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the 27th. Antisemitism

0:46

has become a scourge. It's been festering

0:48

for years. Academics, government

0:51

institutions, the United Nations, all

0:54

nations have been really ignoring it for

0:56

too long, and that is what created

0:59

the perfect environment for the horrible

1:01

attack by Hamas to occur. We're going to tackle it

1:03

head on. For the next hour, you're going to hear

1:05

a very powerful group

1:07

of people talk about why,

1:09

how, antisemitism grew,

1:11

how we combat it, how we change

1:13

it, how do we keep another generation

1:15

of young Americans from being poisoned like

1:17

the current generation. We're going to kick

1:20

things off in just a few seconds with Alan

1:22

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1:24

years at Harvard

1:26

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That is the purpose of tonight's special and we're

4:02

very excited to be doing it. I want to

4:04

bring in my amazing co-host Amanda. I think a

4:06

lot of folks before

4:08

October 7th were probably fully unaware

4:11

of just how deep rooted anti-Semitism

4:13

was, but it is a

4:15

real dynamic now that almost

4:17

every American is talking about it. I guess the

4:19

fact that they're talking about it is a good

4:21

start, no? Absolutely.

4:23

Yeah. I mean, this was bubbling beneath the

4:25

surface and now it is out there in

4:27

the open for the most part so we

4:30

can actually tackle it. But we have to

4:32

work to amplify the voices of those who

4:34

speak out against this hate and work together

4:36

to create a society that celebrates religious freedoms

4:38

across the board. And I think that education

4:40

is powerful. It's a powerful weapon in this

4:42

battle. And the people who are

4:44

going to be joining us tonight are going to

4:46

be able to help all of us foster a

4:48

better understanding of how we can destroy and dismantle

4:50

the ignorance, the fuels, all

4:52

of this discrimination, especially anti-Semitism.

4:54

And like you stated, ever

4:57

since October 7th, this is a pivotal

4:59

time in history. And I think that

5:01

a lot of our fellow citizens, as

5:03

well as those overseas globally, fail to

5:05

remember that America is only so strong

5:08

due to our ability to embrace differences

5:10

and stand against injustice. So quite frankly,

5:12

I think it's just heartening to see

5:14

this tapestry of diversity woven into our

5:16

foundation, which is where we adopt our

5:19

guiding principles and righteous morals from be

5:21

absolutely destroyed by bigotry. So tonight, just as

5:23

we have done throughout this last year, we

5:25

are going to highlight this critical truth to

5:27

shine a light on this devastating issue at

5:29

hand and hopefully create helpful and positive change.

5:31

And John, this is a great reminder for

5:34

all of us who are watching that hate

5:36

in all forms, no matter who the target

5:38

is, it still finds refuge within our borders,

5:40

which is why we've all got to get

5:42

together in order to confront this very

5:44

uncomfortable truth. So let's get to Alan Dershowitz and many

5:46

of our other distinguished guests and hear what they have

5:49

to say tonight. John, why don't you get us started?

5:51

Well, yes, I'm so glad we're kicking this

5:53

show off with Professor Dershowitz for this reason.

5:55

He very early on when we started the

5:57

show a couple of years ago, he started

6:00

say this DEI, this CRT,

6:02

all of these concepts of

6:04

racial identity politics were in

6:06

danger of fostering and spreading

6:08

anti-Semitism. And boy, was he

6:10

right now. He's got an

6:12

extraordinary new book coming out, War Against

6:14

the Jews, How to End Hamas Barbarism.

6:16

Joining us right now, Harvard Law Professor

6:18

Meredith and our good friend, Alan Derschwirth.

6:20

Professor, great to have you back on,

6:22

sir. Congratulations on this book. Well,

6:26

thank you so much. You know, I wrote it

6:28

starting October 7th, the day these events occurred. And

6:30

the publisher said, if you can get it to

6:32

me in 30 days, I'll have it out in

6:35

60. And we did it. I got it to

6:37

him in 30. He got it out, making it

6:39

to the Guinness Book of Records. But you know,

6:41

I would begin with something that people don't remember

6:43

about history. And it's George

6:45

Washington. George Washington was the

6:48

first leader of any country to

6:50

give Jews equal rights anywhere in the world

6:52

before England did it, before France did it.

6:55

It was George Washington who wrote a letter

6:58

to the congregation, the Jewish

7:00

congregation in Touro Providence, Rhode

7:02

Island, in which he promised

7:04

the Jewish community to bigotry,

7:07

we will never sanction. All

7:09

are equal. All can sit

7:11

under their fig trees as long as they

7:13

are loyal to the United States. And I

7:15

think George Washington would be turning over in

7:18

his grave to see that

7:20

to bigotry we have given

7:22

sanction. We have protected bigotry.

7:24

The president of Harvard says,

7:26

I can't ever condemn people

7:29

who say genocide against the

7:32

Jews because after all, we

7:34

at Harvard believe in free

7:36

expression. No, you don't, President

7:38

Gay. You're in charge of

7:40

DEI, this whole nonsense about

7:43

how you suppress people, you

7:45

cancel people, you

7:47

deny people the right to speech

7:49

if they say a microaggression against

7:51

the black person or against the

7:54

gay person. You've divided university campuses

7:56

into the oppressors and the oppressed

7:58

under this nonsense. and intersectionality,

8:01

you're responsible for that.

8:03

And under intersectionality, the

8:06

oppressors, who are the Jews, the whites,

8:08

the Christians, they can do no

8:10

right. And the oppressed,

8:12

the Palestinians, can do no wrong.

8:15

So President Gaye, it's not just what

8:17

she said in front of Congress, which

8:20

was terrible. It's her

8:22

whole history of supporting this

8:24

bureaucracy, this DEI bureaucracy, which

8:26

is the incubator for anti-Semitism

8:28

and campuses all over the

8:31

country. Yeah, no doubt about it.

8:34

Right. But, Professor, without that testimony, I don't

8:36

know if we would have seen some of

8:38

the changes that we are already seeing. I

8:41

think that, you know, for anyone who graduates

8:43

from university, whether it's an Ivy League school

8:45

or otherwise, you get the fundraising calls every

8:47

year and you donate $100 or $1,000 or

8:51

if you're one of the big donors, you obviously get

8:53

courted by the university. But

8:55

I think that a lot of Jewish

8:58

Americans who are alumni of these universities,

9:00

they heard this testimony and

9:02

they were shocked. I mean, this, I think, has been

9:04

lying underneath the surface for a very long time.

9:07

But is the answer to this, you know, we

9:09

saw the $100 million pulled and that

9:11

made a big difference. Is that

9:13

going to be the answer going forward? I mean, just, you know,

9:16

the nature of capitalism, pulling that money if they're not

9:18

doing the right thing. Remember,

9:20

a lot of the donors who pulled

9:22

their money are not Jewish. One of

9:24

the first people to do this was

9:26

John Huntsman. Mormon ran for president. Wonderful,

9:29

wonderful man. And other non-Jews have done

9:31

the same thing. They don't want to

9:33

contribute to bigotry. They

9:35

understand George Washington. Look,

9:37

it has to be a multifaceted approach.

9:40

There has to be contributions that are

9:42

withheld. There has to be state

9:45

legislation. After all, half the universities

9:47

in this country or more are public

9:50

universities. I was educated at Brooklyn College,

9:52

a public university in the city of

9:54

New York, which has become a hotbed

9:56

of anti-Semitism. The City

9:58

University lost its place. Cool. One

10:00

of the worst law schools in

10:02

the United States has become a

10:04

center of anti semitism. Nice year

10:06

as the year I brought Guess

10:08

or Semitic speakers to be graduation

10:10

speakers the faculty voted unanimously to

10:12

boycott only one country the world.

10:14

Only one know it wasn't Iran.

10:16

Know it wasn't China, it was

10:19

of Israel. Magic be seen as

10:21

the Jewish student resigned a student.

10:23

somebody cares about justice at City

10:25

University the of law School and

10:27

knowing there isn't a single family

10:29

members, not a single. One. Who.

10:31

Has not join the anti semitic campaign,

10:33

To. Boycott Israel or in the

10:35

City of New York being paid

10:38

by taxpayers money and so would

10:40

ask me a multifaceted approach. Also,

10:43

Education. I mean if

10:45

if you ask me in a gee

10:47

if I slept on a G came

10:49

out of a model and suit you

10:52

have one with the one worse would

10:54

be to abolish the Z E I

10:56

bureaucracies. get rid of this diversity equity

10:59

inclusion bureaucracy which incorporates the since the

11:01

sexuality as the B D S movement

11:03

in all grows out. Of

11:06

this as and I'm but for the zoc

11:08

going to happen is not even a ten.

11:10

Where. They essentially fired the

11:12

President d I still prevails

11:15

and still has a double

11:17

standard you can't say anything

11:20

negative about. protected. Oppressed

11:22

minorities be you can say anything today.

11:24

I'm pleased about Jews because the First

11:26

Amendment applies to Jersey of President Gay.

11:29

Discover the First Amendment on it's over

11:31

seven. She had never known anything about

11:33

it was measured, never enforced. Persimmons to

11:36

the enemy of the First Mammoths and

11:38

then suddenly would it takes to would

11:40

love a garbage rules or woods would

11:43

prohibit are calling for genocide against the

11:45

jews. Oh the First Amendment somebody told

11:47

me about the first amount of ready

11:50

course for now the First Amendment. Applies

11:52

to hate speech against yours doesn't plan

11:54

anything else replies a speech he has

11:56

to do So that's the I'd. Now

11:59

and really, When you were talking about

12:01

this long before October seventh, you add your

12:03

radar right on this Allen's I want to

12:06

talk about something that seems like it needs

12:08

to be traded. Matt is a surveillance system

12:10

so that either K through twelve or in

12:12

college is some teacher uses the classrooms for

12:14

something other than instruction. We're not talking about

12:17

academic freedom else, but it's a cheater in

12:19

bed intolerance from any age on the education

12:21

system to see like we need an early

12:23

alert systems and then a disciplinary process. It'll

12:26

be free herbs but Route is our do

12:28

you think that can be done. I

12:31

do think that we need to know

12:33

what are teachers you doing in the

12:36

classroom. I spent six years as a

12:38

teacher. In. The sixty years, I

12:40

can't recall single instance where I ever

12:42

expressed a private personal political view in

12:44

the classroom. My students didn't know. Winners:

12:47

democrat, republican, a Zionist. you're an answer

12:49

unless they read my stuff outside of

12:51

class. But in class they couldn't tell.

12:54

That was my job was not to

12:56

teach the students what to think it

12:58

was to teach them how to thank

13:01

and know Teacher has the right to

13:03

propagandize students there in a captive audience.

13:05

Ah, you're grading them. You can't tell

13:07

them what to. Say. You. Can't

13:10

tell them what? Views

13:12

they are entitled to express: ah

13:14

in the classroom. Ah in

13:16

the full as classroom is a

13:18

sacred place. Because. The

13:21

government is giving a seizure

13:23

the right to indoctrinate young

13:25

services. you know, Karl Marx

13:28

one said. Give me

13:30

the student from age one to

13:32

six or you can happen the

13:34

rest of the time and that's

13:37

what's going on. At the earliest

13:39

stages we're seeing this d I

13:41

bureaucracy become the propaganda mill of

13:43

universities down through or elementary schools.

13:46

It has to stop. But. There.

13:48

Isn't a lot of pressure to soften

13:50

this point, particularly from among the families?

13:52

Look at the Harvard faculty. Seven hundred

13:55

of my colleagues. Wrote. A letter

13:57

defending of President's Day How anybody

13:59

can the defender against these charges?

14:02

I don't know and I'm of

14:04

but but still of Sarkozy as

14:06

the problem. Ninety seven percent of

14:09

the faculty lean last three percent

14:11

of the sadly we right. So

14:14

much for real diversity. Mazes

14:17

fall within centering this conversation on a

14:19

lot of universities that are on the

14:21

east coast that less forget that this

14:23

answer of anti semitism has infected west

14:25

as. Universities. As well,

14:27

University of Southern California long time

14:29

Economics professor John Strauss was walking

14:31

across campus when they were having

14:34

one of these pro Palestinian protests

14:36

and he remarked that Hamas for

14:38

murderers. This video was selectively edited

14:40

so said on. He. Was

14:42

suspended he had that suspension has now

14:44

been lifted but it concerns me that

14:46

has the benefit of the dealt with

14:49

place on these pro Palestinian protesters should

14:51

he sales to. Let me

14:53

start, the was never be single proof

14:55

house living in protest anywhere in the

14:57

United States. They're all. The answer is

14:59

Row Row A Mass protests. Has anybody

15:02

ever seen resign? Calling. For

15:04

help reduce their coins For a

15:06

two state solution, there has been

15:08

no single sign going for a

15:10

two state solution. Hamas is the

15:13

great enemy the Palestinian people to

15:15

know what he marches for Palestine

15:17

They march against Palestine. For Hamas,

15:19

They march against Israel. Many march

15:22

against Jews. But they do not

15:24

march for Palestine. Coast. Of

15:26

look, I support a Palestinian state

15:28

on the right circumstances, as is

15:30

warm states or derisory. a Palestinian

15:33

state. School remarks small states but

15:35

I'd been there. I've met with

15:37

the Prime minister's house, the authority

15:39

with the president vowels the authorities

15:41

with many members. Ramallah is a

15:43

beautiful city, is is nice as

15:46

Jerusalem's There isn't a single policemen.

15:48

They're there. isn't a single or

15:50

Israeli police mothers and single Israeli

15:52

soldier is an independent unit. It's

15:54

only a city. But. That could

15:56

be com. Of the West Bank.

15:59

City. They just said yes. They could

16:01

have state nineteen, Forty seven, Forty eight, We

16:03

could have had. One is sixty cents could

16:06

add one, and ninety four could add one.

16:08

Two thousand, two thousand and one. Grab one.

16:10

Two thousand and Five thousand, Two thousand and

16:12

seven. Ninety Seven percent of the West Bank

16:14

was orphaned. when capital answers one. And

16:17

And and return of Refugees and the Palestinian

16:19

said no Palestinian leadership has not managed to

16:21

take yes for an answer because they don't

16:24

care about a Palestinian. say they just want

16:26

the was out to be a nation. See

16:28

that the Jewish people anywhere in the Middle

16:30

East. That's what this is about as is

16:33

becoming clearer and clearer of it has to

16:35

is as you laid out. So where's our

16:37

I want to finish in the last couple

16:39

minutes on the deep rooted major of anti

16:42

semitism in our own institutions and the United

16:44

Nations of the State Department's approach se but

16:46

outside the why Does even Joe Biden wideouts

16:48

his own staff protesting against standing by? Israel's

16:51

How do we begin to Root the Saudi

16:53

Government because it seems like it's been there

16:55

a long time is very deep rooted. When.

16:58

I started to think about Israel

17:01

and eighty eight his tenure. We

17:04

already knew. Everybody in my community

17:06

knew that the greatest enemy of

17:08

Israel is years before the state

17:10

parks. The State Department kills hundreds

17:12

of thousands of Jews who. Could.

17:15

Have come in under the quotas

17:17

ah and avoided the holocaust. But.

17:19

The State Department, the State Department

17:21

have jews out. Because. As

17:24

a person in the state department of set

17:26

up we don't want to use in this

17:28

country or as member the set set back

17:30

then. They. Are. When.

17:32

We're talking about the kindertransport of young

17:35

babies. And young kids are too little

17:37

babies now, but they'll end up being

17:39

ugly Jews when they grow up. That

17:41

to the history of anti semitism despite

17:44

George Washington or in the government has

17:46

been pervasive. d. And. And long

17:48

no matter the sector and state

17:50

as we've had great secretaries of

17:53

state who if oppose anti semitism,

17:55

the lower level bureaucracy the State

17:57

Department since the nineteen twenties and

17:59

thirties. Has been viciously anti semitic

18:01

at great cost to use die during

18:04

the Holocaust. Because of the State Department,

18:06

they oppose the establishment of the State

18:08

of Israel. They fought against Israel from

18:11

the beginning of time and that is

18:13

is very very deep. And it's true

18:15

Within the staff of the Senate Laos

18:18

and the staff of the White House

18:20

and Caesar Invisible people who who have

18:22

a big impact on American policy in

18:25

that has to be rooted out. Yeah,

18:27

there's no no doubt about it. Allen's

18:29

you. Ah. Your boss is a must read

18:31

for anyone who wants to understand how he got

18:33

this moment and how we get out of it's

18:35

you have the resolution. We are so grateful for

18:38

your times A Senators to write this book at

18:40

this very moment in history. What a great honor.

18:43

Our I thought so Visitors or Commercial Break or

18:45

we're I back with more right after these messages.

18:59

That everybody over the last few weeks

19:01

the g he led house under his

19:03

is a lifetime. So although this is

19:05

quite a few things and a democrat

19:07

run Usa has refused to take off

19:10

from their declaration, forcing and if I

19:12

was in the Democratic party to ensure

19:14

that there is a new where they

19:16

stood on their support for Israel. Still

19:18

though that they thought the day before

19:20

went away, Southwest flies to pass a

19:23

resolution condemning anti semitism on university campuses

19:25

and the unbelievable testimony as as three

19:27

ideally presidents that much more can still

19:29

be done which is law. We are

19:31

honored to have our next guest and

19:33

assessor. Theory: Topic Illness New Seven Israel

19:35

Republican nominee Last Hawthorne is all leading

19:38

the America First Policy Institute Pathway to

19:40

Twenty Twenty Five initiative. His former congress

19:42

and lives out in Congressman spoken to

19:44

the says thanks for being years are.

19:47

Screwed. To be back. From. i

19:50

just want to talk about the

19:52

dichotomy right now between republicans and

19:54

democrats but as for very long

19:56

time democrats seem to claim a

19:58

monopoly on care about the plight

20:00

of Jewish Americans and fostering that

20:02

strong relationship between the United States

20:05

and Israel. But we've seen kind

20:07

of a flip. We are now

20:09

seeing that within the Democrat Party

20:11

there's about an 11-point divide between

20:13

their support of Palestinians over their

20:15

support for Israel and on the

20:17

Republican side it's completely swapped. What

20:20

do you make of that? Yeah

20:22

that's an amazing dynamic. President Biden

20:24

saw a drop in his polling

20:27

recently and the analysis

20:29

was that he had lost

20:31

support amongst Democrats because

20:34

he was being supportive of Israel

20:36

and the Jewish people in response

20:38

to the October 7th attack which is

20:40

crazy to think that a president of

20:43

the United States doing the right thing

20:45

at any particular

20:47

moment in time of any

20:49

decade any generation when they step

20:52

up and they lead correctly they should

20:54

go up in the polls not down

20:57

but the Democratic Party base has

20:59

a whole lot of voters

21:02

of activists who want

21:04

President Biden to completely turn

21:06

on Israel to take a

21:08

position that Hamas would be

21:11

pushing for to

21:13

be pulling for a ceasefire that would

21:15

allow Hamas to be able to reorganize

21:17

regroup to be able to go back

21:19

on offense fascinating dynamic inside of the

21:22

Democratic Party you have people like

21:24

Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar coming

21:26

to power in the halls of

21:28

Congress you have people who have

21:30

the access and the influence

21:32

with members of Congress like a rhetoric

21:34

like Hamas terrorists again

21:37

these folks didn't vote for me and I ran for

21:39

governor last year and then we all saw it play

21:41

out on the college campuses it was

21:43

in front of the halls of Congress with

21:46

a testimony in front of the Education and

21:48

Workforce Committee you have college presidents who

21:51

are all flustered unable

21:53

to say succinctly obviously

21:57

the calling for genocide of Jews

21:59

is a violation of their code

22:01

of conduct. So there's a reckoning

22:03

coming right now on the left. It's one

22:05

of their own doing. And Americans

22:07

of all walks of life, Jewish

22:09

Americans, right, center, left, they're all

22:11

seeing it for exactly what it

22:14

is. And they're calling on democratic

22:16

leaders to root out this anti-Semitism

22:18

growing within the ranks of their

22:20

party. Yeah. The

22:23

last few weeks we've seen some of

22:25

the strongest condemnations in recent modern history

22:27

from Congress expressing whether it's Rashida Tlaib

22:29

or the university presidents. The next question

22:31

is how do we begin to root

22:33

this out of the institutions where it

22:36

has become deep rooted? The State Department,

22:38

the United Nations college campuses that get

22:40

a lot of federal funding. Is the

22:42

power of the first, the first place

22:44

that Congress can go next year to

22:46

move this along and start to take

22:48

care of the structural imbuing of this

22:50

into our nation's institutions? It

22:53

is one of the most important things to do.

22:55

First off, as you point out to

22:58

these resolutions that have passed, what

23:00

you're seeing is a condemnation

23:02

of anti-Semitism singularly, emphatically,

23:04

and forcefully. What had

23:07

happened after Elon Omar got elected and

23:09

she was saying all these anti-Semitic things,

23:12

Congress under Nancy Pelosi wouldn't

23:15

pass a resolution

23:17

that was just condemning

23:20

anti-Semitism. It had to be

23:22

like an all hate matters resolution that would be

23:24

condemning 124 other things on

23:27

top of anti-Semitism. Our

23:30

federal government, I'll give you another

23:32

one of something that needs to get done, doesn't

23:35

even condemn anti-Semitism, doesn't even

23:37

define anti-Semitism. So

23:39

we have a special envoy to combat anti-Semitism

23:41

in our country. That's good. We

23:44

are calling for action

23:47

as it relates to combating anti-Semitism in

23:49

the halls of government and on college

23:52

campuses and on the streets. Our

23:54

federal government doesn't even define anti-Semitism.

23:57

I have been calling on the IHRA.

24:00

definition of anti-Semitism to

24:02

be adopted. Our federal government should be

24:04

using it across the board. How can

24:06

we stop anti-Semitism if we can't

24:08

even agree on what it actually even is? You bring

24:10

up the power of the purse. Absolutely

24:13

correct. President Trump, when

24:15

he was in office, signed an executive order

24:18

that is ensuring that

24:20

federal tax dollars are not

24:23

going to educational institutions that

24:26

are creating these settings where Jews

24:28

are being harassed. They're being cornered

24:30

inside of halls. They

24:32

are unable to get from their dorm

24:34

to the classroom without being pushed around.

24:38

The BDS movement on the rise.

24:41

Jewish professors quitting jobs that they

24:43

loved because they no longer feel

24:45

welcome. This has been

24:47

something that has been going in the wrong direction for

24:49

a few years, very much exposed

24:51

since October 7th. I

24:54

believe that President Trump's executive order should be

24:56

enacted by Congress. It should become law.

24:59

The power of the purse should be

25:01

used. These federal institutions should lose that

25:04

tax dollars. Yeah. So

25:06

important. And Congressman, yeah, and I

25:08

think that there's another possible, I don't want

25:10

to call it a solution because I don't

25:12

think there's any way to completely cure hate.

25:14

We live in a fallen world and it's

25:17

just something we have to deal with. But

25:19

whether you're talking about the State Department, the

25:21

UN, the Democrat Party, Hollywood, high-Semitism

25:23

exists. And we know that as

25:25

far as Holocaust education, we are at record

25:27

lows right now as far as young

25:30

people in America who are educated on it. Is

25:33

that something that can also help? Because

25:35

ignorance is ultimately what fuels hate. And

25:37

it seems like kids are not getting

25:39

educated on the Holocaust. Yeah. And

25:42

as a matter of fact, what we're seeing inside of educational

25:45

facilities, not just for a great school

25:47

or higher ed, but we see them

25:49

both, is the indoctrination.

25:52

It's brainwashing of students. We

25:54

need more basic civics, some basic history,

25:57

and it doesn't get any more

25:59

basic. basic, then teaching

26:01

about one of the biggest evils, if

26:04

not the greatest darkness

26:06

that's ever come over the

26:08

world, then Hitler

26:10

and Nazi Germany and the Holocaust.

26:13

We should be teaching it everywhere. The

26:15

fact that we have young Americans

26:18

who are denying the Holocaust even existed,

26:20

that really

26:22

reflects extraordinarily poorly on

26:25

the quality of education inside of our schools.

26:28

The indoctrination and the brainwashing that's

26:30

taking place. So I

26:33

think that you're bringing up an important point

26:35

and that we need to scrub to make sure

26:37

that every student who's graduating

26:40

high school and getting a high school degree,

26:42

of course they know that the Holocaust happened.

26:44

They know the basics of it and they're

26:46

not denying it. If you're

26:48

getting a college degree, a college degree,

26:51

of course you should be

26:53

recognizing those basics. Too many Americans

26:56

are denying that this even happened.

26:59

And you see the lesson learned where

27:01

post-October 7th, this

27:04

IDF video that's been playing for

27:07

people in the media, people in

27:09

government, leaders of organizations,

27:11

and it's a video that

27:14

really more around the world need to see.

27:17

Israel knows that if they don't show this

27:19

video, the rhetoric of the

27:22

opposition, they'll be trying to convince

27:24

the world that October 7th never

27:26

even happened. I've been

27:28

to Kefirah, I've been to the Kebbutz

27:30

that had babies beheaded. There

27:33

are rapes of women and Americans

27:35

and Israelis who are taken hostage

27:37

and some of the most horrific

27:39

crimes imaginable happened on October 7th

27:41

and instantly you have people who

27:44

were pushing the position

27:46

that it did not even happen.

27:49

So yeah, basic education is needed, especially

27:51

when we have the pictures, the videos,

27:53

the testimonials, the documentation, and more to

27:55

prove that it did. More

28:00

balls you one the Palestinian

28:02

Affairs officer, state Department, the

28:04

other human rights arm of

28:06

the you and both of

28:08

over overly anti Israel out

28:10

in America use his opposition

28:12

and most of those to

28:14

force change in those institutions.

28:18

Or will we saw it When the President

28:20

Trump was in office we were responding these

28:22

different branches of the United Nations. This

28:25

is Us tax dollars. It's a

28:27

lot of. So be

28:29

able to achieve the outcomes there

28:32

were looking for. When we expose

28:34

that there are textbooks, Funded

28:36

by the United Nations. Going.

28:38

To unwra. And then

28:40

next generation of Palestinian kids are

28:42

being taunted. Go. With a map

28:44

of the Middle East and and you know you have

28:46

Israel. The been taught to hate

28:49

Jews. Us. Tax dollars

28:51

summer going towards any type

28:53

of a program. That

28:56

will try to industry that next generation.

28:58

Sir. Eventually recruit them and become

29:00

terrorists to carry out in October.

29:03

Seventh. We have

29:05

the leverage. those tax dollars. As

29:07

far as the State Department goes, when

29:10

we get a new administration their January

29:12

twenty twenty five as put the right

29:14

people in office and fiction when people

29:16

are leading gets his culture right and

29:19

get this cleaned up from Chancellor. And

29:21

fine if we learn anything from on terrorism and

29:23

assess all of this is right there beneath the

29:25

surface and we just gotta pay attention to something

29:27

about at stake is a lifestyle as only I

29:29

say even here we're going to have to have

29:32

you back on again after the holiday sales and

29:34

seventy or see it as. Any

29:37

other hand and is a. Watermark:

29:48

America and as we've been talking about

29:50

anti semitism prevalent in so many of

29:52

our institutions across this great country and

29:54

across the globe, from the United Nations

29:56

to college campuses are place you might

29:58

not be thinking about. Medical Schools

30:01

a place where discriminatory practices are men

30:03

extraordinarily as a pervasive in the last

30:05

three years do No Harm was wants

30:07

to eliminate discriminatory practices in the industry

30:09

and with in medical schools and joining

30:11

us right now is the Chairman of

30:14

Do Not Do No Harm Doctor Stanley

30:16

Goldfarb Stuff degree to have you ever

30:18

show Serbs. Or thank you

30:20

three to be with you. Are you

30:22

know, a few years ago have you

30:24

told me that medical schools would be

30:26

a place where there was discrimination or

30:28

intolerance? I see now that's impossible. The

30:30

whole premise of medical profession is, you

30:32

know our butts in fast. There is

30:34

a real problem, isn't there? Since

30:37

there isn't, I think the proof

30:39

of their know he's probably mentioned

30:41

previously is a bunch of physicians

30:43

were identified as ones who pulled

30:45

down the teachers of the hostages.

30:47

Them. And in

30:49

Gaza the Israeli hostages and

30:51

it out and in favor

30:54

of fun the metro Caesar.

30:56

Ice. Formed. By Hamas against

30:58

Israel. He said that was just

31:00

a glimpse of it and then

31:02

and we know that identity politics

31:04

are deeply embedded in in medical

31:06

schools in medical education and then

31:09

as you pointed out is really

31:11

the source of this Anti semitism

31:13

is treating people and members of

31:15

her group as opposed to individuals

31:17

and that can only lead to

31:19

divisiveness and in is really part

31:21

of the problems and American society

31:23

is facing. Now the symptoms is

31:25

strong. friend of. Identity

31:28

Politics since taking over

31:30

higher education including medical

31:32

education remarkable. Goldfarb.

31:35

Yeah, they're different industries where I think that

31:37

this has been percolating for a long time.

31:39

But as you highlighted I think that that

31:41

else have a letter. The medical industry. They

31:43

look at medical professionals and I think that

31:45

they are infallible when in fact we're all

31:48

here. We are all susceptible to these types

31:50

of biases. How how far back as this

31:52

sense then take more? It. Well

31:55

he knows. I mean I think we've seen

31:57

an explosion of on this in the last.

32:00

Connor or twelve years or so. Of

32:02

course this goes back on a long

32:04

time and you know physicians haven't been

32:07

immune from getting involved and political issues

32:09

with Down's mean the need to just

32:11

look back to that. The World War

32:13

Two when the Nazi doctors were are

32:16

part of the regime and part of

32:18

the ones who implemented some of the

32:20

harmful practices that were present then and

32:23

of We know now that I'm. You

32:26

know as I said physicians have

32:28

been very outspoken many of them

32:31

about does this the the current

32:33

situation and has advocated for would

32:35

really was a to the Sarwan

32:37

terrorist attack that Hamas have reduced.

32:40

You know it's some so I

32:42

think said that it's it's really

32:44

derives from this identity politics issue

32:46

which became indebted and medical education

32:49

back at the turn of those

32:51

and twenty first century one. Physicians

32:54

decided that they needed. To be

32:56

more diversity in health care or diversity

32:58

is fine but not at the expense

33:00

of identity politics, not at the expense

33:03

of treating people differently because of their

33:05

skin color, the race and and again

33:07

it naturally slows that Once you with

33:09

a adopt these elements of critical race

33:11

theory which are that you know there's

33:13

an oppressor and the have been oppressed

33:15

and that the oppressed can do no

33:17

harm and not nothing wrong in the

33:19

oppressors can do nothing right and that's

33:21

unfortunately we're we're living with right now

33:23

may I assist? Remarkable for sort of

33:25

that. It's. Our those enormous downstream consequence

33:27

for it's operations because they've all over

33:29

time they'll begin to distrust of medical

33:32

providers. You've got a lot of the

33:34

Us. Why the great things about doorknobs.

33:36

A lot of things about the solutions

33:38

about what needs to be done to

33:40

begin the changed the mentality that training

33:42

mechanisms in his medical schools give us

33:44

some of your best solutions it and

33:46

start to turn this ship right now.

33:49

Well. You know, we just heard

33:51

from the Governor of Oklahoma who

33:53

decided that the state of Oklahoma

33:56

when have no more diversity a

33:58

queen inclusion activities in. The

34:00

Higher Education which includes the Medical School

34:02

in Oklahoma Very Fine Medical School. And

34:05

I think that's when needs to happen.

34:07

I think it's not a question of

34:09

saying we have to extend diversity issues

34:11

that to Jews so that Thera under

34:14

this umbrellas well as we need to

34:16

eliminate this we need to get rid

34:18

of diversity, equity and inclusion regimes that

34:20

would start by getting rid of the

34:22

bureaucracies you know to have one of

34:24

our are members of of do no

34:26

Harm by Mark Terry who's have a

34:29

very well known as person who's been

34:31

signing against discrimination cause them a diverse

34:33

a Krantz instead of bureaucrats. Get

34:36

Rid Of These Offices. We need To Get Rid

34:38

of This activity. We need to start treating people

34:40

as individuals. We need to stop treating them as

34:42

members of a group. And we need

34:44

to get rid of the elements of. Critical.

34:47

Race Theory, The idea that oppressed and

34:49

oppressor is the nature of this interaction,

34:51

and medical schools need to lead the

34:53

wakes up. It's been estimated that in

34:55

Michigan they spent Olmert at the University

34:57

of Michigan. They spend over eighty five

35:00

million dollars in the last four years

35:02

on their diversity bureaucracies. I think I

35:04

think that is what really needs to

35:06

happen here. It's not about firing university

35:08

presidents, and it's not about extending diversity

35:10

to other groups. It's getting rid of

35:13

this regime which is really destructive to

35:15

American lines. Yeah, side bars and.

35:18

So it comes down to the nuts

35:21

and bolts as the why it is

35:23

so and part of that health practices

35:25

that doctors, nurses and don't see race

35:27

and religion and all of these immutable

35:29

characteristics when it comes down to it's

35:32

I know that detrimentally as Sacks of

35:34

Us Health, Air Or and Health and

35:36

General I don't else that could extend

35:38

even as far as like misdiagnoses that

35:40

certainly subpar care. What are some of

35:43

the repercussions. Of. A doctor who

35:45

say someone and sees the color of their

35:47

skin or the community that they're a part

35:49

as. And. That Trump's any type of

35:51

health issue. Yeah I

35:53

think you know is is John mentioned before

35:55

Trust This is a huge part of this

35:58

so than when you have a physician. For example,

36:00

there were a couple of pens, my

36:02

old school, that were seen

36:04

pulling down these posters. And you're a

36:06

Jewish patient, for example. You have to

36:09

worry, is he gonna

36:11

make the right diagnosis? Is he gonna change

36:13

the assessment of me simply because it's a chance

36:16

for him to act out his

36:18

declared biases? One of the arguments that

36:20

Juno Harm has made is that physicians

36:22

are not basically racist and dealing with

36:25

patients differently based on their skin color

36:27

as a group. But then, when we

36:29

have these people that have announced that

36:31

they're going to treat people differently based

36:34

on their skin color, or

36:36

based on their ethnicity or their religion,

36:38

we have to take them seriously. We

36:40

have to believe what they're telling us.

36:42

So I think it is harmful because

36:44

it destroys trust. And then, of

36:47

course, it is harmful if we start treating

36:49

people differently. We're gonna have a healthcare system

36:51

that will mimic what went on in South

36:53

Africa. We're gonna have an apartheid healthcare system

36:55

where some people are gonna be treated differently

36:57

because of their skin color. This is un-American,

36:59

this is awful. One of our great concerns

37:02

is that there's a great push for the

37:04

so-called racial concordance where black patients have black

37:06

doctors. Well, just imagine a situation in

37:08

which black patients come in the hospital to

37:11

man black doctors, white patients come in the

37:13

hospital to man white doctors. This

37:15

is not America. This is not what we want our

37:17

country to be like. We want people to come in and

37:19

get the best care possible. And in

37:21

order to achieve that, we need to get rid

37:24

of this racialization of healthcare. Yeah, so

37:26

important. Sir, earlier this year, your group had a

37:28

report taking a look at some of the things

37:30

going on in medical schools. Can you give us

37:32

some of the top lines? I think people will

37:34

be shocked what you found. Well,

37:37

what was interesting is that the

37:40

double AMC, which is the regulatory

37:42

body for medical schools, the Association

37:44

of American Medical Colleges, one of

37:46

the groups that supervises accreditation, put

37:49

out this request for schools to

37:51

determine how woke they were, really,

37:53

how much they adhered to the

37:55

diversity, equity, inclusion activity. And they

37:57

aim for 100%. found

38:00

out was most medical schools were about 80% down

38:04

this path towards having bureaucracies

38:07

for DEI demanding diversity statements

38:09

on the part of faculty

38:11

that seek promotion or were

38:14

hiring in the school, that

38:16

they ask medical students typically how are

38:18

they going to implement diversity protocols in

38:20

their practices, in their lives, what have

38:23

they done to support all that as

38:25

opposed to why do they want to

38:27

be doctors, how are they going to

38:30

help people through getting through

38:32

their illness, that's what doctors are

38:34

really trained for and how many schools

38:36

had advocacy programs for their medical students

38:38

so that they would learn to be

38:41

advocates for things like climate change, agendas

38:43

and so on and other such political

38:45

activities and what we found

38:48

through our use of the Freedom

38:50

of Information Act by individual schools that some

38:52

schools were incredibly far down the road, some

38:54

were at 80-90% kind of

38:59

adhering to these activities

39:01

and even now the Association of American

39:03

Medical Colleges is looking for ways to

39:05

get around the Supreme Court ruling against

39:07

affirmative action. We think that the best

39:10

and the brightest should have their chance

39:12

to be doctors, whatever their skin color,

39:14

whatever their racial background, whatever their ethnicity

39:16

and it shouldn't be based on trying

39:18

to create some sort of quota system

39:20

where there are only X percentage of

39:22

this kind of individual and X percentage

39:24

of that kind of individual. It's

39:27

absolutely insane. Sarah, you have done

39:29

such extraordinary work giving us data,

39:31

solutions and highlighting the connection between CRT and

39:34

end of these evidences and we're so grateful

39:36

for that doctor. We'll be right back folks,

39:38

right after these messages. Welcome

39:49

back America. We're going to stay on

39:51

this topic of anti-Semitism and intolerance on

39:53

college campuses. Our next guest was sounding

39:56

the siren long before most of us

39:58

awaken to all of this extraordinary hate,

40:00

intolerance, and censorship and anti-Semitism was growing

40:02

on our campuses. Nick Giordano is a

40:04

political science professor and a higher education

40:07

fellow with campus reform and he has

40:09

been one of the most important

40:11

voices in describing to America what's been going on

40:13

on our college campuses. He joins us right now.

40:15

Nick, great to have you back on the show.

40:19

Thank you for having me. You were

40:21

warning of this moment a long time before

40:23

a lot of us awakened to it. I

40:25

think most parents now, particularly since October 7th,

40:27

are like, my God, what was going on

40:29

at Harvard and UPenn, but you saw this

40:32

coming for a long time. Is

40:34

there a moment now of reflection on

40:36

these campuses? Do you think some of

40:39

the academia, some of the academic leadership,

40:41

realize that they have overplayed their hands?

40:45

I don't think they've come to that realization

40:47

yet, but they soon will because they do

40:49

believe the reckoning has happened in higher

40:51

education and it's only going to get worse for

40:53

them. When we look at

40:55

college administrators, I mean, obviously, ideology is

40:58

heavily pushed throughout the college campuses and

41:00

the truth is that while

41:02

I do believe some of the administrators should

41:04

step down or be removed, it's

41:07

not really going to change the toxic

41:09

environment they've created because there's a long

41:11

line of administrators waiting in the wings

41:14

that have been corrupted by this group

41:16

think mentality that has been prevalent on

41:18

college campuses. I'm on the front lines

41:21

watching as my profession is

41:23

destroying itself. If

41:26

you just look at the

41:28

rabid anti-Americanism, the anti-Semitism that's

41:30

going on calls for genocide,

41:32

these are the same universities

41:34

that have created free speed

41:36

zones on college campuses, put

41:38

trigger warnings on the American

41:40

flag. If

41:42

you misgender someone, you could be the

41:44

administrative crosshairs and face disciplinary

41:47

hearings. It really is stunning,

41:49

but people are waking up to what's going

41:51

on. Unfortunately

41:53

for these colleges, they

41:55

did it to themselves. They need to realize

41:58

that. An academic institution should be about. And

44:00

they should have been upset a long time

44:02

ago, right? It shouldn't have resorted to the

44:04

Hamas terror attacks and the anti-Semitism we're seeing.

44:06

It should have been the anti-Americanism that we've

44:08

been witnessing over the course of two decades.

44:11

Yeah, yeah, there's no doubt about it. They're slow

44:13

to the table, but they are at the table

44:15

right now, which is interesting. Now

44:17

let me ask you about it. It's better late

44:19

than never. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Let me ask you

44:21

about another funding stream. The federal government is probably

44:23

one of the largest dispatchers

44:26

of money to universities. A lot of the research

44:29

grants are now in the billions of dollars per

44:31

year. Can Congress have

44:33

an impact by tying future federal funds

44:35

to the ability to keep free speech

44:37

free, to fight anti-Semitism, put requirements on

44:40

some of this money so that's not

44:42

just a free giveaway every budget cycle?

44:45

Absolutely. Congress plays a tremendous

44:47

role. They control the pair of strings. And I've

44:50

been arguing for a long time that any

44:53

university that violates our fundamental

44:55

rights, the freedom of speech,

44:57

the freedom to protest, and

44:59

any university that engages with the federal

45:02

government to build out a censorship apparatus

45:04

should see their funding cut and Congress

45:06

should be proactive in this. Our

45:08

own tax dollars shouldn't be used to

45:11

silence Americans, and our own tax dollars

45:13

shouldn't be used to promote hatred towards

45:15

America. And that's exactly what

45:17

the DEI industrial complex has done. They've

45:20

created an entire system that's built on

45:22

this idea of victimhood, where we're going

45:24

to label people presses versus oppressed. We're

45:27

going to put everyone into these tribes and

45:29

let the tribes pit against each other and

45:32

battle it out. A tribal society fails. We

45:34

see that around the world. And I think

45:36

Congress needs to take a long look at

45:38

the funding screen that they provide to both

45:41

private universities and public universities, because it's about

45:43

time that the funds get cut. You

45:46

know, Eisenhower warned that the higher

45:48

education system is going to be corrupted

45:51

through the federal funding mechanism. And

45:54

so now maybe it's time we think

45:56

about weaning these colleges and universities off

45:58

the tax dollars. when they're

46:00

promoting the nonsense that we're seeing today. Yeah,

46:03

it's such a common sense idea, and yet

46:05

it has been kicked down the line so

46:07

often. Yeah, I mean, it is remarkable that

46:09

it hasn't been a string that was pulled

46:12

out sooner than this moment now. I

46:14

wanna turn to one other idea. It's obvious that

46:17

the tenure that faculty sometimes

46:19

enjoy have given them certain protections that

46:21

they feel comfortable using their classes, not

46:23

to teach anymore, but to indoctrinate. Is

46:26

there room to create a surveillance system? Again,

46:29

we don't wanna be truly

46:32

policing speech, but is

46:34

there room for a surveillance system where

46:36

real egregious violations of classroom indoctrination can

46:39

get reported and then there'd be a

46:41

disciplinary process? Is that something that's missing

46:43

from either the nonprofit or the professional

46:45

realm of education right now? Well,

46:48

what we're witnessing, professors have the

46:50

idea of academic freedom. We get

46:53

to delve into controversial topics we're

46:55

protected through academic freedom. However, we

46:57

see academic freedom being applied differently

46:59

depending on the professor and what

47:01

they say. So for instance, at

47:04

campus forum, we reported on how

47:06

a USC professor was suspended

47:08

for calling Hamas a terrorist organization

47:10

saying that they're murderers and that

47:12

they should be killed. Well, they

47:14

were suspended, but other professors calling

47:16

for a genocide have

47:18

escaped without any type of academic

47:21

disciplinary against them. So

47:23

we see the double standard that's applied

47:25

depending on what you're

47:27

saying and what side of the political

47:29

spectrum you may fall on. So there

47:32

is room. I mean, when professors are

47:34

overtly calling for a genocide against a

47:36

group of people, well, they really shouldn't

47:38

be in the classroom indoctrinating student bodies.

47:40

And we see it's not, the

47:43

education system's broken completely from kindergarten through

47:45

college. And we see the ability to

47:47

think critically doesn't exist. A recent poll just came

47:49

out where 51% of those 18 to 24 said

47:53

that Israel shouldn't exist. Yet in

47:55

the same polls, 69% said

47:58

that Israel had a right exist. So you see

48:01

that the students aren't even thinking about what

48:03

they're saying. And it's a real problem. Yep.

48:05

That's the loss of great training. We stopped

48:07

educating our students. Nick, you're always on the

48:09

front lines and it's we are so grateful.

48:11

Thank you for your time today my friend.

48:13

Alright folks, we're going to take a quick

48:15

commercial break. We'll be right back. I'm going

48:17

to be rejoining me after these commercial messages.

48:31

Welcome back everybody. What incredible and

48:33

important conversations that we've got to

48:36

be having, John. And I know

48:38

that for my generation at least,

48:40

I don't know if this was the

48:42

same thing for you, but my generation

48:44

had a very, very clear view of

48:47

the reality of the Holocaust. And you

48:49

look at the numbers these days regarding

48:51

young Americans and their view of the

48:53

Holocaust and the fact that I

48:55

think about a quarter of them think

48:57

that it was just a complete hoax.

48:59

Half of young Americans roughly think that

49:01

the number of six million

49:03

Jews killed during the Holocaust

49:06

is substantially fabricated. And I

49:08

just think to myself, you know, I don't know if

49:10

this is cyclical. What was it like for your generation?

49:13

I feel like your generation was taught the same things

49:15

that mine was and things have just gone significantly downhill

49:17

since then. Listen, I think all of

49:19

our guests today pinpointed the right time. Right

49:21

around the turn of the 21st century is

49:23

when these constructs began to get into academia.

49:26

First in the college campuses and they back

49:28

themselves into K through 12 so that they're

49:30

creating an incubator. What are those constructs? It's

49:32

critical race theory. It's diversity, equity,

49:34

inclusion. And what they treated is that either

49:36

because of your faith or your skin color,

49:38

you're either an oppressor or an oppressed and

49:40

there is no other way around it. And

49:42

from that flows all of these hateful

49:45

and intolerant ideas like anti-Semitism,

49:48

which we take on. This is a tough conversation to have in

49:50

the middle of a holiday season, right? But

49:53

I feel like we needed to have it now. We

49:55

need to understand how we got here and how we

49:57

get out of here because we'll be singing as we

49:59

do in the I would say,

50:01

peace on earth. We can't have

50:03

peace on earth when you have

50:05

hate and division and

50:08

intolerance embedded in our institutions like they are from

50:10

the State Department and the United Nations all the

50:12

way down to K through 12. That's

50:14

why what Oklahoma did in the last couple

50:17

of weeks with the ban on DEI in

50:19

all schools and universities, that's a starting point,

50:21

I think, Amanda. Yeah.

50:24

And Oklahoma is looking real good right about

50:26

now for people living in blue states. And

50:28

speaking of that, I just wanted to tell

50:30

an anecdotal story. A friend of mine who

50:32

I knew in college works

50:34

at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York.

50:36

He and his wife and their son

50:38

live in Brooklyn and they, of course,

50:40

are surrounded by liberals. And he's not

50:42

Jewish, he's actually Hindu. And

50:44

he and his wife and their son

50:47

are courting some hospital systems now in

50:49

the South, in Atlanta, in Nashville, and

50:51

places all over the South wanting to

50:53

go there because even as a Hindu, even

50:56

as someone who doesn't really have a communal

50:58

or vested interest in Judaism or what's happening

51:00

to Jews right now, he is seeing what

51:02

is happening around him in hospitals in New

51:04

York and thinking, I got to get out

51:07

of here. And it concerns me because considering

51:09

what Alan Dershowitz was saying also about the

51:11

law profession, it makes me wonder if there's

51:13

going to be this bifurcation in each of

51:15

these industries where people move to opposite corners.

51:18

Yeah. Well, listen, that's what's happening in politics. So

51:21

why not in every other industry now? That's the

51:23

part of the, that's what DEI and ZRT are

51:25

designed to do, create divisions so that America falls

51:27

from within. I was really

51:29

struck by Dr. Gohlfarve in reminding that this

51:31

has so many consequences that we don't think

51:33

of right away. In the very

51:36

near future, we may have patients who

51:38

don't trust their doctors because of the

51:40

way this philosophy has

51:42

gotten into medical schools and therefore into

51:44

the healthcare profession. What more

51:46

extraordinary threat to the American society

51:48

than to think that we might not trust

51:50

our doctor because they might see us either

51:52

as a victim or as a perpetrator. It's

51:55

remarkable. And I just think that we're in

51:58

a very dangerous moment, Amanda, really are. Well,

52:01

and just like you were saying about the

52:03

bifurcation, it's happening in politics. The trust in

52:05

institutions is decaying in politics as well, so

52:07

why not in medicine? Why not in law?

52:09

Why not in every sector of society? And

52:11

it's because we are being so divided, it's

52:14

devastating to see. But we appreciate all of

52:16

you for joining us on this very important

52:18

conversation and we're going to continue on with

52:20

it later. We look forward to joining

52:22

you again in coverage in the new year, but for right

52:24

now, we're signing off. Until next time, have a great night.