Stephanie spoke with advocate Shaun Dougherty earlier this season about masculinity and faith and moral leadership, but their full conversation was much deeper. In this bonus episode, Shaun shares more about how and why advocacy for child sexual abuse victims has become his life’s work, and why focusing our anger at the institutions that propagate harm may be more effective than pinpointing it on the individuals who do harm.

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