Refiloe is in conversation with visual artist Cinga Samson about his meteoric rise to global, artistic success. Known for his figurative oil paintings of large-scale group scenes and self-portraits; along with his depictions of figures with pupil-less eyes arranged in ceremonious poses. Cinga unpacks just what his works seek to portray and perhaps why they might never fully do. Sceptical about the trappings of success: Cinga is more focused on appreciating the emotional and spiritual nourishment that family and nature can provide.