2:00

less interested in law and so you just combine

2:02

the two? Yeah, so my

2:04

story is really, I grew up

2:06

in a really medicalized family, normal

2:09

Western diet, and grew up

2:11

taking ibuprofen for everything. That was, you know,

2:13

my lifestyle, raised by a nurse. Every one

2:15

of my family is in the medical field.

2:17

And when I went to college, I

2:19

actually fell in love with research. And

2:22

so I graduated with a degree in

2:26

communications and research. And then I got gooped

2:28

up by a giant tech

2:30

company and asked to be

2:32

a research consultant. So what

2:35

I would do is I would

2:37

consult high touch clients like Google,

2:39

Amazon, Harvard, Yale, and help

2:42

these people actually fulfill their research. Help them

2:44

to know, is it possible? Is this study

2:46

viable? Is it a good study? And then

2:48

I would say, okay, is it possible to

2:51

get the participants for this study? How can

2:53

we do this study? So that was really

2:55

my job for a while. And

2:59

it was during that process that

3:01

I became a little bit disillusioned

3:04

with the research industry

3:06

in general, mostly because, you

3:08

know, it wasn't just the company I

3:10

was working for that was trying its

3:12

best. It's all research in

3:14

general. But there were a lot of things

3:16

that I felt we were doing that weren't

3:19

very ethical and were

3:21

not what I had learned the scientific

3:23

method to be. And, you

3:25

know, the truth is research is very difficult

3:27

to do. It's really hard. And so money

3:29

ends up making the difference to try to

3:31

fill those gaps. And I did have clients

3:34

come to me and say, you

3:36

know, we want the result of this study to be X.

3:39

And I would say, that's not how it

3:41

works. But in the

3:43

end, you know, that is how it works, right?

3:45

Talking to my manager, other people, you know, know

3:47

that that's how it works. You know, they're paying

3:50

for the study. And that's kind of what

3:52

I found then was there are a whole

3:54

bunch of problems in the research that we

3:56

could not address that were

3:58

really difficult. that

14:00

choice and so it's usually not going

14:02

to be a big deal. But parents,

14:04

this is where the two trains of

14:06

thoughts come in and one is

14:08

this idea that well to show I'm a

14:10

good parent I've got to keep a record and

14:13

to keep a record I need to take

14:15

my kid to well visits and if I

14:17

stop taking my kid to well visits you

14:19

know it'll look bad for me later if

14:22

something did happen if CPS came if it

14:24

came to a trial if something like that

14:26

happened you know if I stopped taking them

14:28

that could be looked at as bad

14:30

parenting in my opinion that's

14:33

not necessarily true let's

14:35

say like it may be

14:37

looked at as some kind of evidence but

14:39

it's not enough evidence alone to say you're

14:41

a bad parent because there's always other evidence

14:43

that you can present that your child is

14:46

healthy well that you've made good choices for

14:48

your child the other train of thought

14:50

which is more of the train that I'm on is

14:52

you know when there's no record

14:54

like let's say for me

14:57

personally I only

14:59

take my children to alternative health care providers

15:01

that's my choice that's what I do with

15:03

my kids and so I don't have a

15:06

typical medical record for most of

15:08

my kids and so when there's

15:10

no record there's actually no evidence

15:12

either way when you go to

15:14

a courtroom right it cannot be

15:16

used against you that you have

15:18

not taken your child to

15:21

a clinic so those are

15:23

a couple things to think about but

15:26

I think if the ultimate fear is

15:28

CPS and their child getting taken away

15:30

then that's something else we should discuss

15:32

entirely if that makes sense yeah that's

15:34

so good to know because they were

15:36

saying I have to go to well

15:38

visits to have the record the evidence

15:40

to show that I've been taking care

15:42

of my child if something were to

15:44

happen to the child if they got

15:46

some cancer some you know major thing

15:49

I need to have this evidence so

15:51

that's really interesting you said that and

15:53

so you touched upon vaccines I know

15:55

there's different legal laws in different

15:57

states right about vaccines and so

15:59

parents have a choice, but then they

16:01

sometimes don't have a choice if it's dependent

16:03

on them going to a public school. I

16:06

mean, what rights do parents have? Yeah.

16:08

So a parent can always choose

16:10

not to vaccinate if that was

16:12

the choice they would like to

16:14

make. However, like you

16:17

said, if a parent also wants

16:19

a child to go to public school, then

16:21

they may have to obtain what's called an

16:23

exemption for their child to go

16:25

to school and remain unvaccinated. Some

16:28

states, there are actually, well,

16:30

now I guess there's four. There's

16:32

only four states that do not

16:34

have a religious belief exemption, but

16:36

most do at least have a

16:38

religious belief exemption and a medical

16:41

exemption. So under the

16:43

federal law under Jacobson v.

16:45

Massachusetts, every state must,

16:47

must, especially if a procedure,

16:50

a medication, a vaccination is

16:52

mandatory, they must

16:54

provide an exemption of

16:56

some kind, at least a medical exemption

16:59

and likely a religious belief exemption

17:01

as well, which is why now

17:04

Mississippi is going to be required

17:06

to allow religious belief exemptions. And

17:09

hopefully the rest of the four states will have

17:11

to follow suit pretty soon. But,

17:13

you know, other states also

17:15

include a philosophical belief exemption,

17:17

which is awesome, right? I

17:19

think every state should have that, that would

17:21

be really great. But at the very minimum,

17:24

states must provide a religious belief exemption

17:26

as well as a medical exemption. And

17:29

I know California, everybody thinks about

17:31

California doesn't have that. They

17:33

do have a medical exemption still, but

17:35

what you will have to do is

17:38

say because of my religious beliefs, I

17:41

am choosing not to vaccinate my child, right?

17:43

If that's the exemption you want, or if

17:45

your child is medically injured by a vaccine,

17:47

which does happen, then you'll

17:49

have to go to a doctor and

17:52

show my child is injured. They can't

17:54

take any more vaccinations. Therefore, I need

17:56

a medical exemption for vaccination. So

17:58

you can do that as far as homeschooling, right?

18:00

If you choose to homeschool

18:02

your child, although some

18:05

states are threatening to try

18:07

to force homeschoolers to mandate

18:09

vaccination, I don't think that's

18:11

gonna fly anytime soon, but

18:14

as long as you homeschool your child,

18:16

you will not have to choose vaccinations

18:18

for them. So parents always have a

18:20

choice. They always have a choice. But

18:23

depending on what other choices you want to

18:25

make for your child, and if that choice

18:27

includes public school, you may have

18:29

to apply for an exemption or, you

18:31

know, consider other choices. Okay,

18:34

so I'm curious because I follow someone

18:36

on Instagram who lived in California and

18:38

said that she didn't want to vaccinate

18:41

her kids. And so the

18:43

schools would not allow exemptions. So

18:45

she ended up just moving to

18:47

Arizona. So is that not correct?

18:50

So they California does have

18:52

a medical exemption still, but

18:55

it is incredibly difficult to

18:57

obtain a medical exemption. And

19:00

they are actively going after doctors who

19:02

are giving exemptions. And

19:04

so when she says there's no exemptions,

19:07

likely what she's talking about is there's

19:09

no philosophical exemption and no religious belief

19:11

exemption. And therefore, you know, because she

19:14

didn't want to vaccinate her child and

19:16

her child had no injury to

19:18

it, it was going to be impossible

19:21

for her to obtain that medical exemption.

19:23

Wow. Okay, so you touched

19:25

upon this that it's really hard to

19:27

get a medical exemption. They're coming after

19:30

the practitioners that are giving those. And

19:33

so why are they coming

19:35

after those that are giving the medical exemptions?

19:38

There is one man in

19:40

California that is really spearheading

19:43

this movement, and this is

19:45

Senator Richard Pan. He is a medical doctor

19:47

as well as a senator, and

19:50

he is very,

19:52

very backed by many

19:54

pharmaceutical companies. And,

19:57

you know, in his estimation,

24:00

choice to birth at home, regardless of

24:02

whether home birth is regulated by your

24:04

state, right? It's just, can you get

24:06

a licensed midwife? That's the question. That

24:08

is so good to know because you

24:11

do hear that it's illegal or their

24:13

state won't allow home birth. So really,

24:15

it's those states that don't, they don't

24:17

certify midwives. Is that the right terminology?

24:20

Yeah, terminology. Yeah, they

24:22

don't regulate midwives or license them. Oh,

24:24

license them. That's the word I'm

24:26

looking for. So in states that don't license

24:28

midwives, it's not illegal. It's

24:30

just that you're going to use a contract

24:32

labor or it's going to be free birth,

24:35

which we don't really have any laws about.

24:37

Correct. Okay, good to know.

24:39

That will clear up things, I think,

24:42

for a few people. Okay, so then

24:44

let's go back to homeschooling though, because

24:46

I know it's a really

24:48

trendy thing these days. People are really looking

24:50

into it wanting to do it. So

24:53

is it legal in every state or are there

24:55

hoops that people have to jump through in different

24:57

states? What are the laws and rights on

25:00

that? Yes, so homeschool is legal in

25:02

every state. Under those two cases from 1923 and

25:04

1925, we talked about before, states cannot stop people

25:09

from homeschooling their children. However, because

25:12

they do have police powers, sometimes

25:14

they can put stipulations on that. So

25:17

certain states might ask you to give

25:19

them a curriculum or require

25:21

you to tell them that you're

25:23

going to homeschool or keep an

25:25

attendance sheet. Those are

25:27

all pretty popular, but every

25:30

state must allow homeschool. Okay,

25:32

that is good to know. All

25:34

right, I'm going to move on

25:36

to practitioners. We talked about it

25:38

just a little bit, especially after

25:40

COVID. You heard a lot about

25:42

practitioners, like, oh, these practitioners can't

25:44

practice these holistic methods or these

25:47

alternative methods or they're regulated by

25:49

the law. It's illegal. And so

25:51

here in America, do practitioners have

25:53

certain laws of things they

25:55

can't do in the holistic space or that's

25:57

just sort of made up on social media?

26:00

if they're licensed, so if they're a

26:02

licensed practitioner, then the

26:04

state may put certain regulations

26:06

or the medical board may

26:08

put certain regulations on that

26:10

practitioner. So that practitioner

26:12

may or may not be able

26:15

to do certain things. So a

26:17

great example of this was during

26:19

COVID, Ibermectin, many of the state

26:21

regulatory boards, there's actually kind

26:23

of like for lawyers, there's

26:25

the ABA, which controls the

26:27

bar and the bar exam.

26:29

So for medical practitioners, they

26:31

have one of those and

26:33

that organization told all

26:36

the licensing boards, you

26:38

need to stop all practitioners from using

26:40

Ibermectin, you can't do that. And

26:42

so many of the medical boards

26:45

started to go after practitioners put

26:47

out the statements and things saying,

26:49

if you're licensed, you can't use

26:51

Ibermectin because the CDC says so,

26:54

et cetera. And they

26:56

would go after doctors who were doing

26:58

that. So if a

27:00

practitioner is licensed, they may be limited.

27:03

However, there are ways

27:05

to protect practitioners who are, even

27:07

those who are licensed, but there

27:09

are also unlicensed practitioners and there

27:12

are also naturopathic doctors. Sometimes

27:14

NDs are not regulated by the

27:16

state, many states are not like

27:19

that, but Utah where you live,

27:21

NDs are regulated by the state

27:23

and you can get a naturopathic

27:25

doctorate, but that would be a

27:27

whole other board and system. But

27:29

most of the unlicensed practitioners, it's

27:31

really a contract between you and

27:33

the practitioner. And once

27:35

you make that contract, they can treat you

27:37

the way that you have asked in

27:40

that contract to be treated. As

27:42

far as licensed practitioners go to

27:44

protect them, they could also use

27:46

this method. They can also

27:48

have specific contracts with their patients.

27:50

They can also form something that's

27:53

called a private membership association, which

27:56

says, we are both private

27:58

citizens, we're agreeing to this.

28:00

treatment, I know that this is outside

28:02

of the standard of care. It's like a

28:04

waiver, right? Like, I know this is not

28:06

what you usually do. I

28:08

know that this is not how you're supposed

28:10

to treat, but I am asking for it.

28:12

I'm agreeing to it, and I'm agreeing to

28:14

the consequences that might follow. So

28:16

those are some ways licensed practitioners

28:18

can get around that. But yes,

28:20

medical boards can really tie down

28:22

licensed practitioners. That is

28:25

fascinating. And I didn't realize that

28:27

about private memberships because so

28:29

many doctors have been like saying that lately.

28:31

And I know my mom, who I helped

28:33

with her healthcare, her main doctor

28:35

just said, I'm turning to a private membership. This

28:38

is how much it costs yearly. And

28:40

so for instance, I'll just use

28:42

your ivermectin example. Could they

28:44

then prescribe ivermectin like to my mom,

28:46

but not get in trouble because it's

28:48

a private membership? And so the board

28:50

couldn't come after them? Is that what

28:52

you're saying? Yes, because the

28:54

idea of a private membership is you're

28:57

no longer acting in the public sphere.

28:59

So it's private. It's just between you

29:01

and that doctor. And under

29:03

the constitution, we have rights to contract.

29:05

And actually that's an enumerated right.

29:08

It's one that the Supreme Court and

29:10

as well as the constitution actually talks

29:12

about is the right to make contracts.

29:15

So you are making a private contract

29:17

that has nothing to do with their

29:19

public sphere of being a doctor. And

29:22

therefore, you know, other agencies

29:25

and public entities, the state can't

29:27

really come into this private agreement

29:29

because you're deciding we're doing

29:31

this outside. So another example of

29:33

this with private memberships is

29:35

like even in dry counties, let's say

29:37

in a dry county is one, you

29:39

know, you can't have alcohol in certain

29:42

places. Utah has many dry counties, right?

29:44

So in dry counties, if you have

29:46

a private membership, you can actually still

29:48

have alcohol and sell alcohol to that

29:51

private membership because it's not public. It's

29:53

not for everybody. It's only for those

29:55

people who are in that private membership.

29:57

So yeah, a lot of holistic practitioners.

30:00

are starting to use this method because that's

30:02

what it really should be, right? It's just

30:04

between you and the doctor and it's your

30:06

private contract. And it's a way

30:09

that they can actually treat their patients in

30:11

a way that is right with them,

30:13

right? Is right with their soul and allows

30:15

them to do what they feel is

30:17

best for the patient. It's restoring the doctor-patient

30:20

relationship. Okay, so in my mom's case, it

30:22

is just a Western MD, right? Practices

30:24

Western Medicine and is a doctor. So do

30:26

you think more and more doctors are

30:28

going to go this route then so

30:30

that their license is protected and they

30:32

can practice how they want? Oh

30:35

yeah, definitely. It's becoming quite popular. So

30:37

then the medical board that oversees everything

30:39

is really going to lose their power

30:41

if people do this. They

30:43

may and I have a feeling there's going

30:45

to be a little bit of pushback and

30:47

maybe a lot of pushback. And

30:50

we will see what that ends up

30:52

looking like. But for now, I would

30:54

say, you know, in America, I will

30:56

say this in America, the contract is

30:58

sacred. It's just the

31:00

truth. It's just the truth about the

31:02

United States of America. The contract is

31:04

really sacred. It's what are the foundation

31:06

of our country. And, you

31:08

know, we came together as states in the beginning.

31:11

You know, only nine came together and it

31:14

was based upon this contract. The idea was,

31:16

oh, we're doing this so that we can

31:18

have commerce together. We can have interstate commerce

31:20

and we can help each other. And that's

31:23

why we're United States. Right. And in

31:25

many ways, the Constitution is just a

31:28

contract. Right. It's a contract that we

31:30

all abide by. And so

31:32

contracts are pretty strong. That doesn't

31:34

mean they're unbreakable, especially if they're

31:36

not well written or well balanced,

31:38

put into place. So you

31:41

have to be careful with who you trust

31:43

to create a private membership association or any

31:45

of these things. But I do

31:47

think it's going to be a little bit harder for

31:50

states to break this than they

31:53

might think. So interesting. So I

31:55

know after COVID, it was in the news

31:57

that quite a few doctors lost their licenses,

32:00

whether like medical exemptions for vaccines

32:02

like you were talking about or

32:04

not giving the COVID vaccine different

32:06

things. So had they been in

32:08

this private membership that the patient

32:11

who got the medical exemption for not

32:13

getting the vaccine, that doctor would have

32:15

been protected. Most likely, most likely.

32:17

I can't say a hundred percent of

32:19

the time because you also don't know,

32:21

you know, judges are just people and so

32:23

they all have their own biases, influences,

32:25

and every state law is going to

32:27

be a little bit different. The common

32:29

law will be different, but for the

32:31

most part they are more

32:34

likely to be protected and would

32:36

have been more protected if they

32:38

were in private contracts or had

32:41

a private membership association. But many

32:43

of those doctors are actually getting their licenses

32:45

restored, like Dr. Peter McCullough is a good

32:47

example of this, and I

32:50

think there is going to be that

32:52

pushback and hopefully we will

32:54

have learned a little bit as

32:57

these practitioners get their licenses restored. My

32:59

hope is, and I don't know if

33:01

this will actually happen, but my hope

33:03

is that, you know, the medical boards

33:06

will have learned a little bit of

33:08

their lesson not to try

33:10

to take away licenses, especially when we're

33:12

in the middle of a giant experiment.

33:14

But we'll have to see, but yes,

33:17

theoretically they would have been protected. Let's

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today. Now back to the

34:15

show. I

34:17

want to ask you about naturopaths because

34:19

you said that some states don't license

34:22

naturopaths. So does that mean those states

34:24

just don't have a naturopath program? You

34:26

can't go see a naturopath doctor? No,

34:29

you could still see one, but it

34:31

would just be private. It'd be unlicensed,

34:34

right? So many naturopathic doctors are licensed

34:36

in Arizona actually. There are lots of

34:38

other programs around the country, but the

34:40

one in Arizona is probably the most

34:43

popular and rigorous. And then they can

34:45

get that license in another state or

34:47

they can go to a school in

34:49

their state. But their state, that

34:52

school is not going to be board certified. So it's not

34:54

going to be licensed. They're not going to get licensed. So

34:56

it's going to be like, you know,

34:58

anyone can make their own school, right?

35:00

Like you can make a certification for

35:02

anything. You can say like, come, take

35:05

my certification, come to my school, but

35:07

it's not going to be recognized by

35:09

the state or controlled by the state.

35:11

So, you know, states may have

35:14

many different naturopathic doctor

35:16

programs. They're just not going

35:18

to be recognized as board certified in

35:21

that state or as licensed in that

35:23

state. But they can still practice just

35:25

like any unlicensed practitioner can practice. But

35:27

it's going to end up being a

35:29

private contract situation. OK, I

35:31

did not know this. I thought a

35:33

naturopathic doctor like went to their medical

35:35

school of naturopathy. You know what I

35:37

mean? And was board certified. And so

35:40

if they're not certified, though, does that make someone

35:42

nervous of like, oh, did they only go to

35:45

a year of school? Is this just a six

35:47

month program they went through? Do they even really

35:49

know what they're talking about? You know what I

35:51

mean? It makes me a little nervous. It

35:54

depends on the program they went through. Like I

35:56

talked about, the one in Arizona is incredibly rigorous.

35:58

It's probably more rigorous. than most

36:00

medical schools that people are asked to

36:03

attend and that your

36:05

doctor goes through. But

36:07

when you work with someone who

36:10

is unlicensed, yeah, you are taking

36:12

the gamble on them, their education

36:14

and what they actually know, right?

36:17

But I would say, and maybe you can say

36:19

that this holds true, I would say that you

36:21

might have some knowledge on this being in the

36:23

holistic space, but in the holistic space,

36:26

oftentimes if you are, let's say like

36:28

a fraud or a bad practitioner or

36:31

like you are loading, vitamins with

36:33

sawdust or whatever it is, your

36:35

reputation is everything. And once you get found

36:38

out, right? Like once someone says that and

36:40

you gain a bad reputation, no one's gonna

36:42

start going to you, right? If you feel

36:44

legitimate, you know? And this is the way

36:46

the market works for most things. Most

36:49

products, if it's a really good product, if it's

36:51

a scam product for a while, they might have

36:53

five stars, right? For a little bit, they got

36:55

all those robots or whoever it was to give

36:58

them five stars, but they're

37:00

gonna drop no matter what because people will buy it

37:02

and then they'll say, give reviews or

37:04

whatever it is and say, no, this isn't gonna work

37:06

for me. I would compare naturopathic

37:08

doctors or alternative practitioners, even chiropractors,

37:10

in many cases live in this

37:12

same kind of world where if

37:14

they're not legitimate, right? They're gonna

37:16

hang by a string and ultimately

37:18

get pushed out of the market

37:20

most likely. Yeah, that makes sense.

37:23

And it comes down to the

37:25

patient, just like it comes down

37:27

to the consumer to do their research and

37:29

understand who they're going to go see, just

37:31

like they need to understand what product they

37:33

are buying. But that actually

37:35

leads me in to wanna talk about

37:37

products because you're talking about products being

37:39

a fraud and

37:41

now being in the supplement world

37:44

and making supplements, I am dying

37:46

at what companies can

37:48

put in their supplements because there's

37:50

no regulation, at least that

37:52

I'm aware of. And so the other day

37:54

we actually tested a turmeric powder and

37:57

we're making an anti-inflammatory supplement.

38:00

and this turmeric that came in was

38:02

legit rice powder with maybe

38:04

one or 2% turmeric

38:06

just sprayed on the rice powder. And I

38:08

about died because I'm like, you still

38:11

label it as turmeric, you could put that

38:13

in a pill and people are having rice

38:15

powder rather than their turmeric and

38:17

there's no one regulating this, correct? Well,

38:20

there is in some senses a

38:22

little bit of regulation. In

38:24

a general sense, as we think about it,

38:27

like the FDA or something like that, no,

38:29

they're not regulated by the FDA. However, they

38:33

are going to be liable for any

38:35

false marketing under the FTC, which

38:38

is our federal agency that their

38:40

job is to go after people

38:42

who are falsely marketing,

38:45

advertising, and doing things that

38:47

they shouldn't be doing. And

38:49

I have many feelings about

38:51

the FTC in many ways, but

38:54

the FTC does even go after

38:56

really small people who lie. Sometimes

38:59

they do that. Sometimes they don't go

39:01

after the right people, but anyone can

39:03

say, hey, there's false claims, this is

39:05

just rice powder, and the

39:08

FTC will and can go after that

39:10

person. So in that sense, they're a

39:12

little bit regulated. And also, like we

39:14

talked about, it's mostly gonna be

39:16

the market that's regulating them, right? It's

39:19

mostly gonna be proprietary testing certifications

39:21

or you're really gonna have to

39:23

do your research generally,

39:26

and it's gonna be up to the consumer

39:28

to be their own regulator. And

39:30

so tell people what FTC stands

39:33

for. They're the Federal Technology Commission.

39:35

Their job is, combined with

39:37

the FDA, there's some overlap between the FDA

39:39

and the FTC, but

39:42

the FTC's job is

39:44

to make sure false advertising isn't

39:46

rampant, especially when it comes to

39:48

food and drug product. So their

39:50

job is to say, are there

39:53

false claims? Is this product actually

39:55

doing what it's doing? They do

39:57

work a lot off of reports.

40:00

Like if you want to report something

40:02

you feel is false marketing and maybe

40:04

you find out that your turmeric powder

40:06

is actually rice powder, you can submit

40:08

a complaint to the FTC and then

40:11

they will look at that product

40:13

for themselves. Sometimes

40:16

the FTC is seen in

40:18

this light that they're going after all

40:20

the little people for really

40:22

mundane small things, like not having

40:24

the right kind of unsubscribe button

40:27

or something like that. But

40:29

sometimes the FTC is going

40:31

after the right people,

40:34

but if more people knew about

40:37

this resource that we could report people to

40:39

the FTC, I think for

40:41

the false advertising and marketing, I think

40:43

a lot more products would be more

40:46

well regulated and maybe the right kind

40:48

of products would be looked at by

40:50

the FTC. Yeah. Does

40:52

that make sense? Yeah. I mean,

40:54

and like I said, being in the supplement world, the

40:57

FTC is very good about making sure

40:59

you say the right things on your

41:01

labeling, I feel like. You can't claim

41:03

like, oh, this is going to cure

41:05

cancer or this is going to cure

41:08

your heart disease. You can't say

41:10

stuff like that and they are very

41:12

strict about that. But when it comes

41:14

to the actual powders and ingredients and

41:16

things in products, that's where

41:18

I don't think they're checking very

41:20

often. I mean, you hear about like, for

41:23

instance, there was the CBD study and they

41:25

went and tested 20, I

41:28

can't remember, it's like 20 different CBDs at

41:30

a show. It was some natural

41:32

show and only three of them came back

41:34

with the actual amounts of CBD that were

41:37

listed on the label. And so

41:39

some had far, far less amounts of CBD.

41:41

And so I feel like they're good at

41:43

what we can write on the label and

41:45

can't write. But when it comes to

41:47

the actual ingredients in the product, I

41:49

don't know if there's many checking that. Yeah,

41:52

it's true. Also, sorry,

41:54

I mixed, I was mixing them up with

41:56

the FCC, but they're the Federal Trade Commission.

42:00

for federal trade commission. Sorry. That's

42:02

what I thought. But yeah, I'm glad you

42:04

said that. Okay, so let's

42:06

actually talk about the FDA and the

42:08

EPA because you do hear about them

42:11

and a lot of things when we're

42:13

talking about products. And so

42:15

maybe just tell people the difference between

42:17

them. Yeah, so the

42:19

FDA is the Food and

42:22

Drug Administration. So it's particularly

42:24

focused on our food and

42:27

more so vaccines, biologics, blood

42:29

work and the drugs and

42:31

manufacturers of drugs and things like

42:34

that. So the FDA is really

42:36

focused on food and drug, but the

42:38

EPA is about our environment, right? It's

42:40

the Environmental Protection Agency. And

42:43

their job is to make sure

42:45

that, well, hopefully

42:47

their job is to make sure

42:49

that our environment is protected

42:52

and that mostly that these

42:54

companies or states or other people

42:56

aren't polluting, overly polluting our environment.

42:59

Okay, so you hear all

43:01

the time people frustrated with both these agencies

43:04

because you'll hear like in the EU, there's

43:07

so many more restrictions on food products

43:09

and artificial dyes. And in the beauty

43:11

industry, they ban so many more chemicals

43:13

than they do here in America. And

43:16

so thoughts on that? Like why isn't

43:18

our FDA or EPA more involved in

43:20

these things? My thought

43:23

on this is we

43:25

have let our federal agencies

43:27

now be run by the

43:30

manufacturers they're supposed to regulate. So

43:33

we call this, in the law

43:36

we call this federal capture, agency

43:38

capture. And in my

43:40

opinion, many of the agencies that we

43:42

work with have been captured by

43:45

the industries that they're meant to be

43:47

regulating and meant to be holding

43:49

their feet to the fire, really.

43:51

And because of that, you know,

43:53

a lot of people don't understand

43:56

even how the regulatory scheme works

43:58

and how these products are. meaning

50:00

I could not believe this is like

50:02

happening in my ears. This

50:04

is about, this was actually about, um, a

50:07

vaccine that they would like to give to

50:09

pregnant women. And the study

50:12

that had been done showed some

50:14

pretty bad indicators that this

50:16

could possibly cause up to

50:19

a 20% rise in preterm birth.

50:24

Wow. It's a big deal. It's

50:26

a big deal. And big rises in miscarriage.

50:28

Now, uh, because of

50:30

the data, because they didn't have as

50:32

much, we can't say for sure how

50:34

much of a rise in preterm birth

50:36

this vaccine may cause or

50:38

maybe a factor in, however, there's the

50:41

potential for 20%. Right.

50:44

And another thing that

50:46

was presented right, mostly by the

50:48

public, not by the FDA or

50:50

by the manufacturer was that GSK

50:52

also tried to make this same vaccine.

50:55

And they stopped trying to make this same

50:57

vaccine because they had the same results of

51:00

preterm birth and stillbirth in their study over

51:02

20%. The products

51:04

are very similar, almost identical.

51:07

And you know, the committee is

51:09

sitting there and they're discussing

51:11

and I can tell that Hannah

51:13

Salle, Dr. Salle is in charge

51:15

of this particular committee. I

51:18

can tell she's frustrated and

51:20

you know, that she doesn't

51:22

like this. She's, she's no

51:24

BGYN. She's quite concerned about

51:26

this preterm birth rate, but

51:29

the manufacturer hops on and

51:31

gives this little speech about

51:33

how dare you take

51:35

away this product that'll save so

51:38

many lives. Don't you dare stand in the

51:40

way of this product that's going to save

51:42

so many lives because you're concerned about a

51:44

coincidence. Wow. These are some

51:46

of the, yeah. Yeah. These are sometimes

51:49

the statement, right? The pressure that a

51:51

lot of these committee members are under

51:53

in some ways is unfathomable. And I

51:55

don't think people think about that, that

51:57

these committee members, you know, they have

52:00

ties to. the FDA and many of

52:02

them will then end

52:04

up working very closely with

52:06

these manufacturers, right? If not

52:09

getting a seat on the board later. And so

52:11

there's a lot of pressure for them to say

52:13

yes in many, many ways. And

52:16

you know, in this case, this

52:18

was the first vaccine I had seen

52:20

that actually got four no votes, even

52:23

though it was a committee of 14. So 10 yes

52:25

votes, it's still passed. And you

52:27

know, all the people who voted no felt

52:29

like they really had to justify themselves. They

52:31

were so afraid. They were so afraid that

52:33

they had said no. So

52:36

these are things we don't often think about, but

52:38

this is what's happening. And this is part

52:40

of the manufacturer's sway. So

52:42

yes, we should be really careful in

52:44

trusting our regulatory agencies. I'm not saying

52:47

everyone there is bad or everybody there

52:49

is in cahoots. That's not it

52:51

at all. But on a general scale,

52:53

there's a lot of money and a lot

52:55

of people. And there's a lot of pressure.

52:58

And when those combine, it can be really

53:00

difficult to get a good, safe product. Wow.

53:03

You know what? Listening to this, the only

53:05

thought that comes to my mind is the

53:07

consumers have to do their own research. They

53:10

have to just be educated and empower

53:12

themselves with their own knowledge and

53:14

then make their own choice dependent on

53:17

what they have learned and researched themselves.

53:19

Thank you so much for sharing all of that. We could

53:21

talk about that for hours. One

53:24

thing I do want to say

53:26

about these regulatory agencies like the

53:29

FDA, EPA, I do have

53:31

a love hate relationship with them. There's

53:33

things that I wish they would do

53:35

better, like ban some ingredients and look

53:37

at the health of the body when

53:39

doing things. But there are

53:41

times that I know as making my

53:43

own products that they are involved in.

53:45

For instance, some of the certifications are

53:48

really hard to get. We have the

53:50

gluten free certification and it is very,

53:52

very strict. And I mean

53:54

the things that they make us do before

53:56

we bag a product, I mean we're cleaning

53:59

the air vents. cleaning the floor, the

54:01

ceiling, we're cleaning every little aspect of the

54:03

room and you can only

54:05

have X amount of gluten, you know, show

54:08

up on your test as you swab. So

54:10

it takes hours and hours to get the

54:12

room gluten-free certified. So there

54:14

are things like that and

54:16

I even know with organic, getting that

54:18

organic certification label, it's some hard paperwork

54:20

and strict standards and so there are

54:22

things that they are doing, correct? We

54:25

just need them to do correct on

54:27

all the other things as well. Yeah,

54:30

definitely. Yeah, and I'm

54:32

not saying you should completely boycott

54:34

everything and that everything the

54:36

FDA does is bad per se, but

54:38

like you said, it's a teeter-totter. It's

54:40

a love-hate relationship and the

54:42

consumer really just has to do their own

54:45

part and say, okay, even if it's got

54:47

this FDA approval or this label does not

54:49

necessarily mean it's safe for me and my

54:51

unique circumstance because we're

54:53

all very individual. Yes,

54:56

I agree 100%. Like

54:58

I said, I could ask you so

55:00

many more questions. We have hit

55:02

our time and we might just have to do

55:04

a part two because there's so many other laws

55:07

and things that I want to ask you about

55:09

and I know followers now are probably so intrigued

55:11

by all of this, but as

55:13

we wrap up here, this might have

55:15

been a little overwhelming or discouraging to

55:17

people and so what's your advice that

55:19

you would give these listeners after listening

55:21

to this show? I would

55:23

say there are so many resources out

55:25

there that can help you and there

55:28

are things just right

55:30

at your fingertips now that can

55:33

really help you navigate the law,

55:35

navigate these issues. There are

55:37

good people like Carlin who are

55:39

producing awesome products. It's not

55:41

as difficult as you think to do the

55:43

research on these things and even if you

55:46

just try, things will get better. If each

55:48

of us just did one tiny thing, right?

55:50

One tiny thing a day, things will definitely

55:52

get better and of course, always check in

55:54

with source. Always check in with God, with

55:56

your intuition, with yourself and you

55:58

won't be able to go wrong. I

56:00

love that. Everyone who's listening, if you

56:03

want to learn more, go give

56:05

her a follow on Instagram. It's

56:07

the crunchy legal lady and you

56:10

will learn about all different topics. I've

56:12

seen you do things from, like you

56:14

said, home births to homeschooling to vaccines

56:16

to agencies to all the

56:18

things we've talked about and more today. Is

56:20

that the only place people can find you or where

56:23

else can they find you? Yeah. So

56:25

my website is

56:27

crunchylegalady.com. And on

56:29

that website, I have a bunch

56:31

of freebies for people, free guides

56:33

about writing exemptions, free guides about

56:35

keeping your bodily autonomy. And I

56:37

do have some courses. I have

56:39

some courses and other webinars and

56:41

things coming out to really help

56:43

people get a hold of their

56:46

own sovereignty. So please find

56:48

me at crunchylegalady.com.

56:50

I love it. Thank you so much for

56:53

being here on the show. And like I

56:55

said, followers, go give her a follow. And

56:57

I always end my podcast episodes by

57:00

asking my guests what they have found

57:02

to be the best ingredient in life.

57:04

What would you say it is? Well,

57:06

I would actually say it's alchemy. It's

57:08

the ability of all things to come

57:10

together for your good and to transform,

57:14

you know, what may seem negative into a

57:16

positive in a very beautiful way. Oh

57:19

my goodness. That, like, just gave me chills.

57:21

No one has ever given that as their

57:23

answer. And I love that, that

57:25

it all can come together in a beautiful way.

57:28

Take your negative things in life,

57:30

your hard things in life, your

57:32

trials and turn them into something

57:34

positive. I love that. If we all did that, could you

57:36

imagine how beautiful this world would

57:38

be? And everyone has the ability to alchemize

57:40

their life. Everyone has the ability to turn

57:43

the negative into the positive. Oh, I love

57:45

that. Yes, they do. Thank you for ending

57:47

our show with that thought. I'm going to

57:49

actually go ponder on that some more. So

57:51

thank you again for taking the time to

57:54

be here. And I know the listeners learned

57:56

a lot and I appreciate

57:58

you being here. Yeah, thank you so much. much.