0:02

Ninety three was like my jam like,

0:05

so I'd like I fully like, I'm like, oh ninety

0:08

three, I could have been at this party, like literally, I was living

0:10

in New York. I could have been there. I probably was there.

0:12

I bet I snog bis I

0:16

am in her book.

0:18

Maybe you are exite.

0:22

Hello, I'm mini driver. I've

0:24

always loved Preust's questionnaire. It

0:27

was originally in nineteenth century

0:29

parlor game where players would ask

0:31

each other thirty five questions aimed at

0:34

revealing the other player's true nature.

0:36

In asking different people the same set of

0:39

questions, you can make observations

0:41

about which truths appear to be universal.

0:43

And it made me wonder, what if these questions

0:46

were just the jumping off point, what greater

0:48

depths would be revealed if I asked

0:50

these questions as conversation starters.

0:53

So I adapted Prus's questionnaire and

0:55

I wrote my own seven questions that I personally

0:57

think are pertinent to a person's story. They

0:59

are when and where were you happiest?

1:02

What is the quality you like least about yourself?

1:05

What relationship, real or fictionalized,

1:07

defines love for you? What question

1:09

would you most like answered? What

1:11

person, place, or experience has shaped

1:14

you the most, what would be your last meal?

1:16

And can you tell me something in your life

1:18

that's grown out of a personal disaster? And

1:22

I've gathered a group of really

1:24

remarkable people, ones that I

1:26

am honored and humbled to have had the

1:28

chance to engage with. You may not hear

1:30

their answers to all seven of these

1:33

questions. We've whittled it down to

1:35

which questions felt closest to their

1:37

experience, or the most surprising,

1:39

or created the most fertile

1:42

ground to connect. My

1:45

guest today is the multiple awards

1:47

winning writer Jennifer Egan. I

1:50

try not to fanger on this podcast.

1:52

It is hard, but usually I can

1:54

hustle my stammering enthusiast into another room

1:57

and present a slightly more implacable version

1:59

of myself. I didn't really

2:01

manage to do that with Jennifer because

2:04

her work, her words,

2:06

and characters, live so presently

2:09

in my own life. Her

2:11

bullet Surprise winning novel A Visit

2:13

from the Goon Squad lives permanently on

2:15

my nightstand, and I constantly reference it when

2:17

I can't sleep, when I'm stuck with something

2:20

i'm writing, or when I'm turning

2:22

over the idea of a character I'm going to play. Jennifer,

2:25

like a lot of the characters she writes, has

2:28

this kind of briny brilliance.

2:30

Each answer she gave to a question I asked

2:33

hinted at a far bigger mechanism at play,

2:35

and I literally could have asked

2:37

her a million questions more. She

2:40

has a brain you want to spend time in, and

2:42

a way of speaking and writing that cuts

2:44

precisely to what is most revealing and to me, most

2:46

interesting. Her books are fantastic.

2:49

I encourage you to read all of them,

2:55

by the way I just said it, and

2:57

I now think that that is exactly what

2:59

I'm going to That's not my new fantasy.

3:02

I was actually in your book.

3:04

I bet we passed each other.

3:06

We passed each other on Avenue Age countless

3:08

times.

3:09

I'm sure I'm.

3:11

Going to get in trouble if I keep asking you questions

3:13

like can I come over? Do you think

3:16

I was in your book? It sounds like I

3:18

was, but the answer is yes, come

3:20

every time. We know that excellent,

3:22

I will. I'm going to get on and ask you these

3:24

questions because I also want to know what you think

3:27

about these. So

3:32

my first question to you is where and when

3:35

were you happiest.

3:37

I mean, it's always hard, it always feel a little artificial

3:39

to pick one moment, and so I

3:41

usually go with the first one that comes to mind,

3:43

because I guess I'm all about trusting instants

3:46

in first drafts. So I'm going

3:48

to say when I went with my husband

3:50

and kids to Galway in Ireland

3:53

in the summer of twenty eleven, and

3:55

we were staying in a little bed and breakfast,

3:58

and we were actually all in one tiny

4:00

room. It was much tinier than we had expected.

4:03

Our beds were almost jammed together, and

4:06

our kids were eight and ten, and

4:09

there was just something about that intimacy

4:11

and that closeness, that feeling of

4:13

our bodies just being so

4:16

close together that it was like we were one being

4:19

that I absolutely loved.

4:22

And maybe because they were eight and ten, I

4:25

thought that would never change, of course,

4:27

but you know, they're twenty two and twenty now

4:29

would be pretty weird if we were still sharing

4:31

rooms that size, et cetera. And

4:33

so I think there was just this sense of the preciousness

4:36

of that proximity, of

4:38

that sense.

4:39

Of I was going to say, what is it

4:41

about proximity that is the engenders

4:43

that feeling of deep, abiding

4:47

peace and happiness.

4:49

Is it because you think you had a subconscious idea

4:51

that there was a timestamp on it.

4:53

I think it probably was just that I never had that

4:55

in my nuclear family. My mother and father,

4:57

I have no memory of them together. They divorced

5:00

when I was two. I grew up apart

5:02

from my father, and there were

5:04

more children.

5:05

On both sides.

5:06

But that sense of being physically

5:09

linked to a small unit and

5:11

deeply bound to that unit and having

5:14

them all around me, I don't think I had

5:16

actually ever experienced it, So

5:19

it was just so moving. And I also just

5:21

think the fact that we were in Ireland was

5:23

important too, because I had never

5:25

been there, but my father was proudly

5:27

Irish American. And on

5:29

that same trip, we went to the town where

5:32

some of my ancestors had come from, and

5:35

we went to a graveyard where it seemed

5:37

like every other name was Egan spelled

5:39

the same way. And so the sense

5:41

of connection to my own past,

5:45

coupled with this tremendous

5:47

physical proximity to my immediate

5:50

nuclear family, was just intoxicating

5:52

and so beautiful.

5:53

I love that. I love that you going

5:56

to a place where you're seeking to reconnect

5:58

and finding that, but also

6:01

just being packed into a little tiny

6:03

room like a wolf pack. I

6:06

think that's really beautiful and I really like

6:08

that. I must say that pack feeling, not

6:11

having had physical proximity

6:13

much as a kid either, that's the feeling

6:15

that I love with my dog,

6:18

my boyfriend and my son.

6:19

There's something about the bodies together

6:22

that is so immediate.

6:24

I wonder if that is like reptilian brain, which

6:26

is like, when we are all together,

6:29

we're safe. The sabertooth tiger can't

6:31

get us. The rock is rolled in front of the cave, nobody's

6:34

out, we're here. Everybody smells

6:36

right, and it's sort of hermetically.

6:38

Sealed exactly, and you're not doing

6:41

that tiny calculation that I think we

6:43

all do all the time of where is so

6:45

and so and where is so and so? Well, I

6:47

didn't have to ask that question because I could

6:49

reach out and physically touch every person

6:52

in the room. And I remember there was one point where we were

6:54

all lying in bed. Each of us had our own book,

6:56

and we were lying there in silence in this tiny

6:59

little room and it was just it was heaven God.

7:01

I love that.

7:03

I just love the little, tiny, sort

7:06

of maybe cultural stereotype about

7:08

Ireland.

7:09

Like this, this teeny

7:12

weeny.

7:13

Beds just all packed in together,

7:15

the baby sardines.

7:19

Yeah, it's true, and it was just a

7:21

wonderful little interlude.

7:22

It really was how lovely. What

7:29

quality do you like least about yourself?

7:33

That's a tough one because there's so many choices.

7:35

I think that the quality I like least

7:38

is my tendency to compare myself

7:40

to others. Because

7:43

it's one of these exercises that feels

7:46

useful. It's actually self

7:48

denigration disguised as

7:50

information gathering.

7:52

That's very good. I'm writing that down,

7:54

so.

7:55

It's like, what are other people doing? But

7:57

that's not really what I'm asking. What I'm

8:00

looking for is a way to undermine

8:02

what I am doing and have done.

8:05

So, just a one tangible example,

8:07

every time I have a book come out, I

8:10

pick some other book that's doing

8:12

better, because there always.

8:14

Is a book that's doing better, usually many.

8:16

And I basically deem my

8:19

effort a failure based on that

8:21

success. And it's so arbitrary

8:24

that later I sometimes you can't even remember

8:26

what book I was using as my

8:29

instrument of infliction.

8:31

You flatch a book.

8:33

Exactly long ago.

8:35

I would look at Amazon reviews, for example,

8:38

a terrible mistake, and I

8:40

always would obsess over

8:42

the mean ones, and of course a lot

8:45

of them are mean because I'm not the audience for

8:47

those reviews. They're writing for each other, and

8:49

as well they should, that's what it's for.

8:52

And I'm seeing a therapist then, and

8:54

he said, I think you should

8:57

call this what it is.

8:58

When you go on Amazon and you read those, you

9:00

are going to read bad reviews.

9:02

That's why you're going. So you have to

9:04

ask yourself before you do that, why am I doing

9:06

that?

9:07

And I have to tell you I have not looked

9:09

at an Amazon review. It's got

9:11

to have been fifteen years. So I'm

9:14

trying to work on this quality of mine,

9:16

but it's difficult to eradicate it is.

9:18

It's the worst, It's the absolute worst.

9:21

I read a review once of something I did, and I just

9:23

said, mini driver dash

9:25

tripe explanation point,

9:29

which has now become how can

9:32

you respond? It's now become like whenever anything

9:34

goes wrong, I do sort of say, rather sadly to myself,

9:36

mini driver tripe, like

9:39

from dropping a bottle of ketchup to larger

9:42

and more important things. But I think

9:44

sticking away from them is a very good idea.

9:47

Let me ask you this, When you're comparing

9:50

yourself, do you honestly

9:52

tune out the accolades

9:54

and the reviews and all the other stuff,

9:57

like you've won a pulitzerprise.

9:59

I think in that negative state of

10:01

mind, whose goal is self

10:04

undermining, any accolades

10:06

feel like good luck and

10:09

things that I can't match, in other words,

10:12

expectations I could no longer fulfill.

10:15

So they actually add to

10:17

the sense of in this state of

10:19

mind, all the good things from the

10:21

past just feel like more

10:24

evidence that the present is falling

10:26

short, like I can't match that.

10:28

I so feel that.

10:30

Yes, So that's the hard party.

10:33

Nothing helps in that mindset because

10:36

the mindset is leading the way.

10:37

That's another part of the trick.

10:39

It feels like, well, I'm just looking at hard evidence

10:41

that I'm drawing my conclusions. Not at all,

10:43

I am looking in a slanted way

10:46

at my achievements in

10:48

life and deeming them all

10:51

insufficient, because that was

10:53

always the conclusion I was going to come to, because

10:55

the conclusion led the discovery.

10:58

God, that's some really clever, awful

11:01

self battery right there, and I recognize

11:03

it fully, really

11:05

interesting I'm so glad you've said that out loud. I'm

11:08

going to share that with everybody and then listen

11:10

to it back when I feel like doing the same thing,

11:12

or if anybody does.

11:13

I don't know what the solution is though. For

11:16

me, I just I think of it as weather. It's

11:18

like, okay, it's that kind of day. Okay,

11:21

So all of my thinking is going to be like that,

11:23

and I'm going to try to just think about other

11:25

things if I can, and then I wait for it to

11:28

pass.

11:28

I think looking at it like whether, yes, a

11:31

friend of mine was blue

11:33

and we were talking about that. Sometimes

11:36

you just have to stay the course. You just have to put

11:38

your raincoat on and go below

11:40

deck for a minute. That's it. I'm

11:43

wait. But I think naming

11:45

it is really good too. I'm just going

11:48

sometimes I do this thing. It looks like this.

11:51

It gets rid of all of this other thinking because

11:53

I think it's so recognizable. I think

11:55

we all do it.

11:57

Yeah. I think if I were someone who meditated,

11:59

that would help, but at this point I'm

12:01

not sure that's ever going to be me. But for

12:04

me, reading is a huge help because it

12:06

somehow occupies more parts

12:08

of my brain than most other activities.

12:10

So if I can really engage with that, I can

12:12

let go of some of that thinking and noticing.

12:15

Okay, this is just a day where every thought

12:18

ends on this negative node.

12:20

Sometimes it's not even.

12:20

Comparison, it's just failure, a feeling

12:23

like I could have done this better, I could have done

12:25

that better, and then I just wait

12:27

for that to pass.

12:28

Do you prescribe that to your kids? Have you

12:30

said that to them? Just wait it out,

12:33

just hold on and see where

12:35

you are at tomorrow.

12:38

Luckily, they're not this as much this way

12:40

as I am, which is really good,

12:43

or at least not so far good for them.

12:45

But I do try to remind them in

12:47

moments where I feel like their anxiety

12:50

is really what's dictating their perceptions,

12:54

I'll try to point to the fact

12:56

that in this anxious state,

12:58

the anxiety looks for something to

13:01

kind of dig into, and so just

13:04

know that because you feel like this thing

13:06

is going terribly wrong, but in fact, all

13:08

that's really going wrong is that you're terribly anxious

13:11

and you've found a thing to express that.

13:14

Yeah, to hang it on. God, that really is

13:16

so exactly what I've been trying to put it into

13:18

words. It's good. It's like descaling your brain, actually

13:20

hearing somebody else say things that you haven't been able

13:22

to put into words.

13:24

I like descaling the brain. That's cool.

13:27

I need a good descaling.

13:29

Seriously in

13:44

your life. Can you tell me about something

13:46

that has grown out of a personal

13:49

disaster?

13:51

I can so.

13:52

I mentioned my father earlier, the Irish American

13:55

guy whom I loved so much, but I really

13:57

didn't know him well because my mother and

13:59

stepfather moved moved with me and

14:01

my little brother who was their son, to San

14:03

Francisco when I was seven, and my

14:05

father remained in Chicago. He had three

14:07

more kids. They're much younger than I am. I knew

14:10

them when they were little, but then for many

14:12

reasons, I really didn't know

14:14

them at all after a certain point, and I really

14:16

had almost no contact with my father's

14:19

family. I did see him now and then,

14:21

but there was a bit of a chasm there.

14:24

And my father, when he.

14:25

Was actually younger than I am, he had just turned

14:28

sixty, he was hit by a truck

14:30

while he was bicycling and he was killed.

14:33

And so I

14:35

was reunited with my now adult

14:37

siblings, and it was

14:40

obviously just so unexpected

14:42

such a catastrophe.

14:43

I mean, he was going to be.

14:44

Running in a marathon the next week. He was

14:46

in the peak of health, and

14:49

it was a disastrous loss. And for

14:51

me, it really meant that I would never really

14:53

know my father. But I

14:56

did reconnect with my siblings and

14:58

we have been close ever since. Really,

15:00

and that was nineteen ninety six, So

15:03

wow, it's meant that our kids

15:05

know each other. They are a big part of my life.

15:08

And in fact, that brother that I

15:10

moved to San Francisco with, the son of my mother and

15:12

stepfather, ended up passing away very

15:14

early in his life. So these

15:17

are my siblings and I'm so grateful

15:19

to have them, and I'm not sure

15:21

that reunion would have happened

15:24

without this absolute catastrophe

15:27

of my father losing his life. I mean,

15:29

I wish you were here. I wish he'd gotten

15:31

to do all the things he missed.

15:33

I feel so sad for him when I think that

15:36

he never saw his youngest child graduate from

15:38

college, he never met a grandchild.

15:40

I mean, it's bad, but you

15:42

know, there are some good things at least

15:44

we've been able to enjoy in the wake of that.

15:47

God. Yeah, I

15:49

have a strange siblings who, Yeah,

15:51

not even the death of my father was enough

15:54

to bring us all back together. But I do wonder

15:56

about them an awful lot. Maybe

15:58

one day. I like the idea that there's I

16:01

think everything is possible. I really

16:03

do. That's my most hopeful thought.

16:05

As long as we're all here, As long as as long as.

16:07

We're all here, everything is possible. Truly,

16:10

sometimes I find that to be a really edifying thought,

16:13

like when things are particularly dark, so

16:15

everything is possible. Yes, everything awful

16:17

that you're currently thinking about, but also the

16:20

turnaround and the slightness of

16:22

a solution to a gigantic

16:25

problem. It's never commensurate. Again,

16:27

I don't remember whoever said that to me when I was younger,

16:29

but it was true. The solution to a problem

16:31

is never commensurate with the size of the

16:33

feeling around the problem. Hm.

16:36

Yes, it's true.

16:37

I feel so sad about those

16:40

kinds of chasms and divisions,

16:43

given just how short life is and how

16:46

hard it is. It feels so unnecessary,

16:49

like it's sort of bad for everyone.

16:51

But I also know that.

16:53

Sometimes people just cannot overcome

16:56

these bad feelings.

16:58

I don't know.

16:58

My disposition is always to try to

17:01

connect with everyone. That's

17:03

always my thought like, let's see if we can

17:05

work it out. But I know that's

17:07

sometimes simplistic and it doesn't always

17:09

solve things. But I'm just a believer

17:12

in trying to, I don't know, try to find

17:14

as much joy together as

17:16

we can while we're here. I

17:18

can't think of any more

17:21

useful philosophy than that.

17:23

In a way, like here we are, who knows

17:25

exactly, Let's try and have fun and

17:28

make each other happy if.

17:29

We can, exactly, Let's

17:31

do as much as we can. What

17:38

relationship, real or fictionalized,

17:40

defines love for you?

17:42

So funny. I'm one of these people who's not great

17:44

at talking.

17:45

About things like love because it always seems

17:47

corny. But I guess this is a very

17:50

American of this moment answer.

17:52

But I can't help but think of Rosalind and

17:54

Jimmy Carter because

17:57

super insanely long marriage

18:00

which both real

18:03

doers and believers, you

18:05

know, this long, rich, varied

18:08

experience in which they both

18:11

remained so relevant kind

18:13

of culturally and to each other. I

18:15

guess there's just an a liveness about

18:17

that in every conceivable way

18:19

that is really exciting

18:22

and inspiring to me.

18:23

You know, I hope to live a really long life.

18:25

I hope my husband will live a really long life,

18:27

and I hope we can be

18:29

that way.

18:30

But they're a role model there, really are.

18:32

I mean, it's just extraordinary, and I love

18:34

she at a time when men

18:37

didn't necessarily, certainly not presidents,

18:40

privilege and prioritize their wives'

18:42

views so much, she really had

18:44

such a strong voice. And I

18:46

also love the way, even though he was a one term

18:48

president and sort of ended in humiliation

18:51

in a certain way, they just

18:53

use that as a starting point to do

18:56

the kind of work they wanted to do, and they did

18:58

that individually and together forever,

19:00

and I just what more can

19:02

you really ask for from a love?

19:04

I'm not sure, No, I agree.

19:06

I agree that there was such dynamic

19:09

humility in their relationship

19:11

that was pretty astonishing,

19:14

because you're right where it ended was

19:16

just the beginning of what their life's work was

19:18

actually going to be. In actual fact, his

19:21

presidentship was the addendum to what

19:23

was this unbelievably full, amazing

19:26

life. I mean, remember when they put

19:28

the solar panels up, Remember when there was the

19:31

whole kind of ecoization

19:33

of the White House, and how that was just sort of torn

19:36

down at the end of his presidency, but they

19:38

carried it all on. I think you're

19:40

right. I think that's a really beautiful testament

19:42

to love. I love that you

19:44

think love is corny.

19:45

That's so funny, well

19:48

talking about it, I mean as a subject,

19:50

it's just not something I would ever say.

19:52

I'm writing about love.

19:54

I can't wait because I bet you do. Oh

19:56

my god, I really want you to write about love. Now,

19:59

come on, it would be He's so good. I'll

20:01

be in it. I'll be in your awful,

20:03

corny book about love. I'll be a minor

20:05

character.

20:08

Please come and inspire me Mannie, because

20:10

right now I got nothing.

20:13

Oh I got I love. I just keep trying

20:15

to insert myself in your books. It's really

20:17

weird and great. I think that's cool.

20:19

Everybody writes about love. I like that you don't

20:21

want to write about it. The thing is, I

20:24

keep thinking that you have written about love, like

20:26

when I think about Goon Squad, like it's

20:29

full of love. Yeah, love is

20:31

there, right, But you're not writing about love and

20:33

people being in love as it were.

20:36

Yeah for me, I mean, of course, anything

20:38

that anyone thinks my work is about

20:40

is true. You know, it's in the hands of the

20:43

reader. But in my mind,

20:46

love is something that happens

20:48

while you're writing about other things.

20:50

Right.

20:52

I don't know why, but that's how I think of

20:54

it. It can't be a subject unto itself.

20:56

It almost feels like it's not interesting enough.

20:59

Huh, has to.

21:00

Be there alongside

21:02

something more complicated, more

21:05

challenging.

21:06

Yeah. I mean maybe it's because love isn't a

21:09

thing. It's an amalgam of all

21:11

these different things, which I only realized that

21:14

quite recently.

21:15

You know, my husband and I had in exchange when

21:17

our older son was really little, and I said,

21:20

he said, I love you, And

21:22

I said to my husband, but I don't think he knows

21:24

what it means.

21:26

And my husband said, do you.

21:30

Oh my god, your husband said that to you. That's

21:33

hysterical. Your husband's funny.

21:35

Who is so laugh about it. He's very funny.

21:38

It's really funny.

21:39

So now they'll say, I love you, but I don't know what

21:41

it means.

21:42

Which is true?

21:57

What person, place, or experience

22:00

most altered your life.

22:02

I think it would be New York City actually,

22:04

because I'm from the Midwest.

22:07

I was born in Chicago, and I grew up in San Francisco.

22:09

I knew I wanted to move to New York before I'd

22:12

ever been to New York. And I've lived here

22:14

really my whole adult life, and

22:16

it's just the perfect place

22:18

for me.

22:19

I mean, I'm very curious. I'm nosy

22:21

I would go that far.

22:22

I love street life, I like watching

22:25

people. I like to be invisible

22:27

and just watch the rest of

22:29

the world. It's just full of life.

22:32

It's full of so many industries, and

22:35

ninety percent of them or more couldn't

22:37

care less about the publishing industry, or

22:39

rarely even know that it exists. And

22:42

I love that that there's so much happening,

22:45

and there's interesting stuff everywhere

22:48

I look and listen. And I've

22:50

also gotten very involved in New York history,

22:53

and I think some of that was a result of nine

22:55

to eleven because I lived here and

22:57

during that time and actually heard one of the planes

23:00

hit.

23:00

Oh my God.

23:01

And I think that led me and many others

23:04

to think about what it was like to live in New York during

23:06

World War Two, and that led me down a massive

23:09

research rabbit hole, and

23:11

I ended up writing Manhattan Beach. Now

23:13

I'm interested in nineteenth century New

23:15

York, so I think it's fair to say

23:17

that New York has kind of become a muse

23:19

for me.

23:20

It's pretty extraordinary to have known that you're going to

23:22

move to a place like do you think

23:24

that that is a prescient

23:26

knowledge that if we tune in hard enough

23:29

we can find these guide posts,

23:31

that they're actually there, these signposts, and

23:34

we just maybe don't listen to them.

23:35

I don't know.

23:36

There must be some that I didn't listen to,

23:39

or that I did listen.

23:40

To and were wrong.

23:41

But there's just something about New

23:43

York. It feels inexhaustible.

23:46

And I'm a very place driven

23:49

person. Like even in my work, I really

23:51

start with a time and a place, not people

23:54

or any kind of plot.

23:57

So physical circumstances

24:00

mean an enormous amount to me.

24:02

And somehow New York with

24:04

its depth of history,

24:07

which we have so much less of here

24:09

in the United States than, for example, you

24:11

do in Britain. But in New York there

24:14

is actually enough history on this

24:16

place that you can feel

24:18

it in the buildings, in the streets,

24:21

there are cobblestones sort of coming

24:24

up here and there, and I like that

24:26

sense of embedded history

24:28

in this place. I mean, by the way, what I just said

24:30

ignores the fact that there

24:32

is a long history of Native Americans

24:35

in what became the United States, whose

24:38

presence we eradicated

24:40

by essentially destroying them. So

24:42

obviously what I'm talking about is the history

24:44

of Western Europeans here and not

24:47

the original inhabitants of America.

24:50

But New York holds a lot for me.

24:52

It holds a lot of its own history,

24:54

and then also my personal history because it's

24:56

a relatively small place where I've now

24:58

lived since the late eighties, and I

25:01

feel my own memories

25:04

embedded in all

25:06

of its different neighborhoods, and then I

25:08

also feel this kind of collective memory

25:10

of so much life that's happened here, really

25:13

for hundreds of years.

25:14

Now. Ah, Jennifer, thank you

25:16

so much for talking to me. Thank you

25:18

so much. I mean, I could honestly ask you a

25:21

goodjillion more questions, and I will when

25:23

I'm next stalking you in Brooklyn.

25:25

I'm going to look for you in my neighborhood and

25:28

we'll have some tea and we'll feel be.

25:29

Having coffee, and Jennifer,

25:32

Hi, it'll be like the end of

25:34

Saltburn. If you haven't seen that, I

25:37

can't believe that you get your coffee here.

25:40

Well, then you're going to come over and you're going to enter

25:42

into my book.

25:44

Hoah, got a plan. So

25:46

excited. Thank you really, thank

25:48

you so much.

25:49

It was such a pleasure.

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