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Hello everyone, and welcome to another edition of the NFL

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Draft Triple Take, presented by U

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P m C. Mike Pursued, A, Dale Lolly

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and Matt Williamson. We've still got

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the pedal down. We are still plowing

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through the prospects to get you as ready as possible

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for the NFL Draft. Only the Steelers

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scouts guys are gonna be more prepared

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than the people who have been with us since

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day one. And that's only if they've been among

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the people who have been with us. They

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have to watch them all, not just the first take, but

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the second take as well. And the second

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take. UH, as you may or may not know

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by now. If you don't, this will be news

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to you that the second take is not a top five

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at the position. It's a riser, faller

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and sleeper. UH. Just

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trying to get the conversation, UH

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a little more nuanced and UH maybe

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throw some more names out there for discussion

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than you would get in a standard

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top five. UH. I noticed

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that uh, Dale and Matt,

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who conspire the

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drive on s n R and have conspired

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to be in complete agreement

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more often than not on these programs,

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both of you guys are agreement on your riser.

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Who would like to take the floor first to

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discuss the great Trayvon Walker. Go ahead,

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Matt Sin we apparently share a brain. Yeah,

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I'm gonna call kind of an audible here too.

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I mean, I think this one's just

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so obvious with Trayvon

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Walker, and I'll let they'll talk about him mostly,

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but since we're talking edges and linebackers,

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I'm gonna include the other Walker from Georgia

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as well as an off the ball linebacker, Quay

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Walker. Travon is

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almost like a combination athletically

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not production. And this goes

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to their combine numbers of J. J. Watt

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and Von Miller. And I know that sounds remarkable,

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but that's exactly the kind of numbers he posted.

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But Quay the linebacker, I

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think he's rocketing up boards

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as well, because you can do so much with him.

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He has extreme length, he can

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cover tight ends out of the slot,

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he can blitz, he can play off the ball. His

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numbers were tremendous too, So two

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Walkers from Georgia. Yeah,

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you know, I think Walker Trayvon Walker.

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Um, I know everybody raved about some of

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the big guys running. This guy came

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in a six five to seventy two and ran

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a four five to forty at two

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hundred and seventy two pounds. It's his three coundrel

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was six point eight nine. Uh.

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It just really easy change of direction

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for him. And he's got thirty

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five inch arms long there. I

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mean, he's just a physical freak.

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Uh. And so I think you're seeing

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a lot of of of movement for him up

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the draft boards here. You know, I know he was

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considered, you know, an easy first

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round draft pick, but now I think

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you're talking top five with him. And that's why I had

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to put him as my riser at

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that position. There's even some talk that he

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could be the top overall pick in this draft, and I don't

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think anybody would blink an eye if that happened. So

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really freakish athlete and to Matt's point,

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kind of a combination you could. You

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could have him put on ten pounds and playment

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defensive end and not you know, it wouldn't be a problem.

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You could have him stay at two seventy two and

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and play outside linebacker in

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a three or four defense and it wouldn't be a problem. There's just

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so much that you can do with a guy like that. Some

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talk about him being first overall on

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this very program, well not this specific

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one, but our last mock

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draft mocks three point Oh, you guys probably

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recalled that I mocked him

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number one to the Jacksonville

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Jaguar. So I couldn't include him as

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my riser because there's nowhere to go. He's

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he's at the top of the list. You can't go higher

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than the first overall. But I do want to mention all

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the points you guys made about his physicals

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and how he played and where he played. There

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was a play in the National Championship game and nobody

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on the broadcast noticed this because

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it was just after Jamison Williams got hurt

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for Alabama, and the freshman kid came

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in number eighty four, and he made a catch

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a crossing route and then he stopped

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and made the Obie Dean miss and wound up getting

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a twenty four yard gain out of it. Guess

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who made the tackle. Traymond Walker, lining

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up at defensive tackle, started

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to pass rush, didn't get there,

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saw the ball, release, looked around,

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located it. Chase down a wide

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receiver from well behind the play. Now

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the guy was running sideways a little bit to

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start, but the kind of football instincts

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and football i Q and the effort

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and the motor. Uh, he

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checks every box. And Uh,

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if I was Jacksonville, I'd take him number

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one this year. Uh, particularly if

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I had the roster that is currently

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comprised in Jacksonville. That said, I couldn't

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make him my riser, So I went with

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Arnold Ebakte of Penn

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State. Uh. He's been rising for a

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while now. Uh, good move transferring

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to Penn State. He went from second team All

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American Athletic Conference to first team

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All Big Ten, going from Temple

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to Penn State. And another one of these guys who's

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really got a physical skill set. Uh

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he was. Uh he's not an a Native

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American. He was born in Cameroon. Family

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got here when he was twelve, picked up the

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game in high school. He's still figuring all this stuff

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out, but really an intriguing

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guy, uh, coming off the edge, at

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least initially as a past rusher, and

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then as he figured some more stuff out, maybe

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he could do a whole lot more. He was one of the guys dale

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at the combine that they had to do the conversion

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drills. Uh, some of the past rushers

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asked to drop in coverage and uh,

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not a chess piece yet, but a vers

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little guy for sure. Yeah, he definitely has

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a skill set to do those kind of things. And this

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draft, I mean, there's there's a lot of those guys

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that that you look at and say, boy, you

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could do some things with this guy, if you know, I

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remind people all the time that you know, t

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J. Watt was the ninth edge rusher taken

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in his draft night. There

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were nine. There were eight other guys edge rushers

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taking at him. Some of them have worked out, some

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of them have not, but he

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was the best one. So I mean you you had a

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similar kind of depth in this one in this

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draft as well with some of his edge guys. Matt

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Dale and I are the ones who agree on the fall or

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you're the outlier with my

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J Sanders of Cincincinnati. Yeah,

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I mean, to his credit, he's helped the Bearcats

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get where they are over the last couple of years.

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And it was a good college player. But

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you know, we're not giving credit for what they did in college.

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You gotta project these guys to the pros. And

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at six five, he

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looks like Mike Evans to me not an edge defender,

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and he's just really,

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really lean, and I don't think he's really

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adept and playing in space or playing

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you know, back and back, you going in reverse.

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So I just don't think he's got enough

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you know, sand in his pants to play on

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the line of scrimmage. And then another

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thing I've noticed about him the more I've studied him,

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is he has a terrible habit

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of jumping off sides. And in

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itself, that's definitely bad

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behind him blowing him into the line right right,

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right, But but it also indicates to

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me that he gets a lot of his production by

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guessing the snap count and winning with

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speed, and that's not gonna fly at the next level. Yeah,

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it's funny you mentioned the off side thing. Interesting

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littlantic though. Here. Back when I was in college

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a hundred years ago, I took a class called Football

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Coaching one oh one, and the way

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they did it was each week a different

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position coach would give the lecture,

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and then there would be a quiz the next week on last

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week's stuff, and then you'd learned the new stuff.

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And Steve Ferness, the old defensive lineman

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from the Steel Curtain was

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head coach George Peerless defensive line

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coach at Michigan State at the time, so he

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gave the lecture on defensive lineman and

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and this stuck with me low these many

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years later. He said, when you play defensive

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line, it's important if it's starting

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for not to jump off side. That's

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good advice, but you know you gotta

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take it. I guess it's is the point

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that Matt, did you ever figure out why uh

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Sanders lost so much weight between the combine

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and the Pro Day? I heard some rumblings

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about an illness, but I mean, even just watching

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his tape at Cincinnati,

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he's very lean and doesn't have

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a real thick to find heavy lower

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body, and you just get pushed around and

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the least is too physical Dale.

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You and I agree that the faller is David

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a job, although I don't think he's gonna

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fall as much as you expect a

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guy that tours Achilles on the Pro

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day to fought. This guy

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is fascinating to me. I think I

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think he is underrated. I know Hutchinson

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is a great player, but I think he I think Hutchinson

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has been anointed to a certain extent

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for whatever reason. I think a job has

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got miles and miles of upside.

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He's just getting started. I'm curious

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to see how far he does fall. I think he will a

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little bit, but I'm not ready to say he doesn't

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get out of the first round. In fact, in mark

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three point oh, Matt and I had him going to

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Detroit at thirty two. Yeah,

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you know, he's gonna be interesting. I had him as number

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three on my original triple take

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at at the edge rusher position. He's

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not gonna go there. Um, you know, I think

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he ends up being the six or seventh

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ad dresser taken. And so the

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difference there is that, you know, being

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a potential top ten pick to being

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somewhere in the twenties probably. So that's

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a pretty big fall, and it's gonna cost him a lot of money

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through no fault of his own. He tories Achilles

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tendon at his his pro day workout,

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So you know, it's kind of a cautionary tale.

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I know some guys since then

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haven't worked out at their pro days because of

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that what happened to him, because they saw it's

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probably gonna end up costing him a couple of million

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dollars and is unfortunate,

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but it is part of the process here. There's

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always somebody. We've seen this in the past, where

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guys have gotten hurt and fallen out of the first round.

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I think he's too freaky, and I think we

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know more about achilles injuries than we used

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to, and I think they're much more treatable.

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It used to be a well, if you tore your achilles, it

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was gonna be two years before you were back. Now

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we're seeing guys come back the same season. He

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should play at some point this season. Um,

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but he was a raw prospect to begin with. So

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I do think there's some value to using

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that fift year option with a guy like a job.

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I as opposed to taking him in the second

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round and then you've only got him for four

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years and the first year is kind of gonna be a wash to

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a certain degree. So if you get that fifth year

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option with him, I think it makes a big difference. Again,

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I think the upside for this kid is

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almost Uh. He's

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a one year player at Michigan, really, and

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so there's a lot there's a lot of untapped potential

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there. I'm gonna stay in a Big ten

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conference for my sleeper bully ma

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Fe of Minnesota who's making

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a lot of noise, and a

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guy who kind of started figuring it out,

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uh in the latter stages of season

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that he had a great senior ball and

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then he had a really good combine. Matt,

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we're talking to a previous episode and Dale

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mentioned this as well, about how some

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of these guys are afterthoughts where

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in any other quote unquote normal

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year, they'd be stars. But

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they were just great. They weren't

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freaky. But Uh, this kid seems

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to have a knack to me, He's figured

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out how not to run ten yards

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behind the quarterback and take yourself too

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deep. He's figured out how to attack with his

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hands when he gets there. Uh

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six floor to sixty one.

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I don't know if he's gonna sneak into the first round

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or not. Probably

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not, but somebody's gonna

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be great, great value. I

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think he has a chance. I mean, I think they're again

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bringing up t. J. Watt was a ninth edge

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rusher taking in two thousand seventeen.

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It wouldn't surprise me if we see that many edge

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rushers go again this year, eight or nine. So

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there's a shot that a guy like a boy could

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could find his way into the first round, UM,

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and he typically you know, if if those guys

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are going in that later part of that, they're they're

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going to a team that made

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the playoffs last year, and so it

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ends up being a pretty good situation for them. Yeah,

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situational, maybe not as much pressure. You don't

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have to get thrown right in. There's gonna

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be all kinds of pressure on Aidan Hutchinson Thibodeaux

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to come out and be stars right away, where a

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guy like my fae or even a lot

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a Jobo at this point they

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can take their time. They let's

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stick with you and get your sleeper.

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Uh. Has this pick made in honor of Ben Roethlisborger.

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You know, it's the same school Dominique

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Robinson of Miami of Ohio. But

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he was again one of the guy that I

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didn't know much about going to the the

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uh the Senior Bowl and

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really had a good week of practices down there.

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Uh six five to fifty three at the combine.

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He weighed in a little heavier than that at

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his pro day UM, but he

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had a four seven to forty forty

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one inch vertical at six five to fifty

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three I mean I get out of here with that. Uh,

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it is pro day. He had a four one nine

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short shuttle, which was what was up

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vertical. Again, does

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Kellipari know this? Uh? Somebody

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on the Miami of Ohio basketball team should

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have known that. Uh. He was a wide receiver

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when he first got there. So his first two years

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on campus he played wide receiver and cut twenty

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seven passes. So there's a little bit of

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Joey Porter going on here. Joey Porter

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was a wide receiver at Colorado State

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when he got there and converted to UH to

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to outside linebacker, defensive end, and then outside

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linebacker for the Steelers. I see some of

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that with Dominque. Robinson didn't have great

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production in college. Um,

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so there there is a little bit of questions

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there. But again, that's short shuttle four point

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one nine. That's ninety second percentile

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for somebody that size. I mean, he can move

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and jump, and he's an athlete very

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again, very raw to position. But you

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could do some stuff with him if you get him into the right program.

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Yeah. I like that pick a lot, man. I

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got a little ahead of myself. I was looking at your selection.

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Uh. Josh Pascal of Kentucky

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and Dale. That's why I Calipery

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Toll Perry has been known to some

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guys from other schools too. I fall

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started, I didn't snap out,

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but uh, some intriguing guys

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matt on both sides of the trenches of

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Kentucky in recent seasons. Yeah, and

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Pascal is a real easy guy to root for too.

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He's a guy you want on your upball team.

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He's the only three time captain in

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Kentucky's history. Uh. He came

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back from a malignant melanoma

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on his foot back in two thousand eighteen.

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Has been really productive since he's

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almost like a shorter

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version of Bud Dupre in terms of body type.

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He's really really thick. He plays

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extremely hard, really difficult

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to move off the edge. I mean, he's just

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really easy to like. Yeah,

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that's a good stuff as well.

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And uh, that's one of those positions Dale.

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How many Uh Well, t J. Watt was the ninth

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guy, the ninth I

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wonder how the tenth one will fare this

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year. Five years now, it seems

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like there's a lot of them again. And uh,

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it's gonna be really interesting to see not only where these

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guys go, but if they go to

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a good situation if you know, if it's

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the right fit. Presumably that's a team's

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draft for but sometimes they get a little caught

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up in uh, I think chasing

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the name or the

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for the recognition as opposed to, well,

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this guy really does what we want to do.

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But a lot of athletes out there, a lot

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of big guys that can run and jump.

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Good luck quarterbacks moving

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forward, that's gonna do it. For this

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