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Hey everyone

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, welcome to Meemachine Talks . This

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has probably been a podcast that's 30

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years in the making . I

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say this every podcast , but today's

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guest is probably

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one of the most special ones I've

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had Our paths crossed

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by the way of YouTube . He

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lit up my little face with

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a comment in one of my videos . But

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to explain a little bit more about my guest , which

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is Matt Blair , he classes himself

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as a musician , a comedian , a film fanatic

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, an idiot which we can go into

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, and also a coffee lover , which is

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something that we can definitely

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talk about . He also has his own podcast

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, the Geek Apportium podcast

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, but I'm sure he'll come onto all of that

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. Matt Blair met

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me 30 years ago on Game

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12 , when I was very small , and he was

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slightly smaller but slightly more taller than me

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. But what a pleasure it is

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. Welcome , matt , to Meemachine

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Talks , a podcast . I never thought would happen

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, but here we are . How are you today

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?

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I'm good . Thank you very much for having me . It's

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lovely to see you again after 30

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odd years . Yeah , it's lovely .

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Yeah , it's a very surreal

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moment . I've been thinking about this since I

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first invited you to the podcast because

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I just didn't know what it would be like , because I mean I was

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casting my memory back and I

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mean there are snapshots that

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I remember of Game 12

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. I remember the important

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parts I guess you could say , but

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I don't remember . Yeah , exactly , well

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, winning that part

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. I didn't win the Grand Final , unfortunately , but anyway

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, that's for another time . But

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I did beat Big Boy Barry recently . So

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have you not seen that video ?

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No , I haven't .

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I'll tell you about that story in a moment . So most people

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know that I had this picture taken in 2019

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, before the world went to shit and

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that was just after I beat him at the game

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that he beat me out at Games World so well

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that's lovely , that's cool there we

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go the Games World Reunion . There we go

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. So , yes

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, I mean , I remember honestly

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very little about our show . I

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think there are certain snapshots

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in my mind that do appear back

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. But one thing I wanted to know because it's

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very interesting to hear everybody's input

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was how did you get invited

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into Games World and how did you get onto the show ?

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So this would

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involve telling you a

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little bit about myself . It

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might feel a little , not

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like a huge downer , but at least like

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it might feel a little bit of a downer . But it's not

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meant to be , it just is . So

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it was mainly through my dad . He

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helped me out a lot

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, and so

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I'm going to now ask you , because you might be like I

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don't know Do you know who my dad is ?

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I don't know .

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The clue is in my surname . My father

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was the late Fantastic Lionel Blair

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.

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Oh , wow .

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And he

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kind of . So I found

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out that they were doing like auditions

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, like sort of like tryouts

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for Games World , and

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I have a feeling that

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, because of my dad and his presence there

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at the tryouts , I feel

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like they probably just let me through

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. Like if he wasn't there and

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I played on my own merits I'm not 100%

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I would have got through . But

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the guy that I ended up having to play

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against I remember it was a fighting

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game and I did tear him apart in it , but I don't know

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whether when I look back at it and it was

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being like I must have been 11 , 12 years

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old or something like that it's

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hard to tell whether they were just being

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nice and letting me win or

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if I was genuinely , and

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the further away I get from it , it's like

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they definitely let me win . There's no way that

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the guy the works for the tryouts

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of Games World and so easily loses

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, like , listen , I've always been a gamer

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and I've always loved playing games , but

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I've never been amazingly

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good at games . I just

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enjoy playing them . There are some games I am

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very good at , but most

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of them I don't care that much

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. But I have a feeling that this

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guy just let me through , and

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then that was sort of it . I'm trying to

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, I desperately try to remember

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exactly where those tryouts

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were held , but I can't

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think for the life of me where they were . I

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think it was like Bromley , maybe I don't know

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, though I'm just picking that name out of the air

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.

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So the only thing that I , at first of all

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, I can't believe I'm talking

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to Lionel Blair's son . That hasn't

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quite sunk in yet , but I'll let

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that marinate in my mind for a

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minute . But

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yeah , the only thing I do remember was the actual

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Games World set

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was in a old Sarsons vinegar

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brewery which I think was in East London

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. As for the tryouts , do you know what

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I think ? Do you know what I'm going to do

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? Live on the air . I'm going to message

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my brother because he came with

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me , because he had the trial

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as well . He actually got into the show and got kicked

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out in the first round . Sorry

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, brother , Let me just ask

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him now Do you remember

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where the Games World

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tryouts

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were in London

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? This is going to be fantastic , because he's normally

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got a memory elephany

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. You just remember random facts . I'm fascinated

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to see if he's going to get back to me . But yeah

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, I definitely remember East

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London Sarsons vinegar brewery

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because I remember my dad talking to one of

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the backstage staff about it . But

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I firmly remember the tryouts being

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on like some second or third

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floor office type space

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and there was like a waiting area and there was like consoles

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at the back and you kind of got caught up and stuff like

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that . I think the

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beating up they had

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or , sorry , the fighting game they had running I think

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was Super Street Fighter 2

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. The

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only reason I remember is because it

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had the new characters and as

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a kid I was like , oh , new characters , this will

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be cool , completely forgetting the fact that you

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know you're meant to be here for a flipping trial , didn't

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have a clue of any of the movesets

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and was getting absolutely massacred . And I met

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my brother going pick re who

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you mug and I was like , oh yeah , we

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have it for a tryout . And then something started

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winning . So yeah

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, I'm amazed that

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your Lionel Blair son . I honestly had no

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idea all those years have passed . That's

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absolutely insane .

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But you didn't come to the actual recording of the

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show . That's the thing . He didn't come to that , right

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, I see .

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I see , yeah , he said he can't actually Damn

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. Do you know what ? I know a man who would Alex

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Berry , big boy Barry , this guy

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, he wouldn't know . I'm going to hit

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him up off the podcast and find out where that is

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.

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It's kind of interesting because another friend of mine like one

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of my best friends ever , he

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actually went to school and I've

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forgotten his name , but he went to school with the

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kid who played Master Moriarty .

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Ah , okay .

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And I went to see him do a school play

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. My mate and Master Moriarty was

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also in the school play as well , like

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it was . Just it was a very surreal moment seeing

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like my best friend and this other like kid

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from TV .

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It was very weird yeah

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it's small world kind of thing , you know yeah

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it's been very it's been very weird

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for me because I've been on podcasts where

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Rick Henderson , the Violet Blade

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I've known him for

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pretty much since Gameswell , to be honest , and

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speaking to him after all these years

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and obviously seeing Alex after 30

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odd years and stuff , it's just , it's

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it's like a disjointed

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family that whenever you meet , everybody suddenly

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got all these connections to different people

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that you know , that they know and other people

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know . It's a very surreal

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moment . But Lionel Blair's

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son Well , I've really , I've

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really hit the high point now with this podcast

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. There we go Right

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, so we'll come on to Gameswell later . But

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what I normally do is

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open up the floor to my guests

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to talk about what they do . So

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I will let you plug anything you want

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for as long as you want , and then we'll get back on track .

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Okay , the floor is yours . I mean , wow

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, what to tell you about myself ? So before , before

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everything went

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to crap with the pandemic and everything , I've

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been working as a

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comedian , cabaret musician

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, gigging like

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in Europe . When we were

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allowed to , when I was allowed to freely work in

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Europe , that was , that was a good time

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. That was a good time . Can't do that now . And , yeah

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, we're doing gigs , we're doing festivals

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, glastonbury , download , latitude

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, all sorts of nice little bits and

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bobs . Sometimes I'd be playing drums

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, sometimes I'd be playing guitar , sometimes I'd be doing stand

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up . But I was part of this double

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act but , like 2021

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, that came to an end , the double act I've run . Now

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I've run a monthly comedy night in Chiswick

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at the Spacakville Park course , which

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is , which is lovely . And

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I do Twitch streaming . Twitch

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username Matt Blair , uk , if

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you want to . You know I do mainly at the

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moment , mainly music on Twitch , but I

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do . I do do games , but at the moment

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it's just music , because I'm sort of in the middle of a

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move and it's all been

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a bit like chaotic and I can't really settle

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with a game , if you know what I mean , because I like my story

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games and I like to play

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out the stories . I'm not one of those

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streamers that sort

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of grinds a particular game for a very long

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time . I mean I have done that on Twitch , but

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that's not my main thing . I like stories , so

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you know . I like Guardians of the Galaxy game

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, which was superb , shadow

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of the Colossus , last Guardian

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, no sorts of things , other

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stuff that I do . At the moment I work

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for Roland , which is pretty nice I like . If you

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know who Roland are , they make keyboards

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and electric drums . I work mainly for the guitar

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department , which is boss , boss

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pedals and stuff like that and what this is guitar

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product specialist , which is quite a nice

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title . I quite like that and

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other bits and bobs . You know I

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just do as much comedy , guitar playing and

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gaming as I can . That's really

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my life , that's . That's

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. That's the stuff right there . In

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terms of games , if we want to talk games

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, is that what we're going to do ?

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Well , we can talk about anything . I mean , you've got your podcast

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as well , so feel free to talk about that Well it's

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actually has ended now . How

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dare ?

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you , I know no , that we . So

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it was called the Geekitorium and

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it was it was . We

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did it . We started it during the pandemic . It

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was my great friend , rick Caranza , and

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he's a fellow comedian and

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we'd wanted to work together for ages and he already had

11:03

the podcast but he wasn't really doing anything with

11:05

it and he wanted a co-host . And then

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I was like I'm right here , dude , I'm

11:10

right here . And he was like I

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was waiting for you to offer , so I didn't have to ask

11:14

, which was a very weird thing . But

11:17

then we did that and it became

11:19

, because the whole point of the podcast was

11:21

we would watch nerdy things or read

11:23

nerdy things and then talk about them in sort of spoilery

11:25

detail and all that . But then he

11:28

had a kid and I was working

11:31

again because things opened up and it

11:34

became harder and harder to keep the podcast

11:37

going consistently . It just was really

11:39

, because a lot of people don't realize it's not just

11:42

sit around , talk and put it out there . There's

11:44

the editing , there's the artwork

11:46

and promotional stuff and making clips

11:48

to promote and it's . It's a lot

11:51

of work and it

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takes a lot of time . It

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doesn't earn you any money , so

11:58

you kind of have to try and justify

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it and when you run out of ways to justify

12:02

it , it was like we kind of need

12:05

to stop the podcast and it's a shame because

12:07

we miss talking to each other on that weekly

12:09

basis , but we don't miss the admin

12:13

. So it's tricky stuff

12:15

. It's tricky stuff . So , yeah

12:17

, but you can listen to the old episodes , the geeky tour

12:19

, what's on Apple and Spotify and anchor

12:21

and all the other places . So you know , check

12:24

it out . If you want to hear

12:26

us talk about episodes

12:28

of TV shows that were finished

12:31

two years ago . You know , if you want to hear

12:33

our views on She-Hulk and our

12:35

views on Picard and Obi-Wan

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, yeah , you can . You can listen to our podcast .

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Awesome . Well , there we go , there we go . It's

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going to sound like a really weird question to us . Have you always

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lived in Chiswick ?

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I don't live in Chiswick . Oh

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, I'm going to be night in Chiswick .

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Oh , ok , interesting Because Chiswick isn't a

12:54

million miles away from where I live , so

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oh , OK , no . I'm in .

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Chiswick every week because I also I

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write host pub quizzes in Chiswick , which

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is every Wednesday at the same place . I'll pack halls

13:05

. So if you like a pub quiz , you

13:08

can come along , because , yeah , I put together a pub quiz

13:10

. It's it's , it's a bit of fun . It's only a couple of quid

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person . So , yeah , it's it's

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, it's , it's good . And yeah , I just

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run a comedy night there . I live sort of like near

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Wimbledon , so I'm sort of South London . I'm South

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London and I work in central

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London , so I'm very

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London based . But

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yeah , no Chiswick . I've been doing the quiz at

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Chiswick this is 2019

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and been running

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the comedy night there since September , so

13:37

last year .

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So I will definitely be trying to make

13:41

my way there now . Now I know you're there , so now

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I've got to do , now I've got no excuse

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to come and see you now , so so

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, yeah , I mean it sounds like you've definitely

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kept your gaming head

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on since all those years ago , but

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there was a patch where I wasn't .

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There was a patch where I wasn't sort of . I

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basically kind of stopped gaming during

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the PS one era . I

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just , I just didn't , I just didn't . My friends

14:08

did know would play when I was at theirs , but it would normally

14:10

be a Virtua Fighter or Tekken

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because , you know , because friend of Mars

14:14

had a had a Dreamcast , so that's where we played

14:16

Virtua Fighter stuff . And

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then I just , I just I was more

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sort of focused on guitar and

14:23

music , college and things

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like that . So I didn't really game that much . It wasn't

14:28

until I got

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a PS two , because I

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just sort of thought I needed a DVD player

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and I thought if I'm going to get a DVD player , I

14:38

may as well have it

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be multifunctional rather than just

14:42

this one little device . So so

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that's , that's , that's , that was my thinking . And

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then I slowly got back into it

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. You know I had the odd wrestling game and

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I had a Rayman game

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, but the games

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that really brought

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me back into gaming

14:59

and it might

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seem I don't know at the time it was

15:04

different . Now it's like oh , it's

15:06

like flavour of the month kind of thing , but it was God

15:08

of War 2005 . And

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you can't see

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properly behind me . I do have

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a . Kratos

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picture on my wall behind

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me . I love those games . I love

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those games so much . But it's also because one

15:24

of the gameplay is fantastic and for the first

15:27

three games the gameplay didn't

15:29

change . So it was very easy to just move

15:31

on to the sequel just so easy and

15:33

it was just . It just felt like DLC

15:36

as opposed to , you know , a

15:38

new game , few bits and bobs here

15:40

and there were different couple of mechanics , but otherwise

15:42

it's virtually the same game with a new story

15:44

. But the story is what

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I came back for . I loved that story

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because I have a fascination with Greek myth

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and those

15:53

games . Obviously , of course , they play

15:56

fast and loose with the , the , the , the

15:58

actual story of Greek myth . But it

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was great . They

16:03

really , really got me into

16:05

the games again . And I had these friends

16:07

. They were PC gamers , you know . They , they

16:09

, they , they would . I'd spend nights . You

16:11

know we'd get wasted on

16:14

things I won't talk about , but we got wasted

16:16

. I would watch them

16:18

play Halo for hours and

16:22

it was great . And then then I

16:24

eventually got . Well , I got a PSP

16:27

. I went , I got , I ended up in hospital . So

16:29

I got a PSP , but

16:31

the PSP ended up being faulty so I took

16:33

it back , got the money back and got an Xbox 360

16:37

. And then got into games

16:40

like because I had friends

16:42

that would point me in that direction , I got like oblivion

16:45

, elder Scrolls , oblivion . That was

16:47

sort of my first foray into that kind of into

16:50

that kind of game . Bio

16:53

shock loved that . First bio

16:55

shock . Second one not too good . Third one

16:57

amazing . I really liked the third one

16:59

, but that first bio shock was absolutely

17:02

incredible . What are

17:04

the games that I play on the 360

17:07

? In a hit man , you know , I

17:09

did a bit of the stealth stuff but

17:11

again none of the story stuff was hitting

17:13

. But oh no , I by passing

17:15

some stuff on PS2 , actually Shadow

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of the Colossus I have now

17:19

bought three times . I

17:22

got it when it first came out . Do you want ?

17:24

to .

17:25

Yeah , I got the PlayStation 3 remaster

17:27

and then I got the full remake and

17:30

I've , I've , I've played all multiple

17:32

times and

17:35

it wasn't until the pandemic , it

17:37

wasn't until lockdown , that I

17:39

actually could be bothered

17:41

to try and climb the temple . It

17:45

took that long . It was like , ok , I think I played

17:47

this enough . Now I think I can do this . I tried

17:50

maybe a couple of times back in the day , but

17:52

but never actually made it . But during the pandemic I was

17:54

like this is look , we've got nothing to

17:56

live for at the moment . I've got this

17:59

. This is , this is going to be my

18:01

, my task , this is my mission right now

18:03

. And I did it , which

18:05

was which was great . The other

18:07

games that really , you know , I

18:10

feel some . I'm a bit what's

18:12

the word ? Basic in some respects , but I

18:14

love the Arkham series as well , like the Batman

18:16

Arkham series , like that . That was some

18:19

proper , proper , amazing

18:21

gaming and also brilliant

18:24

storytelling . I agree , I love that

18:26

whole storyline of the Arkham series . Really

18:28

, really did I had . The thing

18:30

is I haven't played Gotham Knights . I heard it was terrible

18:33

, so I just didn't bother . I have not played Gotham

18:35

Knights , so I don't . Maybe I'm wrong , someone

18:37

correct me , I don't know , but it

18:40

just bothered me that it wasn't really connected to that main

18:42

storyline , because I still feel there's

18:44

more to be told with that , because that weird

18:47

ending when you 100 percent , it is not

18:49

really an ending .

18:50

It's great .

18:52

It's annoying . So

18:55

what other games , what other things about I

18:58

mean now ? Now I do have the PlayStation

19:00

5 and I'm very much into like

19:02

again , I did the Dead Space remake . I'm

19:05

actually very OK with them doing these

19:08

remakes . I'm

19:10

really OK with it because do

19:12

you know one game that I'd like to see remade ? I don't

19:14

know , Did you play station two

19:16

person or were you ?

19:17

absolutely , absolutely I was yeah .

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Did you ever play the suffering ?

19:21

Yes , fantastic game .

19:23

I loved that game and I played

19:26

it and got every ending , because you got the neutral

19:28

ending , the bad ending and the good ending , all

19:31

depending on how often you use

19:33

the . Well , let's call it the Hulk . He

19:35

was a sort of a weird skin tone , flesh

19:38

tone Hulk . But yeah , I

19:40

loved that game and that would be a great

19:43

game , remade , I think . Suffering

19:45

Ties , the Bind , that

19:47

was disappointing , very disappointing , because that

19:49

was just Fight Club . Yeah , I agree

19:51

, it really was . But

19:55

yeah , the suffering I'd really like to see remade

19:58

. I'd

20:01

never really got into Halo . I got Halo 3

20:03

. I enjoyed playing Halo 3 , but

20:05

the thing that Do you know what ? The thing

20:07

that I liked about Halo 3

20:09

more than anything was I liked the being able

20:11

to play back the mission and watch

20:13

it back and then move the camera around so

20:16

you could actually see the level played out from

20:19

the bad guys' point of view

20:21

, and being able to pause it like

20:23

, and you could create these great sort of shots

20:25

and save them , and that was a really

20:27

cool thing . I have not seen any game

20:30

do anything like that since , where

20:32

you could play the level back .

20:35

Yeah , do you know what ? Think about

20:37

it . I can't actually think of a single game

20:39

that does that . There's games where , obviously , you can

20:41

take decent screenshots

20:43

, but nothing where you can play the entirety of it .

20:45

You can do selfies and play

20:47

the level back and see , because if there was

20:49

a moment you're like , oh , that was brilliant , let's see

20:51

it from this angle . When you watch the whole level thing

20:54

, like this looks great , it's like watching your

20:56

own movie . It's like you shoot a movie and

20:58

then watch it back . That was so cool . But

21:00

yeah , I don't recall any other game that's

21:02

ever done that , or at least talked about it

21:04

, or it's been a big deal . Maybe it

21:06

uses too much memory , I don't know who cares , but

21:10

I'm trying to think now of what other

21:12

games came . The God of War series

21:14

will always be particularly special to me , though

21:16

. Oh , last Guardian , I

21:18

need to add Last Guardian . Did you play Last

21:20

Guardian ?

21:21

I did yeah .

21:22

Were you annoyed with it because of the controls

21:25

? I know a lot

21:27

of people were very annoyed with it because of the controls

21:29

.

21:29

Initially , yes , but I think I

21:32

just adapted myself to it

21:34

and then learned to enjoy it .

21:36

There was maybe two or three times I had to restart

21:39

the console because Trico

21:41

wasn't doing what he was supposed to be doing

21:43

and I knew that that's what he

21:45

was supposed to be doing . It was so obvious . So

21:47

you'd restart it and then load it , and then

21:49

he does the thing that it was like okay , there was clearly

21:52

something glitching or a bug of

21:54

some sort , you know . So

21:57

what happened was I'd been playing

22:00

it and I got stuck at a point and I looked

22:02

up a walkthrough . Yes , I look at walkthroughs . I

22:04

don't care , I'm

22:06

the same .

22:07

If I get really stuck , it's

22:09

the only thing . It's that , or YouTube

22:11

videos . I do the bit I'm stuck at it and

22:13

then I go away . I'm like right .

22:15

Yes , yes , but what happened was I looked something

22:17

up for Last

22:19

Guardian and when I looked at it I was

22:22

like , oh , there's only like three sections

22:24

left after this . I'll probably

22:26

be able to complete it tonight . At this point it was midnight

22:28

.

22:31

I can see where this is going .

22:35

Cut to 5am

22:37

and

22:40

my girlfriend comes in

22:42

from the bedroom to the living room to see me there

22:44

and I'm just looking at her going . I know

22:46

, okay , I know I

22:48

need to finish this . I

22:51

didn't have to be up the next day , I didn't have to tell

22:53

, it was no big deal , but it was like I know

22:55

, I know I'm just going to get this done , and

22:58

I think maybe it was a combination of being

23:01

tired and the journey and

23:03

having played such a long stretch of it , because

23:05

it really gets you in

23:07

the heart , this game . It really gets you . And

23:12

then there's the bit I won't spoil it in

23:14

case anyone's listening that might want to play

23:16

it but there's a bit at

23:18

the end where you have to do a command

23:21

to do something , but

23:23

before that command , something in the

23:26

background is happening . That is really

23:28

harrowing and hard to watch . And

23:30

I am not ashamed to say I

23:33

didn't just well up , I didn't

23:35

shed a tear , I ugly

23:38

cried like proper

23:40

, like face wrenching

23:42

, like I was just

23:44

distraught with what

23:46

was going on . But , as I said , I was also

23:48

very tired . But

23:51

this point is about quarter to six in the morning

23:53

and I'd been playing it for about seven hours

23:55

straight at this point . So

23:57

I was like , oh my God . But

23:59

the thing was after . It was like okay

24:03

, it's all done . I went onto YouTube and

24:05

I'm like I'm going to see other people's reaction

24:08

to the end of this game , and everyone

24:10

was also ugly crying . It wasn't just

24:12

me , okay , good , it wasn't just me

24:14

, thank God .

24:17

I am one of them . This is good , I am

24:19

human after all .

24:21

But still that there's not many games

24:23

that like I . There's the bit in Shadow

24:26

of the Colossus where aggro the horse

24:28

sort of falls down

24:30

that cliff and

24:32

I remember being a little bit emotional about it , but

24:35

I didn't well up or cry or anything like that

24:37

, it was just actually I think I got more

24:39

emotional when aggro came back limping

24:41

and then I was like , oh my God

24:43

, it's okay , but there's

24:46

no other game that's really given me

24:48

that much of

24:50

an emotional reaction . As

24:52

to that one , I

24:55

think I don't know the Darkness

24:57

. That was a good game , the Darkness . I liked

24:59

the Darkness . That had some emotional beats in

25:01

it as well .

25:02

Oh , my God , the bit when you see your

25:04

girlfriend being killed .

25:06

My God .

25:08

I remember my friend being like you

25:10

might want to brace yourself for this because it's pretty

25:13

intense , and I was like I've

25:15

seen some of the comics , I know what to expect . Oh

25:17

no , I was not ready for that . I was like

25:19

what ?

25:21

I mean , I loved it as a game . I did try and

25:23

replay it recently on the PlayStation

25:25

now stuff , but

25:27

it doesn't hold up as well as I'd have

25:29

liked it to , unfortunately .

25:31

I must say the second one's actually not too bad . It

25:35

did take me a bit of finger poking to get it running

25:37

through steam because obviously old tech

25:39

versus new tech and it kind of just was like

25:41

I don't know what to do , so I kind of poked

25:44

it with a stick and eventually it worked . Yeah

25:47

, it's graphically

25:49

obviously better . Obviously

25:52

it's not as advanced as modern

25:54

titles , but I think in terms of the

25:57

gameplay and if you've not played any of the

25:59

previous games , you can still enjoy it for

26:01

the I don't want to say basic

26:03

game , but I guess in modern terms , the variety

26:05

of the gameplay to have that darkness element

26:07

, so you've got to make sure you turn out the lights , and

26:10

then there's one eats hearts and this one does this

26:12

, and this one opens a black hole and there's , like

26:14

it was , an interesting .

26:16

they gave you a variety of

26:19

ways of disposing of enemies

26:21

, which was which was great , which is another reason why I like

26:24

the Guardians of the Galaxy game , because you had a big

26:26

variety in one . You had a big variety

26:28

of enemies and then a

26:30

variety of ways of disposing of them , and

26:32

that's , I think that's what's important in

26:34

games . It's not . That's why I don't often

26:36

play a lot of the Call of Duty and modern

26:39

warfare stuff , because it's just guns

26:41

. It's just guns and grenades

26:43

.

26:46

I must say I was very

26:49

much in that way . I think

26:51

, because you touched on Halo I used

26:53

to I mean , I loved Halo 2

26:55

all the way up to reach . It

26:58

was the last one I played yeah , and

27:02

a lot of it was down to the multiplayer , because the multiplayer

27:05

was just fantastic in those games

27:07

.

27:07

Yeah .

27:07

And then kind of moved on to the battlefields

27:10

and cards and stuff . And the problem was

27:12

is as much as I was playing with friends

27:14

, the novelty wore

27:17

off incredibly quickly , incredibly

27:19

quickly , and I just got bored with

27:21

it . It was like , oh , we've had to like be

27:23

incredibly , like controversial

27:26

to make people be aware of our game . You know

27:28

the shoot out in the airport . You just mow

27:30

people down them like if you have to turn

27:32

to controversy to try and make your game

27:34

good , that's a big

27:36

warning sign . And the problem is , is every one

27:39

of those games yeah , okay

27:41

, there's memeable bits in those games

27:43

and stuff like that but the actual core component

27:45

of those games not that great

27:47

? You know , warzone was a huge

27:50

hit during lockdown because there was

27:52

nothing else really out at the time and

27:54

I think everybody jumped on it no pun intended

27:57

for a bit

27:59

, but even so , you know that level

28:02

of commitment to play

28:04

. I mean , you saw this huge spike and then just

28:06

slowly take

28:09

it off until it . Just I'm

28:11

sure there are people are still playing it , but I'm sure

28:13

it's nowhere near as much as it was pre

28:15

pandemic .

28:18

Yeah , I remember getting called duty to

28:20

on 360

28:23

. The reason why I bought that was because some friends had

28:25

it and I won a game

28:27

of poker and I just thought I'm

28:29

going to use this money to buy

28:31

. Call a duty to . Why not ? Why not ? It's

28:34

not my money , it's their money . That I just fantastic

28:37

and and and that

28:39

was good and it was sort of my first

28:41

sort of proper foray into

28:44

first person shooter because I wasn't

28:46

really a FPS kind of guy . And

28:49

then again a group of people who

28:51

I'd hang out with and and you know

28:53

, wasted

28:55

with . We would , we would

28:57

, we would play the

28:59

zombie levels in

29:02

. I can't remember which one it was , but the

29:05

zombie levels were great fun , like you just have

29:07

to do wave after wave after wave . That

29:09

was called of duty black black

29:11

ops . Maybe it was the . It was one

29:13

of the earlier one warfare .

29:15

possibly it wasn't a warfare ?

29:17

No , because it was still World War Two .

29:18

Oh , okay .

29:19

It was still World War Two , so I think it might have been three

29:22

, it might have been three , and

29:24

it was just like a couple is one where you're just in a shack

29:26

and you just take waves after wave and then

29:28

eventually you have to go upstairs and take wave after

29:30

wave and it was just how far can you get ? How

29:33

far can you get ? And we had

29:35

full on strategies and it was great

29:37

Like . And it was like Okay , now we'll get this and we

29:39

get enough money to get this gun . We have to make sure we get that

29:41

gun and we just had these

29:43

great strategies and that

29:46

element was fun . I'm not much these

29:48

days of a multiplayer

29:51

person . I

29:53

don't . I like my single player

29:55

immersion kind of thing

29:57

. It's the only game

29:59

I really , really enjoy these

30:02

days and I say these days like it's an old

30:04

game . It's about five years old now . I guess . Star

30:07

Trek Bridge Crew is such

30:11

a great multiplayer game . Obviously

30:13

it's better if you're all into Star Trek , but

30:16

because then it will make

30:18

sense , then you know your roles and

30:21

, as it turns out , I would not be a good captain

30:23

. And

30:26

oh no , no , I

30:28

admitted it and I was . There's this one of my favorite

30:30

clips of being on Twitch is just like

30:32

guys , I don't think I like being captain . There

30:34

was like no , we don't like that either . Just

30:37

after we said it is like I don't think you're a good captain

30:39

either side , and then a friend goes We've just lost

30:42

shields . It

30:49

was like oh no , we're about to die .

30:51

It's all gone wrong . It's fine . We've accepted

30:53

defeat , now Just let it happen .

30:55

It's fun so so , yeah , that's the only right

30:57

real multiplayer game I'll play . You

30:59

know , jagbox is fun , but it's not

31:02

really . It's not really . It's

31:04

a good game to play with your viewers on Twitch , but

31:07

yeah . Yeah

31:09

, I'm trying desperately to think of all

31:12

the games , because my first console was

31:14

the Atari 2600 . That

31:17

was that was , that was what started it .

31:18

all bit of sense peed , but

31:20

sense peed and dig dug which , which

31:23

2600 that you have , that you

31:25

have the wooden one , or the more the wooden one

31:27

, the wooden one with the joystick and the orange

31:29

button .

31:31

So that was . It was like centipede

31:33

dig dug and

31:36

the terrible , terrible ghostbusters

31:38

game and

31:40

that was sort of it . Then I had the Nez , and

31:44

I love the Nez . Listen , listen

31:46

, I'm not . I

31:49

know this is going to be sort

31:51

of having to sort of make excuses for myself

31:53

. I know I grew up in a

31:55

time like where not everyone

31:57

was able to have all

31:59

of these things . That's one of the things I can thank my dad for , because

32:01

there were times where I had the Nez , I had

32:04

the Super

32:06

Nez and I had the Mega Drive

32:09

, and then I mean actually that

32:11

that was sort of it . But being able to have the Super

32:13

Nez , and the time was

32:15

like sort of an unheard of

32:17

thing . At the time I had the Super Scope .

32:20

I actually got one of those bots somewhere up here

32:23

, so it's probably worth quite a bit as well

32:25

. Well , I mean to be honest , it

32:27

was shit , but it

32:29

was disappointing .

32:32

The gun though . The gun I didn't like .

32:33

Yeah , I think the problem was is it was just

32:35

it was just overly complicated . I mean

32:37

, I remember I didn't have the Super Scope

32:40

like from I

32:42

guess what would be class . That's new . So I remember getting

32:44

it and being super excited

32:46

and I remember setting the whole thing up and about

32:48

10 minutes into it going it's

32:51

not as good as I thought it was going to be .

32:53

No , exactly , some of those , some

32:55

of the levels weren't , weren't like not

32:57

levels , but that they never really made

32:59

good games for it , which was a shame . It

33:01

did work , but it was like shoot

33:04

the fireworks . Great , great

33:07

, this is the best you could come up with shoot fireworks

33:10

.

33:10

Guys , guys , we need to , we need a story for this

33:12

. Bazooka tanks , no Rockets

33:15

, no fireworks .

33:17

Now you're on to summit . There we go . We'll take that . The

33:20

graphics aren't good enough for this at the time . Really they're

33:22

not . They're really not good enough . And

33:26

then so the Super , the Supernails . I

33:29

played , you know , the Aladdin game . I liked movie

33:31

tie in stuff . So I had the Aladdin

33:33

game , alien three , the game

33:36

which was , which was nothing like the actual

33:38

story of the film , but it was it was . I never

33:40

really made it past the first two levels . I

33:42

always that's , that's what would happen every time Do

33:45

you know why ?

33:46

I saw this on a video recently , I

33:49

think it was . I think a guy was actually going

33:51

through . I think it was all

33:53

of the alien games who had gone back

33:55

through , like spectrum games , where there was actually

33:57

a really what back then it would be deemed quite

34:00

a terrifying version of aliens

34:02

, even though it was on a spectrum . But yeah

34:04

, that particular alien game going

34:06

well , I've only seen the first level

34:09

because I couldn't get any further

34:11

. And then I looked at a walkthrough and

34:13

I still didn't get any further . So let's move on to the next alien

34:15

. Yeah , I'm

34:17

glad I'm not the only one . That makes me feel a little

34:19

bit happier about life .

34:21

It was hard . But the thing was

34:23

, though , at the same time it's like I

34:25

loved , like the Sonic the Hedgehog games , but I've never

34:27

been able to complete them without doing like the level

34:29

select cheat Apart

34:31

from Sonic 2 , like I got that Christmas

34:34

and on Boxing Day I made it to the Death Egg

34:36

Zone . I didn't complete it , wow , but

34:39

I made it to the like . I was a

34:41

dedicated Sonic the Hedgehog player . I love

34:43

Sonic the Hedgehog and

34:47

I like Sonic and Knuckles . Like that was

34:49

just one of like , because that felt

34:51

like it was really building up to something

34:53

. Like it just there was no

34:56

real story , but you got the sense

34:58

that there was something

35:00

going on . But also the manuals

35:02

, which they don't do now , but the manuals

35:05

helped fill in the gaps of the story . So

35:07

that was always something really , really

35:09

cool . But my biggest problem with playing all

35:11

of those old , old games like Alien 3

35:13

and the Sonic the Hedgehogs and the Marios and all

35:15

of those games , my biggest problem is , I

35:18

realized later in life I've been playing

35:20

them completely wrong , because

35:22

in my head what

35:25

you had to do was

35:27

kill every enemy on the screen . It

35:31

never crossed my mind that all you needed to

35:33

do is just go from left to right and just

35:35

get to the end . I

35:38

thought the whole point of them being there was

35:40

to kill them all . So I'd spend

35:42

, I would spend time doing that . So

35:44

that's why , like Alien 3 the game

35:46

, I'd try and find the aliens , to kill them

35:48

as well as rescuing the others . I didn't think that

35:51

you'd just run away from

35:53

things , like it never crossed my mind . I

35:55

thought that was not the point of the game . Well , I

35:57

put the bad guys there . I've just got

35:59

to go from one place to another if there's not the

36:01

obstacles in between to take out . So

36:04

it wasn't like when I was watching things back going oh

36:08

, I have been playing

36:10

video games completely

36:13

, completely wrong

36:15

and I felt stupid

36:17

. I felt really stupid

36:19

. So , like

36:21

now , I recently just played and

36:23

I'd never played it when it came out the Last of Us Great

36:27

game . Great game . Had

36:30

it not been for lots of stealth in

36:33

like the Batman and Spider-Man games of late

36:35

and I've got Twitch viewers who

36:37

encourage me to do more stealth I

36:41

barely killed anything in the Last

36:43

of Us . I mean

36:45

, I killed , and there's some sections you have to

36:47

, you have to . But that last level

36:49

, when you're going through the tunnel and there's like three

36:52

or four bloaters , I stealthed

36:54

. That whole thing , didn't have one

36:56

encounter with a bloater . I snuck past

36:58

every single one of them and

37:01

I was pretty proud of myself and was like so

37:03

this is how you play video games , ok

37:05

, ok .

37:07

I think my old-school mentality of just

37:09

running guns sometimes gets me into more trouble

37:11

than I would like to admit , because I've

37:13

done lots of streams where I've been like , yeah

37:15

, I can just go into this room and shoot everything

37:17

. Oh , you died .

37:19

Yeah , it's like , will you use that same ?

37:21

strategy again . Oh , I've died again .

37:23

Maybe this is not the strategy I need to go for

37:25

it's the same Batman where it's like , ok , I've

37:28

done stealth and I get bored . I'm like , ok

37:30

, I've stealth , killed like three people , now can

37:32

I ? I'm just gonna , you know , I'm just gonna go

37:34

for it . And oh no , they got guns and I did . Ok

37:36

, yeah , all of that again .

37:40

I had that exact same thing the first time , but

37:42

I think it was Arkham City

37:44

or Arkham Knight , I can't remember . Now , the

37:47

first time you meet guys with guns , I'm thinking

37:49

I'm Batman , I'm

37:52

gonna do nothing . Bang oh , oh

37:55

, bullets , do kill it . Now

37:57

I learn .

37:58

Very quick , and in Spider-Man as well , it's like

38:00

oh Christ , it's just very

38:03

, very quick deaths . And don't get me

38:05

wrong , I understand it's realistic

38:08

. Sure it's realistic , fine

38:10

fine , but

38:13

it's not fun .

38:14

No , exactly , exactly . I mean , you

38:16

watch films and stuff and you see like

38:18

bullets being shot at Batman , they're pinging

38:20

off him . You're thinking ha-ha , no problem

38:22

oh no , he's dead . Oh , but

38:25

yeah , they're going for headshots , not body shots

38:27

. This isn't what was in the script

38:29

, you liars .

38:31

Yeah , and it's always the things that always

38:33

annoyed me in video games , like in Sonic

38:35

and Mario and all that . It's

38:37

like when Like

38:40

a section of a bad guy touches you

38:42

and you die when you move your

38:45

rings and all that , but you're just like that's

38:47

a piece of their hair or that's like the side

38:49

of their shirt . How does

38:51

touching their shirt kill

38:54

me , for whatever reason ? How does

38:56

that ? That makes no sense to me .

38:58

The guy who was the guy who was carrying that was an absolute

39:01

bastard . He was like what's

39:03

the hitbox going to be ? Everything

39:05

, everything , everything . How are they ?

39:07

She likes this . Everything , every

39:09

pixel , right . If the edge

39:12

of , if the rim of his glasses , if

39:14

the bad guy with glasses , if the rim of their glasses

39:16

touches you , that's it , it's over .

39:18

If he breathes everything like OK

39:20

, fine , yeah , I'm trying to remember

39:22

a game I played recently . That was like that

39:24

. It was definitely

39:26

something that we streamed . It was one of

39:28

the rare times when I nearly Ducktales was

39:30

like that .

39:31

Ducktales was like that . Oh my God , yes , Bad guys like

39:33

that .

39:34

Oh , it was like oh , I've hit Noah Heaven . Oh

39:36

, they've killed me on that .

39:38

Yeah , yeah , wow

39:40

, I mean Ducktales one of the best games

39:42

and one of the most consistent things

39:45

that was ported . Like cos , you played the Game

39:47

Boy version of Ducktales . It

39:49

was the same as the NES version . Agreed , it

39:51

was exactly the same . And that was another one of

39:53

those rare things that never happened . Like

39:56

cos , yeah , I had the Game Boy . I loved

39:58

the Game Boy Super Mario World . When I completed

40:00

that and that was without level select , I did

40:03

complete that . That felt like a

40:05

full-on achievement . Completing , like

40:07

that fucking airplane level was awful

40:09

, but , but

40:12

I did it . And , like

40:14

, wario Land was a great game

40:16

. Being able to save on a Game Boy , what

40:18

a novel feature .

40:21

I remember getting was it Six Golden

40:23

Coins ? The Mario Game , super Mario World

40:25

2 ? Yes , and that save feature

40:27

blew my little brain apart . I

40:29

was like what I

40:31

don't have to like indefinitely pause this game

40:34

and hope that the batteries last . This is amazing

40:36

. And then it had like three different save

40:38

areas . I was like hang on , I can have three individual

40:41

saving areas . What ?

40:42

is this about ? Yeah , it was incredible

40:44

. What other Game Boy games did I play ? Well

40:48

, obviously Tetris , because who didn't ? Er

40:51

? Oh , I had the Amazing Spider-Man

40:54

. That was a good little Game Boy game that was fun .

40:56

I liked that was the

40:58

. Let me just remember , it was like the

41:00

quarter-sized

41:03

screen of Spider-Man where you could swing and

41:05

I think in between it had like little comic

41:07

strips explaining the story . Is that correct

41:10

?

41:10

Kind of Well , the one that I had . It was

41:12

you could swing , but

41:14

you'd use up your web if you did that was it

41:16

yeah ? And the first level

41:18

was Mysterio . So

41:20

you'd like fight people in the street and there'd be

41:22

people throwing stuff out of a window and

41:25

all of that . You'd fight Mysterio . The Mysterio would

41:27

disappear . Then the second level

41:30

was climbing a building .

41:31

Yes , and then there'll be barrels .

41:33

all yeah , barrels will be dropping

41:35

and then you get to the top and

41:37

then it was chasing the green goblin

41:39

over the rooftops and then after

41:41

that level it was fighting Venom on

41:43

top of a train . Er

41:46

, and that was , I think , as far as I ever got , was

41:48

Venom on the train . I don't think I ever got as far as

41:50

that . I think Venom always killed me .

41:52

That brought back some memories , christ up at Farty

41:54

, many hours and time into

41:57

that game . But that was the thing like

41:59

and I've always said this . Like you

42:03

know , games back then cost a

42:05

fair whack , you know . I mean , I always go back to the

42:07

fact that , ironically , the

42:09

year I went on Games World , my

42:11

dad bought me NBA

42:14

Jam , which I ended up playing on the series

42:16

, oh well , and I've left the sticker

42:18

on there because he got it from Blockbuster Video and he's

42:20

got a 59.99 sticker

42:22

on it . Yeah , exactly , which back

42:24

then was a lot . Yeah

42:26

, and I've left it on there as a point to

42:29

remind myself of , a , how much

42:31

these things cost , and B , obviously you know

42:33

my parents spent a lot on me , so it's always

42:35

a reminder . But the

42:37

thing is like I can pick that game up right

42:39

now and play it and still have the

42:41

same level of enjoyment then as I

42:43

did now . And you know , I think games

42:46

, especially in the last three

42:49

to four years , the costs have started to

42:51

go back to those levels with

42:54

the justification of larger game sizes

42:56

and stuff . But again , the fundamental

42:59

problem that I find is you'll

43:01

get a title , you'll finish it and

43:04

that's it . There's absolutely zero

43:06

replay value in a lot of

43:08

the titles that come out , which is

43:11

fine if it's a longer game

43:13

. I think that's fine if you want to go back and redo

43:15

it , but there's just something about that

43:17

niche of old games where you can just pick

43:20

it up and play and enjoy it exactly

43:22

the same way as you did back then .

43:24

Part of me agrees . Another part of me is

43:26

like I'm old now and my

43:28

reaction times are not what they were

43:30

.

43:30

Agreed .

43:32

And I

43:35

have you know I can't always defeat Bowser

43:37

at the end . You know , the Princess may be

43:39

in another castle , but I'm dead , so

43:41

she can just wait , that's

43:45

the thing .

43:45

I'll be back in a bit . Love you , look after Bowser

43:47

for a bit .

43:50

So yeah that's . I do enjoy

43:52

the retro stuff , but I don't think I could ever complete

43:54

it . Another game series that I

43:57

never mastered , like I was just the worst

43:59

at it and I wanted to be good

44:01

at it . I was all right . I was better at the Game Boy than

44:03

any of the other versions . But Mega man , they

44:06

were so hard , those Mega man games . I

44:08

was better at the Game Boy than I was in anything else . But

44:11

I recently tried to play like Mega

44:13

man X and I was like nope , after 10

44:15

minutes , just no , this is too

44:17

hard , just can't do it . I don't have the

44:19

reflexes 100% agree

44:22

.

44:22

It's been one of those series Like I had friends

44:24

who would obsess about it . And

44:27

the thing is it's like I joined the bandwagon

44:29

I was like , yeah , mega Man's great and I remember playing

44:31

it , going I'm just not

44:33

good enough for this game . Like I'm just not

44:35

good enough for this game . And I remember even

44:38

going back to the NES ones and being like how

44:40

did anyone get past like any

44:43

level in this game ?

44:44

Like instant reactions of trying to

44:46

yeah , the levels themselves , let alone the bosses like

44:48

the levels themselves , were

44:50

ridiculous .

44:51

Absolutely Insanity . And the problem is is when I stream

44:54

, if I

44:56

plug in a you know a particular console

44:58

or something , or if I'm not using one of my

45:00

many retro devices

45:02

, whether it's the MISTER or the Raspberry Pi

45:05

there's still that added bit of lag

45:07

put in . So if you're trying to

45:09

play a game like Mega man , just with that

45:11

added bit of lag and slow reflexes

45:14

is a pure recipe for disaster

45:16

. Yeah , wait , that happened .

45:18

I've got the recall box . This

45:20

is what I've got . It's like , it's like

45:22

some of my 20,000 games on it . It's

45:24

just amazing . But the thing that I love about it , it's

45:26

got arcade games . Yeah

45:28

, so I was able , because you don't

45:30

have to put coins in , so I can always

45:33

play that Turtles arcade game and make it to the

45:35

end and I don't have to worry about the coins . Although

45:38

, although saying that , where

45:41

we used to me and my family , we used to holiday

45:43

in this area of Spain and they had

45:45

a Turtles arcade machine , nice

45:47

and but we found a glitch in

45:49

this particular machine where

45:51

if you put your finger in the

45:53

coin where the coins get returned

45:56

into the change slot , if you hit

45:58

it , it somehow

46:00

counted as putting coins in . So

46:03

we would just put in like 30 quids worth

46:05

of coins and just play it . So

46:08

I actually completed that on an arcade , but then the

46:10

owners of the establishment found out about

46:12

it and unplugged the machine .

46:13

No way .

46:14

Yeah , well , because we were there for hours and they were like , wow

46:16

, we're making loads of money . They made nothing . They

46:20

made absolutely nothing .

46:22

I can just imagine how gutted the guy is like

46:24

aha , these kids . They've been

46:26

on this for hours . What .

46:29

Yep , not a single penny . That's

46:31

brilliant . Now I'm

46:33

going to mention something because I'm

46:35

not going to like shout his name out because

46:38

I don't want him to get in trouble . But

46:40

one of my viewers is someone

46:42

who works for Sony

46:45

Creative and

46:47

he did twice . Now he

46:49

did something wonderful for me . He knows how

46:51

much I loved like the God of War series and all of

46:53

that and he worked on things like . He

46:55

worked on like the art for the health bars

46:58

and stuff like that . Wow , and this is the

47:00

thing I wanted to sort of mention like back in the day

47:02

, maybe teams

47:05

working on games they weren't huge , there'd

47:07

probably be maybe ten people working on like

47:09

one game . Now you

47:11

know you've got several art departments . Like

47:14

you've got a department that's just doing like the health

47:16

bars , another one that's just doing the weapons , another

47:18

one's character design , but sometimes different

47:20

people will do different character designs and

47:22

they've got to somehow then communicate

47:25

with each other like same with costume designs

47:27

and well-set designs , music

47:29

design , all of this stuff . And

47:31

this is why , look , I understand why games

47:33

are 70 , 80 quid . This is a lot

47:36

of work . They look like movies , they look

47:38

amazing . There's a lot of work that goes into

47:40

it . They're not cheap . They're not cheap to

47:42

make , there's a lot of labour and

47:46

yeah , so the fact that he worked on this sort

47:48

of thing and he came onto my stream during Christmas

47:50

time , I was like I'm surprised you're not playing

47:52

God of War , because what I was doing

47:55

at the time was 100%ing

47:58

the Arkham series again , right

48:00

, and I was like , listen , I

48:02

thought I'd be done by now . I was like I

48:05

thought I'd be done by now . So I'm doing

48:07

this and then I'm taking a break for Christmas

48:09

and then in January I'm going to get God of War , ragnarok

48:11

, as a treat to myself . About

48:14

five minutes after I said that on stream , he

48:16

sends me the code and just goes here , go have

48:18

God of War right there . Oh , wow , I was like , thank

48:21

you so much . You just , how old , neaved

48:23

me 70 pounds , thank you so

48:25

much . And then , when the last of us thing

48:28

was , we're talking about the TV series and I was

48:30

saying I don't know whether to get the remastered version

48:32

or just a normal version . I want the

48:34

remastered version because it's remastered and

48:36

it will look better , but it is more expensive

48:38

than the other one . And then he just sends me a code

48:40

and goes here , here you go , have the remastered one , wow

48:43

. And it's like thank you so much

48:45

, can I have you ? Just

48:47

basically just choose what I play on my

48:49

streams , just send me codes , because

48:52

he also sent me Ratchet and

48:54

Clank , the

48:57

multi-verse one . I forgot what it's called . I

48:59

forgot what it's called , anyway

49:02

, because he was really just saying , like you've

49:05

got a PS5 , now this is the best-looking game

49:07

with a PS5 . And he wasn't wrong . It was a beautiful-looking

49:09

game , but I played it for about an hour and went

49:12

. I'm not the target audience for this . This

49:14

is a children's game . Sure , this

49:16

is . And don't get me wrong , I'm not above

49:18

playing children's games . You know , the other

49:20

day I sat down and watched DC Super League

49:22

of Pets just because I thought yeah

49:25

, let's , why not ? I'm fine

49:27

with watching kids' films . You know because sometimes

49:29

they're quite funny . But

49:33

Ratchet and Clank , I was like , yeah , this is

49:35

a kids' game . So , and

49:37

plus , also , the back of my head is like kids'

49:39

games are hard because kids , as

49:41

I said , they have better reaction times

49:44

. They have much better

49:46

reaction times .

49:47

Do you know what there was ? What

49:50

was it ? I want to say

49:52

it was one of the LEGO Star Wars

49:54

games , Something like that

49:56

, and I was just getting massacred

49:58

at it and somebody was like oh , you need to react quicker

50:01

. I'm like what You're

50:03

saying because I'm old . This is the downfall

50:05

of me in a LEGO game .

50:08

I had the same thing with an Avengers LEGO

50:10

game and it was like I was fine

50:12

, fine , fine . And then all of a sudden the difficulty

50:14

curve . It's not really a curve , it's just

50:16

a wall , it's just . It's

50:18

like oh , now it's impossible . And

50:22

it brings back to the original point of If

50:25

it's not fun , why bother ? I

50:28

understand make things challenging , but

50:31

if it's not fun , why bother ? I

50:33

loved the concept of alien

50:35

isolation .

50:36

Yes .

50:37

Loved the concept of it , but

50:39

if I have to play for two hours , then unfortunately

50:42

die and because I didn't get to a

50:44

save point , I have to do those two hours

50:46

again , that's not fun . Yeah

50:48

, it's not fun .

50:49

I agree with that . I've never agreed with

50:52

hard save points . I

50:54

think we live in a world

50:56

where pass

50:58

codes are a thing of the past . But even that

51:01

would allow you to at least skip

51:03

back to where you were . And

51:06

a lot of people are like , oh , I don't like quick saves , well

51:08

, save yourself . But yeah , I

51:11

agree Having those moments where you're

51:13

thinking , crap , I've got to now

51:15

replay that entire portion , and this happened

51:17

to me a few times on stream where

51:19

I'm like , oh , I've died . And then the

51:21

game's like ha , remember that entire

51:23

point that you've just streamed . Well , tough

51:25

luck , you've got to do it all over again . Oh

51:28

, great .

51:30

I can't be dealing with that . And also at the time , do

51:33

you have PlayStation 5 ? I do , yeah , did

51:36

you have or do you still

51:38

have a problem with Drift

51:42

on the controls ?

51:43

Do you know what ? I've never had it , never

51:45

had it .

51:47

I had it really , really badly

51:49

playing Alien Isolation . It was one

51:51

of the reasons why I stopped playing it . There

51:54

was a section . There was a section I

51:56

saw an alien dropping down from the ceiling . I

51:58

ducked , I crawled under a

52:00

table , slash gurney , and

52:03

I was like , ok , I'm fine . And then I

52:06

stopped moving . But the control kept on walking

52:08

. And there I go , just standing

52:10

up in front of the alien , and

52:13

I was like that was not my fault

52:15

, it really annoyed me . So now

52:17

when I stream and I play

52:20

with the PlayStation , I just

52:22

Because I've done all

52:24

the updates and all of that sort of stuff I even

52:26

have two controllers now Both

52:28

controllers were doing it , so

52:30

now it's hard-wired in . Apparently

52:32

, what it might be and it's just

52:34

to do with the way I stream is

52:37

because when I stream I've got Essentially

52:39

I've got two MacBooks and an

52:42

iPad and my phone

52:44

and there's all this Bluetooth going

52:47

on because I've got the Bluetooth keyboard , bluetooth mouse

52:49

, so apparently it's an interference

52:52

thing with that , and because I'm

52:54

surrounded by other Bluetooth devices

52:56

, there's nothing I can do about

52:58

that . So well , I can

53:00

hard-wire everything in , but unfortunately

53:02

MacBooks just don't have enough ports to

53:05

plug everything in . They just don't

53:07

, and hubs are very expensive

53:09

if you want good hubs .

53:11

I agree , I

53:15

love Apple , I

53:17

like their products . But when it comes

53:19

to things like that , when they're like hey

53:21

, be really creative , do everything you want

53:23

, okay , so well , oh okay , so I need

53:25

a Bluetooth that , and then they're okay

53:27

. So I need a Bluetooth that and then the . Okay

53:30

, so that's going to run on Bluetooth . What

53:32

if I want to just plug this in oh

53:34

well , you've got to buy that hub , sir . Oh

53:36

right , how much is that ? Well , it could be anywhere between

53:38

150 to 200 quid and some more

53:40

. Oh , to plug in a

53:42

USB stick .

53:44

It's a really unexciting purchase as well

53:46

. A USB hub , it's like . It's

53:48

like you're going to spend 200 pounds on

53:50

a USB hub . It's the sexiest

53:52

USB hub you ever did see .

53:56

It's funny where I work and I'll tell you where I

53:58

work off string because I don't want anyone

54:00

knowing , but

54:02

for obvious reasons that will come apparent after

54:04

we come up for the air . It's

54:07

only for yeah , it's only fans . Yes , yeah

54:10

, you can sign up to that . I'll give you

54:12

a discount code .

54:13

Oh yeah , that's all I was about to say . Hold on .

54:17

Well , you've been waiting 30 years for it . So Exactly

54:19

, oh no .

54:21

Definitely waiting until you're older than 18 , that's

54:24

for sure .

54:25

Oh Christ .

54:27

You were 12 when we met , weren't you ?

54:29

That took a hard left turn . It was nine actually

54:31

, so it didn't work .

54:32

You were nine Wow

54:34

we need to . After your

54:36

point now we'll have a chat about the actual

54:38

day of Games World .

54:39

I've actually just forgotten what the point was I

54:41

was going to make now .

54:43

It was about Apple products . Oh , that was it , yeah

54:45

.

54:45

Ah , that was it . So at work they've

54:49

now gone away from Macs , but the

54:51

entire department bought these brand-new MacBook

54:53

Pros with the touch bar and all this stuff

54:55

and they've got external

54:58

drives and things that they plug in and

55:02

video equipment and everything like that . And

55:04

I remember the creative director

55:06

just going fuck really loud

55:08

in the office and I was like what

55:11

? And he was like we've just spent £12,000

55:14

and I can't plug in this USB

55:16

hub . So the next day he

55:19

had to literally walk over to the IT guy going

55:21

so

55:23

you know , we just spend all this money

55:25

. Well , we need to buy some hubs . And they bought

55:27

these like massive hubs and

55:29

they were the most ugliest things

55:32

I've ever seen . You know , I can describe it like

55:34

. It looked like a vertical conch

55:36

shell with just cables that

55:38

came out of it and I was like that is one of the most

55:40

disgusting products we've ever seen . They were like this

55:44

is the only one that works at

55:46

the rate that we need to transfer files at

55:48

. And I was like how much did that cost

55:50

? And they were like oh , there were about £150

55:53

each . There's 12 people in that department

55:55

, wow , wow

55:58

. So , yeah , that

56:00

was fun . And then a year later

56:02

they were like , yeah , I'm getting rid of Max now I'm having winners instead

56:04

. It was like what so

56:06

?

56:07

the thing with Max , though . They do last . You

56:10

know , touch wood when I say that , but they do last . I've

56:12

got one here that I've been

56:17

using for about 10 , 12 years , something

56:19

like that . It's ridiculous . So you

56:21

get what you pay for .

56:22

I agree , I think the build

56:24

quality of late has been very

56:26

poor with regards to the laptops

56:28

, but I think the era between

56:30

, I'm going to say

56:33

, 2010 to probably 2015

56:36

was probably the glory days of

56:38

those laptops and jobs was actually

56:40

still alive . Yeah , exactly , and

56:42

the thing is is when you you see people

56:44

take those apart , if you take yours apart

56:46

, you see , even the

56:49

screws are not more than

56:51

the thread . It's just enough thread to tighten

56:53

it up , that it just closes it enough , and

56:55

all the cabling is is

56:57

just enough to fit into there .

56:59

And it's all meticulously done and well

57:01

, here's another thing that's quite fun on one

57:03

of the old when they did like the black Mac books

57:05

and things like that . So there was

57:08

a couple of screws that were

57:10

in the side of it that didn't

57:12

hold anything in . There was no purpose . The

57:14

only reason why those screws were there was

57:16

because there were screws on the other side and they wanted it to

57:18

be symmetrical . They

57:22

had no other purpose .

57:23

We're doing this , there

57:26

we go .

57:27

That's best . He's got to do something with him .

57:30

Can you imagine the port in terms like

57:32

when does this go in there

57:34

? What does it do ? Nothing Brilliant

57:37

. So

57:42

, yes , well it's

57:45

. I mean , I'm still . I've had so

57:47

many WTF moments . I mean , first

57:49

of all , learning who your father is , which is blowing

57:53

, and then obviously it's been

57:55

so long and out

57:57

of interest how many nine you were , nine I

58:00

was .

58:00

I must have been 12 . What year was ?

58:02

it again Nine . Well , it's funny

58:04

enough . I was having this discussion with my mum , I think

58:06

it was

58:08

93 going

58:10

into 94 . So I think from

58:13

11 . So I think it was

58:15

filmed at the back end of 93

58:18

, because I remember it being winter and it being

58:20

really effing cold

58:23

, and then I think it got broadcast

58:25

. I want to say it was like four months

58:28

later and then the rest of the shows

58:30

that I worked was on further than went

58:32

into the rest of 1994

58:35

. So yeah , it all kind of started in 93

58:37

. Yeah , it's even

58:40

looking back at some of the footage and now it's

58:42

just it's so funny

58:44

because people are like , oh wow , that studio

58:47

must have been so big . No

58:49

, it wasn't .

58:52

So so many TV shows that I've been . I've been

58:54

in audience for things like QI and

58:56

Penn and Telepholis . I've been in the audience

58:58

for those things and they are so much smaller than

59:00

you think and like when you get there you're like

59:02

, oh my God , and it was like that backstage area

59:05

and again we were freezing cold . I remember being

59:07

really cocky because I was complaining about being cold

59:09

and one of the runners

59:11

or producers working on the show was

59:13

just like , do you want to wear the championship

59:15

jacket ? And I was just like , no , I'll wear it when

59:17

I win . But

59:25

it was , it was fine . Like the thing

59:27

is , because I've got clips from

59:29

it , because basically the video you uploaded

59:32

to YouTube , I've downloaded it

59:34

. I played it on Twitch . I

59:36

played it without telling anyone that it was , because I was

59:38

just like look at this 90 show , look at this

59:40

, and oh there , I am , there you

59:42

go . And it was so it's . And then

59:45

, because there are some fun clips

59:47

for me in there , like I love

59:49

the bit where you hear the guy going like Matthew wins

59:52

. And I'm like , yes , that's a clip on Twitch , they can

59:54

do that . There's

59:59

me to try to do like proper , like shit

1:00:01

talking , just like he's got

1:00:03

two chances slim and none . I'm

1:00:05

just like this little shit and

1:00:08

I

1:00:10

was wearing the backwards baseball

1:00:12

cap and , oh God , what

1:00:15

an absolute nerd . I mean , we all had to wear the backwards

1:00:17

baseball cap , didn't we ? Yeah ?

1:00:19

Do you know what ? I don't really want to talk badly

1:00:22

about him , but I've always had a

1:00:24

how

1:00:27

can I word this without it being controversial

1:00:29

a skewed view

1:00:31

of Dave Perry , and even

1:00:33

from the time when I met him at Games

1:00:36

World , there is one thing that stuck

1:00:38

out in my mind , and I don't know if you remember we were

1:00:40

in the area that was meant to be the pit

1:00:42

, when we were all sat in the chairs and

1:00:44

he kind of feel he was filming walking back

1:00:47

and forth . I remember he walked past I

1:00:49

wasn't exactly a big kid by then . I

1:00:51

made up for it now . I wasn't a big kid back

1:00:53

then and I remember he trod on my foot

1:00:56

and I was like I

1:00:58

could say something . But I'm like , well , he's Dave

1:01:00

Perry , it'd be a bit bad . And

1:01:02

he just called off what past me and was like

1:01:04

, did you try to trip me up ? And I'm like , and

1:01:09

it was kind of ironic that he had

1:01:11

the whole debacle with Games Master

1:01:13

and everything else , because then I thought calm

1:01:16

as a bitch in it , son .

1:01:19

That came first thing like he really did not

1:01:21

take that prank . Well , like it was

1:01:23

, like it was a prank dude , it was a prank Right

1:01:26

, just let it .

1:01:27

Let it go and ironically , I was on a podcast

1:01:29

with with him and Rick

1:01:31

and a few others , not not that

1:01:33

long ago . Actually , it was just before

1:01:36

the turn of the year and

1:01:38

my opinion of him still hasn't changed , so

1:01:40

yeah , I was in the audience for

1:01:42

a Games Master episode once . Oh really

1:01:44

.

1:01:45

Yeah , the one where they filmed them at the

1:01:47

prison . It was a Dexter Fletcher series , right

1:01:50

, but it was . I remember the guest was . What

1:01:52

was her name ? Moni Love , I

1:01:54

think , was the music guest at the time

1:01:56

. I remember the first

1:01:58

like half of the day because they wouldn't let

1:02:01

us go to the toilet , and I was desperate . Desperate

1:02:04

to go to the toilet because they'd done this thing , that

1:02:06

it made sure that all of us wear white T shirt

1:02:08

and blue jeans because they wanted everyone to look like prisoners

1:02:10

, because

1:02:12

that was , it was filmed in a prison . That was . That

1:02:14

was actually was

1:02:17

like an old prison . Yeah , yeah

1:02:19

, and yeah , I was

1:02:21

just just being desperate for the loan , just the

1:02:24

relief of just like , can we finish the filming

1:02:26

so that we can go to the toilet

1:02:28

. And

1:02:30

now , what was the game ? That was my first

1:02:33

time really seeing cool spots

1:02:35

being played , nice

1:02:37

, so that was it . That was . That was an interesting

1:02:39

product placement of a game , wasn't

1:02:41

it ? But

1:02:44

the , the filming of . I remember being freezing

1:02:46

cold during when we did Games World and

1:02:48

I remember being really

1:02:51

put out by the fact that

1:02:53

they made everyone film there . Yeah

1:02:55

, I'm going to win after

1:02:58

we'd already lost .

1:02:59

Yes , you're absolutely correct

1:03:02

. I remember that because they were like oh yeah

1:03:04

, you've got to say this , this and this , and I'm in the back

1:03:06

of mind , I'm thinking what

1:03:09

are you doing ?

1:03:12

I know that our TV shows are made because

1:03:14

you know , listen . You know my dad

1:03:16

is like I grew up learning

1:03:18

about that thing in

1:03:21

order . That's fine , but in this

1:03:23

case , where you've got children who are already

1:03:25

now , at this point , been demoralized

1:03:27

not all children are actors , for crying

1:03:29

out loud . You're making them

1:03:32

pretend that they're to say

1:03:34

I'm going to win , I'm the

1:03:36

best , when they know in their heart

1:03:38

they have already lost . It

1:03:40

was , that was , it was a thing that kind of tarnished

1:03:43

my actual experience of the whole thing

1:03:45

, because I felt a bit used

1:03:47

at that point . You know it

1:03:50

was , it was , it was . That was the only thing

1:03:52

. The rest of it you know , and we can talk

1:03:54

about the fact that you know , at

1:03:57

the time now I don't care , but at the

1:03:59

time , that whole thing because I lost , I

1:04:01

lost to a girl Now

1:04:04

I don't care , I really don't care .

1:04:06

I won the first get

1:04:09

thing .

1:04:09

I won the first thing . It was a penalty

1:04:11

shootout . I won that I won that , but

1:04:15

it was during the game it was

1:04:17

it and it

1:04:20

in the end ended up being between me

1:04:22

and her

1:04:24

, gemma , I think it was yeah

1:04:26

, and I

1:04:28

gave the , the , the , the virus to her and

1:04:31

then , like the last three seconds , gave

1:04:33

it to me and then that was it and I was gone

1:04:35

. It was . It was

1:04:38

kind of devastating because it was just like

1:04:40

that , that last three seconds , and

1:04:42

I just remember standing there like no

1:04:46

, no , this is , this is the game that beat

1:04:48

me . Was it the game that no

1:04:50

one had ever played before ? Because it was a world

1:04:52

exclusive , because it was no

1:04:54

? Did they ever release that game

1:04:56

?

1:04:57

I don't think so . Do you know what I'd actually like to speak

1:04:59

to to Alex , because I think he's

1:05:01

still got contacts from Hewland

1:05:04

International ? Someone must have

1:05:06

a copy , because I think , if I remember correctly

1:05:08

, games like cash dash it

1:05:10

and I think the snipers

1:05:13

alley the game with the bullet . At

1:05:15

the end you had to shoot .

1:05:16

Oh , yeah , yeah , yeah .

1:05:17

I'm sure they were made on the Amiga

1:05:20

and obviously if there is one then I could probably

1:05:22

replay them now . Someone out there

1:05:24

must have a copy of those must

1:05:26

be one kicking around

1:05:29

some . Agreed , agreed

1:05:32

.

1:05:32

Because also , it's , it's , it's . It's

1:05:34

just a really easy online game . It could be done

1:05:36

on your mobile . No

1:05:39

, it could be like among us . It remastered

1:05:42

. There you go .

1:05:42

There you go . There you go . Hewland International

1:05:45

, get on it . Keep us in copyright here

1:05:47

, but , as

1:05:49

I said , there are certain , there

1:05:52

are certain snapshots that I remember

1:05:54

from especially that particular

1:05:56

day games world

1:05:58

, and I remember , after

1:06:01

I'd got the jacket , sorry to rub it in the

1:06:04

over it now

1:06:06

, well , well , if I meet you in Chiswick I'll bring

1:06:09

it down and you can wear it there

1:06:12

you go , I'll host the night wearing it

1:06:14

. Now

1:06:17

, that would be brilliant . So

1:06:20

I remember get

1:06:22

obviously wearing the jacket and it was so

1:06:24

dumb because , like , they put it on your shoulders

1:06:26

and you had to turn on the spot . I did

1:06:28

that five times . They're like oh

1:06:30

, you didn't you turn too quick . Oh , you turn too

1:06:32

suddenly it's

1:06:35

a fucking code . Everybody seen it . What

1:06:37

difference does it matter ? Yeah , so after

1:06:39

doing that , I remember we went back up to the production

1:06:41

room and everyone was like oh , so great . And

1:06:43

then they were like can we have the coat back

1:06:46

? And I'm like what ? They were like we've

1:06:48

only got one . What do you mean ? What

1:06:50

do you mean ? You've only got one ? They were like

1:06:52

well , we've got others on order

1:06:54

, this is the only one we need . And I was , and my

1:06:56

mom . I remember my mom was like

1:06:59

he's taking it and he's taking it

1:07:01

to school and he's showing all of his friends . And they were

1:07:04

like well , as long as you can promise to bring it back , then

1:07:06

we'll let it go . And it was like trust me , this thing

1:07:08

is not coming off my shoulders .

1:07:10

Yeah , oh God , yeah , yeah , I

1:07:13

understand their mentality Absolutely

1:07:15

. You get that Like I imagine , obviously

1:07:17

. Yeah , I can imagine being a kid at the time . I don't

1:07:19

know how I would have reacted if I was told that .

1:07:22

Do you remember this thing that you just want ? Yeah , fuck

1:07:24

you , you can go and get some else .

1:07:26

You peasant like , hang on a minute Did

1:07:29

you just basically do a sticky at school because it

1:07:31

was during a school week , did you

1:07:33

?

1:07:33

know . So what actually happened was . The

1:07:36

story is hilarious . I think I actually

1:07:38

uploaded a video about it and obviously

1:07:43

we got . Obviously we

1:07:46

were meant to be at school and I was still in primary school

1:07:48

back then and

1:07:51

I remember my

1:07:53

parents had to go and speak to the headmaster

1:07:55

like this is a really weird situation

1:07:58

. But they explained to

1:08:00

me and they were like , yeah , that's totally cool

1:08:02

, as long as when , if he comes

1:08:04

back , we'll show it at school

1:08:07

. If he comes back , if he comes back like I'm going

1:08:09

to Vietnam or something like that you

1:08:11

weren't there , man .

1:08:12

you weren't there , man .

1:08:13

You weren't there . Um

1:08:15

, so , uh , so yeah , obviously

1:08:18

I came back and , um , the ironic

1:08:20

thing was my dad was like I've

1:08:22

got to take a day off work to come and drive you all

1:08:24

the way to East London . And

1:08:26

then , obviously , once I won , he was like that's great son

1:08:29

, now I've got to take another day off work . I'm like , oh

1:08:31

, I'm so . I'm so sorry , dad . Um

1:08:33

, so yeah , I remember going back and

1:08:36

I didn't tell anyone what

1:08:38

had happened . They were like , all right , you must have just got knocked

1:08:40

out . I didn't tell anybody and I remember

1:08:42

the night the episode

1:08:44

came out and literally going to school

1:08:46

the next day and everyone was like what

1:08:49

? And I was like , yes , so

1:08:52

yeah , it was , it was just a crazy , crazy

1:08:55

ride . And then obviously to to play the video

1:08:57

is was just again . It was just

1:08:59

a very weird experience and , thinking

1:09:02

back as a a nine year

1:09:04

old boy , to have that level of

1:09:06

pressure put on my shoulders and it

1:09:08

was , I

1:09:10

mean , it really did get to me at one

1:09:12

point and I think the tipping point you've probably

1:09:14

seen it was um , or

1:09:17

maybe you haven't seen it was . There's a point in

1:09:19

uh , beat the elite when Violet

1:09:21

Blade comes out and assaults this

1:09:23

guy with a baseball

1:09:25

bat .

1:09:26

Right .

1:09:26

They didn't tell me they were going to do that

1:09:28

. So so imagine

1:09:31

, as a nine year old kid , seeing

1:09:33

a man dressed as a pirate with a baseball

1:09:36

bat come on stage . Bob

1:09:38

Mills pulls me in . I'm like

1:09:40

huh , seeing a big boy , barry

1:09:42

, get smacked in the stomach with his baseball

1:09:44

back , and then frog marched off with him and

1:09:47

I'm just like that's

1:09:50

going to be that's going to be .

1:09:52

some literally control me right

1:09:54

there In 10 minutes just tears

1:09:57

.

1:09:57

And then everyone was like what's going on ? And I'm like

1:09:59

, uh , he just got hit . They were like , no , no , no

1:10:01

, it's all pretend . And then , like Rick

1:10:03

Henderson and Alex came out of Violet Blade

1:10:05

and big boy Barry and they was like , oh , you're

1:10:08

fine . They were like , yeah , it was all pretend . I'm like why didn't

1:10:10

you tell me that You're the mugs ? That's all

1:10:12

you had to say yeah . And

1:10:14

I and from that moment on my head was

1:10:16

just obviously completely , you

1:10:18

know , complete mess at that

1:10:20

point . But again , it's still great

1:10:23

memories and it's nice to be part

1:10:26

of history .

1:10:27

Yeah Well , I don't think the

1:10:30

thing with games world was at

1:10:32

the time it was only on sky

1:10:35

and not everyone had sky at the time , so

1:10:38

it wasn't really certainly

1:10:40

at my school it wasn't as as

1:10:43

known a thing , and also not everyone was really

1:10:45

that into gaming at my

1:10:47

school , so so so it

1:10:49

was really just this very sort

1:10:51

of small but dedicated and

1:10:53

like enthusiastic

1:10:56

community . You know cause

1:10:58

? I loved all that stuff . I used

1:11:00

to buy all the gaming magazines as well . I

1:11:03

remember what was the gaming magazine , but every

1:11:05

week was , or every month , they

1:11:07

would have fan

1:11:10

art and basically the fan

1:11:12

art would base only be just

1:11:15

really horrific images of Mario

1:11:17

and Sonic maiming each other . I

1:11:19

can't remember what the magazine was . Do you remember that

1:11:21

at all , do

1:11:23

you ?

1:11:24

remember . Do you remember that ? I'm trying to remember , but

1:11:26

now you said that it has brought back a few

1:11:28

memories of some of

1:11:30

those . I'm trying to remember what ?

1:11:32

that's like Sonic the Hedgehog turning himself into a

1:11:34

saw blade and cutting off Mario's

1:11:36

head , and it was . It was all

1:11:38

pictures like that , but drawn with colored

1:11:40

pencil , so like

1:11:42

crayon almost .

1:11:45

I'm genuinely trying to remember what magazine that would

1:11:47

have been , so I'm just cast my mind back , because you have

1:11:49

things like Mean Machines magazine . There

1:11:51

would have been the official then 10 day magazine , games

1:11:54

Master obviously being one as well . Edge

1:11:57

, I think , was around then . Cool

1:12:01

, I'm trying to remember some of the others , but it just it

1:12:03

always , it always .

1:12:04

Just like that . I sort

1:12:06

of weirdly look forward to seeing

1:12:08

what horrible images were in

1:12:10

this week , but

1:12:13

that was the thing . So , like with

1:12:15

Games World , like you were sort of part

1:12:17

of this community , but it was very

1:12:19

, you know , because no one really

1:12:21

talks about Games World anymore it was very hard

1:12:23

, excuse me , it was very hard to find

1:12:26

your video

1:12:28

, but , oh man , you should have seen my face . When

1:12:30

I found it , though , I

1:12:33

was streaming on Twitch for a while and I just forgot

1:12:35

that I had done it . I

1:12:37

had forgotten that I had been on James Weld and

1:12:40

then , while I was streaming on Twitch , I went oh yeah

1:12:42

, I did that thing once . I

1:12:45

should probably look that up because it's quite relevant to Twitch . I

1:12:48

should probably try and look it up . And it took

1:12:50

about a couple of days worth of looking like

1:12:52

, because I couldn't remember the year . I obviously

1:12:54

couldn't remember the episode , but

1:12:57

the thumbnail . I found the thumbnail and I

1:12:59

recognized your face .

1:13:01

That little shit , I remember it Like

1:13:03

well this has got to be the episode .

1:13:07

So then when it eventually , when I saw

1:13:09

it I literally I was on my own . It was

1:13:11

like the middle of the night and I was on my own in my living room , but

1:13:13

like fist pumping in the air , kind of

1:13:16

like , yes , here it

1:13:18

is , my utter humiliation

1:13:20

on television . What a weird thing to

1:13:22

celebrate . But here , we go

1:13:25

. So yeah , brilliant

1:13:27

.

1:13:27

Yeah , it's funny because I've still got the video

1:13:29

footage and I was half tempted to actually

1:13:32

see if I could attempt

1:13:34

to upscale it to 4k just to see

1:13:36

what would happen and then re-release

1:13:38

the whole lot . But I don't know

1:13:40

, that's a project for another day and

1:13:42

another time . But yeah

1:13:45

, it's still weird

1:13:47

sometimes even looking back and remembering

1:13:49

those days Because now it's

1:13:51

so long ago , but some of those

1:13:54

memories are still so vivid and

1:13:56

fresh in my mind .

1:13:57

Oh yeah . I

1:14:00

remember , as I say , I remember vividly how

1:14:02

cold it was . I remember

1:14:04

how nice the

1:14:08

soldiers were .

1:14:10

Yeah , they were awesome , they were so

1:14:12

nice those guys .

1:14:16

They were really , especially looking

1:14:18

back on it and with my dad

1:14:20

and being a performer like myself I've

1:14:23

done acting and I've done that kind

1:14:25

of thing where it's sort of what's

1:14:28

the word I'm looking for , it's sort of like roaming performer

1:14:31

at festivals and stuff like that . I don't know

1:14:33

if you've ever done that as a job . I haven't . You're

1:14:37

in character and so

1:14:39

you're not being yourself , you are being

1:14:41

someone completely different

1:14:43

and that's sort of what they're doing . So

1:14:45

when they're sort of dropping character and just being nice

1:14:48

to you , and I'm realising when

1:14:50

I look back they're just jobbing actors . That's

1:14:53

all they were . It was

1:14:55

just a great show that they put on . You

1:14:57

can't fault . Yes , it was very 90s

1:14:59

, but they made this effort

1:15:01

to make it have this atmosphere

1:15:04

and this character . I think they

1:15:06

really because the game's already used to be a bit dry

1:15:08

and that season where they made

1:15:10

it apocalyptic and all of that they

1:15:12

gave it some more character . Yeah , I agree

1:15:15

it was really cool . I think they tried

1:15:17

too hard by doing like the big

1:15:19

boy Barry sitcom and

1:15:21

stuff like that . I think they tried to milk

1:15:23

something , which

1:15:26

was a shame , although it did introduce

1:15:28

the world , I think , to David Walliams that is correct

1:15:30

, 100% correct . But

1:15:34

I just I appreciate

1:15:37

the fact that it existed because

1:15:39

I don't think like these days there isn't really

1:15:41

something on television for

1:15:43

gaming . I

1:15:46

don't , unless I it's something that would be great

1:15:48

for Netflix or Amazon Prime or

1:15:51

it's something like that . But I'm not saying

1:15:53

bring back Games World , I'm just saying I

1:15:57

guess YouTube and Twitch kind of have made

1:15:59

it unnecessary .

1:16:02

There's something about a TV

1:16:05

production type event

1:16:08

around gaming . You know even something when you

1:16:10

think about EVO championships , the

1:16:12

fighting game tournaments in Las Vegas , like

1:16:14

watching those and even watching

1:16:16

documentaries about those , you

1:16:19

can't help but get caught up in the hype

1:16:21

. You know , and I think that was kind of what

1:16:24

the atmosphere

1:16:26

was , especially with Games

1:16:28

World and Games Master . I mean , I get people

1:16:30

from all over the world come to some of my streams and

1:16:32

they're like we never had anything

1:16:34

like that in our part of the world , especially in

1:16:36

South America or certain parts in Europe . So

1:16:39

we were incredibly lucky in the UK to have

1:16:41

, you know , shows like Bad Influence came

1:16:43

around as well . So

1:16:46

many other hugely influential

1:16:48

you know kind

1:16:50

of gaming related or computer related things

1:16:52

and I guess , realistically going

1:16:55

all the way back to probably the what

1:16:57

? Early or late 60s , early 70s

1:16:59

, you have like the BBC movement of getting people

1:17:02

into programming and getting computers at home . There

1:17:04

would be a dedicated TV show which I think

1:17:06

is actually in the BBC archives on iPlayer

1:17:09

, where you can actually see like , oh , here's

1:17:11

how you own a BBC micro , here

1:17:13

is how you load a disk , here is how you do stuff , and

1:17:15

this was a broad a broadcasted

1:17:18

TV thing , so people would actually sit

1:17:20

down and watch these things . And

1:17:22

then we've come all the way to being able

1:17:24

to click on Twitch and watch someone instantly

1:17:26

broadcast something live , which is it's . It's

1:17:29

crazy . But talking

1:17:31

to Alex about his

1:17:34

introduction to Games

1:17:36

Master , getting into Games World , as

1:17:38

you mentioned , the spin-off series working with David

1:17:41

Walliams it's just if

1:17:43

you drew a Venn diagram , it would

1:17:45

be endless , with just people being interconnected

1:17:48

with each other . It's just the

1:17:50

more people I talk to from either

1:17:52

Games World or Games Master , it

1:17:55

just it makes me so honored

1:17:59

to even be part of , I guess , gaming

1:18:02

stroke TV history , but also just

1:18:04

how interconnected and how small the world really is . As

1:18:07

you said , the entertainment industry . You're

1:18:10

never that far away from someone else who's connected

1:18:12

to someone else , and that's certainly

1:18:14

how it was .

1:18:16

The cliche phrase of six degrees of Kevin Bacon , six

1:18:20

degrees of Big Boy Barry .

1:18:24

That needs to be a T-shirt . I'm going to speak

1:18:26

to him and see if we can get that . Well

1:18:29

, I mean one of the things that Alex did mention

1:18:31

. Obviously we've had the revival of

1:18:34

Games Master . Apparently

1:18:36

they are looking at doing a new series

1:18:39

based on the relative success of

1:18:41

the trial period

1:18:43

. I said to him is there the

1:18:46

potential of a Games World series

1:18:48

? And he said let's just say I've

1:18:50

pitched it and they've not shot it down yet

1:18:52

. My win , I see .

1:18:55

Let me tell you a bit of 90s

1:18:57

stuff that I've been involved in over

1:18:59

the years as well . I completely forgot about this

1:19:01

. Do you remember Nightmare ? Yes

1:19:04

, side step left , side step

1:19:06

right , that sort of stuff . I

1:19:08

was involved in bringing

1:19:11

it to live a few

1:19:13

years back in 2013

1:19:15

. Wow , 10 years

1:19:17

ago now , jesus . But

1:19:20

yes , so I was working with this double act , but

1:19:22

then that double act sort of broke

1:19:24

up and then I became part of that

1:19:27

double act , but I also started working

1:19:29

with the other one , on Nightmare

1:19:31

, and I ended up doing the music

1:19:33

for Nightmare Live

1:19:35

, as it was called , and

1:19:38

that was a no daunting task

1:19:40

. It was to be just like OK , recreate

1:19:43

the theme to nightmare Easy

1:19:46

, that'll please everyone , that'll be easy

1:19:49

to do . A version that will please absolutely

1:19:51

everybody knowing , because at

1:19:53

the time the internet existed . So I was like I

1:19:55

know what the internet's like . And now Jesus

1:19:57

, and there were some comments were just like well

1:20:00

, it just sounds like MIDI . And you're just

1:20:02

like yes , I'd love to be able to afford an orchestra

1:20:04

. Thanks very much .

1:20:07

And now on stage film

1:20:09

mocking orchestra . Come on down

1:20:11

, Jesus .

1:20:14

But so , yeah , I ended up doing some

1:20:16

sound design and music

1:20:18

and then I was basically

1:20:20

the sound engineer and lighting technician

1:20:23

for it for the Edinburgh Fringe in

1:20:25

2013 . And then we brought

1:20:27

it to London and I was essentially like

1:20:29

technical director of but

1:20:32

it was all sort of Paul Flannery's like

1:20:34

brainchild , because they wanted to

1:20:36

do Funhouse .

1:20:38

They wanted to do .

1:20:39

Funhouse , but it would cost them like 100,000

1:20:41

pounds just for the rights .

1:20:44

Or is that just for the twins ?

1:20:48

Who weren't actually twins . No , they were , they were

1:20:50

. I think there was a room that they weren't

1:20:52

actually twins but they definitely were . But

1:20:54

the but with

1:20:57

nightmares is a lovely story . He

1:20:59

emailed the creator of nightmare and

1:21:01

said I would like to do this . Can

1:21:03

I get your blessing , and is

1:21:06

it going to be okay to do it ? And the response

1:21:08

he got from the creator of nightmare was welcome

1:21:11

to level one .

1:21:12

Wow , that's awesome that

1:21:14

is awesome , so

1:21:17

sweet .

1:21:20

I got to meet Tragar and it

1:21:22

was cool . It was a really

1:21:24

cool time to be involved in that .

1:21:28

You mentioned about remakes . I mean

1:21:30

that is a perfect example where

1:21:32

I think if you go with the right mentality

1:21:35

and the right heart and the right reason

1:21:37

, the whole thing works together . There's

1:21:39

a lot of remakes that are done for a

1:21:42

quick cash grab or just

1:21:45

to hit the hype train that's going around at the

1:21:47

point . But in that example

1:21:49

I mean that is a beautiful story

1:21:51

of just how passion

1:21:53

and enthusiasm with

1:21:55

the original person I mean you can ask for a better

1:21:58

acceptance . Yeah , agreed

1:22:00

.

1:22:00

Yeah , there's a really what's the word ? I'm

1:22:03

also blanking on the word , but it just was just

1:22:05

a humble response

1:22:08

, just really just like

1:22:10

. It was almost like saying thank you as

1:22:12

well as getting permission . It was like thank you for

1:22:14

doing it kind of thing , and it

1:22:16

was great and to be

1:22:18

involved in that . At the same time they did do

1:22:20

a quick like few episodes of

1:22:23

like Nightmare , but with other comedians

1:22:25

like playing it as well and

1:22:27

having the original Tragar for that . I

1:22:30

don't think it did well enough for it to like

1:22:32

fully come back . Unfortunately , the stage show

1:22:34

did great . The stage show toured and was

1:22:36

like selling out . It was a great

1:22:39

thing . I

1:22:42

just , as going back to that point of

1:22:44

I just would like to see something like Games

1:22:46

World again , like competitive gaming

1:22:48

on television again in

1:22:51

some way or another .

1:22:53

I pitched this idea to big

1:22:55

boy Barry once and by the time I'd

1:22:57

finished his eyes lit up like a Christmas

1:22:59

tree and he said there's any one problem

1:23:01

, the budget and basically

1:23:03

it was gaming meets

1:23:06

professional wrestling . So

1:23:08

like the showmanship , the

1:23:10

whole performance , entrance

1:23:12

stuff of professional wrestling

1:23:14

meeting professional gaming just

1:23:17

in an arena like the O2 , with entrances

1:23:19

and pyrotechnics or anything , that would

1:23:21

be something like

1:23:23

that .

1:23:24

I mean not entirely that , because it's a different

1:23:26

thing , but the part of your concept

1:23:28

exists , but it's movie trivia . Yeah

1:23:31

, it stops now . Did you ever watch

1:23:33

the movie ?

1:23:33

trivia show now .

1:23:35

I did .

1:23:35

Yeah , exactly that .

1:23:37

And I loved the movie trivish mode . I

1:23:40

stopped watching it during pandemic because I couldn't be bothered

1:23:43

to watch any more zooms chats . I

1:23:45

couldn't watch the zoom chats anymore . I just got so

1:23:47

done with zoom chats is like I've got to deal with my own now I've

1:23:49

got to watch other people . Zoom chats no , yeah

1:23:52

.

1:23:52

The last thing I want to do is watch people

1:23:55

do the thing that I've been doing for two years Now . You're

1:23:57

okay . So it's the person who's filming a podcast

1:23:59

, but that's fine .

1:24:01

Hey , that was the one zoom chat that

1:24:03

I , you know , like doing , doing the podcast

1:24:05

. I'm glad with this because I don't have

1:24:07

to do any recording or editing . So I'm very

1:24:10

happy with this scenario right

1:24:12

now . But

1:24:15

yeah , I got very done with that . But I

1:24:18

like that idea . I like because I

1:24:20

don't watch wrestling anymore . I've really done . I used to

1:24:22

love it and I got to see it live a couple of times

1:24:25

, like I . Actually I saw hacks or Jim Duggan

1:24:27

live once , which

1:24:29

was , which was really cool . British Bulldog Hulk

1:24:31

Hogan saw him live , I think it was an L was caught

1:24:33

arena or something like that , which

1:24:36

was , which was really really fun . But

1:24:39

I like the because wrestling

1:24:41

is so fake . But when it's done sort of like for

1:24:43

comedy because I don't think wrestling is really done

1:24:45

for comedy , sure , excuse me . I

1:24:48

think wrestling kind of is done for comedy but it

1:24:50

takes itself kind of seriously as well . It's Italy

1:24:52

. It tries to do something serious . Fun

1:24:55

fact do you know who they got in

1:24:57

once to help people with

1:24:59

their acting in wrestling ? Freddie

1:25:02

Prinze Jr . He

1:25:05

worked for the WWE for a little bit

1:25:07

.

1:25:07

Really , that's insane .

1:25:10

He's a big wrestling fan and worked

1:25:12

for the WWE for a bit to help with

1:25:14

some of their performances

1:25:16

. He didn't laugh very long , it's like six months

1:25:19

. He was like doing stuff for them . But yeah

1:25:21

, freddie Prinze Jr was sort

1:25:23

of behind the scenes and WWE for a bit .

1:25:25

I just can't imagine him and Vince McMahon sat

1:25:27

in the same room . That has brought

1:25:30

my mind apart . That is hilarious . I

1:25:33

mean I dabble , I

1:25:35

guess , with modern wrestling , but I've seen

1:25:37

a few moments where something

1:25:40

that's meant to be very serious , where

1:25:42

someone has said something , the

1:25:44

crowd has caught wind of it and it has broken

1:25:47

the moment , where just everybody is dying

1:25:50

and they're trying to hide the laughter

1:25:53

. But it's made the whole thing so much

1:25:55

better that it was meant to have been and

1:25:57

it was just . And again it's that comedy , deliverance

1:25:59

of when it's done right for

1:26:02

completely the wrong reason . It's a brilliant moment

1:26:04

. I'll see if I could find

1:26:06

one of them and send it to you , because it is absolutely

1:26:08

hilarious . And to see them try

1:26:11

and fight the moment and they

1:26:13

clearly can't and then slowly start to

1:26:15

lean into it makes it brilliant .

1:26:18

As someone who's done their fair share

1:26:20

of breaking

1:26:23

the character on stage and things like that . Audience

1:26:26

is kind of like that more than anything

1:26:28

else , and to the point where what we ended up

1:26:30

doing we would do

1:26:32

it on purpose . In

1:26:35

the end , we would basically

1:26:37

add a bit where we broke character

1:26:39

as a scripted bit because it ended up getting a better

1:26:41

reaction than the original bit that we wrote . Sure

1:26:44

, so we do a bit where I would

1:26:46

start laughing at something when I'm not supposed

1:26:48

to be laughing air quote , not

1:26:51

supposed to be laughing at that but I would start laughing

1:26:53

and that would make the audience laugh because

1:26:55

there's that thing of it makes them feel like

1:26:57

they're seeing something new and special . Exactly

1:26:59

, and I hate to say , if you ever saw me

1:27:02

with my act used to be called Ray

1:27:04

Guns , look Real Enough . If you ever saw

1:27:06

our act and you saw that

1:27:08

scene where I start laughing because I made a joke

1:27:10

about Emos and it doesn't get a big

1:27:12

laugh . So I start laughing at the fact

1:27:15

that it doesn't get a laugh and then the audience is laughing at me

1:27:17

, laughing at the fact that it didn't get a laugh and

1:27:19

it ended up being a very scripted

1:27:21

bit , even though it came across as unscripted

1:27:24

, sure , but

1:27:26

it's a very interesting thing to sort

1:27:28

of play on that fourth wall

1:27:30

breaking . It's very Deadpool kind of thing . So

1:27:34

there's , there's something to be said for for that sort

1:27:36

of thing . So I can understand why that would work

1:27:38

in the wrestling environment , because wrestling is ridiculous . It

1:27:41

is like the , not not the

1:27:43

actual wrestling itself . That's impressive because

1:27:45

it's it's some proper physical effort

1:27:47

going into that and they're

1:27:49

not . Well , yes , they're

1:27:52

hitting each other with closed fists , but they're still big

1:27:54

dudes hitting each other with closed fist . You're

1:27:57

still going to be to be dead If

1:28:00

you don't get hit by those guys .

1:28:02

I mean as much as I

1:28:04

know each other with a chair .

1:28:05

They're really hitting each other with a chair . It's

1:28:08

work as well .

1:28:09

As much as I'm not a huge fan of Logan

1:28:12

Paul , I mean the fact that he's recently

1:28:14

been involved in the WWE

1:28:17

and has seemed to just take

1:28:19

to it like he's been a natural

1:28:21

his entire life Because he's a performer

1:28:23

.

1:28:24

Exactly , and I would say to an audience

1:28:26

where a lot of other wrestlers don't really

1:28:28

know how to do that at first he

1:28:31

took to it like a Dr Walter , because he already

1:28:33

know you had to interact with an audience .

1:28:36

There is one video and I showed

1:28:38

it actually not that long ago in my stream

1:28:40

where there's him and another guy and

1:28:42

they literally jump off the ropes

1:28:45

at each other and collide

1:28:47

in the middle of ring and land and

1:28:49

you think most people would take

1:28:51

years to try and execute that . I mean

1:28:53

he's been in there for a few months and

1:28:55

does it seamlessly , but the

1:28:57

landing they both took , yeah

1:29:01

, I mean he just sort of look and go wrestling's fake

1:29:03

. But my God , that landing

1:29:05

was anything but fake and

1:29:07

you kind of see it both like we probably

1:29:10

shouldn't have done that , but that reaction was worth it . We're

1:29:12

just going to kind of squabble off now and let someone else

1:29:14

take over .

1:29:15

Yeah , oh God . Well

1:29:17

, luckily we didn't have to do that at the ages .

1:29:20

No , no , we didn't have to jump off the off

1:29:23

the top of balcony area or try and

1:29:25

throw people down the pit .

1:29:28

So imagine if it was just like . Well , no one

1:29:30

won the game of it , so now you will have

1:29:32

to wrestle each other . It's now become a Royal Rumble

1:29:34

over the top rope

1:29:36

, you go . Poor Gemma , yeah , poor

1:29:38

Gemma , may she rest

1:29:41

in peace , Although

1:29:43

she did .

1:29:45

she did beat the guy who was apparently like

1:29:47

was it 16th in England

1:29:50

at gaming or something I remember she

1:29:52

absolutely .

1:29:52

Oh , what in that first round game ?

1:29:54

Yeah , she absolutely massacred him

1:29:56

in Street Fighter and I remember Bob Mills tearing that

1:29:58

poor guy a new asshole and sort of me

1:30:00

being backstage being like .

1:30:02

Yeah , he was good at that . He was good at that . I actually

1:30:05

have met him since then .

1:30:06

Oh hey , in comedy , in comedy , he's a

1:30:08

stand-up comedian .

1:30:11

He didn't talk about it that much , but I just I

1:30:13

said that I was a contestant and because

1:30:15

he is a large man in all

1:30:18

aspects of the word , like I'm not

1:30:20

like being mean , like in oh sure , he's

1:30:23

a large frame , but tall , yeah

1:30:25

, very tall , and when we

1:30:27

were kids , like he was a giant , yeah

1:30:30

, an absolute giant of a man , he

1:30:40

was one of those people . He was like he was rude , but

1:30:43

he was allowed to be rude .

1:30:44

Yeah , agree .

1:30:45

And I don't know why you liked him , Like when

1:30:47

he , when I got off , he was just like so I hear you're an

1:30:49

expert at boogie boarding . I feel

1:30:51

very , very embarrassed about that whole thing , by the

1:30:53

way . But where he says you're an expert

1:30:56

at boogie boarding , Now what a lot of people here might

1:30:58

be thinking is what's a boogie board ? The

1:31:00

thing is , we're never going to know , because take

1:31:02

him away .

1:31:03

Yeah , it's like oh

1:31:05

, cheers , bob , thanks

1:31:07

for ruining , my life , mate Cheers .

1:31:11

We're killing your children's self-esteem

1:31:13

.

1:31:15

I've just locked . Thanks , kick me in the bollocks again

1:31:17

, why don't you ? No , thanks a lot . Oh

1:31:19

, would you like another one ? Here you go . Here's another one

1:31:21

.

1:31:22

Oh , just like kicking you in the back as you're walking away

1:31:24

, just three , three hundred-style

1:31:27

, booting you in the back down a pit , kicking you

1:31:29

. What's that scar on your

1:31:31

back ? Bob Mills foot .

1:31:33

Yeah , I'm gonna put a tattoo next to

1:31:35

just Bob Mills . His foot was here .

1:31:37

I should know I'd be quite good , I might get that yeah there

1:31:40

you go , if I'm looking again . Get him to sign my back

1:31:42

so I can get it back rude .

1:31:44

That's a brilliant idea . When

1:31:48

did you get that Games World ?

1:31:52

You won't have heard of it . Oh , absolutely .

1:31:55

Next to the tattoo is a QR code someone could

1:31:57

scan . That takes you to the exact to the exact

1:31:59

moment when it happens .

1:32:04

Can you believe QR codes are still a thing ?

1:32:07

Yeah , but do you know what I find is hilarious ? Because

1:32:09

I remember when QR codes first came out and

1:32:12

everyone was like , oh , they're really cool , and then it

1:32:14

just faded into the oblivion

1:32:16

, and then all of a sudden , it was like QR codes

1:32:18

are cool and I'm like they've been

1:32:20

around for ages . It's like , why are we getting

1:32:22

super hyped up about it ? And it was like but you can make

1:32:24

them colourful and you can put your

1:32:26

logo in the middle . And I'm like , yeah

1:32:28

, you can always do that . Scan

1:32:35

this and it takes you to a website . Yeah

1:32:37

, I know , I get how it works . It's just really

1:32:40

old tech that's now come back . It's

1:32:43

very weird , very , very weird . But

1:32:46

then again , we've had revivals of stuff like that

1:32:48

, even like record players , right yeah

1:32:50

?

1:32:50

vinyl , vinyl . Yeah , very much back

1:32:52

yeah .

1:32:54

I can't believe what year it was . I think it was 20

1:32:56

. I want to say it was 2018

1:32:59

, where there was more sales of vinyls than

1:33:01

DVDs , blu-rays and CDs

1:33:04

combined , or something insane

1:33:06

, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest .

1:33:08

One of my mates became an avid vinyl

1:33:11

collector . I've got

1:33:13

some vinyl Like I've got . Do

1:33:16

you know what I've got on vinyl ? I've got Space

1:33:18

man , Babylon Zoo on vinyl .

1:33:20

Look at that .

1:33:23

To the point , because one of the reasons why I wanted to get it on vinyl was

1:33:25

because I wanted to play it and

1:33:28

then hold it to slow it down , to hear

1:33:30

if the beginning did

1:33:32

sound like that slowed down bit

1:33:35

in . And it did , it did . It was like

1:33:37

ah , science , I like this .

1:33:40

This actually works yeah

1:33:43

.

1:33:44

I'm one of the only people in the world that actually kind

1:33:46

of enjoyed their first album . Their

1:33:50

second album is Hot Garbage . It

1:33:52

is absolutely just some of the worst music you have ever heard

1:33:54

. That first album has some actually

1:33:56

quite good tunes on it . I don't care . I quite

1:33:59

like that first Babylon Zoo album . I

1:34:01

don't even mind the slow down bits of Space man .

1:34:03

I quite like it . I

1:34:05

probably have to go back and have them cut their back

1:34:07

out .

1:34:08

No , don't , don't , it's not that good . It's

1:34:12

not that good , but I quite liked

1:34:14

it . But I've got very poor taste in things .

1:34:17

Brilliant , brilliant , oh

1:34:20

well . Well , I think we're going to

1:34:22

leave it there , but that has been

1:34:24

an incredible journey I

1:34:26

think through . About

1:34:28

Matt Blair , that's for sure . You've

1:34:30

blown my mind in many different ways , but

1:34:33

it's just incredible to be able

1:34:35

to talk to you again after all these years

1:34:37

.

1:34:38

No , genuinely thank you One . Thank you for putting the video

1:34:40

up . Thank

1:34:42

you for inviting me to do this . Thank you for this conversation . I've had

1:34:44

a wonderful time .

1:34:46

I'm glad to be here . I know I

1:34:48

like to hear , but for anyone

1:34:51

who is listening or watching , all of Matt's details

1:34:53

will be down below . There won't be

1:34:55

links to Babylon Zoo , but there will be links to

1:34:57

everything that he does . I'll make sure you go give him a follow-on

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switch , such as I have . I'll

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have to pop by your streams at some point . What days times

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do you normally stream at ?

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Sorry , at the moment I'm actually on a break because , as I said , I'm

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in the middle of moving , but

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usually Thursdays I tend to do trivia nights . I

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do the pub quiz , because my pub quiz is on a Wednesday , and

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then I just put the questions up on Twitch . There's no

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prizes , it's just

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, you know , thursdays and Sundays

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are usually a definite Thursday . Thursday

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and Sunday evenings Occasionally

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a Tuesday , if I can . But I'm

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about to change things up a little bit because I'm

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going to be doing some like music , looping streams , ok

1:35:38

, as well as games . I'm

1:35:40

waiting . I need to get Jedi Survivor and

1:35:42

I need to get Aliens

1:35:44

Dark Descent . Those are two games I really want to play , but

1:35:47

when Spider-Man 2 comes out , I'm

1:35:50

definitely going to be playing that . So

1:35:52

you'll just have to Like . If you

1:35:54

follow me on Twitch , then at some point ask for an

1:35:56

invite to the Discord , and the Discord

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is where I post all of my upcoming streams

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.

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Awesome . Well , there we go . That is all the details

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. Stay on the line , Matt , but

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it's been an

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absolute pleasure . I've learned things

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about you that I've waited 30 years to know . But

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, yeah , I mean again

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, it's just been an absolutely incredible

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journey and the start of a

1:36:20

new friendship revives , I think , is

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probably I think so , I think so . Well

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, I certainly hope you keep in

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touch . Anyway , and for anybody

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who is watching or listening , please

1:36:31

make sure you go and check all of the places where Matt

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does all of his amazing things as he strokes

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his guitar . Is that