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Hello everyone, and welcome to still another edition

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of the NFL Draft Triple Take, presented

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by U P M C Mike pursued

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at Dale Lally Matt Williamson with you again.

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We've gone through the positions. We've gone through

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the positions again, and if you were with us

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last time, you found out what we think

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of the offensive prospects

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in terms of the top ten one

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through ten, or as we like to present it, ten

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counting it down to one. We're gonna do

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it on the defensive side of the

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ball today, and the offense

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we were kind of all I wouldn't say all over the

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place, but we had some different faces

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in some different places. Uh. Defensively,

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Matt, Uh, it's hard to

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imagine we're not going to align these guys up pretty

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close. Uh the same way. Yeah,

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And this side of the ball is just flat out

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better. To be honest, when you do an exercise like

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this, you can you can tell right away. Like

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my number ten guy, I'm sitting here thinking,

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boy, he may have been third

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or fourth on my offensive list, you know. And

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so there was a lot of good players we left I left

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off my top ten as well. This is

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a really good group that

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it is Dale. Why don't you uh lead us

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off with your number ten? Okay,

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at ten, I have a linebacker, Devin

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Lloyd out of Utah and

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and the ten spot was tough. Actually nine

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intim were tough on this list because I

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probably left about eight guys off of here that

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they easily could have been on. But Devin

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Lloyd just makes plays all over the place

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at every level, and so there's a

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lot to like there with him. I

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think if you look at both he and Kyle

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Hamilton's I don't know that there's a lot of difference

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there between the two players, except one

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has an ask beside his name and the other one as an LB.

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Uh. I mean they're both long, uh,

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physical players who can make plays at

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all three levels. And and you know, I

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think Lloyd's gonna be a good football player. Doesn't

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take false steps, just makes plays.

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I've got him number eight on my list.

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And he did run unofficial

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four seven one four seven four

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at the combine It was four or six six of official

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and Daniel Jeremiah poo poo

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that on the NFL network. He said,

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this guy's like Darius Leonard. He

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plays much much faster than

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he runs. Uh, that's another one.

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I'm not gonna overthink it. If you tell me a guy

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plays like Darius Leonard good

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enough for my team and off the ball linebacker,

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Matt, why don't you clusen on your number

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ten? Yeah, Lloyd? I actually in the right up.

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I said Lloyd was my eleven. You know, I hated

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leaving him off. I left David a Jabo

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off too, which made my list a little easier

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because of his only because of his Achilles

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injury. I did not too. I would not have

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otherwise if he was healthy. Her on the right

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actually made this project a little easier,

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and that got Dax Hill on here at number ten.

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Who Day and I talked about,

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you know what we talked about on the drive a lot, and Dax

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Hill is getting a lot of airtime

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on the drive, and we both have fallen in love with

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him. I mean, he is an elite

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athlete, a Michigan guy, a job was, you

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know, teammate. I'm just gonna

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call him a defensive back. I mean he's listed as

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a safety, but he can play the slot. I'm

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not sure he's on outside corner if he wanted.

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Oh man, He's really an exciting player

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and as I kind of preference to start. You mentioned

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the preference to start the show. I think

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I take hell over everyone

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on my offensive list except for maybe three guys.

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I like him so good I have him at nine.

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Actually, Uh, for a guy that a

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lot of people weren't talking about when this draft

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process started, I mean, he turned on the tape

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of him. You see him playing

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deep safety, you see him lining up. He had

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like five hundred snaps in the slot last

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year. I mean, he's gonna see he's gonna immediately

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come in and starts a nickel

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corner right out of the gate, whether

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he can, whether he plays any safety or not. So

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there's a lot to like there with this guy. And he's got

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size. I mean, how many of these slot cornerbacks

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you guys who are capable of playing

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the slot or six ft and a d nine

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pounds. I mean, he's just he's a special

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player. My number

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ten is a quarterback, Trent McDuffie

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from Washington. Uh, guy who

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everybody loves. All the teams wanted to talk

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to him at the combine. And he's

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got on field, he's got upstairs, a

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coach on the field, rep Uh,

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not too much doubt about his bona

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fides. Uh, Matt, you've got

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him at number nine. Uh.

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My number nine is Jermaine Johnson,

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the second the edge from Florida State.

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Um. Good thing he got out of Georgia

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because he looked like he

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could dominate anywhere but Georgia.

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My number eight is Lloyd We talked

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about him. Matt, you've got Johnson

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at eight and Dale. Uh,

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you've got Jordan Davis of George

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as your number eight defensive prospect. Yeah.

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And again it was tough slotting these guys,

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but I think Davis um,

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you know, as a true nose tackle type.

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Uh, He's not gonna be for everybody, but

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you know, you go to the combine, he run a four seven

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eight forty at six six three at

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forty one pounds. I'm pretty sure you've

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got enough explosiveness to play

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on passing down in the NFL, if if

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your team so chooses to use you in that in

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that fashion, he played last year three

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sixty pounds. He got down to three forty one for the

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combine. I think he he realizes that's

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where he needs to be at and just

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a lot to like, there's a guy who can plug the middle

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of your defense. Yeah,

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I'm a big fan. I've got him at number

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seven, um, and yeah,

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I don't. I don't care about the pass rush.

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The guy's a human run stuffing machine.

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To me. He makes plays at the

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edge, he makes plays in the middle. Uh

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he can, he can go forward and disrupt

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if he develops a pass rush. Great, But

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uh, I took him at seven and night. I'm

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a little surprised I didn't have the higher than that.

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Matt, your number seven is a really interesting

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guy. Cavon Thibodeaux of Oregon.

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Yeah, and one one last Davis note to you

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said he makes plays all over. I mean he'll make

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plays on the sidelines, even when he lines

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up with nose. I mean, when he starts running. I

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mean, he's like a herd account there's there's

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no stopping that means. And

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even the pass rush stuff, Mike, I mean, even

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if he's not a super developed pass rusher,

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if he takes a center and the guard to deal

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with as he starts walking back to the quarterback,

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other guys are gonna make plays, you know. So I'm

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not super worried about that. UM.

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I have Thibodeau at seven. As you mentioned, I

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had no idea where to put him. I almost left him off

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the list, to be honest with you, just

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because of all the things you read. And I hate

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to scout that way because I would

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love to sit down with him and see what he's you

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know, what makes him tick? Um. You know,

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he was this monster recruit. Everyone

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a year ago thought he was the first overall pick.

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And I see some of those traits, but I don't.

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I also don't see the bend

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of a von Miller or you know that

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I expected from him. I thought I'd watch this table

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like, holy cow, it's this guy unbelievably talented.

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But if he hits, he'll hit big. My

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number six is Ahmad Garner,

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quarterback from Cincinnati. I think

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you guys like him a little bit uh

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more than I do. If him, uh I

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got him a number one, he's one for me too.

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You know one thing, one thing about

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him. You can't base it on production

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because nobody threw out him. No

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no, no, I mean he didn't. He didn't give up a touchdown

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his entire college career. His

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career. I mean, you would think

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as a freshman, hey, we're gonna we're gonna

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throw at this freshman over here and see if we can get

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something. Give up nothing.

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I mean, he's a

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really clean prospect. I just

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think there's a lot there to like with this guy. A

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six three cornerback that can run. I

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mean, he's he's my number one.

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It's funny. I volunteered a year at Duquesne

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before I was hired to pit, and we had

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Lee Bauden and Lee Bowden didn't

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belong at Duquete, and it was kind of like this feeling

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like it didn't matter who they trotted

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out oppositely, nobody was throwing his direction

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and a thousand years and I got that feeling

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with Gardner too, like why am I throwing at

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the best guy in the field at six three? That's a pre spind

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corner with long arms, and it's a great player. Matt,

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you and I have a Dirk Stingley junior cornerback

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l s U at number five. Understand

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it with some health issues. Understand there's

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been some inconsistency issues, but I am

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shooting for the high ceiling, and

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uh, I know this guy can cover Jamar Chase,

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not one I gotta overthink. I've seen the

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video. He was all over him a couple of

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years ago down in bat Tom Rouge. Uh

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find that guy developed. That guy,

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you're a pretty good shape. Yeah. He's also

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the youngest of all the quarter corners that are

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definitely gonna get drafted in this class. As

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much as I just said great about Gardner, who's my

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one, it wouldn't shock me at all two

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years from now if we redid this list of Stingley's

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one. I mean, he may be the best quarter in the league

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before you know it. Yeah, I've actually got him at two

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on my list. And I

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mean again, go go watch the

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video of him covering Jamar

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Chase two years ago or three years ago. Jamar

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Chase couldn't shake him, couldn't shake

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him, and that guy was Stingley was a true freshman.

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So, uh, there's a there's just a lot

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there to like. He went to his pro day and

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and kind of alleviated any of those concerns

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about his speed in that foot injury

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that he had. He ran four four Uh, good

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size cornerback. I mean, Stingley

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and Gardner are guys just you

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know, you can you talk about eat drafts, uh

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and comparing drafts other drafts. Those

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two guys are going at the top of the corner backboard

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in any draft. They'll

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uh you're you're five is Trayvon Walker

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Edge Georgia? And then uh, I've got him

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significantly higher. But tell us why

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you picked hip number five? Well, you know

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what I mean, you had to put him in somewhere. I like the I like the

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defensive backs, as I said one and two with

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with Gardner and Stingley, because I think they're

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really special players. Uh, there's

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a lot of edge rushers in this draft. Walker

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six five two seventy two pounds. He kind

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of reminds me of an athletic version

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of Bud Dupree, even more athletic

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than dupre if you can imagine that. So that's

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pretty good already at six

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five to seventy two. But

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where were you know? And I get that he played at Georgia, so

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that so you know, he was racing everybody else

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to the ball, but he didn't have the

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production that you'd like to see out of that position.

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And you know, maybe maybe he'll be a better pro Matt.

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You have, Uh, Aidan Hutchinson

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second. Uh, Dale's

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got him fourth. I've

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got him fourth. Why

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uh do most people seemingly

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perceive Hutchinson to clearly be better than

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Walker? What when we look at these marks

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all over the place, the ones I

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see of Hutchinson going uh

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first round to jacksonvill Why why is it

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not more of an even split it tren He

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brought that up because this is certainly

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lying season. You know, everything you read

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or here take with a grain of salt

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because put people are putting false information out

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left and right. And I'm not disputing

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what you say, because I've seen all those moks too.

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I think there's more and more buzz that Walker could

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go first overall. I mean, just because of the traits,

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you know, and the depending how much your

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coaches are involved in the process.

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Coach is one Walker, you know, I mean the

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front office people want Hutchinson. I think

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he's a little safer you know where. You

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know. Dale's point about Walker's lack of production

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is very real, I mean' is worrisome. Um,

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Hutchinson has the production kind of played

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a different position though, right A little

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bit, yeah, a little bit. I mean, why don't they dropping the

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cover joints in a while? In the pros he might be

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Hutchinson, uh, you know, playing

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that attack the pocket from the edge

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and you may see some stuff. Uh.

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Number three on Dale's list is Kyle

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Hamilton's notre dame. He's number four

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on Matt's list. He's number two on

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Mike's list. I have Thibodeaux

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at three again. I'm I'm shooting Ford Moon

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and upside and I don't care about red

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flags and injury and all that's I'm

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projecting that five years from now everything is gonna

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work out and these guys are gonna be as good as

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I think they could be, because that's always the way it works.

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Absolutely absolutely easy hit that

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ever gets fired either. That's just

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Hamilton's mesmerizes

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me. And it's not like he made

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every play and it's not like he tested

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off the charts, but he just I mean he

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he really looks the part. To me, he

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does, and you know, I know people are caught up.

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Well, he only ran a four or five nine forty

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at least six pounds, so

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his his four or five nine forty

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is like a five eleven guy running a four four

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five forty because he covers so much

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ground with his body. I mean, you gotta throw

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the ball over top of this guy, and you just

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can't do it because he's so darn big. And

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then he's two twenty pounds. I mean, he's he's

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basically, you know, a chess piece that you can

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put wherever. I like I talked about when we talked with Lloyd

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Well talked about Lloyd these guys. You

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know, if you put an LB beside Hamilton's name,

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would anybody flinch? No? Because

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he's yeah,

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you talk, He's got really good speed.

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I mean he's just a playmaker, that's all he is.

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The Other thing about Hamilton's two I keep mentioning these

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ages. He just turned twenty one, like

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last week or so. So a

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year or two from now, is he gonna be six four

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two and order six four to thirty?

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I mean there, he's a big framed

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guy. It just makes a ton of a ton of plays.

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Dale's got the Stingley at two

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and Gardner at one. As

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he mentioned, Matt, looking

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at your number two, it's Hutchinson Gardner

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number one. I've got Hamilton's

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number two, and my number one is Trayvon

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Walker. Uh. If you guys remember

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our last mock draft, I had him

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going first overall to Jacksonville

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because again the chest beast thing to me,

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uh, position list football and the trend

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that you know, you want to align the guy here and there

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confused the quarterback. I just I think

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he's gonna have better numbers in

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the NFL than he did at college because I think in college

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they wanted him doing a certain job because they

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had a lot of other guys that at that level

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will relatively equal. I think when he gets

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to the NFL will maybe be better, uh

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than a lot of the guys around him, particularly if he's gonna

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be an early pick. I

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can't just agree with that. I mean, yeah, I mean we've

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seen that from some other guys, you

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know, where Shawn Garry out of Michigan was

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a guy that had no stats and

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has played pretty well for the Packers. You

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know, we saw it with o a last year who went

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to the Ravens Um you know, had it was better

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as a as an NFL player than he was in

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college. Yeah. I can't believe I'm saying that

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the stats don't matter, because that that used

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to meet a great deal to me, But not not so

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much anymore. Not that you know, you can't

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base it all on forty times or vertical

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leaps either, but uh, when those

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things meshed together, you got a pretty good football

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player. Yeah, and then you get some good tape behind

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it, and that's why you make the top ten list on

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offense or defense from the Triple Take. Guys,

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