In the final podcast of this series, Dani Lewis, one of our Lived Experienced Practitioners interviews Dr Phil Minoudis, Consultant Clinical Psychologist, Head of East London NHS Foundation Forensic Personality Disorder Psychology and the Joint Chair of London Pathways Partnership.In a wide ranging interview they discuss a number of important issues including the work done within the offender pathway, the very high number of offenders with (or fitting criteria for) a personality disorder diagnosis, and the underlying ethos of the care delivered. They address stigma and the impact of the diagnosis of personality disorder on the individual - including how “sticky” the label can become, being difficult to shift even when it is no longer valid or has long outlived its usefulness. They reflect on the value of co-production in reducing stigma and what happens for services and services users when this is done well. A thoughtful and informative podcast and a fitting end to the series.