0:00

I miss Steena Okay

0:08

on a night where nothing goes my

0:10

way, on a night where many things

0:12

don't go many fantasy owners' way.

0:15

I didn't need to be confronted before

0:17

the game by Michael Smith on

0:20

a wonderful side piece on how the

0:22

NFL has overlooked Lamar Jackson, because

0:24

guess who else overlooks Lamar Jackson Almost

0:27

everywhere in yacht club, in every league

0:29

I'm a part of. The Only piece I didn't overlook

0:31

was Mark Andrews. I've been a fan for a long time.

0:34

Mark Andrews decides to exit stage

0:36

left a lah Logan Wilson

0:38

drop on his ankle. Mark

0:41

Andrews. John Harbaugh's reporting well,

0:43

said Ian Rappaport's reporting that John

0:45

Harbass said it might be

0:48

or most likely is season

0:50

ending ankle surgery for Mark Andrews.

0:53

This was not my night, and Dylan I was telling

0:55

you before the show. One of my favorite movies

0:57

of all time is Goodwill Hunting, specifically for

0:59

this scene where this really bright,

1:02

sharp young man who's doing the best

1:04

he can to be a savant in his industry, I

1:06

feel very much the same is brought in by

1:08

a close counselor aka Robin Williams,

1:11

Matt Damon. I'm playing the role of Matt Damon. Can

1:13

you be Robin Robin Williams bring me

1:15

in for a hug and just tell me it's not my fault because I

1:17

can't control injuries reaching

1:20

around. It's good, okay, ye it's good yea. For

1:23

those of you audio only, Dylan is Dylan is

1:25

not kissing me through the phone, but he's getting hard to

1:27

the zoom. Great song.

1:29

I would love to hear how that's interpreted through he

1:31

made a soldier.

1:32

Oh dude, six seven a trip.

1:35

Let me tell you, guys, the worst thing that you can

1:37

do is have Josh Watsh get a song that

1:40

is relevant stuck in his head because all maclamore

1:43

is ruined forever forever because this

1:45

dude all through prom Z.

1:49

Oh my word, the

1:51

words. Anyways, anyways, like

1:54

he didn't.

1:56

That much of bro.

1:58

You come on here bringing up these good

2:00

will hunting references knowing dangwell, I don't watch

2:03

these movies. You know, at least

2:05

give me like a Scary Hours reference, right, like Drake's

2:07

dropping Scary Hours and not like give me something that I

2:09

know that I talk about, Like I don't watch

2:11

Goodwill Hunting or any Will Ferrell movie.

2:14

You watch One Tree Hill, forgive me for

2:16

the not knowing you missed one of

2:18

the all time you know, cinematic

2:21

classics of the early nineties.

2:24

You're not real or not respecting

2:26

the Winter Your

2:28

Hills phenomenal. It's one of the best shows ever. There's so

2:30

much stop stop, we're not

2:32

going. We're not gonna talk about this. Yeah, Winter, I

2:34

love.

2:36

We're avoiding difficult topics. Mark

2:38

Andrews most likely season ending. Joe

2:40

Burrow wasn't on the injury report

2:42

whatsoever. I traded for Jamar Chase

2:44

in like tons of places, I have

2:46

him in dynasty leagues. I have been redraft leagues

2:49

because I didn't think Joe Burrow was struggling with injury.

2:51

I thought he was just now getting healthy from a calf

2:53

injury. He has a sprained risk he's

2:55

gonna be out for I don't know how long. So

2:58

the Bengals offense completely falls

3:00

apart. Lamar looks fantastic

3:03

and here's why I say I overlooked him in

3:05

Cartel, the only like uh dynasty

3:08

league I was competing in. I took Justin

3:10

Field's and Jamar Chase ahead of Lamar

3:12

Jackson, So Mike's Mike's segment he

3:14

took just over him. Yeah

3:17

you know this you were there. Don't act like

3:19

this is special.

3:19

It's just you saying it out loud again is

3:22

just even ahoof woof.

3:24

Yeah, it's a Thursday

3:26

night. We'll never forget, but we wish we could,

3:28

because this was not fun for Fantasy, even

3:31

Lamar having a great night. Two touchdowns

3:33

and of course fifty four on the ground, it

3:36

looked like he his ankle got like hurt.

3:39

It didn't look like it definitely did, and I personally

3:41

think he was starting to trip on himself, like

3:44

throughout the game. Do you think he gave one of those cortisol

3:46

shots and like his ankle went numb and that's

3:48

why he was tripping all over himself.

3:49

Like that's I'm not gonna speculate that now.

3:52

I think what it is is, I mean, we've most people

3:54

have rolled an ankle. If you have a rolled

3:56

ankle or spraining whatever, you're just you're

3:58

not You're kind of wincing in pain

4:01

anytime you have to plant on it. So I think it was just

4:03

like him not trusting the plant on

4:05

it, and so he probably just like

4:07

I don't know he was falling because he was tripping

4:09

over himself that way. It wasn't no cortisol shock, get

4:12

out of here speculation.

4:14

No, it's it's it's a tough one. Burrow

4:18

his sprained wrist. How long is backup

4:21

Jake Browning going to have to?

4:23

I mean, we don't know the length of the injury, but

4:25

Jamar Chase takes a massive hit. Tyler

4:28

Boyd, who I thought and looked like last week

4:30

a league winning trade you could do for cheap,

4:34

doesn't seem like he's going

4:36

to be able

4:38

to suff like keep the offensive float

4:41

by any means. The only person who I think might not be

4:43

affected would be Joe Mixon.

4:45

Yeah, I mean, before we talk about them,

4:47

before we talk about the quarterbacks, you having Jamar

4:49

Chase in some other leagues? What what if?

4:52

I mean, most likely, if you're a contender with Jamar

4:54

Chase, what do you do? I mean, you're obviously not selling

4:56

him, but like, no, do you have to pivot

4:58

to try to like like you're not

5:01

expecting the high end fourteen fifteen

5:03

or even like the twenty thirty weeks at point weeks

5:05

that he gives you. So what can you do?

5:06

The Bengals. The Bengals had a great end

5:08

of season. I like it. They're in the playoff mix,

5:11

but not way ahead because there's not a chance to rest

5:13

the starters. They're gonna have to play offense, you know,

5:15

a lot the rest of the season. Two for twelve.

5:18

Thankfully, he gets a touchdown on like the

5:20

last play of relevant offense for

5:23

the Bengals. Garbage time saved his value

5:25

and saved his day. But dude,

5:28

you just kind of have to hold because I think

5:30

even with a backup, they're gonna manufacture

5:33

targets and they're gonna manufacture touch

5:35

touches for Jamar Chase. Like his first

5:37

reception was one of those touch passes anyway from

5:40

Joe Burrow. So it's just that the week

5:42

winning upside. You know, if you remember his rookie

5:45

year when he had that like fifty

5:47

point performance in fantasy playoffs, became

5:49

a legend for everyone. It happened with him

5:51

and Joe Burrow, you know, together kind

5:53

of igniting and being a stack that people

5:56

rode to championships. It happened in our league.

5:58

So I had visions of that when I traded

6:00

for him in places in redraft. I didn't I traded

6:02

Stefon Diggs and Gus Edwards literally

6:05

yesterday for Jamar Chase because

6:07

I was really good at running back. I was like Gus Edwards.

6:09

Speaking of Gus Edwards, two touchdowns on the ground.

6:12

Again, it seems like the Ravens keep it very

6:14

simple. You got a credit Todd Monkin not over

6:16

complicating it. They are great in the red zone because

6:18

Gus Edwards is a great goal line back.

6:20

He is the Jamal Williams of last year this

6:23

year, and he gives you a little bit extra on

6:25

the ground. Sixty two on the ground. Dylan

6:27

Keaton Mitchell flashed still in

6:30

this game, but it is Gus Edwards clearly the

6:32

back to own for the rest of the season in

6:34

terms of being a league winner for you in Dynasty

6:37

and elsewhere.

6:38

Yeah, I mean with that offense, they're gonna be in

6:40

the red zone quite a bit. And it's they're not running

6:42

Lamar in the red zone, which is smart, and

6:45

so I think he's gonna be He is the goal line back.

6:47

He is the safest floor of all the

6:49

backs in Baltimore. I think

6:52

he could argue he has the highest ceiling with all the touchdowns.

6:55

Thinking it, he's gonna get but Keaton Mitchell has a pretty

6:57

high ceiling because he can break it off from anyway, right, That's

6:59

what we say about Dvon. He has the speed and

7:01

the illusion just to break it off from anywhere. So the

7:04

back to own in Baltimore, Yes, I would say would

7:06

be Gus Edwards. If you want a safe floor,

7:08

if you're shooting for upside in like a flex

7:10

player or whatever, you need points, then yeah, Keaton

7:12

Mitchell will probably give you those boom weeks, but you're

7:14

gonna have to deal with the four point weeks like this week as well.

7:17

Yeah. You know what was interesting when

7:19

Burrow was in the game. Joe Mixon

7:21

looks fantastic. He really really did.

7:23

He was getting a lot of push because I

7:26

think the Ravens were expecting them to pass

7:28

it all over them, but they started and established the run game.

7:31

Mixon had a very very good game. I think I

7:33

already asked it. But with Jake Browning leading

7:36

the Bengals for I don't know if it's a week, I

7:38

don't know if it's two weeks, is Joe

7:40

Mixon does he actually see a bump in production because

7:43

they're gonna have to become a run first team or

7:45

is this just going to be eighty five percent of

7:47

the total offense seventy percent of the total

7:49

offense of what we can expect with Joe Burrow across

7:51

the board.

7:53

So I think I'm gonna give a little

7:55

bit more credit to Browning. I don't think their

7:58

offense is going to completely collapse. And

8:00

again I'm not saying he's going to be the next coming of Joe

8:02

Burrow. Obviously the offense is going to look different and he's

8:04

not going to be as effective. But I think

8:06

you saw some of the throws that he made and he got thrown

8:08

into a game, a divisional game at

8:11

in Baltimore, Like, I think he showed

8:13

some poise. I love that word for quarterbacks.

8:16

He showed some poise that actually proves

8:18

that he can and get to keep in mind that he was

8:21

that he was prepared,

8:24

No sorry, ye he was. He started off the offseason.

8:27

Actually he took a lot of the rest because of

8:29

Joe Burrow's in calf injury. So he has the

8:32

reps there. I think it's just a matter of can

8:34

he continue to get better. And that

8:36

was a Ravens defense that's really good. So going

8:38

back to Joe Mixon. I think Joe Mixon, you still

8:40

got to plug in and play. I mean, it's four weeks in a row that

8:43

he's scored a touchdown, so I think

8:45

you've got to keep playing him.

8:46

No, I think I think

8:49

the thing about a Browning it's very

8:51

similar. We're going to talk about Deshaun White Watson a

8:53

little bit later. But when Dorian Thompson Robinson

8:56

first made his debut for the Browns this season, because

8:58

it sounds like he'll be starting for them again, and there

9:00

was this big deal made about, Okay, he's starting

9:02

over PJ. Walker, and they pointed out that

9:05

DTR when he first started

9:07

for the Browns, he had no advanced notice, he had

9:09

no time to run with the ones throughout the

9:11

week. He just came in for Deshaun Watson kind

9:13

of at the last second. Didn't have time to prepare.

9:15

Jake Browning very much the same thing. It's hard to

9:18

judge what he can do as a backup because when

9:20

you come in in the middle of the game, you're

9:22

not at all prepared. You've had zero reps

9:25

with the ones throughout the week because it's

9:28

been Joe Burrow. In fact, I think it's always interesting

9:30

you know Irwin, the

9:32

receiver for the Bengals, who's been a practice squad guy

9:34

there for Trent Irwin. Jake

9:37

Browning was looking for him right away. They probably have a lot of chemistry

9:39

running with the twos and the threes over the years together.

9:43

Oh dude, definitely Matt Stafford

9:45

Cooper Cup level breakfast. But I'm

9:47

just saying it's an observation. I don't

9:50

think in terms of Dynasty. You obviously

9:52

you don't have to panic sell in Joe Burrow, you don't have to panic

9:54

sell in Jamar. Chase Mark Andrews is

9:57

actually an interesting one for me, Dylan, I'll ask this.

10:00

I have Mark Andrews in Dynasty. I have been redraft

10:02

like I've mentioned, but this is a twenty

10:04

he just turned twenty eight, top two,

10:06

top three depending on any given week, and

10:08

keep trade cut Dynasty

10:11

tight end. What do you want

10:14

to uh do with Mark Andrews?

10:16

Is this? Maybe it seems like

10:18

you're selling low, but do you just need to get out while

10:20

you can, because over the next two years

10:23

is Mark Andrews's best seasons behind him, and we just need

10:25

to admit that and chase younger players.

10:27

At this point, I don't think his best

10:29

years are behind him. I mean he was still producing.

10:33

Oh he's put this injury

10:35

just sucks man, Like, it's just it's

10:37

a bummer with Mark Andrews. I mean, if

10:39

it's dynasty you hold, you don't really have

10:42

an option. I don't think you trade him away. Well,

10:45

I don't think you could sell him at a low like,

10:48

I mean, tight ends already aren't valued a whole

10:50

lot unless you're in a tight end premium league, but in yacht

10:52

club. Like, so we know the manager right now

10:54

that has has.

10:55

We'll get to him. He's going to be a star tonight

10:58

for all the wrong reasons.

10:59

Yes, we know him. Like, if

11:01

if you were him, would you really try and go and sell

11:03

Mark Andrews, Like, I just don't think you're gonna get it. That's

11:07

especially not what he bought him for.

11:09

Okay, let's let's put it to you this way. Okay, if this is

11:11

so, imagine this is Mark Andrew's career

11:13

arc. Right If we're like, so, this is

11:16

a big bell curve. If we're right

11:18

here, Yeah, you might be selling at a low

11:20

from this ceiling that you had him at. But

11:23

how much farther does he slide? As he gets

11:25

older, if the offense changes, if he doesn't

11:27

come back the same way, maybe he's like

11:30

right here, he's just beginning the downturn.

11:32

If you could go trade him for Dalton Kincaid

11:35

right now.

11:36

I don't think he's on the Oh oh yeah, well yeah,

11:38

but you're not getting that done if you can go get adult.

11:41

No, No, I wouldn't.

11:42

I wouldn't if I'm the Dalton Kincaide manager. I'm not.

11:44

I'm not doing that. Why would I do that?

11:46

If I was rebuilding and I wanted it and I knew

11:48

next year I had to one. Well, that's what I'm saying. But he's

11:51

not great in terms of production and co the.

11:52

Tight end position. Yeah, the tight end position

11:55

is so such an interesting position because you

11:57

can easily replace it. So like I

11:59

don't think you have to trade Mark Andrews to reply

12:02

to replacements, No,

12:04

but you can replace somewhat of that production.

12:06

Like I just if I can hold on to Mark Andrews,

12:09

I want to try and go get a David and Joku if I

12:11

can with other pieces on my team, or I

12:14

mean McBride, you're not getting your hands on, but like someone

12:17

like that, or even maybe try to go make a smooth move for Goddard

12:19

because he's out right now.

12:21

That's a good call, But I just didn't trade.

12:23

I wouldn't trade Andrew's bottom line.

12:25

No, I hear you. I We're gonna do a study. I

12:27

want to do a deep dive on tight ends this season because

12:29

it feels like in the Dynasty community, the arrival

12:31

of Samuel Porta and Dalton Kkid and then the emergence

12:33

of Trade McBride, Cole Comet Jake

12:35

Ferguson, tight ends have been a bigger factor

12:38

this year. And I want to really look at those numbers because

12:40

it seems like Travis Kelce, Mark Andrews

12:42

and t J. Hawkinson were the only game in

12:44

town and there was a massive tier break between

12:46

Mark Andrews and Kelsey, and with Andrews injured, you

12:49

do have to look at what else is available in the landscape,

12:51

and that adjusts your perception

12:53

of him, because if there's more guys who can produce like

12:55

he can, he just becomes less valuable, especially

12:58

if he's missing the rest of the season going into playoff. So

13:01

we are going to take a quick break. When we come back,

13:03

We're going to be talking all about tinkering something

13:06

that is a bad habit for many dynasty managers,

13:08

but is often brought on by good

13:10

reasons like tragic injuries such as

13:12

tonight. So please stay tuned. You

13:15

know, one of the most famous books specifically

13:17

in entrepreneurial circles or if you're going to start

13:19

your own business, or you know, go out and live your

13:21

dream, move to California, start a

13:23

coffee shop like Dylan is thinking about doing. You're

13:25

gonna start a CoFe shop, right.

13:27

Dylan one day?

13:28

Yeah. As a man thinketh is

13:31

probably by James Allen's one of the most famous books

13:33

about Okay, Hey, how you're thinking affects

13:35

everything you do. It trickles down. It's all about the

13:37

power of belief. If I were

13:39

to write a book, it would definitely be on

13:41

fantasy football because I've spent I'm already pot

13:43

committed to this hobby as a whole. But as

13:46

a man, tinker is definitely

13:49

the question that every dynasty

13:51

manager needs to ask, because the way in

13:53

which you tinker affects your entire

13:55

future. The decisions you make today affect

13:58

the dis you're able to make.

14:00

Tinkering because you say, when you tinker,

14:02

it sounds a little weird when you tinker.

14:05

Explain what you mean by tinkering.

14:08

By tinkering is like you can over tinker.

14:10

You try to mess with your roster, you make little movies,

14:13

you try to be aggressive. I was gonna listen, I

14:15

was gonna explain it.

14:15

All sounds like a bowel movement or something. It sounds like you got to

14:17

go to the I don't know a tink when you tinker.

14:21

Listen, man, whatever, I'm

14:27

pretty sure everyone who plays Dinasy football

14:29

knows what tinkering is.

14:30

Okay, you know what I would like for you guys to

14:32

comment and let us know if you knew a tinkering means

14:34

before Josh explained it, or you.

14:36

Don't had to go to the bath bathroom. No, Dylan

14:38

has to use the bathroom, and he's projecting

14:41

that unto me. We'll

14:43

rush through this so you can get there. No, listen,

14:45

I wanted to highlight. So news came out.

14:48

Frank Reich is now going to take

14:50

overplay calling again for Carolina.

14:53

And basically I don't know that this is

14:55

a story other than it's clear Frank Reike

14:57

is worried about his job. The Panthers are one

15:00

in eight and David Tepper. He

15:02

already just fired his MLS coach. Because

15:04

he also owns an MLS soccer team, He's

15:07

most likely going to fire Frank Wright at the end

15:09

of the season. David Tepper is

15:11

a tinkerer. He has had three

15:14

head coaches since he started with the

15:16

Carolina Panthers. Forgive me if you four

15:18

if you include Wilkes as an interim

15:21

head coach. But he's not found

15:23

any success at quarterback. And most importantly,

15:26

he is thirty and sixty one as a career

15:28

record, which is the actual worst

15:31

of the current NFL owners in terms of winning

15:33

record. He puts him at a point three two

15:35

nine percent winning percentage. How

15:38

does David Tepper, who is a billionaire,

15:40

super successful, incredible man, philanthropists

15:43

and a lot of respects, he's over

15:45

tinkering with his NFL team and with your

15:47

dynasty roster. You can do the same thing. David

15:50

Tepper, when he first started out with the Panthers, made all these

15:52

big dynamic moves right away to usher

15:55

in change. But a year or two later

15:57

he just makes big, crazy

15:59

moves to sure and change from the change he previously

16:01

made. So Dylan, I want to pose

16:04

this question to you, where have

16:06

you over tinkered this season?

16:09

That is a loaded question because we're in a league

16:12

together, and you can call me tinker Bell because

16:14

I overtinkered my right way out

16:16

of any contention, and that that

16:19

league is the Acht Club. So

16:23

yeah, we've talked about it multiple times

16:25

on here. But at one point I had Christian McCaffrey, Travis

16:28

Etn, Dak Prescott, Alvin

16:31

Kamara. I had all these pieces to contend.

16:33

I didn't have any how Sam Howe.

16:36

I had all these guys, and in

16:38

the offseason you get bored, and when

16:40

Mike comes to Colin, I come answering,

16:43

and so we're gonna get done.

16:46

And you know what I just I overtinkered.

16:49

I traded away some players, maybe

16:52

like I traded away Kamara before he came back

16:54

from suspension. I traded away Etn before

16:56

he actually kind of consecutively

16:58

put these great games together. And so I

17:00

overtinkered. I have to you

17:03

know, you make your bed, you got to lay in it. So that's

17:05

kind of where I'm at. But overtinkering has actually screwed

17:07

me into the position that I'm in of

17:09

a rebuild.

17:10

So and you know this, you know this first no, I

17:12

do. I mean, well, and here's what I would say.

17:15

When you're in a wind now window,

17:17

it's so much easier to

17:19

overtinker, in my opinion, because you're

17:22

like, I'm one piece away, I'm one depth

17:24

piece away from feeling really good about my

17:26

chances, and so you're constantly chasing points,

17:29

You're constantly chasing an edge week to week,

17:32

and you know, as things change, oh, I had

17:34

an injury here, I need to go get that thing. I need

17:36

to go get that player. It

17:39

becomes a lot more simple to be like, wait a minute,

17:41

I just maxed out the credit card. I just burned through

17:43

all my future capital in terms of draft

17:46

picks. Now I'm in a hole. Now I'm really committed

17:48

to this, and it kind of snowballs into a

17:51

bigger situation. I wanted

17:53

to bring this up because you know,

17:55

we don't bring many people on from

17:57

our league. You know, you and I talk a lot

18:00

about our teams. We've had Davis as the value king

18:02

on and then we've had be Hunt visit one time. But

18:04

one owner in particular who

18:07

will remain nameless, but I will say he is

18:09

my golf partner. We are the defending

18:11

champs as the a z dilst to voting

18:14

invested loving fathers at

18:16

the annual golf tournament that we do. So I'm worried about

18:18

a state of mind because not only is

18:21

he the Mark Andrews owner and was looking

18:23

to make a playoff push at six and three, he lost

18:25

him this evening, he is also the Josh

18:28

Allen owner who just lost Ken Dorsey.

18:30

He is also the Deshaun Watson owner. He

18:33

is also Paullard

18:36

owner, the camp Makers owner. Yeah,

18:40

dude, and he's

18:43

done everything he could to put himself in a championship

18:46

window. And we thought going into the season, Josh

18:48

Allen, Deshaun Watson to top

18:50

ten dynasty quarterbacks, certainly Allen

18:53

a top three, Deshaun Watson

18:55

flirting with the top ten. It's all gone to

18:57

crap and rather quickly. And the question

18:59

he had to ask, okay, do

19:02

I try to kind of patch Oh? By the

19:04

way, he's also the Justin Jefferson owner. Maybe the biggest

19:06

PC has forgot some important

19:09

So when I mentioned goodwill hunting earlier,

19:12

I'm just reaching it's not it's not your fault,

19:14

buddy, it's not your fault. It's not nothing.

19:16

Listening, This is for you comfort

19:19

and to add just a little bit more salt to the womb. He

19:21

also has PJ. Walker. Oh wait,

19:23

PJ. Walker's not starting.

19:27

There's no chance. Is it

19:29

just all fell apart in one week? Right? If

19:32

he was David Tepper, he would sell Josh

19:35

Allen right now. He would go make a move to get

19:37

a win now. Player like to

19:39

me, the window for this year is completely closed.

19:41

But the question is you're at a pivotal

19:44

moment for your team. Is this a long

19:46

you know with each of those players? You know, Jefferson

19:48

Watson, Let's talk about Deshaun Watson

19:51

first, right, Deshaun Watson. It gets announced

19:53

after he had the best second half or the best

19:55

half of football he's had all season, went fourteen for

19:57

fourteen in the second half, come back win over

19:59

the Raven. He's out for the season, season

20:01

ending injury. He's obviously gonna still be in Cleveland

20:04

next year because they paid him all

20:06

the tea in China to be their starting and guaranteed

20:08

it to be their starting QB. But Deshaun

20:11

Watson, can you sell him? What

20:13

should you sell him for? Bro?

20:15

You know, you know who Deshaun Watson is. If

20:17

we gave awards on the show. I would give the Gaslight

20:20

King Award to Deshaun Watson. He

20:22

got him in his day, so

20:26

many, so many layers. We're not We're not

20:28

gonna touch it with I'm

20:30

not touching any other layer other than

20:32

he has schemed the Cleveland Browns

20:34

and to give him one of the best for him

20:37

worst contracts in the NFL. Josh

20:39

is literally crying in his handraid House.

20:41

He's a really convincing guy.

20:44

He is a very convincing

20:46

guy. And he's

20:49

also convinced Dynasty owners to not give up

20:51

on him, like after he came out and

20:53

played that way in the second half, can you really

20:56

sell him like as if you

20:58

have him as his starting Dynasty.

20:59

Quart I think you're pocumented. I think you're pum

21:01

exactly like he did. You

21:05

had if you had taken the risk,

21:07

and we've we've talked about being an early adopter.

21:09

You have to make foolish trades at foolish times if

21:11

you're gonna have this crazy winning trade in

21:14

the long term, because things are gonna look stupid when

21:16

you do them if they are actually a genius move.

21:19

If you had traded to Shan Watson for an

21:21

injured Kyler Murray at the start of the season. Today,

21:24

dude, you look.

21:25

Like a genius.

21:25

Dude, Kyler Murray, way more stable situation, Kyler

21:28

Murray with a great playoff schedule, But there was so

21:30

much no one. No one did that right with

21:32

the Shawn, we can't look in a crystal ball. Obviously

21:35

he's gonna be with Cleveland next year. But

21:38

if you had to sell him, Dylan, let's say you wanted

21:40

to tinker and and be David Tepper,

21:42

but not mess it up right. Sometimes

21:45

you know the difference between Jerry Jones and David Tepper. Imagine

21:47

Jerry Jones doesn't sell herschel Walker

21:49

in the nineties and the Cowboys aren't able to have

21:51

their dynasty. You know what I mean. Maybe he doesn't, maybe

21:54

he's not still with the Cowboys, right. It's being

21:56

dynamic is fun, especially and you and

21:58

I were trade a Hollocks. You just said

22:00

it. Anytime Mike comes a call and I come

22:03

in answering, because you want to scratch the

22:05

itch for a deal that makes your team better. If

22:08

this owner wants to scratch that itch, what trade

22:10

should he make, if he should make any at all?

22:13

Oh man, that's that's a tough one, Uh,

22:16

if you can. The hard

22:18

part is going to be selling Deshaun Watson, right Like

22:20

you've got to sell him if you're meaning

22:22

like sell him to someone like say this

22:24

is why you want to get de Shan Watson. But if

22:27

I can, I would probably go and try and

22:29

trade. If you're a contender, Oh,

22:31

this is gonna sound ugly. I would probably try

22:33

to trade Deshaun Watson for a Derek

22:35

Carr plus like Jared can.

22:38

Jared Goff is another good one. Jared

22:41

Goff actually is under the radar. I don't know

22:43

if you get it done, like I feel like it has to be like

22:45

maybe Russell Wilson, maybe you can get Russell Wilson.

22:47

I would probably do that.

22:49

I'd probably trace you said, Derek Carr, I was

22:51

gonna bring up, would you would you trade Deshaun Watson

22:53

for Jordan Love straight up? They're gonna be similar

22:55

in KTC value Deshaun Watson at fall just

22:57

trade at seventeen. I don't know if

22:59

I I don't know if I would do it.

23:01

I would, well, I mean, if you're a contender,

23:03

and that's like if you're like we talked about the owner

23:06

in our league, like he doesn't have a choice. He's got his backup

23:09

though who he thought was the backup, p J. Walker.

23:11

No, if he wants to if he wants to go do something

23:13

in playoffs, like he has to eat,

23:16

Yeah, he should come.

23:17

Talk to me and come get Derek Carr. Like that's what That's

23:19

what I'm saying.

23:19

He should come talk to me and come get Jordan. But

23:23

to answer your.

23:23

Question, I don't think I would. I

23:27

think I would. I think I would. I would trade Deshaun

23:29

Watson for Jordan Love. I think I

23:31

would do that if I was a contender. Oh no,

23:33

that sounds so gross.

23:35

It's good to hear you saying, so would

23:37

you trade Deshaun Watson for I'm

23:41

trying to think of another name that's over

23:43

man. There's been a lot of quarterback injuries too, because

23:45

like I was gonna say, you know, two three weeks ago, Sam Howe,

23:48

that you probably could have gotten that done.

23:49

There's no chance you're the chance for getting that done. Geno

23:51

Smith, you could. Maybe you could do Geno Smith, But I

23:54

don't even think I like Ten Smith. Yeah.

23:56

Or Baker Mayfield. Yeah, Baker Mayfield maybe.

24:01

Yeah, that's a tough one. I don't think you sell him. I really

24:03

don't, because the long term contract gives

24:05

him long term value.

24:06

Let me ask you this then, like, if you're in the same situation

24:08

as that manager, if you're not going to sell him, do you

24:11

just kind of call it quits for the season? Pack

24:13

it up?

24:13

And I think that's I think that's

24:15

what he has to do because and and you

24:17

know, we chatted about this before the show. I was asking him.

24:20

I was like, well, you have Josh Allen. Do you take a you

24:22

know, Josh Allen losing Ken Dorsey

24:24

Stefon Diggs is maybe gonna be a

24:26

cowboy next season. He's already sub tweeting,

24:28

He's like through the brother like Jerry,

24:30

what's out? Do you trade Josh Allen

24:33

to one of the top two like

24:35

contenders? Try to give them an edge over

24:37

one another. And you know, one of the top two contenders

24:40

has a Trevor Lawrence, one of the top two contenders

24:42

has a Joe Burrow. Do you say, hey,

24:44

I know which the other? You know? I know

24:46

you have Joe Burrow, I have Josh Allen?

24:49

Like something to be done there? Yeah?

24:51

Maybe yeah? Is there something in that? Or

24:53

I think it's a lost season And take it on

24:55

the chin and say, hey, it is what it is. I

24:57

shot my shot, I will I will restart

25:00

next year with pieces to build around. Yeah.

25:02

Generally speaking, though, what I would say is,

25:06

I think you hold on to Watson, like if

25:08

you if you're in Watson manager, what

25:10

you saw in the second half of that game, what

25:13

we saw through the season. Yes, it didn't look great,

25:15

but there was optimism, and I think

25:18

you can't trade him right now because you're gonna

25:20

get scrapped. So at this point, I say you have

25:22

to kind of hold on to him and maybe

25:25

in the off season you'll get some more hype and you can sell

25:27

him then, But at this point, just hold.

25:29

Let me So, let's just go through this guy's roster, some of

25:31

the losses he's had, He's lost

25:34

Justin Jefferson for a period of time. Do you sell Justin Jefferson

25:36

right now? No?

25:37

No, you don't sell Justin Jefferson.

25:38

Do you sell Mark Andrews?

25:40

Uh? I

25:43

mean, if we're talking about that situational

25:45

it's yeah, it's yeah, depending depending.

25:49

See the market for Andrews, but

25:51

it's also who buys

25:53

a twenty eight year old win. Yeah,

25:56

it's like the market's gone, you know. And that's

25:58

the other thing is you get closer. We're our

26:00

trade deadline is week thirteen, and a lot

26:02

of dynasty leagues experience this as you get closer

26:04

to playoffs, and as you get closer to trade, like

26:07

the amount of buyers decreases,

26:09

the price you can charge certainly

26:11

increases those individual people who only have one

26:13

or two places to go for a certain type of trade.

26:16

Yeah, massive deals get done, but it's not like the markets.

26:18

It's not the off season. Everyone's not buying

26:20

for any given reason.

26:22

I also think real quick, I think

26:24

when it comes to injuries, I think we overreact

26:26

sometimes to injuries. We played dynasty fantasy football,

26:29

Like if you have all these injuries in the

26:31

NFL, when they have all these injuries, do you see

26:33

them just selling the farm? No, we played

26:35

dynasty. DA Temper does well,

26:38

that's true, and I

26:40

get that, But like this with this manager

26:42

in particular, like he has solid pieces, there's

26:44

missing pieces of sure, but like, don't sell

26:47

the farm if you don't have to try to build

26:49

and work with what you have, because I mean with the Josh Allen

26:51

and Justin Jefferson, Mark Andrews, like that's

26:53

a good foundation. Like, that's a great

26:56

foundation, go.

26:57

And see what you can do. I think that's

26:59

really that that needs and should be the

27:01

takeaway because on the flip side of Ken Dorsey

27:03

getting fired, I didn't talk about this, Joe

27:06

Brady is taking over his offensive coordinator,

27:08

connecting back to David Tepper, who we should

27:10

all relate to. He was fired

27:13

by Matt Ruhle. He was the offensive coordinator

27:15

for a short time in Carolina, but Matt Rule was

27:17

scared that he was going to get fired, so he fired

27:19

Joe Brady instead. Joe Brady was Joe Burrows

27:22

coordinator at LSU when they had that crazy

27:24

season. I've always been a Joe Brady fan. I'm excited

27:26

to see him what he can do with

27:29

Josh Allen and also James Cook and the other pieces

27:31

of that offense. So there's always a silver

27:33

lining if you're patient enough. The reason I

27:36

wanted to bring this owner up and I wanted to go through all those players

27:38

though, and is like, it's hard not to

27:40

make moves for guys like you and I. The hardest

27:42

part about dynasty is the delayed

27:45

gratification piece. It's also knowing

27:47

when to take a risk because you have to at some

27:49

point, you can't sit and hold still

27:51

in just draft. Players like you and Mike make fun of

27:53

me all the time. I can't trade back into a championship

27:56

for five years. I can't just continue to acquire

27:59

first round picksuddenly, all right,

28:01

here's your trophy. I have to spend those picks,

28:03

right. So, I think my question is we moved

28:05

to Josh Allen, what can you expect, not just

28:07

the rest of the season. If Stefon

28:10

Diggs were to leave, Let's say it all goes to crap,

28:12

because with this owner's luck, it's

28:15

trend dig like it's all going to go to crap based

28:17

on this week. If Josh Allen loses

28:19

Stefon Diggs, how much of a hit does his production

28:21

and dynasty value take him being

28:23

in his prime at twenty seven years old.

28:27

I mean, it's pretty significant because

28:29

I would think there's a correlation

28:32

between Alan's boom weeks and diggs

28:34

boom weeks. And we've seen Alan struggle this

28:36

year, specifically with interceptions

28:38

and yeah, just making very

28:41

very poor decisions. Now, I think part of that can help

28:43

with Joe Brady and more coaching coming alongside

28:45

him.

28:46

But like Ken Dorsey getting James Cook

28:48

going yeah, and getting.

28:49

James Cook going yeah. Ken Dorsey stepped in for day

28:51

Ball and Dave Ball obviously had something

28:54

going with Alan that was great. Then we saw

28:56

him kind of struggle a little bit. So I don't know if it's

28:58

a coaching thing. But as for Josh Allen, he's

29:00

still Josh Allen until he's not Josh Allen for me.

29:02

So I'm not going to panic even when

29:04

he loses if he no, he's going to lose

29:06

Steffan Diggs at some point when he loses Steffon

29:09

Diggs, I'm not panicking on Allen. I think

29:11

he's a good enough quarterback to figure it out.

29:13

And he's still going to give you rushing production and rushing

29:15

upside and he's making it happen with Shakir and

29:19

Gabe Davis and now he's got Kincaid, so I think

29:21

he's fine.

29:23

Yeah, So he should hold to all the pieces

29:25

that he's lost, take, you know, eat his lumps,

29:27

not over tinker recess refresh.

29:30

This is a perfect This is such a good example

29:32

of like, don't overtinker because it's so

29:34

easy to like we've talked about and highlighted like

29:36

this whole section is like it's

29:39

so easy to overtinker but like and sell

29:41

those guys, like a lot of those guys. But like, does

29:43

he really have to maybe to

29:46

trade the one?

29:48

Like, Yeah, I think it comes to

29:51

here's when you should trade a player. And I'm learning

29:53

this more and more. You shouldn't trade a player just

29:55

because there's a market for a player. You should

29:57

trade away a player if the market is higher than

29:59

your in that player, whenever, whatever that

30:01

line is, right, Like, we've talked famously about

30:04

my love of Justin Fields. Jordan loved

30:06

George Pickens, like the what I see

30:08

in George Pickens, the market has never been

30:11

Like here's Josh's belief in George

30:13

Pickens. I'm holding for those of you audio only, I'm holding

30:15

my hand very high. Now I'm using my other hand

30:18

higher than the previously held hand where

30:20

my belief was. The market has never

30:22

been higher than my belief in him.

30:25

Right, So I think Deshaun Watson would

30:27

be the only one to me, that's interesting. If there's a

30:29

believer out there that will give you multiple first

30:32

in twenty four, you know, maybe

30:35

that's something you need to reroll with because you've

30:37

talked about it at length Deshaun

30:40

Watson looks nothing like the Deshaun

30:42

Watson of old pre uh, you

30:44

know, controversy, pre you

30:47

know, early years with the Texans. He doesn't seem

30:50

like he's that guy anymore.

30:51

And well, I think you've got a temper

30:53

expectations for him, Like, if you're expecting him to

30:55

be that, you're only going to be disappointed.

30:58

Well, the Cleveland Browns certainly were, and so I think

31:00

many of us in the Dynasty community certainly were.

31:03

Yes, this is my this is my PSA. If you

31:05

are expecting Deshaun Watson to be a top

31:07

five quarterback and A that's what you want

31:09

to trade him away for. If you're going to trade him or

31:11

B you're expecting him to be that on your

31:14

team, you're stuck with him like you're stuck with him,

31:16

like you're you're not gonna be able to deal him because no one's going to

31:18

pay that top five upside, No one

31:20

believes in that.

31:21

All that being said, tinkering

31:24

is something that you're damned

31:26

if you do. You're damned if you don't. It's easy

31:28

to fault temper because we can see his career

31:30

record, you know, Dylan, for you and I our

31:32

career records. They're going to become public as you

31:35

know, and more widely known as this show

31:37

grows. So hopefully all the moves

31:39

we make are seen as dynamic long

31:42

term. You know, franchise changing in

31:44

the best way, and you know, fantasy receipts

31:46

doesn't keep all of our swings and our misses.

31:49

But we've had a few this season, and no doubt

31:51

we're going to have a few more. Thank you for listening

31:53

to another episode of The Dynasty Exchange.

31:56

We look forward to the rest of

31:58

the season, even though this Thursday

32:01

night definitely made me regret this hobby in

32:03

more ways than one. I will rally

32:05

and we will be back on Monday.

32:07

Thanks again.

32:08

Oh yeah, Bright

32:12

the cdp up