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Beware of H

Released Monday, 20th May 2024
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Monday, 20th May 2024
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Now if you're in healthcare, you've probably gone

0:02

through all kinds of basic science training. And

0:05

during that time, you learned a ton of

0:07

diseases and microbiology and a lot of things

0:09

that sounded the same. When I

0:11

was studying for my first exam, which was called

0:13

the USMLE Step 1, I remember

0:16

waking up in the middle of the

0:18

night and trying to remember the differences

0:20

between miparidine and morphine and other different

0:22

medications that started with the letter M.

0:24

Obviously, I was dealing with some anxiety about

0:26

the test. But so many things sound

0:29

the same. So much so that

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our electronic medical records have warnings to

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make sure we're ordering the right medications.

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And so I noticed this week that I

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had some patients with some conditions that

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they thought was one thing, but it turned out

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to be another. And those all have

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to do with some dermatologic conditions known

0:47

as herpetic wittelow, herpangina, and

0:49

hand, foot, and mouth disease. These three

0:51

conditions get mixed up a lot by people. They

0:53

all kind of sound the same because they have

0:55

the same letter H. But let's go

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through them so that when your patients present

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out with them, you can help alleviate some

1:02

of their anxieties and help them understand what's

1:04

going on. I'm Dr. Nikhil Sanpal, your friendly

1:06

neighborhood internist and gastroenterologist, and we're basically going

1:08

to be doing it like Sesame Street.

1:10

This week's letter, the letter H. Now

1:26

our first condition this week is a

1:28

skin condition known as herpetic wittelow. And

1:31

it's a viral infection, and yes, the

1:33

herpetic term is accurate because it's caused

1:35

by herpes simplex one or two. Now

1:38

it actually affects young children very commonly under the age

1:40

of 10. And then of course

1:42

adults who may have come in contact with those children

1:44

who were in their 20s, 30s, and

1:46

40s. Herpetic wittelow is primarily

1:49

caused by HSV1 in children, but

1:51

an adult can be either one

1:53

or two. And how does it

1:55

spread? Well, it turns out it's

1:57

direct contact with those secretions. The

2:00

lot of times patients themselves me and

2:02

come in contact with children you see

2:04

a lot of health care workers who

2:06

work in pediatrics or who work in

2:08

childcare centers for may have children who

2:10

are and is symptomatic carriers or may

2:13

have some lesions get spread through direct

2:15

digital contact with these mansions. And

2:17

so what does that look like? While prophetic when

2:19

Low is exactly what you think it's

2:21

a cluster of the schools or even

2:23

a single mystical itself. But here's what's

2:26

weird. Business. Circles themselves typically

2:28

only are on the fingers and

2:30

the facts either the tips of

2:32

the digits, the actual pulp of the

2:34

digits or can even be along with

2:37

some or first index finger. Now for

2:39

most patients these lesions usually appear in

2:41

about to the fifteen days basically couple

2:44

weeks after inoculation and usually they'll

2:46

have those vessels that appear. Some patients

2:48

may even have some tingling in burning

2:50

as this is affecting the nerve tissue

2:53

in that area. Some patients may have

2:55

some be symptoms like flu. Like illness

2:57

and seaver. But more often than not,

2:59

the blisters and vessels are the primary

3:01

findings. Now the. Of thing

3:04

the patients may describes he is that

3:06

if these blisters rupture, they may have

3:08

some sort of sarah singleness or even

3:10

non puerile and fluid released and the

3:12

tissue itself looks kind of like a

3:14

honeycomb. This is basically diagnostic for her

3:16

pet acquittal. Oh, and the diagnosis itself

3:18

is one hundred percent clinical. You.

3:20

Could do an old school test like a

3:22

zinc smear with that kind of been retired.

3:25

We don't really do that anymore, primarily into

3:27

a viral culture which is the most sensitive,

3:29

but again, some patients totally like that because

3:31

it requires one to four days for positive

3:33

results and more often than not, it doesn't

3:35

really change management. The. Reason why

3:37

is because the cheap enough for pedic with

3:40

alone is just conservative. it's gonna go away

3:42

and two to four weeks and the most

3:44

patients will just tell him to put some

3:46

ice on it and rest the hands of

3:48

a taxi. Painful but to keep their hands

3:51

clean and dry and try a present for

3:53

the transmission of infection especially if them open

3:55

lesions or actual vesicles that leaking and that

3:57

case and we probably recommend some tried pressing.

4:00

Now. I'm a common question that I get asked

4:02

on rounds. It's for these patients who have

4:04

for pedic with alone do we do anything about

4:07

it? Can we use a cycle of your

4:09

medications? The. Answer is we don't really

4:11

know. There isn't a lot of data. Yes,

4:13

There is some possibility that giving these

4:16

medications while their approach almost symptoms can

4:18

actually certain the duration of symptoms and

4:20

prevent for the viral setting. So then

4:23

why did I just say it's conservative?

4:25

It turns out some evidence is there

4:27

for oral antiviral therapy in patients who

4:29

have prophetic little plus other primary hs

4:32

the infection sites or if they're having

4:34

for current up adequate alone assistant getting

4:36

better in that case giving them a

4:39

cycle of your can be helpful. Now.

4:41

The next condition that comes up with

4:43

an H is gonna be one that

4:45

the board exams love and it's basically

4:47

a skin infection that goes along with

4:50

herpes that occurs on the face, neck,

4:52

and arms. But. Why is such a

4:54

board favorite? Because. It's a very common

4:56

amongst wrestlers and rugby players and the

4:58

reason why. Are. One of the may

5:00

have this the secular a partial rash

5:02

and when they get in close contact

5:05

with one another through their sporting events,

5:07

they actually end up having it exposed

5:09

to. When that happens, it spreads during

5:11

matches spell lot of times the wrestlers

5:13

or rugby players don't realize that they

5:15

have herpes. clearly a torah which actually

5:17

gets misdiagnosed. as for which latest or

5:19

even at times they think they have.

5:21

And to tiger now why is the

5:23

com Gladly it's harm, the gladiators fight

5:25

and sort of the wrestlers. Sometimes his

5:27

name's pretty awesome, but the condition itself

5:29

fucks and. so for this again treatments

5:31

conservative and very similar to her pet

5:33

acquittal no one condition that masquerades like

5:35

for panic with low or even herpes

5:38

that he a term is going to

5:40

simply be decide sonic eczema to the

5:42

very common looking thing that occurs and

5:44

people with very dry skin and it

5:47

looks like actual vesicles but it's not

5:49

and suspect commonly misdiagnosed another a topic

5:51

dermatitis that occurs and patience with hs

5:53

to eat is known as eggs them

5:56

propelled them as also formerly called capo

5:58

c marisela form corruption It's very

6:00

commonly seen on the boards and sometimes

6:02

obviously in real life conditions as well

6:05

in patients who are immunosuppressive agents to

6:07

help control some kind of primary dermatologic

6:09

condition. So as you can see,

6:11

there's all kinds of things that happen with the

6:13

letter H and very easy to confuse them. It's

6:16

not as easy to confuse Q, which

6:18

is basically the James Bond character who's

6:20

the head of research and development and

6:23

makes all the cool over-the-top inventions like

6:25

pens that blow up and, you know,

6:27

Rolex watches with laser beams in them.

6:29

But of course I digress. Now

6:32

our last two H's are very commonly

6:34

mistaken. Hand, foot, and mouth disease and

6:36

heart bandgina. And they occur in kids,

6:38

but they can happen in adults as

6:40

well. In fact, we're moving into

6:42

the season in which you may see a lot

6:44

of hand, foot, and mouth disease and heart bandgina.

6:46

They typically occur in the summer and early autumn.

6:48

Part of this might just because kids are playing

6:51

outside and part of this has to do with

6:53

the viral transmission timelines. Now how does it

6:55

get spread? Well both of them

6:57

are typically spread worse than a person

6:59

through either transmission by oral or respiratory

7:01

secretions. So who's causing these

7:03

viral infections in the summer months when

7:06

we should be playing outside? Well hand,

7:08

foot, and mouth disease is primarily caused

7:10

by enterovirus, while heart bandgina is primarily

7:13

caused by cocsacki viruses. So

7:15

if these are different viruses, why are they

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so commonly confused? It turns out that they

7:19

both have oral lesions in the mouth. But

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let's go over each one individually to see

7:23

how they differ. You see,

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typical hand, foot, and mouth disease has these

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painful lesions on the tongue and the buccal

7:30

mucosa. Sometimes they're so painful

7:32

they can't even eat or have any oral intake.

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And they'll also have a macular,

7:36

popular, or even vesicular rash on

7:38

the hands, feet, buttocks, and extremities.

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That's why you can see it kind of all goes together

7:43

with our topic of H. In fact, I'm

7:45

going to title this Beware of H. Why

7:47

not? Now cocsacki, hand,

7:50

foot, and mouth disease also causes

7:52

high fevers. The vesicular

7:54

bullus lesions can actually cause

7:56

ulcerations, palmar desclamations, and even

7:58

nail distribution. So it can be very

8:01

very severe and of course there can

8:03

be fevers as well So the kids

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will be very very irritable which makes

8:07

it very difficult for kids because it's

8:09

painful now This is in stark contrast

8:11

to herpanjina You want to think of

8:13

herpanjina as oral lesions on the tonsils

8:16

soft palate and high fevers It can

8:18

also be associated with loss of appetite

8:20

and vomiting, but those are primarily the

8:22

things So how do you tell

8:24

them apart? You're not going to have a rash

8:26

with herpanjina Hand, foot and mouth

8:28

disease has that macular popular rash and if

8:30

it's really severe with coccyx A6 They

8:33

can have a vesicular bullish rash as well So

8:36

why am I being so deliberate about which

8:38

one has oral lesions? Where are they and

8:40

who has a rash? Because the diagnosis of

8:42

both hand, foot and mouth disease and herpanjina

8:44

is made clinically First you're gonna look at

8:46

the oral enanthem in other words Where are

8:48

the lesions in the mouth and second you're

8:50

gonna look for that viral exanthem And that's

8:52

really all there is to get the diagnosis.

8:55

How do you treat them? Well, they're both

8:57

basically treated the same way most Uncomplicated

8:59

cases of hand, foot and mouth in

9:01

herpanjina resolved within about a week The

9:04

management is pretty supportive you can treat the

9:06

pain that the kids have with ibuprofen or

9:08

acetaminophen And you might be wondering

9:10

well, what about adults? It turns out adults can

9:13

get hand, foot and mouth disease Rare

9:15

for them to develop herpanjina But it's primarily

9:17

from probably taking care of their kids or

9:20

someone else's kids in the workplace Who already

9:22

have hand, foot and mouth disease and

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with that ladies and gentlemen brings to the

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end of the terrible H's We might pick

9:28

another letter in the future, but that brings

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us to the end of this podcast I'm

9:33

dr. Nikhet Sanpal your friendly namehood internist and

9:35

gastroenterologist. I hope you enjoyed this episode. I'll

9:37

see you next time You

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