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And welcome. To. My favorite murder?

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That's Georgia. Hard Cirque That's Care

1:03

and Co. Gareth. And

1:06

and andrey. And

1:08

breathe and sigh. and think about what

1:11

you've done. I

1:13

hope you feel bad I were all disappointed

1:15

in you. That's where we want you to

1:17

be for the beginning of this podcast and

1:20

then go down from here. The out start

1:22

real real low in the gutter, you know,

1:24

and then dig a basement for that gutter.

1:27

That's. Right? Because we're there with you.

1:29

Are all their together? Hey man, Yeah.

1:32

We really are good. Was like standing

1:34

water, you know, just snuck him down

1:36

in the basement. We the the without.

1:38

Yeah, we're definitely getting angry. Nablus one

1:40

that's for sure. Okay, speaking of down

1:42

and eat in the basement or if

1:44

you've been. Watching.

1:47

Or have you watched baby reindeer

1:49

on Netflix? I. Have to say

1:51

I started it and I got to a certain point

1:53

in the first episode and then I said i can't

1:55

do this with you right now I will come back

1:57

at a later date and I'm going to meet you.

2:00

Who am I? My advice is to

2:02

get to episode four. Okay, so it's

2:04

about a guy and it's a true.

2:06

Story. And the actors. The guys who broke

2:08

the fucking story. Yes, the one man show

2:10

I believe yes as it is Richard God

2:12

so he wrote it and it's about. Him

2:15

being starts by this woman

2:17

and. So. Much more than that. It's

2:20

an actress that I love so much.

2:22

She was in the David Mitchell, Robert

2:24

Webb show back She's been in a

2:26

million with their. I knew she

2:28

was familiar. Jessica? Damning Yeah she's amazing.

2:30

That and other mouth is amazing. I

2:32

mean it's. google. Really well

2:34

acted. But. It's triggering a

2:36

really, really, very courageous don't.

2:39

Know it's apparently because I said that to

2:41

somebody. I was like I'd heard it's really

2:43

good but I had to death and then

2:46

they were like oh yeah, it's just more

2:48

to grinding after that like that. I'm. Sorry

2:50

to think for me that there is now with starts

2:52

with I was like she's just like totally leaving her

2:54

on and by won't hear like. Tells a

2:56

don't like it he was bothering me

2:59

about why he was at. yeah I'd

3:01

are now so where is it? Okay

3:03

said episode. But. That fourth episode

3:05

is about some trauma he went

3:08

through and it explains. A little

3:10

bit about why he's letting things

3:12

be the way they are Okay

3:14

and that's so fucked up. And

3:16

dark, Don't watch it if you earn. A buck

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and dark place by is so

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well nine and it's like it's

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like so he bag of but

3:25

even thirty or oh wow yeah.

3:27

Yeah I've heard that it was

3:29

kind of like does Sleep Bag

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Rollout of started as an award

3:33

winning one man show type the

3:35

saying and then done develop some

3:37

tv so I'm deathly very interested

3:39

in. Is not the best

3:41

time for me. I see some scientists

3:44

ssl like so but florists the word

3:46

like self reflective that you know that

3:48

you shouldn't be doing that right? Yeah,

3:50

yeah, my Tv has to be. I'll

3:52

just say if this were gone into

3:54

round nine. Of Arrested Development says I'm

3:57

not seeing things that I'm not sure

3:59

was they're not first place. I'm just

4:01

like A Mile has made a new

4:03

scenes in the show because I'm enjoying

4:05

it. It's just as much as I

4:07

ever have some so beautiful place to

4:09

be a solo little. It's true. As

4:11

he once said, as the kids now

4:13

say to Lulu. That we gotta

4:15

just get through. We just gotta get through at

4:17

this point. do as you can don't want salt

4:19

from. I watched that and that until for me

4:21

at all that's not the one. Will it

4:24

is. It's so porn certainly isn't going to

4:26

be doing any mending. Internal memo: it's

4:28

gonna be a rippling. Some things open

4:30

the yeah for sure. Got anything?

4:32

Speaking of ripping things open. Here's

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the one thing I do as to

4:37

tell you about Georgia. Yeah to there's

4:39

a woman on tic toc to tells

4:41

the story where during covered lockdown she

4:43

saw so many conspiracy theories on the

4:45

internet that were just crazy that she

4:47

started going on and like arguing with

4:50

people almost like sarcastically of lights yeah

4:52

you know she would say this. The

4:54

example she gets that if somebody would

4:56

say they believe the moon is hollow

4:58

should go oh my god you believe

5:00

in the moon and says that was

5:02

kind of her diseases research person she's

5:04

a historian. A I believe the

5:06

Summer and remembering correctly the name

5:08

on that account is Kiki. Sheer

5:10

genius or at sheer sch. Fi

5:13

are are genius. But

5:15

then she's like I want to make have

5:17

a really good conspiracy theories so she remembers

5:19

his she's I guess an. Art historian

5:22

and. She remembers that

5:24

Edgar Degas. Hated women.

5:27

He's the guy that painted the all

5:29

the ballerinas and did all the sculptures

5:31

of like ballerina girls cr and she

5:34

comes up with this theory. Edward De

5:36

Gar is Jack the Ripper. but the

5:38

more she looks into it and then

5:40

or is she is investigating it's the

5:43

more it seems like she's actually rights

5:45

and so no I was. Yes. And

5:47

she's basically now that everyone. Is going

5:49

crazy for this theory? She does. I don't want to

5:52

crime. I don't see this isn't something I'm

5:54

interested in. it's just that once I started

5:56

looking into Eight, I. Can't look away

5:58

as things are going the not

6:00

move. I love that and the

6:02

idea that he. A

6:04

It's you have to see it. It's Soca. Okay,

6:07

so as it. Is this is a like

6:09

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6:11

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11:36

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11:39

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11:42

There's a beautiful up turns

11:44

so okay. We'll start January

11:46

twenty eighteen. Fifty six year

11:48

old gym locker of Fort Worth, Texas Places are

11:50

called of the Fort Worth Police Departments cold case

11:52

you nets it is a phone number He has

11:55

called many times. Before each time

11:57

with the same mission to

11:59

after. Even decades to try

12:01

to do something to move the

12:03

case forward. Of his sister,

12:05

Carla's murder, some Carla Walker was

12:07

murdered and nineteen seventy four when

12:09

she was seventeen. Years old and

12:12

gym locker was only twelve

12:14

years old when that happens, right?

12:16

Oh, he and his entire

12:18

family have spent every year since

12:20

Nineteen seventy Four, doing whatever, They

12:23

could to try and bring. Their

12:25

sisters killer to justice. Now both of

12:27

his parents are dead, the burden of

12:29

the hunt is falling squarely on gym

12:32

shoulders, and each time he calls this

12:34

cold case you net, he's either met

12:36

with no updates, they just have nothing

12:39

to tell him or a department voice

12:41

mail. And on this day in January

12:43

of twenty again, he gets the voicemail

12:46

once again. But. After he

12:48

leaves one of his usual messages there

12:50

used to him they know his name

12:52

is they know Carla walkers brother will

12:54

be checking in on this. This time

12:57

he gets a call back from a

12:59

new detective. Leah Wagner is of that

13:01

on the force. She's new to the

13:03

cold case unit in Fort Worth and

13:06

so she's new to perilous case. She

13:08

takes an immediate interest in this cold

13:10

case and unlike the detectors who have

13:12

come before her, she seems genuinely up

13:14

to the task of finding Carless Killer

13:17

Gym earnestly. Tells her if the person

13:19

who kill Carla is still alive he's

13:21

gonna be getting on and years please.

13:23

We're running out of daylight. On

13:25

this is the story of the murder

13:27

of Carla Walker. Wow! So

13:29

you'll be happy to hear that

13:31

one of the people were probably

13:33

the biggest fans of Skip Hollingsworth,

13:35

who is a journalist out of

13:37

Texas. The we've from the very

13:39

beginning I'm thoroughly relied on his

13:41

journalism and the stories that he

13:43

brings to the page to be

13:45

able to talk about especially cold

13:47

cases and the old cases he

13:49

be mostly reports about the ones

13:52

in Texas. Yeah, he does it

13:54

for a publication called Texas Monthly

13:56

which is a really amazing magazine

13:58

from out. Of there. And so. There's

14:00

an article I won't read you. The title of

14:02

it can give. Things away but is

14:04

from Texas Monthly that skip Hollingsworth

14:06

throats. And then there's also an

14:08

article some Nbc side Dallas Fort

14:10

Worth that we used and the

14:12

rest of the sources. Are in our show.

14:14

Notes: So Carla Gm. Walker is

14:16

born January thirty first, nineteen sixty seven

14:18

in Fort Worth, Texas and of father

14:21

late and Walker is a retired Air

14:23

Force veteran The rose to the rank

14:25

of lieutenant Colonel, fighting and both World

14:27

War Two and in the. Korean

14:29

War? Yes. I do

14:31

think he had a buzz cut

14:33

I but using out about us

14:36

cat we could just see what

14:38

he looks like right now. I

14:40

bet you he liked things folded

14:42

in neatly put away. Oh my

14:44

god. Nurses corner making of the

14:46

bed every morning? Yes so precise

14:48

sound sing of the corner I

14:50

am and so that's her Father

14:52

Layton, Her mother, Doris Locker was

14:54

born and raised in Texas just

14:56

like her father, Carlos, one of

14:58

seven children three boys for girls

15:00

does big. Family and they live

15:02

in Benbrook which is a suburb

15:04

in the southwest corner of Fort

15:06

Worth which is quiet. save all

15:09

the neighbors know each other, Nobody

15:11

locks their doors. Were setting up

15:13

a classic seventies. Murder. Story

15:16

in. School. Carla is known

15:18

to be a very sweet girl. She's

15:20

really nice to. There is a very

15:22

popular she's on the Pub squad at

15:24

Western Health High School and one schoolmates

15:27

described her as quote the kind of

15:29

girl who smiled and said loaded just

15:31

about every one she saw in the

15:33

hallways and quo. So truly a sweet

15:36

person And when she's a junior she

15:38

starts dating a boy from the football

15:40

team name Rodney Mccoy. They're in love!

15:42

They planned to both go to Texas

15:44

Tech University after they graduate and. Carla

15:47

Hope. To marry him. There it's

15:49

it's. it's true. teenage love. So

15:52

on the evening Saturday, February sixteenth,

15:54

Ninety Seventy four Rodney a rise

15:56

at the Walker House to pick

15:58

up Carla and take her to

16:01

the school. Valentine's Day dance studios

16:03

are a corsage and they drive

16:05

off in Rodney Mom's car. So

16:07

classic. You know high school says

16:09

she's seventeen? She is seventeen. Years

16:12

and assistant. she's a junior.

16:15

So they go to the dance. they've a great

16:17

time, they say it until it ends at eleven

16:19

thirty and then they get a couple friends to

16:21

go cruz the main drag with them which in

16:24

Fort Worth is Camp but we boulevard. They make

16:26

a couple stops along the way they go to

16:28

Taco Bell. They also go to a place called

16:30

Mr. Quick hamburger. Not

16:33

the catchiest name you've ever heard.

16:35

So obviously they're destroying some teenage

16:37

hanging out than Rodney drops of

16:39

friends off and then Rodney and

16:41

Carla gets be alone. So sometime

16:44

around between midnight and twelve thirties,

16:46

Rodney stops at the local bowling

16:48

alley which is the Brunswick Ridgley.

16:50

A bowl said that Carla can

16:52

run in in his bathroom so

16:55

she comes back outside and then

16:57

they said kissing and at one

16:59

point Carl leans back against the

17:01

passenger door. Suddenly.

17:04

The passenger door size open and there's

17:06

a tall man was short brown hair

17:08

wearing a vest and holding a done

17:10

and he just starts beating Rodney over

17:12

the back of the head with the

17:14

butt of his test. All Rodney is

17:16

coming in and out of consciousness. The

17:18

man drags Carla out of the car

17:20

and says you're coming. With me? Aren't you

17:22

sleep? Oh My. God. Yeah.

17:25

So. Before Rodney passes out entirely, he

17:27

hears Carla say go get my

17:29

Dad So when Rodney finally comes

17:31

to it's one in the morning,

17:33

he's sitting in the driver's seat

17:35

since she just races over to

17:38

the Walkers house he jumped the

17:40

curb. He basically lands in the

17:42

walkers front yard, runs up to

17:44

the front door, bangs on the

17:46

door lane and doors are having

17:48

family game night at the moment

17:50

when they hear the knocking so

17:52

late and goes to the door

17:54

and he finds Rodney bloody. And

17:56

panicked Parlous siblings city whose eighteen

17:58

and a first him. They say

18:00

is twelve They're watching Tv in the

18:02

living room. They hear Rodney yell Mr.

18:05

Walker, they've got her, they're gonna hurt

18:07

her bad so late and grabs his

18:09

pistol. dries out to the bowling alley

18:11

to look for Carla while Doors stays

18:14

home and calls the police police show

18:16

up soon after it. They began investigating

18:18

the scene. There in the bowling alley

18:21

parking lot they find carless purse and

18:23

a magazine clip that sell out of

18:25

the attackers gun or they assume did

18:27

when he was speeding or pistol whipping

18:30

Rodney. Carla's of course nowhere

18:32

to be sound said. Walker family

18:34

and the police search. Until.

18:36

Dawn for Carla. There's a

18:38

ground search with people walking around, but

18:41

there's also police searching by helicopter. Which.

18:44

That can assert me in nineteen seventy. Four,

18:46

It seemed kinda like Fort Worth

18:48

kind. Of really cel into action

18:50

there. In a

18:52

way I don't know if they do

18:55

anymore overall that quickly. at least right?

18:57

Yes, Exactly. Just like trusting that this

18:59

is absolute top and him than they

19:01

need to take action right now. So

19:03

the following Monday at school which is

19:05

February. Eighteenth, and in seventy four,

19:07

the detectives. Go into Western Hills

19:09

high desert interviewing kids, asking of

19:12

have any information that could help

19:14

this case. There's a look through

19:16

photos that were taken at the

19:18

dance to see if they could

19:20

send any clues. Neither of those

19:22

avenues of investigation turn up any

19:25

leads than about two days later

19:27

two police officers are searching for

19:29

Carla on foot around then Broke

19:31

Lake which is around five miles

19:33

southwest of the bowling alley where

19:36

she was taken and they see.

19:38

A covert which is the

19:40

concrete passageway under roads were

19:42

water goes through they decide.

19:44

To search that pulverize and inside

19:46

they signed. Seventeen. Year

19:49

Old Carla Walkers body. She's

19:51

lying and on back. The dress that she

19:53

had on for the dance is ripped open.

19:55

She soaked in blood. Her.

19:57

Face and neck or covered scratches and

19:59

bruises. And to those police that sound

20:02

her it looked like she'd been strangled.

20:04

To. Death by Hand. I.

20:07

Mean it's a good thing that they

20:09

had the forethought I go in there

20:11

because as it and sprites came out

20:13

that maybe would have degraded said they

20:15

not found her right away? Absolutely yeah.

20:18

So. When. Carla's

20:20

parents are called to identify the body

20:22

aches. Twelve year old gym goes with

20:24

them. not into the room where her

20:26

body as but from down the hall.

20:28

Since he can hear his

20:30

mother's screams. And. He

20:33

will later. Rupaul Quote: I'd never heard

20:35

anyone make a sound like that's it

20:37

was like an animal sound. It'll stay

20:40

with me. For as long as I live. And

20:43

clothes so for the Fort Worth

20:45

Police to present. In

20:47

on it's. Nineteen Seventy Four. They.

20:50

Can't find fingerprints anywhere. There's no

20:52

security camera footage. There's no dna

20:54

technology that they can analyze anything

20:56

less. Their best bet is that

20:58

they do as they set up

21:00

a tip line, call split in.

21:02

None of them produce any leads

21:04

and the only solid clue that

21:07

please do have to go on

21:09

is that magazine. Clip. That. Was

21:11

in the parking lots and because it came

21:13

from a newer than model which was an

21:15

updated Twenty Two Ruger Hand, then the police

21:18

are able to compile a short list of

21:20

a few dozen people in the area who

21:22

own that kind of guns and they just

21:24

go through that list one by one and

21:26

question every gun owner hoping that. They can

21:28

sign a killer. And the

21:31

closest they seem to get is a

21:33

thirty one year old truck driver name

21:35

Glenmore Curly. When police approach smoker early

21:37

in early March of Nineteen Seventy Four,

21:40

he admits that he did purchase a

21:42

Twenty Two Ruger, but he tells the

21:44

police it a stolen out of his

21:46

truck while he was fishing to take

21:49

the polygraph test. He passes it basically

21:51

he's release date on suspect him of

21:53

of anything and then after a few

21:55

months police get to the end of

21:58

their list of Twenty Two Ruger owners

22:00

and not a single suspects. Brings

22:02

them any closer to a lead.

22:05

So. Of course. Carla's. Murder

22:08

turns Fort Worth upside

22:10

down. It's front

22:12

page news, every local publication. Over

22:15

twelve hundred people show up for

22:17

Carl Walkers funeral kid stop going

22:19

out at night. they suck cruising

22:22

along Can't Bully Boulevard and the

22:24

Western Hills High. P T A

22:26

arranges for to jujitsu black belts

22:28

to come to the school and

22:31

teach self defense and lots of

22:33

people attend. So now everybody. It's

22:35

one of those parts of the

22:38

story where the town changed overnight.

22:40

You know how people started locking? Their doors. The

22:43

innocence is gone. What's so crazy to isn't

22:45

like enough? She was walking home. Alone and

22:47

got snatched the you know which is

22:49

horrible enough but the brazen ness like

22:52

this she was with. Her

22:54

partner, her boyfriend and it didn't

22:56

matter in and like out what

22:58

would be a public place right?

23:00

Yeah, Yes! Access

23:02

So. Of

23:04

course, the Walker family is devastated.

23:06

Carla's brother, Jim knows every morning

23:09

that his mother basically steals a

23:11

way to the bathroom to cry

23:13

in the shower like there's a

23:15

lot of. The. Sad coping

23:18

and difficulty obviously. and this

23:20

pain never subsides as the

23:22

years go by. And to

23:24

make matters worse, The

23:26

Fort Worth police investigating this crime

23:28

have run into a brick wall.

23:30

Basically the few leads that they

23:32

started with of dried up and

23:34

basically the case goes cold. But

23:37

Carla's heartbroken father, Layton is conducting

23:39

his own investigation. Any tips that

23:41

he gets either from people he

23:43

knows or from the anonymous calls

23:45

that she gets at the Walker

23:47

House, she takes every single one

23:49

of them seriously. Ski rights all

23:51

the information from them down. He

23:53

stores it in a small metal

23:55

box. He. Also marks the addresses

23:57

of any potential suspects on a

23:59

map of the Fort Worth area.

24:01

You know he's a determined military

24:03

man and he tells his family

24:06

is not going to rest until

24:08

Carlos killers behind bars and so

24:10

Young Gym sees as others tenacity

24:12

and he adapts it as well.

24:14

He starts running and weight training,

24:16

He takes boxing lessons, joins the

24:18

high school wrestling and football teams

24:20

and how later say. Quote.

24:22

I wanted to be ready in case I ever

24:24

came across the killer. So

24:27

when Jim turned sixteen, he gets his

24:29

driver's license which is in Nineteen seventy

24:31

eight and he takes the tips his

24:33

dad has collected over those years and

24:35

he just starts driving around trying to

24:38

find. Any kind of leads

24:40

or any information that would be helping

24:42

this case. And each year on the

24:44

anniversary of Carla's. Death. He goes to

24:46

the Brunswick Ridgley a ball and he

24:49

sits in the parking lot looking for

24:51

suspicious people who also might be. They're

24:53

gonna. So.

24:56

Three years after Carla's murder, it's

24:58

February nineteenth, Nineteen Seventy Seven and

25:00

a twenty five year old vocational

25:02

nurse named June Word is found

25:04

murdered in South Fort Worth. She

25:06

has been sexually assaulted she's and

25:08

strangled with her own brought, and

25:10

she has been beaten over the

25:12

head with a sharp, heavy object.

25:14

Three years later, on July Ninth,

25:17

Nineteen Eighty, nineteen year old Denise

25:19

You is found strangled to death

25:21

beneath a creek bridge. And.

25:23

Then between Nineteen Seventy Seven and

25:25

Nineteen Eighty Six, ten different women

25:27

are murdered in Fort Worth, Texas

25:29

only share a waitress named Christie

25:31

Tower Sound in February of Nineteen

25:34

Eighty Three, a twenty three year

25:36

old aspiring model named Kathryn Davis

25:38

who was murdered and September of

25:40

Nineteen Eighty Four, a twenty nine

25:42

year olds middle school teacher named

25:44

Maryland Heart Men who Is Sound

25:46

On October nineteen sanctioned eighty Four

25:48

or twenty three year old college

25:50

graduate name's Tim Cindy Heller who

25:52

is found. In November of

25:54

Nightshade for a middle school teacher

25:56

named Katherine Jackson who is on

25:58

November twenty sixth. He needed

26:00

for a twenty one year old

26:03

radio programmer name's Angela you were

26:05

to a sound in December of

26:07

Nineteen Eighty Four. a twenty one

26:09

year old named Virgina Grover who

26:12

was found strangled and drown in

26:14

a creek and her boyfriend is

26:16

also found beaten to death in

26:18

his own bed. While and finally

26:20

a Jane Doe who was found

26:23

wrapped in a blanket on a

26:25

hillside on November Twenty fourth, Nineteen

26:27

Eighty. Secondly, got promising young women.

26:29

Jesus. devastating. Devastating. And the worst

26:31

part I think is so of course

26:34

the citizens of Fort Worth or in

26:36

a panic over the prospect of that

26:38

there's a serial killer in their city,

26:40

But the police assure the public that

26:42

these murders are not an act of

26:44

my car. You fucking kidding me? What's

26:46

yeah and which is also the kind

26:49

of thing. Or it's like a don't

26:51

understand the mentality where it's of course

26:53

they don't want to make, they don't

26:55

want to panic people Further, Raise A

26:57

panicking may be okay in this

26:59

situation. it seems like a panic

27:02

worthy ah situation. I mean panic

27:04

makes you more cautious. So what's

27:06

wrong with. Making.

27:08

People a little more aware there. you

27:10

know what's going on. It's like they're

27:12

trying to ride the line awareness and

27:14

panic, man. So. Basically.

27:16

It's a list of women who are. Young.

27:20

And they were all strangled sexually

27:22

assaulted. There's a lot of connections

27:24

to be made Like it's just

27:26

not. It's clearly a pattern. So.

27:29

The Fort Worth. Police Department puts together

27:31

task force trying to find what

27:33

they claim are multiple. Killers

27:36

bit. Behind. Closed doors.

27:38

They also believe. That looking for a serial

27:40

killer? They just don't. You can't tell

27:42

a city those a serial killer and

27:45

then just not prime them air. You

27:47

know it's almost like or okay. So

27:49

there are maybe eight or ten different

27:51

killers, then that's just as fucking terrifying.

27:53

As one serial killer, you know, And

27:56

unrealistic and like his place it's

27:58

a strange and. Then they put. That are

28:00

free self defense seminar to trainees.

28:03

Everyone's nerves. More than three thousand

28:05

people signed up for always old

28:07

are ya? Clearly that you know

28:10

this is gone from. A

28:12

horrifying murder of a high

28:14

school junior that goes unsolved.

28:17

To. Case after case

28:19

and multiple in. in Nineteen Eighty Four,

28:21

there's. Sides. I

28:23

believe it's just my it's style. So

28:25

the task force never solved even

28:28

one of the homicides on the

28:30

list. All of them go cold,

28:32

including Carla's and. As.

28:34

The years passed by, those

28:37

killings just seem system and

28:39

the killer or multiple killers

28:41

just go free and live

28:43

their lives freely. Meanwhile, Carlock.

28:46

As little brother Jim is getting

28:48

older, he goes to college at

28:50

Sam Houston State University. He studied

28:52

psychology with a focus on abnormal

28:54

psychology and understanding of the criminal

28:56

mind we are when he graduates

28:58

aimless back home to Fort Worth

29:00

because he's going to be a

29:02

police officer. say. Holy

29:05

shit Yeah! his plan is to

29:07

enter the force and then basically

29:09

move up. The ranks to become a

29:12

detectives who can take over sister case

29:14

on that. I have this dance in.

29:17

That as he's in school for that,

29:19

he goes into arms training and that's

29:21

where he learns he has a congenital

29:23

I condition so he cannot become a

29:26

police officer. And yes,

29:28

leave the Police Academy. So

29:30

he gets a job insecurity but he

29:32

has no less determined on his own

29:34

plan to. The hunt for this killer

29:37

is just not going. How's. The

29:39

inside advantage which.

29:42

You. Know there doesn't seem to be an

29:44

advantage at this point. Some in Nineteen

29:46

eighty seven late and passes away from

29:48

a heart attack. So gym takes his

29:51

father's notes from that metal box where

29:53

he was collecting them all those years

29:55

and he begins to come through them

29:57

again. And again trying to pick up where his

29:59

dad left. To see if

30:01

there's any old clues that have been

30:03

overlooked than inch. When he says teen

30:06

Carla's mother Doris. Passes. Away

30:08

she. Had Alzheimer's but before.

30:10

She dies. Jim promises her.

30:13

That. He will keep up the search

30:15

to find. Carla's. Killer! So

30:17

after his parents both died, Jim

30:19

buys the family home and he

30:21

moves in. Do it with his

30:23

wife thinking it would be best

30:25

that the somebody from the Walker

30:27

family stayed in that home. Quote:

30:29

in case somebody ever. Got a conscience

30:31

at three in the morning and showed up to

30:33

confess. I. Say a

30:36

very sad yeah Okay, now we're

30:38

going to skip to twenty eighteen

30:40

into and at this point fifty

30:42

six year old gym locker has

30:44

been searching for Sisters Killer for

30:46

going on forty four years now

30:48

has resolves never wavered. In addition

30:50

to constructing his own search, he

30:52

regularly checks in with the Fort

30:54

Worth Police Department cold case unit

30:56

for any updates they don't ever

30:58

have done. That he continues

31:00

asking continues passing. And

31:03

then in January twenty eighteen, Jim meets

31:05

detective. We're Wagner and it seems for

31:07

the first time in decades there's actually

31:09

some good news. Detective Button or Dies

31:11

in the Carla's. Case but

31:13

almost latest she Stewart's

31:15

she. Gets. Assigned to a new

31:18

active case and a D rails her

31:20

and she has to work on that.

31:22

It actually. Takes her a year to get

31:24

back to Carless Case. Which I think

31:26

it's probably a huge problem as you don't

31:28

have a dedicated. Cold Case Team.

31:31

Friend cold cases are not the

31:33

priority so that she gets back

31:35

to the case in January of

31:37

twenty nineteen and when she does,

31:39

she does completely into it and

31:41

she knows how hard cold cases

31:43

are to solve. Says she brings

31:46

in a reserve. Officer to help

31:48

her on this case. Name just Bennett.

31:50

So Wagner and Bennett pour over

31:52

the evidence they have exhaustive late

31:54

nights and finally then it comes

31:56

up with a list of eighty

31:59

past suspects and people would interests

32:01

that he thinks might be worth

32:03

taking a new look at. eighty.

32:05

Eighty or so. Many for you,

32:08

Which also is just like why couldn't somebody

32:11

have been going back over that the on

32:13

that interim the names or there's the information.

32:15

Was sitting. There are things now. So.

32:18

One. Of the people on that list

32:20

that then it comes up with is

32:22

Rodney Mccoy. Carla's then boyfriend yeah I'm

32:24

like why are they zeroing in on

32:26

him Bally's do that right right? they

32:28

usually do at first but a thing

32:31

I probably because he was also victim

32:33

in the crime read you know he

32:35

was traumatized by that's and actually soon

32:37

after he left Texas and went to

32:39

work on an oil rig in Alaska.

32:41

so all the plants that he had

32:43

obviously with Carla of are going to

32:45

college in the think they were going

32:47

to do everything. Cent of the site. Just

32:50

ended. So he had just recently

32:52

returned to Texas right before Wagner

32:54

and Bennett begin the new investigation.

32:57

So they're actually able to speak

32:59

with Rodney immediately and they immediately

33:01

roll him out as a suspect.

33:03

So these detectives know if they

33:06

really want to catch the killer.

33:08

They have one stood shouted at

33:10

which is trying to find the

33:12

Dna on Carla's dress. that's that

33:15

they still have and utilizing the

33:17

now current Dna technologies that is.

33:19

Obviously progressed so far since when

33:22

this case was new. Luckily, Carla's

33:24

rest has been tapped in good

33:26

condition. So when the crime lab

33:28

analyzes the trace amount of body

33:30

fluid that's left on it, they

33:32

are able. To extract it to

33:34

use it. But there are

33:36

two concerns. First, so much time

33:38

has passed that the Dna samples

33:40

could be degraded beyond recognition, and

33:43

the second is the cost. Testing

33:45

these samples could run the Fort

33:47

Worth Police Department as much as

33:49

twenty thousand. Dollars and that

33:51

money is usually reserved for

33:53

active cases, not cold cases

33:56

without news. Wagner in Bennett.

33:58

Basically. Hit. What they believe

34:01

will be an insurmountable roadblock on

34:03

this case. He can't. You

34:05

know who's gonna come up with that money?

34:07

Or what they don't know is that there's

34:09

an old acquaintance of Carla. Walkers from

34:11

high school and her name is

34:14

Diane Kirk and All and Dm

34:16

Kirkland all. Follow. Suit for

34:18

him. One day she is. Listening

34:20

to the podcast Gone Cold Texas

34:23

True Crime. And she

34:25

hears Carla's case being discussed. She

34:27

remembers Carla very well from high

34:29

school as being the kind hearted

34:31

popular girl that was nice to

34:34

everybody and d and decides she

34:36

wants to do. Something to help

34:38

get some justice. So that

34:40

year which is funny, nineteen she

34:43

goes to Crime con in Nashville.

34:46

And she turns out pamphlets.

34:49

About Carla's keys to. Every one

34:51

she can me which is so smart. And

34:54

so. Amazing that she's just

34:56

like well I'll just flyer that place

34:58

and now that I can do and

35:00

he knows she runs and to do

35:02

know who she had to fire to

35:04

puzzles powerful. Yellow,

35:07

my father, and of course.

35:10

Tall. Talks to her, You.

35:13

Know sees all the information about

35:15

it and she's doing his cell

35:17

on oxygen so she takes all

35:19

this information to the producers. So

35:21

he and the producers of his

35:23

Tv show which is called the

35:25

Dna of Murder with Paul Holes

35:27

I'm They donate eighteen thousand dollars

35:29

to go. Toward paying for that

35:31

dna testing. Wow, I'm so. When

35:34

they do that, They. Send it

35:36

to a California lab and

35:38

they find a small amount

35:40

of intact dna on Carla's

35:42

bra strap. which is very

35:44

interesting because the victim who

35:46

was murdered that the murder

35:48

after Carlos three years later

35:50

she was strangled with her

35:52

bra strap. If you remember

35:54

that. Pulls. Features

35:56

Carla Walkers unsolved Murder on

35:58

you see the sale and

36:00

he connects Fort Worth detectors

36:03

Wagner and Bennett with another

36:05

lab at such Houston that

36:07

use a special genome sequence

36:09

processing in their dna tests.

36:11

So with they're very last

36:13

shred of testable dna. Wagner

36:15

and Bennett try their luck

36:17

with this third lab and

36:19

it pays off. The.

36:21

Labs able to make a connection with that

36:24

Dna to a family with the last name

36:26

of my currently. So

36:28

Bennett goes back, scours to his

36:30

files searching for that name, and

36:32

he finds it's Glenn Mcerlean, the

36:34

truck driver who police spoke to

36:36

in Nineteen Seventy Four. the one

36:38

who claimed his ruger was stolen

36:41

from him. They

36:43

run a background check on girly. they

36:45

don't find much. He stole a car

36:47

when he was eighteen but other than

36:49

that has record is clean. He and

36:51

his wife had settled in West Fort

36:53

Worth and nineteen Sydney to. He's regarded

36:55

by his friends and neighbors as generally

36:57

a good guy. He doesn't

37:00

talk much, his wife is more

37:02

outgoing but he's a regular. it

37:04

as baptist church and he's a

37:06

handy who always willing to help

37:08

out when needed. So on September

37:11

tenth, twenty twenty. the two detectives

37:13

pay the now seventy seven year

37:15

old Glenn Beck early and his

37:17

wife a visit to talk about

37:20

carless case clones. Wife remembers the

37:22

case immediately. She calls it heartbreaking.

37:24

The detectives explain that they are.

37:26

We're interviewing people from the initial

37:28

investigation. And then Glenn's name

37:30

is on that list. They ask him

37:33

for a Dna sample to rule him

37:35

out as a suspect. He hesitates at

37:38

first and then he can sense and

37:40

after they collect that Dna swab Mcerlean

37:42

wife wishes the detectives well saying

37:44

quote I hope you find out

37:46

who killed Carla That girl needs to

37:49

be remembered as someone who mattered.

37:51

And. Close. So

37:54

we know where this is going to.

37:56

The plenty of her lead is a

37:58

match to that Dna on Tuesday. Timber.

38:00

Twenty Seconds. Twenty twenty. He's arrested

38:02

at his home for the Nineteen

38:04

Seventy Four murder of Carla Walker.

38:06

and when detectors Wagner and Bennett

38:08

sit him down for questioning, Smoke

38:10

early says he has no idea

38:13

who Carla Walker is. He denies

38:15

any wrongdoing at all, but the

38:17

more he is interrogated, the more

38:19

he starts opening at. He remembers

38:21

drinking at a bar near the

38:23

bowling alley the night of Carla's

38:25

murder. He remembers driving around. You

38:27

remember sitting in parking lots. but

38:29

right? When Senate and Wagner think

38:31

he's about to confess, he tells

38:34

some story about saving Carla from

38:36

a big guy who was quote

38:38

jerking her around it and then

38:40

he says after he saved her

38:43

ah they had. Consensual.

38:45

Sex. And. Co to play

38:47

I mean. Disgusting. So course the

38:50

detectors are not buying any part of

38:52

the story they press. I'm on those

38:54

other murders that took place around the

38:56

same time C N trying to see

38:58

if he. Knows. Anything about those.

39:00

The more they talk to him, the

39:02

more he starts getting details mixed up.

39:05

like she's blending memories of different. A

39:07

damn, they can't get a clear story

39:09

out of them. They think this is

39:11

the man that killed Carla, but Glenn

39:13

is not giving. Them Anything solid,

39:17

Until the police raid my girlies

39:19

house and signed. Almost.

39:21

Literally the Smoking Gun. the Twenty

39:23

Two Rigor handgun that Glenn Beck

39:25

really claimed had been stolen was

39:27

actually hidden in a secret compartment

39:29

above a door in his home.

39:33

So. He's arrested for murder. He

39:35

initially enters a not guilty plea

39:37

during one of the pre trial

39:39

hearings on June sixteenth. Twenty Twenty

39:41

One Gym Walker. Who

39:43

now has His vision has declined

39:45

so badly that he or she

39:47

has to use of their dog.

39:49

He goes to the trial and

39:51

he actually goes up and introduces

39:53

himself to a girl. his wife

39:55

and son. A son nervously apologizes

39:57

on his father, the house, the

39:59

gym ushers, the sun. This is

40:02

not his fault. He tells them

40:04

he has not responsible for what

40:06

his dad did and he says

40:08

quote your dad devastated your family

40:10

Just like. You devastated mine. Three

40:14

days into this trial. The. Evidence is

40:16

mounting against him and Glenn

40:18

Mulcaire changes his plea to

40:20

guilty he sentenced to life

40:22

in prison, and after the

40:25

sentencing, Gym and his sister

40:27

Cindy each make witness impact

40:29

statements in court, expressing their

40:31

grief over losing their sister

40:33

Carla and expressing their gratitude

40:35

for. Glen. Mcerlean conviction. They

40:37

add that they believe he's murdered

40:40

other women and they urged him

40:42

to confess his other crimes. Wow,

40:44

yeah, but we will never. Know

40:47

for sure if Glenmore Girly was a

40:49

fort worth serial. Killer because he dies

40:51

in prison on July sixteenth. Twenty.

40:54

Twenty Three. So.

40:56

Inspired by the conclusion of this

40:59

case, Detective Just Than It forms

41:01

a nonprofit organization called the Fort

41:03

Worth Police Department Cold Case Support

41:05

Group whose mission it is to

41:07

raise money for Dna testing. For

41:09

cold cases. Gym

41:11

Locker joins the board of the foundation,

41:13

and he pledges to donate a portion

41:15

of his profits from the sale of

41:17

the Walker. Family home. He

41:21

says this quote: "I don't need to

41:23

be living here anymore, thinking about my

41:25

mom crying and or bathroom or my

41:27

dad was his metal. He

41:29

was talking to Skip Hollingsworth when he was

41:31

talking about. That said, this is Alice interviewing

41:34

that skip Skip Hollingsworth Did He says

41:36

I don't need to be reminded of

41:38

Carla's murder every time I walk down

41:40

the hallway, It's time to let things.

41:42

Go. If

41:44

it weren't for gym wankers, decades of

41:47

tireless commitment and determination to finding his

41:49

sister's killer Carla Walkers murder case may

41:51

have never been solved. Now he's got

41:53

the closure that he's always wanted an

41:56

through his own foundation, he plans to

41:58

bring closure to other family. Going

42:00

through the same thing that his

42:02

family suffered through. And

42:05

that's the story of the murder of Carla

42:07

Walker. Bribe us

42:09

what the other Dna tested

42:12

Those. Ten. Other women's

42:14

rainy in. What

42:17

are police budgets for if not

42:19

paying for the cases they didn't

42:22

solve the first time around? Rates

42:24

nobody should have to sucking fundraise,

42:27

To. Have the money. When

42:30

they're buying themselves. Tanks vilifying

42:32

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42:35

bear beer. While

42:38

us and same yes crazy

42:40

wealth and the surprise puzzles

42:42

that was as a family

42:45

that hurdles yeah. I mean

42:47

it is. It's almost like a

42:49

whole subset of. Criminal.

42:51

Justice work which is like. Cold.

42:54

Case clean up a such as yeah

42:56

it's a thing of like. How much

42:58

we hate Statute Of Limitations? You

43:01

know that? The. Cases I go

43:03

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43:05

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43:07

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we're going to do up. One eighty

48:14

great and think is which direction rather than

48:16

if you had at the same kind of

48:18

store. I was about to tell we'd be

48:20

doing. A three sixty. So if we're just doing

48:22

a one way to if is a turnaround are

48:24

just turn around and walking in the opposite direction.

48:27

Listen, I to geometry twice cross

48:29

a more and january air so

48:31

am A. That's more than I'd

48:33

add a specific sir. Make a.

48:35

Return were walk him over

48:38

to London. Oh early eighteen

48:40

hundreds? What? Is it? My

48:42

birthday? With

48:44

during the industrial Revolution. To them

48:47

and a tell you about the London

48:49

Beer Flood of eighteen for it's. Really

48:51

easy on the i am or

48:53

and I. Guess. I am. Yes,

48:56

you are agree that you are so. Almost.

48:59

As soon as this accident happened the spear

49:01

flybe it was of course the butt of

49:03

jokes. but like other industrial disasters that. We've

49:05

covered on the show Like You Covered The Boss in

49:07

the Last, A slide and Episode One Forty Four. People.

49:10

Actually died and it's a pretty

49:12

tragic story. Yeah, so. The

49:15

main sources I used for the

49:17

story are several eighteen fourteen news

49:19

articles from The London Morning Chronicle

49:21

in the Morning Post, a blog

49:23

post by Beers historian Martin Cornell,

49:26

and an episode of the Engineering

49:28

Comedy podcast Everything's a Spring. And.

49:31

The rest of the sources are in the show. Notes:

49:33

So. Here we are: Karen It's a late

49:35

afternoon. On October seventeenth, eighteenth fourteen

49:38

your favorite year one of

49:40

the great were in London

49:42

St Giles Rookery. So.

49:44

The word rookery. Basically. means:

49:46

slums. Like slum neighborhood, St.

49:49

Giles is in what is

49:51

now a charming. Touristy area of

49:53

course cause London so fancy. Now it's

49:55

right near so How in the theater

49:57

district. But an eighteen fourteen?

49:59

the? Curry is London's most

50:01

notorious slum like this is.

50:04

Bad. Like a map. Good

50:06

area and it's home to some of London's. Poorest

50:08

residents, most of whom I'm sorry

50:11

to say or Irish immigrants well,

50:14

We're. Used to it Now it's been happening

50:16

for a while. So

50:18

St. Charles Rookery is also home to

50:20

the Horseshoe breweries which belongs to a

50:23

Bruins have been he called Nukes and

50:25

Company and they are one of several

50:27

breweries and London and has started using

50:30

steam engine. To produce large quantities of beer

50:32

which I guess is a big deal and

50:34

they are known as one of the city's

50:36

largest producers of porter. So.

50:38

In this new path toward economy as

50:40

beer beer maker is compete by installing

50:43

Giant that's as a marketing spectacles. he's

50:45

like a water. Others have a water

50:47

tower that would be on top of

50:49

the building a New York sir but

50:51

is full of fucking be a solo

50:53

Coors Light. says

50:56

everytime of or a builds one of these giant

50:58

bass they and by the public to come. See

51:00

it and the press to write about at some kind

51:02

of like her. A spectacle to get more

51:04

people to to Derby are the victors

51:06

are all trying to outdo and another

51:08

with who has the biggest beer. That

51:10

and the Horseshoe Brewery is in on

51:13

this arms race. The. Company has

51:15

several that's the size of small

51:17

houses. In. Their large

51:19

storehouse. The biggest that are more

51:21

than twenty feet tall and hold

51:24

about three hundred thousand gallons a.

51:26

Year now and it's needed Young

51:28

the exact yeah, it's a drink

51:30

and there are several of them

51:32

in the storehouse so as a

51:34

second lot of liquids for context

51:36

and olympic size swimming pool holds

51:38

about six hundred and sixty. Thousand

51:40

gallons of water. So

51:43

that probably more liquid than that in the.

51:45

Horseshoe Brewery Storehouse Wow.

51:48

I loan as comparison is then

51:50

then we get to picture an

51:52

element of size. swimming pool. I'm

51:54

still do like Guinness and as

51:56

as as such a son mind

51:58

experiment. Take. A dias. They're.

52:01

So. Sorry how stacks up against a

52:03

pub called the Tavistock Arms and the pub

52:05

the Backyard is bound on one side by.

52:07

The storehouse's brick wall the was

52:09

about twenty feet high, sixty feet

52:12

wide, and twenty two inches thick.

52:14

And on the afternoon october seventeenth,

52:16

A fourteen year old servant at The

52:19

Power that name Eleanor Cooper is standing

52:21

under. That wall scrubbing out

52:23

thoughts on. As. You

52:25

did back then? Yeah, this is. It's

52:27

pretty sad. Directly behind a different side

52:29

of the storehouse is a very narrow

52:32

sleep. It's more like an alley. It's

52:34

called New Street. And New Street is

52:36

full. Of dilapidated tenement buildings. When

52:38

a New Streets residents as a

52:40

young woman named Mary Banfield who

52:43

lives in a first floor apartment

52:45

that afternoon, she. And her two of

52:47

our children are sitting in their apartment. Having

52:50

the T was just like an early dinner

52:52

downstairs. in that same building space. that floor.

52:54

there's an Irish Week in progress. Tried to

52:56

play the Lakers for a two year old

52:59

boy and it's unclear how he died. but

53:01

it's a poor neighborhood in London and eighteen

53:03

fourteen, so probably some some kind of illness

53:05

among. The mourners is the boy's mother. Of

53:07

Forty or of what the name and

53:09

Savile. There's also a thirty over the

53:11

name area mosey and she's there with

53:14

first signed a three year old named

53:16

Thomas. There's also the name Elizabeth Butler

53:18

his in her sixties and when name

53:20

Elizabeth Smith his twenty seven. So they're

53:22

all of the wake of this poor

53:24

two year old boy. And.

53:27

Another house nearby on the street. There's a

53:29

three year old named Sarah Base. Not much

53:31

is known about what she's doing in the

53:33

afternoon of October seventeenth, but. Of History tells

53:35

us anything. She's. Working probably a

53:38

three year old. yeah, she's tending

53:40

bar and Ray towards Couric is

53:42

the clerk at the Horseshoe Brewery.

53:44

He's worked there for seventeen years

53:46

and he's the most senior person

53:48

who is on site at the

53:50

time. At four thirty in the

53:52

afternoon, workers tell George that one

53:54

of the beer that's is having

53:56

an issue. Here subscriptions

53:58

from an article. On London's. In chronicle

54:00

about this particular that. Quote.

54:03

The height is is that was twenty

54:05

two feet over, still didn't four inches

54:07

of the top and then contained three

54:09

thousand. Five hundred barrels of

54:11

beer. Which. Was ten

54:13

months to and close as you think of. The.

54:16

Little Barrels a day. Roland the bar and

54:18

like like a keg. If

54:20

you think as three thousand, five hundred

54:22

sixty acres, those barrels, all that liquid

54:24

isn't one of these hands. yeah, I can

54:26

not understate the amount of liquid it's

54:28

a There is a home run of.

54:30

Lot of beer held in this see

54:33

what is a to story. That.

54:36

The that's are made of wood and are secured.

54:38

By iron soup like giant barrels, but instead

54:41

of one hoop on each end there are

54:43

about twenty. of them going up along the

54:45

whole that when towards gets to the storehouse

54:47

he sees that one of the hoops on

54:49

the that has slipped off and fall into

54:51

the ground. The. Soup is

54:54

huge. It weighs about seven hundred pounds. Oh

54:56

my God. I now that like the gives

54:58

you an idea of how giant we're talking

55:00

to Georges. A particular concern is this actually

55:02

happened a few times a year and easily

55:04

the rest of the hoops or enough to

55:06

keep the that and tax until the broken

55:09

when can be repaired. Swords gets about writing

55:11

a letter to the bring companies partners to

55:13

Tom with any new soup like some of

55:15

the gulf not a cause for concern. But.

55:19

You. Now as beer for mans it

55:22

really says gases. And of

55:24

course, this puts pressure on the word.

55:27

So. Without that metal hoop. I think it's

55:29

just like that the metal who happened to

55:31

be in that exact place where it needed

55:33

to be. You know it's have

55:35

been a different hoops on the different day.

55:37

It might not have mattered. And

55:40

so at five thirty is George is standing

55:42

about three hours away from the broken that

55:45

these are to walk out the door to

55:47

mail that letter to get them back fixed.

55:49

He hears a huge explosion. And.

55:51

The span of a few seconds,

55:53

the bottom of the that has

55:55

burst open and hundreds of thousands

55:57

of gallons of beer spill out.

56:00

The. Force of the beer and the debris

56:02

from the that knocks out the entire

56:04

twenty five foot back wall of the

56:07

building. Us. It also knocks the

56:09

stopper out of another giant that causing

56:11

that beer to start smelling out of

56:13

the that. So we're not any more

56:15

beer here. That the

56:17

hunters your back sides of the storehouse.

56:19

It's a seen a complete destruction and

56:21

chaos. He's immediately after his waist in

56:23

beer and the whole side of the

56:25

building is just gone. And that's the

56:27

wall of course that fourteen year old

56:29

Eleanor Cooper have been standing on the

56:31

other side of in the backyard. Of the

56:33

pub washing pots, The

56:35

owner of that pub where Eleanor works

56:38

is inside the tap room at the

56:40

time seizures. The explosion of all his

56:42

had kids and but he's not injured

56:44

and a chat room immediately starts filling

56:46

with beer. He. Looks around the

56:48

yard where Eleanor have been scrubbing parts and all

56:50

he sees as a mountain of bricks. So.

56:53

Out on New Street it's total

56:56

chaos. The fifteen foot waves. Of.

56:58

Beer. Tears. Through

57:00

the alley, smashing into these dilapidated.

57:03

Homes you know that are already had a falling apart.

57:05

Knocking down several of them and filling

57:08

seller apartments. And first. Floors with beer.

57:11

People come under the furniture to keep from

57:13

being swept away. When american who is in

57:15

the area visiting at the time he got

57:17

caught in the sled and later. Wrote about

57:19

the experience. In The Knickerbocker Magazine

57:21

he writes a getting swept away

57:23

in a wave of hot dark

57:26

beer saying quote. All. At

57:28

once I found myself born. Onward with

57:30

a great velocity by a torrent which

57:32

burst upon me so suddenly as almost

57:35

to deprive me of bring. A

57:37

roar as of falling buildings at

57:39

a distance and suffocating films were

57:42

in my ears. And nostrils and

57:44

vote. For. Thinking in a wave

57:46

pool and just being second knocked. Off

57:48

your feet on the street. but. In

57:50

a wave pool you know, waves or com

57:53

the he added that is. This is like

57:55

the last thing you'd expect. Totally. He

57:57

I think about that as said. You're

58:00

just being carried away by. Away is

58:02

when you're like where do they waves

58:04

come from am on the streets of

58:07

London? what is happening and also thinking

58:09

about the fumes to begin. It's not

58:11

like the finalized version of a Br.

58:14

Whatever. it's that stinks us fermenting beer

58:16

yeah, that's been sitting in there for

58:18

months. Probably warm and plus.

58:21

Will. They do love to serve at warm. Over their heads

58:23

of lettuce. A lot of that. It won't

58:25

be like here here. Rare. Where are they

58:28

say chin Chin? Ups

58:31

or Oil. And

58:33

Seven houses a new street. Closest to the

58:35

brewery, there's no time to react. Beer

58:37

flights into the Irish wake. In the

58:39

basement apartment and all five people.

58:42

Including little three year old Thomas

58:44

drown. Upstairs my

58:46

first floor. Beer surges into the apartment

58:48

where four year old Hannah Bamfield and

58:50

her mother Mary and another child or

58:52

having tea marius pull out of a

58:55

window by the wave of Beer says

58:57

like gone and Hannah is knocked out

58:59

of her chair and against a partition

59:01

in the room. Back

59:03

at the brewery employees are at

59:05

first preoccupied with locating their workers

59:07

at they didn't realize speaks tend

59:10

to the catastrophe and the brewery

59:12

seller has been filled. So. They.

59:14

Don't actually realize that the sixteen

59:16

foot ways of beer has swept

59:18

down the street until the body

59:20

of and Seville the Forty are

59:22

grieving mother from the Irish Wake

59:24

floats in. Ah, can you imagine

59:26

the horror, right? You wouldn't be

59:28

anticipating these insane events like you

59:30

just know. There's an emergency here where

59:33

we're at me work. You wouldn't rely

59:35

six that that form backlash. It's

59:37

only than that the workers direct. Their attention: Outside

59:39

of the Prairie where residents of St.

59:41

Giles have begun their own search and

59:43

rescue operation Rescue. His first start by

59:46

trying to free Eleanor Cooper, the girl

59:48

who was watching the plot since they

59:50

know exactly where she has been sick

59:52

since three hours to clear all of

59:54

the brick wall that fell on her.

59:56

A By the time they reach her,

59:58

she's dead. The. Your body is

1:00:01

finally thing and eight thirty pm that

1:00:03

night still standing up such as no

1:00:05

time to react at all. young. A

1:00:08

nice sweet. Multiple buildings, Have been reduced

1:00:10

to piles of rubble, people wade through

1:00:12

needy beer and everyone tries to be

1:00:14

quiet so they can listen for people

1:00:16

who have been trapped under debris of

1:00:18

such as the eerie fucking silence going

1:00:20

on late that night. Restless find the

1:00:23

body of St. Or of Sarah Bates

1:00:25

and the wreckage of her house on

1:00:27

New Street and a neighboring house. They

1:00:29

also found the bodies of that this

1:00:31

for other mourners from the Irish Wake,

1:00:33

including three year old Thomas and his

1:00:35

mother Mary. Upstairs

1:00:37

rescuers find the body a four year

1:00:40

old Hannah Bmc old. The. Other

1:00:42

young child his name an exact dates

1:00:44

are not mentioned. his son on a

1:00:46

bed nearly suffocated by alive her mother

1:00:49

Mary is also found a life outside

1:00:51

on the history of both of them

1:00:53

are brought to Middlesex hostage all along

1:00:56

with several other injured people and everyone

1:00:58

is brought to the hospital survives. Wow,

1:01:00

yeah. So. It

1:01:02

likes of accounts of the beer fled say

1:01:05

that pupils in the neighborhood breasts and of

1:01:07

the streets filling pots and cops and balls

1:01:09

which as much with have much free. Beer

1:01:11

as they could scoop up. so they made

1:01:13

it into this like sector Call in our

1:01:15

day mean. Some people say

1:01:17

that others died because of alcohol poisoning.

1:01:19

From drinking so much beer and the kind of just

1:01:21

made it like a look at these in our poor

1:01:24

people in the the these Irish people he alerted for

1:01:26

Irish it one of us they are here. however there's

1:01:28

no. Mention of this in any of in

1:01:30

his ever accounts from the time and given

1:01:32

that most of the victims in a story

1:01:34

where Irish and the discriminatory. British press they

1:01:36

would have been very likely to

1:01:38

have reported that is that had

1:01:40

actually happened and so must the

1:01:42

story ends are sure that this

1:01:45

is what happened at all right?

1:01:47

Also it's sorry just just for

1:01:49

logic it's like any liquid that

1:01:51

washes down a street by the

1:01:53

time he gets to house. that's

1:01:55

not going to be delicious or

1:01:57

lal not free as like it

1:01:59

can bark and we random share

1:02:01

race is like it's not Willie

1:02:03

Wonka soccer factory right but it's

1:02:05

disgusting idea that when there's like

1:02:07

a devastation. And you know immediately people

1:02:09

reading search and rescue missions. It's not like

1:02:12

there is a sees drunks on the street

1:02:14

trying to get beer or you know it's

1:02:16

just split. Were so good at figuring

1:02:18

out how to hate each other later

1:02:20

as all, what are you like? You

1:02:22

love beer that year? Are you love

1:02:24

beer? until in and you don't care

1:02:26

about anything else late. And those people.

1:02:28

Do. And they're like totally Auckland.

1:02:32

Two. Days after the accident, the coroner holds

1:02:34

an inquest with a jury's which will

1:02:36

determine the cause of death with eight

1:02:38

people who died in the flood and

1:02:40

therefore the level of responsibility for the

1:02:42

brewing company which a fake. It

1:02:45

was an accident. However, you're still

1:02:47

responsible for that having happens in

1:02:49

my mind. riots. Regulations as up Keep

1:02:51

at it You gotta. Do if you're

1:02:53

gonna have to. A two story

1:02:55

is that of beer, you have

1:02:57

to keep all the rings on

1:02:59

it. Totally. I've always said that

1:03:01

swords crack. As is the habit of beer,

1:03:04

Place is one of the witnesses, as is

1:03:06

the. Owner of that Tavistock arms. Pub.

1:03:08

The other primary witnesses the landlord who

1:03:10

own the building where a hammer Thomas

1:03:12

and their mothers lived. So it's a

1:03:14

little bit legs one sided and there

1:03:16

are many living survivors who lost loved

1:03:18

ones and have been injured by the

1:03:21

flood of beer. and none of these.

1:03:23

People all of them were very poor

1:03:25

are asked to give statements since they

1:03:27

ask the people who probably would be

1:03:30

most likely to get sued in this

1:03:32

occasion by. And. So

1:03:34

the Coroner's jury rules that the

1:03:36

eight victims quote died by casualty.

1:03:39

Accidently and by misfortune,

1:03:42

So. It was basically an

1:03:44

act of God. And of

1:03:46

a thing or their follow his from the

1:03:48

guy I was just their fault for standing.

1:03:50

In the yeah Ray has area

1:03:52

live where he lives. This.

1:03:55

Really means that it was an accident, an

1:03:57

act of god and absorbs of beer maker

1:03:59

of any the responsibility for the deaths and

1:04:01

you're like the landlord to it's like maybe

1:04:03

a house in the fall down by the

1:04:05

easily Yeah, possibly I don't know. I'm not

1:04:07

a fucking builder. Yeah. Maybe you should

1:04:09

have. There should be laws to prevent

1:04:12

you from and letting your house get

1:04:14

to that hilarious should be able to.

1:04:16

I don't know. maybe it's either. Call

1:04:18

it this the Three little Pigs law

1:04:21

where in have a to have them

1:04:23

stand up against a Was X handling

1:04:25

rates exactly. Still, the

1:04:27

damage to the building and loss of

1:04:29

beer costs the beer company. About twenty

1:04:32

three thousand. Pounds which in

1:04:34

today's money. It's

1:04:36

one point five million pounds. I was gonna say

1:04:38

one point three away. Oh my God. So how

1:04:40

many dollars is. That I don't know, we're not

1:04:43

doing that at. Not

1:04:45

doing enough for today like we understand

1:04:47

and place of as us and like

1:04:49

currently I can't you dollars to pounds

1:04:51

what I mean in that country actively

1:04:53

doing an. Okay

1:04:56

so twenty three thousand pounds back

1:04:58

then is two million dollars today

1:05:00

that so much this accident coors

1:05:02

with your company. This.

1:05:05

Lost revenue without the ability to produce

1:05:07

or sell any beer for a would

1:05:09

be enough to permanently shudder Nukes and

1:05:12

Company. Instead of parliament those

1:05:14

to respond the taxes the company

1:05:16

has already paid on that last

1:05:18

beer. Giving. Them a bail

1:05:21

about seven thousand pounds which is about a

1:05:23

third of what they lost and so they're

1:05:25

able to continue operating as like, oh, help

1:05:27

the. Big. Guys they love

1:05:29

to help the big guy. this government

1:05:32

yeah moves you made an accident let's

1:05:34

accept made him in a way to

1:05:36

the accident. Brewers do change the way

1:05:39

to store their beer, opting for concrete

1:05:41

that's lined with metal and set of

1:05:43

was. A. The

1:05:46

Horseshoe Brewery is rebuilt and operates and

1:05:48

that same area until Nineteen Twenty One.

1:05:50

And it's actually the last brewery in

1:05:53

Central London when it finally closes. Think

1:05:55

people realize that having a brewery in

1:05:57

the middle of fucking neighborhoods is about.

1:06:00

The earth started moving them outside

1:06:02

the big city. Yes, the

1:06:04

brewery far outlast the St. Giles

1:06:06

Rookery, so that like Panama neighborhood,

1:06:08

the poor neighborhood which is broken

1:06:10

up and ultimately demolish and the

1:06:12

second half of eighteen hundreds. Right

1:06:15

when Jack The Ripper. Jack

1:06:17

The Ripper was happening. may

1:06:19

be maybe. The Nukes

1:06:21

dreary company stays in business, producing porter.

1:06:23

Until the early Nineteen sixties. Although

1:06:26

the. Outcome and the deaths are

1:06:28

clearly awful. Historians agree that A could

1:06:30

have been much worse because of what

1:06:32

happened around five o'clock that thirty had

1:06:35

the flood happened later in the evening

1:06:37

when a man an older children would

1:06:39

have been home from work and school.

1:06:42

Far more people would have died a certain

1:06:44

people in those pods as well after work.

1:06:47

And awake in the cellar would have

1:06:49

been more attended because. People were he

1:06:51

knows I can all day saying so. They were

1:06:53

going to come after work so like the death

1:06:56

toll could have been so much higher is so

1:06:58

obviously a tragedy. And. That is the

1:07:00

story at the London Beer Flood of. Eighteen

1:07:02

Fourteen which killed Eight

1:07:05

people. Wow. Yeah.

1:07:07

That is a really interesting point of like.

1:07:10

Back then they were just kind of like

1:07:12

yeah, just put that gigantic business wherever in

1:07:14

a a in a residential community and let's

1:07:16

see what happens. Yeah there's no there's no

1:07:19

like standards and practices but let's see how

1:07:21

did we can get this thing. That's. Gonna

1:07:23

hold liquid that ferments? Let's.

1:07:25

Do it. Yeah, let's see. It's almost like

1:07:27

a contest with ourselves. Yes, Things

1:07:31

that cause huge waves and residential

1:07:33

areas don't. We. Don't have

1:07:35

them as much anymore. And promo for

1:07:37

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