Tanveer and Johan have a very special guest: the founder of Johan’s old employer Natural Justice - Dr Kabir Bavikatte.

Kabir unpacks his theories of biocultural rights - an interesting, original and different conceptualisation of property.

Kabir reflects on multiple relationships that one might have to property and the land, and how this should affect how we view property rights. He notes law's trend towards recognising relationships that communities have with their land - including in cases such as Maledu and Baleni - and argues that we can all learn from this.