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Now if you're in healthcare, you've probably gone
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through all kinds of basic science training. And
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during that time, you learned a ton of
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diseases and microbiology and a lot of things
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that sounded the same. When I
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was studying for my first exam, which was called
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the USMLE Step 1, I remember
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waking up in the middle of the
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night and trying to remember the differences
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between miparidine and morphine and other different
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medications that started with the letter M.
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Obviously, I was dealing with some anxiety about
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the test. But so many things sound
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the same. So much so that
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our electronic medical records have warnings to
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make sure we're ordering the right medications.
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And so I noticed this week that I
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had some patients with some conditions that
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they thought was one thing, but it turned out
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to be another. And those all have
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to do with some dermatologic conditions known
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as herpetic wittelow, herpangina, and
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hand, foot, and mouth disease. These three
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conditions get mixed up a lot by people. They
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all kind of sound the same because they have
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the same letter H. But let's go
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through them so that when your patients present
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out with them, you can help alleviate some
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of their anxieties and help them understand what's
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going on. I'm Dr. Nikhil Sanpal, your friendly
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neighborhood internist and gastroenterologist, and we're basically going
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to be doing it like Sesame Street.
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This week's letter, the letter H. Now
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our first condition this week is a
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skin condition known as herpetic wittelow. And
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it's a viral infection, and yes, the
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herpetic term is accurate because it's caused
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by herpes simplex one or two. Now
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it actually affects young children very commonly under the age
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of 10. And then of course
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adults who may have come in contact with those children
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who were in their 20s, 30s, and
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40s. Herpetic wittelow is primarily
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caused by HSV1 in children, but
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an adult can be either one
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or two. And how does it
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spread? Well, it turns out it's
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direct contact with those secretions. The
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lot of times patients themselves me and
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come in contact with children you see
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a lot of health care workers who
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work in pediatrics or who work in
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childcare centers for may have children who
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are and is symptomatic carriers or may
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have some lesions get spread through direct
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digital contact with these mansions. And
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so what does that look like? While prophetic when
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Low is exactly what you think it's
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a cluster of the schools or even
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a single mystical itself. But here's what's
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weird. Business. Circles themselves typically
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only are on the fingers and
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the facts either the tips of
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the digits, the actual pulp of the
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digits or can even be along with
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some or first index finger. Now for
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most patients these lesions usually appear in
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about to the fifteen days basically couple
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weeks after inoculation and usually they'll
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have those vessels that appear. Some patients
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may even have some tingling in burning
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as this is affecting the nerve tissue
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in that area. Some patients may have
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some be symptoms like flu. Like illness
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and seaver. But more often than not,
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the blisters and vessels are the primary
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findings. Now the. Of thing
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the patients may describes he is that
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if these blisters rupture, they may have
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some sort of sarah singleness or even
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non puerile and fluid released and the
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tissue itself looks kind of like a
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honeycomb. This is basically diagnostic for her
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pet acquittal. Oh, and the diagnosis itself
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is one hundred percent clinical. You.
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Could do an old school test like a
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zinc smear with that kind of been retired.
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We don't really do that anymore, primarily into
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a viral culture which is the most sensitive,
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but again, some patients totally like that because
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it requires one to four days for positive
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results and more often than not, it doesn't
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really change management. The. Reason why
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is because the cheap enough for pedic with
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alone is just conservative. it's gonna go away
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and two to four weeks and the most
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patients will just tell him to put some
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ice on it and rest the hands of
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a taxi. Painful but to keep their hands
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clean and dry and try a present for
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the transmission of infection especially if them open
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lesions or actual vesicles that leaking and that
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case and we probably recommend some tried pressing.
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Now. I'm a common question that I get asked
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on rounds. It's for these patients who have
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for pedic with alone do we do anything about
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it? Can we use a cycle of your
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medications? The. Answer is we don't really
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know. There isn't a lot of data. Yes,
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There is some possibility that giving these
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medications while their approach almost symptoms can
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actually certain the duration of symptoms and
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prevent for the viral setting. So then
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why did I just say it's conservative?
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It turns out some evidence is there
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for oral antiviral therapy in patients who
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have prophetic little plus other primary hs
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the infection sites or if they're having
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for current up adequate alone assistant getting
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better in that case giving them a
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cycle of your can be helpful. Now.
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The next condition that comes up with
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an H is gonna be one that
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the board exams love and it's basically
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a skin infection that goes along with
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herpes that occurs on the face, neck,
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and arms. But. Why is such a
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board favorite? Because. It's a very common
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amongst wrestlers and rugby players and the
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reason why. Are. One of the may
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have this the secular a partial rash
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and when they get in close contact
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with one another through their sporting events,
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they actually end up having it exposed
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to. When that happens, it spreads during
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matches spell lot of times the wrestlers
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or rugby players don't realize that they
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have herpes. clearly a torah which actually
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gets misdiagnosed. as for which latest or
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even at times they think they have.
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And to tiger now why is the
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com Gladly it's harm, the gladiators fight
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and sort of the wrestlers. Sometimes his
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name's pretty awesome, but the condition itself
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fucks and. so for this again treatments
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conservative and very similar to her pet
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acquittal no one condition that masquerades like
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for panic with low or even herpes
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that he a term is going to
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simply be decide sonic eczema to the
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very common looking thing that occurs and
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people with very dry skin and it
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looks like actual vesicles but it's not
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and suspect commonly misdiagnosed another a topic
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dermatitis that occurs and patience with hs
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to eat is known as eggs them
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propelled them as also formerly called capo
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c marisela form corruption It's very
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commonly seen on the boards and sometimes
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obviously in real life conditions as well
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in patients who are immunosuppressive agents to
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help control some kind of primary dermatologic
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condition. So as you can see,
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there's all kinds of things that happen with the
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letter H and very easy to confuse them. It's
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not as easy to confuse Q, which
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is basically the James Bond character who's
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the head of research and development and
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makes all the cool over-the-top inventions like
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pens that blow up and, you know,
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Rolex watches with laser beams in them.
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But of course I digress. Now
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our last two H's are very commonly
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mistaken. Hand, foot, and mouth disease and
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heart bandgina. And they occur in kids,
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but they can happen in adults as
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well. In fact, we're moving into
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the season in which you may see a lot
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of hand, foot, and mouth disease and heart bandgina.
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They typically occur in the summer and early autumn.
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Part of this might just because kids are playing
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outside and part of this has to do with
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the viral transmission timelines. Now how does it
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get spread? Well both of them
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are typically spread worse than a person
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through either transmission by oral or respiratory
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secretions. So who's causing these
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viral infections in the summer months when
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we should be playing outside? Well hand,
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foot, and mouth disease is primarily caused
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by enterovirus, while heart bandgina is primarily
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caused by cocsacki viruses. So
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if these are different viruses, why are they
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so commonly confused? It turns out that they
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both have oral lesions in the mouth. But
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let's go over each one individually to see
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how they differ. You see,
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typical hand, foot, and mouth disease has these
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painful lesions on the tongue and the buccal
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mucosa. Sometimes they're so painful
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they can't even eat or have any oral intake.
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And they'll also have a macular,
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popular, or even vesicular rash on
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the hands, feet, buttocks, and extremities.
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That's why you can see it kind of all goes together
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with our topic of H. In fact, I'm
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going to title this Beware of H. Why
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not? Now cocsacki, hand,
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foot, and mouth disease also causes
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high fevers. The vesicular
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bullus lesions can actually cause
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ulcerations, palmar desclamations, and even
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nail distribution. So it can be very
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very severe and of course there can
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be fevers as well So the kids
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will be very very irritable which makes
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it very difficult for kids because it's
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painful now This is in stark contrast
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to herpanjina You want to think of
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herpanjina as oral lesions on the tonsils
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soft palate and high fevers It can
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also be associated with loss of appetite
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and vomiting, but those are primarily the
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things So how do you tell
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them apart? You're not going to have a rash
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with herpanjina Hand, foot and mouth
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disease has that macular popular rash and if
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it's really severe with coccyx A6 They
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can have a vesicular bullish rash as well So
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why am I being so deliberate about which
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one has oral lesions? Where are they and
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who has a rash? Because the diagnosis of
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both hand, foot and mouth disease and herpanjina
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is made clinically First you're gonna look at
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the oral enanthem in other words Where are
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the lesions in the mouth and second you're
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gonna look for that viral exanthem And that's
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really all there is to get the diagnosis.
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How do you treat them? Well, they're both
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basically treated the same way most Uncomplicated
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cases of hand, foot and mouth in
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herpanjina resolved within about a week The
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management is pretty supportive you can treat the
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pain that the kids have with ibuprofen or
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acetaminophen And you might be wondering
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well, what about adults? It turns out adults can
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get hand, foot and mouth disease Rare
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for them to develop herpanjina But it's primarily
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from probably taking care of their kids or
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someone else's kids in the workplace Who already
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have hand, foot and mouth disease and
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with that ladies and gentlemen brings to the
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end of the terrible H's We might pick
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another letter in the future, but that brings
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us to the end of this podcast I'm
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dr. Nikhet Sanpal your friendly namehood internist and
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gastroenterologist. I hope you enjoyed this episode. I'll
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see you next time You
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