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1:09

Hello, everybody. Welcome to Literally.

1:12

Today is a first.

1:13

I'm more

1:15

than a little nervous. My

1:18

wife, Cheryl Lowe, is

1:21

my guest. Not

1:23

sure how I'm going to handle this. Obviously,

1:26

looking forward to it. She's my favorite person in the

1:28

world. But it's about to get real.

1:31

Is this my version of the red table? Is that what's

1:33

happening? Is that what's what's happened here? You

1:36

be the judge of that as

1:39

we say hello

1:40

to the love bug, Cheryl Lowe. Well,

1:43

well, well. Well, well, well. Look who we have here. The

1:45

love bug.

1:57

Can't believe everybody knows my nickname. So

1:59

embarrassing. Is it? Kinda.

2:04

Um, you have a lot of nicknames though. Let's

2:07

just stick with them knowing just that one. Really?

2:11

What other? Monkey. Right,

2:14

okay. You're also known

2:16

as Monkey, you're known as Lovebug, you're

2:20

known as Lucy. Now

2:22

that's been like a million years. Well, it's

2:24

been retired, but you've been known as Lucy and

2:27

what does Gwyneth call you? I

2:30

don't know why, she calls me Shirley. Shirley?

2:33

I think Shirley's a fun name though. Shirley.

2:36

Shirley, she's joking. But

2:39

look, I think Lovebug is super sweet.

2:42

Yeah. And Monkey is like

2:44

some of my friends. I mean, we're all over

2:46

the map

2:47

with this, Rob. That's what, you

2:49

know, you'd know that if you listened to

2:51

the podcast ever. How many, how

2:54

many, how many of, of literally podcasts

2:56

do you think you've listened to? Um,

3:00

half of one. Half

3:03

of one, maybe, right? Name, name

3:06

three guests. No,

3:09

no, here's the thing. I hear

3:11

about these from you. So to hear, to

3:14

listen to the actual podcast, I feel like I'm

3:16

listening to it for the second time. I know so much

3:18

from you. I get to hear the better parts

3:20

from you, the stuff you're thinking you don't even say in

3:22

your microphone.

3:25

See, I think you just

3:27

sometimes, it's old hat. No,

3:30

no, no, I'm never. I'm an old

3:33

hat sometimes. Wow, that's

3:35

really, that helps on date night. Um,

3:40

no, it's that I swear, I mean,

3:43

you definitely like to talk about yourself. So,

3:45

yeah, that's true. If, you know,

3:47

I mean, and I always want that to feel fresh.

3:50

Hmm.

3:51

So my takeaway

3:53

is that I talk about myself

3:56

enough for sure that. listening

4:00

to the podcast where I'm talking would be a bridge

4:03

too far for you. Yeah,

4:05

I mean, look, if I have to really be honest,

4:08

it's because I'm so busy. That's

4:10

true. You know, I haven't

4:13

ever listened to any podcasts, but

4:16

I'm gonna listen to one, it's gonna be yours. Oh,

4:18

that's just not true. That's objectively

4:20

not true. I kind of been on Instagram, I saw

4:22

a little bit of Jason Bateman

4:25

and Lauren Nuts. I

4:29

thought they were really funny.

4:30

No, those guys are great. They are. They're

4:33

amazing, it's a great podcast. And Sean

4:35

Hayes is on it. I'm doing the work of three

4:37

men. That's true. There's

4:39

three of them on Smilas. But I saw a whole thing,

4:41

a whole funny riff where they were like ordering takeout,

4:44

made me laugh. I like low hanging

4:46

fruit. We don't always agree on funny, do

4:48

we? Do you think we show the same sense of

4:50

humor? Because I don't think we do. No, of course

4:52

we don't. Oh, I like that. I like

4:54

that you're not even defending

4:57

your position. Well, I don't have to

4:59

defend anything. My humor, what I like

5:01

is better than yours. Is it now? You

5:03

try to do this whole intellectual,

5:05

you know, like subtle funny.

5:08

And sometimes I like to be hit in the face with it.

5:11

I like it, I get that. I get

5:13

that. I don't wanna have to think about what

5:15

it means for it to be funny sometimes. I mean,

5:17

I like that too, but I'm- What's

5:20

your favorite comedy ever?

5:24

Oh, gosh. I

5:26

mean, you know, I love- Of mine. Oh, whoa,

5:29

of yours. Yeah, of mine. I

5:33

mean, you know, oh boy. Did

5:36

you know I did a show called Parks and Recreation? I

5:39

love Chris Traeger. Oh,

5:42

ladies and gentlemen, you have witnessed. I

5:44

like that he likes to dance and he thinks he's really good

5:47

at it. Me too. This

5:50

is actually you. It is me.

5:53

You're not great at dance. No, I don't

5:55

pretend to be good at it. I just commit. I

5:57

know, I wish we were both better at it.

7:59

Um, and you

8:02

are, I'm trying to go back to the list, honey. Come on. Tell

8:05

me about, cause

8:08

you know, I can't get enough talking about myself. Oh

8:10

God. What? But here's the thing.

8:12

We're talking about ourselves as a couple. So that by definition,

8:14

half of it is going to be about me. I was telling you

8:17

about things I like about you and now

8:19

we're going to talk about you again. No, no, no. I

8:21

just want to, I want to, I want you to take me back

8:23

to what, cause I want to talk about

8:25

what attracted me

8:28

to you. But what, what, wait, hold on. That

8:30

doesn't make sense. If you want me to talk about what attracted

8:32

you to me. No, I want to talk about, I don't

8:35

even understand. I don't either. I, I haven't had,

8:37

I haven't had enough coffee. I've been eaten. I

8:39

haven't eaten and it's the time of day or South

8:41

really quickly. This is where the intermittent fast.

8:43

I know where you're getting at. You want me to tell you

8:45

why I liked you in the beginning. That's right.

8:48

I didn't like you. That's true. Um,

8:50

you totally were. You were attracted

8:52

to me. You just didn't like me. No, no, no,

8:54

I think it's like neither. I

8:57

mean, I didn't dislike you, but I didn't

8:59

think about you in that way. You were

9:01

like that guy that had the earring

9:03

and that, you know, weird, long hair.

9:06

And you were, I considered you to be

9:08

like small because I had always,

9:10

well, I had been dating somebody

9:12

in

9:13

there, you know, over six feet and you were

9:15

under six feet. Um, I

9:17

mean, you were definitely, I'm

9:19

not going to call you pretty cause I'm just so sick of hearing

9:22

that. Um, but you know, obviously good

9:24

looking, great looking, great body,

9:26

but, um,

9:27

you know, you dressed in like those

9:29

Elton John glasses and those, I dunno,

9:31

you were just like, I like more like dudes.

9:34

Um, and, so

9:36

I thought you were, you were really nice and I'd

9:39

see you around and we had some

9:41

of the same friends and you were a hardcore

9:43

partier and I wasn't. So

9:46

they're like things, you know, that didn't

9:48

attract me in your area or

9:50

your direction.

9:52

But when it actually did

9:54

happen, I remember

9:56

thinking, God, he is so

9:58

much fun. And perfectly good

10:01

way, like smart, surprisingly

10:03

really smart, not

10:06

a follower in any sense, true leader. Funny

10:10

as everybody knows about you that actually knows

10:13

you, people can see your performances

10:15

and know you're good, but

10:19

you know Robert Hoeppler Lowe is super

10:22

funny on a daily basis,

10:25

nightly basis too. And

10:28

you were engaging

10:31

and present, a little

10:33

Hollywood and fool yourself, but

10:35

like that was not at the top, so the other

10:38

stuff

10:38

definitely you know stood out way

10:41

more. So I kind of felt like I hadn't

10:43

given you a chance, you know, I wasn't, you really just

10:45

weren't in my atmosphere. And then when you

10:47

did get in it, I had

10:49

such a great time with you and I wanted you as a friend,

10:52

because again you still weren't my arousal template,

10:55

but you

10:56

know a couple fun nights

10:58

and a little convincing, and here we are. Okay

11:03

that's a lot to unpack. Tried

11:05

to do the short version for you. No, no, no,

11:08

no, I thought the length of it was exactly perfect.

11:10

Well you've trained me well. Yeah, we've worked on

11:12

your storytelling and you're

11:15

making leaps and bounds. Oh we'll cut to it. No,

11:17

no, that was good. What's

11:18

that what Gwyneth would say? Yeah. Land the

11:20

plane. Land the plane.

11:23

But there's a lot to unpack.

11:24

I want to take a minute to carve out my

11:26

wardrobe.

11:28

What about my, you didn't

11:30

like my earring?

11:30

I didn't dislike it. It just wasn't

11:33

for me. It was, there's a whole group

11:35

of people that would have loved an earring in a guy.

11:37

Oh there was. For sure.

11:39

For sure. But not you. But

11:42

not you. No. And.

11:45

I was into the surf scene, remember? Right. Right.

11:48

You liked super so-cal

11:52

dudes like you said. Yeah.

11:54

Athletes, athletic, you know.

11:57

Guys in the gym not

11:59

talking about that. the gym. Oh, I

12:01

was in the gym. Oh, I mean,

12:03

come on. What? No, but I couldn't compete

12:06

with your Olympic boyfriends, Olympic

12:08

champion, big like chiseled out of a dog.

12:11

You didn't need to compete with them because you didn't care

12:13

about me either.

12:15

Well, I don't know if that's true. I just, I

12:17

had a lot of distractions. Everybody

12:20

has a story. Every couple has a story about

12:22

how they met and didn't notice each other.

12:25

I shouldn't say every couple, but there are those that, you

12:27

know, our story isn't different in that way. What's great

12:29

about our story is that we

12:31

were legit best friends and

12:34

hung out with each other. You know, after

12:36

we got through that hump of what we just spoke about,

12:38

we were best friends. We hung out. We

12:40

had the same circle of friends. I was

12:42

dating somebody and you'd come around and hang.

12:44

And, um,

12:47

you know, I would say I was dating somebody, but I was kind of

12:49

just hanging out with someone. And you'd sometimes

12:51

fix me up with, with people. If you felt like

12:53

they were good partners, we had, we, we

12:56

knew each other in a way in

12:59

every, in every conceivable Yes.

13:01

I never, never at that time

13:03

thought about this.

13:05

Jesus. Until

13:08

weirdly it was just like, boom.

13:10

It hit me like, I mean

13:12

like a comet. Tell, tell,

13:15

tell the story about being at the Coliseum. Oh,

13:18

it's so weird. I don't even understand

13:20

it. That's what's great about it. Cause it wasn't like I thought

13:22

about you and it wasn't like when I saw you, it was like, Oh, I'm

13:24

gonna, you know, blah, blah, blah. I

13:27

was and

13:28

am good friends with Marcus

13:31

Allen and. Great running back was playing

13:33

for the Raiders. That's right. Heisman,

13:35

everything, just great guy. And

13:37

he was legitimately just my friend and

13:40

he periodic, periodically would

13:42

give me his seats and this one game, I

13:45

was there with some friends and he said to me, I'm

13:47

dating this girl. She's sitting a couple of

13:49

rows behind you, you know, check out who she's

13:51

with. She said she was bringing a friend and you know,

13:53

let me know what you think of her. And so when

13:55

I look back, the friend was you.

13:58

Yeah. Marcus couldn't have been happy about that. I thought,

14:01

do I destroy Rob because

14:03

Marcus is not going to be pleased. In

14:05

the long run, he didn't care. But so

14:09

I went to

14:10

get a bite to eat at the concession

14:12

stands. This is at the Coliseum and I was

14:15

walking and the concession

14:17

area was like on the outside of the Coliseum.

14:20

So you walk around this whole circle and

14:22

I was on the inside and Rob

14:25

was walking toward me on the outside and I

14:27

remember seeing him and ducking. Like I didn't want him

14:29

to see me. I didn't want to deal with saying hello

14:31

or and you were just by yourself like Cruz

14:34

and nobody was bothering you.

14:36

And weird flash

14:39

came in. I don't know where

14:42

and it was like someday I'm going to be married to this guy. And

14:44

I didn't even like it.

14:47

I don't know where I realized that I had thought

14:49

that at what point in my life

14:51

because it was like there wasn't like nothing

14:53

about you. I thought about

14:55

and that was this weird thing. I don't

14:58

know. I don't understand it. It was like a like

15:01

subconscious premonition if that exists. Because

15:03

I had the same

15:05

the same with you when we took our

15:07

trip as friends to Fiji.

15:09

And

15:12

we walked into our little bungalow

15:15

and they'd put our names together on the

15:17

door. I spelled my name wrong, but yeah. They spelled your name wrong.

15:20

But I looked at it and I had the same premonition.

15:22

Well,

15:23

I mean, that's a little different. Mine's

15:25

a little more legit because we didn't even

15:27

know we weren't even. And

15:30

yours. I mean, we were already on a trip together and

15:32

sleeping together and, you know, like,

15:35

I don't know. I thought that was all part of your plan

15:38

of like this romantic. And

15:41

I had no plan. I had never had a plan

15:43

in those days. We came

15:45

home and it all fell apart. So from

15:48

my perspective, you

15:50

know, we met on a blind date. We.

15:53

Oh, yeah. Blind for you. Blind

15:56

for me. Not you obviously were like,

15:58

you're going to go to. So.

15:59

mutual friends like, yeah, a couple of girls are going to come

16:02

meet us for dinner. And we, Lucy El adobe

16:04

restaurant, Mexican restaurant, you walked in with your girlfriend.

16:07

That was how we met. It was great. And you're

16:09

right. Like I was, I was busy. I didn't, you know,

16:11

I wasn't really on my radar

16:14

either, but like, I think

16:16

cause people always say how did, you know, 32

16:18

years is a long time. It's a long

16:20

time, particularly in, in this

16:22

business, it's like 132 years in show business. And you know,

16:26

people always

16:29

ask me, you know,

16:32

do I have any advice and you know,

16:34

do you hit it on the head for me? It's, it's

16:37

sort of the battle is won and lost with who

16:39

you choose. And

16:43

we were best friends. You were always

16:45

the person I wanted to be with hang

16:48

out with, share stuff with.

16:50

Um, and it was an

16:52

added bonus, all of the rest

16:55

of it. Um, that's so

16:57

sweet. And you know, so

16:59

here we are at 32 years in with, you

17:01

know, two boys and you know, and,

17:04

and

17:05

you know what? Well, I have to interrupt you. I want

17:07

to say that something, I just, I

17:09

get so afraid that I'm going to forget

17:12

you. The one thing I really

17:14

appreciate, I mean, one of many, but one

17:16

thing I appreciate that that's right here.

17:18

I gotta say is that you let me be me.

17:21

You don't

17:22

try to change me unless it's something that's like really maybe abrasive

17:25

or, and then that's a suggestion. Um,

17:29

you really let me do my thing.

17:31

Um, and I just

17:33

don't know if I could have been with any

17:35

other partner that would have

17:38

tried to impede in my path,

17:41

uh, spiritually, you know,

17:44

career wise,

17:45

physically, whatever,

17:48

all of it, you know, um, domestic, like, kids

17:50

and family and, you know, I mean, you just, you,

17:53

it's either you agreed with my, my

17:55

way naturally, or you just let me do it. And it was

17:57

just, it's just,

17:59

so much has been

18:02

a fun ride and it continues to be. Like

18:04

I don't think of it as the past was fun

18:06

and what's the future gonna be like everybody says.

18:09

It's like right in the moment, I mean, we're having fun. I

18:11

try not to overthink it.

18:13

Well, I appreciate

18:18

that because to me, one

18:21

of the reasons that I fell

18:24

in love with you is

18:26

all of your idiosyncrasies and

18:30

what you bring to the table. So

18:33

the no, I wouldn't wanna change any of that. That's what

18:35

I liked in the first place. Well, it's

18:36

not like you'd have the power to change it. It's what

18:38

I said is you didn't try to. I didn't mean that you

18:40

would have success because I am definitely my own

18:42

person.

18:43

For sure. So

18:48

the thing that I remember most about you is you would come

18:50

over to my house, we were just kind of casually

18:53

dating and you

18:56

would organize the house and design

18:59

it. Like the

19:01

coffee table books, you would stack

19:03

them in certain ways. You were flattered by

19:05

that, but that's just OCD. Now I

19:07

realize, now I know, knowing you

19:09

now, I know that's your OCD, that you can't walk

19:12

past a coffee table book that isn't at a perfect 90

19:14

degree angle, that that's

19:16

the way your crazy monkey brain works. I know that

19:18

now, but at the time I thought, oh man,

19:21

she really cares about me. Well, if you think I

19:23

have a crazy monkey brain, you should live with the crazy

19:25

monkey brain then.

19:26

Do you think I have a crazy monkey brain? No,

19:28

but I'm just saying, I'm not crazy.

19:30

No, no, no,

19:32

but you've got a lot.

19:35

I mean, I definitely think that your brain

19:37

could go to the Smithsonian

19:39

at some point and be put in a jar to be

19:41

examined. I mean, are we gonna be boring people?

19:43

I don't think that's boring. I mean, boring

19:46

people don't have their brains in the Smithsonian.

19:48

There are very few people that I think I'd like to see

19:50

what their brain is made of. You're one of them.

19:52

Well, it frees my brain then. I mean,

19:54

I just think there's nobody,

19:57

you have great work ethic, you've created

19:59

a bunch of companies. your jewelry,

20:01

your Cheryl Lowe designs jewelry.

20:04

Sick, I'm wearing your jewelry right now.

20:06

I love doing that. I'm going through

20:08

a bling phase because of you. Do you like my, you

20:11

like my bling?

20:12

Wait, you're not going through bling phase because

20:14

of me. I mean, yes, I've definitely helped

20:16

and aided and abetted. I'm

20:18

wearing a- Because you do have Mr. Lowe.

20:21

Mr. Lowe's the men's line. At

20:23

Cheryl Lowe Designs. Yes. And it's really

20:25

cool. And you do sketch

20:28

and you

20:28

do come up with ideas and you present it to the design

20:31

team. So I mean, give yourself more credit. I

20:33

didn't make you blinged out.

20:35

You inspired me. You inspired me. Totally blame

20:37

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22:22

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I think there's so many areas that couples

22:46

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22:49

if- Oh, can I also say this before

22:51

you get to kids? Yeah. You

22:53

are never boring. Well, thank

22:55

you. It can be complicated, but

22:58

you're never boring. All

23:00

my friends love you. At least

23:02

they tell me they do. Yeah, what are they gonna

23:04

say? Maria loves you. I

23:07

mean, what GP loves you? Yeah,

23:10

all the, so I'm not boring. Yeah,

23:13

you wouldn't suffer a boring person. Okay.

23:16

And same, same with the same, same.

23:18

I mean, I would try with a boring person to

23:20

help them find their clown. Not

23:25

that I'm any great

23:27

shakes at that, but I mean, you know, I would help. And if

23:30

it was a lost cause, yeah,

23:31

no, I couldn't do it. Well,

23:34

that's a wonderful compliment. Better

23:37

be funny here or I'm leaving. No, no,

23:39

no, no, I actually wanna, so

23:42

what I was gonna say about kids is, I

23:46

think that if the worst, what

23:49

I always liked about you is you had, your worldview

23:51

was so interesting and unique and

23:53

I agreed with it.

23:55

And I still do. Like,

23:56

I feel like nine

23:58

and a half times. of 10. If

24:02

an issue comes up, your point of view

24:04

is going to be not only what I agree with,

24:06

but what I might not have been able

24:09

to articulate or think of on my own.

24:12

And when it comes to raising kids, I've

24:14

seen if you

24:16

don't have the same worldview as

24:17

co-parents,

24:20

it can be really, really complicated.

24:22

Because let's face it, you remember our boys, when they were teenagers,

24:25

how they would just

24:26

divide and conquer. They're relentless. They're

24:29

relentless trying to get what they want.

24:31

I'm so glad they're not doing that anymore, but our dogs

24:33

are now. Well, I know. I mean, we've

24:36

replaced, it is the same.

24:38

And we're such an old couple now. It's like, those

24:41

little dogs are like our boys. This

24:43

is supposed to be fun. It does

24:45

make it depressing, talking about being an old couple. So

24:50

with the boys, I

24:53

think you remain a great

24:55

mom because you're super hands-on.

24:57

You maybe have

25:00

a little helicopter mom in you, for

25:02

sure. But

25:07

that's an area where I let you do your thing. Like you said,

25:09

if I had it my way, would

25:13

there be less of it? Yeah. I'm sure there are things that I

25:15

do that, and you just

25:17

cut me, we cut each other that kind of slack.

25:19

And I think that's really,

25:21

really important because it's very,

25:24

very tough to navigate child raising if you don't

25:26

have the same world. Remember when we went to the,

25:29

here's a perfect example. We were looking at

25:31

schools for the kids and

25:33

we went to one school and it was

25:35

a school everybody tried to get their kids in. It was

25:37

like a big deal and we were super happy to- Well,

25:40

cut to, we were rejected, but yeah. That's not my memory

25:42

of it. My memory of it was

25:45

before that happened, I saw

25:48

that the kids were

25:53

skateboarding in the hallways, the

25:56

teachers were wearing shorts,

25:59

and the kids were calling the teachers by the first names.

26:02

Right. And I was out. I was out.

26:04

And, you know, also give the school a little credit. They're extremely

26:06

academic. A lot of great kids came out of there. Nobody

26:09

knows what school we're talking about. I know, but I'm just saying. I

26:12

know, and I want you to know

26:13

that. But my point is you were

26:14

also out. You

26:18

didn't go, oh no, but I think it's great that they

26:20

call the teachers by the first names because it creates

26:22

a sense of, you were like, yeah, no, no,

26:24

this is not for us. Right. Well, Matthew

26:26

did the interview, and he stuck

26:28

a shark's tooth in

26:30

the woman that was interviewing

26:33

him's ear. So it wasn't like you

26:35

and I had to make any decision. It was made then. For

26:37

sure. Matthew screwed his own academic

26:40

future up. Or he planned it well. Yeah.

26:43

He knew it wasn't for him. That's right. But

26:46

there are other, you know,

26:49

you're very aspirational. You

26:52

inspire me to

26:53

go to new heights. And

26:56

here's the other thing I also want to say about

26:58

a long marriage.

27:03

We're lucky enough to have role

27:05

models in that area.

27:07

It's how you navigate

27:10

the times, the

27:13

fallow times, the times where there are disagreements,

27:15

the times where there's tougher issues. Because

27:18

I would hate for people to come away from this

27:21

to just think, oh, it's all just

27:24

unicorns and rainbows. And

27:26

it's a lot

27:27

of work. And

27:29

that's not a bad thing. Some people's ears can

27:32

hear that as like, oh,

27:34

work. It

27:36

requires commitment and

27:37

work and. All good things come with hard

27:39

work. Yeah. But

27:42

I want

27:43

maybe just my perception.

27:46

But there was a time where I could look at a long

27:48

partnership and think, oh, well, it's just a perfect

27:50

partnership. And they just, it's just all

27:53

easy peasy. And I

27:56

think people bail today. way

28:00

quicker than they should.

28:02

And I think it's a societal thing. I think

28:04

my grandparents,

28:07

your grandparents were married until they died, right?

28:09

Grandparents, okay, same. So

28:13

just think about this. Your grandparents, married

28:15

to the day they died. My grandparents, married to the day they

28:17

died. People listening, probably

28:20

the same for you.

28:22

Our parents,

28:24

both my parents were married three times.

28:26

Three, what

28:27

about you? No, I

28:29

mean, you know, listen, I come from a very colorful

28:32

past. My mother

28:35

was married, I don't know, five times. God only

28:37

knows. My dad once, to my

28:40

mother, which for him was

28:42

a lifetime of marriages. So something

28:45

happened in our society.

28:47

Something happened in our society where it

28:50

became much more acceptable

28:52

and easier to

28:54

bail. What was it like the freedom

28:56

of the 60s and 70s? I

28:59

mean, that was really big changes. Think

29:01

about it.

29:02

For sure. And then bring in the 80s.

29:05

I mean, you're talking 30 years

29:07

of just bedlam.

29:10

Great bedlam. Yeah, but

29:12

my point is that. Yeah,

29:15

get to it. My

29:19

point is that, what

29:21

is my point? I need food, my blood

29:23

sugars. Your point is that, you

29:26

know, role models and, you

29:29

know, what.

29:30

Yeah, okay, thank you. You've got to put me back on

29:32

track. That they're,

29:33

you know, I know that my parents,

29:36

when things got tough,

29:37

they didn't have the tools.

29:40

They didn't have the wherewithal

29:42

and probably didn't have the want to

29:45

work and they bailed.

29:46

Time

29:48

out, like, I'm not going to get into the heads

29:50

of your parents nor anybody else's marriage that

29:53

doesn't work out, you know, awareness,

29:55

integrity, authenticity, those

29:57

things I've learned in therapy make a huge difference.

30:00

difference and our marriage is what

30:02

I can talk about.

30:03

So if people want to use us as

30:05

goals, it's because we stay current, we

30:07

work really hard on it, we bring

30:10

therapy in when we need it, you know, and some

30:12

people might roll their eyes at that and I don't care.

30:15

Like it's what works for us. We've

30:17

been through hiccups

30:19

and we find each other through it

30:21

by being willing to roll up our sleeves

30:24

and do the work. And

30:26

with expectations of

30:28

that the other person is doing the same amount of work called

30:31

balance and

30:33

supportive friendships

30:36

that are there for us, don't judge

30:39

us. And

30:41

all the while

30:43

focusing on the wellbeing of

30:45

our two sons and as

30:48

a family unit, thinking of that first

30:50

always. So I don't know,

30:53

and I don't care really what our parents did. I

30:55

just care about what we're doing and I

30:58

do care that

30:59

there are people that might look at us and say,

31:01

oh, I want to do that, you know, because

31:04

like great if we could be a part of that, some

31:06

positive reinforcement, some happiness

31:09

and some love, you know, in

31:11

a time in which there needs to be so much love

31:13

spread. And

31:16

I love that you brought up like, well,

31:18

what is our secret? There is no secret, the secret's

31:21

out. Here it is for those listening to this podcast.

31:23

It's like, just work. And

31:25

it might not work out, but

31:28

the best thing about it is you tried.

31:31

And it's like, go easier on ourselves. So

31:33

if it means two people got together

31:36

and in the long run, Rob, it wasn't really

31:38

the

31:39

union forever, like

31:41

maybe that other person's out there for them. Like it's

31:44

not the end of the world. I mean, it's

31:46

not the greatest thing either, I get it. So

31:49

I kind of, I just have a little bit of a different

31:51

attitude, it seems, than you in this situation.

31:55

This thing called love and marriage and union

31:58

partnership, you know, I mean.

31:59

It starts right with picking well,

32:02

but like what if you didn't like forgive

32:04

yourself, you know?

32:06

See this is what I'm saying. You guys just witnessed it.

32:08

That's that's a Cheryl Lowe

32:10

classic like I can't

32:12

That was not my point of view you heard mine

32:15

then you heard hers and now I'm like, you know what? She's right. I

32:18

just She's right Forget

32:21

what I said and also like

32:23

I have some fun, you know, I mean

32:25

it's like I weigh things

32:28

out I do the scale the emotional

32:30

scale and You

32:33

know, I do the work and then I want

32:35

some relief. I want some fun as well

32:38

That's it. But I look at that

32:40

my hope

32:42

my prayers and you know, it's

32:45

for my sons I For

32:48

some reason there's a little bit of a double standard Like I

32:50

if I have to look back on this my awareness as

32:52

a parent as a mother

32:55

is that I? Don't cut them

32:57

the same slack, you know, I'll meet

32:59

one of their partners. I'm like, oh that's not right

33:02

We're so not my place to do. I

33:05

Know but that's what mothers did. Now, you know what?

33:07

My mother was going through. Yeah, totally

33:09

I think is it I wonder if it's a mom thought I really

33:12

do. I just wonder if that's I

33:13

Don't know if moms are super rough

33:16

on the girlfriends

33:18

No, I have a friend who's not rough on any

33:20

of the girlfriends. She really isn't well

33:22

there's always gonna be the outlier, but I wonder

33:25

if like well, she's kind of a role model for me,

33:27

but I but I wonder if And

33:31

I don't know cuz that's another good point It's like,

33:33

you know for

33:34

males and females here both genders like find

33:37

a role model that you were talking about earlier So let's

33:39

get right back to that. Yeah, it is

33:41

nice to look at somebody even though you're

33:43

kind of comparing yourself to their outsides

33:46

So what if their outsides look good to you and

33:48

that could be a role model then, you know

33:51

goals goals I love that part

33:53

too. I just wanted to say hashtag goals hashtag

33:55

goals

33:57

But as a mother Yeah, and you

33:59

were saying to circle

34:01

back to, yeah, a helicopter mom,

34:03

I did all those things because I had a mom who was

34:06

total hippie,

34:07

and parenting for

34:10

her was being a best friend.

34:12

And that meant not a lot of discipline

34:14

unless she was in a bad mood, or we absolutely did

34:18

something to really bug her.

34:21

But it was mostly like, freedom,

34:23

do what you want. There's no curfew, and

34:26

I feel like I'm not gonna

34:28

get too deep into that, but

34:31

I wanted

34:32

some disciplines to feel safe

34:34

and secure, and I didn't have that. And

34:36

so I overcompensated with my sons.

34:39

Had I been more aware

34:41

of what was going on

34:45

internally with me, I could

34:47

have prevented

34:49

some things going on, but it's all meant

34:51

to be, and so I'm doing it now, it's never too late,

34:53

and I have a great relationship with my sons, and

34:55

so do you, because we're

34:57

doing that very thing, staying current,

35:00

focusing on awareness, and then making

35:02

changes and adjustments,

35:04

and they see that, and also just being honest with

35:06

them. Well,

35:07

and that's the other thing about

35:10

raising kids, discipline is a big

35:13

thing, and how people discipline. Your mom didn't

35:15

believe in it. I see parents all the

35:17

time that don't really believe in it.

35:19

We did, and we

35:21

were lucky that we found each other, because

35:23

can you imagine what that would have been like

35:26

if one of us believed in discipline, and it was

35:27

like, yeah, let them find themselves.

35:30

I don't want to break their spirits or whatever, and

35:32

they're running amok. Again, I'm not

35:34

gonna judge other parents for what they say. Was that

35:36

judgy? Yeah, you're being judgy. And I know exactly

35:39

when you use those little catch phrases that

35:41

you tend to do, who you mean, or

35:43

who, several that you mean as a group

35:45

of them. But I'm just gonna

35:47

say, look,

35:48

our kids are not, they're not kids, our

35:51

men, are so cool. I

35:53

love them to pieces, I'm really proud of them. They're

35:57

a product of both of us. They have so

35:59

much.

35:59

of both of us in them and themselves.

36:02

They're like this completely cool different

36:04

people than we are. And

36:08

it's all good, you know?

36:11

And there's been times where it hasn't been, but

36:13

we've really been there. That's the key. Like

36:16

be there for your kids,

36:17

be there for them.

36:18

Show up and show up and show

36:20

up and show up.

36:23

And- I would say

36:25

it's like an annuity. It's like a whatever, it's a

36:27

401k.

36:28

The more you put in, the more

36:30

you're going to get out. Completely agree with you.

36:33

And-

36:34

And our discipline, Rob, our

36:37

discipline was, you're right, I kind

36:39

of like to think of everything in decades. Our discipline

36:41

was kind of 1950s discipline. You know,

36:43

we were strict. Yes, we were strict.

36:48

Like our kids say that their

36:50

friends

36:51

say that we

36:53

were the most fun parents to hang

36:56

out with, but by far

36:59

the strictest. Yeah, I

37:01

just think of those parents that were always worried because their

37:03

kids would come to our house to hang. Not

37:06

knowing how strict, how we ran it

37:08

like- How they just didn't get it. We ran it like a gulag.

37:10

Yeah, I mean, we did the best we could and it was

37:12

pretty darn good. I mean, we stayed home, we

37:15

spied. Yeah,

37:17

we didn't believe in freedom. The

37:20

Bill of Rights was not written for teenagers.

37:23

I'm sorry. You want your

37:25

Bill of Rights, you can get that when you're 18.

37:26

Well, the smartest thing you did for this family,

37:29

A, was marry me. That's true. B,

37:32

move us out of LA.

37:33

Yeah, that's true. Hey man, you

37:36

are such a forward forecasting,

37:38

incredible thinker on that. I was like, wait,

37:40

what?

37:42

Oh God, Rob. Can you imagine? You.

37:45

You're welcome. I did, every once in a while I'll have

37:47

a vision. I thought, why does this guy want to sequester

37:50

me away while he's like down in LA? And

37:52

then I realized that's my own,

37:55

you know, negative flop process. I knew,

37:57

I'll never forget the moment I had the video.

37:59

the epiphany was we had had

38:02

Matthew, our youngest, he was really,

38:04

really, like three months, maybe four

38:07

months. So young and somebody

38:09

told me, we should start thinking

38:11

about preschools. I'm like, preschool? The

38:14

guy's breastfeeding. And

38:17

we think about preschools and go, oh yeah, this is LA. And

38:19

you know, there's a list and there's a waiting list. And

38:21

I, my head just started to spin. I'm

38:24

like, all right, I'll guess I'll start thinking

38:26

about preschool and like, well, you know,

38:28

you need to, the person you need to talk

38:31

to is your agent, Mike

38:33

Ovets.

38:35

And I said, I think, wait a minute,

38:36

I've got to talk, I had to wait in

38:38

a waiting list for preschool

38:41

for years on end. And to do

38:43

it, I've got to talk to my agent,

38:46

Mike Ovets. I'm out of here.

38:48

I'm gone. I'm leaving the city. I

38:50

will not, I want, I quit. I don't

38:53

think you

38:53

shared that with me. I vote with my

38:55

feet. Goodbye. I would have asked Mike

38:57

Ovets. There's nothing against Mike Ovets. But

39:00

like, it made

39:02

me realize what the future, the future would

39:04

be. Me coaching

39:07

Little League with like the, taking

39:10

the, telling the president of ABC's

39:13

kid that

39:14

he's not playing shortstop.

39:17

And our kids being raised,

39:21

there's no escape from

39:23

my business. And that

39:25

I couldn't. I just, I think

39:27

that's the key right there is what

39:30

you said. I mean, you know, raising your kids

39:32

where every single kid is the

39:35

same, has the same background, same story,

39:37

similar, I should say, you know, by the

39:40

way, by the way, it works for a lot of people.

39:41

I was gonna say, there's nothing wrong with it. And it's

39:44

different and different. If you go to Washington, DC,

39:46

everybody's in politics. So

39:48

there are company towns. You go

39:50

to New York and everybody's, you know, it's all finance

39:52

and art. But

39:54

there's like,

39:56

there's so many layers and

39:59

we wanted a new.

39:59

layer. That's all you need to say is like you

40:02

wanted to bring some texture

40:04

and you wanted

40:07

your kids to go to school with all different kinds

40:09

of

40:10

parental backgrounds.

40:13

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40:17

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Well, you weren't. They still, they still. There

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What is that phrase, back on like Donkey

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Donkey Kong is like just that game that's just.

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I hate it. Sorry, I didn't mean to say that word. I

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to literally, you know me.

43:50

You know me, you know what I'm interested in, you know what I'm not interested

43:52

in. Well, I know you about this, buddy. I have not

43:55

got my anniversary card.

43:58

Okay, so here's. full

44:01

disclosure.

44:04

I have three cards sitting on my desk. Cool.

44:07

And I can't,

44:09

one of them came from our card drawer. They

44:12

come from our card drawer. We collect them and have them ready to go. One

44:14

strike. And I opened

44:16

one of them,

44:17

and it's already an anniversary

44:19

card to you from nine

44:22

years ago. Why

44:26

it's in there? I don't know. Strike two? No,

44:28

no. What I'm thinking is I want

44:30

to do a comparison. I want to write

44:33

what I feel now.

44:35

And then next to it is what I, I guess I

44:37

must have written and not given to you or change and

44:40

just see how they compare. More like people we

44:42

know and work with us put it back in a spot where

44:46

thinking it wasn't anything in it. Well,

44:49

that may be true, but my point being is here's

44:51

this little time capsule of

44:53

how I felt. Oh my God, you are totally bullshitting me

44:55

right now. Am I? Yes, I could

44:57

see it or feel it or hear

44:59

it. Okay. You're scrambling.

45:02

You've been too busy preoccupying, wanting

45:04

to sleep, eat, surf,

45:06

stand up paddle, swim,

45:09

work out, watch

45:12

the Dodgers, which I can't blame you. First of all, hang out with

45:14

your dogs. I'm on strike. Stock your sons.

45:17

I can't work. I'm on strike. This is

45:19

the only thing that they'll let me do. So

45:21

I got to do something.

45:23

That's right. Let me just turn

45:25

about his fair play.

45:27

What's good for the geese is good for the gander,

45:29

as my mother used to say.

45:30

I gave you a present with a little card

45:32

in it as a. You had a card in your present.

45:34

Same exact card, same little square

45:36

card. No, I didn't.

45:38

Yes, you did. 100% you did. Uh-uh.

45:40

I got flowers with a sweet card,

45:42

but I didn't and there was nothing else I got. Okay, it was in the

45:44

flowers. Well, that doesn't count. You had

45:46

your assisted call up and you, you

45:48

just literally said, this is what I wanted to

45:50

say. Uh,

45:54

okay. Like, where's the effort of writing

45:57

out the card? Anyway, it's too late now. for

46:00

that card. You can make it up in other ways. Well,

46:03

can I plan to? Don't

46:05

be asking for date night. But, okay.

46:08

So. No kidding. All

46:10

right, the card is coming. The

46:13

card is coming.

46:14

See y'all, this is what I'm saying. It

46:16

never ends.

46:18

It never ends. I've

46:20

written 32 of these cards.

46:23

I plan on writing 32 more.

46:25

No, no, no, you've written 31. I

46:27

didn't get 32. I've never been good at math.

46:30

It's never been my strong suit. Ever.

46:33

Strike. Two and a half. We're not gonna

46:35

do strike three. What is

46:38

your favorite Rob Lowe movie? Oh,

46:41

my favorite Rob Lowe movie. Four

46:43

TV show. My favorite

46:45

Rob Lowe movie is Risky

46:48

Business. Thank you. My

46:51

favorite Rob Lowe movie, hold on, hold on. Gosh,

46:56

I'm gonna, I loved Masquerade.

47:00

I really did. I love About Last Night.

47:02

Yeah, those are good ones. I know I'm

47:04

not supposed to give two, but I

47:07

mean, you know, again, for me, it's

47:09

like

47:10

hard to pick one movie because you've done,

47:12

you've

47:13

created these characters and some of these movies that are just

47:16

unbelievably seamless that I just love. Thank

47:18

you. You know, where it really took me outside of

47:21

knowing you so well. And The Grinder, I mean, I

47:23

love that guy.

47:24

Love. Grinder. Yeah, I love Bad

47:26

Influence. I never hear people

47:29

really. You worked on Bad Influence. I don't know, Cheryl, you

47:31

did my makeup on Bad Influence. Again, one

47:33

of the reasons I fell in love with you was,

47:35

obviously by the time I had done Bad

47:38

Influence, I'd done

47:39

countless, countless, countless movies and TV shows

47:41

and had worked with countless makeup artists.

47:44

And I sat in your chair and

47:46

you looked at me like, okay,

47:49

what do you want this character to be and

47:51

how do you wanna go about it? And

47:53

no one had ever asked me that. They

47:56

just, you know, I just sat in a chair and they just put

47:59

whatever they wanted. to do on my face

48:00

and. Well, I think that has to do with the fact

48:02

that people were maybe

48:05

overwhelmed, I'm just guessing now, overwhelmed

48:07

by your strikingly good looks. And

48:11

so they didn't see how you could be any

48:13

other character with their makeup. I don't

48:15

know. I mean, I just never saw you as that guy.

48:19

I was thinking,

48:20

okay, here's the script, this character. You

48:22

saw me as the guy with the earring.

48:24

Well, okay. All

48:27

right. And the Elton John glasses. Should

48:29

we establish early or the podcast? Yeah, exactly.

48:32

I just remember seeing like every cute girl

48:35

at a club wearing one of your jackets, they

48:37

stole from you. Yeah, I lost a

48:39

lot of jackets. So I mean, my point

48:41

being is when I looked at that script or any script,

48:44

I thought of the character, not

48:46

the person. And like, how do I take this person

48:48

with their guidance, this actor's guidance

48:52

to this character? I mean, there's so

48:54

many layers to a performance

48:57

and I'd been used to working with actors,

49:00

male and female, that

49:02

really took it seriously

49:05

in the sense of

49:07

every department

49:08

helping create this person they

49:10

were creating. And so my professionalism

49:13

is what came first. You

49:16

were, until I forced

49:19

you into retirement, one of the few times I put

49:21

my foot down, I think you

49:25

were working, I think it was with Keith, working

49:27

with Kiefer Sutherland.

49:29

Oh, I love. Yeah, you're pregnant with Matthew.

49:32

And there was like, I remember coming to visit you on the set

49:34

and there was a sign that said,

49:36

hazardous material. No, no, no, that's

49:39

a wrong movie. You

49:41

know, whatever movie it was. I was working with Keith

49:43

on a movie

49:45

in Washington and it was all

49:47

nights and it was pouring rain. And I came home

49:49

all muddy at like six in the morning

49:51

from a night shoot. And you came to visit me on the set.

49:54

I mean, sorry, up in Seattle, you of course wouldn't

49:56

come to the set. Well, why would you? It was all in the mud and

49:58

it didn't make sense.

49:59

And I came home at like six

50:02

in the morning, which probably bothered you that, you know, I didn't get there

50:04

at night to keep you company. And

50:07

I was just covered in mud and frustrated

50:10

with the person I was working with in my

50:13

department

50:14

and complaining about it kind of crying maybe. And

50:18

you were like, that's it. And

50:20

also like maybe hanging around Kiefer too much in

50:23

his trailer is my best friend.

50:25

It wasn't that, it was just time for you

50:27

to move

50:28

on. And then I said, one more movie I'm

50:30

committed to with Gregory Hines. And

50:33

I was on that movie and we were shooting

50:35

in El Segundo and those plants

50:37

down there, whatever they are. And

50:40

I was pregnant with Matthew and it said on the sign,

50:42

you know, if pregnant, if pregnant,

50:45

by the way, like that's a new word I just made up. Pregnant.

50:47

If pregnant, you know, enter

50:50

at your own risk, something like that. I

50:52

mean, I love making the sign a little

50:54

worse right now in this story. But it was basically, it's

50:56

what it was. But I didn't go in there. I

50:58

had somebody working in my department who had

51:00

volunteered to, obviously

51:01

it wasn't hazardous to people that weren't pregnant.

51:03

Anyway, my point. It was hazardous to everyone. Land

51:06

the plane, Cheryl. Jeez, anyway,

51:08

yeah, you made me, you didn't make me

51:10

quit.

51:11

You politely suggested and

51:14

made it worth

51:16

my while to quit, which is I'll spend more time

51:18

with you and we'll do this. And then you

51:20

came up with all fun activity. You were so cool like that.

51:22

You came up with like, this is what we'll do. I mean,

51:24

listen, you were the, I mean, you

51:27

were the go-to makeup

51:29

artist for male leading men. I

51:32

mean, I was one of very few.

51:34

Al Pacino, Brad Pitt. I

51:37

did reshoots for Brad Pitt, yeah. And

51:40

on and on. I mean, your Al

51:43

Pacino, Glengarry Glen Ross,

51:45

I came to visit you on Glengarry

51:47

Glen Ross when you were doing Al

51:49

and just happened.

51:52

The two days that I came to visit you

51:54

was Alec doing

51:57

the famous opening, always,

52:00

Always be closing.

52:02

And I got to watch Alec, who I love, he's

52:04

been on the show,

52:05

do arguably one of the greatest

52:08

speeches of all time. You

52:10

should have Al Pacino, sorry, let me acknowledge

52:13

that. I was so grateful you came

52:15

to visit me and you got to watch

52:17

these incredible actors perform.

52:20

Working with Al Pacino was such a treat for me

52:23

because he was the nicest person

52:26

off camera and

52:27

so available. Just

52:30

beyond such a great experience, that

52:33

will always

52:35

be a great part of my memories. And

52:37

he was just so always interested

52:39

in the

52:41

look and

52:43

creating something new and cool. So it was

52:46

always a stretch for me, which I really needed

52:48

and loved. And

52:50

he was just great to work with all the way

52:52

around. Super fun.

52:53

What was his, tell the people what his advice

52:56

was. Oh, I can't, I'm no way,

52:58

no how. I'm gonna do it, well if you're

53:00

not good, I'm gonna do it. Cause you're gonna do an exaggerated

53:02

actor version of it. Well then you better do it. I

53:05

think he's- What was his, what was Al? His

53:07

advice was people that are married. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

53:09

no, no, no. Let me set it up. You

53:13

told Al that

53:15

we were gonna get married

53:17

and his advice was.

53:19

Seems like a really nice guy, good actor,

53:23

but you shouldn't live with him.

53:26

Guy should live separate. If I could give you any piece

53:28

of advice, don't live with him. And especially

53:30

while we're working together.

53:32

Don't, you know. And by the way, he was

53:34

always professional with me. So this was not

53:37

like any agenda of his. No, no, he's always

53:39

been the best. But I love, don't

53:42

live with him. How

53:44

could, is that even, can

53:47

anybody pull that off? He was just maybe having a day. I

53:50

love that. I love that. He's

53:53

the best. And would never fly.

53:56

You don't even like it when I go to sleep in a separate bed

53:59

if I have to get up really early. in the morning. I don't like

54:01

that. I know you don't. I know, but

54:03

I also don't like that you smoke cigars before you go

54:05

to bed. I

54:08

very rarely smoke cigars before

54:10

I go to bed.

54:12

But when I do, I know that you

54:14

don't like it. That might be

54:16

the case. That's the other thing, and we'll

54:18

finish with this. Everything in moderation, right? Well,

54:20

you have to pick the hill you want to die on. Amen.

54:24

That's really... I don't want this to be over.

54:26

There are so many things I want to tell about you. Like

54:28

what? This is your moment. Really? Why are

54:30

you holding your heart right now?

54:33

I was actually just

54:35

checking. I don't know. Maybe... What would that mean, subliminally?

54:39

I'm massaging my heart. I don't know.

54:42

Were you worried I was having an issue? No. No.

54:45

I know how healthy you are. Tell

54:47

me what you want to say. You

54:50

can close this out any way you want. Oh, no.

54:52

You could close it. Don't you have anything else

54:54

that you want to bother me about? I don't

54:57

like to interview people, really. I like to... I thought you were going to

54:59

call the boys. I mean, can't you get... Do you have your phone?

55:03

Hold on. Give me a second here. I

55:07

really want to do this right. Oh.

55:11

Alrighty. Oh, yeah, baby.

55:15

What are you doing? I'm looking for our

55:17

son's new phone number. Here we go. He'll

55:20

pick up. Which

55:32

boy is this? Johnny? Matthew.

55:36

It's Matthew. He won't. He's working. Okay.

55:40

Well, you try Johnny because he might think it's something to

55:42

do with Unstable, which is... Oh! That's

55:44

my favorite show. Yay. You

55:47

love Unstable. How could Unstable

55:48

not be your favorite show? Your husband and your son? Okay.

55:50

First of all, that character

55:53

is... Elistragon is become

55:56

now my favorite character of yours. Because

55:58

you're back to dancing. and

56:01

your hair is all crazy in it and

56:03

it's your best performance you

56:05

are. I love when you go really large. I

56:08

know you do. You're always trying

56:11

to encourage me to swing

56:13

bigger. Okay, I'm gonna do Johnny here. I am encouraging

56:15

you to swing bigger, come on. You should and listen,

56:17

that's, I- You only got so many breaths

56:20

in life, you know? Swing for the, what

56:22

do they say? Swing for the fences. There you go. All

56:24

right, let's do Johnny. Let's do

56:26

my co-star and unstable. Well, put it up to the microphone

56:28

so we can all hear. If you haven't seen unstable. Honey,

56:31

no point in putting it to your ear. You have headphones on.

56:33

How's that? That's better,

56:35

right? Hello?

56:41

Oh, you picked up, I'm so happy. What's

56:46

up, sucker? I'm

56:49

just hanging with your mom. What

56:51

are you doing? I was about to tell her I was

56:53

gonna answer her call and then I was on the phone,

56:55

but I saw you call, so I was like, all right, I figured this

56:57

was, I'm not picking favorites. But

56:59

you did. You kind of did

57:02

pick a favorite. That's not

57:04

how it works, though. If you had called

57:06

first and then mom, I would have been hurt, no call

57:09

answer. Oh.

57:09

And why is that, I don't understand.

57:11

Because I assume it's important

57:13

when I get the double call. It's

57:16

not important, though. We both just miss you. How's

57:19

Oscar? How's our dog? Your dog, our

57:21

dog. Oscar's the best, he's

57:23

good. I mean, he had one accident

57:26

this weekend. I gotta teach

57:28

him, he's got this one spot.

57:30

You know when they pee on one spot, then they

57:32

think that's a spot? Yes, you do. Oh

57:34

no, John, only peed in your bedroom.

57:37

It's totally cleanable

57:40

and I've got it figured out, but other than that,

57:42

he has been picture perfect.

57:45

When you say you got it figured out and it's cleanable,

57:47

I have, you would be, now, you could actually

57:50

maybe be super, super, super well

57:52

off with a company. I haven't figured out because I already

57:54

spoke to my rug guy. He's got to

57:56

let me just be in a double this and not

57:58

stress and try to make it.

57:59

manage. Your

58:02

mom is losing her mind.

58:04

This is like her OCD is

58:08

like her head is popping off. I

58:11

challenge you mom to just let me handle

58:13

this. Okay,

58:16

it's gonna be challenging. I had an accident

58:18

on a road that these things happen. No

58:21

dog has ever been perfect. You can walk them

58:24

a hundred times a day, you know. All

58:26

right, well, up in Santa Barbara, it doesn't go to the bathroom

58:28

in the house. All right, okay, the two, I'll

58:30

check. Wait, hold on. What is his ears?

58:34

His ears is fine. It's better. It was one day

58:37

he had it. I can still go get

58:39

it checked out, but he seems totally fine. I took him on

58:41

a walk today. He's

58:44

great and everybody's obsessed with him. I took him to the

58:46

farmers market yesterday and he

58:48

gets like so much attention.

58:50

Oh, he's a good Oscar.

58:52

What's your plans for this week? You coming

58:54

to visit us soon? And. Are

58:59

you coming to visit us soon? As

59:02

well, potentially. I have

59:07

some surf this week. But

59:14

I'm just chilling for

59:16

the most part. Hold on. Dad wants to tell

59:18

you something. So we've

59:21

been doing the podcast. So you've just been on the podcast.

59:24

You've been live on the podcast. I think you've acquitted

59:26

yourself. Well, you seem like a really good son. Did

59:29

you do like a competition? Is that what it was?

59:31

No, the other competition was Matthew just

59:33

didn't pick up. Oh,

59:36

great. And you're live. Oh,

59:39

my God. I hate this.

59:42

Oh, no, you don't. You

59:45

were great. Hey, why aren't you on the picket line? Why

59:47

don't you call my agent next time? You're going to be on the

59:50

podcast. What are you? Why don't you get on the picket line?

59:54

I'm tired already. All

59:56

right. All right. Love you. I'll call you later. Bye.

1:00:00

All right. And with that, that is enough of this

1:00:02

family. Thank you all

1:00:04

for listening. Lovebug, I can't believe

1:00:06

you came here. I'm so excited. When you

1:00:09

walked in the studio, my life was like, ahh.

1:00:10

Oh, this was so much

1:00:12

fun. I thought you were gonna. You thought

1:00:14

it was gonna be rough on you? No, not rough

1:00:17

on me, but you know, expose more of my secrets

1:00:19

like you always do every single talk

1:00:21

show and ooh, you know, the Lovebug,

1:00:24

this, that, and the other. And my friends

1:00:25

are like, ooh. I know. Well,

1:00:27

because you're here, I'm scared. The

1:00:30

minute you leave, believe me. Better be scared. Tune

1:00:32

in next week. Tune in. I still

1:00:35

talk about my. Thank you for all your inner beauty, Rob.

1:00:37

Thank you for your fun. Thank you for your laughter. Thank

1:00:39

you for being supportive. Thank

1:00:41

you for your kindness. And

1:00:45

for most of the

1:00:47

time being gentle. Thank

1:00:50

you. Thank you for making me who

1:00:52

I am. And thank you for loving my, the

1:00:55

food I cook for you, the meals I make you. Your

1:00:57

great cook. Bring

1:01:00

that up here. Among other things. I

1:01:02

love you deeply. Thank you for coming on the show. Bye

1:01:04

y'all.

1:01:05

Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

1:01:09

Bye. Bye. Bye. First

1:01:12

time having a family member on, I hope

1:01:14

it was as fun for you

1:01:16

as it was for me. I was

1:01:18

very nervous. I was more nervous having Cheryl

1:01:21

Lowe on

1:01:22

than any other guest. And we've had some

1:01:24

great guests, as you know. And we made

1:01:26

it. We got through it. All right. In no

1:01:28

time it is.

1:01:29

You got questions. I got answers. Let's hit the

1:01:31

lowdown line.

1:01:36

Hello. You've reached literally in

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our lowdown line where

1:01:41

you can get the lowdown on all

1:01:43

things about me. Rob Lowe. 323-570-4551. So

1:01:52

have at it. Here's the beep. Hey

1:01:54

Rob, this is Denise from close to

1:01:57

your hometown for Cincinnati, Ohio.

1:02:00

Just curious, it sounds like you're a huge

1:02:02

family man and I appreciate

1:02:05

that a lot. I've been a fan of yours forever. I

1:02:09

just got back from our family vacation and just

1:02:11

curious, what has been your

1:02:13

favorite family vacation and why? Also,

1:02:18

have you had any family vacation disasters?

1:02:21

Thank you. What

1:02:24

a great question.

1:02:26

I know that when

1:02:29

people talk about when were you at your most happy, and

1:02:32

by the way, I think I'm always going to be in happy

1:02:34

places. I don't think that there was a time and then it passed

1:02:36

and whatever, but one

1:02:39

family vacation is always a time I remember

1:02:41

that I was never happier and I'd been

1:02:44

shooting on location for a month. It was

1:02:46

the longest I'd ever been away from my wife and the

1:02:48

kids and we reunited in Bora Bora,

1:02:51

which

1:02:51

I think is the most beautiful place

1:02:54

on the planet. And

1:02:57

the boys had made signs holding

1:02:59

them up at the dock when my little boat

1:03:01

pulled up and they were super little.

1:03:05

Family vacations are my favorite thing. In fact,

1:03:09

my wife and I don't take a vacation where

1:03:11

we don't invite

1:03:13

them, the boys. And

1:03:15

now they're grown men. So they kind of sometimes they want

1:03:17

to go. A lot of times they roll their eyes. I know I

1:03:19

never wanted to vacation with my

1:03:21

parents ever at their ages.

1:03:25

When I was the age of my kids, there

1:03:27

was no way in hell

1:03:29

I

1:03:30

would ever want to vacation with my

1:03:32

parents. But God bless them every

1:03:34

once in a while, they'll do it. And a

1:03:36

vacation doesn't feel like a vacation to me unless

1:03:39

they're with us.

1:03:42

The biggest disaster was

1:03:45

when our camp in Africa

1:03:48

was charged

1:03:50

by lions and

1:03:53

they broke into the tent where

1:03:55

the food was served

1:03:57

and ruckused everything.

1:03:59

my youngest son, John

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Owen, hid in the bathtub as

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if that would

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make any difference if a lion wanted to get into

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the tent.

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That was definitely super radical.

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But that's what you go to Africa for.

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At least when you're traveling with the lows, because my

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thing is, if I'm going to Africa,

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I want to fuck with some lions. You

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know, it's like, I don't want to go and be

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at a four star resort

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overlooking the Savannah

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and then get out on a bus and see it. Like

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I want to take my

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life into my own hands when I go pee in the middle

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of the night. Like that's the way we roll

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is the lows.

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And we got our wish. So that definitely

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I think is the topper. Anyway, thanks for

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the question. And thank you for listening. And I will

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see you next week on

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Literally.

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You've

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been listening to Literally with Rob Lowe,

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produced by me, Nick Liao, with

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help from associate producer Sarah Begar, researched

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by Alyssa Graul. The podcast is executive

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Stacks, Jeff Ross and myself at Team Coco,

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and Colin Anderson at Stitcher, booking by Deirdre

1:05:11

Dodd, music by Devin Bryant. Thanks

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for listening. We'll see you next time on Literally

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