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hello so what you know about

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this book french women don't get fat

1:14

i just heard the title a of

1:16

rolled my eyes that it i've never

1:18

picked it up i don't have it in the diet

1:20

collection of i became aware

1:22

of it at a time in like

1:25

the

1:26

two thousand nine views

1:28

s and there were just a lot of white

1:30

liberals who are europe really

1:33

house things figured out yes so

1:35

there was like a big sort of europe worship

1:37

thing happening that i think was mostly

1:39

about parental leave

1:42

you know vacation time and about fair

1:44

wages and about it's really our place kind

1:46

of stuff and social services kind of stuff

1:49

which is not wrong but that got

1:51

with a very broad brush of like is

1:54

better than us in every way at

1:56

in this this

1:57

was published the year that moved to

1:59

europe

1:59

so what if i wouldn't impose

2:02

tape on i'm like oh the bike lanes

2:05

unless it was it

2:06

are so that's my relationship

2:08

the way to sort of i'm probably aware of it

2:11

it smells fishy to me that smells

2:13

like an old rebel assault that has been

2:15

kept in the closet that's

2:18

, last ones that well on i'm sorry

2:20

really out crocodile dundee enders

2:23

side of the i will finish i wanted

2:25

to do like an all purpose

2:27

like it's not quite a content notes

2:29

but it's more just like going to mispronounce

2:32

everything this episode i should also

2:34

gives like an actual content warnings that like

2:36

this book is really a how

2:37

who guide to have like a pretty worrying

2:39

eating does

2:40

care i went

2:42

to like the

2:42

eating disorders website and looks like the warning signs

2:45

and like numerous things that prescribed

2:47

are actual like clinical guy

2:49

fighting for like something

2:51

brings up yeah so if that stuff

2:53

is triggering for you are like you just don't wanna hear

2:55

it very understandable goes

2:57

into the warm wars episode be the first ones that

3:00

are the author of this book this

3:02

named moray giuliano

3:04

z is in her fifties on the book

3:06

is published is published up in rural

3:09

france she starts setting

3:11

english high school she kind of falls in with the language

3:13

she ends up studying abroad in massachusetts

3:16

she moves back to france goes to the sorbonne

3:19

com a un translator

3:22

oh and moved new york where

3:24

she meets her husband who's american

3:26

the and she somehow gets

3:28

a job

3:29

sort a champagne

3:31

read a publication this is back

3:33

on

3:33

journalism is a functioning industry in people could get jobs

3:36

like a publication about champagne

3:38

about like the industry will

3:40

or a it appears a very short lived though

3:42

she she becomes the first employees

3:45

the of are you familiar with the brand

3:47

verve click whoa it's like a champagne

3:49

brand ah it's a super high

3:52

end brand is owned by louis the

3:54

when she ends up

3:56

working her way up to the ceo so at

3:58

the time that she rates as

3:59

the the ceo of this high

4:02

, champagne company little weird turn

4:04

you can already tell that we're going to get a lot of like kind of

4:06

out of touch advice from like a research

4:09

assistant for sure

4:11

it's kind of been wiped from our memories now but

4:14

this now but comes out into doesn't for and it's like a

4:16

huge sensation he has his books

4:18

or three million copies she

4:20

was feature on oprah of course she was

4:22

on good morning america she did a huge like

4:24

year long press two or this and like number

4:27

of think pieces about this book and like

4:29

actually fairly positive reviews in

4:31

but as to is really remarkable

4:33

like different not a controversial

4:35

book when it came out the the discourse

4:37

around this issue was so

4:39

different

4:39

back then and it was just like skew some tips

4:42

from this french lady and like how to be french

4:44

it's fascinating to me that in

4:46

the nineties we had this

4:49

very overt and very concerned

4:51

conversation about the prevalence of eating disorders

4:53

and and then in the two thousands all these diet

4:56

books came out that just like full how

4:58

to guides on eating the source is fascinating

5:00

i know the wildest most extreme

5:03

diet's followed this period

5:05

of just like oh no it's gone too far

5:07

but i think the oh no it's gone too far got pinned

5:10

to like magazines and models

5:12

more than like the diet industry or anything

5:14

away or so like a lot of garbage

5:16

crept through in that in that time

5:18

i also think so much of this comes back

5:21

to playing eating to

5:23

a particular way of looking and like a particular

5:25

outcome absolutely even honest like warning

5:28

signs of eating disorder stuff that i was reading last

5:30

couple weeks a of it is like you

5:32

weigh less than hundred pounds

5:34

or something if it wasn't really focused on like

5:36

behaviors that people can also have a

5:38

really worrying even worse and like right

5:41

the worrying like physical symptoms

5:42

right not be eighty five

5:45

pounds yeah at the height of my eating disorder

5:47

i was there last about heavey pounds

5:49

maybe more but , order

5:51

to qualify for having

5:54

anorexia nervosa you have to under

5:56

week be am i right right like i had

5:58

to be like a

5:59

correction a fraction of a fraction

6:02

of my former self rate in right like be

6:04

seen as having an eating disorder yeah right

6:06

nobody about fat like him in a food

6:08

i also i don't have you remember this but i remember

6:11

the wave of similar book came

6:13

out

6:13

after the so after this week give

6:15

him as a bestseller

6:16

there was japanese women don't

6:18

get old

6:19

fab ah fuck

6:21

you phrased there was there's also one

6:23

called mediterranean women states

6:26

bad

6:28

that

6:31

feels like the know pigeon

6:33

did he know scrubs have to

6:37

, about the studio women eat a lot

6:41

of people make of people about a lot of nationality

6:44

of lady with a hammer know forget so i

6:46

am going to send you the first two paragraphs

6:48

of the book who

6:51

were just going in on the intro

6:52

i feel good to get me some flavor like

6:55

what what kind of book like how does it say

6:56

or to read this book what is it a steep and

6:58

free go american relations admittedly

7:01

a bit freed from time to time we

7:03

should the fate of the singular the members

7:05

of french civilization cool now

7:08

until now i humbly submit one

7:10

glorious triumph has remained largely

7:12

unacknowledged yet it's basic and

7:14

familiar anthropological true

7:16

french women don't get fat

7:18

no position physiologist psychologist

7:21

nutritionist or any manner of ist who

7:23

helps or studies people professionally

7:26

i was however born and raised in

7:28

france with to good

7:30

eyes i've observing the french for a lifetime

7:33

one can find as with any

7:35

rule but overwhelmingly french women do

7:37

as i do the heat of the like

7:39

and don't get fat ah so

7:42

sets the stage for a number patterns that we're

7:44

going to see throughout this book the writing

7:47

is kind of weird like it's it's it's not

7:49

all the catholic well written or like clear what she's

7:51

saying she uses a lot like parents

7:53

ucl phrases and she just kind of like sometimes

7:56

and she

7:57

also uses on on billie

7:59

the bubble amount of like french

8:02

phrases in spoke for like

8:04

no reason but make

8:06

for class it

8:09

, like there was some sort of contractual arrange it worth

8:11

a you have to remind them that french once

8:13

per paragraph so that i guess

8:15

the when i was sitting i was i would often

8:18

data some french fries and and in parentheses of the like

8:20

to walk down the sidewalk why why

8:22

would you know just fine so what do you think

8:24

generally about this i mean it's like him he'd already

8:27

well listen to such a paragraph

8:29

is not really do in or any favors like i'm

8:31

not a doctor i'm just a person with eyes

8:34

yeah heck of a man's

8:36

she's she's very open about the that like

8:39

this book is just like based on her

8:41

while i read this extremely shady

8:44

seats your story on her that was published new york times

8:46

after this became a bestseller

8:47

the it says the book is i can

8:49

the action that she whipped up over summer and

8:51

fall weekends it's very easy she

8:53

said was no research know

8:58

, was a risky oh effect

9:01

of the number of science books have

9:03

like zero like

9:05

know meanwhile if you write a book

9:07

about anything to do with like

9:10

maybe dieting isn't about rape isn't happy

9:12

blur okay and we should be nice to them like

9:14

you're gonna be cited to the hill

9:17

through the shit outta your case

9:19

the i just find this really fascinating to know

9:22

this like a massive best seller was

9:24

just like no not researching not

9:26

deletes the only thing first

9:28

she also is like weirdly

9:30

open about the fact that like this is

9:32

a

9:32

look for my fellow rich

9:35

people

9:35

this is over the intro she says

9:38

well my stories

9:39

the can be of benefit to any one this book

9:41

is intended primarily for women being based

9:43

solely on my experience as a what it's

9:46

not only for americans but for women throughout the

9:48

developed world to face career

9:50

pressures personal stress globalization

9:52

and all the traps of twenty first century

9:54

society and it is for those whose

9:56

weight as an immediate health risk or who require

9:58

a medically prescribed

9:59

i'd be specifically to women who need

10:02

to lose up to thirty pounds which is

10:04

a greater portion of the i mean i think

10:06

like this feels very similar i'm getting big

10:08

karl day i

10:10

am i missing in that area right which is is like this

10:12

is for rich thin people to be hooked me

10:14

even center yeah on the one

10:16

hand i appreciate the candor and directness

10:19

and serve directive ness to the audience

10:21

in the book on the other i

10:23

think that a book like this carries

10:26

a cultural impact that as way greater

10:28

than the people who read it with care

10:30

and comprehend that sort of taken sense

10:33

rate so i appreciate that there's

10:35

like a directness in their the think this isn't for

10:37

fab people but on the flipside

10:39

like it then gets out into the world and a bajillion

10:42

people see it hear about it

10:44

and then recommend it to fat people

10:46

or rather the way be shitty the fat people

10:48

whatever i mean i it's better

10:50

to be direct about the stuff but also that

10:52

feels weird make he's another thing that she

10:54

is honest about in ways i also

10:57

feel weird about is she does not

10:59

mention health in that book at all there is

11:01

no mention of diabetes there's no of

11:03

heart disease like all the sort of stuff like

11:06

that that you get in every fucking

11:08

both it mentioned fatness of like down a

11:10

cost over healthcare system she doesn't

11:12

care on you know where she doesn't care

11:14

who sued year because she should written a book

11:17

called french women get universal health

11:19

care of

11:21

you know

11:22

she very open in his book as karl

11:24

lagerfeld was in his book that like this

11:26

is about being attractive the that's

11:28

and and you hear this from from accounts

11:31

of fat people in

11:32

grant as well but it's just like oh

11:34

not to me and they don't even really like

11:36

people don't even

11:37

the bother housing it like i'm concerned

11:39

about your heart health or whatever

11:40

it's like oh i don't looking at

11:42

yogis in the

11:44

true story where she talks about how she's

11:46

like

11:46

i'm a wealthy lady and i got into any research

11:49

this books it says there is a steely

11:51

the plan behind her pleasure approach

11:54

one of the main goals of stay slim is to

11:56

remain appealing to men and this is hard work

11:59

a freshman wanted wife be very elegant

12:01

very thin she said

12:02

it never said except in the site

12:04

there is pressure a woman works

12:06

on herself

12:07

no she's just say in it's like

12:09

this is to be high school for men

12:11

and she also talks elsewhere about like to

12:13

advance in my career i needed

12:15

to be said not on true unfortunately

12:18

you're not untrue so good it's like is mixed

12:20

feelings were it's like yeah that is

12:22

that's what we're talking about ninety

12:24

five percent of

12:25

the patient about fan if we're talking about looks

12:27

bright people people want to look a certain way beyond

12:30

i'm having my own like moment with this

12:32

which is that any time

12:34

someone comes to me with the sort of like so

12:36

concern or sincere concern based

12:39

in bullshit it is always

12:41

my hope in moment that they would just be

12:43

honest with me and themselves and just

12:46

be like be like like looking at you right and then i could

12:48

say why do you need to say that to me that that's

12:50

a you problem that's not a me problems totally

12:52

at the same time what we have here is

12:55

someone who is just copping to that

12:57

going and i don't care right

12:59

i'm just like having a moment of reflection on like isn't

13:01

really what i wish for great lakes

13:04

what i want them to what i really want for them to do

13:06

is go oh wait i'm saying and doing

13:08

this thing and i don't want to be that kind of person

13:10

right that's why i'm actually aiming for

13:13

and a necessary precondition for that is

13:15

for them to own their own weird bigotry

13:17

the stuff although what's amazing to me

13:19

is is she does it remarked upon

13:22

of these pressures in any kind of normative

13:24

way she's just descriptive it's like

13:26

oh you you have to be seen to work in corporate america

13:29

which like yeah you i mean some level yes you

13:31

do like those are real pressures it be weird

13:33

to deny that they exist and i'm

13:35

sure that there are people who are like just eyes

13:38

wide open or like i'd need to be sin

13:40

to be an executive at this company right i'm sure

13:42

to their people like but also like i

13:44

would respect people who do

13:46

that much more of a relaxed and it's bullshit

13:49

yes

13:49

also she is a ceo i

13:51

know there's another thing as yes she is a

13:53

board yes she has like public image to

13:56

up yes she has whatever else split will the

13:58

like you are everybody's boss other

13:59

version of this book that she could have written

14:02

that was like you know what there's these pressures

14:04

like i've worked my way the top

14:06

and then here's everything i did tillich dismantle those

14:08

pressure that makes really didn't exist anymore he elites

14:11

in my company right this is the that i find

14:13

so fascinating about diet

14:15

books in general is that there's always

14:18

some level of acknowledgement of

14:19

anti fat and race and there is

14:21

never any comment

14:23

on like and here's what we could do to fix those

14:26

broken systems it's just always

14:28

like so you gotta get on the treadmill

14:30

and on treadmill i ,

14:33

not it's fine we already have we're thoughts

14:35

more like page seven so

14:40

this so final paragraph of the first

14:42

chapter this is a little pro

14:44

version of of course the discourse it

14:46

is now dominant and die books

14:47

this isn't a diane smooth i

14:49

at least

14:50

into the detox with a cleanser

14:53

her her mom the answer is

14:55

never dieting and the american sense

14:57

but rather little alterations made steadily

15:00

over time

15:01

the when we do

15:01

will be excess weight not only does the effort

15:03

seem painless the results are

15:05

much more likely the last

15:07

my fellow americans could adopt even a fraction

15:09

of the french attitude about food and life don't worry

15:12

don't have to sign on to the politics manage

15:14

the wait would cease to be a terror

15:16

and obsession and reveal it's true

15:19

nature as part of the art of living

15:22

oh my your body will legalize

15:24

to it's natural as natural of ordinariness

15:26

i don't know i

15:28

mean and move yeah

15:31

this is like king it's

15:33

not a diet and lifestyle change that also

15:35

with this is the clearest articulation

15:37

of the like it's easy and all we're talking

15:39

about his were reconnecting our relationship with food

15:42

it's gonna turn out to great you're gonna lose this way

15:44

and you're gonna have like a ton of a more holistic

15:47

life you know you're gonna you're going to rediscover

15:49

like quality ingredients and stuff

15:52

it's she presents it as a win win

15:54

rate you're gonna lose in a set of

15:56

a food network show exact will just

15:58

be surrounded by proud

15:59

freshly like magically

16:02

pre risen bread a

16:07

brief detour to just talk

16:09

the about the fact that of of this

16:10

book is wrong i ,

16:13

we should least discuss it via

16:15

acknowledge the existence of fat french people

16:17

yeah so so i look this up so at at

16:19

the time of the publication

16:21

of his books fifty five percent

16:24

of americans on the be my scale which bullshit

16:26

all the normal copy of supplies fifty

16:29

five percent of were overweight or obese

16:31

and thirty five percent of french people so

16:34

fifty five percent america thirty five percent france

16:36

is that nothing like know it's a pretty significant

16:39

difference but also it's not one

16:41

hundred percent americans represent france make

16:43

like we're talking about the same phenomenon but just

16:45

at different scales basically right in

16:47

the publishers not gonna stand for a title that like

16:49

two thirds of french women jokes assess

16:53

really takes the wind out of it sales okay

16:55

so now organ died back into the

16:57

books one is called

17:00

the beginning called the overweight

17:02

word red flags already in

17:04

red flag territory animal lover she

17:07

grows up france in the nineteen

17:09

sixties

17:10

it doesn't appear that she was a fat

17:12

kid at all by when

17:15

she moved to america on

17:17

exchange when she's sixteen she

17:19

starts gaining so

17:23

i will send you a

17:25

excerpts okay

17:27

for all the prices new friends and experiences

17:29

i was embracing else altogether

17:31

something sinister was lovely

17:33

shape chief

17:35

before i could node it

17:37

it turned into fifteen pounds morales

17:40

and quite probably

17:41

it was august my last month before

17:43

the return

17:44

voyage france

17:46

was in nantucket with one of my adoptive

17:48

say

17:48

were when i suffered the first blow

17:51

the qataris

17:52

action of myself in a bathing suit my

17:55

american mother who had perhaps been through

17:57

something like this before with another daughter in

17:59

linked to be registered my

18:02

good seamstress she a bolt

18:04

of the most lovely linen and be a summer

18:06

shift it seem to solve

18:08

the problem but really only bought me a little time

18:11

what you think well something sinister

18:13

this does seem like the sort of the the major

18:16

trauma of her status that another

18:18

way to see this is why didn't realize

18:20

as gaming week and i learned i was gaining

18:22

weight yeah that's that's what happens this passage

18:25

that's another we have seen that yeah

18:27

i would like a moment of recognizing like last

18:29

passage is this author

18:32

talking exclusively about her own body

18:34

and also projecting really

18:36

intensely powerful messages

18:39

about what it means to weight

18:41

or to become a fat person race

18:44

yikes describing this as

18:46

like a monster or like the

18:48

shark in jaws write

18:50

something else altogether something

18:52

sinister was slowly taking shape

18:54

like that is some wild

18:57

language to use to describe

18:59

like a very normal human

19:01

experience of week fluctuate super

19:03

norm all the thing that lots and lots and

19:05

lots of people experience so when you're fucking

19:07

about your own experience and you talk

19:09

about it in this kind of way

19:11

like there's something lurking in the

19:13

shadows coming for you that

19:16

also sends a message to your readers about how

19:18

they're supposed to think about their own bodies

19:21

or how you might also be thinking about their

19:23

bodies race flick this is

19:25

feels like one of those real powerful where

19:27

i'm like technically this

19:29

has been written in ways so as to

19:31

be like unassailable right like i'm just

19:33

talking about my own experience and also

19:35

the language this being use your is so

19:37

powerful so moralizing and

19:39

so yeah icky wait

19:42

it's , he much worse it gets

19:44

oh no own methods are they

19:46

going classic like wasting my outrage

19:49

too early i'd i'd our that save

19:51

your enemy say

19:53

get say protein bar so

19:56

because it's the

19:57

he's she takes a boat

19:59

back

19:59

cramps and she talks about on

20:02

this journey she's like worried

20:05

what her french friends are gonna say

20:07

to her when she gets back and they see that she's gained

20:09

weight and she says she's been right them letters

20:11

but she hasn't said anything about the weight gain as says

20:14

deliberately only set them photos

20:16

of her face loading

20:18

, friends wouldn't see how much weight she's gained

20:21

and then she gets

20:23

to france and her father

20:26

meets father like at the pier or whatever

20:28

when the boat pulls up so this up so

20:31

excerpts okay

20:32

since you're not see me for a whole year

20:35

i expected my father there who always wore

20:37

heart on his face would embarrass

20:39

me rounding up the gangway for the

20:41

first hug and kiss when

20:43

i spied the diminutive frenchman

20:45

in is familiar burrell he looked stunned

20:48

they approached now a little hesitantly

20:50

he just stared at me

20:52

and as we came near after a few seconds that

20:54

seemed endless there in front of my brother

20:56

and american shipmates

20:58

all we could manage to say to his cherished

21:00

will girl come home you

21:03

look like a super though

21:05

another way to say that one is my dad is a real

21:07

dick about it it sucks

21:09

like that's fucking awful it saw

21:12

and also holy shit imagine if he hadn't actually

21:14

fat daughter the way that

21:16

these books normalize like

21:18

really treatment of children is

21:20

really worrying to me because

21:22

she presents as and

21:23

almost like a come to jesus moment

21:25

like this is this is the thing that like broke

21:28

her out of complacency

21:30

if she says she spends like the next three days crying

21:33

she feels terrible she's mad of

21:35

the families doing this like trip to paris together

21:37

and she can enjoy

21:38

golf she she kind of downplayed

21:40

that she's like oh he mean it to be mean like

21:42

he was all that tactful he was just

21:44

you know he was just surprised and he was expressing

21:46

his surprise you're sending

21:48

message of light on you know sometimes

21:51

people say stuff like this to their kids and like

21:54

know it's really not okay

21:55

under any circumstances to speak to your kid this way

21:57

it's terrible and i think it's really the

22:00

me that all of this stuff is offered in this

22:02

book as then you just need

22:04

to diet not then you need to talk

22:06

to your dad about how he talks to you and reconsider

22:09

what your relationship like right now

22:11

yeah our then you rite of passage in

22:13

the book about like this is a totally unacceptable

22:15

way to talk to your kids am i wish it hadn't of

22:17

the sect on me but it did and but the little the

22:20

yes there's so many ways to

22:22

there and diet

22:24

books when they present moments like this pic

22:27

single way that will result

22:30

in know accountable the

22:32

the person or people who

22:34

are like saying these awful things

22:36

to people and passing judgement on other folks

22:39

bodies and so on and so forth like it's gross

22:41

and know like reflects you know reflection no

22:43

cause to be like soon

22:45

should i say this to actually

22:47

yeah no no can see

22:49

and that moving to paris eventually she graduates

22:51

from high school move to paris starts attending

22:54

the sorbonne and she

22:56

keeps gaining weight after she must paris by

22:58

herself she says at five

23:00

foot i was now overweight by any

23:03

standard and nothing i own sit not

23:05

even my american mother's summer schist

23:07

i had to flannel ones same design

23:09

but roomier the cover of my lumpy

23:11

ness i told the dressmaker to hurry

23:14

and hated myself every minute of the day

23:16

more and more my father's for paw

23:18

seem justified jesus christ

23:21

so it's like she's clearly internal paying

23:24

all this like wait shame cause

23:26

like she wasn't really sappho the society and

23:28

her down as really mean until

23:30

like she's just feeling kind of like increasingly

23:32

desperate you and

23:35

her parents eventually somehow

23:37

linked her up with a doctor in paris

23:40

who paris going to help her lose the weight

23:42

she doesn't give a doctor's real name but she calls

23:45

him doctor miracle move and the

23:47

oh the book is basically

23:49

like his plan for her

23:52

she says he he the real me

23:54

my essential frenchness or something

23:57

but it's essentially just like the diet plan that

23:59

doctor

23:59

that her on when she was this is very

24:02

karl lagerfeld diet it's like

24:04

as i mean i i i think there's something

24:05

really interesting about how many of these books are written

24:08

by people who were seen

24:10

their whole lives and again a pretty

24:12

small amount of weight emperor rarely

24:14

and then lost it and then like immediately

24:17

to spend the rest of their lives which is a woman

24:19

her fifties rate giving people advice

24:21

on how the do it to yeah

24:23

that's not the universal experience

24:25

of betty the like a lot of people are just fat

24:27

their whole lives rate your how

24:29

you lost the freshmen the

24:31

team is not gonna make me into

24:34

a thin person right you and i have talked about

24:36

sort of this phenomenon of like formerly fat

24:38

people think having the to

24:40

be extremely anti fat the

24:43

strong or stronger or sin

24:45

people who were once sadder than they wanted

24:47

to be dead yet they're gonna blame the rate

24:50

of time like brief period some

24:52

of the most arrogant and incurious

24:55

weight advice i get his

24:57

yeah we're like once i weighed ten

24:59

pounds more than this and i target right off

25:01

there are lot of people who are like as i i i

25:03

went on for two weeks and i gained ten

25:06

pounds and i came home and i lost it

25:08

and here's how you like that's not like

25:10

i started going back to the gym and eight the way i was

25:12

before making light of lucky i didn't back my

25:14

previous lifestyle what are

25:17

you okay so are you

25:19

are you ready the here doctor miracles plan

25:22

snow god step one

25:24

of this plan is for the next three

25:26

weeks she is supposed to write down

25:28

everything eats o

25:31

k her doctor

25:32

if you have to change anything

25:34

but just keep a log have

25:36

teen with crushing self esteem

25:39

issues related to your body don't

25:41

change anything just write down what you eat

25:43

she also this is one of the first

25:45

little like little tiny clues

25:47

that this is going to get weirder as we go

25:49

along

25:50

he says to

25:51

oh how much you're eating to know what to

25:53

write down in the suit diaries you should start

25:55

weighing all of your food

25:57

on a kitchen scale yeah this is similar

25:59

cool we watchers nonsense exactly

26:02

i your little scale whom so

26:04

that's step one step to

26:06

is to jump start your weight

26:08

loss

26:09

way you do that

26:11

is a weekend of nothing

26:14

but leak soup ah forty

26:16

eight hours this is why i'm know that are

26:18

we've got some weight watchers stuff

26:21

none a little dash of cabbage

26:24

soup sigh it just a little short crash

26:26

cabbage soup and i am this time with leak

26:28

so it feels vaguely different it's a very

26:30

funny in the sessa the book earlier wasn't as

26:32

i said i don't work she specifically mentions

26:35

like the cabbage soup diet like can you believe

26:37

women in the seventies were eating like

26:40

a saboteur turn page it should

26:42

have been have soup we all know

26:45

that

26:46

okay let me send you this fucking

26:48

weeks so because it as

26:49

totally miserable really this is a

26:51

recipe i love a good vegetable soup

26:54

and it seems a thing that would not be hard to

26:56

make delicious know look offering

26:59

offer it could have a peg it's

27:02

, that that signed the weekend

27:05

if weekend hadn't lost hadn't

27:07

see a clean the leaks and

27:10

then the leaks the leagues and a large pot

27:12

and cover with water bring to boil reduce

27:14

the heat and simmer uncovered for twenty to thirty minutes

27:16

poor up a liquid reserve place believes

27:18

in a book what that's the the b

27:21

c or just drinking lead one of

27:25

the facility amazing the thirty out of weeks

27:27

look at the ingredients two pounds leaks

27:30

salt no butter or olive oil

27:32

to like saute the leaks beforehand know

27:34

garlic given that no no

27:36

not ice is why

27:38

the everyone boy

27:40

the old week that i mean this is even

27:42

like meaningfully soup this is

27:44

every meme about a crash diet

27:46

and every i'm about white people food

27:48

all at the see oh

27:52

he could do a feeling current issue with mayonnaise

27:54

and then it would be like my element white people

27:56

who'd meet like that it on i

27:59

live pillow

28:01

a podcast called

28:03

by the book were both of cohosts

28:05

ride this diet oh

28:07

of them

28:08

we're crying her

28:10

, it's , quite

28:12

a good episode actually a league it in the show notes so

28:14

you're essentially just not eating for forty

28:17

hours a week you can't really

28:19

function

28:20

and all of the bucket here let

28:22

me let me since the such

28:24

the text after this

28:28

the those you don't love the sweet taste

28:30

and delicate texture of leaks you

28:33

probably will probably doesn't

28:36

, a kidnapper up that some

28:38

has to be drunk or at low

28:40

temperatures taste every two to

28:42

three hours one cup

28:44

at one cup this will be your nourishment

28:47

both days until sunday dinner

28:49

when you can the small piece of meat

28:51

or fish four to six ounces

28:53

don't lose that scale yes the

28:56

to vegetable steamed with a bit of butter

28:58

or

28:58

the oil and a piece of fruit

29:01

versions are so good and such

29:03

an adventure for most pallets the you will have

29:05

a hard time seeing them the reason

29:08

what the first who would

29:10

have thought like this is is fully deranged

29:13

that a weekend me if you like absolute shit also

29:16

there's no such thing as jumpstarting weight loss

29:18

any doctor any diet plan any

29:20

anything that tells you

29:21

about kick starting weight loss

29:23

or like getting hit the ground running or something

29:26

this is not our bodies work all

29:28

that happens this where you're eating

29:30

nothing but leaks oops that boat both of

29:32

the cohosts of this podcast loss i think one

29:34

of them are three pounds one of the last four

29:36

and a half pound like yeah tube you lose weight

29:38

when you don't eat anything you know this from

29:40

when you keep keep food down exactly

29:42

so this is not any any

29:45

magic going on here but you gain one hundred

29:47

percent of the week back within like another two

29:49

days as soon as you return to eating normally

29:51

like a lot of as waterway that

29:52

it comes right back on this is that meaningful

29:55

weight loss of all you're doing is you're setting yourself up for

29:57

failure there's no there's no point in doing

29:59

this

30:00

after you've done the

30:03

goal of the next

30:05

three months this is called recasting

30:07

some is to relentlessly

30:10

go through your food diary

30:13

and to look at all of a little

30:15

cuts that you can make

30:16

for her it was that she was walking to

30:18

school and she often didn't have time

30:20

in the to make breakfast so she would grab like a pastry

30:23

on the way to school and then she like a pastry

30:25

on the way home from school so for her

30:28

it was like okay if those are the cuts it

30:30

i can make i'm eating is unhealthy i

30:32

should start breakfast home yet so

30:34

he starts out as like okay the the chocolate that

30:36

your

30:36

sting at midnight like cut that whatever this

30:38

is like fairly standard advice in these kinds of books

30:40

but then she also says that when

30:42

you find

30:43

the thing that you want to keep in your life things

30:45

that really do bringing pleasure that aren't extraneous

30:48

that you don't feel about the next day

30:50

he says what you should do is start

30:52

reducing them

30:53

mentally

30:54

so she says

30:55

if you're drinking juice seen abuse has

30:57

calories in it so you should start diluting it

30:59

with water

31:00

the that sort of like her her metaphor

31:02

for like cut out the things that aren't

31:04

really giving you pleasure and then the things

31:07

that are giving you pleasure just

31:09

make them worse yeah i totally make

31:11

them less pleasurable yeah

31:13

she says overtime you'll discover

31:15

what is obvious to french women there

31:17

can be an almost ecstatic enjoyment

31:19

in a single piece find

31:21

chocolate than a dozen snickers bars

31:23

can never give you on that subject please

31:25

all

31:26

eliminate all chocolate loaded

31:28

cornstarch corn syrup artificial flavoring

31:30

artificial coloring and too much sugar so

31:32

again she's just basically telling

31:34

you to like eat less right side you

31:37

your chocolate did you knew that you

31:39

can actually just

31:39

one square of the dark chocolate

31:42

this is the oprah i love bread

31:44

and read in moderation blah blah

31:47

but it's like it sounds reasonable at first it it's like

31:49

okay we're going to cut your life down to things that really give

31:51

you pleasure it's a it's like a

31:52

wonder woman right like this this brings me joy

31:55

right we'd be one or reconnect ourselves

31:57

with the joy of suit

31:58

and then it's like a couple

31:59

up later she's like but even the things

32:02

that

32:02

new joy you should just eat less than

32:04

get rid of those to get right here reducing

32:06

everything to as little as possible

32:09

i don't think is like the way that for

32:10

people eat right the the marketing

32:12

of book is like were reconnecting suit

32:14

how can i like butter and pastries

32:17

eldest stuff i'm like still lose weight

32:19

then what you actually get into the meat of the book

32:22

the eat lack of that he'd have

32:23

the pastry yeah and then eat less than that

32:25

and eat less than that yeah there is this sort

32:27

of concept of eating disorders

32:29

that is just like one day a person

32:32

usually a young woman wakes

32:34

up and is just consumed with the desire

32:36

to be thin and will anything to become

32:38

as thin as possible i'm sure that

32:40

is some experience that it's just like some

32:42

happens that is like a bolt of lightning

32:44

they're all in for me

32:47

it was absolutely was slow

32:49

slide like this though you're

32:51

like oh like could not eat until

32:54

eleven am what if what if make it until one

32:56

pm whatever great until four pm

32:58

what if i could make it until seven pm rate

33:00

like this kind of like dame

33:03

of firing and narrowing and narrowing

33:05

a narrowing it was the nature of

33:07

my eating disorder right so to see

33:09

someone spell all of that

33:11

out as recommendations is

33:14

rally intense to be like then you should

33:16

do this and i'm like

33:17

good night and it was bad so i

33:19

mean this is this is was to me is that the rest

33:21

of the

33:21

raptor in basically just a of

33:25

degrees of eating disorder behavior

33:27

he said that her doctors first tip

33:29

her was because she's eating is pastries

33:31

to and from school he

33:34

told her to do not bring enough money

33:36

with her to he picks trees

33:38

at school so like only

33:40

bring with you for the

33:42

train ride and like maybe a cup of coffee

33:44

at school which is like this is an era you

33:46

know before credit cards and stuff so so she

33:49

literally just like doesn't have money when she's

33:51

a school day he ,

33:53

says that she should walk a different route

33:55

to school every day so that she's not tempted

33:58

because he smelling the pastries so

33:59

and she wants to go into by

34:01

he says that she

34:03

the only go to the store and do shopping

34:05

for like one to two days which are

34:07

no i mean i kind of do that but then

34:10

pussy out of laziness the says the

34:12

says she should only by what she needs

34:14

like couple days basically so that she doesn't have any food

34:16

in the house the tells her give

34:19

up processed foods because she doesn't know

34:21

what's the portions are right it's right it's to way

34:23

something at a restaurant where you can weigh it at

34:25

home sure

34:26

she has his whole thing

34:28

out a book of using

34:31

different place so it's

34:33

like if you're having like chicken and cauliflower

34:35

you shouldn't have the to foods on the plate

34:37

at the same time you should eat the chicken on

34:39

a plate first and then you should

34:42

go get a new plate serve up the cauliflower

34:44

and like a nice presentation way

34:47

they need to cauliflower you shouldn't be eating two things

34:49

at the same time y c

34:51

it literally has section

34:53

the old ritual eating says

34:55

like one of the signs and include god

34:58

it he only at the table only

35:00

sitting down never eat out of curtains

35:02

use real plates and decent napkins if

35:04

you have them to emphasize the seriousness

35:06

over the activity

35:08

the foley to properly do

35:10

not watch television

35:11

or read the paper think only about what

35:13

you are eating smelly and savoring every

35:15

bite she's she has a whole thing i'm

35:17

portion control

35:18

as as a rule half a pound

35:20

of anything in one sitting

35:21

too much cut back gently especially

35:24

if your problem is too much of a good thing salmon

35:26

is wonderful health food but you need

35:28

to have half a pound to feel can't you need

35:30

to much keep the scale handy and

35:32

reduce else by hours until for

35:34

to elsa seems like a satisfying amount

35:36

tio things so like your

35:39

ritualized saying you're

35:41

eating your monitoring your own

35:43

eating you're thinking about

35:46

sued all that time right

35:48

i can't walk to school the same way i walked

35:50

her yesterday so i don't get a pastry

35:52

and when i'm at school i'm probably fucking starving

35:54

because they don't have any food

35:56

that i can buy like i only have this thing that i weighed

35:58

out meticulously can eat just

36:00

like this amount of fixation

36:03

food is like really worry

36:05

yeah we're in full eating disorder territory

36:08

and then she ends the chapter

36:10

with a recipe the there's a lot of recipes

36:12

in of books most of which gonna look

36:14

okay on the surface

36:16

the the the recipe that she ends

36:17

chapter with is like a cross

36:20

where apple tart which

36:22

like whatever an apple terrible across like i

36:24

make

36:24

he should get across all the time to crust is like

36:27

at the pain in the ass of making keys is the

36:29

crest fiancee scrambled eggs in a pan

36:31

great at it with guess so she

36:33

you like cut up for apple's right and put

36:35

him in like a turpan normal fine for

36:38

apple's she uses one tablespoon

36:41

of sugar ah this serves

36:43

for it's got one

36:44

tablespoon of sugar free she

36:46

also tells you i cannot believe

36:48

this she tells you to serve it on cabbage

36:51

leaves cries

36:53

what kind of still see a nightmare

36:56

she says they're like that you don't have to

36:58

eat them if you don't want to and

37:00

they're like there for decoration

37:04

you're like look like shit like bird

37:06

cabbage leaves top chef

37:09

ma'am and united the

37:11

well i don't know if you much

37:14

clear on this uses on a mission to ruin

37:16

food what of food was

37:18

bad how much of it as he was

37:20

so the next this is this is for

37:23

three months is like the recasting rights

37:25

and then we get to the the

37:27

the maintenance phase the sort of for the rest of your

37:29

life rules basically i'm guessing

37:32

there reasonable follow bowl an

37:34

idea is likely prevent

37:37

again it's the same sort of thing with basically

37:39

just like relentless restriction

37:42

one of her like main things that she goes back

37:44

to is always eating three meals

37:46

a day like only like never have

37:48

a snacks

37:50

he says never be hungry

37:52

i mean that's absurd to dot sister increase

37:55

because if you've already cut things

37:57

that yeah what are you talking about like what she means

37:59

by this by this

37:59

get me off because then you're just going i'm

38:02

eating more the next meal

38:04

they also have a whole thing was she's like okay to have the

38:06

day right if you're out with friends you

38:08

know don't be a weirdo you can like eat what everybody

38:11

else is eating then she immediately

38:13

says like be you're going to compensate for

38:15

it tomorrow ah she says it's

38:17

simply a matter of taking from peter to pay

38:19

paul when you add an indulgence make

38:21

a corresponding reduction to compensate

38:23

add another half hours walking the next day

38:25

skip the cocktail pass the breadbasket

38:28

this is you become a tune to wear your greatest pleasures

38:30

come from you will also have to come to know

38:32

compensations work best for you and jesus

38:35

christmas so you're eating

38:37

normally around your friends and

38:39

then the next day you're like ruthlessly

38:41

restricting yourself to compensate so like

38:44

you're kind of hiding your to softer from

38:46

your friend is basically with amounts to which

38:48

is part of having an eating disorder

38:50

for a lot of like hiding

38:52

it for like going out for

38:54

like our

38:55

the next day to burn it off and like

38:57

feeling guilty

38:57

about it rains more

39:00

this but

39:02

, about thirty three getting getting

39:04

real me up a business

39:07

is bad and people shouldn't do at don't

39:09

read this book so the only

39:12

saving grace of book so that this

39:14

book is two hundred and seventy three pages long to

39:16

copy that i have word that this point

39:18

in the book we are on page seventy

39:20

one right we've gotten her story

39:24

we've gotten her tips for the first three months her

39:26

tits are maintaining as the rest your life

39:27

the rest of the book

39:30

is still there

39:33

, nothing else ah

39:36

we're like a quarter of the

39:38

into the button oh my god

39:40

rent of book is like it there's chapter

39:42

titles but it's basically just like how to do

39:44

food like

39:45

french person and wow

39:46

as this whole about like

39:48

how to shop at the market and she

39:51

tells us

39:51

molly boring anecdote

39:53

about she wants to her husband does he's

39:56

flying from paris

39:57

the she has to work the day is a time to cook

40:00

you want to get him is like favorite breakfast if she does

40:02

the markets and like looking melons

40:05

then she was talking to the melon person about rape

40:07

this and then she buys a melon

40:09

when it's not right

40:11

then two days later when he arrives

40:13

it is right and it's the perfect breakfast

40:17

edit like yeah i i

40:20

know how like ripeness

40:21

food work and

40:24

one why you're telling me about this make

40:26

last week i got an avocado the heart

40:28

of the rock

40:29

then i just left on the counter for a couple a days

40:31

and then it was perfect good arbor

40:34

a beginning middle of a

40:36

resident of i

40:39

was delighted read you read bunch of

40:41

x

40:42

there's an active like i cannot convey

40:44

the you how fucking boring

40:46

like three quarters of this book

40:48

not even like eating disorder or like diet

40:50

tips it's literally she has a whole thing

40:52

on and she's like cinnamon is

40:54

good and desserts but also they use it in like

40:57

in cooking for courses

40:58

and a great doesn't are you you're just

41:00

telling me about spices

41:02

in an amateur be completely

41:04

agree on a cinnamon cardinals real

41:06

good if you put in the pie crust you're never gonna

41:08

eat again you know what interesting

41:10

cool facts smith a whole fucking

41:13

chapter where she explains the concept

41:15

of soup to , a starter

41:17

or can be part of the main or and be aside

41:20

for like a meat dish dish moray

41:23

i've had soups i'm familiar

41:25

with the concept soup

41:27

good how soup works ladies is it's

41:29

so weird and then she has

41:31

a lot of recipes and i don't i mean

41:33

i don't think editors like testing

41:36

recipes most of the recipes are

41:38

fucking trashed my god make

41:40

we're entering my favorite

41:43

part of every diet book which

41:45

is absolute garbage recipe

41:48

is included i love them so

41:51

much give me your wildest

41:54

listen to the fucking ready to a recipe okay

41:57

first of all it's rather to eat it serves

41:59

twelve

41:59

like just a lot of fucking the to

42:02

a the first place and it's three

42:04

pounds tomatoes three pounds zucchini

42:07

three pounds eggplant to

42:09

tables of olive oil know

42:13

forty , pounds

42:16

it's old boss i

42:18

know aimlessly the most absorbent

42:21

vegetable his act like you could use that shit

42:24

as paper towels if you ran out of

42:26

this of to rise he

42:28

basically says put all nine pounds

42:30

of if we chop it up

42:31

put it in a pan and then just

42:33

put it on

42:34

low heat for two and a half think

42:37

it's baby food i think we're in baby food territory

42:39

it is gonna be much debate she basically says

42:42

that like it comes out like

42:42

you know she also says you shouldn't put salt

42:45

on your food because it like makes you retain water like

42:47

look or even you aren't fatter so like

42:49

we can have that is you're not insulting

42:51

these fucking vegetables who is this really

42:54

awful and again you're basically eating

42:56

the ball water not having sat

42:58

for assault or sugar for reasons that she

43:00

has explained but he hasn't explained there's

43:03

no spaces in any specific

43:05

model i apologised walking

43:08

into cinnamon and that apple's are of a

43:10

so now you're also just supposed to flee

43:12

because it's flavorful than you'll want to eat

43:15

then you shouldn't want to eat at this whole set

43:17

it is is completely deranged she has about

43:19

like you said last more she has a lesson

43:21

on yawning so it is important

43:24

is your own website i

43:26

, it's it's not instructions for an eating disorder

43:28

so i'm like you know what moray find

43:31

find only rates

43:34

she fucking she's obsessed as yogurt and she says

43:36

you have to make your own yogurt because all the

43:38

brands that you by the store have by the of additives in them

43:40

which is not true but like

43:42

i'm sure homemade yogurt is better than the store bought stuff

43:45

ability felicitous yeah i'm it's

43:47

great she has she has a detailed instructions

43:50

and submit your own yogurt with

43:52

or without a yogurt maker which is fairly impressed

43:53

if she's also she's a ceo

43:56

of

43:56

the campaign brand so obviously she has like forty

43:58

pages of like how champagne is

44:00

like the special team it like makes you

44:02

happier and like friendships

44:04

whatever it's like her extolling

44:06

the virtues of fucking champagne for like

44:08

his to but it's it's

44:11

very weird be i a lot of reviews

44:13

of his book

44:13

like very few people

44:15

mention the fact that it's like at least three

44:17

quarters just nothing it's

44:19

just like it's experience of going on

44:21

your friend's house for up the holidays or something and you

44:23

sit next to them weird and and she

44:25

just has like id

44:26

about stuff and like a bunch of weird

44:28

advice

44:29

the view and like most of it's fairly harmless

44:31

and you're like okay american legal listen

44:34

to

44:34

the person like babble on make at

44:36

this point you're describing me because

44:39

, around to make a podcast the foreman

44:42

of one point

44:44

soon

44:44

the restaurants that she goes

44:46

to in paris she's like i love oysters

44:49

when i'm in paris i go to like blur

44:51

always

44:51

not

44:55

nail , really feel

44:57

this really feel not edited and it really has

44:59

via it does have the sense of like i wrote

45:01

this on the weekends dislike

45:03

i think soup is really great as deserve

45:05

favorite kinds of soups i like the soups

45:07

with no flavor ingredients

45:10

way to assess assess

45:12

god but then i mean in

45:14

between the lines what you're getting

45:16

is this is a woman who can basically

45:18

sit down and right a hundred and forty

45:21

pages about food and wine

45:23

the places she to eat and the former like specific

45:25

farmers markets in that she likes going

45:27

to

45:28

but then all of her actual

45:30

advice is this way to like deny

45:33

herself pleasure it it seems that she

45:35

her life constantly thinking

45:38

yeah in in some way they do wonder about

45:40

this whole diet book being

45:42

like a to her dad

45:44

oh i did it looks edited

45:47

so much student mean like that

45:49

stuff stays with people those experiences

45:52

of body policing and unwanted

45:54

comments and like judgments

45:57

yeah like often wonder when i'm reading

45:59

diet books how much of this is

46:01

you continuing

46:03

to differentiate yourself from

46:05

right either fat people which is like

46:08

all of them are that and or from

46:10

some experience

46:13

of feeling like someone else was judging

46:15

your body to be like no idea that

46:17

the most i'm the best at being said

46:19

race the best that avoiding these judgments

46:21

and you can't get me because delight

46:24

perfectly ray rice have a lot

46:26

of compassion for it and that unleashes

46:28

our new wave of garbage people doing

46:31

garbage things rate what i was really struck by

46:33

reading this is how like how desperate

46:36

people are the stuff that somebody can spend

46:39

decades of their life denying themselves

46:41

one of their primary pleasures just

46:43

so that they can stay sent that's how much of a holds

46:46

the stuff has on our society the like an

46:48

individual would that i would it effectively

46:50

to live with deprivation the she

46:52

talks about you have to make yogurt the night before

46:55

she makes your to drink a huge glass of

46:57

water thirty minutes she eats time

47:00

she goes for a walk before breakfast lives

47:02

on the fifteenth floor of some building a

47:04

new york and she often take the stairs up

47:07

to talk about like making her own copies so

47:09

that she has an excuse to get up and walk during

47:11

the if she thought about this every

47:13

single day for her whole life and she's

47:15

essentially prescribing as

47:17

like this is this

47:19

what you should do yeah this is how you should

47:21

live your life throat once you really get

47:23

down to it it's just this is a calorie

47:25

restriction diet as you're on for the rest your life rate

47:28

she's not counting calories but it very

47:30

intensely about restricting calories

47:33

by high calorie foods and by

47:35

restricting kind of all foods does

47:37

either leak water and seen since it

47:39

almost becomes like part time job

47:42

that you have phrased thing that like occupy

47:44

so much of your time she says like you should

47:46

only eat out on special occasions you

47:48

always and i mean i could lose fifty

47:50

more these it's just like the ways

47:52

that she has adjusted her lies to

47:55

remain if you're eating out

47:57

and you're only getting in like eating out as often

47:59

as so the activity you write that may

48:01

also meme for her that she's like

48:03

restricting her social opportunities are

48:06

that that's what she's recommending to other people or

48:08

that that's how other people are taking it's wraith

48:10

site is like you can't be around

48:12

other people when food is present which is

48:14

many of the times that we gather together

48:17

as human there is food prep right this is

48:19

calling for not just a reorganization

48:22

of the foods that you eat

48:24

but a reorganization of your life

48:26

and your to other people

48:28

freight and it just is

48:31

so bizarre to market

48:33

this level of restriction

48:36

in judgment and everything else

48:38

as like easy breezy you gonna

48:40

love the food itself

48:42

a week water you could have a just

48:44

like

48:45

saudi apple's with was still butter

48:47

sugar on some it just like a hot

48:49

apple's so the conclusion

48:52

of the book the book the the chapters

48:54

more and more the stuff she has chapter

48:57

on my parenting advice which i

48:59

was ready for that to get real bad but

49:01

it's actually not that bad so the only

49:03

thing that i like

49:04

about the argument as she makes through

49:06

the book is it like americans have

49:09

kind of a toxic relationship the food and

49:11

especially the way that we talk about

49:13

food she says it like americans have the same

49:15

where everyone's constantly talk about the diet of their

49:17

own

49:17

i hate my body i shouldn't eaten

49:19

that i feel bad about it like

49:22

the connection

49:23

like in and consumption

49:26

is something that just runs through every conversation

49:28

in american life and she's like it's as

49:30

our clubs who dislike like suit as good as

49:32

good talk about food

49:35

freely and openly and joyfully

49:37

and then he piano restricted

49:39

joyless exactly why

49:41

doesn't it doesn't , by this

49:43

rule at all no doesn't

49:45

like so that's basically the

49:47

book is the for seventy pages of like

49:49

how to have an disorder and

49:51

then then hundred and fifty pages

49:54

of just like here's what food and france's like

49:56

or cinnamon comes from a

49:59

wow

50:03

such a bummer that this was such a huge hit

50:05

i do think it's actually worth talking

50:07

about like the reception to the and the kind

50:09

of aftermath of the book yeah after

50:11

it became a really big deal there

50:13

were some interesting rebuttals to the book

50:15

so was one in the new york

50:17

times into the

50:18

five were

50:20

the the author says when i

50:22

was a college student in france a year

50:24

i also up bad habit a pack

50:26

of cigarettes a day that's what you do in paris

50:28

sit in cafes drinking coffee and smoking

50:31

i acquired a new felt figure not

50:33

from chewing slowly through for course dinners something

50:35

on oysters are setting out fine china at

50:37

every meal the regime francais

50:40

i learned was cigarettes and it took me fifteen

50:42

years to quit boko wow

50:45

the route of between

50:47

america and france or

50:48

that different since people like five percent

50:50

higher smoking rates

50:52

what's interesting france is it smoking

50:54

habits run the economic

50:56

blatter

50:58

though in america mostly poor people who smoke

51:00

whereas in france it's everybody and

51:02

so the argument that they

51:04

make in this piece is basically that like

51:06

gather the thin women with

51:08

like nice car

51:10

that you see in paris are

51:12

not sin because they're following his advice their

51:14

sin because they're there's also been

51:16

a huge backlash to

51:18

this kind of eat like a friend's person thing in

51:21

the form of like pointing out that france

51:23

is extremely sad sobek here twenty

51:25

seventeen there was a memoir cody you're

51:27

not born fat the writer

51:29

named dead yea

51:31

she dot about how i mean there's still this

51:33

practice in france where when

51:35

you apply for jobs

51:36

the you send a photo

51:38

of yourself

51:39

what yeah this is

51:41

i've seen when i lived in denmark is is

51:43

normal germany this is normal like this is

51:45

fairly standard practice across much

51:47

of europe

51:47

oh it's something that like when i talk

51:49

to europeans about it

51:50

tear my fucking here because they're all little why wouldn't

51:53

you send a

51:53

and make the only reason

51:56

to send a photo would be to live rule

51:58

out people headscarves

51:59

people that are not way people who are

52:02

found like yeah other purposes

52:04

there for the i mean to my mind

52:06

this is just like open the floodgates

52:08

for racism in person the killer

52:10

yeah he and along way

52:13

know

52:13

the you problem with this is it's size based

52:15

discrimination is actually illegal in france

52:18

which is good but because you have descended

52:20

your photo with your fucking job application

52:22

you don't get to the interview statement to gabrielle

52:25

did you the the

52:25

reddit members she got a job at a preschool

52:27

she was teaching autistic kids the

52:30

first day at school she had a

52:32

really fat so big boss and

52:34

there were six in the class

52:37

and when showed up her boss said are

52:39

we have seven handicapped people with us today

52:42

wow raids and was fired

52:45

from his job for cortical sailing at

52:47

her

52:47

the duties her duty being to

52:49

lose the weight because her boss wanted her to

52:51

be

52:52

so she loses the drop in the

52:54

interview with her in the guardian takes place

52:56

at takes fucking

52:57

youth hostel

52:58

because she lost her job she can afford her apartment

53:00

more so she is the move into a youth hostel i this

53:02

is all awful and it also feels

53:04

like such a it's really interesting

53:07

to me that when folks marginalize

53:10

fat people the things that they reach

53:12

for one of the key things that they for

53:14

is like them to be yeah

53:17

that's really interesting it's a fascinating truly

53:19

garbage tactic that both leaves

53:22

fab people feel like shit and also

53:24

invites people into weird shit eve

53:26

list arguments yeah about like i'm not

53:28

for these reasons rather than being like okay

53:32

how about you should write more chill to like disabled

53:34

people what right well so right learn gabrielle

53:36

were also just i mean like everybody else who talks

53:39

about this talks about a bunch of articles

53:41

about her and they all their like fat

53:43

discrimination against that people as like a very well

53:45

documented problem in france but also

53:47

obesity is linked to heart disease and of

53:49

of of of threat and like

53:50

the boring health shit it's just

53:52

like that that that's really what she's saying

53:55

isn't really the issue

53:55

we're talking about here like no is

53:58

losing their job because they're fucking ldl

53:59

collector all it feels

54:02

like people think it's like bloody

54:04

mary were like you say it three times

54:06

and you will have here right residing right

54:09

if you they say like he man be nice to

54:11

fat people and you don't also say

54:14

also it's terrible is a bad thing to

54:16

be it's really bad for you it's bad for our country

54:18

it's bad the world somehow

54:20

a bunch of people are magically gonna get super

54:22

fat outta nowhere a yeah it's it's it's

54:24

the same thing with the with transceiver where they would if we're

54:26

to nice difference be both sluts dial

54:28

it back at you

54:30

like any statistics and it's like we're

54:32

not that nice distress people as

54:34

a society it's the same thing of

54:36

like isn't as too much grace

54:39

to showed a fat people like yeah totally

54:41

it's bad as she lost her job

54:42

like now living in a youth hostel but

54:45

what does her resting heart rate let's talk

54:47

about the downsides of human

54:50

dignity assets , why are we

54:52

doing that or what have we could

54:54

have a conversation about shitty behavior

54:56

targeting and just let

54:58

that be and conversation about shitty behavior

55:00

without going slower than also it's really bad

55:02

for you right and what if we could talk conditions

55:05

and other

55:05

trees without boiling it down

55:07

these one dimensional individual

55:10

behaviors yeah like we keep getting these

55:12

books for to and don't get fat and

55:14

japanese women don't get old and

55:16

albanian women don't fine

55:18

lines and wrinkles

55:19

and it's like every single time

55:21

im people really want to draw

55:23

out these like lifestyle things from it is like

55:25

all he you should eat more olive oil or like oh

55:27

you should like to work or whatever it is

55:29

and like it it would be really easy to

55:31

make the case that french people

55:33

are healthier than america

55:35

yeah with friends you will have longer lifespans

55:37

they have lower infant mortality rates

55:39

you can even make that case but

55:42

then whenever somebody tries to make

55:44

that case it's like

55:45

that why you should eat salads yes

55:48

are like these really silly life

55:51

hacky one weird trick kinds

55:53

of tip and it's like know if we're interest

55:55

did in the reasons some populations

55:57

are more healthy than others it's gonna come

55:59

the stuff like health care access

56:02

and inequality and

56:04

stress but it's like are are

56:06

we interested in health

56:09

or are only interested in our

56:11

own health be i am like what

56:14

would it look like to do that kind of

56:15

thinking no no we

56:18

don't do that we just get right down

56:20

to individual level stuff in part because

56:23

those are all the messages were being settle the time in

56:25

part because that's how media covers it in part because

56:27

that's how diet market themselves it

56:30

is a really frustrating thing to be

56:32

like we could be having be having more nuanced

56:34

and fruitful and productive

56:36

converse

56:37

the show him and we are

56:39

using that at every turn wait

56:41

i would i have what i have a zinger i have

56:43

a zero

56:44

tommy ringer i can you see music

56:46

in the background arctic ice to go fast as we

56:49

think we're debate but

56:51

in fact all we're getting his leak water