jane, you were talking about Kirk
10:51
Cousins and his reaction to his camp. What would
10:53
you make of it? Well, when
10:55
I reached out to his camp, as I reported
10:57
last night, they were given no indication of this.
11:00
I know some people said they picked up the
11:02
phone right as they were calling, but it doesn't
11:04
seem like a lot of a heads up. And
11:06
I think there is some frustration here. Yes, I
11:08
think it's hard for a lot of fans to
11:10
go, well, why should we cry over a guy
11:12
that's getting, you know, 90 million guaranteed the first
11:14
two years, 10 million guaranteed the third year? But
11:17
as was explained to me, we have a no-trade
11:19
clause, not a must-trade clause at this point. So
11:21
I do think that they're going to have to
11:23
smooth things over a little bit. There was an
11:25
understanding that if they were going to get
11:27
a quarterback, that they would reach out and
11:29
give him a heads up. That didn't happen.
11:31
So before we go after the
11:33
Falcons, before we go after Terry Fotno, why don't
11:35
we at least hear what he had to say
11:38
in terms of explaining himself for the pick? If
11:40
you believe in a quarterback, you have to
11:43
take him. And if he sits for four
11:45
or five years, that's a great problem to
11:47
have because we're doing so well at that
11:49
position. So it's just, as simple
11:51
as if you see a
11:53
guy that you believe in at that position, you have to
11:55
take him. I think the hard
11:57
part I'm having with this, Peter, is when did you fall
12:00
in love with Michael Penix. I mean, we
12:02
all know that they went to Seattle, they
12:04
brought their contingency up there, they had the
12:06
workout. But when he's sitting there saying, you're
12:08
okay with them sitting four to five years,
12:10
are they trying to convince themselves that when
12:13
the market becomes over bloated in a couple
12:15
of years for quarterbacks, APYs, and guarantees, they
12:17
can say, well, your number doesn't match that
12:19
because you haven't played a lot. And maybe
12:21
they're saying that they're gonna get a bargain
12:23
in the future. I'm just confused. Maybe
12:25
you can help me make sense of it, Peter. That's
12:28
the economics of the NFL. If you were
12:30
to ask a Yale graduate in analytics, they
12:32
would tell you draft a quarterback every year
12:34
because you never wanna hit these points where
12:36
you're paying two a tongue of Vialoa, $55
12:38
million, or Derek Carr, $50
12:40
million. You just keep having a
12:42
different stash of young guys so that when you're
12:44
done with cousins, you've got someone else at a
12:46
relatively normal price and an affordable price and you
12:48
could build around them. Truth of the matter is
12:50
this, the quarterback is valued differently than every other
12:52
position in the league. If you love a quarterback,
12:55
you can justify in your head, we're taking them
12:57
whether we have one or not. Like you
12:59
said, they obviously aren't a quarterback away from
13:01
winning a Super Bowl, but also in the
13:03
same breath, are they a Dallas Turner or
13:05
a Lot Two away from winning the Super
13:07
Bowl? In this case, they value the quarterback
13:09
position. They have been through hell since Matt
13:11
Ryan has been gone. I think we're talking
13:13
about terrible quarterback play and a rotating door.
13:15
That's real, that leaves scars. And now you
13:18
can't platoon them. And that's the other thing. When they
13:20
had Flacco in Baltimore and they drafted Lamar, the argument
13:22
was, well, you'll get Lamar in on some gadget plays,
13:24
you'll figure it out, you'll get them involved. Penix? This
13:27
is not bad. He's in
13:29
that quarterback. Now you could use him in the run game, but
13:31
he's more of a pocket quarterback also. I
13:33
see that some Falcons fans this morning are saying, well,
13:36
if we like Penix that much, why don't we just draft Penix
13:38
and not my cousin? Let's
13:40
just go with him. They must absolutely be head
13:42
over heels for Penix. So bring him
13:45
in and start him, like all the other rookies are
13:47
gonna start. Why not? But it's not the case. I
13:49
have to hear, when I hear them say, sit
13:52
for four or five years. So
13:55
when Michael Penix's first start's gonna be against an
13:57
arch man. And he's gonna be 30. Yeah. It's
14:00
been five years? That's
14:03
nuts, and I know it's the new normal now,
14:05
but do respect like you're the Falcons Like you
14:07
need to get off the off your butt You
14:09
need some weapons you need some people and he's
14:11
gonna be sitting there Peter until 2029 It'll
14:15
be the next eclipse and he already has the glasses It's
14:18
a very strange pick. I'm confused. The Bellacheck
14:20
army is out I'll tell you that when
14:22
you're a brain trust and you make such
14:24
an outside the box pick Yeah, and there's
14:26
an article last week that comes out and
14:28
says Bellacheck wasn't in your top three of
14:30
coaching decisions And this is going
14:32
against convention This is saying we're really going against
14:34
convention and just the typical chalk is what it
14:36
is. There are some happy teams this morning We're
14:38
gonna talk about them, right? We're not just talking
14:40
about Daniel
14:43
Jones is happy this morning, right? Let's go Daniel. All
14:45
right, take us out. We'll be back Okay,
14:47
and real quick before we go guys We've
14:49
got to ask Peter if he's got a
14:51
DeLorean because you've been hitting some of your
14:53
mock drafts here in recent years This one
14:55
is pretty good Last night Kyle
14:58
what you think about your boy and how he did
15:00
on this one First of all, I tried to get
15:02
us the commercial before we get Peter's I'm sorry Can
15:06
we show can we show the post that
15:08
was done here? Guys,
15:10
thank you. Good morning football Twitter. I appreciate
15:12
you guys giving me the love 13
15:16
correct player and team is the best I've ever done 29
15:19
of 32 for look at that last column there
15:21
Graham Barton had right Tyler Guyton had right Darius
15:23
Robinson had right and then my last one I
15:25
didn't get the team right but I had a
15:28
team trade him back up into the first round
15:30
for Xavier Look at that is exactly what the
15:32
Panthers did. Yeah, I'm gonna take my victory lap
15:34
Kyle Thank you though for the legit one the
15:36
most satisfying. What was the one that the dog
15:38
hates that I'll tell you what? Tell you what
15:40
number 12 was satisfying because I got a lot
15:42
of hate on that. They would never just take
15:44
bone nicks at 12 They'll trade back. They'll move
15:46
up. They'll do something And I
15:49
just got good intelligence Do they wanted bone
15:51
X and why get cute? take bone X
15:53
at 12? I'll be there. And they did.
15:55
Six quarterbacks go in the top 12 picks.
15:58
I had six the top 13. So
16:00
my mock draft. I'm sure the think everyone's
16:02
making up talking about this morning, but I'm
16:04
I'm sorry. I give the speech every single
16:07
year. Peters mock draft is the one most
16:09
of them are based on. I've watched T.
16:11
Here's what I would do. Here's what I
16:13
would do with Peters going. I'm sources and
16:16
insight. That's not what you think should happen.
16:18
It's what your Syrian will have been. Peter
16:20
nails it. We games credit. Last year I
16:22
got to have thirty two, right? or my
16:25
mock draft. I got one guy Bryce younger,
16:27
the other guy Tyree Wilson. The rest was
16:29
wrong. I target. To retire from the gates
16:31
I will now blade my baby daughter who was
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born a month earlier. I was too busy and
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baby ruff now of fresh on etsy one years
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16:40
mock drafts all the other you miss the Rams
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pick wigwam and get that his belly doing my
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dear miss around I guarantee they will take an
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offensive my are they stay put that the defensive
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player terrible so I just threw her the under
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the bus and blamed his daughter for to out
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of burdensome. Don't have any reservations are. Shorter
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Texas? My? I get that. nothing less
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from sure either. Congratulations. Awesome Alcindor to
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go through less. While that was correct, that was
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turrets if we're not allowed to. but I should
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have started bet and in and make some money
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happens to the edge rusher. I thought that's where
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8th pick in the 2024 NFL Draft the
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Atlanta Falcons select Michael
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Wow Jr. Well there it is
20:47
Why? That is the
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first surprise. Hey now the NFL Draft
20:51
to say the least That
20:55
was the pick of the night we started the
20:57
show with it and I've got Tom Pella Sarah here
20:59
I want to unpack this with you a little bit
21:01
the Pennick's selection by Atlanta a lot of head scratch
21:03
and empty your notebook What's your take on it? So
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every year the draft goes late this shows on early
21:08
I'm always on with you And so the last thing
21:10
I do before I go to bed is I'll text
21:12
Scouts executives with every team just say hey It's
21:14
most surprising pick of the night what jumped out
21:17
and in the past you've had Alex leather wood
21:20
Damon our net Logan Hall whole
21:22
straight This year I
21:24
woke up this morning and every text
21:26
was Pennick's Pennick's by far Pennick's blew
21:28
everyone's mind Pennick's Pennick's Pennick's Pennick's This
21:31
was not just the surprise of the night This
21:34
was one of the most shocking ticks
21:36
in an NFL Draft in the
21:38
past five years I'm not coming here to
21:40
tell you whether or not this was the right
21:42
move Oh, they pay off down in four or
21:44
five years like they were talking about last night
21:47
if your cousin's there is there for that long
21:50
But I've seen the comparisons to Green
21:52
Bay and taking Jordan love
21:54
and You got to sit
21:56
for several years then takes over for
21:59
Aaron Rodgers by the time When the
22:01
Packers were taking Aaron Rodgers, this was
22:03
a relationship that we already knew was
22:05
probably not going to end well. Aaron Rodgers
22:08
wasn't coming in for the offseason at that
22:10
point. There were signs that maybe at some
22:12
point he'd want to move on. The Packers
22:14
have always done this for years. Draft the
22:16
quarterback earlier. With Kirk Cousins,
22:18
I just text his Instagram story. He
22:20
was on stage at their draft party
22:23
last night. Isn't that right? Hiping people
22:25
up. An hour and a half
22:27
later they call him on the clock and
22:29
say, by the way, we're taking a quarterback.
22:31
This isn't a relationship. They got himself, this
22:33
is cheating on your wife, on the son
22:35
of a man. He just got
22:37
there. So Terry Fonten over at he-more. So they're
22:40
talking a lot about, we're never going to be
22:42
in this position again because we're going to win.
22:44
We're never going to be up at the top
22:46
of the draft again. And maybe that's true. What
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they have now taken on for themselves is a
22:51
unique dynamic in their locker room, is a unique
22:53
dynamic for that team. Every time they set foot
22:55
on the field, you got a second time head
22:57
coach in reheat Morris business. First year
22:59
you got a first time play caller in Zach
23:01
Robinson. If you don't come out with gangbusters
23:03
with Drake London and B John Robinson, if
23:06
it's not firing on all cylinders, absent the
23:08
Pentagon pick, people would be like, okay, they're
23:10
going to, it takes some time. We're going
23:13
to get this thing rolling. Kirk's our guy.
23:15
90 million fully guaranteed over two years. Now
23:17
it's going to be panics panics. It's
23:20
a real thing that takes place
23:22
in the NFL. They obviously have a plan.
23:25
Once they couldn't move out of number eight, they
23:27
felt good enough. We need to take Michael Panics
23:29
Terry final said over and over when you identify
23:31
that guy, the franchise quarterback, you've got to take
23:34
that guy. Fundamentally, I agree with that point. You
23:36
usually don't do it a month after giving a
23:38
guy a fully guaranteed contract over the next couple
23:40
of years. And by the way, this would be
23:42
a lot more like if the Vikings had taken
23:44
that guy last year. Kirk, this kept saying it's
23:46
not about the dollars. It's what the dollars represent.
23:49
This was supposed to be representing a commitment to him
23:51
and all of a sudden your successor's already in the
23:53
ring. And think about it from another angle, just the
23:55
Minnesota side of it. Obviously he leaves Minnesota
23:57
because they're offering the guaranteed money in Atlanta. personalities.
24:00
O'Connell knows Zach Robinson very well, who's in
24:02
Atlanta. O'Connell knows Rahim Morris very well, because
24:04
they were in LA together. Wes Phillips is
24:06
in Minnesota. He knows all those guys. And
24:09
it's all jockeying, and Minnesota does get their
24:11
quarterback, but Atlanta moves above them to get
24:13
a different quarterback. And I think Minnesota was
24:15
comfortable with PENIX if it fell that way
24:17
to go to 11 if someone took McCarthy.
24:20
So it's like, it's so intertwined that they
24:22
both get quarterbacks. And I think both fan
24:24
bases are looking at kind of the man
24:26
like the Spider-Man meme. Like, what just went
24:28
down? I was talking with someone with the
24:30
Vikings a couple of weeks ago, you know, just
24:33
through all the quarterbacks. And I brought up Michael
24:35
PENIX. And I was just going through the scouting
24:37
report. I don't watch the tape, but I talk
24:39
to people who don't like him and see, it's
24:41
really, really good. He'll fire it off when it's
24:43
clean. He can pick you apart. But the moment
24:45
that there's any type of pressure, the pocket breaks
24:47
down, you don't know what's going to happen. And
24:49
the person goes, does a lot like Kirk Cutts.
24:51
So you've got a guy in Michael PENIX who
24:53
kind of has that same type of game here.
24:55
He turns 24 next month. He's
24:59
played six years in college. How
25:02
long can you realistically keep him on the bench? Well,
25:04
again, $90 million fully guaranteed over two years for Kirk
25:06
Cutts. There are 10 million that's going
25:08
to fasten in 2026. This is supposed to
25:10
be a multi-year commitment to Kirk Cutts. But
25:13
again, we'll see how this entire thing plays
25:15
out. You brought up the Vikings last night.
25:17
Let's talk McCarthy. So it was fascinating how
25:19
the top of the draft fell because you
25:22
got through the first two picks, which were pretty
25:24
well set. I think the first three and four
25:27
were chock. I would agree.
25:29
I would agree with that three with Drake. But they
25:31
were still taking offers. They still got offers as recently
25:33
as Wednesday. They still, you know, there were teams that
25:35
took a Hail Mary while to the Patriots were on
25:37
the clock. But at this point it was, you're not
25:39
going to get to where it would need to be.
25:41
We're taking Drake mate. The Vikings were one of those
25:43
teams was trying to go up to get Drake made
25:45
with JJ McCarthy. They didn't make the effort to go
25:47
way up. They weren't trying to get into the 20,
25:49
30, 55. And I'd say
25:52
they weren't high on JJ McCarthy. They simply
25:54
were looking at the value aspect of
25:56
it. So they gave a chicken with
25:58
the Giants. It was do
26:00
we think the Giants are actually a take JJ
26:03
McCarthy the answer was no No,
26:05
so he begins to slide down the board at some point
26:08
Pinnock sticker comes off. It's alright. We've gone far
26:10
enough here They still give up a pick to
26:13
be able to move up one spot Who knows
26:15
Denver could have jumped them if they loved McCarthy
26:17
So you move the pickup with the generators or
26:19
the Raiders who do you end up with no
26:22
quarterback real quick? I want to go to to
26:24
NFC West teams who at the end of the
26:26
night kind of made some waves Lot
26:28
of wide receiver talk with I uke and debo
26:31
and there was a bunch of guys still on
26:33
the board Ricky Pearsall is to pick by the
26:35
49ers not everyone had him in their first round
26:37
of the mock trap I did not what's your take
26:40
on that side? I definitely did not either that
26:42
was the secondary answer a few people said Michael
26:44
Pennick's and Ricky Pearsall were the surprises of The
26:46
night here the way that Kyle Shanahan looks at it.
26:48
He always talks about Contact courage and
26:50
when you watch Ricky Pearsall's tape, he's constantly
26:53
putting himself in these positions where he's gonna take
26:55
a hit He's not afraid to go over the
26:57
middle. He's not afraid to make the tough catch
27:00
He will initiate contact when he has to
27:02
hear Kyle Shanahan said last night. We think
27:04
we can play outside He can play
27:06
inside. He can be all over the field
27:08
here Kyle Shanahan knows Quarterbacks and
27:11
he knows wide receivers. He's got another good one
27:13
This comes at a unique time when we've been
27:15
talking about Brandon I uke are they gonna get
27:17
a contract on potentially could he be traded if
27:19
they get the I uke contract on could be
27:21
both Samuel be traded they've said as strongly as
27:24
they are willing to last night. Hey D. Bo's
27:26
big part of the team How you're part of
27:28
the team. Let's see though through the course of
27:30
today What if anything might take place there's
27:32
certainly still a possibility the 49ers are always
27:35
gonna answer the poll There's always possibility things
27:37
to change real quick the Los Angeles
27:39
Rams select Jared verse they stay set at 19
27:42
They really liked verse never did a pro day visit with
27:44
never did a top 30 visit on the Rams don't do
27:46
top 30 visits They were very stealth on this thing Less
27:48
need even when he called Jared first had the wrong number
27:50
they had to get the right number They
27:52
had the wrong number the wrong number is off
27:54
by a digit some low-level personnel guy just got
27:56
fired Your whole job is to check the phone
27:58
number and I'm out again But I would
28:00
say this, there was some calls. They're
28:03
out the trap. Those reports were accurate
28:05
about potentially having a move
28:07
up. And the player that they had their eyes
28:09
on, if he had slipped a little bit, was
28:11
Brock Bowers. So the Rams really fell
28:14
in love with Brock Bowers, the Georgia tight end.
28:16
And as he's plumbing down boards and all the
28:18
quarterbacks are going, there were phone calls made and
28:20
there was some excitement in that LA building that
28:22
they might be able to get Brock Bowers and
28:25
add him to that offense. It turns out they
28:27
go defense. They love Jared verse. They were happy
28:29
with this selection. They don't trade back and they
28:31
don't draft offense. I have to hand in my
28:33
Rams credibility card. I said, I guarantee Shawn McVay's
28:35
first round pick the first time he ever makes
28:37
one. It's not going to be some defensive end.
28:39
The first pick that Shawn McVay ever made as
28:41
a first-round pick was a defensive end. So I
28:43
totally lose all my credibility. And real quick too,
28:45
you mentioned Brock Bowers in there. There were a
28:47
lot of people with the Raiders who really loved
28:50
Michael Penning's and thought he's going to be there
28:52
at 13. He might even be there later if
28:54
we trade back and get him to the 13.
28:56
So very shocked as anybody and disappointed when
28:58
Penning's comes off the board. But there's
29:00
excitement there about getting Brock Bowers
29:02
in another weapon for that offense.
29:06
Trevor Sycamore joining us now from Pro Football
29:08
Focus because it was a wild night. You
29:10
know, I know we didn't get a lot
29:12
of sleep folks, but when you did some
29:14
of the action that we saw in the
29:16
first round, namely this happening, Michael
29:19
Penning's junior getting picked by the Atlanta
29:21
Falcons, which recap, they've already got Kirk
29:23
Cousins. Remember, 100 million guaranteed in those
29:26
first three years. Why, why,
29:28
why? Trevor,
29:30
what were your thoughts when the Falcons
29:32
made this move? It's shocking to you
29:34
as it was for a lot of us covering
29:36
this draft. Extremely shocking.
29:39
And look, first and foremost, I'm so
29:41
happy for Michael Penning's, right? So many
29:43
season-ending injuries. He went from Indiana to
29:45
Washington, climbed his way back up NFL
29:47
draft boards. I'm so happy that this dude
29:49
is a top 10 pick. I think he's an awesome dude and
29:51
I totally understand why I land there. The
29:53
rest of the process, I don't
29:56
really love, right? You give all of that money to
29:58
Kirk Cousins. You give him a ton of security. You
30:00
say he's the man now you bring in
30:02
a quarterback a top 10 quarterback and say
30:04
man Kurt if you falter in any way
30:06
shape or form We got this guy right
30:08
behind you and even if that's not what
30:10
their intention was That's unfortunately what this is
30:12
and the other thing with this whole pick
30:14
is the Falcons were supposed to compete this
30:17
year They're supposed to go take the division this
30:19
year and maybe they will anyways But if
30:21
they don't people are gonna look back on
30:23
this pick and be like this could have
30:25
been a player That was a difference maker
30:27
for us to take control of the NFC
30:29
South So love Michael Pennick's tough
30:31
for me to understand why the Falcons made this movement
30:34
a lot of people are feeling the exact same way
30:36
trigger at the beginning of an hour brought up the
30:39
Bill Belichick thought of People were saying hey, we didn't
30:41
we decided to pass on him and now we're going
30:43
in this direction Pennick's and cousins, but
30:45
that's not the only quarterbacks that were drafted in
30:47
the first round JJ McCarthy ends up in Minnesota.
30:49
They don't have to go all the way up
30:51
in the top five Now they also brought in
30:54
Sam Donald who a lot of people said they
30:56
fell in love with and really think that he
30:58
can be a good quarterback in this league Trevor,
31:00
how do you see it playing out between JJ
31:02
McCarthy and Sam Donald there in Minnesota? I
31:04
love this for so many reasons I feel like
31:06
it's best-case scenario other than maybe just staying at
31:09
11 and getting McCarthy But they only have to
31:11
trade it to 10 to do it So they
31:13
don't have to give up a Kings ransom to
31:15
go to four or five like some of the
31:17
mock draft said instead They get McCarthy at a
31:19
great spot and I think that he's going to
31:21
a great spot I love the idea of him
31:23
of course with Kevin O'Connell with Justin Jefferson with
31:25
an offensive line That's really really getting there as
31:27
one of the better ones in the NFL, but
31:30
it's that opportunity to sit behind Sam Donald I
31:32
don't think they brought Sam Donald in and told
31:34
him like hey, you're the guy We're a hundred
31:36
percent gonna stick with you this year I think they
31:38
did it to say look we're probably gonna draft the
31:40
quarterback We're gonna give you the best opportunity to start
31:42
right away while that guy in groom
31:45
and sit and wait I think it's a
31:47
perfect scenario here in Minnesota with McCarthy go
31:49
into the Vikings Yeah, both those quarterbacks gonna
31:51
have so many weapons to throw the ball
31:54
to Justin Jefferson Jordan As and TJ, Hawkins
31:56
and having weapons for quarterbacks are a huge
31:58
thing and in Jacksonville they brought in another
32:00
weapon and Brian Thomas, what do you think
32:03
he can do for Trevor Lawrence there out
32:05
in Duval County? I did not realize how
32:07
much the Jacksonville Jaguars pushed the football down
32:09
the field last year. On 20 plus
32:12
throws, I looked this up after there, I dropped
32:14
on 20 plus throws, they were top 10 in
32:16
most attempts, they were eight in most attempts. They
32:18
were fifth in total yards. They were first in
32:20
big time throws, and this is just where they're
32:22
going to lean into. And I kind of love
32:24
it. Trevor Lawrence might throw for 5,000 yards next
32:26
year, because you go out and
32:28
you sign a vertical threat like Gabe Davis, and then
32:30
you go and draft a vertical threat like Brian
32:32
Thomas Jr. I did not
32:35
even think about exactly how much they were going
32:37
to put their foot on the gas of this
32:39
pick, but that is exactly what they did here.
32:41
So, I was a little skeptical about it because
32:43
of all the great corners that were still on
32:45
the board when they came on the clock, even
32:47
with that trade back, but to me, this signals
32:50
the offense was not good enough last year, and
32:52
we're not letting Calvin Ridley leave in free agency.
32:55
Give us any excuse for not lighting
32:57
up a scoreboard so it could be
32:59
a huge statistical season for Trevor Lawrence coming
33:01
up here in 2020. Speaking
33:05
of Trevor, I've got another question for you. You
33:07
know, when we look at yesterday's draft,
33:09
so many offensive players, all of those quarterbacks
33:12
really pushed down so many good ones. When
33:14
I was looking at the list, we've got
33:16
quarterback Cooper Dajean, cornerback Kool-Aid McInistery, one of
33:18
my favorite names in the draft, linebacker Ejiren
33:21
Cooper, even Jackson Powers-Johnson, the center, who I
33:23
think a lot of people have questions, why
33:25
maybe he didn't go in the first round.
33:27
Who do you think we see, especially of
33:29
those guys, coming off the board first? Yeah,
33:32
I'm surprised that Cooper Dajean's still here. I really
33:34
am, and an extremely good playmaker, but, you know,
33:36
you talk about Jackson Powers-Johnson as well. I'll throw
33:38
Johnny Newton from Illinois, too. I can't believe he's
33:40
sitting here at the top of the second round.
33:43
Maybe there's a little bit of injury concern with
33:45
both him and Jackson Powers-Johnson, but that's what makes
33:47
it so intriguing, of where these guys are going
33:49
to go, because their first-round talent, to my opinion,
33:51
maybe just some injury history, some things that are
33:53
coming along with medical. It's going into the league,
33:56
pushing them down a little bit. So somebody's getting
33:58
a steal, talent-wise. Can't wait to see. No doubt
34:00
about it. I got so much more fun to come. Trevor,
34:02
I appreciate you coming up, waking up early, getting up with us.
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37:26
that these Arizona Cardinals fans are getting
37:28
into their building as Kyler Murray's new
37:30
number one. Tell us about Marvin
37:32
Harrison Jr. Yeah, well, first off, it was a
37:35
great night and, you know,
37:37
it's a celebration. It's a celebration for
37:39
everybody that was involved, you know, his
37:41
family and everybody back home and all
37:43
the folks, you know, here in the
37:45
program, the coaches, the staff, support everybody.
37:47
It's been celebrating last night, but most
37:49
importantly, it was a celebration for
37:51
Marvin and all the hard work that he's
37:53
put in to have an opportunity like this
37:55
and to come in for three years, have
37:57
the production that he's had is
37:59
tremendous. But I think the thing that you
38:01
just wouldn't recognize is hard work, it's discipline, the
38:04
skill set, and what he's done. And so
38:06
the Cardinals did an unbelievable job in this
38:08
process of evaluating that, had a great workout,
38:10
asked a lot of hard questions. But they're
38:12
gonna get a franchise player here at Marvin
38:14
Harrison. No doubt, Coach, you mentioned the
38:17
hard work and the skill set. We all watched
38:19
Marvin Harrison's senior for years. And he said recently
38:21
that when he would have six catches in a
38:23
game, on that Monday he's going to Peyton and
38:25
say, I need the ball, I need the ball.
38:27
He said about his own son that he doesn't
38:30
have that in him. He doesn't demand the ball.
38:32
He doesn't have that part of his game. What's
38:34
your response to that? Well, he demands the ball
38:36
when he's open every play. I can tell you
38:38
that right now. So I just
38:41
think when you watch Marvin and the way he
38:43
runs routes, and the way he plays the
38:46
ball, his game really translates
38:48
well to the NFL. He has a unique size,
38:50
but also his hips are cut low to the
38:52
ground. So his change of direction is tremendous, but
38:54
his football IQ is amazing. So he understands how
38:57
to run routes. He knows how to get open.
38:59
He understands how he fits into the structure of
39:01
his own and man. And so because of that,
39:03
I think Tyler Murray is going to like to
39:05
throw the ball. He definitely will.
39:08
One thing I heard Daniel Jeremiah say last
39:10
night was he has a powerful body with
39:12
point guard athleticism. I'm happy that I'm no
39:14
longer playing and I don't have to be
39:16
tasked with the job of trying to guard
39:18
somebody like that. But Coach, you spent a
39:20
long time out of high state and you
39:22
got a chance to compete against JJ McCarthy
39:24
in college. And you've seen the success that
39:26
he's been able to have on the field.
39:28
A lot of naysayers about what he brings,
39:30
what he can do, what he can do
39:32
as production, what have you seen going up
39:34
against this guy year in and year out
39:36
and the intangibles that he brings to the table for
39:38
the Minnesota Vikings? Yeah, it's interesting to
39:41
see when you have so many quarterbacks taken in
39:43
the first round and how many of their
39:45
games actually translate well to the NFL because
39:47
I think that is real. The
39:49
game of the NFL game is different than college.
39:52
However, there's also a lot to be said for
39:54
guys who just find a way to win and
39:56
work through adversity. Almost all the guys who have
39:58
success in the NFL work through adversity. over
40:00
time, you know, they fail, they grow, they learn,
40:02
and they stick with it. And,
40:04
you know, he certainly has done that. And I think,
40:06
you know, to me, it's also about the fit. And
40:08
when you step into a system, you know, are the
40:11
pieces around them, what goes on those first couple of
40:13
years? Can they protect them with it with a run
40:15
game and make sure they have some guys around them
40:17
that can help them? I think when you look at
40:19
CJ Straddle last year and kind of coming into the
40:21
draft and a lot of people were a lot of
40:23
naysayers about him and you saw what he did only
40:25
in his first year, but I thought he walked, he
40:27
walked into a great situation. I thought to me, go
40:29
rise, did a great job with them and bringing him
40:31
along. And so now you have an opportunity to have
40:33
a superstar. So there's a lot that goes with it,
40:36
but certainly a big part of it is being
40:38
a winner and being somebody who can work through
40:40
adversity. Coach, we just talked about one
40:42
of his guys, but a Harbaugh, he's finally out
40:44
of the big 10. I imagine a little bit
40:47
of a sigh of relief. I'm kidding. But I
40:49
am curious, what is your relationship with Harbaugh? And
40:52
what did you see that he did for, you
40:54
know, the college to see him go back to
40:56
the NFL? When you come to
40:58
Ohio State, first off, you know, the rivalry is
41:00
something that's front and center every year. And, you
41:02
know, it's something that, you know, when you come
41:04
to Ohio State, the number one thing that we
41:06
do, we talk about our recruiting all the time,
41:08
it's about, you know, winning the rivalry. And so
41:10
that that's just a part of what you do
41:12
on a daily basis. And so because of that,
41:14
we work on that every single day. And so
41:16
that's again, our focus this year. And so, you
41:18
know, as you know how much of a rivalry
41:21
that is and everything that comes with it. So,
41:23
you know, year in and year out, we just,
41:25
you know, we look ahead to see, you know, what the challenge
41:27
is. And we look forward to that game.
41:29
I'm looking at the names and faces
41:31
behind you, coach. And I am seeing
41:34
NFL legend after NFL legend. And I've
41:36
seen that logo. I think the stat
41:38
was given by Adam Schefter yesterday that
41:41
a offensive player of the year
41:43
or defensive player of the year from the
41:45
rookie class out of Ohio State every year.
41:47
So I think 2016 you'll have one. This
41:49
has just become an absolute
41:51
machine and locomotive as far as NFL
41:53
talent comes. And yet I look at
41:55
the stuff with college football. You guys
41:57
have one of the top recruiting class.
42:00
is coming in. Talk about the Ohio State Buckeyes
42:02
team that we could see in 2024. Yeah,
42:05
well, I think the first thing is when you
42:07
come to Ohio State, there's a certain level of
42:09
expectation. And you have to understand that
42:11
when you come to Ohio State, you got to enjoy
42:14
the bright lights. You got to produce. You got to
42:16
win every game. You have to think big when
42:18
you're here and all these guys and the
42:20
guys who have been before do that. I think
42:22
we've also seen some guys leave in three years.
42:24
And so, you know, some of those really talented
42:26
players, we were young. Well, this year
42:28
we got a bunch of these guys coming back. And
42:31
it says a lot about our guys, says a lot
42:33
about our culture to get these guys to come back,
42:35
added a few other pieces in recruiting and through the
42:37
portal. And so we have a chance to have a
42:39
really a veteran team this season. So it's exciting. We
42:41
had a great spring. We're looking forward to next
42:43
year. Can't wait to see it real quick.
42:45
Before we wrap, you had Marvin Harrison on day
42:47
one. I know there's a bunch of guys still
42:49
that are going to be drafted. Can you give
42:51
us one player to watch for for night two?
42:54
Yeah. Well, so my call, certainly
42:56
is somebody that I think can, can really disrupt the
42:58
game. You know, he did it here when you saw
43:01
Iowa state, he's really twitched up. My guess is probably
43:03
one of the more athletic defensive alignment in the draft.
43:05
Kate Stover is going to play a long time in
43:07
the NFL. You know, I mentioned this about Terry McCluren.
43:09
It's just a matter of what team or what club
43:12
puts value on, on where he is and where he
43:14
gets drafted. But Kate Stover is going to play a
43:16
long time in the NFL. And then Tommy Eichenberg, you
43:18
know, is another guy to me, you know, should be,
43:20
should be somebody that, you know, is, his name comes
43:23
up, you know, tonight. And then we got
43:25
a bunch of other guys we had in the weekend as well.
43:27
Coach, we so appreciate you making the time. It's early
43:29
in the morning. I know how happy you are for
43:31
Marvin Harrison Jr. Thank you for joining. Good morning football
43:34
and go get them this year. All right.
43:36
Thanks. Go Bucks. Focus
43:38
on coach because I'm going to take Elliott and
43:40
the Bose says and crit Carter. Oh God,
43:43
it's so good. What do we got coming up? Jim,
43:45
it's a rattler talk. We set up some quarterbacks on
43:47
the board and I think Tom Pelissero is going to
43:50
discuss them. And I also think Jim Nagy, the
43:52
executive director of the senior bowl is going to join
43:54
us and give us a little talk about some of
43:56
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