0:00

I mistee. Oh

0:08

yeah, Dylan has suffered many

0:10

defeats this season. The season has

0:12

not gone as planned for

0:15

my beloved co host and friend of almost

0:17

is it Has it been twenty years yet, Dylan? Are we coming up

0:19

on twenty years of friendship?

0:21

Not quite there? But I love how you're setting this up

0:23

like I'm about to just fall in my face.

0:25

No, I'm just saying all of it was worth

0:27

it for tonight because

0:29

you and I were both out of it in yacht

0:31

Club. But we have another dicea league we've played

0:33

in where we've talked about it. You and I had

0:35

a head to head matchup. You could

0:37

have afforded a loss. I needed

0:40

a win to be able to get into playoffs. It's

0:42

looking slim to none that that's gonna happen.

0:44

And all of it is because I

0:46

needed immasingly thirty

0:48

points between DJ Moore, who bawled

0:51

out and Justin freaking

0:53

Fields fumbles away

0:56

my playoff championship. I

0:59

was gonna win it. I was gonna win at all for sure. I was definitely

1:01

gonna wait a hired Hold championship.

1:03

I need you to I need you to do this for me. I need you to think

1:05

back to early on this season. How many of our

1:08

thousands and thousands of viewers listen

1:11

to your advice to stick with it

1:13

with Fields, and they may have needed a win

1:15

tonight to get into the playoffs. Like you, you

1:18

guys are all sitting in this muck of

1:20

Ichy Fields doodo all

1:22

over you, just all over. It smells,

1:25

it's stinky, and you guys are just sitting

1:27

in it. And you guys doubled.

1:29

You know, well, that's all.

1:30

Right, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lump everyone

1:32

else into this. You would double down.

1:34

When you have that. That's parenting. That's

1:37

how you grow with something that needs to be developed.

1:39

You're gonna be You're gonna be covered in some crap. We've

1:41

already talked about those stories. I'm learning

1:43

that each and every day is a new dad. But

1:45

dude, I thought, here's here's the thing. I

1:48

thought, hopping on the show tonight, I was gonna

1:50

concede and be like Dylan, I'm done. I'm

1:52

breaking up with you. I'm breaking up with Justin

1:55

Fields. It's over. And then he throws

1:57

a dined DJ Moore to set him up for the win,

2:00

and just further confuses me. I will say this

2:02

mine and Justin Field's relationship, it's

2:04

hanging by a thread. Okay, it's still

2:07

there.

2:07

He's still hold faith.

2:09

He's sleeping on the couch. Okay, like

2:13

we're not talking, we're seeing counselor

2:16

it's not looking good.

2:17

You are one loyal mofo. I will tell

2:19

you that.

2:20

No, no, objectively,

2:22

objectively, it was bad. It

2:24

was bad that the two fumbles for fantasy purposes

2:27

twenty seven of thirty seven through the year, two

2:31

hundred and seventeen yards as well. I

2:34

was getting so angry with every

2:36

single I think they called ten screen pass plays.

2:39

I know you saw the same thing, dude. Like it's

2:42

like there was one series where they ran a screen

2:44

pass a bubble screen three times

2:46

in a row, like the save exact play three times

2:48

in a row.

2:49

Why does that surprise you? That has been the case all

2:51

season long, Like that has been the.

2:53

Case the NFL. Because it's the NFL.

2:55

You would expect that there is some

2:57

level of like they've got to be smarter than that, right,

3:00

Like they've got to know football better than the average

3:02

show. I actually don't believe that. I really don't

3:04

believe that that Luke Getzy's

3:06

known us at this point, like.

3:08

No, this is this. I think we give way too

3:10

much credit to professionals that we

3:12

think that they know what they're doing. Like

3:15

this goes for businesses because we give way

3:17

too much credit to people that we think they know what they're

3:19

doing because they have a lot of money and they do things televised

3:21

whatever. The Bears have no idea what

3:23

they're doing. Ibraflus has no idea

3:25

what he's doing. Getsy has no idea what he's doing.

3:28

Like, it's just it's bad.

3:30

It's bad, man. They don't know they win games.

3:32

I don't know how even at the end of the

3:34

game. So they drive down

3:36

the field. They have the big thirty plus yard

3:39

pass to DJ Moore to set up a game winning field

3:41

goal. Right, Minnesota

3:43

still had two timeouts, like they should

3:45

have been going, in my opinion, for a touchdown

3:48

where they could be up by seven by running it on

3:50

the ground to punch it in, like they they

3:53

left ten seconds on the clock. I'm like, you guys are

3:55

trying to still cruise this game. Yeah

3:58

it was it was rough in but field

4:01

still twelve for fifty nine on the ground. But

4:03

he fumbled twice, and that's what ultimately he would have

4:06

been like a bad fantasy's day, but still it would

4:08

have been enough for me to get the win. It's

4:10

just so fitting that I was playing you and I needed

4:12

to beat you. It came down to literally

4:15

four points exactly if he

4:17

doesn't fumble twice. And ball security

4:19

is a problem for him now, especially, I mean he just lost

4:21

the game to Detroit last week by not hanging

4:23

onto the ball. Fields is an

4:26

unpolished product at this point. I don't

4:28

know that he is going to be a long term NFL starter,

4:30

but he has certainly flashed for

4:33

greatness multiple times, and for fantasy

4:35

he's had crazy games. So it's just it's

4:37

hard to break up Dylan. I see so much potential

4:40

in him, but it's.

4:41

What percentage chance? Do you think that Justin Fields

4:43

has to be a starter, not even for the Bears specifically

4:46

a starter in the NFL.

4:47

Oh, seventy five to eighty percent?

4:50

A starter next year, dude? If Baker Mayfield

4:53

is and I know Baker Mayfield had had better.

4:56

Given on Hayfield as over

4:58

Justin Fields, he's proven more success. Bro.

5:01

If Desmond Ritter is getting

5:03

started the year on a team as a starter,

5:05

Gino Smith can find like Justin Fields is

5:07

special. What he did on the ground last year for

5:10

a single season was incredibly impressive.

5:12

I will say this, I would be excited

5:14

to see him off the Bears because it doesn't

5:16

feel like that offense has any identity that

5:18

or they need a regime change in terms of Luke Getzi.

5:21

Yeah, and I'll give you that. And that's something I said

5:23

from the beginning. Yeah, was the coaching

5:25

right like where it's Justin

5:27

Field's of talent. I'm not gonna hate on the talent. Does he

5:29

have some very big issues right now? Yes,

5:32

And I think that if they don't get addressed soon, he's going to

5:34

get destroyed between the Ears. And I think that's what's

5:36

gonna be the big problem. He's not getting the proper

5:38

coaching and it's just going to create bad habits and as

5:40

an NFL quarterback, that's very, very difficult to

5:42

overcome.

5:43

Yeah, no, dude, you see it. You see the double

5:46

clutching. You see he's uncomfortable in the pocket.

5:48

He kind of flushes early. And

5:51

listen, I'm a I'm not a quarterback analyst

5:53

for like, I'm not here to pretend like I know all

5:55

of quarterback footwork or anything like that, but

5:57

they didn't throw over the middle of the field hardly at all.

6:00

Everything was like super near the line of scrimmage.

6:02

At one point in the game, ESPN had this great graphic

6:04

up that was like he's averaging point

6:06

three yards downfield per pass,

6:09

Like they were throwing so many bubble screens and there

6:12

it was point three. Now this was before like

6:14

now, when they went to two minute drill

6:16

a couple of times they spread the ball out. He ripped

6:19

it down the field several times. He looked fine. It's just

6:21

there wasn't that many plays called for him to showcase

6:23

that. It's brutal.

6:25

But I want to move to DJ Moore because I

6:28

have a conundrum with him as well. In that same league

6:30

where I lost to you, I'm I have the justin

6:32

fields DJ Moore Stacking DJ

6:35

Moore has been a revelation for

6:37

a lot of fantasy owners this season. Someone

6:39

I'm proud to have called, hey, this guy is gonna

6:41

have a very good fantasy season. He was

6:43

the wide receiver nine going into the game. He certainly

6:46

maintained that after going eleven

6:49

for one to fourteen through the air, he's

6:52

twenty six years old. On keep trade

6:54

cut he is the wide receiver twenty

6:57

Dylan, how is he right?

7:00

How is is he too low? In

7:02

Keith trade cuts value? This seems like he's you

7:04

hate Justin Fields, but you have to admit at

7:06

that point, DJ Moore is quarterback proof

7:09

and the number one in an offense that's being heavily targeted.

7:11

Yeah.

7:11

I think I've been guilty of being

7:14

pretty critical of DJ Moore,

7:16

and I think he's one of the most disrespected

7:18

wide receivers in the NFL, both in real

7:20

life NFL and fantasy. And

7:23

for him to be doing what he's doing, he said wide receiver

7:25

nine on the season.

7:26

Yeah, they that was going into

7:28

the game. They have status to what

7:30

the rankings are going to because we're recording on Monday

7:32

night.

7:32

Sure, sure, but I think even I

7:35

mean, being a top fifteen wide receiver given

7:37

how Justin Fields in t bag

7:39

or.

7:40

Was it

7:47

how they played nickname.

7:51

Like, I mean, Beija did it all right? But still

7:54

it's he's proven both in Carolina

7:56

and in Chicago that he's quarterback group. Get

7:58

that man, a freaking quarterback who is going

8:01

to throw him the ball? Actually, I

8:03

take care because it's not the Yes, I was just

8:05

about to say, I'll take that back. It's the coaching that's

8:07

not getting the ball to him. He had fourteen targets.

8:09

Fourteen targets, he caught eleven of them and went on

8:12

over one hundred yards. So he's doing it. He's getting

8:14

it done. I think if you can past

8:17

we can get him like I would be okay,

8:19

even if you're a rebuilding team going and getting that's just.

8:21

Twenty since I think that's the conversation. Here's

8:23

here's something that's really sneaky. I you

8:26

know, obviously he had those games with Tyson bage It, like

8:28

you mentioned, which were not nearly as good

8:30

as when he plays with Justin Fields. Just how

8:32

good is he when Justin Fields plays with him?

8:35

If you exclude the game where

8:39

Justin Fields got injured halfway through the

8:41

game, right, I didn't include. That's the only one I did include.

8:43

When Justin Field starts and finishes a game with

8:46

DJ Moore, he is averaging twenty point

8:48

three half PPR Fantasy points per game.

8:50

That is second only to Tyreek

8:52

Hill. He'd be the wide receiver too, So

8:55

as you know, there is a connection. They seem

8:57

to you know, hyper target each other. My big issue

9:00

and why it's hard to evaluate fields. It's actually

9:02

very similar to why it was difficult and is difficult

9:05

to make a complete

9:07

conclusion on Kenny Pickett. I believe

9:09

the offense that's being called doesn't let

9:11

you evaluate the quarterback. Matt Canada was

9:13

not letting Kenny Pickett throw the ball in the middle.

9:15

Of the field, hit it into piles

9:17

of poop.

9:18

Apparently, dude, I just.

9:20

Dragged smelling

9:23

like just diarrhea.

9:25

But bro, the amount of screens that were called

9:27

fields made some boneheaded mistakes, for

9:29

sure, But like when you throw

9:31

that many screen passes, when you don't utilize

9:33

your weapons down field, it's it's like, dude, what are

9:36

we looking at? Troy Aikman, Joe Buck They kept

9:38

bringing it up, but all I know is this, It cost

9:41

me a playoff spot, and so I'm

9:43

I'm more than willing for the right price and the

9:46

right player to move on, justin fields, in

9:48

every league and in every formatute at this point because

9:50

the roller coaster, you know, it looks

9:52

like I'm gonna be at at the bottom of it and and

9:54

end on a low because I needed

9:56

him to come through and the bar was pretty

9:59

freaking load.

10:00

Well, when you leave, when you leave your

10:02

fate in field's hands, all you end up with is

10:04

a bunch of grass stains.

10:07

Did you did you like write that down? Did you practice

10:09

that one?

10:10

I'll put together for you.

10:11

Yeah, yeah, that's good man. Listen to Congratulations

10:14

you must.

10:14

Be that's the name of this episode, grass stains.

10:17

That No, No, that was a dad joke and I didn't

10:19

You hadn't told me. You guys were expecting. So congratulations.

10:22

Welcome to the club, bro, I'm super super

10:24

happy by you. Listen,

10:26

going to the other side of the ball. Joshua

10:29

Dobbs has been fun the past or not for

10:31

interceptions. If you were relying on him

10:34

as a weekly streamer, you just throw this out and just

10:36

hope for the next game next year. You were never expecting

10:38

him to be a long term play anyway, right, Yeah.

10:42

So I think some people dynasty wise were

10:44

buying in, and I think there was a glimmer of hope

10:46

that, you know what, he could actually be the next

10:48

Geno Smith and go and get a contract somewhere

10:50

next year. Man, I don't

10:52

even know if he starts next week from Minnesota. If I'm being

10:54

honest, really yeah. I mean,

10:57

Nick, they have to pull out all the stops right

10:59

now. They are literal on the fringe of missing out

11:01

on a playoff chance, and they have Justin

11:03

Jefferson coming back. But I mean

11:05

he looked tonight.

11:07

Does he come back though, like

11:09

if they're not if they if they had

11:11

won tonight, I would say he probably comes

11:13

back. They'd be seven and five. You

11:16

know, it's playoffs.

11:17

I think we underestimate tunity, just

11:19

like we overestimate professionals, specifically

11:21

coaches that we think we know they know what they're doing. I

11:24

think we underestimate the competitive ed

11:26

or the competitiveness of athletes. I

11:28

think he comes back. I think he regrets it because I don't

11:30

think they make the playoffs. But I think he's gonna

11:32

come back and at least go and try and play with his team. Dude,

11:34

he's had so long to recover. I

11:37

think he can yet.

11:38

I just think I think it's the business side of not

11:40

having a contract and risk

11:42

the same risk you run of. I mean, I

11:44

know he's a wide receiver. Listen, if he was a running

11:47

back. I'll never forget when Earl Thomas was

11:49

with the Seahawks, and obviously it was like a second or a third

11:51

car. I believe it was a second contract or a third

11:53

contract with them, But he played

11:55

through the season because he couldn't really hold

11:57

out and he got injured in the middle of the season. He didn't

12:00

have a long term deal, and he's flipping them off as he's

12:02

being carted off. Yeah, and that just stuck

12:04

with me of like, I will never fall to

12:06

player if you had, if you've played

12:08

incredibly.

12:09

The business decision.

12:10

Yeah, That's what I'm saying. And so when you're

12:12

a star like Jefferson, I'm not risking my legs

12:14

if I don't have to. And I'm not like if I

12:17

was his agent, I'd be like, hey, man, you

12:19

know how you want to play this.

12:20

That's just me. But yeah, yeah, not my.

12:22

Area of expertise. What is sorry,

12:24

but I will is man.

12:25

It's I always say, going back to Joshua

12:28

Dobts. I mean, the dude had four interceptions

12:31

and he lost a fumball. I'm pretty sure yep,

12:33

five turnovers. That's a great way to get

12:35

benched. I don't care who do.

12:37

And and the fact that the Bears were still tried

12:39

to lose this game. It's it's embarrassing man,

12:41

like like they had so much turnover margin justin

12:44

fields sad over one hundred passing yards through the first quarter.

12:46

Like they started the game so well and they couldn't

12:48

like they couldn't finish, they couldn't get in the end zone.

12:52

It's dude, it's demoralizing. I really am.

12:54

I'm like legitimately of something I missed

12:56

out on playoffs, man, just like lost.

13:00

Can I interest you in any Alexander

13:02

Madison or ty

13:04

Chandler.

13:06

Ty Chandler No, I mean neither one

13:08

of them.

13:09

Maybe, so yeah, I'm not gonna waste We're

13:11

not gonna waste our breath on that weekend we get limited

13:13

breath. But what I will say is Roshan

13:15

Johnson, that dude is a man.

13:18

Oh my gosh, bro, he is a man

13:20

and he is a dude. If you can go and trade for

13:22

Roshan Johnson because he's

13:24

a dude, I think he's

13:27

already out. Yeah.

13:28

Khalil Herbert tonight and Khalil Herbert was listened as

13:30

the starter coming in, and so I think

13:32

it's time to If you are a believer

13:35

and you need a running back and you want a young one,

13:37

Roshan Johnson is someone you should

13:39

be looking at, and he really he would be a much

13:41

higher rated prospects coming in as a rookie if

13:43

he did not back up Bejon Robinson at

13:45

Texas because Bijon was

13:48

so the focal point in the shining. So it's a lot

13:50

like Miles Sanders Saquon Barkley. Miles Sanders

13:53

backed up Saquon for years and

13:55

had to wait a full year for him to get his opportunity.

13:57

So I'm I'm I'm in agreement with that man. Rochean

14:00

Ones, He's interesting. Here's

14:02

my question. What what would you be willing to

14:04

pay for a Roshawn Johnson? No, and

14:06

maybe don't use picks. Let's say you're me. Let's say

14:09

I I'm missing playoffs

14:11

now like or let's say you had him in yacht club. Right, you

14:13

and I are both tanking for the future. We're going to talk about

14:15

that a little bit more. What would

14:18

you want to like, would you sell Roshan

14:20

if you're rebuilding right now and if you know for what just

14:22

picks?

14:24

Yeah, I mean my whole rebuilding philosophy

14:27

is not to really hold on or buy running

14:29

backs, but but I will had the caveat

14:32

if there's running backs like I

14:36

just traded him, ironically, but Taj Spears,

14:38

Roshan Johnson, younger running backs, like,

14:40

if you're not going to get much for them unless they throw

14:42

him into a deal can get one done, which is what I did,

14:46

then I wouldn't just trade them alone, because what are

14:48

you going to get for Roshan a third which

14:50

I'm not going to roll the dive, So you should at least get no

14:53

exactly, Like, dude, no one's given you a second

14:55

for a rookie running back.

14:57

I don't think, not at this point of the season.

14:59

Not at this point exactly. So that's why you just I would

15:01

say, hold like, but if you have, like, if you have younger

15:04

running backs like what that only have upside

15:06

because of opportunity, then yeah, hold on to

15:08

them.

15:08

It might be worth We could talk about

15:10

it a little bit more because we do want to

15:12

get into some some news that happened in the

15:15

NFL. We talked already about David Tepper earlier

15:17

this season, but the idea of cleaning

15:19

house and rebuilding. You know, this is the point

15:21

of the fantasy year where you know

15:23

almost unequivocally whether or not your team is going

15:25

to make a playoff push, and if you're still waiting to

15:28

find that answer, it's either time to hedge or

15:30

it's time to go all in. You

15:32

might want to just yeah, we've already we've

15:34

already made the decision. So we're going to talk about a

15:36

little bit of strategy and how do you squeeze the

15:39

most value can out of the end of your trade

15:41

deadlines and most importantly the

15:43

playoff window, because this is the last four

15:45

weeks where you and almost your

15:47

entire league are still going to be engaged. What we don't

15:50

talk about enough in playoffs is that people

15:52

people check out of the chat man once you've been eliminated,

15:55

Like I have, bro, I want nothing.

15:57

To do that.

15:59

Dude.

16:00

Me and this dude, Josh, we hadn't talked over the things

16:02

giving holiday, right, We just we hadn't talked much

16:04

at all. We didn't record on Thursday. I call this

16:06

dude today and I'm like, yeah, traded. He's like, wait, you traded

16:08

that. I'm like yeah, And then so and said, wait that

16:10

happened. I'm like, where have you been, bro,

16:12

where you've been on?

16:14

I have a family?

16:16

Like, you're not the commissioner of the league. Even the Commissioner

16:18

of the league checks out if he's tanking. You

16:20

literally didn't know about it. And there was like four or five

16:23

trades that went down. You're like, wait, what big

16:25

ones too.

16:26

Yeah, we'll get into

16:28

a couple of them right after this break.

16:32

So, Dylan, we

16:35

talked earlier this season about David

16:37

Tepper, especifically when like Frank Wright was taken

16:39

over play calling well after

16:42

going one and eleven, Frank

16:44

Reich looks like his career in the NFL

16:46

is over. Good man morally from what we understand

16:49

last shared faith there. We wish nothing but the

16:51

best for Frank Wright. But we talk about

16:53

it. Dynasty football is all about feeling

16:55

like an actual NFL owner or GM and

16:57

having a long term view. David

16:59

Tepper is now essentially

17:01

I don't want to say he's cleaning house, but he fired

17:04

Frank Reich. Josh mccollan, who's the quarterbacks

17:06

coach and the running backs coach slash assistant

17:08

head coach, Deuce Staley, who one

17:10

of the producers of the show, is a big.

17:12

Fan of it.

17:12

I am as well. I liked him on Hard Knocks when he was with the Detroit

17:15

Lions. But here's really

17:17

the question, Dylan, you own a franchise,

17:19

I own a franchise. They're in the yacht club. How

17:22

do you know and how do you have confidence

17:24

that when you are starting from scratch,

17:26

you're tearing it down, whether that's personnel, players,

17:29

picks, whatever it is you're offloading and

17:31

saying I want, I need to completely look

17:33

at this brand new. How

17:35

do you know that you're doing

17:37

it with fresh eyes, you know, with

17:39

a clear eyes, full hearts lose

17:43

it well, because here's my thing. Tepper

17:45

is a great example, and he's getting a lot of flak

17:47

right now on social media like, oh, he's not a good owner. Tepper's

17:50

invested man. He wants to win. He's

17:52

pumped a lot of money into the Panthers.

17:55

Like he's willing to be dynamic where it needs

17:57

to you know, when he needs to

17:59

be. You can't be scared to make

18:01

moves. That's never good. You don't want to be stuck in the doldrums

18:03

of mediocrity. But you can also, I

18:05

mean, this is the second coach he's fired in

18:09

the middle of the season. I mean, obviously Matt Rule had

18:11

a lot longer time, but that you know, with

18:13

the Panthers. But doesn't it

18:15

feel like he's just kind of getting a little I

18:18

don't know, just rebuilding a little

18:20

too quickly, like oh, okay, it's not working. Refresh,

18:22

Okay, it's not working. Refresh.

18:24

I mean, call it what it is. We all go through

18:26

this as dynasty managers. I went through

18:28

it recently, and you

18:30

got to call it what it is. He threw a temper tantrum, That's

18:32

what he did. He threw a temper tantrum. And sometimes

18:35

you just need to throw a good temper tantrum, you know

18:37

what. I'm full of the dad jokes we got. You

18:39

gotta throw am.

18:41

And you hadn't told me.

18:42

I'm so happy for you. I'm just practicing,

18:44

bro, just practicing. It's good. No,

18:46

but every every franchise needs a temper tantrum.

18:48

I literally threw one a couple of weeks ago and was

18:51

just like, if your coaches aren't performing,

18:53

your team's not performed, like you just get pissedy.

18:55

You gotta blame someone, right because as the owner, it's not your

18:57

fault. No, you're just you sit in the box and you

19:00

you pull the strings. It's not your false So you gotta throw a temper

19:02

tantrum. Start blaming everything around you. I had Dak

19:04

Prescott got pissed off, Fire him, send him

19:06

off. That looks stupid, but I had

19:08

CMC back in the day through you know what, you just

19:10

start throwing the temper tantrums and then you end up at

19:13

the bottom and you get a first round pick and you don't even

19:15

have it.

19:16

We're not This isn't

19:18

the exact like date in

19:20

terms of like, okay, it was November twenty

19:22

seventh. It was November seventh, but it was week twelve

19:24

last year where I threw a temper tantrum

19:26

and gave you that infamous trade where I was like

19:29

missing playoffs. Here's Dak, here's

19:31

CMC. Give me fields God Fields

19:33

is just I need to really examine this relationship,

19:35

man.

19:36

Yes you do. You may need to see counseling.

19:39

You may not just counseling.

19:41

It is a whole thing of like, hey, you're down,

19:44

you can double down, or you can just cut

19:46

your loss.

19:46

You gotta double gotta fields

19:48

fetish. You may gotta field s fetish.

19:51

It's it's bad fields fetish.

19:54

You've got one.

19:54

I'm simply I'm getting back to Tepper.

19:56

I think it's easier to do than we would all admit,

19:59

like a bad thing happens a player gets injured,

20:01

you instantly think I need to move them, do you really?

20:04

And so taking a moment

20:06

to pause is always really really smart. But now

20:08

I want to shift folks to you. Dylan. You

20:10

went from and we've talked about the You know, your

20:13

season didn't go as expected, but you

20:15

still had mostly the bones of a

20:17

very good team. You just had some weird

20:19

injuries. You didn't have the running backs you needed.

20:22

Essentially, you really just downgraded your running back room,

20:24

got wide receivers, and the wide receivers hadn't panned out

20:26

like he expected. So thought you were gonna reroll

20:28

with Dak. You've traded Dak away. You've

20:31

traded now almost all your pieces

20:33

away, and one of the trades you alluded to before

20:35

break I log back in or we chatted

20:37

today. You've torn it down even

20:39

further and are now very similar

20:41

to David Tepper, starting almost

20:44

completely from scratch. You have a couple key

20:46

pieces to build around. One of those is

20:48

Will Levis. You decided to go acquire

20:50

Will Levis. The exact

20:53

trade was let me pull this up right here,

20:55

Nico Collins, your you know your

20:58

favorite yeah, you love Nico

21:01

A twenty twenty five first round pick for

21:04

Rashad Bateman, Taj Spears, and Will

21:07

Lovis. Why do you believe in

21:09

a super flex league where you that's

21:11

your only QB two and only your young one, Derek

21:13

car is the only other guy in your room. Why are you confident

21:15

you can build around banana man, mister.

21:18

Mayo banana man. Yeah, well,

21:20

I mean I came on here a few weeks ago and was touting

21:22

Will Levis as the next great

21:24

thing, right. I came on and I kind of put

21:27

planned in my flag with Will Levis, and you know,

21:29

I was like, let me put my money where my mouth is. And

21:31

I've also talked about how I'm not super high on the twenty

21:33

five class, especially for quarterbacks. So

21:36

I figured, let me take that twenty five first.

21:38

Nico Collins stung a little bit. Not gonna

21:40

lie. Love me some Nico Collins. I just don't know

21:42

if he's going to be the guy, even

21:45

the number two long term, because if they can go in the

21:47

offseason and go get a T. Higgins and Nico

21:49

Collins isn't helping me win games right now.

21:51

So I figured that I needed

21:53

to throw him in to get the deal done. I got

21:55

Taja Spears back, Rashad Bateman, who you

21:57

know is one of those dart throws. He's still young. And

22:00

then Will Levis, I like Will Levis,

22:02

I'm willing to take a bet on Will Levis

22:04

being maybe not the future

22:06

future, but I will bet on him having

22:08

a shot in Tennessee and trusting that rabel will

22:10

actually help him. Because you got to think about it. Will Levis

22:13

came out, had that big game for the

22:15

four touchdown game, the four touchdown game, right, yeah, four

22:17

touchdowns his debut, his debut,

22:20

and then since then he's had eight points,

22:22

five points, sixteen seven not

22:24

great, right, But he also only has DeAndre

22:27

Hopkins, Like that is not a good offense.

22:29

He's got Derrick Henry who is winning them ballgames.

22:31

So all that to say, I still believe.

22:34

I still believe in punching it into the end zone.

22:36

I don't think he's not the

22:38

engine which the offense is running around.

22:40

He was scar was He was really

22:43

good this past week. Bro.

22:45

I mean no, no, I think he only

22:47

had like, let me pull this up. He punched

22:49

it into into the end zone twice. But on

22:51

the ground he did next to nothing.

22:54

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure he's the reason why let

22:57

me see here, he's the reason why they won that

22:59

game without I mean, will let us through for one hundred

23:01

and eighty five yards.

23:02

Oh, no question. It was a

23:04

defensive game. Henry

23:06

punched it in on the ground. Oh no, no, he got it

23:09

going. He got it going. Eighteen for seventy six on the ground.

23:11

Yeah, you're right, I

23:14

will take that and two touchdowns. Yeah, yeah,

23:16

No.

23:16

I tuned in at one point and he literally

23:19

had twenty four yards on the ground and two touchdowns,

23:21

so a lot of his yard later in the game as

23:23

they were ending it.

23:24

Yeah, he's definitely twenty nine.

23:26

You're starting to see he's twenty nine for sure, right.

23:29

The age is built up. It's not

23:31

King Henry of Old for sure.

23:33

Yeah. But Josh, what did I do with Taj Spears?

23:36

You traded him away. And that's what I'm kind of

23:38

confused about, is that you traded for Taj. And

23:40

that was what I was getting into, is like I think

23:43

Derrick Henry is slowing down. I don't

23:45

think that he's the same Derrick Henry Vold. He's still

23:47

very good back. We wanted the Cowboys to trade

23:49

for him. We've talked about that, but I liked the Taja

23:51

Spears move. I thought that was going to be you picked

23:53

up the future of that running back, essentially the

23:55

future of that offense if Mike Rabel is going to say the

23:57

head coach. But then you moved him

24:00

for Antonio Gibson, Logan

24:02

Toma.

24:02

You gotta start like that. Oh, you gotta start like that.

24:05

And a late twenty four first. But

24:07

it wasn't taj Spears alone. You had to give up

24:09

a second, a third and some other pieces as well.

24:12

So you're just twenty five second. No

24:14

you didn't know. Hold on, I'm going to retell you guys that trade

24:17

because Josh is doing his best to make me look like a freaking

24:19

buffoon. All right, So

24:22

what I traded him for was

24:24

I traded Curtis Samuel a

24:27

late twenty five second, early

24:29

twenty four third, Tajy Spears, and

24:31

I got Logan Thomas Antonio Gibson in a late

24:33

twenty four first. So the twenty

24:36

five first is going to be laid, sure or whatever, but

24:38

I think that getting

24:41

that twenty four first, and we've already talked about

24:43

the market for the twenty four first in our league, right, Yeah,

24:46

they're very shocked.

24:48

There's a monopso in the next two classes.

24:50

Yeah, your your announcement of the trade kind

24:52

of already says it. But what do you I

24:54

haven't because I haven't even gotten your reaction genuinely

24:56

about the trade. What do you think about that trade? Genuinely?

25:00

Which one I like the one where you sent away

25:02

Taji spears for twenty four? First, Antonio

25:04

Gibson, I somehow

25:06

still believe there's sneaky value to be had

25:09

there.

25:09

I thank you, I thank

25:12

you.

25:12

No, I just it's the truth. Like he's I think he's a

25:14

talented pass catching back. He's been in RB one in

25:16

years previous. I mean, Brian Robinson's

25:18

the guy in Washington now. But Antonio

25:20

could go somewhere else much like a Devin Singletary

25:23

has and you know, find

25:25

relevance. So the

25:27

real issue for me is like the

25:30

Will Levis thing. As much as you've given

25:32

me crap for planting my flag on Justin

25:34

Fields, what is it about Will Levis where

25:36

hey, this is the piece you want to build

25:38

around.

25:39

That's a great question, because I don't think I answered that earlier.

25:42

The dude has insane armtown

25:44

it is undeniable. Like he has a cannon

25:46

of an arm, which is only one thing, right, but

25:49

where he throws the ball. He made this throw.

25:51

I can't remember exactly what point of the game it

25:53

was. I think it was like a third down throw. This

25:56

dude literally threads a needle, throws

25:58

it over the linebacker's head and to the wide

26:00

receiver, like to where the wide receiver

26:03

could only catch it, and just it was a beautiful

26:05

path. Not every quarterback can make that throw,

26:07

and so me seeing him make that throw, and in his

26:09

four touchdown game, he made some pretty

26:11

incredible throws. Yeah, and I

26:13

guess yeah, they weren't expecting

26:15

it. Sure, And he made another

26:18

doting throw last week on a trick play.

26:19

Ye.

26:20

But he's got a cannon of an arm. He has insane

26:22

arm talent. And I think in an offseason where he actually

26:24

gets the full reps with the

26:26

team as the starter, I think we could

26:29

see a lot different Will Levis next year. And so that's why

26:31

I bought into him, because I see it.

26:33

It was came up. It's

26:35

a little bit dated at this point, but Tom Brady had

26:37

that statement about the NFL being more mediocre.

26:40

It's not the same NFL. He talked about it,

26:42

and I follow a lot of obviously different

26:44

NFL shows. Rich Eisen brought up that

26:46

he spoke to Mike Rabel when

26:48

they were both in London together, because rich

26:51

Eisen was calling that London game where Tennessee played,

26:53

and he asked him, hey, man, how is will Levis

26:55

developing? And Mike Raybul was like, at

26:58

the time, Will Levis wasn't even on the radar he was and start

27:00

Ryan Tannehill wasn't injured all that, and

27:02

he's like, dude, I have no idea. And he brought

27:04

up, how like, because of the new collective bargaining

27:06

agreement, you're not getting as much time for

27:09

these younger players to develop, to get in

27:11

reps with the ones. And so essentially, if

27:13

you're not number one on the depth charter, there's

27:15

not a question of giving you reps with the

27:17

ones. They don't build an offense around

27:19

you whatsoever. It's just like, dude, we don't even pay attention

27:21

to you. We don't have time. And so I

27:24

say that to defend your point about Will Levis is

27:26

that I think it's hard to know what he is until

27:29

he has an offseason where they build around him very similar

27:31

to Rock Party, not because of the draft capital

27:33

that obviously he was drafted higher. There's

27:35

you know, you like the arm talent, but ire.

27:37

Was another thing. Yeah, that's another thing that

27:39

like the draft capital, like he was an early second

27:42

round pick. No, he wasn't a first round pick, but he was an

27:44

early second round pick like that takes some investment

27:46

for the Titans to go and get him when having

27:48

Ryan Tannehill and drafting Milik Willis a year

27:50

before.

27:51

So I think that one of the best things for his

27:53

fantasy value though, is actually that Derrick Henry

27:55

would be shipped out of town, to be honest with you, and that

27:58

didn't happen true because the

28:00

offense is still running through him as you brought up, even though

28:02

it's not nearly what it used to be. So for

28:04

fantasy purposes, he's a confusing

28:06

one for me, But I like the I like the price you

28:08

got on him. Anytime you can buy a quarterback for

28:11

essentially a single first Who's

28:13

that that's a good price to pay.

28:15

Who's more likely to start a game next year for

28:18

a team, justin Fields or will

28:20

Levis?

28:21

Well, will Levis is going to be the starter next year. That's

28:23

that's a guarantee. But if you're saying I believe

28:25

Justin Fields will be the starter next year and I frank

28:28

the Bears, that's such a

28:30

fifty to fifty for me right now. Man, It's it really

28:32

really is. You could like I remember when Josh

28:34

Rosen who had like just an all like

28:36

they came out when the Cardinals had the one on one, and

28:38

it's like, Josh is our guy. But we got to remember

28:41

the Bears have the one on one, not because of their own pick.

28:43

They're four and eight right now. They could finish the season

28:45

on a bit of a winning streak. If they finish

28:49

let's say seven and nine. Do you really think

28:51

that they're going to move on from Justin Fields at that point.

28:55

I don't know, man, I really, I really don't know.

28:57

Ryan Poles is he's a wild card. Yeah,

29:00

he knows he's going to get chopped in this thing doesn't

29:02

work out well.

29:03

If you ask Dynasty circles, Caleb Williams

29:05

already hung the moon, you know what I mean.

29:07

I mean, yeah, yeah, we've talked

29:09

about Caleb Williams. I don't know that he Yeah,

29:11

we're not going to get in the kables.

29:13

You know, speaking of another Williams, someone I

29:15

wanted to bring up because you and I essentially

29:18

I've already mentioned it, like you tore down to the studs,

29:20

like you have very very little you're building

29:22

around other than draft picks, which you have a ton

29:25

of seconds. Like the meat of what you're building

29:27

around is second round picks in twenty twenty

29:29

four, you have two later first

29:31

projected later first next year. But then

29:33

I was looking through your roster. It's like, correct

29:36

me if we're wrong. You're building around Jaden Reid, will

29:38

Levis not

29:40

trying to be rude, but like who

29:42

else Elijah Moore? Like

29:46

making U no,

29:48

no, no, genuine

29:50

question, genuine question. No, I'm mean comfortable

29:53

building around.

29:53

The guys I'm comfortable are the Jaden Reids, the Elijah

29:56

Moore I still have hope, and the Christian Kirks, because

29:58

Christian Kirk is still younger.

30:00

So you're also a Jordan Love fan.

30:01

Now with me, I was gonna

30:04

say, I was going to give you your flowers because

30:06

as much as I don't need him, and dunk

30:08

you, dunk on you for Justin Fields.

30:11

Jordan Love's phenomenal. He looks great, he

30:13

really does, and it comes in and out. But

30:16

seeing him get the ball to Jayden Reed I love. But also

30:19

seeing now Christian Watson's getting it going, it's

30:21

Yeah, here's what I'll

30:23

say.

30:24

I want to thank you for being a Jaden Reid believer.

30:26

I believe Jordan Love has started to do better because

30:28

he's treating Jayden Reed more as the one Christian

30:31

Watson. It seems like the pressure was off. He's getting more

30:33

open. Jayden Reid was far more. I

30:35

mean he came into the game. He had been injured

30:37

all week before the Thanksgiving game.

30:39

People didn't even know if he was gonna play because he had like a chest

30:42

injury, and the dude still found

30:44

his way into the end zone. He scored again. I

30:46

think Jayden Reen is at least the forgive

30:49

me. Jayden Reid is at least the one bu

30:52

in Green Bay, and I think he's the.

30:54

Best thing better for it, He's the best thing to happen

30:56

at Christian Watson. Christian Watson can now expose

30:59

them down like defense is downfield because

31:01

Jayden Reid eats up underneath. So yeah,

31:03

yeah, I think that.

31:04

Was the best interesting wide

31:06

receiver coord But the reason I

31:08

wanted to kind of talk about building

31:10

around things is dude, what do you do? Neither

31:13

of us have Kyran Williams, and

31:16

he's part of the reason why it's it's interesting

31:18

that you you should take a shot on if you're

31:20

rebuilding guys like Todd J. Spears,

31:22

guys like Kendre Miller, guys like Roshawn

31:25

Johnson. Take shots on those guys

31:27

because you never know a year later they

31:29

could put up two hundred

31:31

and four yards from scrimmage and two touchdowns.

31:34

Kyron Williams, he is the running

31:36

back ten on the season in our scoring format,

31:38

and that's with a bye week and four games

31:40

missed with injury. The dude is unbelievable.

31:44

That's free right now. Can you guess

31:46

his keep trade cut value?

31:48

Oh, I haven't even looked. Let me think, coming

31:51

off the injury, I'm going to say he's probably RB

31:53

twenty three.

31:55

Dude, he's RB sixteen. Wow, you guessed

31:57

it, Like I thought he would have already shot up the boards,

31:59

and I'm sure you will.

32:00

I play. It's gonna be a little delayed.

32:02

I doubt anyone watched. If

32:05

like, if you're in a league where people don't like

32:07

watch every single game or like not everyone's

32:09

dialed in see if you can pull

32:11

off a keep trade cut calculator

32:14

heist before Karen Williams

32:16

has ascended.

32:17

Goes just like you just got to go in with the pitch

32:19

of this. Listen. He it was playing

32:21

the Cardinal Cardinals are bad. He

32:24

did this the last time you played the Cardinals. Everyone

32:26

does this on the Cardinals and try to get him because he's.

32:28

He's I play

32:30

in like six I play in six leagues

32:32

this year, right, only one

32:34

league and it was a dynasty league. Was

32:37

he started, he was on everyone's bench.

32:39

I was shocked that first of all

32:41

he was. But people just for whatever reason, don't believe in

32:43

him. But my question to you, Dylan was, I know

32:45

he's a running back, but if you had Kyen Williams,

32:48

or if you had had the ability to go get him

32:50

for a reasonable price right now, would you be comfortable

32:53

building around a twenty three year old connected to Sean McVay

32:55

long term.

32:56

If I'm rebuilding, I'm not like bending over backwards

32:58

to try and go and acquire him, honestly.

33:00

If you're not trading him away either.

33:02

But if I have him, I'm absolutely not true. If I

33:04

get offered at first yes, And I

33:06

know that sounds out single for people. Yes,

33:09

yeah, if I'm rebuilding, absolutely,

33:11

what am I gonna do Let a running back

33:13

sit on my roster and get hurt when

33:15

I can get a first into next year

33:17

when there's like six quarterbacks that can go

33:19

in the first and like six wide receivers. No,

33:23

I think I'd rather. I think I'd rely.

33:25

It depends on the first. It depends

33:27

on the first for.

33:27

Me, I know. And that's yeah.

33:30

So you're telling me right now if you have Kinin

33:32

Ruins on your current building, yacht club, if

33:34

you have Kinen Williams, if someone sends you a first year

33:36

you're you're not getting rid of.

33:38

Him, dude. If it's the one oh six

33:40

or better, yeah, I'd get rid of him. You

33:42

know, that's a high end wide receiver. Because for

33:44

example, if I had the one oh seven of the one eight

33:46

one o eight this last year, I could have grabbed

33:49

Quentin Johnston, right Obviously I

33:51

moved on from that, like that's a complete bust

33:53

pick, right, But if you're at the one oh six, it was

33:56

JS and or Jamiir Gibbs in some leagues,

33:58

heck, I mean Mike got CJ. Stroud at

34:01

the one oh four or not someone got

34:03

the CJ. Stroud at the one o five.

34:04

I got a rich at the one four.

34:06

He got a rich at the one o four. That's crazy.

34:08

Yeah, that's crazy.

34:10

That's wild. So

34:12

yeah, well there's another name I wanted to bring

34:15

up for you. So Kyraen Williams not moving off of him

34:17

completely, but Dylan with all the capital

34:19

you've amassed and a rich now being

34:21

you know he's been your guy, would

34:24

you go trade multiple

34:26

firsts to Mike who has a rich on ir

34:28

to try to Hey, would you be willing

34:30

to cash those chips in for all your love of age

34:32

rich?

34:33

Are you trying to like destroy

34:35

my strategy of all costs?

34:37

No, dude, No, no, no,

34:39

Mike. Literally I told him this today. I was like, I asked

34:42

him, I straight up like he was like,

34:44

hey, I was talking through the show

34:46

doc. I'm like, yeah, you know, Dylan's obviously he's

34:48

he's really embraced the rebuild. It's not just

34:50

like hey, I'm one or two players away. Now he's going

34:53

where you know, to where I am. Where he's he's pick

34:55

heavy, he goes. You should ask him

34:57

like just for for content sake, Like

35:01

he said. He said this to

35:03

me, I Lily said, Mike, like, have you ever considered

35:05

public office like you'd be in it? First of all, just objectively

35:08

Michael Smith for you know, twenty twenty

35:10

four. I'm he's got my vote, man,

35:12

like a senator, congressman, heck, president,

35:15

like i'd work with staff because the man, the man

35:17

is so polite in sneaking in the

35:19

agenda of like very professional

35:21

like hey, no, yeah, like oh you

35:23

and Dylan, that's a good show. Maybe you know, check

35:25

this angle. He's very invested in our success. He's you know,

35:28

we're very thankful to the Inflection Network. But he

35:30

just he low key tried to like

35:33

slip into a bill like hey, and

35:35

by the way, I think this law is important and

35:37

this donor should get you know, like special

35:39

like wait a minute, hold on a lot, not broker

35:42

in your deal for you, but I want it

35:44

was a fair it was a fair point that he brought up. Man, it's

35:46

a fair angle to play, Like Anthony

35:48

Richardson's your guy. You have you

35:51

just paid a first to go get Will Levis

35:53

because you've seen enough on the field.

35:55

How much is Anthony Richardson still worth

35:57

to you now that it's week twelve of the season. You

36:00

know, the twenty twenty four draft is

36:02

a lot closer than it was at the start season.

36:04

Michael, you are lucky you're not

36:06

on this episode because we would be having a live discussion

36:09

right now, because honestly, I

36:12

love a rich I am guilty of being

36:14

a rich stand and I stand by. I

36:16

stand by it, even with his injury, I stand by,

36:19

and I would start Mike.

36:21

I would start conversations with him at two firsts

36:24

yeah, and see where it was, especially at two

36:26

twenty four first, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

36:28

like two twenty four first, and then I mean, like

36:31

you talked about, I have two twenty four first and I have six twenty

36:34

four seconds something like

36:36

that, six or seven. But

36:38

I would start there and see what we can work because I mean

36:41

that I'm being completely honest the whole

36:43

time I'm trading for picks and trading these players away.

36:45

I'm thinking about going to Mike because

36:47

you know, me and Mike, we got that relationship, right,

36:49

we talked about it.

36:51

Maybe it's time you cash in on that good will

36:53

be like, hey, man, I've made your team. He's got

36:55

c. J. Stroud and Dak Prescott. It looks

36:57

Mike, Mike might win yacht Club this

36:59

year.

37:00

He got He's got a got

37:02

a tink of a team.

37:03

He's certainly still an underdog compared to a

37:05

couple of teams. He hasn't had the time

37:07

to build it up. But he he said it, you guys let

37:09

a fox in the henhouse when letting me in this league. And

37:11

so far that's been true.

37:12

Yeah, but I would do I would trade

37:14

for Aridge though, like it's standing by, like

37:16

everything that I've said about a Rich just because of

37:18

that injury. If you're listening and someone has

37:21

a Rich and they're not as much of a stand as I am, try

37:23

to buy a Rich on the low. I'm telling you, when he comes

37:25

back, it will be rewarding. Yes, you have to be patient,

37:27

and maybe now's not the time, middle of the off

37:29

season, maybe before we get the news of

37:31

hey, a Rich is rehabbing, before a Rich

37:33

gets back to throwing the ball, go and buy him.

37:36

Don't listen to Mike, right,

37:39

Mike, how was the show?

37:40

Or he asked how the show was? I was fine, man, there's

37:42

no average content. Dylan's not interesting.

37:45

It just help you posture.

37:48

No, man, I here's the tough part

37:51

for me, like you've

37:53

you've attacked me and and

37:56

tonight you received your you

37:58

know, cook ta know you won.

38:01

Justin fields has not worked out. But like, are

38:03

you maybe valuing not a rich too much, but like

38:06

multiple dart throws where you

38:08

can get I mean, Will Levis was drafted in the second

38:10

and now you believe in him. What if someone like I

38:13

mean if Jordan Travis, certainly I don't think

38:15

he's gonna be taken at the in

38:17

the first round of the NFL draft. Wouldn't

38:20

you rather have Jordan Travis plus and a bunch of other

38:22

pieces to build around rather than just one a rich

38:24

and hardly any other picks, Because I know

38:26

Mike would charge more than you know, the

38:28

two first and probably two to three of your seconds

38:30

for.

38:31

You to get yeah done, Yeah, I mean even

38:33

two to three, I still have three to

38:35

four seconds to work with, and I think I

38:38

would be able to get a I'm telling you, Jordan

38:40

Travis is gonna fall so heavy

38:42

and so hard he's gonna get lost in the sauce of

38:44

all of this quarterback talk. There's

38:46

so many other great quarterbacks. Jordan Travis

38:49

is a guy that I'm going to I'm mark

38:51

my word, I'm gonna get him in Yachol. I'm not worried about that.

38:53

So I'd take a shot on him, Yes, but I

38:55

would. I think it'd be worth giving up three

38:58

seconds and two first to get an ariage

39:00

potentially.

39:01

Wow, well, we just we had a starting bid

39:04

price. Let's see if that happens over the next couple

39:06

of days.

39:07

People are gonna losen back like this is freaking crazy.

39:09

We play in a fourteen team league where

39:12

quarterbacks are a premium and getting an average

39:14

and getting your hands on the ariage or any starting that

39:16

has a top ten up starting quarterb with that has a top

39:18

ten upside, Yeah, you're gonna have to pay.

39:20

Yeah, No, I mean it's and it's one

39:23

of those things where because it's six point touchdowns,

39:25

if you can anchor that position, the rest

39:27

comes so much quicker. People are always

39:30

selling wide receivers and running backs when they don't

39:32

feel that they compete, especially at the end of the season like

39:34

right now. So my last question

39:36

to you, Dylan, going back a little bit to Kyraen Williams,

39:38

should I maybe perhaps

39:41

per chance try to trade for a

39:43

Kyraon Williams by

39:46

sending away Justin Fields at this point because their

39:48

priced, they're

39:50

gonna be They're gonna be close on KTC before

39:52

the end of the night. And that's all I'll say. I wouldn't

39:54

do it one for one, but if I could get Kyen Williams in

39:56

a first for Justin Fields, you would advise that at this point

39:59

a four first, Yeah, a

40:02

light one.

40:05

It's so hard to advise you to trade away a quarterback

40:07

for that, but I mean, yeah, if you

40:09

can get a twenty four first for Justin Fields, yeah,

40:12

I think so. Well,

40:15

here's the thing, Josh, here's the thing, and I'll say

40:17

this about that move. To really anyone that makes a

40:19

move like that, you just got to be willing to hustle

40:22

because if you're rebuilding, flip Kien

40:24

Williams like you can flip him for a

40:27

first or young wide receiver or

40:29

someone that's on someone's bench that could use the RB death

40:31

that's making a run.

40:32

You just ship that top seven

40:35

RB by the end of the season.

40:36

In my opinion, Yeah, exactly, Well, that's what I'm saying. But

40:38

before your trade deadline, go and sell him to a

40:40

contender, right, Go and sell

40:43

Karen Williams. Try to get a young wide receiver.

40:45

Plus try to get a Nico Collins in a second. I would

40:47

do a Nico Collins in a second, or you.

40:49

Would settle for Willams in a second for Karen

40:52

Williams. Maybe

40:56

that's actually not too far. No,

40:59

the emergence of Tankdell and frankly c J.

41:01

Stroud's continued successes made Nico Collins

41:04

seem like, Hey, you're a decent wide receiver, but you're

41:07

you know, c J. Stroud is making you look good. It's

41:09

not tyreek Hill Withtua, It's not you know.

41:10

What I mean. That's that's I like

41:13

Nico Collins. So maybe that's that's a bad example, because

41:15

what if you can get like Jayden reading a second

41:17

and not in our lead. I'm not giving you

41:19

that for Karen Williams, but in another league get Jayden

41:21

reading the second. Would you do that?

41:23

I mean mostly as you could get that done, I'm sure instantaneously.

41:25

I don't think the Kyen Williams owner should settle for that.

41:27

Kien Williams needs to be in the same conversation

41:30

of Javonte Williams. He needs

41:32

to be in the same conversation or train of conversation

41:35

as a Lakers.

41:36

That's what we talked earlier about Javonta Williams

41:38

being a late first. Yeah, at the

41:40

late first. Yeah, that seems fair, which

41:42

to me, Jayden reading the second is the equivalent

41:44

of a late first. You're probably winning that trade if

41:48

you're rebuilding, because you just turned the

41:50

Fils into Drake second.

41:53

Drake London or Kyen Williams straight.

41:56

Up, if you're rebuilding, Yeah, I

41:59

don't see flower just Jake save

42:01

Flowers? Who save Flowers? Absolutely, I would

42:03

take say Flowers, Yeah, I would take Za Williams,

42:06

Karen Williams. Yes, I'm building one hundred percent.

42:09

Good to know. Not many people two

42:11

hundred scrimmag yards, two touchdowns.

42:12

Yeah, I don't want to discredit what he's doing.

42:14

He's a stud. It's just with running backs that can

42:16

just be gone like that. It's just unfortunate.

42:19

No, it's it's true. Man. You probably should sell them

42:21

once they reach peak value and just start again. Go

42:23

take go, take multiple shots at you

42:25

know, we've guys who were unheard of and.

42:27

Yeah, we've talked about this, like in the league

42:29

that we were just talking about that I beat you this weekend where

42:32

Justin Fields blew the game for you remember that.

42:34

Oh no, yeah, no, it's completely I've I've

42:36

forced it out of my memory.

42:38

I am a top four team now, I think, and my starting

42:40

running backs all season have been. At one point

42:42

it was sharbon At, Antonio Gibson,

42:45

Gus Edwards, and Raheem

42:47

Moster.

42:47

Rahem Moster. Yeah, all of those guys

42:50

you could other than Sharbone. He was the most expensive

42:52

back on your team. So in the dynasty build, it's

42:54

it's becoming more and more clear. It's not zero r back,

42:56

it's running back. It's just give me a

42:58

second or third you know, stringer

43:01

on any team that I like the offense. I think

43:03

that's the key is you have to like the offensive mind with running

43:05

backs. You know, good running backs on

43:08

bad offenses just it doesn't work.

43:10

So well, listen, my

43:12

grief is not is only beginning. So

43:15

I need plenty of time this evening to go

43:17

cry into my pillow because Justin Field's just cost

43:19

me my only shot at playoffs. Uh.

43:22

And I have a little bit of egg on my face. But Dylan, before

43:24

we go, was there any trade you and I would

43:26

like to get done now that you're both I mean, you have a lot of

43:28

picks in twenty twenty four. Would you like to get into

43:30

twenty twenty five just a little bit? Did you want to diversify

43:33

your portfolio?

43:35

Wow, that was a strong pitch. I'm not

43:37

sold on the twenty five class yet. I'm not. I'm

43:39

not There's going to be some starting tradide receiver.

43:41

But I'm true. And

43:44

that's the thing is, I don't think, and this is just

43:46

full transparency. I do not think. And I had this conversation

43:48

with Mike. I don't think I'm gonna hold onto twenty five

43:50

capital even if I get it. If I got it, tomorrow would

43:52

be gone. And you know that.

43:54

I think that's you painting yourself in a corner. Like you've

43:56

you've been so bullish. But I still believe in this class,

43:58

like you have to like double Like we talked about

44:01

this, like do you find yourself loving players Like I didn't

44:03

ever love Justin Fields that much. So I had to defend him

44:05

again and again and again, and I'm doing it again

44:07

tonight. It's like, oh, we were bonding Justin

44:09

you and I. It's the world. It's like it's like you

44:12

versus the twenty five class. Like it's become a

44:14

bit like objectively, there's players you're gonna

44:16

like.

44:16

In that yas, and I will say the quarterback

44:19

class is looking better. Like they've got a JJ

44:21

McCarthy who I think should stay. Quinn Ewers

44:23

is looking like he'll probably stay. He'll be twenty five,

44:25

should stay, So you know, Drew

44:28

Aller. They've got some guys.

44:30

But yeah, there's

44:32

gonna be other There's gonna be other positions that

44:34

you want. There'll be a running back or a wide receiver that

44:36

you'll be over the moon for.

44:38

Yeah, yeah, we'll see, we'll see. But I

44:41

don't I don't think.

44:41

Only time will tell. Only time, only time

44:43

will tell. And as as usual,

44:45

plenty of business for you and Mike to get done, and plenty

44:48

of business for me to feel left out of. It's

44:50

been a rough evening. I can't wait to get to sleep

44:52

and start a new day and put this tragedy behind

44:54

me. Until next week, guys, hopefully we still have

44:56

a show, because I haven't just completely quit out of

44:58

sorrow. This has been the time is needing

45:00

pay or pay

45:10

Okay,