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Yea.

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Welcome to the last episode of Catching

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the Creepies Season one, my

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first podcast. As we traveled

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down the psychic Highway, we talked to

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wizards and which is ghost

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hunters and extraterrestrial

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investigators, and we

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discovered that the supernatural is

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wrong, very natural. You

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might not know this, but this podcast

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was created by me and my brother. It's a

0:41

family affair. So for the special last

0:44

episode, I invite

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Legan to interview

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me. Why

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thank you for having me Kesha. Oh

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my gosh, thank you for

0:57

helping me create this podcast has been so

0:59

fun. So because it's the last

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episode, we thought it'd be fun to flip

1:04

the script a little bit and I can interview

1:06

you about what we've learned

1:09

on this creepy journey. Oh no,

1:11

this is like a quiz. Huh yes, it's

1:13

kind of like a quiz actually, so

1:16

um, we're going to go through some of our favorite

1:18

creepy subjects and of course we have

1:21

to start with the creepiest of all,

1:23

which is COVID. And uh,

1:25

I think we need to talk about COVID because if it

1:28

wasn't for COVID, we probably wouldn't

1:30

have done this podcast. Uh

1:32

So, why don't you tell the story about how we

1:35

decided to make this podcast. Early on in

1:37

in Quarantine, Okay, so I

1:39

believe I

1:41

was really going out of

1:43

my mind because I was supposed to be on tour

1:46

this whole entire past

1:48

fourteen months. I

1:50

was preparing to be gone

1:52

for a year and be on the

1:55

stage and beyond a tour bus. And

1:57

then when COVID happened,

2:00

obviously the world came to

2:02

a stop and we all had to

2:05

collectively figure out how to get through

2:07

this together. And

2:09

I just was stuck with so much energy still

2:11

though, and I

2:13

lived to create, whether it's a song

2:16

or an album, or an outfit or a

2:19

live show. I just amused to creating.

2:22

So being stuck, there wasn't a whole lot

2:24

of options to create things. I mean,

2:26

we did. We did send you a green screen

2:28

and you managed to make an entire music

2:30

video with a green screen from Amazon

2:33

and an iPhone. But other

2:35

than that, and we did plenty

2:38

of performances

2:41

in your house, But there wasn't

2:43

a lot of options. But we learned how

2:45

to make a podcast. We did, and

2:47

like neither one of us had any

2:50

idea how to do it before, at least I

2:52

didn't. I mean, maybe you did, but I know I

2:54

think actually the dirty secret is that I had

2:56

no idea either. Listen,

3:01

kids, you don't have to know what you're doing to do it.

3:03

You just got to do it. I told everybody

3:05

that making a podcast, I see. I did

3:08

work in radio, so I figured a podcast

3:10

is like radio, except for on the internet, so it can't

3:12

be that hard. Well, it's just people

3:15

shooting the ship, from what I understand,

3:17

or at least that's what I've been doing. Yeah,

3:19

well, nobody's told us we did anything

3:21

wrong yet, so I think we made a

3:24

okay, fine podcast. I think you guys

3:26

like this, okay fine, totally

3:28

disorganized, random podcast.

3:30

But it's been super fun to be able to still connect

3:33

with my fans and also connect to people that

3:35

I've always wanted to talk to about subjects

3:38

I'm fascinated by just

3:40

really take a time out from my creativity

3:43

always being like self centric.

3:46

It's very much always like about my

3:48

shows or my songs about how I'm feeling

3:50

and blah blah blah. So this was fun because

3:52

I actually got to just talk to other people about cool

3:55

ship and not just talk about myself and think about

3:57

myself. Is a nice break. So

3:59

one going to be playing some of our favorite clips

4:02

of the season. I think one of

4:04

the best clips is from

4:07

our first guests, Alice Cooper. And

4:10

when we first had this idea to create

4:12

a podcast about the supernatural,

4:15

your first idea for a guest was Alice Cooper.

4:18

So why is that? Well,

4:20

Uncle Alice is somebody

4:22

that I've known for a long time. He's actually one

4:24

of the first I cons

4:27

like in music, that I met, and he was so

4:29

kind and he was so nice, and we have recorded

4:31

a song together and I just remember

4:33

thinking, how when you're

4:36

that iconic and you have just like

4:38

really are part of the tapestry

4:40

of culture, you can afford

4:42

to just be like, really really nice. So

4:45

I met him right around when TikTok came out, so

4:48

I kind of took his disposition

4:50

with me as inspiration on how to be in

4:53

general. And through the years

4:55

he's just been like a great mentor and we've

4:58

done a lot of really cool things together there and he still

5:01

maintains being one

5:03

of the nicest people ever and

5:06

one of the first people that popped into my mind when I

5:08

thought, oh, let me think of a creep or

5:10

somebody who's creepy. Alice

5:13

was the first person that popped into my head, and I love

5:15

that you can still be a creep, but you can also

5:17

be really nice. So we had a lovely conversation. Well,

5:19

one of my favorite clips from the whole podcast

5:22

is when Alice Cooper explained that he

5:24

thought COVID was an alien. Yeah, we should

5:27

play that one. How do we know

5:29

that COVID nineteen isn't an alien?

5:31

It could be just invading, like a very tiny,

5:33

tiny alien. It's the first it's

5:36

the first swave of the invasion.

5:39

You could be onto something. We

5:41

should alert. We should alert somebody.

5:44

They're cute little guys should be They're really cute little

5:46

guys, like little beach balls with little

5:50

fuckers. So I'm definitely the skeptic

5:52

of the group here. But one of the

5:54

things I've really changed my

5:56

beliefs on over the course of this podcast

5:59

is the topic of psychics

6:01

and telepathy. It's been

6:04

really cool to hear you talking to

6:06

so many people, from entertainers

6:09

to experts. So early on.

6:11

One of our guests was Dr Caroline Watt,

6:13

who's a professor of parapsychology at

6:15

the University of Edinburgh, so she

6:17

actually studies this stuff. Scientifically

6:21

at a legitimate university,

6:23

which I thought was pretty unbelievable.

6:26

And one of the things that really caught my attention

6:29

is when she explained how

6:31

many people in the world have had

6:34

some sort of paranormal experience. About

6:37

fifty of people believe in

6:39

the paranormal or a ghosts. Is that about

6:42

right? That's about right, yes, um,

6:44

And that that's taken very broadly,

6:47

so that would include, for example, traditional

6:49

religious beliefs, so believing

6:51

an adult or believing that you can

6:53

pray and heal someone or

6:56

have things happen you won't

6:58

because of prayer. These would also

7:01

be regarded as paranormal beliefs

7:03

and all of that. About

7:06

half of these people believe

7:08

they've had a paranormal experience. So

7:10

that means if you look, you know, you're walking along the street,

7:12

you're looking at the people around you, about one and four

7:15

we'll have had what they think is a paranormal

7:17

experience. And that that's to me why it's obviously

7:20

of interest to psychologists to study. The

7:22

crazy part about that is you would

7:24

think this is kind of like a taboo subject

7:26

or when you talk about the paranormal or telepathy

7:29

or psychic or any of those kind of

7:31

words. I feel like it's an instant like, oh,

7:34

this lady might be crazy, And

7:36

the fact that one and four people feel like they've

7:38

had a paranormal experience makes

7:40

me feel like it's not really all that taboo.

7:43

And maybe if we just talk about it, more people

7:45

than you would expect would have really cool stories and really

7:48

interesting experiences that maybe they can't really

7:50

explain. And I just wanted to hear people's

7:52

take on that, but I also really wanted to hear the science

7:54

behind it. Yeah, I agree. I

7:56

mean when she was talking about her personal

7:58

experience and how she's more of a

8:00

skeptic but then experienced

8:03

it herself, I feel like that's when

8:05

things get really interesting, when

8:07

you're a party to seeing something

8:10

supernatural or feeling it, because

8:12

then it becomes much harder to ignore

8:15

the fact that potentially there is

8:17

something that we don't fully

8:19

understand, whether it's our brain or a

8:21

dimensional thing or a physics thing. Like

8:24

scientifically speaking, there are things

8:26

that we can't see and we can't understand.

8:29

Not only Dr Caroline Watt, but

8:31

also another guest, Graham Nichols,

8:33

talked about experiments they had done

8:36

on telepathy, and for me, you

8:39

know, coming from the more skeptical side,

8:41

hearing these people talking about

8:43

doing scientific experiments that

8:46

essentially prove some form of telepathy

8:49

was pretty incredible. There

8:52

are some researchers who have

8:54

done work in the past. Um

8:57

there's a guy called Alex Tennis. They

8:59

did research in the sort of eighties

9:02

and with a

9:04

research of all carlos osis from that via,

9:07

and they did experiments where they tried

9:09

to sort of he would try to go and see

9:12

targets and things like that. And then

9:14

there's a researcher in Italy

9:16

at the moment called Patricio tris

9:19

Oldie who is doing

9:21

research same kind of thing, looking

9:23

at seeing targets and things like that. And

9:26

then the Rhyme Research Center. I've done

9:29

research with them looking at trying

9:31

to again trying to see targets and things

9:33

like that at a distance. So we did

9:35

like about fourteen weeks

9:37

of different targets and things,

9:40

and then I would try to have an

9:42

experience or I tried

9:44

different techniques, not just out of any experiences.

9:46

I tried to remote viewing. I tried different methodologies.

9:50

I used sensory deprivation, mild

9:52

sensory deprivation. That's the thing

9:54

that I think is fascinating about the whole podcast

9:57

is that it's really

9:59

just diving into these

10:02

these subjects. Whether you want to

10:04

call it magic or you want to call

10:06

it the paranormal, it's

10:09

it's just things that we can't see

10:11

and we can't explain with

10:14

with math. It's it's and there's so much

10:16

of it in our world, and I

10:18

think it's just been so cool. I think

10:20

one of the most incredible

10:23

examples of this is when you talk

10:25

to Tyler Henry and he

10:27

gave you a reading from

10:29

our grandmother. Can

10:32

I can I just tell you one little thing? Sure? Please?

10:34

Yeah. So, like before I hopped on the line

10:36

today, I was seeing my symbol for the

10:39

sun and the moon. And I know that might sound

10:41

like so vague and random, but it actually has a lot of

10:43

meaning to me because the sun always

10:45

represents to me like a birthday,

10:48

life, and then the moon generally represents

10:50

like people passing away, you know,

10:52

death, and so there's kind of that dichotomy. What

10:54

was so interesting is, and I'm aware that you

10:56

were very close with your grandmother, Um,

10:59

there was some reference to

11:01

your mom's side of the family and actually your

11:03

mother's and correct me if I'm wrong.

11:05

I don't know if her mom has a sister, but there

11:07

was an interesting acknowledgment with the sun in

11:09

the moon thing of like within twenty

11:11

four hours there being like a birth

11:14

date and a death date. So I know it sounds

11:16

weird, but when we talk about your grandmother

11:19

on your and again your mom's side, is really like the

11:21

primary thing that was hitting me before we even hopped

11:23

on the line. There's kind of this interesting thing around

11:25

dates of like someone has a death

11:27

date and then someone has a birthdate and the right around

11:30

it, and they acknowledge your mom. And I don't

11:32

know if her mom has a sister, but they're putting a lot of emphasis

11:34

around what would be like an aunt for

11:36

you, So like when

11:39

did your grandmother pass? My grandmother

11:42

passed when I was really little. It's

11:45

funny, I'm wearing her ring. It was not

11:47

going to tell you, but now I'm done. I

11:50

just wanted to see if you picked up on it. But I she passed

11:52

away when I was really young, which is really

11:55

sad because I have very few

11:57

memories of her, but I know she was the

12:00

email bond and our family is so

12:02

strong, like me and my mother really

12:04

close, her and her mother were really close. Sure

12:06

do you happen to know what date she actually

12:08

passed away? I don't know. Do

12:11

you mind? Um, you can totally check. Feel

12:13

free if you need. My brothers on the line.

12:16

Oh cool, perfect, because there's something about

12:18

like your aunt birthdate, birthdate,

12:21

death date. Yeah, there's some reference

12:24

to these these two two dates, but they seem right

12:26

next to each other. Wait. Really, my

12:30

boyfriend just told me that, um

12:32

my aunt's Wait, let me read it to you.

12:35

My grandmother died on December seven,

12:38

and my aunt's birthday is December six,

12:41

Okay, so that

12:43

it would have been within a twenty for

12:45

our issh period of like the birthday

12:47

and the unthdate. That is so weird. So that

12:50

would be why I was seeing the sun in the moon. Oh

12:53

my god, very strange.

12:58

Yeah, that was insane. That actually

13:00

was really crazy because he and

13:03

I looked this up afterwards because I

13:05

just wanted to see if there's anywhere online that you could

13:07

have gotten the information that he got, And there literally

13:10

is nowhere online where he could have got this

13:12

information. He told me something I didn't know about,

13:14

and that you had to check with

13:16

our aunt about like information

13:18

no one's ever told me. So, I've never

13:21

said it publicly, and I even

13:23

looked it up specifically after he said it,

13:25

because I was like, is there a chance he could have done just a

13:27

really deep dive to find this information.

13:29

And I don't think

13:32

that information is anywhere on

13:34

the internet. It's not, it's absolutely

13:36

not. I didn't even know when he said

13:39

that. You know, our our grandmother

13:41

was trying to tell our aunt not to be sad

13:44

because she died around her birthday. I

13:46

had no idea, and it took me

13:48

calling our aunt and talking

13:50

to my mom to realize that

13:52

our grandmother had died within

13:55

a day of our aunt's birthday.

13:58

And so for me, that was is kind

14:00

of mind blowing and really opened

14:02

my mind to to what's possible me

14:05

too, Like, I don't know how

14:08

we could explain that neither one of us

14:10

knew when grandma died. And

14:12

I remember when we talked to our

14:14

aunt, she said she's picking out coffins

14:17

on her birthday, and like, this is a story

14:19

that I had never heard before, had

14:21

no idea about, and so in away,

14:24

by having him tell us that information,

14:26

it brought our family closer and hopefully

14:29

gave our aunt some closure. Um

14:31

I don't know. It just made me feel excited and

14:34

that there's something else out there and to

14:36

be able to communicate that was a really exciting

14:38

episode. Yeah. So another one

14:41

of the greatest hits of the season was definitely

14:43

diving into the topic of aliens

14:45

and UFOs and uh, speaking

14:48

of our family. So we came to these

14:50

interests very naturally because our

14:52

mom has always said that she thinks

14:54

she's an alien. I'm not entirely

14:56

sure she's joking. I don't think she is. Actually,

14:59

I don't think she is either. And

15:01

so if she's an alien, that

15:04

means that we're at least part alien.

15:07

So we should have an interest in learning about our

15:09

friends. Our ancestors are ancestors.

15:12

So what did you learn about aliens on

15:14

this podcast? Um, I got

15:17

to talk to Oh my god, I love talking to

15:19

Nick Pope the He

15:21

was the guy that worked in

15:23

the government in the UK at the Ministry

15:26

of Defense researching and investigating

15:28

UFOs. So talking to him was really interesting because

15:31

I tried to look at it from the perspective of what why

15:33

would this man make this up? He seems like a legitimate,

15:36

serious saying human

15:38

being, and he's talking

15:41

very matter of fact about UFOs or

15:43

just these objects he's seen and working

15:46

closely with the military and how

15:48

much they've seen. Yeah, it's

15:50

interesting because it's um

15:53

you know, when we talked to him,

15:55

it was you know, just in the last few

15:57

months since we've talked to him, you know, sixty

15:59

men. It's did a whole piece about UFOs

16:03

talking to a bunch of people within the

16:05

government on all of these reports,

16:07

of these official government reports about UFOs

16:10

and the fact that they they're seeing them

16:12

basically on a daily basis, and

16:15

and so one of the things that I thought

16:17

was really interesting from him

16:20

is kind of putting in context about it

16:22

actually is probably better if

16:24

they're aliens, because if there,

16:26

if it's actually ships from Russia

16:29

or China, then we're in big trouble. I

16:33

think we have further forward than we've ever

16:35

been, and I think this Senate

16:37

Intelligence Committee initiative is

16:40

going to certainly move things

16:42

forward again. But whether

16:44

we cross the line. I mean, the UFO

16:46

community have this concept

16:49

of disclosure with a big

16:51

D and in

16:53

their mind's eye, it's the

16:56

President going on the evening news primetime

16:58

saying, my fellow and they akins people of the world,

17:01

We're not alone My take is

17:03

it might not quite go down

17:05

that way. It might be a little bit more

17:08

supple, and I think that's

17:10

what we're seeing now. But there

17:12

are congressional briefings going on behind

17:15

the scenes. People like Marco

17:17

Rubio have gone on the record

17:19

to say, look, I'd rather this was

17:21

Aliens because if it's Russia or

17:23

China, we're in big trouble. I remember him

17:26

saying that, and he's right. I

17:29

personally hope they are UFOs

17:32

because I think that

17:34

the disclosure that I was talking about last

17:36

year, it's been slowly happening more and

17:38

more since you know,

17:40

the end of last year, and I really do stand

17:43

by I think with technology and

17:45

social media and connecting and the connection

17:47

it creates around the entire world, if somebody

17:50

sees something, it's not just like some crazy

17:52

person in the middle of the desert that you

17:55

don't know who they are. There's a whole profile and

17:57

a whole person behind it. And so when people see

17:59

something and they just it becomes harder

18:01

to discount. When there's so

18:04

many people telling the same story

18:06

over and over and over, then you start

18:08

to wonder, Okay, well, if there is

18:10

something to this, then why

18:13

is it being kept from us, and instead

18:15

of being scared of it and having it be

18:17

a secret, are they just slowly releasing

18:20

this information to get our brains

18:22

ready for full disclosure.

18:24

I remember in the COVID relief Bill, randomly,

18:27

there was a part about how

18:29

in a hundred and eighty days they had to disclose everything

18:32

that they knew about UFOs to the

18:34

American general public. Right, there's a

18:36

report um coming to Congress

18:39

about UFOs, Like that's

18:41

insane to me. It means

18:43

that we're at a point where you can no longer

18:45

just hide the truth from people. And I do think that

18:48

is due a lot to the connection we have to

18:50

each other and through social media. It's

18:53

something that we can't just ignore. There's too many people

18:55

that have seen things and we want

18:57

to know what it is. I for want of seeing

19:00

fireballs in this guy. I don't know what exactly

19:02

it was, but I would love a little information.

19:05

Like I sometimes feel like the government

19:08

and people that are in power placate us and

19:10

treat us like we're really stupid. But once you

19:12

start seeing things over and over and over enough,

19:15

people are going to demand information.

19:17

And I think that's happening right before our eyes,

19:19

which is so interesting, like we're going to be able

19:21

to tell our grandkids about

19:24

when the world found out that there were UFOs

19:26

and potentially other life trying to create contact

19:28

with this planet. And I think it's going to blow people's

19:31

minds on like a Judeo Christian

19:34

front because if time

19:36

and everything on this world

19:38

is based around the time of Jesus and then all

19:40

of a sudden you have these extraterrestrials are foreign

19:42

life, it kind of well, it flips,

19:44

it flips all of

19:47

the traditional religious beliefs

19:49

on their head. And I think one

19:51

of the most poignant perspectives we've

19:54

heard about aliens throughout

19:56

this whole podcast came from the one

19:58

and only Dana Carvey. If

20:01

aliens came down and there's some guy from the

20:03

Israeli Armies, a general came out at

20:05

the base, Isn't it just that made

20:07

me so happy to think that could be true because

20:10

everybody would let go. I always

20:12

thought if you took an Isis guy or

20:14

a hardcore Republican or far left

20:16

Democrat and just put them in space,

20:19

put them on some kind of thing at Pluto

20:21

and they could see the universe, they'd all

20:23

probably just start crying and hugging each other, so

20:25

we need aliens so we can just go Okay, everybody,

20:28

don't take this too seriously. Aliens have come

20:31

and don't forget my friend Demi Lovato

20:34

fully knows how to make

20:36

contact with extraterrestrials.

20:39

On my birthday, I made contact

20:41

for the first time, basically

20:43

me and um, some

20:45

of my best friends. We had all

20:48

gotten tested and so we

20:50

were all together and we I got

20:52

a house in Palm Springs and I went out into

20:54

the desert and on the night of my birthday, we're all

20:56

just I was like, you, guys, I really would love to do

20:59

a group metic patian and try to make contact.

21:01

And my best friends are all for it, so they were

21:03

like, yeah, let's do it. So we did. We

21:05

meditated for about thirty five minutes

21:08

um together, and

21:10

then we laid out under the stars

21:13

and we were just staring up at the sky.

21:15

And so what first

21:18

happened was this, we

21:20

played these tones, this app that you download.

21:23

You you play these tones, you meditate and

21:25

then you play the tones and you wait

21:27

for things to show up. And well

21:30

we did. We saw this bright light.

21:32

We were all laying down on the

21:34

ground, so it was just in the center of the sky.

21:37

We all look up and this big

21:39

ball brighter than any

21:41

object in the sky. It wasn't

21:44

a plane because the way that it just came into this

21:46

guy right above us, and

21:48

then it just starts moving in these

21:50

like directions that it's clearly

21:52

not a plane. Then it stops,

21:55

it goes down like a

21:57

falling star almost, and then it stopped

22:00

us again, and then it backs

22:02

out. And the way that it

22:05

yeah, it was, it was there was.

22:07

I literally was like, okay, so there's

22:10

there's no debunking that, because

22:13

there's no that wasn't a shooting

22:15

star, that wasn't a meteorite, that wasn't

22:17

a satellite, that wasn't a plane. So

22:20

what the funk else could it have been? Why

22:22

that was not bigger news is insane

22:25

to me, Like what makes headlines

22:28

and what doesn't always is baffling

22:30

to me, Like how somebody

22:32

in a swimsuit is bigger news

22:34

than the fact that one of the world's biggest

22:36

pop stars is creating contact

22:39

with extraterrestrials on a regular basis.

22:41

I don't know, I don't know the reasoning behind

22:44

that, but I found what Demi

22:46

had to say it was so interesting and

22:48

so helpful, and I've kind of gone down a rabbit hole into

22:50

this whole world of the

22:52

fourth dimension and making contact through

22:54

meditation. I have not

22:57

been able to make contact yet, but I'm working

22:59

on it, damn it. I tried to Oh, I tried to own

23:01

at the moon when it was like a super

23:04

blood full moon and

23:06

then an eclipse, and so I went outside and I

23:08

was like, ohming at it by myself in the

23:10

driveway for like two hours, and I was

23:12

like, come on, guys, I'm here.

23:14

But they didn't talk to me. So sad

23:17

about that. But Demi got contact, Yes

23:19

she did. And of course with a

23:22

podcast about the supernatural, we

23:24

had to talk a lot about ghosts and

23:27

why they decided to linger on Earth. What they're

23:29

trying to communicate to us. Are

23:31

they just trying to funk with us? There's so

23:33

many good ghost stories, and I

23:36

love a ghost story. Most people,

23:38

if you ask him, they have a good one. So Carl,

23:41

you just make like a super cut of all

23:43

the best ghost stories, like bang bang bang.

23:46

I got there and I was like, that's something

23:48

great about this house. I was sat there

23:50

with my brother and he's

23:52

freaking out. And then

23:55

the crew was freaking out. A couple of the crew guys

23:57

ran out of the room, wouldn't stay in them. She

23:59

didn't, and I was like, what is going

24:01

on? Why everyone so freaked out?

24:04

And then they were like, you don't understand. This

24:06

is the most communication we have ever

24:08

got from any sort

24:10

of paranormal investigation we have ever

24:13

done. And I've only worked in this round

24:15

for the last ten years, so the town Ballroom

24:17

has been there for like again a hundred years.

24:20

You can go down into those tunnels and

24:22

there are legitimately haunted.

24:25

And as we're coming back, I turned around and

24:27

I saw a little boy just run

24:29

in front of me, like the midst

24:32

of a little boy, the shape and form

24:34

of a little boy. It was a hundred percent

24:36

like I know what I saw and that

24:39

that was the first time i've I think I've legitimately

24:41

seen a ghost. A girl told me a boyfriend

24:44

died, and kind of my when she said

24:46

he feels like she feels like is

24:48

with her all the time. And I felt

24:50

that heavy because I felt like a big connection.

24:53

We like we found basing now you

24:55

know what I'm saying. I think to feel loved and to

24:57

feel accepted is something that never leaves

24:59

you because people die, but energy doesn't

25:01

die. Energy can't die, can't

25:03

be destroyed a cane transfer and that

25:06

song is legitimately about like kind of a

25:08

ghost and some weird higher

25:10

power. So my personal opinion,

25:13

I would like to

25:16

be a ghost with Big Frieda because she wants

25:18

to be a ghost that pulls dicks, and I

25:20

have a feeling like if her and I haunted

25:23

a place together like it would fucking

25:25

go down. Would be the funnest

25:27

ghost ever. Yeah, I have to say Big

25:29

Frieda's idea to be a ghost that

25:31

pulls dicks might be a highlight of

25:33

the season for me. If

25:37

I was the ghost, what would be my style of

25:39

hunting? Probably

25:42

something sexual? Oh

25:49

my god, yes, your

25:53

dick off.

25:56

So Amy Brunei the paranormal investigator.

25:58

Basically she's like a perfect tional of what we're

26:00

faking to be. Yeah, she's the real

26:03

deal. She has all these

26:05

really creepy dolls. The doll tried to

26:07

set her house on fire. I

26:09

was drawn to this doll. I put her on layaway

26:11

and every week I would bring my five dollar

26:13

allowance until I paid off this doll

26:16

or whatever and brought her home and

26:19

set her up on my shelf, and

26:21

then a few days later walked in and it

26:23

smelled like burning, and I was like, that's

26:25

weird. And then the next day I looked and there

26:27

was like a kind of like a scorch

26:29

mark above the doll, and

26:32

I was like, that's really strange. And so

26:34

then I smelled it another

26:36

day and came in and found

26:39

literally her dress was

26:41

holding and I was like, something is wrong

26:44

with this doll. I

26:47

know. One of your highlights in the season was

26:49

talking to the Wizard oz Or

26:52

over On Zell, who runs a school

26:54

of wizardry out of Seattle, Washington.

26:57

Can you just talk about talking to the

26:59

Wizard and what it was like to

27:02

communicate with a guy who created unicorns?

27:04

Oh my god, I'm like, I'm

27:07

an adult baby. Talking to the Wizard

27:09

was so exciting. I completely fanned

27:11

girls on him, and like, actually

27:14

talking to someone who knows so

27:16

much about everything magical.

27:19

I felt like a kid in the candy shop. And something

27:22

else that blew my mind is that in our

27:24

lifetime, like you were definitely alive. I

27:26

wasn't alive yet, but like in your lifetime there

27:28

were unicorns. We'll go to corns,

27:31

go to corns. Excuse me, there were goat

27:33

unicorns. That's still very impressive, and

27:37

like nobody even knows about it. I'll say it to

27:39

people and they're like, Oh, she's losing

27:41

her marbles. But then I pulled up a

27:43

picture and they're like, oh, ship, that's

27:45

like a tiny unicorn. We

27:48

discovered the secret of the unicorn, and

27:50

that is basically that unicorns

27:53

were real animals who actually existed

27:56

at various times in past, but they were not

27:58

a species, so they did not continue.

28:00

They were in art form that was created

28:03

by a secret um process

28:06

of animal husbandry that had been discovered

28:08

and lost and rediscovered several

28:11

times throughout history and applied

28:13

to different species of horned animals.

28:15

So the earliest unicorns that we saw

28:17

from the Bronze Age, like four thousand years

28:20

ago were tarwine. They were bull

28:22

unicorns. There was a The

28:24

Oriental unicorn are cherving. Their

28:26

deer unicorns. They have branching horn. The

28:28

Golden Age of Greece was inaugurated

28:31

by the appearance of an airing a ram

28:33

unicorn at the court of the newly

28:36

inaugurated um King of

28:38

Athens Pericles, whose

28:40

reign was the Golden Age of Greece. There

28:43

are many, many of these that appear, but

28:46

the ones that were the most famous were the caprine

28:48

unicorns we see in the medieval tapestries.

28:51

Those are the ones with the beards. Now

28:54

there's only one kind of animal on the planet,

28:56

mammal that has hoofs and

28:59

beards in that. What a sweet

29:01

soul that man has. I wish he was my dad.

29:06

Well maybe he is, Maybe he is.

29:10

And then ironically when

29:12

we talk the witch we talked to was

29:14

also from Seattle, which is

29:17

so apparently if you're into witches

29:20

and wizard's Seattle is the spot

29:22

go to Washington State

29:24

if you want to get down with wizardry.

29:27

So um, I mean

29:29

the hood, which was amazing because like

29:32

she is a witch and

29:35

knows witchcraft, but also is like

29:37

has the coolest style of anybody I've ever seen.

29:39

I love her because I feel like when you do

29:41

think of like, oh, witches, it's all very

29:43

dark and not who

29:46

she's representing, which is like vibrant

29:48

and gorgeous and makeup

29:51

and beautiful and young. And

29:54

I just feel like it's the new era of

29:56

what being a witch means. And

29:58

I find that really interesting because as before

30:00

talking to her, I thought of it as something like separate

30:02

to myself. But in talking with her, I

30:04

realized that, oh, I'm kind of already

30:07

inclined to these witchy behaviors.

30:09

So if I want to just do

30:11

more of that, I can be a witch and

30:14

it's empowering versus whatever

30:17

the old idea of what a witch is. Yeah, essentially

30:19

it's you know, she kind of defined it as just

30:22

a rebellious, spiritual, powerful

30:25

and inspired woman who who

30:27

doesn't follow follow the herd,

30:29

right, Yeah, So in talking

30:31

to her at the beginning, I was like, oh, I'm talking

30:33

to the hood witch. I'm talking to Brie. And

30:35

then at the end I was like, oh, Ship, I

30:38

think I'm a witch. Culturally,

30:41

when we think of the word which, and we think

30:43

of what that looks like, I

30:46

think that there are so many common misconceptions

30:49

of witchcraft in general, and like

30:51

what a witch is and what a witch isn't.

30:54

Uh So, first and foremost, growing

30:56

up, I have two grandmothers where

30:59

I and most of my spiritual practice

31:02

from, Um, you have hereditary

31:04

witches, you have people who

31:07

are just solitary practitioners.

31:09

So I think that just in general, the word

31:12

which you know, obviously, um,

31:14

it's like it can be like this big umbrella,

31:17

because the witch has always existed

31:19

in every continent, every country,

31:22

Uh you know what I mean. So generally

31:24

most people's perception of a witch

31:26

is like an old haggard

31:28

woman with like a big nose with the war

31:31

on it. And it's like, I don't look like that. Neither

31:33

do my grandmother's neither do anyone you

31:35

know that. I know that practices, but I

31:38

think that just overall as an umbrella

31:41

um the which has always existed

31:43

in this archetype of just like this wild,

31:46

fierce woman, in rebellious

31:49

woman, this rebellious energy um

31:51

has always existed. So to be a

31:53

witch and to claim that for yourself

31:55

that can be in magical

31:57

practice or you know, it could just

32:01

about just energetically like how you feel.

32:03

And I think that that rebellion has always

32:06

just innately been with

32:08

a lot of us. You know. Well, also we

32:10

also realize that not only are

32:13

you a witch, but you're also a juggalo.

32:16

Oh my god, yeah, I am.

32:19

I love I c P get

32:22

me that fago. Let's go woot boot.

32:25

I am here for it. I love

32:28

the insane clown posse, the whole culture.

32:30

It's so fringe and it's so inclusive.

32:35

I just really relate to people that feel like

32:38

outside of society and they want to make

32:40

their own little group and safe space

32:42

and home for the people that just want

32:44

to be free. I very much relate to

32:46

I c P. Music

32:49

itself is a fucking miracle.

32:51

I mean it's a miracle. If scientists

32:53

could figure out music, they would

32:55

they get together with two other sciences

32:58

and they would create the ultimith

33:00

album that's gonna sell to every fan on

33:02

earth, and they would sell fifty

33:05

billion albums because they created the

33:07

masterpiece, because they can figure out music. But

33:09

that don't happen because they can't figure out music.

33:12

Nobody can figure out music. Love is

33:14

a miracle, can't

33:18

You can't put that in a pillar. Sciences

33:21

would be selling that up to bollowing an

33:23

up sat Well, they've been trying to do that. I

33:25

think that's called molly.

33:29

Then we were talking about furies and I realized

33:31

maybe I'm a furry because I do

33:34

think anything fluffy to me. I

33:36

realized this, like, take take

33:38

a man. Take that same man. You

33:40

put long hair and a beard. I definitely

33:43

prefer the long I love a fluffier,

33:45

furier thing. So I'm thinking

33:48

with all my cats, they're all really furry. A

33:50

lot of my furniture it's like fake

33:52

fluffy furry stuff. I love

33:54

fury things, so I might in fact

33:58

be a furry and I would have never known in

34:00

this I hadn't talked to c P and

34:02

then found out I was a juggalo too, So like I'm

34:04

a witch, I'm a juggalo, I'm a furry.

34:07

I love it. I think it's it's the fact

34:09

the common theme here is that that

34:12

they're very open, and I feel like you're

34:14

very open on this spiritual

34:16

journey, and it's they're very

34:19

kindred spirits. Yeah, I do feel

34:21

like kindred spirits with them. I know it sounds goofy,

34:23

but I really do. I love them. They're so nice and

34:25

fun. And finally we have to end

34:27

with where it all began. A k

34:30

A. Our Mom, a k A. Granny

34:32

Rapper, a k A. The lady who

34:34

interrupts the podcast all the

34:36

time because I normally record the

34:39

podcast in the basement of our mom's

34:41

house. That is so sad. It

34:44

is sad, But I need to preface

34:46

it that I don't still live

34:48

with mom. I'm forty years old and I do

34:50

not still live with Mom. However, I

34:52

do live next door and my office

34:55

is in Mom's basement, so

34:58

slightly better and

35:00

still living with Mom when you're fortune like

35:04

barely fairly. So

35:07

I do have to give her credit that I think

35:09

our interest in the subject comes from

35:11

the way we were raised. In part, she

35:14

does say that she's an alien, which would

35:16

make both of us at least part alien.

35:18

And when she did barge in one time on

35:20

the podcast, she explained that

35:23

we're also Russian, even

35:25

though our whole life we thought we were

35:27

Hungarian. We were Hungarian, and like

35:29

filmed an episode of the MTV show

35:32

we did million years ago, and we went to Hungary

35:34

and met a bunch of ancestors who

35:36

were Okay, so here's the deal, And

35:39

she said, according to twenty three and me, so

35:41

the people that we met in Hungary on

35:44

TV, it's just those

35:46

people were actually our ancestors.

35:50

But apparently they had

35:52

emigrated from Russia to Hungary.

35:55

And you can hear it all right here on

35:58

the podcast Take it Away.

36:00

Granny. Okay, I

36:02

am Russia. Russian. No, I'm Rutchian,

36:04

says who says twenty

36:07

three in me, so I'm Russian.

36:09

Yes, we're from Ukraine.

36:12

We're Russian. I have

36:14

fourth out of Hungarian. There's

36:17

not a drop of Hungarian in US.

36:19

We're Russian and Polish

36:22

and Croatian. Well,

36:25

thank you for telling me I

36:27

have like a fourth cousin in Moscow.

36:30

Well, let's go to Moscow. I got a bunch

36:32

of other cousins, Rudy Giuliani.

36:35

So also when she bargoned on the podcast,

36:38

she shared she shared the story

36:40

of when you guys did a past life regression

36:43

together, So let's let's take a

36:45

little listen. No,

36:48

oh god, I hate to I

36:50

was an astrology major in college

36:53

and I'm minored in past life

36:55

regression. True, and I

36:57

did my first past life regression when

36:59

I was a tan um. The

37:01

first regression I did, I was for

37:03

Trapper sometime. Probably.

37:07

Yeah, I was bad. I think that's why I'm

37:09

an animal lover now because I think

37:11

I'm paying for the fur trapping

37:14

episodes. But I

37:17

was just this big, burly like for Trapper

37:19

guy that I just saw myself

37:21

in this like canoe with a bunch

37:23

of dead animals. So, according

37:26

to the facts from our mom, you

37:29

in a previous life died of

37:31

gana. No, you

37:33

died. That is not according

37:36

to the person who

37:38

conducted the past life regression.

37:41

I'm gonna do something humiliating to you back

37:43

for this. By the way, I think you might have

37:45

died of a fever. I think you are prostitute.

37:48

That's what I think. And you probably and

37:51

you probably died of some

37:53

sort of a v D. And I

37:55

think, at least in my dream,

37:58

you were mind such a bit. No, I

38:00

didn't die of a v D. You

38:03

died. You died of the

38:05

v D and you weren't killing animals

38:07

in a canoe. All right, So I was a

38:09

terrible person, I admit it. But you

38:12

died of the v D and left me in the alleys

38:14

with the street dogs. Okay,

38:18

Can I please tell you a

38:21

I've never had gonaihia? Well no, no, listen,

38:23

it's in a past life. And I'm not saying you have gnaia

38:25

now, I'm just saying, in a past life. Oh my god,

38:28

b I don't have gnarrhea. See

38:31

I never have had gnarreha. Four,

38:33

mom's making this ship up. D

38:36

I'm gonna kill you. You

38:38

have gone ariha. My brother has gona

38:40

news flash news alert. Well

38:42

maybe in the past life I did have ga

38:46

No, the past life progression has said that

38:48

she like she was roaming around with dogs and

38:50

then I was burned at

38:52

the steak, and then she somehow decided

38:55

it would be like more fun of a story for her

38:57

to tell if I died of Gonorea.

39:00

She totally well, I think it worked.

39:04

I have never had gone a rhea. I

39:06

was trending today on TikTok. Oh,

39:08

my god for what I

39:11

did a TikTok in my driveway

39:13

with your sunglasses and that

39:15

Louis stole that I stole that

39:17

I think are Gucci

39:19

still my good ship? No?

39:22

I just stole what Louie

39:24

stole and I trended the other

39:26

day Instagram too, and

39:28

you need to post a picture of us

39:30

together and tag me. Isn't

39:33

it such a good podcast?

39:36

People can't wait to hear you

39:38

bitch at me. I think they're gonna give

39:40

me my own podcast and boot

39:42

you off is probably what's going to happen.

39:46

So as Season one of

39:48

Cash and the Creepies comes to an end,

39:51

I hope all of you out there are staying particularly

39:54

open hearted, open minded, keep

39:56

it creepy, keep on creeping

39:58

on, and I I will see

40:01

you soon. Thank you for joining

40:03

us, and get by my troops m