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that episode we got a really big response to that

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so we're doing a kind of spiritual sequel

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where we talk about the her illness

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influencers including one who was friends

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with a good sense yeah we talk

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a lot about real illnesses and this month talking

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about think one of those are the best ones

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that unless it's better

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that way

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and in a day we are talking

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about same sex marriage

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know it's the other ssm

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taxonomy about she's like i'm ready for ssm

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on sunday and make just here's

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the opening bars of go into the chapel

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it's super size me were

1:36

tenuous i were size me yes which

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i asked you should i watch the

1:40

movie before we record

1:42

as and you specifically said he wanted me

1:44

slash i do wanted you fresh

1:47

for this particular conversation with my

1:49

aging memories so talk to talk about

1:51

your aging memories did your see this

1:53

movie when it came out and like just

1:56

generally what do you remember about the film and

1:58

what do you remember about serve how it was with the you

2:00

i i'm fear i may

2:02

have seen it very quickly as there

2:04

it came out on ch are

2:07

you know something that i was looking for the to and i was excited

2:09

about because i have been obsessed with this

2:11

issue for so long and i

2:14

don't like that companies and i don't like

2:16

soda companies and seem like an interesting

2:18

vessel for roasting such

2:20

companies yeah i mean the premise

2:23

of the movie is that he's

2:25

like this ostensibly healthy dude

2:27

it's she spends yeah i think it was thirty

2:29

days eating nothing but mcdonalds

2:33

and by the end of the thirty days it's like

2:35

his kidneys about the sale his like

2:37

hurt is just pumping milkshakes

2:40

just on death's door by the end of this

2:43

and i think people were like yeah these

2:45

these shock and look how

2:47

fans they are it's a little bit like jackass

2:50

food systems edition of the a place

2:54

for , food so what's your relationship

2:56

with the movie so i saw

2:58

super size me at the time

3:01

time know i would have been like twenty

3:04

one when it came out the

3:06

combat twenty one year old and

3:08

i remember watching it and

3:10

thinking this makes me feel gross

3:12

and bad but i don't know why the

3:15

and everyone i know seems to love

3:17

it's a man i didn't really give it more thought

3:20

than that but like truly everybody

3:22

i know was like okay fast food

3:24

is the reason that everyone is fact that

3:26

i had that is the core that

3:28

is the thing is a and

3:30

as we will see today you know i

3:32

don't actually think that this film

3:35

the streets a causal link i

3:37

mean i have no idea where this episode of going

3:39

but in general i think that

3:41

you can smuggle in a lot

3:44

of really retrograde ideas if

3:46

you package them as like anti corporate

3:48

for social justice or anti

3:50

inequality i don't know that's what we're going to find

3:52

in this but most of the people

3:55

who eat at mcdonalds or like you know poor

3:57

people yes you can see

3:59

i have

4:00

bit of a radar for where we might be going with this

4:02

yes you might just entering our for it

4:04

you might i nailed have been hosting the

4:06

show with me for a year and a half right as opposed

4:09

, assist assist and sense of fucking

4:11

guess that this senseless

4:13

over here unfortunately one thing before

4:15

we dive in this soaps

4:17

may be familiar that there was

4:20

a a a very unusual

4:23

sort of me to situation with the director

4:25

morgan spurlock a couple years ago so

4:27

there will be discussing today as

4:30

the specific waves calories health marker

4:32

numbers all that kind of stuff but also

4:34

toward the and sexual assault sexual

4:36

harassment and alcoholism

4:39

so just like ticker like didn't even know he got

4:41

me today nine and for my fucking

4:43

god mike if you don't know about this part

4:45

were my really don't rattle others

4:47

extremely bullied cultural moment

4:49

where it's like there's so many trashes

4:52

foods in this particular industry

4:54

css like particular industry track of

4:56

place post has been exposed and you

4:58

had a oh the way i'm in a structure

5:01

some our conversation today we're going to do a little overview

5:03

of super size me we're going to talk about this or cultural

5:05

response to us and then i'm

5:08

gonna go in on what i think our five

5:10

major fucking problems with

5:13

this movies that were knowable

5:15

in two thousand and four when it was released

5:18

i'm excited so yeah i

5:20

know you like a little structure so we get

5:22

a little structure the a little skeleton

5:24

the up a gallon didn't

5:27

skeleton super

5:31

size me was me was

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splash the documentary release

5:35

in two thousand and four that was both directed

5:37

by him starring morgan spurlock

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at the time he had been a playwright

5:43

he had done some stand up comedy

5:45

he'd worked on some sort of like gross out kind

5:47

of shows for mtv the

5:49

and this was his big sort of claim

5:52

to fame so just to start us off we're

5:54

just going to watch the trailer together

5:58

we're going on clips today we're going when

6:02

after our fat camps episode there

6:04

a bunch of

6:04

emotionally brutal moments in this

6:07

and i was like you know we don't need to do is

6:09

watch out for , doing a

6:11

lighthearted were just doing shit we

6:13

haven't felt bad about before on

6:16

this show show certain

6:18

that doesn't put a put or

6:22

a i say the link i know when you're cued

6:24

up and then you can just count as down the

6:28

i could i could see double quarter pounder

6:30

with cheese meal the i

6:35

think i mean as go supersonic

6:38

it's hard for me to watch him

6:40

go through the and like

6:42

just starting to get addicted to it

6:44

you know your numbers was in numbers are

6:47

operating

6:47

and functioning in the major harms yards

6:50

he lower your blood

6:51

noted i healed i want more more

6:53

more more

6:59

there was i guess since

7:01

the normal stuff even hear about

7:03

how the suit as addictive and he's called

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going to die

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then it's intercut was shot of

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a doll of penny wise

7:11

the clapham from it's city

7:13

slicer don't know it's

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know it's mcdonald penny wise

7:18

oh that would have a small city it's a painting

7:20

of ronald mcdonald as penny

7:22

wise ah that's

7:24

what

7:25

than ours even pretty doesn't for then

7:27

we have a comedic music which they always

7:29

put into these trailers and if we cut to

7:31

a bunch of like be role of like headless

7:33

that people just sat but in

7:35

sweatpants or leggings

7:37

preferably leggings another disappointing

7:41

to see that msp

7:42

you kind of primed me to decide

7:44

how to his senses movie last

7:46

resort oh yeah we were doing that

7:49

we were just you and that everywhere it was astonishing

7:52

how much of that footage was in the cell

7:54

or really if there were shots were there was

7:56

like a belly hanging out over

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or something they would find that if there

8:02

was like a but with a lot of sell

8:04

your late in in not really clear

8:06

that they were trying to use

8:09

fat body is too gross people out

8:11

as part of illustrating the absurd

8:14

proposed bill any of this a

8:16

mcdonald's on some level it's pretty fucked

8:18

up that i remember this as like a fun

8:20

anti corporate romp yeah totally

8:22

it's not even worth remembering in my head that

8:24

this movie i had any of those tropes

8:26

that auto that's also indicative about

8:28

like how my thinking has changed on this issue

8:31

more like that stuff was everywhere

8:33

it was a toenail your were so

8:36

essentially the central conceit of the film

8:38

is that morgan spurlock who

8:40

has a girlfriend who the vegan chef

8:43

fees very careful to emphasize that

8:45

he lives in new york city

8:47

so he walks a ton all the time

8:50

he is going to do this experiment

8:52

where the only food that he eats

8:54

for thirty days comes from

8:56

mcdonalds anytime

8:59

, prompt him to supersize he

9:01

super sizes sizes was

9:03

for folks god i guess we have to explain what supersizing

9:06

was i know rang yeah

9:09

so they're used to be at mcdonalds

9:11

in the us there was he would get small

9:13

medium large and then they added this category

9:15

called super size and the whole

9:17

ad campaign was like for thirty nine

9:20

cents or for forty nine cents or for

9:22

some very nominal amount you

9:24

could get this gigantic container

9:26

of fries and soda so

9:29

anytime they asked him that he would supersize

9:31

he also aims for

9:34

what he says is the average amount

9:36

of stepson american gets in a day which at that

9:38

point he says was five thousand steps

9:41

so he wears a pedometer and

9:43

when he's getting close to five thousand steps

9:45

he starts taking cabs also he's

9:47

he's trying to live

9:49

the average american

9:51

lifestyle he's trying to recreate the car

9:53

centric know walking all

9:55

fast food lifestyle of like the

9:58

average american as can see

10:00

by him he's doing not only exercise

10:02

side put on the food inside

10:04

the average american is not eating three

10:06

meals a day at mcdonalds yeah every

10:08

day for about three also

10:11

none of the rules say that he has to

10:13

eat everything that he orders but he seems

10:15

to do that none of the rules say that he has

10:17

to get full sugar so does but he does

10:20

that to right so obviously he's

10:22

stacking the deck so that his health markers

10:24

get as bad any games as much weight

10:26

as possible

10:28

so the results of his experiments

10:30

as the film presents them are

10:32

also

10:33

really splashy so we're going to watch this clip from

10:35

the end of the film where

10:37

he sort of recaps here's what happened

10:40

to my house i remember this and

10:44

, days of eating nothing but mcdonalds i

10:46

gained twenty four and a half pounds my

10:48

liver it turns to fat and my cholesterol

10:50

shot up sixty five points my

10:52

body fat percentage away from eleven to eighteen

10:54

percent still below the national average

10:57

of twenty two per cent for men and thirty per cent for

10:59

women i nearly doubled my risk

11:01

of coronary heart disease making myself

11:03

twice as likely to have heart failure

11:05

i felt depressed and exhausted most of the time

11:08

my mood swung on a dime and my sex

11:10

life was nonexistent nonexistent

11:12

crave this food more and more when i ate

11:15

it and gotten massive headaches when i when

11:18

in my final blood test many of my

11:20

body functions showed signs of improvement

11:22

but the doctors were less than optimistic

11:26

tell me what you think now i

11:28

mean it's now i hope

11:30

a podcast that the bunch of

11:32

, science so now i'm like to

11:35

see city for i dislike tell

11:38

me about the red flags i mean

11:40

the addiction stuff scenes

11:42

the the the i get headaches

11:44

and i don't eat it still seems say i

11:47

doubled my risk of heart that is

11:49

also an interesting question because

11:52

people his age are extremely

11:54

unlikely to get a heart attack still i

11:57

don't know what that actually means to say that

11:59

he's twice as

12:00

actually we get her failure and

12:03

risk use prediction

12:05

based in other markers right and you don't

12:07

you don't like go to the doctor and they don't

12:09

like put a stethoscope to your heart

12:11

and go ooh you've doubled your risk for heart does he

12:13

use like know they're like looking at

12:15

multiple other markers to predict that

12:18

risk right it's not as hard and fast

12:20

as say his cholesterol going up like that's alarming

12:22

i get that also speaking

12:24

of hard and fast the stuff about sex

12:27

doesn't either there was

12:29

there was circle it like circled is junk

12:31

and then it said worthless next to it

12:33

yeah which is actually pretty funny as like a visual

12:36

but the idea that like fast food affect your

12:38

sex drive i i dunno yeah

12:40

well and also like there is some stuff in

12:43

the

12:43

film of his girlfriend who as we mentioned

12:45

earlier is like her kyron

12:47

in the film says like healthy vegan

12:49

chef because there's quite a bit where she talks

12:51

about like we're not having good sex

12:53

but there's not really an exploration of like

12:56

she talks quite a bit about being really

12:59

, by this project really not

13:01

into it really opposed to it and

13:04

she is also like a very thin person

13:07

so i don't know how much of that is

13:10

of direct result of food

13:12

that is impacting his performance

13:14

and how much of that is her being like i'm

13:16

grossed out by this dude who's eating dude who's which

13:18

i'm morally opposed to write or

13:21

i'm grossed out by this dude is gaining weight

13:23

rate it's like also a very possible thing

13:25

and of the thing that people would happily

13:27

and proudly say out loud in two thousand

13:29

and four to anyone who had less also like

13:31

they need it's intention in this movie that sure you

13:34

know no we have to have been states in

13:36

the main personal narratives yeah so

13:38

the not to say that they were faking it or anything

13:40

but it's like again they have the incentive to

13:43

play fc tensions that does created

13:45

in a relationship so it's

13:47

worth noting that this was like

13:49

an extremely award

13:51

winning documentary at

13:53

the time

13:54

the one sunday

13:56

and says documentary directing award

13:58

it won the wg a warren from documentary

14:01

screenplay it was nominated

14:03

for an oscar for best feature length

14:05

documentary oh god i will say like

14:08

i feel like i've already tip my hat on this i'm not a fan of

14:10

this film ooh ooh we've

14:12

reached the big to feel pride

14:14

surprise the like the like

14:16

i'm like really impressed

14:18

upon by the number of like really good

14:20

thoughtful people who were also

14:23

like pretty far to the left and had pretty good

14:25

analysis of power and privilege and all of that kind

14:27

of stuff who went so happily

14:30

into the world of this

14:32

movie and with so happily along

14:34

with it and so unquestioningly along with

14:36

it man i i definitely

14:38

was one of those people who like unquestioningly accepted

14:40

the yeah i'm not going to like try to get myself

14:42

off the hook by saying that like why didn't read and

14:44

a new yorker that there was any debate

14:46

about this yeah but yeah i mean i just

14:49

don't remember it being the

14:51

target of any kind of controversy

14:53

it was just think really obvious that fast

14:55

food is bad and yeah it's making a fat and

14:57

sick yeah i think it's really

14:59

fucking hard to talk about the

15:02

degree to which particularly

15:04

like white people on the left are willing

15:06

to go real fucking hard on the fast food but

15:08

never articulate the class and race

15:10

politics that go right to that right when

15:12

you are thinking and talking about who

15:15

eats at mcdonalds you're talking about poor

15:17

people you're probably imagining people of color

15:20

re all of that unchecked weird

15:22

classism and racism and all that kind of stuff

15:24

rears its head and sort of is like

15:27

rocket fuel to like

15:29

you know powering these you know disdain

15:31

with mcdonalds which is also a

15:34

great deal of disdain at like who eats

15:36

at mcdonalds three yeah

15:38

when we meet his maker and he is trash

15:40

it's citizens' rights or city globally

15:42

super bowl mix on

15:44

labour bracket his face if

15:46

you want to get really to be as i

15:49

am on interested in descending be corporate

15:51

practices of sassy

15:53

cloud of fuck lying or no

15:56

service but i'm also interested

15:58

also interested antiques of

16:01

mcdonald's by people who don't eat at

16:03

mcdonalds to power

16:05

the stigma and judgment of people

16:07

who do what i'm taking away

16:09

from this so far is that the only

16:11

entities that you have defended on the show our angela

16:14

lansbury and mcdonald's corporation yeah

16:18

unproblematic are so

16:21

should we dig into the fire things

16:23

that i think this gets wrong yeah debunked me

16:25

let me put me in the d bunk beds even

16:28

says ah so the

16:30

first thing that i think is

16:32

not rate is a eat misrepresents

16:35

key facts and it does so repeatedly

16:37

success so the first one this is like a

16:39

gimme and mean of sees world it

16:41

uncritically and repeatedly uses the

16:44

three hundred thousand deaths each year from obesity

16:47

number oh ah

16:50

around on the show of

16:52

mortality estimates are really hard to get

16:54

you in terms of like isolating

16:56

a single cause for someone's desk

16:59

frightened that three hundred thousand deaths number

17:01

came from we assume that every fat

17:03

person who died died of being sat prep

17:06

so either morgan

17:08

spurlock and those sort of team that made this

17:10

film we're not looking at the primary

17:12

sources or they didn't care

17:14

to talk about ads

17:16

or they're just looking at popular media

17:19

and reporting out the last that are in popular media

17:21

and all three of those do not speak highly

17:24

to the research of the sell for and i mean they

17:26

needed the biggest number to establish the stakes

17:28

are documentary

17:28

there is another really

17:31

fucking important key fact that he

17:33

misrepresents here and

17:34

the media widely misrepresented here

17:37

he , that the inspiration for making

17:39

this film was a two thousand and two lawsuit

17:41

filed against mcdonalds mcdonalds

17:44

pellman v mcdonald's is this the

17:46

woman who was suing mcdonalds

17:48

because she was fat basically yeah i mean you

17:51

totally nailed like that was the thing was

17:53

like oh my god can you believe how

17:56

absurd and how self

17:58

important and how on in

18:00

i'm people can be that they would

18:02

sue mcdonalds because they said they were surprised

18:04

that it made them fat so two

18:06

things one this wasn't like some lady

18:09

suing mcdonalds these were two black

18:11

teenagers from the bronx and

18:13

there was there was fucking pylon from

18:16

white media yeah but also

18:18

that's not what the fucking lawsuit was

18:21

they'd never the so i would propose

18:23

original fucking court filings and

18:26

, bunch of like legal analysis of the sky

18:28

how like let's roll

18:31

roll of this was a designed

18:34

as a hearse he's in a wave of impact

18:36

litigation right impact litigation

18:38

is lawsuits that are designed to sort of change

18:41

laws or practices or regulations

18:43

or jurisprudence rate the

18:45

cool of this suit largely as

18:47

far as most of the legal analysis that i read

18:50

found was to engage in

18:52

discovery and reveal

18:54

publicly a bunch of internal documents

18:57

about macdonalds shitty corporate

18:59

practices so

19:02

the grounds for this suit

19:04

was that mcdonald's was engaging and

19:06

false advertising uh-huh

19:08

and that it knew and it's product

19:10

was dangerous and did not disclose

19:13

that danger to consumers so the the

19:15

framework that they're using your is essentially the

19:17

same kind of framework that gets framework surgeon general's

19:19

warnings surgeon pack of cigarettes

19:22

right that's the thing that's there aiming

19:24

at not that it makes people sat

19:26

per se although that is absolutely part of

19:28

it and of garbage rhetoric

19:30

but much more that like the issue here

19:32

is this company is

19:33

using a product that they know is dangerous

19:36

and they're not born in consumers and

19:38

we have a precedent for these companies

19:40

being expected to warn consumers of the dean

19:42

of their products and they're not doing

19:44

right the lawsuit was it

19:46

dragged on for sucking ever it was dismissed

19:49

thou prejudice a couple years after was

19:51

filed by the judge and

19:53

it wasn't until twenty ten that that it

19:55

was finally denied class action

19:57

status fava i

20:00

going to send you a quote

20:02

from a really helpful piece of analysis

20:05

from bloomberg law it

20:07

says it will be extraordinarily does

20:09

god for any plaintiff individually or

20:11

as part of a class to hold a single

20:13

food or beverage manufacturer liable for

20:15

obesity related injuries in

20:17

order to prevail on any theory of liability

20:19

requiring proof of medical causation

20:22

a plaintive must prove that the manufacturers

20:24

product was he substantial cause

20:26

of her injury not just one of

20:28

a number of contributing causes the

20:30

problem of obesity in america has

20:32

no single cause that's what we're gonna say

20:35

is like it's it's really hard to draw a

20:37

straight line from mc donald's

20:39

to yeah food related illness in

20:41

america and you can say the fast food industry

20:44

may be or the food system may be

20:46

but kind of the problem is that you

20:48

can't really poll any specific

20:51

actor oh yes i want to be clear

20:54

lake so has like deeply fucking

20:56

mixed feelings about the shit they think

20:58

corporations should be able to be held

21:00

accountable and should be able to face litigation

21:03

and all kinds of stuff rate but

21:05

i also think the grounds of this argument being

21:07

like mcdonalds is why people fat

21:09

like you can't actually fucking prove that the

21:11

and is almost twenty years later

21:13

and we still don't know why

21:16

most people are fat or how they got

21:18

that way you know scientifically incontrovertible

21:21

kind of tested narrative right right

21:23

so like the idea that twenty years ago

21:25

with the data we had then we could say the reason

21:28

people are fat as mcdonalds just reeks

21:30

of we're looking for

21:33

someone to blame yeah in this

21:35

film he talks about this lawsuit a little tiny

21:37

bit and then he interviews

21:40

the attorney the lead plaintiffs

21:42

representation in this lawsuit and

21:44

he asks him

21:46

okay so why did you

21:48

where are you interest in this case and the guy kind of smiles

21:50

he goes he mean aside from financial

21:52

incentives oh and

21:55

that's the only clip he shows of the

21:57

lawyer nice so he's pretty

21:59

much my oldest is just a bunch of greedy lawyers

22:02

doing and frivolous lawsuits levels

22:04

of a boss and he doesn't really get into

22:06

like

22:07

actually this lawsuit is trying to prove the

22:09

same point think you are i think you're

22:11

both incur two or at least not

22:13

getting the complete picture the year he i

22:15

swear i don't know man it's a whole

22:17

thing just gives me out so hard because like i don't

22:20

think that the grounds for this lawsuit or the argument

22:22

for this lawsuit is like a good one that

22:25

i also don't

22:26

that the way that it was portrayed was accurate

22:28

night and also i mean if

22:30

they had gone to the discussion

22:31

we face they probably would have gotten some really good stuff

22:34

on the same totally fucked yeah

22:37

like i have that

22:39

there are straight up skeletor

22:41

memo yeah what yeah fucking

22:44

mcdonalds corporate hq yeah

22:46

okay thing to this is where we get

22:48

into some smoking

22:50

gun territory who are super

22:53

size me with home the important

22:55

info

22:55

the kitchen about his experiments

22:58

i've been waiting for this because the i he must

23:00

have been twisting these

23:02

like medical members and his routines and

23:04

everything like that on it's face as it doesn't

23:06

really hold up so throughout the film morgan

23:09

spurlock and his nutritious both

23:11

say that see was eating

23:13

about five thousand calories a day they see

23:15

it several times soon

23:18

number of other filmmakers to there

23:20

were like a rebuttal documentaries

23:22

to the present me at the time for hey

23:24

a number of those documents harry and some

23:27

reporters and other folks like science

23:29

teachers trying to figure

23:31

out how to make this happen based

23:33

on the mcdonald's menu at the time

23:35

soon they could not get you

23:38

five thousand calories per day

23:40

we but i don't understand how you can't get to five

23:42

thousand calories key just go in there by like twelve

23:45

milkshakes i mean what they were saying

23:47

the one breakfast meal one

23:49

lunch meal oh god dinner meal and

23:51

even desserts with lunch and dinner

23:54

they were still like can't bear

23:56

to do you do like a big mac us your value meal

23:58

for lunch and dinner

24:00

and then the like breakfast meal for breakfast

24:02

that doesn't get you anywhere close to five thousand calories

24:04

and even if you add mcclure user

24:07

or whatever wow lunch

24:09

and dinner it's still didn't get folks to five

24:11

thousand calories he should've done it the

24:13

cheesecake factory actually

24:16

do that in like one dish yeah

24:20

wait let me click me click i'm actually

24:22

really curious now big

24:24

mac

24:26

larry's i'm sure it's changed

24:28

since two thousand five hundred has to be as

24:31

a big mac itself is

24:33

five hundred and sixty three calories today

24:35

yeah you'd have to eat nine big mess in a day

24:37

to get you to five thousand towers which is like a lot

24:40

totally you know a

24:41

in it feels like it's just a little

24:44

nudge in the direction of like seems

24:46

like this is being sensationalize the and like

24:48

things are being overstated a little bit some

24:51

folks tried to replicate the health effects

24:53

of his experiment and

24:55

no one has been able to the health

24:57

stuff i mean i'm sure that and thirty days you could affect

24:59

your health markers i dunno if you can get

25:02

them to like near death okay

25:04

okay you're

25:07

like provide on your fucking

25:09

rat a your coin the up like a little leper

25:12

right now sir , sir sir

25:16

so deeply ready to fucking

25:18

to so

25:21

she sings one in the trailer we've

25:23

got this clip of the doctor been like you're going to die

25:26

you die yeah that's in response to

25:28

a question that spurlock asks where question that

25:30

like if i can he knew this for months

25:32

or years what would happen oh so

25:34

it's in response a hypothetical it's not him

25:36

saying you're dancing you're going

25:38

to die in the space of this thirty

25:41

days straight but

25:43

, than that's one of

25:45

the biggest sort of smoking gun

25:47

things that the some presents is

25:50

that spurlock had significant

25:52

liver damage right from thirty

25:55

days just one month of eating this way

25:57

and he's like oh my god look my god happened my liver

26:00

though the film doesn't offer any explanation for

26:02

that liver damage other than thirty days

26:04

of adults and in twenty

26:06

seven teams morgan spurlock

26:08

disclose that he was an alcoholic

26:11

the incident he had been drinking every

26:13

we had not been sober for for a week

26:16

since he was thirteen ah

26:19

right decades and decades of

26:21

hard

26:21

in king and then at the end of this film they're

26:23

like oh my god look at the liver damage

26:26

used to stay in just from one month of mcdonalds

26:28

is sort of what you're meant to conclude from

26:30

the i saw it didn't take a baseline

26:33

they if they did he

26:34

not they do not specifically talk

26:36

about the state of his liver at the beginning of

26:38

that sell so thank me going to the doctor

26:41

and they're like your five foot six and

26:43

i'm like after thirty days of this

26:45

diet slices yes yes

26:48

and even five or six for awhile yeah

26:51

so like alcoholism like alcoholism fucking beast

26:54

it's terrible i have no desire

26:56

to like duncan somebody

26:58

who's like in the sick of their alcoholism

27:01

and at the same time this is

27:03

a self funded movie where

27:05

he is the director he is making

27:08

the decisions about how the film is structured and

27:10

he has decided to me his body the site's

27:13

yeah of an experiment about the health effects

27:15

or something and he's withholding a

27:17

major fucking pieces in for

27:19

emission rate it doesn't fucking

27:21

hold water that you can be like oh my god one

27:23

month of mcdonalds and as liver was fry

27:25

and it's like no fucking twenty years

27:28

of drinking and his liver was fried yeah

27:30

i actually i mean i

27:31

remember that being a huge part of why

27:33

the movie was so convincing us

27:35

this topic is heavily

27:38

heavily requested for us

27:40

a lot a lot a lot of people have asked

27:42

about super size me most of them

27:45

have been younger the new an ice

27:47

and the reason that they have request

27:48

that is and i talked to a friend of mine who said

27:51

that he watched this film

27:53

in health class every

27:55

year i know

27:57

this is like a major part

28:00

this day of health curricula

28:02

in school and right

28:05

okay are you ready for thing three hogan anything three

28:07

okay thing three that is the trouble with super

28:09

size me it doesn't really identify

28:12

problems or propose meaningful

28:14

solutions okay it sort of points the

28:16

finger at mcdonalds but it also makes fun of people

28:18

who eat at mcdonalds he talks in

28:20

the film about what mcdonalds cause it's heavy

28:22

users those , people

28:25

who eat their about three times a week that's what mcdonald's

28:27

considers a heavy use

28:29

if he doesn't a little animation

28:31

while he's talking about this and he animates

28:34

all of these heavy users as people

28:36

my size or larger i

28:38

kept looking for other ways around this

28:41

and it was just like man this guy really fucking

28:43

does not

28:43

like fat people yeah he interviews

28:46

he does a bunch of man on the street interviews with people who eat

28:48

at mcdonalds and you're sort of supposed to laugh

28:50

at them you're so you're supposed to judge them

28:52

it is as damning

28:55

of the consumers as it is of

28:57

the corporation but it doesn't really give

28:59

either actual paths to

29:01

change aside from like you have a choice of where to eat

29:03

done here is sort of as

29:05

far as he goes right it's

29:08

it's really weird to demonize

29:11

this corporation but also demonize

29:13

the people who buy the products from the

29:15

corporation without really interrogating

29:17

well why do people

29:19

why to be worried there yeah i mean i think

29:21

this is part of the challenge here is

29:23

that it doesn't engage at all with

29:25

anything related to access to healthcare

29:28

it doesn't engage with the built and by now he

29:30

says a couple of times sort of throughout

29:33

the film he like you know they got rid of

29:35

super sizes but he doesn't go here's

29:37

what mcdonalds actually it's a fucking their right

29:40

he's just like mcdonald's fucking sucks and

29:42

people who eat their fucking suck it

29:44

uses the language of corporate responsibility

29:47

but at its core its pushing for personal

29:49

responsibility

29:50

it's all crashing into place know why i like this

29:52

in my early twenties mysticism

29:55

, entire ideology in my early twenties

29:58

was just like this thing sucks edit

30:03

without any actual political philosophy

30:06

for any deeper understanding it's

30:08

just like yeah cars suck

30:10

but also traffic sucks and finding a passing

30:12

thought sucks climate change sucks

30:14

they are we are putting those to get her into like

30:16

a mercenary of like how should we address

30:19

cars under climate change it was just

30:21

like this is the thing that i hate today the politics

30:23

of like to assess

30:26

assess the that okay it's also

30:28

not clear to me that fast food

30:30

is actually uniquely bad for people

30:32

i mean i think if you look up the ingredients of most

30:35

fast food they're not that different than

30:37

ingredients are like a loaf of bread

30:38

the grocery store via to me it's like years as

30:41

much bigger systemic problem with

30:43

the way that food is inspected the way

30:45

that food is produced i i think

30:47

that mcdonald's is bad but it's not clear to me that they're

30:49

worse than any other restaurant

30:52

again as you noted the fucking cheesecake

30:54

factory man dude

30:56

what applebee's of applebee's lot to answer for

30:59

sure fast casual is

31:01

if anything worse than fast food because

31:03

guard isn't of i mean i think a lot

31:05

of this media around the demonizing

31:07

fast food a ,

31:10

of it really seems to presume that

31:13

either no one is

31:15

consuming that media who eats at that restaurant

31:17

sprite or there are

31:19

people eating that food

31:22

from that restaurant who are consuming the media as

31:24

well and they just need to be told the street shit

31:26

which is the other dummies for eating this

31:28

fucking terrible food and everybody

31:31

knows bad for you and why would you make such a bad

31:33

decision spray anyway

31:36

we're getting further into not

31:38

great territory here and

31:40

i am going to send

31:42

you a lift that we're going

31:44

to watch for our first

31:47

item in thing for which

31:49

is that super size me

31:51

proudly and in curiously

31:54

derives stigma oh so

31:56

i'm gonna send you a clip from the

31:58

selma

32:02

that unabated

32:05

obesity would overtake smoking

32:08

as a leading preventable cause of death in this country

32:11

i was at this meal and meal

32:13

came up the one of the people was a smoker

32:15

if somebody offered a table started hectoring

32:17

lovato what's the matter with you that you know how bad

32:19

it is for you ill , this

32:21

that mirror thing to yo and you really should

32:24

stop and the smoke or rather than saying fuck you

32:26

know as soon as it's mind your own

32:28

visit as which i think is the appropriate response was

32:30

a bastion and and defensive

32:33

and ago i tried to quit and yeah i'm going to try

32:35

again and you're right you're right and so on as

32:37

, table there was a a quite large

32:39

woman and i was one or one of his guys instead

32:42

of confronting the smoker that said

32:44

in a large woman the matter

32:46

with you you fat pig you

32:48

know how dangerous it is to be so overweight

32:50

stop eating for god's sake don't you dare get dessert

32:53

and what's the matter with rice same

32:55

logic i'd be hard pressed to find a

32:57

distinction between those two examples

33:00

of has of has is now socially acceptable

33:03

the hector smokers the

33:05

other one isn't quite our

33:08

devices at what point will become acceptable

33:11

to publicly hector fat people

33:15

in the way that that the smokers

33:17

are publicly hazard

33:20

i love the were at the point of the documentary

33:22

were like let's talk to a random

33:24

libertarians

33:28

the out random writer for reason

33:31

magazine he of veggies or even like

33:33

a health speed force her should

33:35

civility random libertarian

33:38

that is like why doesn't anybody give

33:40

sappy bullshit man like you should have

33:42

asked a fat person about

33:44

whether or not we're getting shit

33:46

the also he does the saying words like

33:48

oh so it's socially

33:50

accent

33:50

the ball to yell at

33:52

a smoker but it's not socially

33:54

acceptable to yell at a fat person and

33:56

it's like it's extremely socially acceptable

33:59

to yell at us outburst that's optimized

34:01

for video ruth

34:04

that like fat people are like bad

34:07

you can't even in america anymore

34:09

no that's the consensus hint

34:12

of every institution of american

34:14

life you are not a bowl the truth

34:17

teller right it's not easy

34:19

to be like oh yeah people sucks

34:21

that is a fucking status quo

34:23

any doctor and politician and anyone

34:25

with any society or power will tell

34:28

you exactly what you just said it is not is

34:30

the leaked forbidding edgy

34:32

saying to be saying an american life

34:34

i also like hey photo

34:37

we actually know now this the

34:39

twenty twenty two looking back on two thousand for

34:41

moment but we like now have quite a bit of data

34:43

showing that increased stigma

34:45

and internalization of weed stigma

34:48

by fat people makes us fucking sad

34:50

or not center right so this is

34:52

only about making sin people

34:54

feel better that they are allowed

34:57

to yell people who don't look like they lock

34:59

spreads really clear that this

35:01

film wants to stigmatize

35:04

sat people and does not particularly want

35:06

to give sat people a voice their a couple about

35:08

people that had talks to split it really only

35:10

talks too fat people who sort of confirm

35:14

morgan spurlock hypothesis here

35:16

right one of the people

35:19

were the fat people to talk to is to type two

35:21

diabetic who drinks large amounts of soda

35:24

and he's interviewed while he is in a hospital

35:27

bed getting ready to go in for weight loss

35:29

surgery for grad the other currently

35:31

fat person that it talks

35:33

to his he

35:35

sat team the plane and extremely

35:38

painful seen i would say for me

35:41

this team's mom is

35:43

talking to talking guest speaker

35:45

who came to her school who

35:48

came to talk about like weight loss stuff

35:51

and this mom this speaking

35:53

for her child and saying things

35:55

like see really trying to lose weight and you're an inspiration

35:58

to her anyone

36:00

that teenager look

36:02

at the camera while her mom

36:04

is talking about everything on us to manage

36:06

her we are it's so gross and

36:08

so uncomfortable so the

36:10

film offers up of one sort of quote unquote success

36:13

stories that person and

36:15

that story did not sucking

36:18

aids well okay would you like

36:20

to know who the guest speaker was at that sat

36:22

teens high school the early two thousand

36:24

weight loss icon

36:26

jared fogle oh fuck

36:36

oh do you want to give a rundown

36:38

of who jared fogle is

36:40

anita is think we'll probably end up doing a whole episode

36:43

at some point but the but the a guy

36:45

who was in an ad campaign for

36:47

subway originally talking about

36:49

how he used to weigh some

36:51

large amount and then he lost half his body

36:54

weight or something these generic success stories

36:56

by eating subway he would have their like veggie sub

36:59

or something and then or something

37:01

come became like a cultural figure he would

37:03

show up and like the various other weight loss media

37:06

stuff as like a spokesman and

37:08

then yeah he was event the

37:10

arrested for i believe having a child

37:12

pornography on his computer yeah it's

37:15

ah worse than maps oh

37:18

is that yes so he was a spokesperson

37:20

for subway sandwiches

37:21

they lifted up his story because

37:24

he said that he had lost two hundred and fifty

37:26

pounds by getting

37:28

up everyday walking to subway and having

37:30

subway sandwiches basically

37:32

like twice a day essentially alam your replacement

37:35

for him he was a spokesperson

37:37

for them for like sixteen

37:39

years like are really long time

37:41

or well in twenty sistine

37:45

jared fogle pled guilty in federal court

37:47

to distribution possession of child pornography

37:49

and to traveling to engage

37:51

in illicit sexual conduct with a minor

37:54

god i i remember know being out

37:56

of that's where he fly somewhere for you lonely

37:59

were correct

38:00

so like this is super to hurt

38:02

i don't wanna know anything else

38:05

see as christ's yeah so

38:07

to details one in

38:09

his defense team jenny

38:11

then we argued they had a forensic psychologist

38:14

who said that the reason

38:17

for the sexual abuse was

38:19

the weight loss oh what's

38:21

so they argued that he

38:23

replaced compulsive eating

38:25

with what they call the hyper sexuality oh

38:28

in the form of child porn

38:30

and child sex abuse always say

38:34

no get the fuck outta here that's

38:36

fucked up

38:38

i'm happy to us i heard of i've been speechless

38:41

on the show before i didn't say stone

38:43

oh that's bleed seats so

38:46

bleak so even in the context

38:48

of the film season

38:50

fucking helping who and what is what is why

38:52

he's even there he he lost too

38:54

much away but he he doesn't have anything to do

38:56

with mcdonald's has this is sort of the thing

38:58

about this film is that there's sort

39:00

of a narrative but it's sort of a collage

39:03

of moments and attitudes toward

39:06

fatness and fat people and

39:08

and mcdonalds and fast food and all of this

39:10

sort of stuff and it just throw the shit in like

39:12

the guy being like when do we get to start

39:14

hectoring fat people fat public and then it

39:16

doesn't fucking say anything about it the

39:19

same thing with jared they show a shot of him standing

39:21

on stage at a fucking

39:22

the school holding up his old

39:25

pants that he wore when he was that all arrest

39:27

and i'm like i was just watching it be like why

39:30

is he here what is this about the i was

39:32

very i would like to show you a little clip of

39:34

we're not going to watch terrorists only that in our

39:36

lives am but we are gonna watch

39:38

that seems that team then

39:41

speaks directly to the camera here

39:43

is what that thirteen has to say

39:46

about what jared had to say to her

39:54

money

40:03

that way like i'm

40:06

, like that's the only police and and

40:09

what he what when

40:11

i can when that and

40:14

, see way and it hurt

40:16

my body from the netherlands i've signed

40:18

a deal and man is

40:22

terrified price is

40:24

someone who says hey i'm dan it seem

40:27

to know that easy to

40:30

me i mean more

40:32

police in the dirt oval stuff sounds

40:37

like this will be the later part dirt mean i'm

40:40

being slightly hyperbolic but like they

40:43

truly images near to tear yeah

40:45

and she sang the yeah i've i've tried

40:47

this and i hurt my body yeah

40:50

it's hurt my body and i can't afford this

40:52

so basically like what you're offering

40:54

me is garbage this is

40:57

not remotely workable for me

40:59

this isn't a thing that functions for me yeah

41:01

right this is totally irrelevant to me

41:04

then like the i wish i

41:06

wish you would like listen to me

41:08

when i say like that doesn't work for me

41:10

he i wish someone would take that seriously

41:13

am i telling you and very clear terms

41:16

oh good there are you gonna

41:19

tell me the same thing these l everybody and just keep

41:21

tell me again do it again great

41:23

you are you it doesn't offer

41:26

anything on that front adjuster

41:27

drop that in and then is like anyway moving

41:30

on say and in their next fucking stories

41:32

about this due to work for baskin robbins

41:34

and got real sick and kill me hey

41:36

so just goes right back to like stigmatizing

41:39

sheds rose teenager

41:41

who the sensibly who you are talking about

41:43

in this film like

41:46

i'm telling you that your approach doesn't work for

41:48

me and it's like any way onto the next here's

41:50

an idea anyway that person who died

41:52

they were too dumb to stop eating right like is sort

41:54

of the vibe and a suicide yeah this

41:56

is unhelpful this only she had listened to

41:59

the infamous pitiful

42:00

well she be doing business is fucking crazy

42:02

hollywood the so at the end of the cylinder

42:05

heads as a whole thing that's like all like where

42:07

are they now though know like where

42:09

are these people and the closing

42:11

title card says jared

42:13

fogle continues to inspire millions

42:15

will power and giant paths

42:20

about the earth it's funny

42:22

but i like this is my emotional the

42:24

action worthy of a sudden laughter

42:27

the way of discharging discomfort right like there's

42:29

a way of like kitten allow yeah i get to that

42:31

also one of my primary responsive yeah

42:34

i don't want to do too much of the twenty twenty two

42:36

looking back on two thousand four but like boy

42:38

oh boy that is some real fucking damning

42:41

as , of like that is rough

42:44

in retrospect to be like he's inspiring millions

42:46

of them them ,

42:49

moot this documentary is still being

42:52

shown in schools shown he was

42:55

the same do is

42:58

that guy is so

43:00

low slung let

43:03

me tell you as truth for this particular

43:05

guest star you told you

43:07

before the zeppelin as a good muslim less where

43:09

the this time and then maybe nine

43:11

and like this is the shit where i'm like ikea

43:14

now i swear about your

43:16

soon as we move on of assist thing

43:19

says thing okay this as

43:21

saying is when people talk

43:23

about super size me they talk about like

43:25

it actually created a bunch of good teams

43:28

the world and my fifth thing is the

43:30

teams that it created wasn't good and in

43:32

many cases it was change spray wow

43:35

would ride them and they got rid of the super if

43:37

i guess that was the big head

43:39

wine yeah so mcdonalds

43:41

proudly announced that they stopped supersizing

43:43

portions you can't get supersized fry as

43:45

any more at mcdonalds

43:48

when you start to look at what was a super size

43:51

and sort of some of the reporting at the time

43:54

at couple murkier for her a super sized drink

43:56

was forty two ounces that is that

43:58

lot of fucking soda the

44:00

largest size now is thirty

44:02

two ounces sarah significantly

44:05

less rate but a quarter last except

44:08

, couple of reporters at the time

44:10

when this announcement came out that they were like not

44:12

going to super size anymore they were like let's

44:14

see what the differences so there was

44:16

this fucking reporter and i was like oh god bless

44:19

this person for being like what am i going to do with my

44:21

day to day i'm gonna do this i'm gonna get

44:23

a super sized coat and a large coke

44:25

and i'm in a strain out the ice and measure

44:27

how much soda it is in each one the

44:29

gorilla journalism we need any

44:31

was the same amount of soda nice

44:34

they were putting more ice in the super

44:36

sized ones and they checked for like

44:38

a couple a different places and bubble of us

44:40

a super size for size was seven ounces

44:43

now they only have a large and a large is

44:45

six point two ounces so basically

44:48

the same physically the super sized fry

44:50

had to more fries

44:52

than a large fries like at the

44:54

same time like they've taken these the names

44:57

super sized stuff off of the

44:59

menu but they've also added

45:01

all of their mc cafe coffee which

45:03

are like you know if you get i did

45:05

look up a plane iced coffee

45:07

and it has forty two grams of sugar

45:09

for a plane iced coffee what

45:12

really yeah oh four

45:14

grams is a teaspoon of sugar so

45:16

that's ten teaspoons of sugar right

45:18

so there's this belief that like pushed mcdonald's

45:21

in the right direction but it's not as if

45:23

mcdonald's food

45:25

, like less caloric

45:28

or healthier or any

45:30

of that kind of stuff as a result it just means they changed

45:32

the names of their sizes rate rate

45:35

they offer less slightly less

45:37

product and like maybe less maybe

45:40

it's it's hard to read that as anything other

45:42

than like a pr move well yeah i mean

45:44

the the parallel with subway is instructive

45:47

because subway stop a week

45:49

law of healthy food restaurant they did

45:51

this is a pr move the cat themselves

45:53

as a weight loss company because

45:56

americans were interested in weight loss nobody

45:59

wanted to gloria hi large sizes

46:01

of that hi and he wanted to glorify hills

46:03

yes so i mean this is the same time when kfc

46:06

was changing its name because they want the were

46:08

fried yeah on the sign the

46:11

part of me feels like just like you don't wanna be marketing

46:13

something that like bragging about how large

46:15

it is yes so like shortly

46:17

after this happens sort of wendy's

46:20

and other teams follow suit wendy's

46:22

announces that it's eliminating it's biggie size

46:25

tumor biggie size at wendy's of

46:27

we didn't have any wendy's of near my house i was under

46:30

god i'll talk about all the time they they

46:32

did they remove their eight a layer of the

46:36

that i called else so when

46:38

so when or eliminating their biggie size

46:40

with

46:40

don't say is that they're changing the

46:42

name of the biggie size to a large

46:45

they're changing the name modern media

46:47

men are changing the name of the media small

46:49

size just fucking optics

46:52

raid say this is also run the same time

46:54

the candy companies seized

46:56

out the signs like we don't have king

46:58

size candy bars anymore quote unquote the truth

47:01

yes this is there like we're doing away with king size

47:03

we've heard you the health concerns a real bummer

47:06

and then like a few months later thing search showing

47:08

up on that are king size but they're

47:10

labeled sharing size nice

47:13

could you share with other people share

47:16

, it so cynical

47:19

it's so obvious and so than a goal

47:21

is so cynical we

47:23

can tell you there were a number of rebuttal

47:26

projects to super size me

47:29

and they were also fucking

47:31

unhelpful even those rebuttal projects

47:33

were about going to be done well the and the focus of

47:35

most of them was i'm going to go to mcdonalds and

47:37

i'm going to lose weight or you rate

47:39

of your mind blown yeah i

47:42

member the there was like

47:44

if the guy that was yeah i tried to

47:46

eat healthy at mcdonalds and there was some

47:49

professor who went on like their twinkie

47:51

diet yes to show that

47:53

you could eat nothing but junk food and still

47:55

lose weight calories in calories so

47:58

i watch a couple of the rebuttal

48:00

documentaries and they were basically

48:02

lay

48:03

going even harder on personal responsibility

48:06

because they're like you can go to mcdonalds and you can order

48:08

better things and then you'll lose weight

48:10

right i love the people of hottest

48:12

and were like this isn't libertarian enough

48:15

yeah even more

48:18

and intel or ass version the a

48:20

movie it's worth noting that like all

48:22

of these fucking rebuttal projects didn't

48:24

do anything to

48:27

challenge any of the by

48:29

as that existed in super

48:31

size me it was all

48:33

white middle-class people replicating

48:37

the experiment but also the biases

48:39

of another white middle-class

48:41

and i just straight up wealthy white

48:43

person i see like at the very you

48:46

that your livid about the movie that's

48:48

like mcdonald's is terrible but you're

48:50

also live at about the movies that are like mcdonald's

48:53

isn't that bad here ,

48:55

actually actually been trash

48:57

yeah well here's an

48:59

example of this re there's

49:01

quite a bit of media about a science

49:04

teacher who did a

49:06

six month mcdonald's experiment

49:09

he says he lost sixty pounds

49:11

and he says this

49:14

says at the time in the media i'm going to send

49:16

you a quote from this science teacher

49:18

he says science thought my biggest adversaries

49:21

we're going to be a nutritionist dietitians and

49:23

doctors but those ended up being my

49:25

biggest backers because they realized this

49:27

guy is right i'm not pushing mcdonald's

49:29

i'm not pushing fast food i'm pushing

49:32

taking accountability and making the right

49:34

choice for you individually

49:36

we're back and were back in libertarians

49:39

ill and then mcdonald

49:41

sign him on to be a corporate ambassador

49:43

appropriately effect ,

49:46

for i'm not pushing fast food

49:48

sources i'm fully working

49:50

for must have have experience

49:54

some , it's kind of a shallow point

49:56

but any weird regimen

49:59

of restriction

50:00

you're probably going to lose weight in the short

50:02

term and so eating only at mcdonalds

50:05

is a regimen of restriction

50:07

total and then you can't stick with it because it's really

50:09

really boring and it's probably very

50:11

inconvenient as well because there's like that

50:13

many mcdonald's is in the world and you want to go to

50:15

friends' houses for dinner so

50:17

you can't maintain it and then you

50:19

the way back yes totally the

50:21

sears the last thing

50:23

that i would say in terms of the

50:26

teams that super size me created

50:29

and help to certain power is

50:31

that contributes to the passage of

50:34

tons and tons of what are called cheeseburger

50:36

bills okay according to

50:39

the lancet here is what

50:41

those cheeseburger bills

50:43

did it says the us

50:46

house of representatives voted to seventy six

50:48

to one thirty nine in favor of favor bill that

50:50

would prohibit lawsuits filed by obese

50:52

america the seeking to blame

50:54

the industry for their weight problems cheeseburger

50:57

bills are common sense consumption acts

50:59

were spearheaded by the national restaurant association

51:02

as well as the amir legislative exchange

51:04

council or alec and have been an

51:06

accident twenty six days views are alex

51:09

bills so like for folks who are unfamiliar

51:13

alex is is like evil em

51:15

the higher of

51:17

, far right's policy

51:20

priorities that more like the advocate for things

51:22

like privatizing prisons now

51:24

but these were bills that past past

51:27

plenty of solidly

51:29

blues steve steve's that are known

51:31

to be sort of left of center like oregon

51:34

has like cheeseburger bell oh yeah

51:37

but so did the arizona so does mean sort

51:39

of michigan sort of north dakota sort

51:41

of wisconsin so does illinois

51:43

twenty six days pass these with

51:45

support from

51:46

democrats and republicans yeah

51:49

it was sort of this like battle royale between

51:51

the moral panics the dual moral panics

51:53

about frivolous litigation a and

51:56

be obesity epidemic and

51:58

ultimately while this silly the wants

52:01

you to think that it is holding mcdonald's

52:03

accountable part of the change

52:05

that it gave way to like following

52:07

this film is when a fuck ton of these past

52:10

and a fuck ton of them cited super

52:12

size me in ,

52:14

like actual arguments in favor of

52:17

these bills rates ultimately

52:19

what it did it just shield fast

52:21

food restaurants from any kind of fucking accountability

52:24

fucking mean it's really tell really

52:25

in that that's what people took

52:27

away from it or that's what the effect of

52:29

it was because he do

52:31

believe the ostensible premise

52:34

of the movie you should want

52:36

people to sue mcdonalds because mcdonalds

52:38

is poisoning people right if your

52:40

belief is this is really fucking terrible for people

52:42

and if they eat it they're going to die

52:45

absolutely you should want more accountability

52:47

for mcdonalds but again that's not

52:49

actually what the film is doing right

52:51

that's not what the project was even though it looked

52:54

like corporate accountability at the time

52:56

it actually ended up yeah entrenching as

52:58

narrative of like it's too easy to sue

53:00

corporations in america which is hilarious

53:04

anyone i mean aside from the anecdotes

53:06

it's just a laughable idea yeah

53:09

so that's super size me it

53:11

is difficult to talk about this film

53:13

or any of morgan spurlock

53:15

works at this point without talking about

53:18

his , of twenty seventeen revelations

53:21

about the sexual assault and harassment

53:24

harassment was during a third the

53:26

big wave of serve me to stuff race

53:29

the thing that makes morgan spurlock different

53:31

six can't fucking believe the heat this

53:33

did not cross your path see

53:36

publicly admitted to admitted without any prompting

53:38

ah

53:39

with this a one word like me to

53:41

was happening and he just like how did out

53:43

there like this is gonna come out about me yet

53:45

on december thirteenth twenty seventeen

53:48

morgan spurlock issued a meeting

53:50

statements on twitter

53:52

called i am part of the problems

53:54

he he discloses in this

53:57

it meant that he had quote been unfaithful

53:59

to

54:00

three wife and girlfriend i have ever had

54:02

a the he says that he was

54:04

sexually abused in his childhood and teen

54:06

years he discloses

54:08

his father left when he was young

54:10

that , this is where he said he'd been consistently

54:13

drinking since the age of thirteen and

54:15

it seems pretty clear in

54:17

the reading of the statement that the really thinks

54:20

he like doing a good thing for us

54:22

so we're gonna read we're couple of excerpts

54:24

from his statements and so

54:26

here's a quote number one say

54:28

says i'm part of the problem over

54:30

my life the have in many instances that parallel

54:33

what we see every day in the news when

54:35

i was in college was girl who a hooked up with

54:37

on a one night stand accused me of rape

54:39

not outright there were no charges or investigations

54:42

but she wrote about the instance about the short story

54:45

writing class and call me by name the

54:47

female friend who was in the class told me about

54:49

it afterwards i was floored

54:51

that's not what happened i told her what

54:54

and how i remembered as it all in my mind

54:56

we've been drinking all night and went back to my room

54:58

we began slowly around she pushed me off

55:01

to me laid in the bed and taught and last

55:03

more than began fooling around again

55:05

we took off her clothes she said she didn't

55:08

want to have sex or we laid together and talk and

55:10

kissed and laughed and then we started having sex

55:13

then she started to cry i

55:15

didn't know what to do we start having sex

55:17

and i roll beside her i tried to comfort

55:19

her to make her feel better i

55:21

thought i was doing okay i believe she was feeling

55:23

better she believes she was raped

55:26

though okay this my

55:29

like the radar is going off

55:31

because this is a man saying

55:34

that he was accused of sexual assault when actually

55:36

it was just an honest misunderstanding

55:38

it's not every one of these cases but

55:41

in a lot of these cases

55:43

when you hear from the dude and he describes

55:45

it as a harmless this

55:47

understanding honest mistake saying you

55:50

need it also hear from the woman yep

55:52

and i will say i didn't find

55:55

anything where we hear from this particular

55:57

woman in iowa interviews he said

55:59

he

56:00

quote unquote hadn't heard from her when she

56:02

describes this thing any go i was trying

56:04

to make her feel better israel comfort her but he's

56:06

also describing a woman who was crying

56:08

and telling him she does not want to

56:10

have sex and when he

56:12

like and then we started having sex yeah he's

56:15

describing this as if he is be

56:17

in a good guy and there's also a reading

56:19

of what he reports on here

56:21

that is extremely not him being a good guy

56:24

are so here is

56:26

the other instance that he describes

56:29

work again the seals like very

56:31

unreliable narrator territory to me

56:34

he says then there was a time i settled

56:36

a sexual harassment allegations am i this

56:38

is or and eight years ago and it wasn't a groupie

56:41

seeley harassment it was verbal and

56:43

it was just as bad i would call my female

56:45

assistant hot pants or six pants

56:47

when i was yelling to her from the other side

56:49

of the office

56:50

something i thought was funny at the time but then realized

56:52

i had completely demeaned and

56:54

the told her to a place of non existence

56:56

so when she decided to quit she

56:58

came to me and said if i didn't say her a settlement

57:00

she would tell everyone being who

57:02

i was it with the last thing i wanted so

57:05

course i paid i paid for

57:07

peace mine i pay for her silence

57:09

and corporation most of all i

57:11

paid so i could remain who i was

57:14

i am part of the problem he has

57:16

so this

57:18

though feel like getting ahead of somebody

57:20

saying like oh he's he's paid out a settlement

57:23

which probably have an indie a attached

57:25

so it's like him getting ahead of it's a like for

57:27

you learn that piece of information you learn this thing

57:30

yeah it's impossible to read these

57:32

stories of things that could

57:34

be the some sort of

57:36

on

57:37

the misunderstanding with alice

57:39

reading them in the context of like

57:41

every fucking guy who's a choose

57:43

a special ross and who's like see was an honest

57:45

misunderstandings it's we do

57:47

that to be alive yes this is the early

57:50

the least objectionable reason

57:52

you would have paid out a sexual harassment

57:55

lawsuit yes if you were designing in

57:57

a lab there's a sexual harassment lawsuit

58:00

against me thoughts and then you have

58:02

some like nice explanation sisters exactly the

58:04

explanation that you come up with well and

58:06

even still he's painting

58:08

this as essentially she

58:10

was blackmailing him she said

58:13

if i didn't pay or

58:13

if she'd tell everybody had

58:15

i been the good guy that i about

58:18

was it be and why was it was last thing i wanted

58:20

so of course i paid right like he's casting

58:23

us version on the person he says he's

58:25

owning up to treating

58:27

poorly heath's yeah oh

58:29

on the heels of his the man ten

58:32

his sort of couple of concessions that

58:34

are from an unreliable narrator

58:37

jazz , does some indepth

58:39

reporting about the experiences of

58:41

women who worked for his

58:43

production company the title

58:46

of the story is former

58:49

employees

58:49

they morgan spurlock production company

58:52

was quote friday boys club

58:54

that surprise twist

58:57

multiple employees talk to them about how quote the

58:59

scotch came out at four pm in the

59:01

office and when and when his partner

59:03

had meetings with women that they sound attractive

59:06

they would say oh she gave

59:08

good meeting ah yes

59:11

they didn't find those like women

59:13

that they met with attractive according to just a bellwether

59:15

former employee said that they would just outright

59:17

say i wish he was more attractive yeah you

59:19

mentioned it seems like he's trying to get

59:21

out ahead of something just he releases

59:24

the statement on december thirteen twenty

59:26

seventeen

59:28

the just about peace comes out on december

59:30

nineteenth twenty seventy oh

59:33

okay i feel like there's like a very real possibility

59:35

that he caught wind of the story or the down one

59:37

tipped him off or that jazz ago called him for

59:39

comment or whatever and

59:41

then he issues the statement to be like here's

59:44

what i did as yeah so the fall

59:46

out for him was within

59:48

a matter of days he goes

59:50

into rehab for alcoholism he

59:53

loses his distribution

59:55

deal with super size me to

59:58

sounds dropped from a bunch the projects

1:00:00

he's gonna to

1:00:01

in t series

1:00:03

that he was creating with sarah jessica parker

1:00:05

about women's issue

1:00:07

also later in the media

1:00:12

the lost his staff of sixty five

1:00:15

people working for him i don't know we've

1:00:17

had another cells the cancellation

1:00:20

like this

1:00:20

the answer is actually sassy we haven't heard

1:00:22

from the women and all this know there's

1:00:24

no specific

1:00:26

them yes they are absent

1:00:28

from this public conversation which

1:00:30

is their right is it's their choice i

1:00:32

don't know if it's their choice i don't doubt like i'm

1:00:34

guessing as you said there's a then da but

1:00:37

the anchor point for these conversations about sexual

1:00:39

assault and harassment have to be the survivors

1:00:42

of that sexual assault and harassment and

1:00:44

i think that's also frankly part of the problem

1:00:46

with super size me

1:00:48

you would be for example of a

1:00:50

conversation about fat people without

1:00:52

meaningful participation from any fat

1:00:55

people and a bunch of fucking thin people send

1:00:57

around going like when do we get to start publicly

1:00:59

hectoring fat people say

1:01:02

it since we only engages with fat

1:01:05

people who his points and

1:01:07

, talk about the sucking sat high schooler

1:01:09

who like jared fogle the advice

1:01:11

was not helpful to me sit

1:01:14

at my side yeah my side it is

1:01:17

yeah sort of introduces all of this logic

1:01:19

that is extremely reductive frayed

1:01:22

it rises fat people to fast food

1:01:24

eater the it reduces regular fast

1:01:27

food eater is to every day

1:01:29

every meals eu leaders

1:01:31

it reduces those meals

1:01:34

that of fast food the people he to perceived

1:01:36

poor decision making and

1:01:38

it's sort of hiding the ball on ball bunch of the

1:01:40

sort of splashiest conclusions rates

1:01:43

hiding the ball

1:01:44

the guy , eating

1:01:48

my it's

1:01:50

irish diploma

1:02:03

he

1:02:05

the

1:02:12

the