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A listener production.

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OK, here we go. Ready, set. As

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requested by

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our special guest who would like to be

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called this, take it away,

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my dulcet toned Adonis.

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Sammy P, but now what are you going to

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say? I don't know, I don't know the next line.

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I got stressed as you were saying that. I was

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like, oh no, she's going to do it. And I don't know what I'm doing now. And

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I forced that on you, wasn't I? No, you did.

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You were like,

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call me an Adonis. And then you were

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like, oh, but that means I have to work and

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do a thing. I'll do it. I'll do

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it. Hi, guys. Welcome to Just

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The Gist, a weeklyish podcast

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where I, Rosie Waterland and usually

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my co-host Jacob Stanley, tell

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each other stories that we think the

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other will find interesting at a dinner party. Now,

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Jacob William Stanley,

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I think he got the travel bug when we were

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in South Africa and he is

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now gallivanting off. He's

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been on yachts. He's been in Cairns. He's in the sunshine.

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He is taking a well-deserved

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break, having some

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fun. So I've got a guest host this

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week. It's friend of the pod. We've talked about

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him before. Adonis,

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podcaster, producer, Sam

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Peterson. Thank

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you so much for having me. I'm a big

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fan of this podcast, so it's amazing

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to finally be on, but also

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forcing you to say Adonis at the start

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and then demoting straight to podcaster is

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always great. Yeah. Adonis, podcaster.

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What else?

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So Sammy P,

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we've talked about you before because we've talked about your

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you have an amazing podcast called Confessions,

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which you just celebrated your 300th episode. And

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what's that? Five years? So it's five

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years. Yeah. Five years, 300 episodes. And

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I also did a lot of bonus episodes in lockdown.

1:56

And I had a friend call me and go at one point when

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I was putting out like three episodes a week, they called me.

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and went, are you okay? I

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was like, absolutely not. In Melbourne, no.

2:05

But yeah, but- You and I are opposites because when

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I go a bit nuts, the work drops

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off, but you add it on. I add it

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on. I wish I was like

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that. I go wild with work. And it's not

2:14

quality. Which I wish I was like that.

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Because then they'd get more content.

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But your pod is awesome. It's how we met actually.

2:22

You have,

2:23

you know, generally famous

2:25

comedians, notable people. Which

2:28

you were one of them.

2:30

Yeah, I was back in the day.

2:33

Hey, hey now. And you

2:36

find hilarious anonymous confessions

2:39

online, read them out, and then everybody

2:41

just kind of

2:42

deconstructs, analyzes, gives

2:44

advice, et cetera. That's right.

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The episode I came on and did with you was, yeah,

2:49

years ago.

2:50

It was a long time ago. And I remember recently

2:53

you told me that, because I'd been emailing you for

2:55

a bit, trying to get you on, you know. And then

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you brought up recently. There was a lot of ignored

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emails in there. But then you finally came in. Yeah.

3:02

And it was so funny. And I think the only time that I have almost

3:05

fallen off my chair laughing, actually LMFAOing.

3:09

And it was because there was some sort

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of confession where this person had

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stolen something from a store. And

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then she said, I don't know if I paid for

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it. And you just went, you didn't.

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Not sure if I brought the couch or not.

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But you didn't. I'm not sure. Did

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you, were you, did you hand

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over money? Did you? Did

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you? What do

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you think happened, Abi?

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I'm not sure. That's my favourite thing on the podcast

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ever. You just snapped at one point.

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Which most guests do. That's the thing about the podcast.

3:43

Most guests, because they're awful Reddit people on reddit.com.

3:46

Yeah, yeah. Most people eventually do snap

3:48

at some point. And that was your moment. And I went,

3:50

this is amazing. I've already got it. I've already got Rosie.

3:52

Well, it was so, it was honestly, because I

3:54

didn't know, I'd never met you. And you

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had this other amazing comedian on called Redown.

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And the three

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of us just immediately got on and had so much

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fun. And it was really, I remember it was like eight 30 in

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the morning. So it was weird

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and it was a weird time. And I

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always have a Red Bull. And and

4:13

and then I remember one of like

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the best complaints you ever

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got, like best bad reviews

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on Apple Podcasts was specifically

4:23

about how much people hated me and

4:24

Ray. And it is it is one of my

4:27

favorite reviews ever. And every year on

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the dot, I put that review back up

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because it's just so funny. All

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of the reviews that people are so mean

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and cruel and hate it and call me an idiot.

4:38

You know, I've got facial polls and they usually have

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a go at that.

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It's usually what you can't even see. Or

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hit on a podcast. It's always my way. Yeah.

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Yeah. Like you can't even hear it. Like, you know, it's

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so funny. And so these people that I put

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up every single year just to go, you suck.

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And I bring it up every single

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year. It was it was a very it was very much like

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Sam's OK. But can those two women

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like not talk basically? And

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also

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I'm OK. Like he's listening every week, but

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he's OK. He's not great. He's all right. He's

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fine. But you you also

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have another podcast called Nature

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and Nurture.

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Nature or nurture? Nature or nurture. Sorry.

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Sorry. So I made it complicated because it is

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nature versus nurture. But I decided

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to make it complicated on purpose. So

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it stood out a bit more on. Oh, of course. Good

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marketing. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you

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so

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much. So Jacob and I have both

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been interviewed on that podcast,

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which was really awesome. So everyone should go and listen

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to that and go and listen to Confessions. So I feel

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like we've kind of got a legacy

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podcaster in the room right

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now. Oh my goodness. You know, this

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is a hinky operation here. We're not really

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like

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so just sorry. Apologies

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in advance. Call me an Adonis and then

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now you're saying sorry. It's

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a good start to a pod. It's going well. It's always

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unhinged when you're right. And when you're not. I know.

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It's always bloody unhinged. All right. OK,

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here we go.

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Are you ready for this?

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Born ready. Never been more ready. Okay.

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Sammy P. Imagine

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you are a rescue and

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recovery diver. And you've

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been called out to a job where a tugboat

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has sunk in bad weather. And this

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boat is on the ocean floor about 30 metres

6:21

down. So that's about the height of a 10-storey

6:24

building. That's very deep. It's

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been a few days, so you and your fellow divers

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are there looking for bodies.

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And it's pitch black that far

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down so you can't see anything except for

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whatever your torch is shining like directly

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on in front of you.

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You spend a day

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and you find a few bodies, you bring them to the surface,

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you go back down for another round. And just

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when you're about to call it a day, you

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feel something

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touch the back of your neck. And

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you spin around and all of

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a sudden you see the hand of a body in front

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of you. So you reach out to

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grab it to see how easily the body

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can be dislodged. And when you grab

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the hand,

7:06

the hand grabs you back. It's

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already stressing me out. It's already stressing

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me out. Oh yeah, I should have asked you if you have any

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weird things that you can't handle before I picked

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this story. It's bodies in water. Oh,

7:19

okay. No, no, imagine. Imagine

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if that was it. That's all I've got. It's bodies

7:23

in water. Would this come up at all? No,

7:26

I'm good with this. I'm good with this.

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It might. Yep.

7:31

So you scream, the hand

7:34

starts waving. You push past the

7:36

debris. Waving at me? Yeah,

7:38

waving. Hey, what's up? So chill.

7:41

You push past the debris the hand

7:43

is poking out of and there is a

7:45

man in his underwear.

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He's alive. This,

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my friend, is just the gist of Harrison

7:53

O'Keney who survived at the bottom

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of the ocean for three days.

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No, no, no, no, no. No,

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this is not possible. Yes,

8:02

strap in Sammy P. All right,

8:05

it's 2013. Harrison

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O'Kene is a 29-year-old Nigerian

8:09

man, and he works as the cook

8:12

on a tugboat called the Jaskon 4, which

8:15

sounds like an important

8:16

spaceship from a sci-fi movie. Yeah,

8:18

or just the Jask 4. It could be that we could rebrand.

8:21

Let's rebrand. I think it's the

8:23

only time I mention the name of the boat, so I don't know

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why I'm making a deal of it now. I

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liked it. There's a crew of 12,

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including Harrison, so it's not a huge

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boat.

8:33

It's not a small boat. It's

8:35

considered a ship, but it's like the size

8:37

of a ferry. Right, OK. Yeah.

8:41

So it's not like the boat from

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Jaws, but it's not

8:46

the Titanic. OK. It's kind of in between. Sure,

8:48

sure, sure. And so they basically work in

8:50

the Atlantic Ocean going

8:52

to tug things that need a

8:55

tug.

8:55

Just tugging things. Like boats. Yeah.

8:57

I've heard of them. I've heard of boats.

9:00

Yeah, yeah. Boats that need a tug. So

9:02

they're on their way to a job

9:04

off the coast of Nigeria when

9:07

there's this huge storm, but it's nothing

9:10

they haven't dealt with before. It's pretty common out there.

9:13

Harrison's not that worried. And

9:15

at about 5 AM, he wakes

9:17

up earlier than everyone else because he's got to prepare

9:20

breakfast. So he's in his boxer

9:23

shorts, and he walks out of his little cabin

9:25

and down the hallway to the toilet,

9:27

which is kind of just like a very small,

9:29

like an airplane bathroom. Like it's a

9:32

little enclosed space. It's giant. There

9:34

is a toilet and a sink, basically. Sure. So

9:37

he's in there

9:38

doing his business. I

9:40

looked into it. Couldn't find out if it was number one

9:43

or number two. How much research? How many

9:45

hours did you spend on this? A lot goes into

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this, my friend. You just wait.

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So a massive rogue

9:51

wave all of a sudden comes while

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he's on the toilet, hits the ship,

9:56

and tips it completely upside

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down. Oh my god.

9:59

it starts sinking like really

10:02

fast. And here's where my mind of course directly

10:04

goes to, if he had done a poo, that would have just

10:06

come fallen onto him. Because

10:09

like, you know what I mean?

10:09

And that's the worst thing that could possibly happen in this

10:11

situation. It's like the ship singing

10:14

is about to die. And he's like, oh,

10:16

of course. Pooh on

10:18

my head.

10:20

So Harrison is like sort

10:22

of pushed out of the toilet in all the

10:24

like mayhem. And there's massive amounts

10:27

of water rushing in, like, you know, Titanic movie

10:29

style. You know, when the big amounts of water.

10:32

And he sees. And one poo. Yeah. And

10:34

one poo just floating. You know, once.

10:36

Exactly. When I was at Dream

10:38

World once, when I was a kid in a wave

10:40

pool, there was, I know, we used

10:43

to go to Gold Coast in the holidays, like no

10:45

other Aussie kids did.

10:47

There was, they had an artificial wave pool

10:50

and there was a human poo floating in it.

10:52

Oh yeah. And it was right near

10:54

us. And they don't even get you to come

10:56

out. They just came with like a scooper. Correct.

11:00

Because I've had this exact same situation,

11:02

Rosie Waterland, and I'm making this podcast

11:04

so classy by coming on. And most of them

11:06

have talked about poo when there's a great story happening.

11:08

But I was once in a swimming pool. You know, I love

11:10

to swim. Can't stop. Can't stop.

11:13

Won't stop. And that's why you're in a Donner. Thank you so much

11:15

for saying that. And podcast. And

11:18

the guy saw a poo next to me and

11:21

he's, I looked at it and he went, don't worry about

11:23

it. And he just scooped it out and banged it

11:25

next to my head.

11:26

Just banged it and just picked it up and

11:29

kept going. And that was it. And

11:32

I was like, but not my memories. The chlorine

11:34

will not kill my memories.

11:35

What do you mean banged it next to your

11:38

head? On the side of the pool to

11:39

like get rid of some of the debris.

11:41

It was disgusting. I'm so

11:43

sorry for interrupting your story with that

11:45

story. No, but that's, I will always

11:47

stop anything for a poo story.

11:49

The listeners know this. The listeners know. But

11:52

that is, I can't believe, I guess that is why

11:54

they think the chlorine will kill it. Yeah, sure. But

11:56

chlorine can't kill everything.

11:58

I just really, and no, and I.

11:59

saw the one in Dreamworld, like they were

12:02

a bit, they don't get all of it. Like, cause bits

12:04

of, you know, like it's the next

12:06

wave. It's coming back. Yeah, it is. Yeah. I

12:08

remember

12:08

I

12:11

couldn't believe like that. They didn't get everyone out

12:13

and drain it and like hazmat

12:16

suits.

12:17

Yeah, but not they just anyway. It's

12:19

like when someone pretends to wash their hands when they

12:21

go to the toilet and you can see them wasting

12:24

the water anyway. Do me the benefit of

12:26

pretending guys. Yeah.

12:29

Anyway. Okay. So water's

12:32

rushing in. One poops

12:35

in it. Harrison looks

12:37

down the hall and back to where the cabins

12:39

are, where he had just walked from and he sees a

12:41

few of his fellow crew members

12:44

just get sucked away by

12:46

the water. Yeah. He tries

12:48

to make his way to an emergency sort of hatch,

12:50

but the problem is, and

12:52

I guess I know about this,

12:54

like, because I read it while researching,

12:57

but also that Tom Hanks

12:59

movie. Um, you know, um,

13:01

I'm, I'm the captain now, you know, that movie

13:03

with that quote. So there's pirates

13:06

out here all the time and at nighttime

13:08

they lock everything. Right. So

13:11

that if pirates come on the ship at night,

13:13

like they can't really access

13:15

anything because it's all locked. Yeah.

13:18

Okay. Sure. So what I do with my dog at night when I

13:20

lock his food away, kind of like that, that

13:22

exact same thing.

13:23

So everything's

13:25

locked. And so he's trying to get to the

13:27

hatch, but he cut everything's locked. It's

13:29

like, so it feels like

13:31

you are safe from pirates, but

13:34

now here's a downside to that plan.

13:36

Um, so the

13:39

only open door is the toilet cubicle. He

13:41

just got

13:41

pushed out of and the

13:43

massive amounts of water kind of like

13:45

push him in there and the door kind of

13:47

slams shut. And so very

13:50

quickly he feels the

13:52

ship sinking and then he feels

13:55

it hit the ocean floor. So he's like, we've

13:57

sunk and the like he's in pitch

13:59

dark.

13:59

because there's no light, like literal

14:02

darkness. And he's in this tiny

14:05

space that is quickly filling up with

14:07

water and

14:08

he can hear other crew members crying

14:10

out, God help me, God help me. And

14:13

he's- That's not what you wanna hear in any situation, to

14:15

be fair. No, God help me is not a great one. I

14:17

shouted that out when I saw the poo in the pool. Yes,

14:20

yes. And it's not, you

14:22

are not comfortable if someone starts saying that.

14:24

That's when you know it's bad. It's bad.

14:26

And so he's convinced he's gonna die

14:29

and he starts praying to

14:31

God, like protect my wife, this is the end

14:33

for me. And soon the screams

14:36

of the other men stop

14:38

and the water rising around

14:40

him also stops. And

14:44

after a few minutes, Harrison realizes

14:46

there's no more water coming in

14:48

and he's in this tiny little toilet room. So

14:50

imagine the airplane bathroom, but it's upside

14:53

down. So the toilet and the sink are

14:55

on the ceiling and the ceiling is the floor.

14:58

And the water is up to

15:00

Harrison's shoulders and his head is in the

15:02

sink and it's like an air pocket.

15:05

So he's literally just like, the

15:08

sink has become like a helmet

15:11

around his head that he can breathe. And

15:14

he sort of stays there for a while, like, okay,

15:17

what's happening? It's gonna fill up, it's gonna fill

15:19

up, I'm gonna drown. And then it

15:21

doesn't. And he's like, well,

15:23

okay, good, but also

15:25

shit. Yeah. I'm

15:28

at the bottom of the ocean. Yeah,

15:30

like he knows he's incredibly lucky

15:33

to have the air pocket, but he also knows, well,

15:35

I can't stay here because I will

15:37

die.

15:38

First of all, it's the Atlantic Ocean in

15:40

winter. So it's freezing. We

15:44

did an episode on the Titanic

15:46

where we talked a bit about

15:49

how quickly people die in that

15:52

temperature. And how like the chef

15:54

or the baker, the baker on the Titanic

15:57

survived because he'd like drunk a whole

15:59

lot of whiskey and all this stuff. But it's like very

16:01

cold. Which you always do before swimming. As well.

16:03

I drink a lot of whisky before I go swimming. Always

16:06

warm. Then you don't need a heated pool. That's correct. And

16:09

I'm so glad you said it because I've been saying this for

16:11

years.

16:11

Yeah, same, same. So

16:14

he is kind of like, well, I

16:16

can't stay submerged in this water for long.

16:19

It's too cold. He starts losing

16:21

track of time, but he thinks it might have been

16:23

a few hours. And like, remember, it's pitch

16:25

black. There's no sunlight, no lights, nothing.

16:27

So you'd get very disoriented very quickly. So

16:29

Rosie, I know you're going to probably explain this in a

16:31

second. But to think about the amount

16:34

of oxygen he's got in there, was

16:36

there a time limit that he's thinking, I've

16:38

got three hours in here or how

16:40

long does he think?

16:41

Yeah. So the amount

16:43

of science research

16:45

I did for this. I

16:48

went down some rabbit holes and then I was like,

16:50

oh man, it's just the gist. You don't need to understand

16:52

this.

16:53

And I'm so freeing it up.

16:54

No, no, no. But I will say I thought

16:56

about this also. And the thing with stuff

16:58

like that is it's, yes, you

17:01

run out of oxygen because there's only a finite

17:03

amount. But also what's worse

17:06

is that you breathe oxygen in and you breathe

17:08

carbon monoxide out. So what gets

17:10

you first is carbon monoxide poisoning.

17:13

Right. Because it fills up the space.

17:16

So he knows, yeah, I can't. This isn't

17:18

going to last me long, basically.

17:19

So

17:21

he kind of gets to a point where he's

17:24

like, I have nothing to lose

17:26

here. Like I can stay here and definitely

17:28

die or I can take a chance and

17:31

maybe die. So,

17:34

you know, good options. Not

17:36

great options, but he's got to pick one. See,

17:39

this is where I say this all the

17:41

time. I am the person who

17:43

whenever I'm watching a disaster movie or The Walking

17:45

Dead or something like this, I think when would I give

17:47

up? And I'm like, immediately. Oh, you're out straight

17:49

away. I'm out. No, I have no resilience.

17:52

I'm not. I'm just like, no, just

17:54

take me. I just give in. Just go. Yeah.

17:58

I can't jump over walls and run.

17:59

You just give in, I'm done.

18:02

Yeah, I'm done. I gave up 10 minutes ago.

18:05

Yeah, I just always, when I think of these

18:07

things, I'm like, no, I'd just go, I'll stay.

18:10

You know? Would you go for it? I

18:13

think I

18:13

would go for it. I think I would try. Well, you're a good swimmer.

18:16

That's true. And I drank a lot of whiskey. I think

18:18

I would, yeah, I'm warm. I think

18:20

probably I would try and get out first. I wouldn't

18:22

just give it. If you and I were in there together, I'd probably

18:24

try and pull you for a bit. You

18:26

probably would because you're the loveliest person

18:28

on the planet. You probably would, and I would probably

18:31

hold you back and you would perish

18:33

because of me going, oh, Sam,

18:35

Sam, let's just chill here. Let's

18:38

just hang. Let's just hang.

18:41

Let's not worry. Yeah, I

18:43

would totally just be like, eh.

18:44

You're like, we would record a podcast really quickly. I

18:47

would anyway. I'd start recording podcasts straight away. Oh, yeah.

18:50

Great content. Great content. I'm stressed

18:52

I'm going to start recording content.

18:53

So he he decides

18:55

he'll he'll explore as much

18:58

as he can hold his breath for. Yeah,

18:59

sure. He's like, I'll swim

19:01

out of here and then feel

19:04

where I'm at and then come back to

19:06

breathe. And it's pitch black at that time,

19:08

really, isn't it? Yeah, like

19:10

I'm talking pitch black. He can't

19:12

see anything. He knows what cubicle

19:15

he's in and

19:15

what's out there so he can make. But

19:18

also it's all upside down. Yeah. It's very

19:20

like Alice in Wonderland esque like, yeah,

19:22

nothing's right. So

19:25

he he go.

19:26

He thinks I'll just go out and see what I can find.

19:29

Like maybe there's another air pocket somewhere. Maybe

19:31

there's another hurt. Like, who knows? Yeah. Yeah.

19:35

So he swims out of the cubicle and he's feeling just

19:37

his way through the pitch darkness and he's

19:39

about to run out of breath. But then he just kind

19:41

of have has this urge to swim up a

19:43

bit

19:44

and he swims up and all of a

19:47

sudden he does find himself in another much bigger

19:49

air pocket. Wow. So this

19:51

one

19:52

is a few meters by a few meters. It's

19:54

like it's not just a sink around his head.

19:57

Sure. It's he

19:59

realizes he's

19:59

in one of the offices

20:01

bedrooms, but obviously like the

20:03

floor is the ceiling and the ceiling is the floor because it's

20:05

like upside down. But he does have a bit

20:08

more hope

20:08

because to go from a sink to

20:10

this, it's like, yes.

20:14

See, and here's where you would have left and I'd

20:16

be back there and you're like, oh, you should

20:18

have come. Oh, she's found another pocket. Yeah, you should

20:20

have come. Like this, I give up too easily and I,

20:23

this is what I miss out on. So

20:25

what great opportunity. Yeah. What

20:28

great opportunity. So

20:30

he knows he has to get out of this freezing

20:33

water. So he manages to get the

20:35

mattress from the bed and he has,

20:37

there's like some debris, like wooden

20:39

debris and he gets the mattress on top of

20:41

it. And then he kind of climbs on

20:43

the mattress floating on the surface, not unlike

20:46

the thing

20:47

at the end of Titanic. Yeah. He's

20:49

kind of floating on this thing. Yeah.

20:51

So. A

20:53

bit more comfortable mattress. Yeah, it's quite nice actually. That's

20:55

nice. Yeah. Lovely. So

20:58

he's got a mattress, it's pitch black and

21:00

at this point it's probably been about a day. Wow.

21:04

He has no food or water. He doesn't know if anyone else is

21:06

alive. Yeah. He hopes

21:08

that a recovery team will come. I mean,

21:10

it's 2013. They know very quickly when a ship

21:12

is sunk

21:12

and stuff happens fast. Yeah. But

21:15

he's like, okay, I need to stay

21:17

alive for a recovery team and that will be

21:19

hopefully soon. So that's all he's thinking

21:22

about. Yeah, sure. And he

21:24

gives himself little missions, which

21:26

is always, I think, the smart thing to do

21:29

in survival situations like this. People

21:31

always say it was thinking, in

21:33

the next hour I'm going to do this and in

21:36

the next day I'm going to do this because it gives you

21:38

something to do. Yeah.

21:40

Other than just swallowing in the despair of

21:43

it all like I would

21:44

be doing back in the cubicle. You've

21:46

got to think about the blocks of time. Yes. Yeah.

21:49

So he starts going on little recon

21:51

missions to try and find stuff. So he's leaving

21:53

his little air pocket. Well,

21:56

I guess it's a little air cave

21:58

at this point, I guess.

21:59

to try and just see if he can find anything that

22:02

might help. He finds a torch

22:04

attached to a life jacket. So he's got

22:07

a torch and that helps him find

22:09

some rope. And then he's so smart. He

22:11

ties the rope to something in his

22:13

air pocket and then like always

22:16

holds it as he goes places so he can find

22:18

his way back easily. That is handsomely griddling

22:20

it. Yes, exactly. That's

22:22

so clever. You would have been dead ages ago. I'm

22:24

just lying on the mattress. Yes. It's a

22:26

situation this

22:27

is. Exactly. He's so smart.

22:30

And so then because he's the cook, he knows

22:32

where the food supplies are. So he's thinking

22:34

I can swim there. I can make it. Like

22:36

I said,

22:37

everything is locked. So he knows

22:39

where all the food and water is. He can't get in

22:42

there. So he eventually

22:44

finds a bottle of Coke. Just

22:46

one like I think it's not a big, it's

22:49

not a 1.25 liter. It's like a 600 miller.

22:52

It's like one of

22:52

those. You could have spanked that out. So it's not

22:54

a lot. Yeah, rationing. Less

22:57

than 24 hours after finding the

22:59

torch, it dies. So

23:01

he had the torch, he had some light. I guess because

23:04

you wouldn't want to turn it off. Yeah. Because

23:06

otherwise you are literally in pitch darkness. So he had it on and

23:08

then.

23:09

He told himself ghost stories. Yeah.

23:11

Yeah. What's that one there?

23:13

Are you afraid of the dark? What was that

23:16

show? I loved that show. No,

23:18

what was the best one

23:20

on Australian kids TV in the afternoons?

23:23

Don't you open

23:24

that trap door. Oh,

23:26

yeah. You're a fool if you dare.

23:29

I loved that show. I was more of an Angelina Conda

23:31

guy, but whatever. Oh, whatever. Whatever,

23:33

no big deal. And you are getting classic JTG

23:36

here. I've talked about shit. I've sung. Yeah.

23:39

We're hitting all the markers. It's incredible stuff. Yeah.

23:41

So he has, at least

23:43

when Lee had the torch, he has his Coke and

23:46

he like,

23:47

you know, has put some rope places.

23:49

Yep. But now he's just kind of on his little

23:52

mattress with his little Coke and

23:54

it's pitch dark again.

23:56

Like a Monday night for me, am I right? Yeah. Ah.

24:00

And then he starts hearing thrashing

24:03

around him and

24:05

he knows that

24:07

it's sharks eating the remains

24:10

of his crewmates. Oh my God. He

24:12

knows the sound. So

24:15

leaving the air pocket now kind of becomes a

24:17

bit of a no, no. He's like, I can't go

24:19

out there now because they've found the bodies and

24:21

they're there.

24:22

He said in an interview later, all

24:24

around me was just black and noisy. I

24:27

was crying and calling on Jesus to rescue

24:29

me. I prayed so hard.

24:31

I was so hungry and thirsty and cold

24:33

and I was just praying to see some

24:35

kind of light. So

24:39

yeah, here's where I had a little

24:41

paragraph here about all the carbon monoxide

24:44

and like how he, I

24:45

researched it and basically carbon

24:48

monoxide poisoning, it

24:49

affects you in like a bunch of weird ways.

24:52

They say it can be like a really bad flu. So

24:54

you get muscle aches, joint aches, you

24:56

can start getting rashes. You

24:59

start to get dizzy. Some people get

25:01

delirious, you get headaches. It basically

25:03

just makes you super, super, super, super sick

25:06

until you like either fall into a

25:07

coma or like have a heart attack or something. It's

25:09

like pretty bad. Yeah, awful. Yeah.

25:13

So he in this space is starting to feel

25:16

off. So he knows like

25:18

my oxygen's running out and I'm not

25:20

well. And he also

25:23

is probably getting like nitrogen

25:25

poisoning because again, I went,

25:28

I read so many science articles,

25:30

I don't understand this. But basically like

25:32

when you're diving, like

25:34

there are problems with nitrogen in your blood and the

25:36

water pressure. And so he's been down there

25:38

too long. Most divers at this depth would only

25:40

stay there for about 10 or 20 minutes max. And he's

25:43

now been down there for like over a day at

25:45

least. So he's getting

25:46

all these nitrogen problems and

25:49

the salt water is making his skin really

25:52

raw. So like he's kind of peeling

25:54

and he's also peeling like when your bits

25:56

of you are underwater, like it

25:58

starts peeling off. So he's

26:01

going raw, he's freezing, the coke has run

26:03

out. Like carbon monoxide. That's the worst of words, the

26:05

coke has run out. The coke's run out. Carbon

26:08

monoxide poisoning is like slowly just

26:11

turning him a bit loopy. It's pitch black,

26:13

he can hear sharks eating his friends. Like

26:16

Harrison is not in a good

26:18

way, my friend. No, this is

26:20

awful. This is awful. It's not good.

26:23

Like truly, it is a nightmare.

26:26

Cause it's like claustrophobic,

26:28

but like

26:29

you can't,

26:31

it's like being buried alive, like

26:33

underwater. It's just,

26:34

oh. And also like, you know,

26:37

the fear of all of that, like stressing

26:39

is only going to make it worse, but that's what you're doing.

26:41

Because it's like when someone says you're in it, a

26:43

little bit different. When someone says you're like caught in a rip,

26:46

you go,

26:46

all you have to do is relax because, you

26:49

know what, I wouldn't be relaxing in a situation like that.

26:51

Like how you meant to relax.

26:52

People freak out and that's what makes it worse.

26:55

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So you would,

26:57

yeah, he's just, he's not doing well, but

26:59

he does, he says he just kept praying.

27:02

Yeah. And then suddenly

27:04

he hears a sound that he recognises.

27:07

He hears an anchor hitting

27:09

the ocean floor. Wow.

27:12

And he knows it must be the recovery

27:14

ship up on the surface has dropped anchor.

27:17

What time is this as well? Like, is this how

27:19

many? He doesn't know.

27:21

Yeah. He can't tell it because it's just been pitch

27:23

black. He can't tell. Like, but I

27:26

mean,

27:27

by the time they get to him, it's been three days.

27:29

So at this point it's been a couple of days. Yeah, okay.

27:31

So he, this anchor hits and he's

27:33

like, oh my God, they're there, they're there. And then he starts

27:35

hearing sounds that like,

27:37

he knows a human sounds like just sort of clanging

27:40

on things that he's like, that's not a shark.

27:42

That's a diver. Yeah. He's

27:44

like, oh my God, oh my God. And so he starts just banging

27:46

on everything he can to try and get their

27:49

attention, but like nothing,

27:52

he doesn't hear anything or see anyone. But

27:54

then he sees a torch light and

27:56

he's like, oh my God, there's a diver, there's a diver. So

27:58

he swims as far as he can.

27:59

as he can out of his little air pocket

28:02

and he sees the diver, but the

28:04

diver is swimming away and

28:07

he starts swimming after him, but then he loses

28:09

him and he's running out of breath. And so he has to go back.

28:11

Oh no. So he is kind

28:14

of like, Oh my God, I can't, like how,

28:16

how is everything going so

28:19

wrong? Meanwhile, I'm back in

28:21

the toilet, like told you, wasn't

28:23

going to work out. So he

28:27

sort of thinks

28:28

there's nothing I can really do, but wait now. And

28:30

he does

28:31

wait a while. He's like waiting and waiting.

28:34

And he doesn't know like if they've

28:36

left or what's going on. What he doesn't know

28:38

is they were searching all day and they found four

28:41

bodies and now they're taking a break.

28:43

Sure. So they

28:45

take the night and then hours

28:48

later, the next morning, he doesn't know

28:50

that because he's just like, what is time? I mean, I'm

28:52

in the black abyss. He sees

28:55

the torch light again and this time

28:57

it's really, really close. And this is

28:59

where we sort of link back to that, like

29:02

what I described at the start. You're a master

29:04

storyteller. Thank you so much. See how

29:07

the pieces fall into place. This is incredible.

29:09

This is drama school. This is creative

29:11

writing degree paying off. About

29:14

time. So

29:17

right outside his air pocket, the torch

29:19

is there and he wants to get this diver's

29:21

attention,

29:22

but he's also like, I don't want to scare him

29:24

because these guys carry knives or

29:27

protection from sharks and stuff.

29:30

And he's like, they're not going to be expecting

29:33

to see it

29:34

in a live person. He's like, I don't want

29:36

to shock him. And so Harrison,

29:38

he gently reaches his

29:40

hand underwater and like,

29:43

like just taps him on the back of

29:45

the neck. Kind of like, I don't

29:48

want to scare you interrupt.

29:50

And

29:53

so, and then the diver

29:55

spins around and then

29:59

he feels like. Like

30:00

the diver grabs his hand, so Harrison

30:02

grabs it, and then the diver sort

30:04

of jerks away. And so then

30:07

Harrison kind of like, the diver

30:09

grabs him again, and so then he's just sort of very gently

30:12

kind of holds it like, hello, help

30:15

me. And so then the diver enters

30:17

into the air pocket,

30:19

and there they are staring at each other. Like

30:22

after three days, trapped

30:24

on the ocean floor, Harrison

30:27

has been found alive. Now it's

30:29

just, from the diver's point of view, this

30:32

was so effed

30:34

because his rescue crew

30:37

had been there to collect bodies.

30:40

They had already pulled four out the

30:42

day before. And the diver who

30:44

found Harrison was a guy called Nico, and

30:47

they wear like a big kind

30:49

of space

30:51

helmet that has a long

30:54

cord that goes all the way up to the surface.

30:57

That oxygen flows through. And

30:59

inside the helmet, he's got

31:01

a mic, and

31:04

he can talk to people up on the boat,

31:06

up the top. And he also has a camera,

31:09

so like the people up top can see the footage

31:11

and sort of direct him where to go, because it's really hard. He

31:13

can't see a lot down there. Just

31:15

so like everything is kind of safe the way

31:18

they do it. But I'm telling you about

31:19

this setup because Sam,

31:22

Samuel Sampson, Sam Sanel.

31:26

Sam Sanel is my full name. Thank you. Sam

31:28

Sanel. There is footage of the exact moment

31:31

Harrison is down and I'm going to show it to

31:33

you now. If this is you Rosie in a bath, I'll

31:35

be very disappointed. Is there

31:37

going to be one of those meme like, gotchas?

31:41

Here's my food park. Okay.

31:45

We're going to watch it now.

31:46

And I think Elise has set it up. Yes,

31:48

I have. Oh my goodness. Oh

31:50

my goodness. All right. So

31:54

you should be walking on the, on

31:56

the, on the. I'm

32:00

a little bit more of a sealer, yeah? Okay. What's

32:03

that? Okay. All

32:06

right, you found one, yeah? He's alive!

32:08

He's alive! Okay, okay. Keep

32:10

him there. All

32:12

right. Just... All right.

32:15

All right. Hold him there, okay? Just

32:17

keep him there. All

32:20

right. Just keep him there and keep

32:22

him calm, okay? Mm-hmm.

32:25

All right. Just reassure him. Fetch him

32:27

on the shoulder. All

32:28

right, do you see this? Okay.

32:34

Oh, my... All

32:36

right. Damn space!

32:39

All right.

32:41

All right, let's get that head on his head so

32:43

we can reduce the CO2, please. Keep

32:48

calm, okay? Are you feeling okay?

32:51

It's not. It's so nuts.

32:54

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I can't

32:56

believe that. That is nuts. There

32:58

is footage of it. Of course, we'll

33:00

put it in the show notes, but it's

33:03

literally a hand and

33:05

you hear him going, oh, it's a corpse. It's a corpse.

33:08

We found one. And then all of a sudden, it's alive!

33:10

It's alive! And

33:12

the fucking hell, which is... Hell, like...

33:15

Which is the best fucking hell ever. I know. And

33:18

then his face in there, like... You'd

33:20

be so terrified but relieved. Yeah. How

33:23

do you even feel in a moment like that? It's just nuts. And

33:26

so the diver

33:29

who's down there immediately gives him water. Yep.

33:31

But the diver is in so much

33:33

shock, like actually more shock than Harrison.

33:36

Yeah. And Harrison said later, I

33:38

knew when he gave me water, he was

33:40

observing me to see if I was

33:42

really human because he was so afraid.

33:46

Like, he found a zombie. He would

33:48

be though.

33:48

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

33:52

It absolutely makes it. And now, having just watched that...

33:55

It's nuts. Yeah. So

33:57

they can tell he's pretty close

33:59

to death. death. He definitely

34:01

is in like the final stages of monoxide poisoning.

34:04

His eyes are glazed. He's panting.

34:06

He

34:07

just doesn't look in a good way. They

34:09

immediately send an oxygen

34:11

hose down into the space to kind of blast

34:14

fresh oxygen in there, but something to do

34:16

with again, just the gist. I couldn't be bothered finding

34:18

out the details of this, but like something

34:21

to do with how you, when your lungs are

34:23

that weak, they need to mix the oxygen

34:25

with helium to make it easier for him to breathe.

34:27

So then it's kind of funny, like

34:29

there's a lot more of the rescue video where

34:31

he's, he

34:33

is talking like he's been sucking on a helium balloon.

34:36

Like, cause he, cause there's so much helium in his face.

34:38

It's really, it's quite funny. So

34:41

they put one of the diver helmets

34:43

on him and then just kind of

34:45

strap him all up. He's still just in his boxes.

34:48

And so he can hear and

34:50

speak to the captain up on the ship

34:52

above and they ask his name and he's like

34:54

Harrison and

34:55

the captain goes, or what rank are you? And

34:58

he's like, mate, I'm the cook. They're

35:00

like, Oh, okay. All right.

35:02

We're going to help you. And, and

35:06

so here's the thing though, because he's

35:08

been down at this deep sea

35:11

pressure so long, like I said

35:13

before with the nitrogen thing and like

35:15

diving, you can't come up

35:17

too quickly or you get like what people call the bends.

35:20

Yeah. Yeah. So it's

35:22

something to do with changing like

35:24

the pressure of being

35:25

down that deep. And then if you come up

35:28

too fast,

35:29

nitrogen floods your bloodstream

35:31

and like, I don't know, you explode, like just

35:33

you die. Something happens. So I don't really

35:35

get the bends. I'm sure there are people who dive

35:37

who get it, but yeah, you just, you can't come up too fast.

35:40

It's really dangerous. And so they say

35:42

to him, they're like,

35:43

we're going to rescue you. Cause you just want to like

35:46

swim to the top, like get me out

35:48

of here. And they're like, we have to do this slowly.

35:50

So this helmet on

35:53

and they, they make, uh, they have what

35:55

is called a diving bell, which is

35:57

basically like a little one person.

35:59

like submarine

36:02

thing and it

36:04

gets lowered down to the level he's at

36:07

and then like kind

36:10

of there's

36:11

the water you know when you this is how I

36:13

figured out because again I

36:15

got deep into science on this and then I remembered

36:17

no one cares Rosie you know when there's

36:19

a sink full of water and you're a kid

36:21

and you put a glass upside down and you

36:23

push it down and so it doesn't feel

36:26

there's still air in the cup even though

36:28

you push it into the water something to do with that

36:30

like this thing basically matches

36:32

the pressure of where

36:35

the level he is so he can get

36:37

into that and even though the diving

36:39

bell is rising to the surface the

36:41

pressure is staying the same yeah

36:44

okay

36:44

yeah that's all that's that's just the gist

36:46

of it science so

36:49

they basically yeah they

36:51

bring him over to this diving bell thing and then

36:53

they bring him to the surface but he's not allowed

36:56

out he has to stay in it for a few hours

36:58

and

36:59

then when he

37:01

finally is allowed out of the diving belt he has

37:03

to get into a decompression chamber

37:05

for two days so

37:07

he just can't like

37:09

he has to keep staying in these

37:11

small like tiny spaces

37:14

so he's in this decompression

37:16

chamber and they're bringing him like food

37:19

and water and kind of taking care of him yeah

37:21

more coke and then finally

37:24

finally finally after two days he's

37:27

allowed out and he's been rescued

37:29

and they tell him that he

37:31

is the only survivor of this

37:35

ship sinking

37:36

and that that's when he finds out that

37:38

he had been at the bottom of the ocean for three days

37:41

in his mind he said like I couldn't tell

37:43

at the end if it was four hours

37:45

or a day or a week he just had no concept

37:48

yeah of course so he'd been there for three days

37:51

he vows never to return

37:53

to the sea again he's like

37:55

yes the ocean no thanks so he works as

38:00

a cook, like, you

38:02

know,

38:03

on land, on where there's, you

38:05

know, where you can walk up, where they walk up, where they run,

38:07

where they play all day in the sun. But

38:12

Harrison says

38:14

that confronting his fears

38:16

while he was down there is

38:18

one of the things that saved his life. Like

38:21

he was like, the fact that I pushed through,

38:23

I was scared, but I was like, no, I have to try

38:25

and swim somewhere. I have to do this. I had like, he's

38:27

like, that's what saved me.

38:29

So he decides I love the ocean.

38:32

I miss it. So I'm going to confront my

38:34

fears. So get

38:36

this. He goes on to

38:39

train as a commercial

38:41

diver. No,

38:43

no, no, no. And

38:46

then by total coincidence,

38:48

nine years after his rescue, he

38:50

is working a job that the rescue

38:53

team who rescued him is also

38:55

working. No. So they

38:57

will see him and they're like, mate,

39:00

what? And he's like, hey,

39:03

I dive now. And interesting. He

39:05

is trained to dive to a level

39:07

of 50 meters down, which is 20

39:10

more than where

39:11

he was on the ship. Oh

39:14

my God. So they, these guys can't believe he's doing

39:16

it. They're like, Oh my God, like the, the,

39:19

the

39:19

balls you have, like the bravery to

39:21

do this. And so

39:23

they offer him a job and he

39:26

takes it. And so literally

39:29

to this day, he works

39:31

with the team as a deep

39:33

sea diver, the team that rescue

39:35

him. That's his job. He

39:37

works with them. That is incredible. You know, I have

39:40

a friend who is 45 years old. He had bad

39:42

chicken when he was eight years old and

39:44

he's never touched it again. He is terrified

39:46

of chicken. This is the best. That's

39:49

incredible. You know what this

39:51

reminds me of when I had bad chicken.

39:57

that

40:00

led to the anal fistula. And

40:03

the first thing I ate when I was

40:05

finally allowed to eat after my surgery was

40:07

a chicken burger. So in a way

40:09

Harrison

40:10

O'Kene and I are equal

40:13

parts brave. That's so true, equal

40:15

parts brave, that is correct. We approach the world

40:17

with a philosophy that I think all

40:20

of you could learn from truly. Yes, yes.

40:22

All of you could learn from. All of you could learn from, and I do wanna

40:24

say as well that when all that happened

40:27

with Rosie, I got some

40:29

wonderful texts. Yes, that's right. Can

40:31

I just say that? The jisters do

40:33

know that I kept saying, oh my God,

40:35

I had this friend who just for some

40:37

reason, maybe you had texted me, I

40:39

don't know, but you just became a person

40:42

that I was sending deranged, morphine

40:45

induced texts to about

40:47

details about my anus for

40:50

days. It was like you and my sisters and

40:53

Jacob. Yeah. And I remember saying

40:55

like, The trio. Sam, like we're friends,

40:57

but we're not close enough that he needs

40:59

to know about my anal surgeries, but he does

41:01

now. Like it's. And aren't we closer

41:04

now? We're not close. You know what

41:05

guys, if you want to like really push

41:07

a friendship forward, just talk

41:09

about your anus in detail. And

41:11

to me only, just text me. Give out my number

41:14

on the pod, it's fine. Yeah, if, yeah, just talk about your

41:16

pussy anus. So

41:19

yeah, he now works with this team.

41:22

He has a really sweet YouTube channel

41:24

where he, the last video he

41:26

put up was like a couple of months ago of

41:29

him just out at sea on a job and

41:31

talking about,

41:33

you know, facing fears and being brave.

41:35

And now he lives, how he lives his life on the ocean

41:38

now. And he didn't let it stop him. And he's

41:40

done a bunch of interviews. I mean, I'll put, there's so much

41:42

to put in the show notes, but that's what

41:45

he does now. Harrison O'Kene just

41:47

dives with the divers who saved him.

41:50

That is an incredible story. And something

41:52

that you, like I'm amazed at that story

41:54

something that you never hear as well, someone surviving

41:57

that and then going on to just live.

41:59

this incredible life and it completely

42:02

changing them. Yeah, I can't believe it's not a

42:04

more famous story, truly. Because

42:08

this footage is nuts that

42:10

everyone has to go on lodge. The story

42:13

is nuts. And then it's also really lovely

42:15

that he now kind of does these cute

42:17

little motivational videos

42:19

about like being brave and he just

42:21

seems like a really sweet guy. How

42:24

can anyone really knows about this story?

42:27

Did that diver ever go on to,

42:30

like, did he ever come back from that?

42:34

That's a good question. Still in shock. Still

42:36

in shock. Never dives again. He's

42:39

the one who never went back in the ocean. Yeah,

42:43

he's effed. So that was

42:45

just the gist of Harrison O'Kene. No

42:48

word

42:49

on what happened to the floating poop. Probably

42:52

still down at the bottom of the ocean in the... I'm

42:54

going to go find it. Wreck. Yeah, go find it. So

42:57

they actually they pulled

43:00

all the bodies from the ship.

43:02

Oh, that was a that was a quick segue

43:05

from floating poop to sad dead boys.

43:07

It

43:07

really was. God, you're good. You're a pro. Thanks.

43:10

They pulled all the bodies from the

43:12

ship except one was never found. So.

43:15

Wow. Maybe that was the one, the shark.

43:17

Yeah. But

43:21

that's it. That's just the gist of the guy who literally

43:23

lived at the bottom of the ocean for three. Days.

43:27

That is absolutely incredible.

43:29

Like you told me this was going to be a good story and

43:31

I am amazed. That is absolutely

43:33

incredible. Not so.

43:35

So that's what you get when you come on.