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show. When

1:09

I was small and Christmas trees were tall, we

1:12

used to love while others used to play. Don't

1:14

ask me why but time has passed us by.

1:17

Someone else moved in from far away. Now

1:19

we are tall and Christmas trees are small and you

1:22

don't ask the time of day. But you and I,

1:24

our love will never die but guess we'll cry come

1:26

first of May. We're recording on the first of May.

1:29

The apple tree that grew for you and me is one of

1:31

the Bee Gees classics. What is it? Do you love this? Love

1:33

this song? I don't know what it is. It's

1:35

not meaningless songs in very high first of May by

1:37

the Bee Gees. I don't know

1:39

it. Can you could you sing it for me? It's fantastic. Could you

1:41

give me a little bit of the... Not

1:44

with a voice like this. Oh yeah,

1:46

so now I've been coughing all night. Shall

1:48

we explain to the audience and I'm delighted to

1:50

be able to say this, but

1:52

welcome to the show in which Simon

1:54

Mayo is on steroids. Yeah,

1:57

it's true actually. So last week...

2:00

we did the show and then after the show

2:02

I just deteriorated enormously. It was

2:05

quite a stressful record as it turns out and

2:07

by the end of the greatest hit show my voice

2:10

had just gone so then I was off work Thursday

2:12

Friday because I couldn't speak and

2:15

I've been so I'm

2:17

on antibiotics and on

2:20

steroids and you know

2:22

how when you take is

2:25

all GP recommended obviously you know when you

2:27

take a tablet normally they don't taste of

2:29

anything and you just sort of take a

2:31

glass of water and you know right these

2:35

steroids I have to take eight all

2:37

at once well not all at once you know eight at the same

2:39

time and they

2:42

are the most revolting tablets of all

2:44

I don't know what they're made from their own

2:46

made a steroid but you know this it's the

2:48

most disgusting I never knew steroids tasted so what

2:50

do they taste but I have got amazing money

2:52

to taste we got with a steroids are gonna

2:54

turn up in a review that we're going to

2:56

one that we're going to do so what

2:59

does it taste of food that's gone

3:01

off basically doesn't taste them

3:04

pumpkin oil and really really disgusting so even

3:07

if you're even if you're drinking them with if

3:09

you're swallowing them with coffee or something like that

3:12

the taste in I still have steroid in taste

3:14

in my mouth now that's how

3:16

grim is but anyway if it's making me better then

3:18

but is it gonna is it gonna make you super

3:20

buff are you gonna have that that's one of my

3:22

favorite phrases I think it was some Douglas

3:25

Adams he said he had

3:27

biceps that look like two Volkswagen's

3:29

parking yeah that's definitely Douglas Adams

3:31

isn't it yes I actually

3:34

now look like Josh O'Connor

3:36

our guest for today's program when

3:38

he's playing tennis that's

3:40

exactly how I look ripped

3:44

completely ripped and it's just from like a couple

3:46

of days of taking these these steroids it's amazing

3:48

really and and Josh O'Connor is

3:51

on the show because he's in to talk

3:53

about a new movie and he's not talking about his tennis

3:56

film although that does come up in the conversation but

3:58

he's talking okay about a little

4:01

kind of indie Italian Anglo film

4:03

called Lacchimaire. Anyways, great

4:05

guest. You'll hear from him later. What else are we doing? Did

4:07

he mention me? Because, you know, I mean, I've been a fan

4:09

of his for ages. I didn't get to interview him. Did he

4:11

ask after me? Did he, did he, did he say hi? Actually,

4:15

no, you didn't come up in the conversation and he

4:17

didn't say to say hi. But let's

4:19

just assume that he just thought it

4:21

didn't need to be said. Thanks, Josh.

4:24

Yeah, thanks. Josh O'Connor. Well, he's heading for the,

4:26

he's heading for the big time, basically. I think

4:28

he's hit the big time. He's played Charles. Yeah.

4:32

Coming up on the show, reviews of The

4:34

Fall Guy, The Idea Review,

4:36

which is the new Elhathaway film and

4:38

Love Lies Bleeding, which is super pumped

4:41

and features steroids. Excellent. Which

4:43

I'm sure will become a recurring subject.

4:45

By the way, if you're a member of the medical section

4:47

of our church, I'd love

4:49

to know why some, you know, why

4:51

would some tablets taste revolting? That's

4:54

what I want to know. Particularly.

4:56

Maybe they make them taste revolting. So you don't take

4:58

them for fun. So you don't think, oh, I'll do

5:00

that. It's a nice thing. I didn't even know you,

5:02

I mean, all I know about steroids is that when

5:04

you give them to the cat or the dog, they

5:07

get a new lease of life. Like if you've got a

5:10

cat or a dog that's got some kind of, you know,

5:12

thing, and then the vet says, oh, we're going to

5:14

have to put them on the course of steroids. And the

5:16

next thing you know, your cat is out mousing every day

5:18

and your dog is, you know, leaping in and out of

5:20

the sea. Well, look out North

5:23

London because I should be out prowling

5:25

and getting out, like, as

5:27

appropriate. In our extra takes, which

5:29

has landed alongside for the Vanguard Easter,

5:33

Weekend Watchlist, TV movie of the week thing,

5:35

couple of bonus reviews. What are they, Mark?

5:38

Red Herring, which is a new documentary. Also,

5:40

it's the reissue, 25th anniversary reissue of Star

5:42

Wars Episode One, The Phantom

5:46

Menace, the film for which you and I

5:49

went to Hollywood to see for the first

5:51

time what amazing experience that was. One

5:53

frame back, his film's about stunt performers.

5:56

Questions, questions will be here. More

5:59

from Josh O'Connor. He was so good we split him

6:01

into two. Baby

6:03

reindeer will be discussed because Mark has watched all

6:06

of that and you can access all of this

6:09

All of this joy and happiness via Apple

6:11

podcasts or head to extra takes calm for

6:13

non fruit related devices And if you're already

6:15

a van gogh Easter as always we

6:19

salute you and Joel

6:22

says Can

6:25

we just point out to the listeners before we came on

6:27

air? we had to do a thing with the video camera

6:29

because you just did salute and We had

6:31

to do a thing with your video camera because it had a setting

6:33

on it if you gave a thumbs up or salute Your

6:35

video camera automatically superimposed fireworks over

6:38

you and we spent about 10

6:40

minutes figuring out how to turn it off

6:42

well, this is because I interviewed

6:44

Vicki McClure for for this podcast,

6:46

which you'll hear and time

6:49

I imagine and All

6:51

the way through the interview big thumbs up

6:53

emojis kept on appearing Out

6:55

the side of my screen at the side of her

6:57

screen and being a professional she doesn't mention it But

7:00

it was very off-putting. I think my

7:02

kids probably been Anyway,

7:04

I've got some emails here, but I don't think I'm gonna I think

7:06

we're gonna come back to them because Love

7:09

Lies bleeding Is

7:11

it looks like is it could be a top film and

7:14

there's some correspondence about that? So why don't

7:16

we I guess okay that okay, so

7:18

Love Lies bleeding Which is the new film from Rose

7:20

glass who made Saint Maud which you remember was my

7:22

favorite film of a few years ago I think it

7:24

was 2020. Um, and

7:26

I said at the time that she was you know, an

7:28

electrifying thrilling new voice

7:31

and And I also

7:33

knew at the time that is if you come, you know, if you

7:35

have a film like Saint Maud It's it's

7:37

a gun hard act to follow. Well, she

7:40

has followed it and then some new film

7:42

is co-written by her and Veronica de Vilska

7:46

I did an on stage with her at the

7:48

the BFI with BFI IMAX actually weird because they're

7:50

currently taking And She's

7:55

great, I mean she's she's a really really great

7:57

filmmaker this Is set in 80s America.

8:00

That show in Albuquerque. So Breaking

8:02

Bad land. Christmas. You who

8:04

is great is this team manager Lou

8:06

Luis She works and days among that

8:08

the body builders in the jokes. Into

8:11

the gym comes chalky pipe like a

8:13

champ Brian who you my notes and

8:15

my delorean see sees the communications officer

8:17

all I interviewed her because we did

8:20

program about. Bodybuilding. On screen.

8:22

And sees owner away to a bodybuilding

8:25

competition in Las Vegas. She's also on

8:27

the lookout for work. And

8:29

a place to stay. And it is clear from

8:31

the outset that there is a spark. Between.

8:33

Jack is good. As

8:36

you play. Nineties

8:38

working. For.

8:51

Pretty serious are. Very

8:57

off. Lady.

9:01

Feather I was your live. Wherever

9:05

gravity Grand Avenue on com ones

9:07

who don't know. If

9:10

I were they would you guys gonna get the brush off the

9:12

with them. Yet,

9:14

faith we haven't a what's the phrase? they

9:16

haven't read the room or the parking lot.

9:18

In this case, Son. They

9:21

starts have relationship which is powered to some

9:23

extent. By. The Fight: The Loo gives

9:25

Jackie steroids which apparently she got them. You

9:27

saw him in my oh so you know

9:29

your counterpart. This plot okay mean world just

9:32

gets a job. A gun range which is

9:34

run by lose estranged father played by Ed

9:36

Harris. With. The scariest hair

9:38

I have seen in a film

9:40

in quite some time. Own

9:43

least senior is pretty bad news.

9:45

They. Franco's Jj. Is

9:48

bad. News and unpleasant. and

9:50

somehow you know this whole thing is gonna

9:52

send it to kind of tinderbox the east

9:54

st more was gonna slow burn portray of

9:57

loneliness and obsession with a killer staying in

9:59

its tail this is like

10:01

a brilliantly visceral succoponchima film. It's

10:03

tactile, it's physical in the Cronenbergian

10:06

sense, absolutely sensational in

10:08

its impact. I

10:10

remember just recently we reviewed

10:13

Drive Away Dolls. This is

10:15

actually the lesbian action romance that is

10:17

anarchic and subversive rather than just a

10:20

film that's pretending to be all of

10:22

those things. On the one hand, it's

10:24

about women's parents, about women becoming physically

10:26

strong and that alarming the

10:29

men around them. The film's been playing in the US and

10:31

I think particularly with what's going on in the US at

10:33

the moment, the US needs

10:35

to see a film like this. It's

10:37

also a sweaty, passionate love story.

10:40

It's a tale of lust and

10:42

violence and love and heat and

10:44

dust and muscle and steroids. It's

10:47

also a kind of video-drome

10:50

style body transformation fantasy. If

10:53

like me, you're a big Cronenberg fan, you do sink all

10:55

the way through Long Live the New Flesh. There's a thing

10:57

in the brood, this

10:59

thing Psychopasmics, which what Psychopasmics does

11:01

is it takes your internal rage

11:03

and externalizes it and turns it

11:05

into something physical.

11:07

There's a version of that going

11:09

on in the film. Also,

11:12

Rose Glass has always been interested in dance.

11:14

This is to some extent the musical. There's

11:16

a lot of kind of humping period music,

11:20

but also the way in which when

11:23

people are doing bodybuilding posing, it is like

11:25

dancing. It's almost like a vogue really. The

11:28

way in which she shoots it, the way

11:30

in which she shoots the skin, the flesh,

11:32

the muscles, the positions of the body is

11:34

really like watching somebody filming dance. Christa

11:37

Stewart, I know Cloud's personal

11:41

shop, I spent so absolutely brilliant, again demonstrating that

11:43

she's got real range. I still insert anything she

11:45

was great in the Twilight movies and I'm never

11:47

going to forget that

11:50

that was where I first was introduced

11:52

to her. But of course it is significant as

11:54

well that she was in the Cronenberg

11:57

film just recently. She's

12:00

kind of in this swamp anyway.

12:03

Great chemistry between her and Katie O'Brien, who

12:05

is equally terrific on camera, but I do

12:07

think that the star of the film is

12:09

Rose Glass. I mean, confidence just oozes

12:11

from every frame. She's

12:14

confident enough to be playful. I mean,

12:16

there are kind of playful nods to

12:18

things like Attack on the 50-foot Woman,

12:20

there's psychedelic expressionism, the film sort of

12:22

turning itself inside out. And

12:25

I genuinely, genuinely thought this

12:27

is just sensationally entertaining. I'm

12:30

thrilled. It's like proper, full-on

12:32

visceral cinema that reaches out from the screen

12:34

and grabs you and I think

12:36

it's terrific. And I think you'd really enjoy

12:38

it, particularly since you currently have a head

12:40

full of steroids. Also psychedelic expressionism isn't a phrase

12:43

I've ever heard before. So maybe

12:45

I need to go and see it for that very

12:47

reason. You'll

12:49

love it. It's great. Just

12:51

if anything gets the kind of praise

12:54

that Love Lies Bleeding has just received. Anyway, hang

12:56

on for that. Correspondents

12:58

at camera.com, still to come. Mark, what are we

13:00

going to do next? The new

13:03

Anne Hathaway film, The Idea Review and

13:05

The Fall Guy, which is in cinemas,

13:07

including IMAX. Also, we're going to

13:09

be talking to Josh O'Connor back in just a moment. And

13:21

for those who might be thinking about getting one, could you please tell us

13:24

what films

13:29

they can enjoy this May? Certainly, Simon. This month,

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13:35

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13:37

is a selection of what they have available to

13:40

stream in the UK. They have

13:42

Annette, which is the Leos Carax musical

13:44

with music by Sparks, which is absolutely

13:46

wonderful. Tokyo Ga, which is the

13:48

film by a German director, Wim Wenders,

13:50

who travels to Tokyo to explore the

13:53

world of one of his cinematic heroes,

13:55

Yasujiro Ozu. That's MUBI's Cannes takeover series.

13:57

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13:59

which is a look back on some of the best of the

14:01

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14:04

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14:06

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15:48

and in which case we just sort

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16:03

soft... Number 38,

16:06

American Society of Magical Negroes.

16:09

Which as I said when we talked about last week, it's

16:11

an interesting idea and it's probably an interesting idea for a

16:13

short film, but it really does struggle to sustain a feature.

16:19

It's just not coherent enough to work. There is

16:21

a good satirical idea in there, but it's not

16:23

a feature idea. Someone called Uber

16:25

from our YouTube channel said,

16:27

caught this last night, very enjoyable, full of

16:29

laughs, good acting, but probably didn't do its

16:32

main cause justice until the penultimate scene, its

16:34

focus seemed to pull away from its initial

16:36

premise to a standard rom-com, which was a

16:38

shame. Wasn't wasted time, wouldn't avoid

16:40

it completely, but at the same time I

16:42

wouldn't rush back to see it. Number

16:46

26 is ISS. Which

16:48

I kind of enjoyed because I liked the idea

16:50

about single location. A bunch of people stuck in

16:52

a space station, terrible things happen on Earth and

16:54

suddenly the people in the space station turned

16:57

against each other. It's kind of like

16:59

the thing in space. I enjoyed it.

17:01

Steve Ledbetter, also on our YouTube channel,

17:03

says a decent pretender to 2010 with

17:05

Roy Schein and

17:08

Helen Mirren and I think John

17:10

Lithgow was in that as well. I think I'm right.

17:13

Is that the one with the, didn't Arthur C.

17:15

Clarke write that? That's right. Anyway,

17:18

Steve Ledbetter says, tensions were

17:20

high. It

17:23

told me to count backwards from 10 to one

17:25

in Russian, so clearly I've watched it too often.

17:28

I don't think I've ever seen 2010. The thing

17:30

that 2010 is most famous for is that my

17:32

very good friend Nigel Floyd always quotes there's a

17:34

phrase that Helen Mirren used. She

17:36

says, piece of pie. She means piece of

17:38

cake, but it's a mistranslation and she says

17:40

piece of pie. So whenever Nigel is going to say

17:43

piece of cake, he says piece of pie as a

17:45

nod to Helen Mirren in 2010. Number

17:48

19 is ordinary angels. Which is okay. I

17:50

mean, as those kind of faith-based films go,

17:52

it sort of keeps the faith generally to

17:54

the background. Although I do think that the

17:56

main thing it tells you is that the

17:58

American healthcare system needs addressing. very seriously.

18:01

Interesting email from the Reverend David

18:03

Meldrum in Cape Town, formerly

18:06

of London and Edinburgh. Dear

18:08

Reverend Doctor and Right Reverend Doctor, listening since

18:10

the beginning, oftentimes emergency mailer. I was reminded

18:12

in this week's take of something that's been

18:15

nagging at me for a long time. Mark

18:18

reviewed Ordinary Angels, a film which holds no

18:20

attraction for me whatsoever. I

18:22

appreciate that for some people and other

18:24

media of this nature. I aim squarely

18:26

at a particular kind of Christian, that

18:28

they're important. And I also know that

18:30

film companies market films at specific

18:33

target markets. I find

18:35

it though deeply patronizing. I am a

18:37

Christian. It's generally considered a compulsory prerequisite

18:39

for my job, what with him being

18:41

a Reverend and everything. And

18:45

as Mark is rightly fond of saying, you get

18:47

from a film what you bring to it. Because

18:49

my faith is important to me, it

18:51

informs my watching of films, often

18:53

not consciously, but it's there

18:55

in the air I breathe, like my marriage

18:58

and family life and other central parts of

19:00

who I am. I don't want

19:02

to or need a film tailored to

19:04

my perceived needs by a Hollywood marketing

19:06

department. I want good

19:08

films. My faith has been

19:10

informed and shaped by all manner

19:12

of films, none of them with

19:14

this faith based sector. I think

19:16

of Pan's Labyrinth and Trainspotting amongst

19:18

many others. Martin Scorsese's Silence was

19:20

a profound and thought provoking film

19:22

about faith adapted from a great

19:24

novel and was not, as

19:27

far as I can recall, described as

19:29

faith based, presumably because it

19:31

asks challenging questions of and about

19:33

faith rather than simply using faith

19:35

as a marketing tool. Down

19:38

with lazy film marketing, right wing fundamentalist wing

19:40

nuts and all the other bad stuff and

19:42

up with having your worldview shaped by surprising

19:44

and challenging art of all types. Reverend

19:47

David Melgroom. That's a good email, don't you think? I

19:49

do. Where does the Reverend David Melgroom preach?

19:51

Because I would like to go to... He

19:54

sounds like my kind of guy. Okay, it's

19:57

going to be a while but I'm going to get myself

19:59

to Cape Town. because I would go to one

20:01

of those sermons. Yeah, that sounds pretty good, Dave.

20:03

If you preach like that, then hey, if you're

20:05

one of our listeners in or near

20:07

Cape Town, seek out the Reverend

20:09

David Meldrum because he sounds like a good kind of

20:12

bloke. Number 15, Boy Kills

20:14

World. And speaking of being punched in the

20:16

face, Monkey Man is at number 10, number

20:18

12 in the state. And as I said,

20:20

weirdly, these two could be a very, very

20:22

exhausting, Sholto Copley Double Bill. It's

20:24

more face punching than anyone can deal with.

20:26

That's the thing in, is it

20:29

the second Twilight film in

20:31

which they go to? Because she has to

20:33

get, she has to be disturbed because when

20:35

she's disturbed, she gets visions of Edward. So

20:38

she goes to the cinema to see a film which

20:40

is called Face Punch, Let's Do This. I think that's

20:42

the second, you

20:44

have an encyclopedia knowledge of that genre. Number

20:48

nine here, number nine in the state is Dune Part

20:50

Two. This is, you know, I think

20:52

we're all now going, okay, come on, can we

20:54

have Part Three? Because we want the thing in

20:56

which it becomes apparent to everybody that, you know

20:58

what, he's not the Messiah. It's

21:00

just a very, very, very, very bad thing

21:02

is going to happen, yeah. Number

21:04

eight, New Entry. Now this is

21:07

either Spy Times Family Code, colon white,

21:09

or you don't say the times because

21:11

as you've told us, it's silent, so

21:14

it's Spy Family Code white. What is

21:16

it? See, I

21:18

suspect that's the second of those Spy Family Code.

21:20

Why, I haven't seen this, this is a Japanese

21:22

animated by action comedy film, and I imagine that

21:24

that's it, but then I am basing that on

21:26

the fact that Linda Merrick told me that this

21:28

is what happens when you have a title with

21:30

an X in it, that you don't say it,

21:33

because the kids wouldn't. And

21:36

number seven is Ghostbusters, Frozen Empire. She

21:39

isn't getting any better, but it is been in

21:41

the charts now for six weeks, and this demonstrates

21:43

why we keep getting these films, because it doesn't

21:46

matter how poor they are. All that matters is

21:48

that they've got the word Ghostbusters in them and

21:50

a couple of, you know, appearances by, you know,

21:52

oh yeah, there's the guy who I thought

21:54

was great in the film in the previous

21:56

century, and they just continue to make money.

21:59

Number six is Abby. Abigail number five in America.

22:01

So Abigail came out the week that we were off and

22:03

I said I was going to go and sit over the

22:05

weekend and I lied to you. But the reason I did

22:07

was, and there is a reason, I was going to and

22:09

then I watched an episode of Baby Reindeer and then I

22:11

lost an evening. Oh, so you lost an evening. Because I

22:13

just did all of Baby Reindeer. No, no, you're going to

22:15

benefit from the fact that I did because we are going

22:18

to talk about Baby Reindeer in Take Two. But that's what

22:20

happened. I literally couldn't get off the couch. I

22:22

did all seven episodes. Godzilla Kong, the

22:25

new empire is at five. Well done. You

22:27

are learning. You are there with the

22:29

kids. Godzilla Kong, not Godzilla X Kong. At number

22:31

four in the UK and number four. It was

22:34

interesting because when this came out, you said, I

22:36

think this is going to be one of the

22:38

films of the year. It is

22:40

certainly one of the talking point films of the

22:42

year. I have now had three

22:45

separate conversations with people, one of

22:47

whom absolutely loved it, one of whom absolutely

22:49

hated it, and one of them who was

22:51

going to go and see it again because

22:54

they had only realized halfway through that it wasn't the

22:56

film that was advertised in the trailer. I

22:58

do think this, I think it's a really interesting film. There are

23:00

great, great things in it. I think

23:03

the trailer miss sells it and I think

23:05

that's one of the problems. It's not a

23:07

Marvel movie. I mean, it's obviously

23:10

with everything that's going on in America at the

23:12

moment, it kind of looks closer to a documentary.

23:14

But I have some reservations about it, but I

23:16

think it is going to carry on being a

23:18

talking point. Yes. Kung Fu

23:20

Panda 4 is at three. And there will be Kung Fu.

23:24

Kung Fu Panda 4. Kung

23:27

Fu Panda. Kung Fu Panda.

23:29

I would pay to see that franchise. Trying hard

23:31

Panda, Volume 5. We'll look forward to that one.

23:33

And number two is Back to Back. See

23:37

again, I've had conversations with

23:39

people about this and I know it's

23:41

not a documentary. If you want a documentary, the acid

23:43

capadri doc is out there and I think it's very

23:45

good. As

23:48

a pop biopics aficionado, I think Back

23:50

to Back is fine. I

23:52

don't think it's great, but I don't think it's terrible. I

23:54

think it's got a very, very good central performance. I

23:57

think the most remarkable thing

23:59

about it. is how unremarkable

24:02

it is. I mean,

24:04

as in it's not bad. It's

24:06

full of choppy moments, but then so

24:09

is the Buddy Holly story, and so are all

24:11

the films I have set. I think it's funny,

24:13

and it has done pretty well at the box

24:15

office. So despite the fact there was all this

24:17

stuff where it came out, people were outraged and

24:20

tabloid newspapers were faffing

24:22

about it, it's done fine. It's

24:25

just fine. Number one here, and number one

24:27

in America as well is challenges. Starring

24:30

Josh O'Connor, who you will hear from very shortly.

24:32

Anna says, last night I went to see challenges

24:34

packed cinema in Edinburgh. I was slightly skeptical as

24:36

I had seen the trailer for it on previous

24:38

cinema trips and thought it looked a bit naff.

24:40

After hearing Mark's review of my partner seeing lots of

24:43

rave reviews on TikTok, we decided to go and see

24:45

for ourselves. As a 22-year-old girl,

24:47

I think I'm probably the target demographic for

24:49

this film, but I simply couldn't get over

24:51

the silliness of it. The changes

24:53

in camera angles, the intense close-ups, and the backing

24:55

music that cuts in and out of the last

24:57

scene was just ridiculous. Thanks

24:59

for the show. You entertain me on my way to

25:02

hospital every Friday. I'm a medical student, not ill. Anna,

25:05

thank you for the clarification. Liz

25:07

Handley says, this

25:10

is not a romance. Yes, it's a juicy

25:12

love triangle, but one

25:14

that's purposefully teased into existence by

25:16

Tashi, played by Zendaya, to

25:19

chase a higher peak experience. Peak

25:21

experience in this film answers the

25:23

question, what is sport even for?

25:25

It's not winning, it's living. Sport

25:27

here is a vehicle to induce

25:29

a primordial, life-affirming yelp, which Tashi

25:32

achieves twice in the film. This

25:34

vaunted state is possible only in

25:36

motion, whether interpersonal or on the

25:38

court. These characters twist and turn,

25:40

love and hate, with a back and forth

25:42

that makes heavyweight boxing look tame. To be

25:44

at the peak of their powers, they

25:47

need each other to be tangled in

25:49

a mix of aggression, competition, jealousy, and

25:51

desire. There's lots more from Liz, but

25:53

she likes it. So that email is

25:55

from who? Liz Handley, who then says,

25:58

talks about it being a yummy... love triangle,

26:00

glistening, sweaty, sexy version of tennis.

26:03

Okay. If you're not a professional

26:05

film critic now, you

26:07

need to give up whatever it is that you're doing

26:09

and become a professional film critic now. I mean, that's

26:12

brilliantly written. And yeah, I wish

26:15

I'd said all of that. That

26:17

is a really, really good description of

26:19

the film. She also says, never has

26:21

a half smile been so devilish and

26:23

winning as that of Josh O'Connor's. It

26:25

is the centrifugal force between one to

26:27

the other that escalates and heightens anyway,

26:30

and so on. So it's fantastic.

26:32

And you'll hear from Josh O'Connor. Yeah, I

26:34

feel very, very insufficient.

26:37

Mark, you are sufficient for

26:40

all our needs. I'm

26:43

Ken off. Look, look, look what I got given as

26:45

a present to

26:47

Kendall. Oh, right. To Kendall

26:49

telling me that I am Ken off. Well,

26:51

it's a very, very lovely thought and leads

26:53

us as it's slightly whimsical into the laughter

26:56

lift. What a lovely thing this is going

26:58

to be. Dee

27:01

dee dee dee dee dee dee. Hey, Mark. I

27:05

was in a pub in Showbiz, North

27:07

London last week. A

27:09

B flat, a B

27:11

flat, an E flat and a G flat walked

27:13

in the bar and says, sorry, lads, we don't

27:15

serve minors. I

27:18

already don't believe this. Thank you. It's a

27:20

fun evening, actually. Aunt Beatrice was back from

27:22

her travels across Africa. She was full

27:25

of anecdotes and travel advice. Do you know how you

27:27

get down from an elephant, dearie? She said, I said,

27:29

no, I don't. And she said, well, you don't you

27:31

get down from a goose. I

27:35

wish she'd stayed in Africa. I got her back though. Aunt

27:38

Beatrice, I said, what do you call a Frenchman who's

27:40

being mauled by a lion? No

27:42

idea. She says, Claude, I said,

27:45

no need to groan, Mark. Um, you

27:47

can relax. You can stay positive. Just think in 3026 years, life

27:50

will either be really good

27:53

or really bad. Don't worry. You won't be

27:55

there to know it's 50 50.

27:58

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you. Challenges we've been talking about as

29:57

well. Anyway, he's come on to talk

29:59

about it. The Eaten by was gonna

30:01

come out next week month be reviewing it

30:03

next week stem you'll hear him talk about

30:05

his character assets, the movies lucky Mera and

30:08

you'll hear from Just a canal to discuss.

30:16

What they're doing Mates and see important.

30:19

Lesson like are classic are

30:21

spread this earth. At

30:24

the Artist tiny Costs in New Orleans. Indeed,

30:30

the wish to be eternally. Nothing

30:32

could be lost. And

30:35

that is a clip from Like He Matter.

30:38

That. I can write the seated as starring

30:40

just gonna and I'm just puzzled over the

30:42

princess because I've always had like is not

30:44

that I used to it very often but

30:47

I've always said simmer But because this is

30:49

Italian, this is a hard see yeah oil

30:51

I done. If it's because it's attack, I've

30:54

just been told that's how it is. Okay.

30:56

Or yeah, I. Guess so I mean

30:59

I think or is your film so you

31:01

can play at it's anyhow you lousy at

31:03

lacking our lack summarily objects and lucky mirror.

31:06

Is. Am. right?

31:09

Some reading this have yet to see

31:11

goat to have from southeast of cdc

31:13

Greek mythology composed of different animal parts,

31:15

usually depicted as a lion with ahead

31:17

of a goat protruding from it's back,

31:19

occasionally depicted with dragons, wings and a

31:22

tail. the my end with a snake's

31:24

head. Which. Would be the

31:26

worst. Description. of the film

31:28

had sort of so of nothing about us but

31:30

I did the same you know when i was

31:32

free certain the film one of the first things

31:35

i did as like what. So.

31:37

What the hell is. A Camaro. This

31:40

and is I did exact the

31:42

same thing I'm found. the exact

31:44

Is it the same description? which

31:46

is but it also means and

31:48

more importantly for some means a

31:50

camera is. A.

31:53

Suit have an idea of

31:55

a utopia of like something

31:57

that you desire. a sense

31:59

me So the description of

32:02

this kind of hybrid beast

32:05

does come from the Etruscans,

32:07

which is also an

32:09

aspect of the film, but

32:11

really it's like

32:14

an almost... It's something that

32:16

you comprehend as being utopian. Okay,

32:19

so don't go and see Joshua Gunner's new

32:21

movie if you think it's going to be

32:23

some kind of marvel. Yeah, it's

32:25

not that. It's not beasts and ancient creatures.

32:28

You will be severely disappointed. You

32:30

will be. So let's find out about the

32:33

film itself. I just want to

32:35

talk about the director first of all. And again,

32:37

I need to get the pronunciation right. She's Italian

32:40

and it looks like Alice Rorvacker, but

32:42

it's Elice Rorvacker. Yeah, perfect. Okay. And

32:45

you love her. You love her work.

32:47

So tell us about Elice and why you wanted

32:49

to work with her so much. Well,

32:53

so the

32:55

story goes that I have a

32:57

younger brother who doesn't,

33:01

as far as I know, often go to the cinema, but

33:03

he would, as a kind of sweet way of

33:05

engaging with me, would kind of call me and

33:07

say, I went to the movies. But

33:12

oftentimes it would be sort of

33:14

standard and exciting, but standard

33:16

movie-going experiences. And one day he called me

33:18

and said, I've gone... I just went

33:20

to cinema and I saw an Italian

33:22

film, which piqued my interest. And

33:24

he said he loved it and it was

33:26

called Happy as Lazzaro. And so I

33:28

went, I think the same day

33:30

or the day after, to see the movie. And

33:34

Happy as Lazzaro, if you haven't seen it,

33:36

is I think a

33:38

masterpiece and it's kind of

33:41

magical realism that feels grounded

33:43

in truth and in sort

33:45

of elements of spirituality and faith and

33:49

themes that I really am drawn

33:51

to anyway. And

33:54

so I became obsessed And

33:56

within a couple of days I'd watched it. The

34:00

Wonders of Film. Previous. That

34:02

which is also magical corpus

34:04

last which was her first

34:06

feature a short films am.

34:09

And. I wrote a letter. I write this

34:11

letter saying elite I'd love to up with

34:13

you or your fantastic few inhabited Dean Atkins

34:15

thing but not know, don't really I mean

34:17

I I like writing letters but I did

34:19

not. Does he live out in the woods?

34:21

Someone will? This is the problem. So then

34:23

I write this letter and cool made him

34:25

saying how do we get the stuff and

34:27

he ten they were like good lot of

34:29

she doesn't have an agent no no socialists

34:31

but I got I got some. It

34:34

I. Got some intel This he

34:36

lives. In or fiasco. Oh.

34:38

No, I think initially and Umbria. Which.

34:41

Is a massive harvest next? So I

34:43

sent. A letter in

34:45

titles Elites hero, Vaca. Italy.

34:49

Posted and then I sent another one. whistle

34:51

take us as ridiculous and then I sense

34:53

it's Umbria again. But this notion that someone

34:55

would see at the post office and know

34:58

someone who knows someone in this and make

35:00

a whole movie. I know Anyway, she never

35:02

see the lesser than just by chance. We

35:04

met up as is pointing movie that wouldn't

35:07

work here. I didn't work out why they

35:09

wouldn't be thrilling. Snazzy sex scene is an

35:11

ancient post he did be delivering d Outlet

35:14

and she goes. Only I'd already cost someone

35:16

now. Van Nuys, I won't be yes. Exactly

35:18

what would. Have been perfect as if

35:20

seat we'd made all maybe and then

35:22

years later she'd received the letter. Okay

35:24

that's even better than that. I'm I'm

35:26

like this one that so you play

35:29

are set of the British archaeologist tell

35:31

us about him because the way you've

35:33

just described. Her

35:35

past work. With i think

35:37

help eliminate why he wanted playoff

35:39

and the kind of film that

35:42

this is said to the spending

35:44

Well ah sir is a as

35:46

face and he's an archaeologist British

35:48

archaeologist. He. I'm and beginning

35:51

of the film. He's. just

35:53

been released having spent some time in

35:55

prison in the eighties and as he

35:57

years prior to this that but in

36:00

the 80s it was rife

36:02

in Italy, this idea of

36:04

the tombraoli, which is tomb raiders,

36:07

and not in the sense that we know. Literally

36:11

people going around in Italy, going

36:13

to old Etruscan tombs, which are

36:15

readily available, particularly in Umbria and

36:17

Lazio region, and

36:20

they're digging up these tombs and finding

36:23

these beautiful ceramics and objects,

36:26

and then they would sell them

36:28

on the black market to the

36:31

British Museum, Metropolitan Art Museum,

36:33

very notable art

36:35

museums and history museums. It

36:38

was big business. In our

36:40

film, Arthur is this British or

36:43

failed archaeologist really, who has

36:46

found his home in Italy through

36:48

his fiancée who prior to

36:51

the film has died, and

36:54

he's in this kind

36:56

of strange void between the

36:59

real world, the life he leads, and

37:03

the void, the afterlife, the

37:05

unseen, which is where his fiancée,

37:08

Ben Yamina, is. And he's feeling

37:10

this pull to the afterlife,

37:13

and this kind of question of what

37:15

he's doing, is it right? And

37:18

I can go into great length about that, but the Etruscans

37:21

essentially buried themselves with all their

37:23

worldly possessions because they thought it

37:26

was an aspect of their soul, and so the idea

37:28

of digging up an aspect of

37:31

their soul is problematic. It's blasphemy.

37:33

Why were you in prison? For

37:36

doing dealing. So

37:41

my understanding is when you looked at

37:43

the script, you thought that there was

37:45

something otherworldly about the script. You talked

37:47

about magical realism relating to her previous

37:49

work. So did you think this was

37:51

magical realism as well? Yes. Yeah. Although,

37:53

I mean, it's interesting. So Arthur

37:56

has a very- Because it could be the way you're describing

37:58

it. Yes. And Arthur has this very skill

38:02

which you see in the movie

38:04

and and Ellen Luvada, cinematographer and

38:06

Elice kind of manipulated this

38:08

with the way that they shot the

38:10

movie. Arthur has a very particular skill

38:13

where he can he

38:15

takes a

38:17

stick and he can sense like

38:21

divining rods but he can sense

38:24

the void and so it's definitely

38:26

magical realism. Of

38:28

course when you work with Elice there

38:31

is this feeling that anything is

38:33

possible and actually there's nothing magical

38:36

about it everything feels incredibly real

38:39

and so you know everyone

38:42

in her films they're all local they're not they're

38:44

non-professional they're plumbers they're

38:46

electricians in the village and they've been in

38:48

all of her movies and they pop up

38:50

everywhere. So the grimy scavengers you hang out

38:52

with? Yeah I wouldn't

38:54

say that. Two of them are farmers

38:56

one of them is an electrician one

38:59

of them is the

39:01

best plumber in Lazio according to

39:03

him. So

39:05

you know that and they're beautiful souls

39:08

and great people but

39:10

you know I went and met someone who

39:13

does water divining is that what we call it? And

39:18

there's nothing you know the

39:20

idea that you can divine out a

39:22

trust consumes and souls to them is

39:24

very real and so whilst

39:27

it is magical realism there's also

39:29

a sense that it's that

39:32

the unseen is as real as the

39:34

scene. To English ears

39:37

your Italian sounds fantastic. To

39:39

English ears yes maybe. So

39:43

why did they want you you would

39:45

think that they might have cast in Italian? Well

39:48

yeah I mean the character is

39:50

definitely English and there is a there

39:53

are elements of sort of there's

39:56

I think it's very funny and humorous that he

39:59

speaks Italian. but not brilliantly. It sounds

40:01

great. Yeah, and it sounds good. And I,

40:03

you know, I spent a

40:05

long, very long time working on

40:07

my Italian and, and it was an important part

40:09

of the role. And so I

40:12

got, I got to a stage where it was reasons

40:15

that even the Italians think it was

40:17

passable. How did you live while you were making

40:19

this film? In my camper

40:21

van. Now, I read

40:25

an interview with Isabella Rossellini, who plays the

40:27

woman who would have been your, she's the

40:29

mother of Ben Umani, of your fiance. She

40:31

lived in a hotel. She said it was,

40:34

she said it was a bit primitive, but it was nice. I

40:36

kind of think primitive for Isabella Rossellini is

40:38

going to be fine. So why didn't you

40:40

stay there? Why are you in your camper

40:43

van? Well, you're Josh O'Connor. Come on.

40:46

Well, I really like my camper van. That's the first

40:48

thing I should say. To

40:50

me, it's luxurious. I mean, it kind of is the

40:53

nicest camper van imaginable. But

40:56

also, and I was in

40:58

Italy, and it was, I think

41:00

sometimes people

41:02

jump from, you know, that, that

41:05

thing of reading an interview and it's like Josh

41:07

O'Connor lived in his camper van during the making

41:09

of La Kimera. And then I

41:11

think people think it's some sort of method thing.

41:14

It's not. I

41:17

just, it was really nice. And Alice

41:20

had this great spot. And also, you know,

41:22

Alice lives truly on the

41:24

side of a hill. It's completely

41:26

self-sufficient. Grows are own vegetables. You

41:29

know, when I arrived there, I was

41:31

parked up on Lake Balsena. It's idyllic.

41:34

And Alice would come in

41:36

the mornings with vegetables from her allotment and

41:38

her garden and meat from her neighbor and

41:40

milk from her neighbor. You know, it

41:43

sounds more far fetched than it actually

41:45

is when you're there. And it was,

41:48

I loved it. See, when

41:50

you talk about it, it reminds me of,

41:52

you say it's not method, but it's the

41:54

kind of approach that Daniel Day-Lewis would have.

41:56

So I think you're the new Daniel Day-Lewis.

41:58

I mean, I'd take that. Great. If

42:01

that's what it is. But your preparation, I

42:03

was reading this in Wall Street Journal magazine

42:06

that's got you on the

42:08

cover. Looking fantastic. By the way,

42:10

you'll see why I'm mentioning this. They

42:12

introduce you, very hunky photographs. The

42:15

new outlaw, British actor Josh O'Connor, starred

42:17

as a, and I'm quoting here, a

42:19

Ted Dibley uptight Prince Charles in the

42:21

crown. Then Zendaya asked him to

42:24

tennis. What's a Ted Dibley uptight Prince

42:26

Charles? I don't know. I haven't read

42:28

this. I've looked it up. I can't find any

42:30

reference to Ted Dibley. Is

42:32

that a relative of Vickyroff? That's

42:36

where the Google takes you, obviously, but Ted

42:38

and Dibley are both in lowercase. So

42:40

I don't know. It must be an American thing.

42:43

It must be an Americanism. I don't know what

42:45

that means. In

42:47

that they're talking about the challenges,

42:49

obviously, but they're talking about the

42:51

thing that you have in common

42:53

with tennis players, which you need

42:55

not particularly interested in tennis, is

42:58

your obsession with process and preparation and that you have

43:00

a scrapbook. This is where I was going with the

43:02

Daniel Day Lewis thing. In

43:05

your process and preparation, that's part of the

43:07

campervan and living out there. Did you have

43:09

a scrapbook for this? I did, yeah. What's

43:11

in your scrapbook for Lackey? For Lackey Mara,

43:14

it's probably the most

43:16

substantial scrapbook I've ever made for a

43:18

fellow. Maybe alongside God's

43:20

Own Country. It all started with God's Own Country.

43:22

Francis Lee, who's very brilliant,

43:26

was suggesting all sorts of things

43:28

for me to do on that film, one of which

43:30

was the scrapbook. I've kept up pretty

43:33

much every job. Lackey Mara's one is full

43:37

of drawings and of

43:39

Etruscan pots and tombs.

43:42

There's all sorts of very ornate Etruscan

43:44

designs that I've got. There's a poem,

43:47

an Italian poem. There's a few

43:49

other poems, a Mary Oliver

43:51

poem that I love for it. When you're a kid,

43:53

you make a scrapbook on holiday. This is an old-fashioned

43:56

scrapbook. It's not an online scrapbook. You're cutting things out

43:58

and sticking them in. It's cutting them out. sticking

44:00

them in. There's other things, I

44:04

have pieces of material

44:06

from the ground, so like moss and

44:08

I've got a very particular type of blue where you

44:11

can stick dirt into it. The

44:13

dirt's really interesting because the dirt is

44:15

so diverse in colour depending

44:17

on which region of Italy you're in. So

44:20

it's a book of mud and

44:22

fauna and gornet. Do

44:24

your fellow actors find it intriguing?

44:28

I don't know. It's actually a very private

44:30

thing, so I often don't, I mean I

44:32

certainly don't show anyone

44:35

it. It's just for you.

44:37

It's just for me, yeah. Josh

44:39

O'Connor's new movie is La Cimaire and

44:42

it's fantastic. Josh, thank you very much indeed

44:44

for coming in and we look forward to

44:46

all your future work. That

44:49

really is like the first part of the Josh O'Connor

44:51

conversation because he was fascinating. As you can tell from

44:53

that, he's just got loads of

44:56

interesting things to say and since

44:59

recording the interview Mark, I've worked out what

45:01

the Wall Street Journal have done when

45:05

they talked about this and it's in

45:07

lowercase Ted, T-E-D hyphen dibbly, uptight Prince

45:09

Charles. So I think, and he didn't

45:11

get it, but I showed this to

45:13

Matt at Greatest Six Red and he

45:16

read it out and when you read

45:18

it out loud, what they're trying to

45:20

say is they're trying to do aristocratic

45:22

English. So it's supposed to be, he

45:24

said terribly uptight Prince Charles. So

45:27

you're, but

45:30

by putting the hyphen in the middle, you're

45:32

completely taken away anyway. So I think it

45:34

was Wall Street Journal's fault and not mine.

45:40

Oh, I see. Ted Dibbly,

45:42

I mean, I'm sure anyway.

45:44

So you haven't seen La

45:46

Cimaire yet, have you? I

45:48

did think, as he said, is it a character

45:51

from Vicar of Dibbly? Because what else could it

45:53

possibly be? Yes, Ted Dibbly, I mean, it must

45:55

be. Anyway, so

45:58

you haven't seen La Cimaire. yet.

46:00

No, no, I'm reviewing it next week. I'm gonna say

46:02

I am a huge Josh O'Connor fan. I'm and I

46:04

think he's I mean, we were talking about his processing

46:07

comparing it to Daniel's A-Loose. I don't think that's it,

46:09

you know, that's a foolish comparison at all because I

46:11

think there's a reason that he is as good as

46:13

he is in in

46:16

films and this because he does the prep and he's a really

46:18

good actor and he works really hard. I can listen to him

46:20

talk all day. I think he's great. I think he's just great.

46:23

I just love the idea of him writing

46:25

to a Leche Rorvacher. Anyway, so now what

46:27

was pretty about that story is the punchline

46:34

which was she didn't get the letter. I

46:39

know that's why it doesn't make the movie I think. So

46:41

anyway, look if you're not a Vanguard Easter, if you are

46:43

a Vanguard Easter you can hear the second part of that

46:45

interview anyway and if you're not a Vanguard Easter it's worth

46:48

getting on board to just hear the second part of Josh

46:50

O'Connor because he's got lots of interesting things

46:52

to say and because we just talked for

46:54

a long time. Much to the annoyance I

46:57

think of his people but then he had

46:59

been late so I wasn't too upset about that. Anyway,

47:01

so yeah, Leche Rorvacher will be reviewed next week. What

47:04

have we got for this week? Okay, so the

47:06

idea review which is available

47:09

now as of yesterday on streaming

47:14

on Prime, it's on Prime Video, this premiere

47:16

at South by Southwest where it was the

47:18

closing night film so it's not quite good

47:20

premiere but now straight to Prime Video. This

47:22

is the new sort of

47:24

rom-com from Michael Showalter who's actor-director comedian who's best

47:26

known for directing The Big Sick which I really

47:28

really liked and The Eyes of Tammy Faye

47:30

for which did you interview Jessica Chastain for The

47:33

Eyes of Tammy Faye? That could

47:36

well be the case. I've

47:39

interviewed her a couple of times yes and I think one of them would

47:42

have been for that. So many famous

47:44

people and it is. Anyway, so the

47:47

director this is adapted from a novel by Robin

47:49

Lee which I haven't read but which has been

47:51

dismissively described as Harry Styles fan fiction. The

47:54

script is co-written by Jennifer

47:56

Westfeld to current song Kissing

47:58

Jessica Chastain. And so

48:01

Anne Hathaway and Nicholas,

48:03

I think it's Galatine, I'm

48:06

sure everybody's shouting his name at me but I

48:08

think that's how it's pronounced, Latrowhoom was a

48:10

joke in that brilliantly raucous LGBT

48:13

high school satire Bottoms, which

48:16

we got a lot of mileage over what did

48:18

the title mean. Anne Hathaway is

48:20

a 40 year old single mum art gallery owner

48:22

Slen Who, due to her ex's

48:25

uselessness he's run off with a younger woman,

48:28

ends up having to take her teenage daughter to

48:30

Coachella. He has bought

48:32

a VIP meet and greet ticket for

48:34

the boy band August Moon, who the

48:36

daughter used to love, but

48:39

now they think that August

48:41

Moon are so seventh grade. But

48:44

then when Slen accidentally walks into

48:46

the trailer of Hayes Campbell, who

48:48

is the sort of Harry Styles-ish

48:51

heartthrob of the boy, oh they're

48:53

all heartthrobs, she thinks it's

48:55

the Lou. Because she's told her that

48:57

the VIP toilets are over there over by those

48:59

trailers and she goes into the trailer, she thinks

49:01

it's the Lou, it's actually his trailer. She

49:04

doesn't notice that he's a

49:06

pop star, he immediately takes a shot into

49:08

her. Not least because she doesn't immediately notice

49:10

that he's a pop star. He

49:12

then turns up at a gallery, buys

49:14

everything in the gallery and then

49:16

gets her to take him to Glendale to see

49:18

if he can buzz him away. She says, what

49:21

are you doing? Here's a clip. I feel like

49:23

I don't meet people like you very often. Most

49:25

people think they already know me. Hayes

49:29

Campbell, he's not me. I

49:33

don't know, he didn't seem to care. And

49:36

for what it's worth, I think we met in a

49:38

very interesting way. I

49:42

think you're smart and you

49:45

know, you're also just,

49:48

you're hot or whatever. Hot.

49:52

Or whatever. So

49:54

I guess what I'm doing here is trying to get to

49:57

know you better. I

50:00

do appreciate your honesty. Just

50:02

in case anybody didn't hear, whilst we were

50:05

watching that clip, when he said, I guess

50:07

what I'm doing here is, and Simon Leo

50:09

interjected, being annoying. On

50:12

the way that's, it's kind

50:14

of the point, right? Is that he's a young guy

50:16

in a boy band and she's a grown woman and

50:18

she says to him, I'm old enough to be your

50:20

mum. And he says, yes, but you're not my mum.

50:24

And then one thing leads to another.

50:26

And when it does, the fact that

50:28

she is older than him causes

50:30

everybody to lose their minds. The

50:32

fans, the ex-husband, the daughter, and

50:35

the media. She's told to stay

50:38

off media. There's one thing when she

50:40

opens a computer and there's a headline,

50:42

Hayes called her Cougar and the picture of the two of

50:45

them, and she screams and slaps them, the laptop shut, which

50:48

did make me laugh. And she says at

50:50

one point, look, I fell for the idea of you. At

50:52

which point, of course, if you remember that society, everybody applauds

50:54

and leaves alone on streaming so that you don't even leave

50:56

in your own house. So I have no point in doing

50:58

that. It's

51:01

not on a pole with big sick. You

51:03

know, it's, it is absolutely cheese on toast.

51:05

And I think that, that clip gave

51:07

you a sense of it, which is why you set

51:09

out loud. What I'm doing here is being annoying. However,

51:14

it does have a point, which is

51:16

why are people so alarmed by the

51:18

older woman romance? I mean, you

51:20

know, think of every single film you've seen in

51:22

which it's a 40 year old man and

51:25

a younger woman, nobody bats an eyelid.

51:28

So behind the fluff and the cheese

51:30

and the nonsense, there is some, there is

51:32

something going on and there is, there

51:35

is some decent stuff about the fact that she realizes

51:37

that it can't work, but she swept up in the

51:40

idea of it. It's also got some good

51:42

lines. There's, there's a couple of

51:44

things I did laugh at. So there's a

51:46

moment when her daughter says, mom, why would

51:48

you break up with a talented kind feminist? Did

51:51

I just get made

51:53

as a t-shirt? Did

51:55

I not warn you people hate happy women? And another

51:57

thing in which is a headline in which she's being

51:59

called. go code 2.0. I mean, it

52:02

is, it is fluff. But if

52:04

you think about Anne Hathaway's recent projects, she

52:07

was in Eileen, she was in Mother's Instinct, she's in

52:09

this, I mean, you cannot accuse her of not walking

52:11

the full length of the counter. And I think the

52:13

fact that this has gone to streaming is probably, probably

52:16

exactly right. It's, you

52:18

know, it's a kind of sweet natured rom-com with

52:21

a, with a bit of an edge because the

52:23

thing that it's saying is why

52:25

is this such a terrible thing? And I

52:27

actually quite like the idea that the central

52:29

character knows from the outset that it's, you

52:32

know, that it's

52:34

not going to work. The film

52:36

is still a fairy tale fan fiction thing element and

52:38

actually, weirdly enough from a narrative point of view, they're

52:41

quite clever about how they work that out. But

52:43

it's fluff, but I kind of, I was kind

52:45

of charmed by it in an odd way. I

52:47

mean, I love, you know, I love rom-coms anyway,

52:49

and I love a bit of cheese

52:52

on toast is always good. And I like Anne Hathaway.

52:54

So yeah, you can stream it on Prime. Okay,

52:59

very good. Now, we

53:02

are what's on feature has become a monthly

53:04

feature just so we're condensing everything. So here

53:06

comes our May edition, what's on

53:08

this is, as I'm sure you will be aware

53:10

by now, is where you send

53:12

us information about anything interesting of a

53:15

cinematic nature that's happening near you something that

53:17

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53:19

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you've got no idea what we're talking about. Here

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are a few of our listeners telling you stuff.

53:26

Hi Simon and Mark, this is Phil Edwards from

53:28

the Manchester International Crime and Justice Film

53:30

Festival, which runs from the 8th of

53:33

May to the 15th of July at

53:35

Manchester Metropolitan University. Our programme includes Andrew

53:37

Hage's Leenon Peat, French urban drama Les

53:39

Miserables, not that one, and the UK

53:41

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See you at the movies. Hello Simon

53:57

and Mark, this is Michael, programmer for

53:59

Dunded. a horror and cult film festival

54:01

based in Dundee, Scotland from Thursday 16th to

54:04

Sunday 19th of May. We've

54:06

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54:10

the UK premiere of Spider Horror Sting

54:13

and a retrospective strand themed around slasher

54:15

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54:17

of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. All our

54:19

details can be found on DCA's website

54:22

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54:24

Film Festival Manchester which grew out of

54:26

Mark's Fair for a cinema that Arden

54:29

Hume. We return in May the 10th, the 12th

54:31

to the 18th at Mini Cine

54:33

Juicy Street Warehouse and at Institute

54:36

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54:38

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54:40

and tickets available at www.kinofilm.org.uk. Hello

54:43

signer Mark, Peter Brandon returning again

54:45

and I want to tell fellow

54:48

listeners all about the Rumpford Film

54:50

Festival which has taken place 24th

54:52

to 28th of May at Premiere Cinema

54:54

in Rumpford. The programme will contain shorts

54:57

and features from across the world including

54:59

the whole day of horror on the

55:01

Saturday and for counter programming on that

55:03

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55:05

we'll be screening the longest ever 250-minute

55:07

cut of Once Upon a Time in

55:09

America. Info and tickets can be found

55:12

at rumpfordfilmfestival.com. A little bit different this

55:14

my name is David Wood and I'm

55:16

in a band called Alchemy Relived where

55:18

we play rock songs featured in well-known

55:20

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55:22

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55:25

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55:31

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55:34

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55:36

Phil Edwards from Manchester

55:39

International Crime and Justice Festival, Michael from

55:41

Dun Dead Horror Cult Film Festival, Richard

55:44

from Kino Film Festival, Peter Blundon from Rumpford

55:46

Film Festival, David Wood from Alchemy Relived. That's

55:48

the general thing and thank you

55:50

very much indeed for all the information if

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there is something happening near you for

55:55

what comes after May well that'll be June.

55:58

Send your audio tray I mean it says

56:00

here 20 seconds, but I don't think anyone took any notice of

56:02

that. It's like saying to Mark, you've got two

56:05

minutes to review a film. No

56:07

chance. So this could be anywhere in

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56:11

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kirbinameo.com. And we're back. Go

56:16

on. Two quick points. I

56:18

really wonder which track they're playing from an officer in general.

56:20

I wonder whether they're going for, you know, Lovelift or something,

56:22

whether they're going for like Tush or like Creep Me Right

56:24

or something like that. And the second thing,

56:26

the Albans. Well, I

56:28

mean, I mean, I've got a copy of

56:31

an officer in general soundtrack on vinyl and I

56:33

just, I love all of it. So any of

56:35

them is fine. The other thing is the Albans

56:37

cinema and I have checked this with John Ronson.

56:39

It didn't make this up. It's absolutely true. You

56:41

come out the Albans cinema at 11 o'clock at

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night, you would get chased through Hume by packs

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of wild dogs. That was a cinema. Back

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it was that a woman named Cora, the man

59:18

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59:20

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59:34

New body they were joined by the

59:36

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59:44

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59:49

his lieutenant, Nelis. In

59:52

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59:54

of Gondavar, Cora triumphed over Admiral

59:56

Nogel, leaving his shattered body from

59:58

the wrong place. The

1:00:02

victorious warriors returned devout to

1:00:04

collect their pay. The

1:00:07

threat of the dreadnought extinguished. Or

1:00:13

so they believed. Guaranteed

1:00:17

that when Sir Anthony

1:00:19

Hopkins got to the bit about the

1:00:21

Colosseum of Pollux, he

1:00:24

said, is this right? Am

1:00:27

I supposed to say this? I

1:00:29

mean that was astonishing, wasn't it? I

1:00:32

kind of want to go watch Rebel Moon 2 now. No, I

1:00:35

don't. I

1:00:39

quote your line about Rebel Moon. You

1:00:44

said it's the most unoriginal, original

1:00:46

screenplay you'd ever come across. Yes.

1:00:49

Well, you know, we'll talk about Phantom Menace in Take

1:00:52

Two. And he

1:00:54

got a lot of flag appropriately for that

1:00:57

long scroll, which he has got so much

1:00:59

narration in it. But in

1:01:01

comparison, I'd prefer to read a scroll

1:01:03

and hear Sir Anthony do that. The

1:01:06

Colosseum of Pollux, that

1:01:09

is really... wow. Spinal

1:01:12

tap time, that is. Anyway,

1:01:14

Terry, thank you very much indeed. Okay, so

1:01:16

let's get you another movie review. What are

1:01:18

we going to see now? Okay, The Fall

1:01:21

Guys, which is in cinemas, including IMAX. Some

1:01:23

people may remember 80s TV

1:01:25

show with Lee Majors as a stuntman.

1:01:28

I think he moonlighted as a bounty hunter. Anyway,

1:01:31

this is very little in common

1:01:33

with that. This is directed by

1:01:35

stuntman turned director David Leech, who

1:01:37

played a key role on John

1:01:39

Wick and then went on to

1:01:41

do... Atomic Blonde, Dead Bullet Train. Directed

1:01:44

by a script by Drew Pierce, whose

1:01:46

credits include writing and directing Hotel Artemis,

1:01:48

for which I think you interviewed Jodie

1:01:50

Foster about that, although you've interviewed so

1:01:53

many celebrities, it's kind of hard to

1:01:55

remember. Ryan Gosling is stuntman cult-seepers.

1:01:57

His main gig is doubling for a movie

1:01:59

stunt. Tom Ryder, played by Aaron Taylor

1:02:01

Johnson. The stunt goes wrong. He's injured,

1:02:03

he retreats into silence, he abandons the

1:02:06

movies, and he turns his back on

1:02:08

his girlfriend. This is camera operator Jodie,

1:02:10

played by Emily Budd. Fast

1:02:12

forward, I think it's 18 months. She's

1:02:14

now a director working on a science

1:02:16

fiction action adventure called Metalstorm. This is

1:02:18

going to be her big break. He's

1:02:21

parking cars in a Mexican restaurant, but he gets a

1:02:23

call from the producer, which is Gail, played

1:02:25

by Hannah Waddingham, who said, oh, you'll need

1:02:27

it. And Jodie's asked for you. And

1:02:30

he says, well, I've retired from the movies, I don't do

1:02:32

this anymore. She says, no, no, but she needs you. You're

1:02:34

the only person who can save it. So he goes, okay,

1:02:36

fine, because he thinks he's at the chance to get things

1:02:38

back on track, but when he gets to the set, he

1:02:40

discovers that he hasn't been asked for

1:02:43

by Jodie. And in fact, she's kind of surprised to see

1:02:45

him. He's a clip. I'm gonna be sick. You've

1:02:47

got this, you're the one. Why are you

1:02:49

gonna say that? Why are you gonna say that? You've done this the most

1:02:52

in time. And so have you, you know, you just jinxed it. It's

1:02:56

a thing to take down. I need to drive it in the

1:02:58

car now, please. Okay, the car is coming up. Thank you so

1:03:00

much. Appreciate you. Is that Jodie? Yes, it's

1:03:02

Jodie. She

1:03:04

say something about me? Stop

1:03:06

with your face. Stop it. Stop it. She

1:03:09

didn't say anything about me. Turn

1:03:11

the car. While that clip was playing, Mark.

1:03:13

Yes. I just checked on IMDB and

1:03:16

the Jodie Foster interview was for Money

1:03:18

Monster in 2016. Oh, right, right, right.

1:03:21

That's what it was for. Okay, fine, fine, fine.

1:03:24

All right, so turns out that the star, the

1:03:27

Tom's gone missing. Gail thinks

1:03:29

that our man, Colt, can stand in for

1:03:31

him to save the movie. But Jodie, who

1:03:33

hadn't asked for him to be there, he's

1:03:36

really sore because he went silent on a... So?

1:03:39

No, the two of them put together again. She's now

1:03:41

the director. He's the stuntman, so she decides that, you

1:03:43

know, she'll punish him by getting them to do loads

1:03:45

and loads of scenes in which he's sat on fire

1:03:47

and thrown against rock because she can. And if you've

1:03:49

seen the trailer, that's kind of the sort of setup.

1:03:52

There was talk of adapting the

1:03:55

full guy way, way back. I think

1:03:57

about 10 years ago, Jean Dwayne Johnson.

1:04:00

was sort of meant to be doing it. I

1:04:02

don't know what would have happened with that. What I

1:04:04

can tell you is I doubt it would have been

1:04:06

half as much fun as this. The

1:04:09

film's been described as an homage to stunt people.

1:04:11

It's in the Guinness Book of Records already because

1:04:14

it has got the most cannon rolls for a

1:04:16

car. It's got eight and a half cannon rolls.

1:04:18

I think the previous record was like eight or

1:04:20

something. Cannon roll is when you have a

1:04:22

thing which knocks the car over and then it flips and rolls.

1:04:26

And the stunt action stuff is good. I saw

1:04:28

a screening of it in the IMAX cinema in

1:04:30

which one of the stunt guys was there. When

1:04:32

everybody else walked off the front, he

1:04:35

literally leapt over the IMAX rail

1:04:37

and did a crash pad waiting

1:04:39

from the other side. But the entire audience

1:04:41

gasped. They did

1:04:43

make a big thing about its time to get

1:04:46

Oscars for stunts, which I agree with. However,

1:04:48

the main attraction isn't all the big

1:04:50

explosives, although that is done well.

1:04:53

The main attraction is Ryan Gosling and

1:04:55

Emily Blunt. If you saw the Oscars,

1:04:57

they were the funniest thing at the

1:04:59

Oscars. They were doing that pairing

1:05:02

because they were the rival between Oppenheimer and

1:05:04

Barbie. And they were

1:05:06

quite good as a doubleheader.

1:05:08

And quite often, those kind of Oscar, two

1:05:10

people together being funny, they don't work. But

1:05:12

in the case of them, they do. And

1:05:14

the reason is they've

1:05:16

got good chemistry. They

1:05:19

are funny. And if you've seen

1:05:21

the trailer, that is the film. Unlike in

1:05:23

the case of Civil War in which the

1:05:25

trailer makes it like a very different film,

1:05:27

the trailer for the full guy is exactly

1:05:29

what the film is like. I mean, it's

1:05:31

absolutely popcorn fun. It's got

1:05:33

very little depth. I came out afterwards

1:05:36

and somebody, another critic, went, well, that was terrible. I

1:05:38

said, what do you mean it was

1:05:40

terrible? He was just terrible. He didn't make any sense. And it

1:05:42

was badly written. And it was like, have we

1:05:44

watched the same film? And people often

1:05:46

say, you know, if you're a critic, you have to

1:05:48

have to have the kind of your faculties turned off

1:05:51

to enjoy something which is just popcorn. I saw it

1:05:53

in the IMAX screen. It was big. It

1:05:55

was explosive. It was loud. But the

1:05:57

thing that I really liked about it was the central chemistry between those.

1:06:00

to. Alan Waddingham is absolutely enjoying

1:06:02

chiming the scenery and that's really

1:06:04

good fun. It's slightly too long

1:06:06

but you know what isn't nowadays.

1:06:09

And I came out of it

1:06:11

going well that was that's exactly the thing

1:06:13

that I wanted it to be. It was

1:06:15

big, brash, noisy, funny and at the centre

1:06:17

of it had you know a pair who

1:06:19

have real on-screen chemistry. And you

1:06:22

know that's what you want from a popcorn

1:06:24

blockbuster. I'm sure it'll do really well. Excellent.

1:06:26

So the full guy is out. That is

1:06:28

the end of Take One. This has been

1:06:30

a Sony Music Entertainment production and

1:06:32

this week's team was Lily, Gully, Vicky, Zachy, Mattie

1:06:34

and Bethy. The producer was Jem and the redactor

1:06:36

was Simon. Mark, what is your film of the

1:06:39

week? My film of the week, By A Million

1:06:41

Miles, is Love Lies Bleeding and I want everybody

1:06:43

to go and see it and make it

1:06:45

a hit. Thank you very much indeed for

1:06:47

listening. Don't forget Take Two is already available.

1:06:49

It has landed alongside this very podcast. Thank

1:06:56

you.