Jen Vertanen is a loneliness expert, mentor, speaker, and writer encouraging people to wade through their emotional baggage and stop being so damn lonely.

On this episode Liz and Jen share a lot of laughs in their conversation and joke about the experiences of getting older. But they also dive into the need to have hard conversations and what it's like to realize that our parents aren't always who we need them to be.

Show notes can be found at: http://midlifeschmidlife.com/episode31/

And be sure to head over to Jen's Podcast, Going There and subscribe: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/going-there-with-jen-vertanen/id1286189040