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What's up everyone, welcome

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to the 599th episode

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of the Pokemon Podcast.

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It's super effective, I'm your host Steve,

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with me is Hannah. I

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am here. It's

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a low news week, I don't know, I'm here. Hi.

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Hello. You

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know, it is light news week, but I

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think we have a good show lined up

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so good that Greg is also here. I

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am also here. Next week

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the epilogue comes out and that

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lines up with our 600 episode, although we're not

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going to be talking about the epilogue because that

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only gives people like three days to do it,

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so we'll do it the

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next episode. I'm pretty

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sure the Pokemon company says you have to

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beat like everything in order

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to experience that. But

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what I define is everything. They do have a

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concrete, well, yeah. I

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think you actually have it there. Off the

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top of my head, I think it's a way out, which is

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area zero first storyline in Pal dea,

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which gets you credits. The teal mask

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story is called remember where it says

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to be continued. That's how you know you beat it.

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And in this one, it would be Ed Sheeran's

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song part two. Yeah,

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if you meet Ed Sheeran twice and then I think

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there's one other battle that you have to do or

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one other thing you have to experience. And

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that's all Ed Sheeran part two, which

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apparently the second Ed Sheeran song is

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like remixed by Toby Fox, I think

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I didn't listen to it because I couldn't on stream. I'd have

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made it. So I don't know what it sounds like. I

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didn't want Mr. Ed Sheeran to- Have I gotten

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both Ed Sheeran songs? I don't... No.

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If you went to the- I may not have been

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paying attention. If you went back to Kidacami after credits,

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then you did. I think

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that you get the second Ed Sheeran

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song even before that. Yeah. You

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get it before you go back to the lake. Yeah.

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Yeah. I do not

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remember it. I feel like you

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could remember Ed Sheeran. I do

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not. I have successfully

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blocked that out. Like,

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I'm sure something happened.

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If you- I could not tell you that it

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was that Ed Sheeran song. I

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couldn't tell you what it was. It was a

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remix. It was a remix. It wasn't super identifiable

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as the same song. I

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don't even remember what the song is, because I muted

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it both times. With

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all Ed Sheeran songs, I

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know them while I'm listening to them,

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and then three seconds after,

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I could not tell you a thing

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about it. I don't- I

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know that- I know the other one I

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remember is Electric by Katy Perry, because we talked about

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it a lot, and he just said Electric a lot.

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I shouldn't write that. I couldn't tell you what

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the Ed Sheeran song is. I couldn't tell you

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what any Ed Sheeran and Post Malone- I could

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not tell you what any of their songs sound

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like. Could not. I like Post Malone

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more than I like Ed Sheeran. But Ed

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Sheeran's the low bar. I don't think Ed

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Sheeran's bad. I'm not getting that high bar. For the

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record, I don't think Ed Sheeran's bad. Just not

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my cup of tea. Speaking

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of tea, let's talk about

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Pokemon Sleep. There's not any news

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here. I

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will say my personal thought

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here is this 2024 event a

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bit disappointing. Compared to the other

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ones, yeah, a little

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bit. I was disappointed that there weren't

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any special missions for the event in

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particular. I like having the extra things to

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aim for on top of the weekly- at

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a beach so I was also on the beach in

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Pokemon sleep and maybe

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saw one Squirtle but mostly

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I was just too tired at the end of the day

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to press the button apparently. Yeah,

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that pre-membership video. Hey,

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that's one thing of you,

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Hannah. One thing. Wait, yeah,

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because you guys can't go back and

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re-record sleep, right? I will say it's

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not a great premium feature because

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you can only do it within like 24 hours

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of it happening.

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That's still enough. Yeah, but

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if you're at like hour like

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26, it's just

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like no, like you've waited too

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long and if you like took

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a nap like the day before

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but forgot to record the nap

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but you recorded like a sleep,

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you can't squeeze it in

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between. It's like you've

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already slept, you can't go back and

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put time. It's not like

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it's very, very restrictive in what you do

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which is whatever. I think it already lies

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as it is. No,

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I started cheating this week. I

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started pre-gaming my Pokemon

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sleep so I pre-game

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it on the dresser

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for like an

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hour because I'm in like bed and TikTok

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for an hour. I've been

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in bed and TikTok and as long

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as I'm sitting still, I could care

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less. Yeah, but I need it to

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specifically be slumbering. I

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can't because dozing on Topalo

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is worse than three shepherds

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and two lavatars. Dozing on

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Topalo is like Geodude

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City. You

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can't get onyx on dozing and I kept getting

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dozing all week or snoozing or whatever it is.

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I was like I need slumbering. I still have

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not gotten an onyx and I'm cheating because all

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I want is an onyx. I

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think I have an onyx. Yeah, because

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you're for sure slumbering Greg because you slam

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and eat. the

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you i'm turning you in snitchin

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Greg, come on. Look,

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if there's a million dollar sleep prize on the

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line, I am selling you out. DQ'd.

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Let's uh, let's switch gears

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over to some TCG stuff. There

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are two top ten lists for

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TCG, which I think are fun

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to sell. This

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is our TCG wrapped, our

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year in review here. We

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got one from TCG Player, which is the

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top ten most expensive pokemon cards of 2023.

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And then the Japanese pokemon website

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released the top 100 most

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searched for cards. I'm

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not sure how they determined that. Or

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if that was like Google search or whatnot. We can go through

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the top ten though. Spoiler, those

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two lists are different. Let's

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start with the TCG Player stuff. Top

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ten most expensive cards. If you don't know

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what TCG, I think TCG Player is now

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fully owned by eBay. Did that sale go

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through? Oh,

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I don't know if they did. I

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think it did. But I think

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eBay now owns TCG Player. Anyway, TCG

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Player, I like their website. I

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think their site is good. Yeah, they completed

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295 million dollar purchase. Good

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heavens. I would have sold two honestly. So

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let's move on. The number ten most expensive card

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of 2023 was Magic

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Harp from Paldea Evolved. That

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was the number 203 for $56.84.

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That is the Magic Harp with the black

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background of it swimming up the waterfall. No

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surprises there with Magic

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Harp. This one is probably

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the biggest surprise on the list. I don't

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remember this card ever coming out. This

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is the Squirtle Pokemon

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Center exclusive from Scarlet and

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Violet 151. It

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is $61.94. It's

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just a Squirtle. With

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the little Pokemon Center stamp on it. It's not

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like a full art, it's not an alternative

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art, it's just a little

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squirtle. But have you got that Pokemon Center stamp? Sure

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does. That's what's

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important. I don't remember, where

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did, like obviously this was a promotion

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for 151, right?

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That's what it's from, but like

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I don't remember, I feel

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like I'm checking Pokemon Center so much

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I'm getting banned from that website at

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least a couple hours a week. Yeah,

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I'm a Pokemon Center connoisseur. I don't

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remember this promo at all being

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featured and they

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don't specifically say like, my

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only guess is this was like the European

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Pokemon Center or the Canadian Pokemon Center? I'm

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seeing it on the American one. I'm

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actually seeing it on the website saying that you

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could receive it as a gift with each eligible

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item if you place

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an order that contains two Scarlet and Violet

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151 ultra premium collection.

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You will receive two squirtle cards as a gift.

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So something something to do

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with that but I don't remember ever seeing

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the promotion when it's actually live. I don't

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remember ever seeing that. Usually they're advertising

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on the front page normally of like,

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get this card. Don't worry, there's a card

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on here that makes Pokemon Center all worth it.

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You won't believe what number one is. I

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don't know if that's a true statement. The number

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eight is Garatina

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Vstar from Crown Zenith. This

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is the the gallery card.

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This is the secret rare

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all gold Garatina. Cool,

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I guess. If you like Garatina,

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people do. It's not

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my favorite of the Garatina cards but it

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is a cool one. Yeah, we have number

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seven coming in as Roaring Moon from Paradox Rift

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which is, uh, Garatina was $71. Roaring Moon is

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$81. This is the the ancient Roaring Moon with

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the the scream tales below it. Very cool

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card. Roaring Moon, very cool

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Pokemon. So that's cool.

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This was the most expensive card in

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Japan for a couple weeks. It was

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going for $1,000, the Japanese version of

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it. Not going for

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$1,000 anymore from my understanding, but

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the American version of Aiono from

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Paldea Evolved, the full

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art version of her is going for $86.31. I

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think she single-handedly sold a

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lot of Paldea Evolved because people thought that

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the American version would also go for $1,000.

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As of today, it is $86. Now,

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coming in at number five, not

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a surprise here either, is an

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Umbreon card. This is the EB

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Games exclusive, which must

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be Canada or Australia because

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we don't have EB Games

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in America anymore. But

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it's the Umbreon EB Games exclusive

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from Obsidian Flames going for $90.

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If you know nothing about TCG cards, let me tell

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you two things. Number one, Charizard is

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always worth the most. Number

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two, for whatever reason,

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Umbreon cards always

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very sought after. I

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don't know who... For whatever

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reason. It's a very popular Pokémon

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right up there with Charizard. Yeah,

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but it's never Espeon. No,

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it's never Espeon. Umbreon is cooler. I'm

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sorry. It's never

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Espeon. It's never Flareon, Jolteon.

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Not even Sylveon gets the treatment

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Umbreon gets. Sometimes

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it does, but this particular Umbreon card

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does have that EB Games stamp. So,

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similar to the Pokémon Center stamp on

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the Squirtle, that makes it particularly sought

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after. You won't believe

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the next three coming up here, starting

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with the number four. We

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have Charizard from the

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Charizard Pokémon TCG Classic.

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So you could spend $400 for the

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TCG Classic. Remember

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that came out. Actually, I think right now it's

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about $300 at Best Buy. You

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could spend $300 at Best

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Buy, I guess, to get the TCG Classic, and

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then your Charizard from that will be worth $109.

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Although I still don't think that's

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a good investment. Like, nah.

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Like, maybe? I don't know. I feel

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like if you're buying the TCG Classic, I feel

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like you're buying it because you're a collector, not

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a reseller. I mean, no, don't get me wrong.

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Charizards bought it with the intent to make money,

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but I don't think that's... I don't know if that

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worked out for them since it's pretty

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easy to find a discount and now. Do

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we know how many times we've gotten this

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Nostalgia Charizard card? Oh,

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gosh. Because it's the

16:44

same Charizard card. At

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least every other year at this point.

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Yeah. Charizard comes

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around a lot. Yeah. Sorry

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I did not describe it, but Hannah did. It is

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the Charizard that you expect it to be. It's

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the one from 28 years ago. Again,

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you probably haven't filled a whole

17:04

binder of different eras of

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this specific card. I

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think they do that in Yu-Gi-Oh! I think Blue

17:10

Eyes, White Dragon is constantly reprinted. It's

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the same art. Number three is

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the Charizard from 151. It

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is like the Paper Mache Charizard flying

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over the volcano. It's like

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Paper Mache if you look at it. I

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don't know. Poster boat born?

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It looks like it's a little paper that they

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stacked on other paper. Does

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it? Yeah. It's

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very stylistic, I can say that.

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I thought my impression of this card

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was they were going for a paper-ish,

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like a handcrafted Charizard,

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some would say. I'm

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trying to get a picture and a form

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thought. I'm trying to get a picture of

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how you got Paper Mache from this picture.

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It's like I'm looking at it on a different

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website big and it's just a drawing. It's

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like soft. It's like

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there's no like lines around it. None

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of that is what Paper Mache is. He

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said it's still art. I

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don't understand what you're saying. Well he's going

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for $115, okay? Number

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three. I'm

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still staring at this thing. I'm like what

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in the world are you talking about

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paper? Do you know what Paper Mache

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is? That's the

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longer this goes on. I don't think so. Number

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two most expensive card of 2023

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is another Charizard. We're

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three for three for Charizard series. This

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is the Radiant Charizard. Radiant means shiny.

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The Radiant Charizard from

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the prize pack series

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three which means it has

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a little play Pokemon stamp on it which

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was given out at some play Pokemon tournament.

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I don't know which one. Prize

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pack series three

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would make it seem that you probably had to

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come in like top eight or top 16 at

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a tournament to receive this card because

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it's a prize for winning. Normally

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that's usually what it is. It could

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be a card that they gave to all competitors

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at some point for just participating. Although I don't

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think we've had a tournament big enough this year

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for that to happen. But

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I haven't been following that very closely. So

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it's $130 though for the Charizard lovers out there.

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And finally our number one most expensive

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card of 2023 is Pikachu with the

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gray felt hat

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Scarlet and Violet promo number 85. There

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he is. The bay we

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did it. The bay of everyone. It

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was all worth destroying a museum for.

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It was worth breaking. Pokemon

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Center multiple times for

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a real remembrance of 2023 in

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a nutshell. Now

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you might ask these prices, you might ask

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what did the most expensive card of 2023

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come down to? Mr.

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Grey felt hat Pikachu is worth

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a whopping $146. That's

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it. Yeah, these prices. These prices, these prices,

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oh these are cute prices. There's a person

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who has to buy magic cards. I'm like,

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aw, $150, that's nice. It's

20:39

not shocking to me at all with these

20:41

prices. I think some people listening might be

20:43

shocked to what Greg just

20:45

said. These prices are very

20:47

cute. I

20:51

got back into the TCG, which

20:54

was early Sun

20:56

and Moon, because I played for Black and White

20:58

and I played almost all of Black and White,

21:00

dropped out at the end of Black to White

21:02

2 TCG era and then I skipped all of

21:04

X and Y. Then I got back in with

21:07

Sun and Moon. Almost

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every single deck, competitive deck at the

21:12

time, needed at least two Tapu Lele.

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A lot of decks needed three Tapu Lele. Tapu

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Lele itself was an $80 card. No

21:23

matter how you spun it,

21:26

you needed two to three and it was $80 each.

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Then eventually they put Tapu Lele in tins like a

21:32

year or two later and then you could easily walk

21:34

into a target, get a tin for $15. Tapu

21:37

Lele was featured on the tin. That

21:41

is a very common thing that

21:43

happens in the TCG. Sun

21:46

will determine a card is really

21:48

good and it's expensive and it's preventing

21:50

people from getting in and then they'll tin

21:52

it and make

21:54

it cheaper. It's a more

21:56

accessible game. If you're a

21:58

collector, you're probably like, ah. but like hey,

22:01

they want people to play their competitive

22:03

TCG game. And

22:05

if you need $380 cards, that's

22:08

not very accessible to some people.

22:11

When the pandemic happened and vivid voltage

22:13

and all that stuff started selling out,

22:16

we started doing a video, we started doing video

22:18

podcasts at the time. And I remember like

22:21

Will was on the show, Greg, we were

22:23

talking about how like this is not sustainable

22:26

and this was going to crash. We were

22:28

also talking about how like PSA

22:30

is just people making up numbers

22:33

and this has been proven time

22:35

and time again. And so we got two comments

22:37

a lot on all our YouTube videos. One was

22:39

we don't know what we're talking about in regards

22:41

to PSA, which you're

22:44

wrong. You're wrong. Literally

22:46

just search PSA and TikTok and you will

22:48

find videos of people getting

22:50

a card back from PSA, cracking it

22:52

open, resending it to PSA for a

22:55

different score. Like you could

22:57

find it over and over and over again. Do

22:59

you know why? Over and over and over. Yes,

23:01

they have machines that like line things up, but

23:03

at the end of the day, it's still a

23:05

guy standing there. And if his girlfriend broke up

23:07

with him the day before, he's going to be

23:09

like, you know what, Mr. sending me

23:11

eight Charizard's, none of them are going to

23:13

be 10s. I'm just going to nine them all

23:16

because like at the end of the day, it's still a

23:18

human grading it. And we've seen this time and

23:20

time again of like I sent this to PSA

23:22

six times and the six time they finally gave

23:24

it a 10. Like that's

23:26

all they want. There's such a huge difference

23:29

in prices between a nine, a PSA nine

23:31

and a PSA 10. And

23:33

so it's worth it for them to spend the $30

23:35

to crack it open and send it back in over

23:38

and over again to get that PSA 10. So

23:41

haha, what do you want? PSA

23:43

is that perfect. I got you. That's

23:46

fine. The other thing we got all the time was like,

23:49

the market's not going to crash. But

23:54

your most expensive card of the year is

23:56

$146. It

24:00

was it was a literally a $500 card

24:03

for like three hours before it dropped

24:05

to 300 and then like three hours

24:07

later it dropped to like 200. Like

24:12

the reason is not specifically

24:14

because of like

24:17

Pokemon itself. Like I don't think like

24:19

Scarlet and Violet cards are suddenly bad

24:21

or like not fun to

24:23

collect anymore. It's just when you

24:26

have the entire world inside

24:28

their houses because of a global

24:30

pandemic and they can't go

24:32

to bars and they can't go to baseball games and they

24:34

can't go to concerts and they can't travel to Florida

24:37

or Japan or Disney or stuff.

24:39

They have extra money. And

24:42

they're like I don't know what to do.

24:44

Let's order some Pokemon cards and open them.

24:47

Let's start collecting something. Let's get into a

24:49

new hobby, which is great. Let's make sourdough

24:51

bread. Yeah, like so many

24:53

people started forming hobbies. Like my

24:55

personal all time high on Twitch

24:57

was at the start of the

24:59

pandemic. Did I suddenly

25:01

become more entertaining? No, it's just

25:03

people were at home and they were like I need

25:06

to put something on the TV. Steve's

25:08

running in circles catching shiny Pokemon.

25:10

Let's do that. Like people needed

25:12

new hobbies and you know what happened? Exactly

25:15

what Greg, Will, and I said, as soon

25:17

as people were able to go

25:20

to California, go to Brazil, go to

25:22

Japan, go to the baseball game, go

25:24

see some basketball, football, the bar, they

25:27

stopped buying and collecting Pokemon

25:29

cards. Which?

25:35

Hey, I want to go

25:37

out. Could I spend $100 on a booster box or could I

25:39

spend $100 for a weekend in Door County? Like

25:45

people made choices. I don't know if you want to

25:47

go to Door County, but people made choices. That's

25:51

a call. Oh, boy. Greg's

25:54

like I'll take the Pokemon cards. I

25:56

will take having spent. amount

26:00

of time in Door County with

26:02

nothing to do because there's a giant

26:05

lake but your father-in-law is motion sick

26:07

so he can never go on a

26:09

boat so all you can do is

26:11

stare at a lake from a distance

26:14

or go antiquing for the four millionth

26:16

time to look at the same antiques

26:18

that were there last year because nobody's

26:20

buying them. I

26:25

brought bikes one weekend and I took

26:27

the bike and disappeared and I got

26:29

a message from my husband that just

26:31

said, I hate you so

26:33

much right now and I

26:35

said, I'm not telling you where I am,

26:38

I'll be back in a couple hours. Not

26:43

a lot of heavy hitters on this list but hey

26:46

if you're in the market for Grey felt hat

26:48

Pikachu, it's under $150 now. It's

26:51

$150 now. Hey, you know what

26:53

the number one card for magic

26:55

was this year? It's

26:58

the easiest guess. Black

27:00

Lotus. The One Ring. The

27:02

One Ring, yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought that was a different. For

27:06

$2 million. Yep. That's

27:08

a lot of Grey felt hat Pikachus. Yeah,

27:12

it is. See the

27:14

one that shocked me is the 30th

27:16

anniversary which is the dumbest thing they've ever done. One

27:20

card in there is $41,000 and it's not legal

27:22

to use. Well,

27:28

I mean this $109 charge, it's technically

27:31

not a legal card to use. You

27:34

can't actually use it. Not

27:36

that anyone's really using charges. Is

27:40

that ungraded? What's the PSA

27:42

10? What's the PSA 9? Yeah, no, it's

27:44

ungraded. It is just, it was the 30th

27:46

anniversary nightmare pack. You

27:51

can't use it in any format. You

27:54

can use it with your friends, but you can't use it anywhere else.

27:57

Another card from that set is... twenty

28:00

thousand dollars. For the record,

28:02

I have nothing against PSA or

28:04

Beckett or the 900 other grading

28:08

companies that popped up during the pandemic.

28:11

I'm not into like super graded cards,

28:14

but I think the only way I think

28:17

if I was to get like start collecting grading,

28:19

I would be like, I want every Cramorant card

28:21

graded, like it would be a very specific thing.

28:23

It wouldn't be like, I want every graded card

28:25

for the sake of getting great. Like graded, it

28:28

would be like, uh, like

28:30

I have the Japanese Cramorant card

28:32

promo from like their post office

28:34

thing that they did. That's a

28:36

weird sentence. If like, if, if

28:39

no one's following cards, they're like,

28:41

what did you just say? A

28:43

Japanese Cramorant promo card that was

28:45

given out during the, a

28:47

post office offer in Japan, it

28:49

was part of their stamp collection.

28:52

And that's the really beautiful one that looks like

28:54

traditional art style, right? Yes. So I have

28:56

two of those and I

28:58

don't know if my eyes are good enough to be

29:00

like, hmm, this one is maybe a PSA 10, but

29:03

I would like to get that graded, not with the

29:05

like intent of like, oh, if it's PSA 10, I

29:07

can resell it. I would like to get it graded

29:09

because like now it is

29:11

at least protected. I'm sure,

29:13

I'm sure I can get like a hard case or

29:15

whatever, but you know how like they air tighted and

29:18

they like, it's mostly the protection

29:20

aspect of like, I don't care if it's like

29:22

an eight or a nine or a 10, it's

29:24

like, okay, now it's like permanently safe,

29:27

I guess, for however

29:29

much PSA charges. I think it's like 30 bucks

29:31

or something, a card. I don't

29:33

know. I don't know if they still have like a six

29:35

month wait. I don't think so anymore. I think they're pretty

29:37

caught up. I don't think so. I think it's gone back

29:40

to normal. Yeah. Okay.

29:42

So, uh, let's take a

29:44

break. When we get back, we'll just quickly go over

29:46

the top 10 most searched for cards in Japan, which

29:48

is very different than this list of top 10 expensive

29:51

cards. And then, uh, we have a

29:53

couple of more new things and then we'll wrap up for the week. So

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let's go over the top 10

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most searched for cards in Japan.

33:28

This is specifically off

33:31

pokemoncard.com which is the

33:34

actual Japanese official

33:37

Pokemon TCG website. pokemon-card.com.

33:41

They did top 50 but we'll just do the top 10.

33:44

Number 10 is Squawkability

33:47

EX. I

33:50

think a few decks run Squawkability because

33:52

of its ability. It's

34:01

Squawkability. It's like Westenality but for

34:03

the modern age. And

34:06

then we have a Garatina

34:08

V-Star. Oh, this

34:10

is like weird because they come from

34:12

different sets. So like Squawkability comes from

34:14

Snow Hazard which I don't

34:16

know what set that got moved into in the United States.

34:20

Garatina V-Star which

34:23

is a Garatina card

34:25

that was used in Lost Zone

34:27

decks. And then we have number

34:29

8 is Curlia. Just

34:33

a Curlia. It'll make

34:35

more sense when we go up the list. Number

34:39

7 is Sableye which

34:41

is another Lost Zone

34:43

card. The iron on that

34:46

one is so good. And

34:49

then number 6 is Spirit Tomb

34:52

which I believe some people are playing in their deck.

34:54

Usually one Spirit Tomb because of its ability. Then number

34:58

5 is Chenpao

35:01

EX which has

35:04

also its ability. I think, I

35:06

can't remember what people were pairing with Chenpao. Well

35:10

I think they're pairing Greninja because they're both

35:13

water Pokemon in this game.

35:15

So that would be Radiant

35:17

Greninja is number 4.

35:20

And then the top 3 shouldn't

35:22

surprise anyone but number 3 is going to

35:24

be Mew EX which can

35:26

copy other people's moves and do

35:29

it. That's usually the gimmick with

35:31

Mew. And then number

35:33

2 is Maraidon EX which one

35:35

of the most popular decks

35:37

is Maraidon decks. And

35:40

then number 1 is Gardevoir

35:42

EX which again another deck.

35:44

These were the most searched

35:47

for cards in

35:49

Japan in 2023. Notice how they're all competitive.

35:58

There's a Charizard. Charizard I did make it into list

36:00

at number 20. It was

36:02

the 151 promo Charizard at number

36:05

20. But

36:09

yeah, just look, it's very easy in

36:11

Japan. If

36:13

you want to play the TCG, it's very

36:16

easy. You

36:20

can jump on a bus or a train, probably

36:23

walk down the street, because there's probably a

36:25

tournament or a local league. In

36:28

America, you might not have that luxury. You

36:30

might be like a 45-minute car

36:32

ride to get to your nearest

36:35

tournament. I don't know what this curly

36:37

does. I don't have the English version of it in

36:39

front of me. We'll switch

36:41

over to some Pokemon Scarlet and Violet news.

36:46

Not really breaking news, just some... Some

36:51

Pokemon Scarlet and Violet bugs. Or

36:54

are they oversights? Are they bugs

36:56

or are they oversights? Or are they

36:58

features? Okay, so there's a known... The

37:01

Pokemon company is calling it a

37:03

bug for the record. Known bug,

37:05

when a Pokemon under the effect

37:07

of Dragon Cheer is switched out

37:10

in battle and then re-enters, its

37:13

attack stats will still have the heightened

37:15

chance of landing a critical hit. This

37:18

intended behavior for Dragon Cheer's effects

37:21

to be removed... The intended behavior is

37:23

for Dragon Cheer's effects to be removed when

37:25

a Pokemon switches out of battle. We plan

37:27

to fix this issue in 3.0.1, which

37:31

will be released mid-January 2024 or later.

37:36

Dragon Cheer will be usable

37:40

in... Dragon Cheer... If

37:46

you're doing ranked battles right now, you

37:48

can still use Dragon Cheer. There's nothing preventing

37:51

you from doing that. And

37:53

if you want to cheese the ladder, by

37:55

all means, you have probably a week or

37:57

so to do that. Technically,

38:00

it is

38:02

usable regardless, but they did

38:05

come out and say that at the

38:07

upcoming regionals, Dragon

38:10

Chair will be banned. But

38:13

apparently because the Blueberry prologue, which we

38:15

talked about last week, is

38:17

taking place next week, and

38:19

because they are not banning it on

38:21

rank ladder, because I don't know how they would

38:23

without pushing an update, which they

38:25

already said they're not doing until 3.0.1 is ready, for

38:27

the Blueberry prologue. Not

38:32

to be confused with the epilogue. You

38:36

can use Dragon Chair. So

38:39

uh,

38:41

I don't know.

38:45

They acknowledge that it's there, they acknowledge that

38:47

it's a problem, and they can't

38:49

or, flash, aren't doing anything

38:51

about it yet. Why

38:54

don't they just delay

38:56

the Blueberry prologue? Just push it

38:59

back a week or two. Like

39:02

I don't think this is like the

39:04

end of the world, because not a

39:08

lot of Pokémon can learn Dragon Chair. It's

39:11

still annoying. Mhm. You

39:16

know, I could understand if this was an oversight. I

39:19

would let it slide, but since they're clarifying it

39:21

as a bug, unacceptable

39:24

honestly. How

39:26

dare they. What

39:29

else was supposed to be fixed with 3.0.1? The

39:32

TM for Metal Sound, I think? Metal,

39:36

yeah, whatever, the one that- Scarlet

39:40

doesn't get. Scarlet, yeah. Metal

39:44

Sound, Dragon Chair, and what was

39:47

the last one? Oh, Inkay! Haha,

39:49

yeah, they got that, yeah, Inkay.

39:53

Gotta make it so Inkay isn't breaking people's

39:55

game. Man,

39:58

what a treat. You know, I

40:00

think I will take these issues over just

40:04

playing like Harkold,

40:06

Tulsilver, Diamond and Pearl. I

40:08

watched somebody knock out a

40:10

level 100 Pokemon and it was

40:12

like three to five business days before that Pokemon got

40:14

like knocked out fully. It was just, I

40:17

thought I was watching paint dry. I was

40:20

like, this is a nightmare. It's a little slow. I

40:26

will also say the in-kay issue

40:28

is a lot less stressful than the

40:30

who knows why people's games were getting

40:32

bricked issue early on in

40:34

this game existence. I never

40:37

like knowing that the

40:39

issue is with an underleveled in-kay

40:42

and actually

40:44

knowing what I can do to avoid

40:47

it instead of just maybe

40:49

it has to do with Pokemon Go. Maybe.

40:54

Maybe it's Vivillon, maybe it's GimmeGul,

40:56

maybe it's updating. I think, well,

40:58

some people thought it was like

41:00

purchasing the DLC. So

41:05

there's your tone in

41:07

next week where we talk about what else is broken

41:09

with Scarlet and Vi. The

41:13

whole epilogue. We'll see. We're not up

41:15

next week. I think it's

41:17

been long enough for like two podcasts rule

41:19

here. We said Pokemon concierge came out. You

41:22

should watch it. I think both of you

41:24

watched it. I finally watched it. Y'all

41:28

overhyped it. What?

41:35

How dare you? Here's how I

41:37

would review it. If somebody didn't

41:39

have Netflix and was like, should I

41:41

get Pokemon concierge? Should I spend the

41:43

$22 for Netflix premium or whatever

41:45

it is? I would say no, it's not

41:47

worth $22. If

41:50

it was on Netflix or if it was on

41:52

YouTube for free, I would say, yeah, you should

41:54

watch it because it's like an hour and it's

41:56

cute. Have you watched Tassoo

41:58

in Snow yet? No, but

42:02

if it's better, it might be better than Concierge.

42:05

I think it is. I thought

42:07

Concierge was enjoyable, but

42:09

it wasn't amazing.

42:14

It was very cute and sweet

42:16

and fun. I think

42:18

that I wanted to live there. Here's the

42:20

best part about Concierge. The

42:22

Magikarp that couldn't swim. He

42:25

was by far the best part

42:27

of that whole series. All

42:30

of it was great. All of it was

42:32

good. All of it was really good. All

42:34

of the sounds, all of the music, all

42:36

of the little sounds that the Pokemon made,

42:38

like when the Psyduck was just bouncing along

42:41

in the scooter that they were riding in,

42:43

all of it was fantastic and adorable,

42:45

but also it was, they're just,

42:47

nah, I didn't like the Scooby-Doo Shaggy

42:50

guy. I just didn't vibe with him

42:52

at all. He gave me

42:54

big Shaggy energy. You

42:57

don't think so? He's like,

42:59

yeah, dupeular man. No.

43:03

Here's the thing. What they did with

43:05

textures alone in that series is amazing.

43:07

Oh, no, it's gorgeous. It's very, it's

43:10

very pretty. Like from

43:13

a pure art of

43:16

what they made in there with all the texture

43:18

stuff, it puts

43:21

a lot of things to shame. The amount

43:23

of care and detail work that they put

43:25

in there. The amount of

43:28

attention they paid to each Pokemon and the texture

43:31

of what that Pokemon should look like and how

43:33

it reflects in the world. It's

43:35

brilliant. Is it a very simple

43:38

story? Absolutely.

43:41

But it's, that isn't, that isn't,

43:43

I don't feel like that's the point. The

43:45

point is to exist in an incredibly beautiful,

43:47

relaxing world where you are trying to just

43:50

be like the main character is and let

43:52

go of a lot of the other things.

43:54

And on that level, it is incredibly successful.

43:58

Yes. Art wise, especially. especially, it's

44:00

a fantastic piece of work. Story-wise, it's

44:02

not going to blow you away. And

44:04

I was a little worried about the

44:06

Pikachu in that last episode, but

44:09

it's

44:11

still a real thing. Just the right amount

44:13

of stress. It

44:15

wasn't stress. It's just

44:17

that's not how I would have dealt with... I'm

44:19

an introvert. That's not how I would try to

44:22

get another introvert to feel better. Introverted

44:25

Pikachu. I just think of Path

44:28

to the Peak, which I did watch.

44:30

Path to the Peak, Hisuene

44:32

Snow, Pal Day and Wind,

44:34

Concierge. I will probably name

44:37

like 18 other YouTube 4-episode

44:39

things. They love 4 episodes. That's

44:41

like they're crazy. That's why I

44:43

haven't watched Hisuene Snow. Only 3, not 4. I

44:49

just think of all these shows, right? And

44:52

Netflix decided Concierge was the only

44:54

one that I wanted to

44:56

pay for or whatever, right? Because there was a

44:58

brand deal that was struck. That's why Concierge is

45:00

behind the paywall. And

45:02

Netflix's whole business model is

45:04

not to keep a

45:07

show running for 8 seasons

45:09

because they know that doesn't work. What works

45:11

is a new show with a new season

45:14

to get you to sign up. That's why...

45:16

That's not the reason they don't

45:18

run new shows. It's because once you go through past 3

45:20

seasons, they have to pay people more, I believe.

45:23

Yep, 100%. Yeah,

45:25

but also if I'm saying like season

45:27

5 of something is coming out, that's

45:30

not as exciting to say a brand

45:33

new show and a brand new season is coming

45:35

out. Depends on how much hype

45:37

the series generates. Yeah, I mean... You can always get

45:39

new viewers. Like, we can point

45:41

to the parts that break that rule, which is

45:44

like Stranger Things, which is going on season 5

45:46

and people are chomping at the bit for it

45:48

to get done. It really

45:52

depends on how much they invest

45:54

into that series and what's going

45:56

on. Like, I don't know that's

45:58

the universe. It is true that... Netflix does not

46:01

like paying more money for things. So

46:03

even shows and series that are incredibly

46:05

popular that has an incredibly strong Fanbase

46:08

will get cancelled because they don't want

46:10

to pay more money and it's blessed

46:12

to do with hype It's also harder

46:15

to sell new

46:17

ideas that aren't based on something that

46:19

exists, right? So like one piece live-action

46:21

was a huge seller because everybody knows

46:24

what one piece is and its promise

46:26

to be a lot shorter Than one

46:28

piece so and it was so successful

46:30

that they're redoing the anime They're

46:34

yeah, I mean with one piece again

46:37

an anime form

46:41

Netflix just has a Netflix has a really

46:43

bad model where where their biggest driver is

46:45

how much do they have to pay? people

46:49

and the reality is is you Particularly

46:52

for animated you have to pay voice actors less

46:54

money than you do Actors

46:57

who are on screen So anything

46:59

where they can keep getting layers

47:01

away from having real people on screen is always

47:03

gonna be cheaper for them. I believe

47:06

someone in slack pointed out that there

47:08

was also the studio that did the

47:10

animation was the same studio that did

47:13

the rirakama Animation

47:15

on Netflix. So that was already a studio

47:17

that work and made a Netflix show So

47:20

that's probably another reason why concierge is

47:23

on there instead of being on

47:25

YouTube for free If

47:27

you're on the fence of like I

47:29

want to watch concierge and I don't have Netflix I

47:32

don't think it's worth $22 I

47:34

think if it seems like it's your kind of

47:37

show then you're probably right if you're a little

47:39

unsure about it Then maybe

47:41

it's not worth $22 for a

47:43

month of Netflix But if it seems like the kind of

47:45

show you would enjoy if you just want to chill Pokemon

47:49

piece of artwork to watch for an hour.

47:51

It is really good in those aspects

47:54

Yeah, I mean like somebody to be to be

47:56

fair. Nothing is worth the $22 that you're paying

47:58

a month for now I don't think that's true.

48:02

There's no one thing that I can look at. I think one

48:04

piece is a million percent worth $22. Like

48:07

if you just got Netflix for a single month just

48:09

to watch One Piece, like I think that is worth,

48:12

like what is a movie at a movie

48:14

theater? Like $15 for 90 minutes of two

48:16

hours? One Piece is eight hours? Like

48:19

One Piece was a hundred percent worth $22. I

48:22

would even, like I'm not even a big Stranger Things fan,

48:24

but like, if

48:26

you've never watched Stranger Things to watch the

48:29

first four seasons for $22, like that's worth

48:31

it. I

48:34

don't know, Stranger Things kind of started falling apart for me,

48:36

but it's like that sunk

48:38

cost fallacy of like, there's supposed to be one season

48:40

left, so I might as well finish it. Yeah. I

48:47

think the Scott Pilgrim thing is worth $22, but

48:50

I'm also a Scott Pilgrim fan, so. I

48:52

mean, I'm a big Scott Pilgrim fan. I

48:54

don't know that it's worth $22, but like

48:57

all of those things together, absolutely. Yeah,

49:00

yeah, yeah. Are worth $22. But

49:02

I talked about this last week where my

49:05

strategy is buy it for a month, watch

49:07

everything, and then cancel. Because

49:11

I think, like going back to like the

49:14

new signups, like there's plenty of

49:16

articles that talk about how Netflix prioritizes

49:18

new signups. They don't

49:20

care about reoccurring seasons. They only care

49:22

about getting new people to sign up

49:24

and announcing new shows, like

49:26

One Piece or Scott Pilgrim or

49:29

whatever, is way more successful

49:31

than being like, we're on season 19 of

49:33

the show. Even

49:35

though like there might be like this rabid

49:37

fan base for season 19 of whatever. You

49:41

get somebody to sign up and then they

49:43

forget to cancel or

49:45

they have auto renew on, and all of a sudden

49:47

you're just making money. And then you get them in

49:49

the instance of like, well, I'm scared to cancel because

49:51

if I try to re-sign up in two months, you're

49:53

going to raise the prices on me, and I'm like

49:56

locked in for at least whatever

49:58

weird grace period they give, which is like $20. is

50:00

only like three months normally of like we'll keep

50:02

your price for three months before we increase it.

50:05

I guess also somebody's gonna be like well you could

50:07

do the ad ver- yeah I guess technically you could

50:09

do like the ad version for cheaper than 22 but

50:11

22 is like the standard like 4k whatever

50:14

that I

50:17

don't even think I think like the 799 isn't even HD I think it's like 483

50:19

or something. You'll

50:25

get to watch the things and I'm

50:27

sure they'll bring ads to the 4k one eventually.

50:29

Here's that you don't want to

50:31

watch Pokemon Commsy Airs in 480p

50:33

you would be doing yourself a

50:35

disservice. I

50:39

thought it was okay though. Last

50:42

bit of news here is the Pokemon Ghost

50:45

stuff. We'll start with the

50:47

Fendi which

50:50

is Fendi fragment and Pokemon

50:52

have teamed up together to

50:55

release a Dragon Knight collection.

50:57

You don't know

50:59

what Fendi is they're

51:01

a designer brand like

51:03

Gucci or Prada or

51:06

Balenciaga. None of the-

51:08

for the record none of these companies

51:10

are good just because we're reporting on

51:12

Fendi does not mean we support Fendi

51:14

or Balenciaga or any of these or

51:16

just reporting the news here. Or

51:19

Netflix. Also

51:24

not a great company. So

51:26

fragment they do their

51:29

own thing Fendi does their own thing Pokemon does their

51:31

own thing. The news out of this is they came

51:33

together and there

51:35

is a free Dragonite hoodie in

51:37

Pokemon Go that you can get it

51:39

does say Fendi on it so you

51:43

want to wear that you know be your own

51:45

person but there is also

51:47

like a hat that you can get but

51:49

you only get the hat by going to

51:51

a Fendi location. There are some standalone stores

51:54

I think there's one in New York I

51:56

think there's one in Chicago and then they're

51:58

also like part of Sax Avenue. So I

52:01

believe those should count from

52:03

what Pokemon Go's website

52:05

said. That should be available for about a full

52:07

year. So there should be a rush

52:09

if you're looking for the hat. Now

52:12

if you're actually looking to buy things with

52:14

money to put on your

52:16

IRL person, yourself, the

52:19

hoodie you get in game is free. The

52:22

hoodie in real life, $1,200. That

52:30

cute Dratini purse you're seeing everywhere, $2,550. You

52:38

want a bracelet with a Pokeball

52:40

that opens up and has the

52:42

fragment logo, $520. The

52:45

actual cute Dratini purse is almost

52:47

$3,000 because there's a Dratini and Dragonite purses that

52:54

actually are some of the best Pokemon merch I

52:56

think that they have released in a collaboration in

52:58

some time. These actually look cool. It's

53:01

not just Pokemon slapped on a thing. The

53:04

purses actually look like the Pokemon. $2,950,

53:07

which I'm not surprised by. It's

53:12

a bargain. If

53:14

you're going to ask the question, who is buying this? Not

53:17

you. Rich

53:24

people, they're not buying like $20 t-shirts

53:26

at Target. Well,

53:28

maybe some of them are. $850

53:32

t-shirt is nothing to

53:34

somebody worth millions of

53:37

dollars. This is just a

53:40

walk in the park for them to be like, oh, a

53:42

$2,390 soft trunk brown fabric Dragonite

53:49

purse, I'll take two. It's

53:53

not for us. But,

53:56

I mean, you could save up. If

53:58

you've never heard of Fendi. Now you have.

54:02

So mission accomplished. You

54:04

now know what Fendi is. I will say like

54:06

we've covered a lot of designer brands in like

54:08

the last two years or whatever. The

54:11

last one we covered was APC which

54:13

not as luxury, still luxury but not

54:16

as luxury as Fendi. Not as. This

54:19

is a way better collaboration. Also a

54:21

way more expensive collaboration but way

54:24

better. Tiffany and company

54:27

probably on the same par

54:29

but that was mostly just necklaces

54:32

and bracelets. This is

54:34

hoodie, hat, credit

54:37

card holder, purse, lots of purses

54:40

actually. So

54:43

anyways I guess the news here is get your free

54:46

Dragonite hoodie. You have like a year to do

54:48

so. If you are in

54:50

a location of a Fendi store, one I

54:52

don't know if they'll let you in because a lot of these

54:54

designer stores now are appointment only but if you get close enough

54:56

there should be a polka stuff. You

55:00

don't have to actually go inside though it does

55:02

look like there are only seven locations

55:05

in the United States for this. Do you have the

55:07

list? I do. Two

55:10

of them are in New York. One of them

55:12

is in Beverly Hills. One of them is in

55:14

Miami. Then Costa Mesa South

55:17

Coast Plaza. Don't know where that's located.

55:19

Would have to click on it. Las

55:21

Vegas and Houston. The

55:26

South Coast Plaza one is in Costa

55:28

Mesa, California. A lot in New

55:30

York, a lot in California. It's

55:32

almost where the rich people live. Interesting.

55:34

Almost. Interesting. Interesting.

55:39

Interesting. Yes.

55:44

That is live. The

55:49

promo code is available until January 4th, 2025.

55:51

We're good there. We

55:56

had a segment last week

55:58

about Pokemon Go. I ended up

56:00

cutting because the I wanted

56:02

the show to be the show is already

56:04

running long decided to cut it at mostly

56:07

because this news came out and I thought

56:09

that this was I didn't want to have

56:11

the same conversation twice especially now that we have like

56:13

the top 10 moments of 2023 so

56:15

like what happened in Pokemon Go in 2023 Hannah

56:18

asked a really good question last week that I

56:20

haven't been that I've been thinking about the

56:23

entire time so what we ended up cutting was Hannah saying

56:25

it wasn't bad

56:29

Hannah said what is bringing you back

56:31

to Pokemon Go that isn't like events

56:34

and that isn't new Pokemon and

56:36

I had to think about it and for me

56:38

I thought about it obviously for me it's

56:41

a couple things number one it's like let's

56:43

say I don't go to any Pokemon Go event and

56:45

let's say they don't release any new Pokemon even

56:48

though to me like new Pokemon don't really drive me because

56:50

like the title was the newest

56:52

one and it was like who cares the title

56:55

I'll care when it they bring it is shiny

56:57

then I'll care but here's the three things

56:59

that bring me back to Pokemon Go regardless

57:02

of what Niantic does or whatever

57:04

number one is getting the level 50 I'm

57:06

almost there I'm level 49 I

57:09

need to like do 500 more excellence I

57:11

need to do the go battle league stuff

57:14

which I'm actually like I'm I've been anytime

57:16

I see like a team on Twitter I've been hitting

57:18

a little save button to be like oh I could

57:20

probably build this team so I have to do

57:23

go battle league and I have to get to level

57:25

50 that's my goal for this year number two is

57:27

to continue my lucky decks I

57:29

really really like lucky Pokemon and I think

57:31

the thing I mentioned last week with Hannah

57:33

was like oh like I'm really excited for

57:35

like a lucky event if they do that

57:37

because I've been trying to do my lucky

57:39

decks and number three is my shiny

57:43

decks I need one more Pokemon in

57:45

Kanto which is Goldeen I

57:47

still don't have a Goldeen and then I

57:50

have all 151 Kanto Pokemon

57:52

I need four more Pokemon for

57:54

Johto they're all baby Pokemon like

57:57

Cleffa and they've

57:59

got trapped with the incubators. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

58:05

And then I need like four or five

58:07

Pokemon for Hoenn. I really haven't looked past

58:09

that. I'll evaluate Sinnoh once

58:11

Sinnoh Tour comes. But like

58:14

for me, it's just like creating my own goals. And

58:17

I know that those three things alone, I probably

58:19

won't get done this year. Well, I think level

58:21

50 will happen. But like, I don't

58:23

know. I like the big

58:25

and small a lot as well. So like trading

58:28

for big and small shinies or trying to get

58:30

a big or small shiny like is

58:32

really compelling to me when an event comes out.

58:35

And I like showcases

58:37

a lot. And I think showcases

58:39

are pretty underrated. And

58:42

when it's nice out, it's very cold right

58:45

now. But when it's nice out

58:47

and I'm playing Pokemon Go Active and like the showcase

58:49

is like, I don't know, like miltank

58:51

or something. Like I am now

58:53

like I need to catch every miltank as

58:55

possible this weekend because I want to try

58:57

to win that showcase. And you know, that's

58:59

maybe not appealing to everyone. But

59:02

for me, like, I absolutely

59:04

love showcases. And I hope that Niantic

59:06

makes those slightly better because I think right now

59:09

showcase only is like the biggest. It

59:11

would be nice to see like the smallest or

59:13

the heaviest. I don't think they've

59:15

done that yet. I think they've talked about doing that

59:18

or they were supposed to do the smallest, but then

59:20

it broke. So they went back to the

59:22

heaviest. That's very possible. I think they might

59:25

have done that. And actually, that last thing

59:27

you mentioned gets close to the actual question

59:29

I asked, which is not

59:31

what do you what brings you back to

59:33

Pokemon Go regardless of what Niantic is doing.

59:36

My question was, what is Niantic doing that

59:38

is bringing you back to Pokemon Go other

59:41

than in person events than

59:44

the live ticketed location based

59:46

events? What are the things that Niantic

59:48

is doing that brings you back

59:50

to Pokemon Go? What are the things that Niantic

59:53

is doing that are making people

59:55

excited about the game because having our own

59:57

goals and being able to aim for whatever

59:59

we want. is one of the great things

1:00:01

about most Pokemon games. That's

1:00:03

their... just... that's one of the

1:00:05

things that makes it a Pokemon game, in my

1:00:07

opinion. But what Niantic

1:00:10

is doing is kind of...

1:00:15

the... way... or... it's

1:00:17

the thing that's keeping the game alive. For

1:00:20

a lot of people. What is Niantic

1:00:22

doing to bring people back? I

1:00:25

know that, Greg, you always talk about Final Fantasy and

1:00:27

how that's one of those games that if

1:00:29

there's not something you're excited about, you can

1:00:31

go off, play other things, and then they

1:00:33

will do something exciting to bring you back.

1:00:36

What is Niantic doing that

1:00:38

is exciting to bring people

1:00:41

back that isn't live in-person events?

1:00:45

And showcases, it sounds like, Steve, is

1:00:47

one for you. Well, before

1:00:49

we talk about 2024, let's go over the top

1:00:51

10 moments of 2023. This

1:00:55

is off pokemon.com. Written by Niantic.

1:00:58

No, this is actually on Pokemon's website. Probably

1:01:01

because Niantic laid off the person who would have

1:01:03

written this on their blog. Ha ha ha! Jeez,

1:01:07

get rekt! Okay,

1:01:10

so... Top 10 moments,

1:01:12

they're starting off with Hello Hoenn! That

1:01:15

was the Pokemon Go Tour Hoenn that

1:01:17

ran from February 25th to 26th. The

1:01:21

Ruby and Sapphire badges for Ruby and

1:01:23

Sapphire. So,

1:01:26

Hoenn Tour. I

1:01:28

don't think Sinnoh Tour will be as exciting as Hoenn

1:01:30

Tour. Mostly, we've talked

1:01:32

about this because Sinnoh relies a

1:01:35

lot on Gen 1 nostalgia. And

1:01:37

Hoenn tried to... Hoenn just introduced

1:01:39

more Pokemon, right? Hoenn just had like 132 Pokemon. Sinnoh

1:01:43

only had like 80 new Pokemon

1:01:45

or something like that. Primals

1:01:48

was on their top 10. So,

1:01:51

Mega Evolution has been in Pokemon Go

1:01:53

since 2020. Which

1:01:55

is actually crazy. But 2023 focused

1:01:57

on Hoenn. You

1:02:00

got Primal Groudon, you got Primal Kyogre, I

1:02:03

don't think they mention it here, but technically I guess

1:02:05

you got Mega Rayquaza, which

1:02:08

is another Mega, but they're all the

1:02:10

same. It's all the same thing.

1:02:12

I mean, yeah, you can change the word, but

1:02:17

it's all the same thing. Shadow

1:02:20

Pokémon are incredibly popular. In

1:02:23

May, they took the

1:02:25

Raid Boss approach with

1:02:27

Shadow Raid Pokémon, bringing back Mewtwo as

1:02:30

one of the Shadow Raid bosses. These

1:02:32

were one, three, five-star Shadow Raids can

1:02:34

only be challenged in person because Shadow

1:02:36

Pokémon are so strong. Traders

1:02:38

will receive new tools to subdue

1:02:41

them, Purify Gems, which

1:02:43

is a new mechanic. And

1:02:46

then, I

1:02:49

have my own problem with Shadow Raids that

1:02:51

isn't in person, but we can circle back

1:02:54

when we get here. Paldean

1:02:56

Partners. It's

1:02:58

thrilling when new Pokémon from a

1:03:01

new region make their Pokémon GO

1:03:03

debut, from Gimmegool in February to

1:03:05

the first Paldean Partners, Spriggetito, Fwaycoco,

1:03:07

Quackflea, debuting in September. Oodles

1:03:11

of adorable new faces in Pokémon GO this

1:03:13

year. And

1:03:15

then, they mentioned LeChonk. If

1:03:17

you forgot, they released the

1:03:20

Master Ball this year, which was a long

1:03:22

time in the making. Even

1:03:24

though they put a Master Ball on a

1:03:27

Christmas tree, like, what, like six years ago, and people

1:03:29

were like, Master Ball's coming. For

1:03:33

Pokéballs, Classic Red, Great Ball, Ultra

1:03:35

Ball, Premier Ball, in May, the

1:03:39

Master Ball became available for

1:03:41

completing your Let's GO special research

1:03:43

for Season 10. Second

1:03:47

Master Ball was available also, and

1:03:50

it says, they're saying this, hopefully,

1:03:52

a third opportunity to add a

1:03:54

Master Ball isn't far off. This

1:03:56

is off Pokémon.com. We're

1:03:58

going to trust them more than Niantic. So

1:04:03

Journey is the destination. They announced Roots

1:04:05

which came out in July. And

1:04:09

during Roots, if you're lucky trainers, you

1:04:11

can find Zygarde cells by

1:04:14

traveling roots. They

1:04:17

talked about the world championship of

1:04:21

a team consisting

1:04:23

of Alolan Sam slash Knocked

1:04:25

Owl, Lantern, Shatter, Swamperp, Sableye,

1:04:27

and Metacham. Was

1:04:29

the winning team here. And

1:04:32

then they talk about how Hawaii

1:04:34

is coming up for the next

1:04:36

world championships. Again

1:04:39

this is their list of top 10 moments

1:04:41

in Pokemon Go. They're mentioning the Halloween event.

1:04:45

The annual Halloween event is always buckets

1:04:47

of treats, no exception. Grieve

1:04:50

year made their debut which

1:04:52

is crazy we still don't have Mimi Q yet. They

1:04:56

have the emergency Mimi Q button when Pokemon

1:04:59

Go starts failing. Hit the Mimi Q button.

1:05:04

They talk about the orange pokestops, pumpkins on

1:05:06

the ground. And then number

1:05:10

9 is going to be Party

1:05:12

Play that launched on October 16th

1:05:15

where you can form up in a

1:05:17

group, nice great throws, spinning stops, earning

1:05:19

party rewards, the party power. And

1:05:23

then finally they talk about how

1:05:27

the game introduced seasons.

1:05:30

There was 5 seasons in 2023,

1:05:32

a year kicked off with season

1:05:34

9 of Mythical Wishes. And

1:05:37

then season 10 Rising Heroes which was

1:05:40

renamed by the community as Rising

1:05:42

Prices. Then following

1:05:44

Hidden Gems and then

1:05:46

after that was Adventures Abound. And

1:05:49

then we are on the current season of

1:05:52

Timeless Travels. So that

1:05:54

is the 10thingspokobon.com said

1:05:56

for 2023. He

1:06:00

has a lot. Uh... Half

1:06:03

of them aren't new though. I

1:06:08

mean, I'm trying to get the exact number, but

1:06:10

primals are, are, are Megas, basically.

1:06:12

They're slightly different, but they're basically

1:06:14

Megas. Yeah, totally. World champion is not

1:06:17

a new thing. The Halloween event has been

1:06:19

a yearly thing every single year. And

1:06:22

seasons are also a regular thing at

1:06:24

this point. And even the Hoenn

1:06:26

tour, that technically was a new event, but

1:06:29

that's a yearly thing. So half

1:06:31

of these aren't new. Or

1:06:34

where they may be exciting parts of 2023. Yeah.

1:06:39

But they're not new. Yeah.

1:06:41

I feel like we should have

1:06:43

a, I feel like

1:06:45

going through seven years of Pokemon Go would be very

1:06:47

interesting and would take way too much time on this

1:06:50

podcast. But like I'm trying to even remember when Roots

1:06:52

got, or not Roots. Um, what's that thing?

1:06:55

Recently. Recently. Oh, Roots? Crazy.

1:06:59

I think was, was very exciting

1:07:01

as well. The pandemic has thrown

1:07:03

my time off of like, what,

1:07:06

when did what come out at what point?

1:07:09

Um, Yeah, time's gotten weird. I

1:07:12

don't, I'm curious if like, cause

1:07:16

I do think there's a lot here,

1:07:19

right? Like party play and Roots alone

1:07:21

are two big features that

1:07:24

for some people felt really, I think for a lot of

1:07:26

people felt really flat. But are

1:07:30

totally like new features, right? Like even the

1:07:32

master ball, it's like the

1:07:34

master ball that has the same problem in Go that it

1:07:36

does the main series games is you're like scared to use

1:07:38

it. And you just never use it. You're just like, I

1:07:40

don't know what to use it on. So you just never

1:07:42

use it. Like I could probably open up

1:07:44

my copy of Pokemon black from 12 years ago. And

1:07:48

I guarantee you, I still have the master ball in it. It's like,

1:07:50

what was I going to use it on? And

1:07:53

that's how I feel right now in Go is like, I don't know

1:07:55

what to use it on. Like

1:07:57

somebody could be like all the glaring birds. And it's like.

1:08:00

Okay, but like it's not as satisfying

1:08:02

to catch them for me if I would use

1:08:04

a master ball on them I want to

1:08:06

get that tiny tiny tiny chance But

1:08:09

even with the glaring birds like they're gonna put them in

1:08:12

raids eventually Right

1:08:15

like their pattern their patterns lends to

1:08:17

just wait. Yeah, just wait it out

1:08:19

is your way Yeah,

1:08:21

like like yeah, I could master ball

1:08:24

the next zaptos I see but I

1:08:26

still don't have articuno emaltres And it's

1:08:29

like what if I just wait till they put them in raids?

1:08:31

What happens when they become shiny like that's what I'm

1:08:33

waiting on Okay, I

1:08:36

already have them in other games. So like

1:08:39

There there is like that kind it's

1:08:41

not a problem But it's like you

1:08:44

don't get anything for completing something like

1:08:46

I'm not gonna once I get my shiny goldene The

1:08:50

only thing I'm gonna get is like me screen-shouting

1:08:52

I did it and then like putting it on

1:08:54

Twitter and getting like fake internet points But like

1:08:56

I'll feel good about it Like

1:08:59

like if zaptos was my favorite Pokemon

1:09:01

and Final Fantasy was my favorite series Yeah,

1:09:03

I would probably master ball the the Galarian

1:09:05

zaptos because it looks like a chocobo like

1:09:07

that's cool. But Like

1:09:10

I think the master ball is cool. I'm

1:09:12

glad the master ball is there I'm glad

1:09:14

that the master ball mission was like somewhat

1:09:18

Long and I wouldn't say challenging. It's just

1:09:20

like long and but like I

1:09:22

liked all of that. It's just like Like

1:09:26

I understand that some people like very excited for

1:09:28

the master ball. They probably use their master ball

1:09:30

They were satisfied with their master ball Yeah,

1:09:34

and I guess going through this list

1:09:37

and In case

1:09:40

people haven't been around for as

1:09:42

long as I've been on this show. I love

1:09:44

Pokemon go I would list Pokemon go is one

1:09:46

of my favorite Pokemon games I'm

1:09:48

being very critical of it because I'm a little bit

1:09:51

worried about where it's at at this point in time So

1:09:53

they got the meeting you going They

1:09:56

don't know how to put mimic you in PvP. I'm

1:09:58

convinced it would just break They're all meta.

1:10:01

Yeah. But

1:10:03

going through this list, what would be really

1:10:06

nice is if they had done really good

1:10:08

in-game events that had actually made people so

1:10:10

excited and so happy that they would want

1:10:12

to put those on this list other than

1:10:14

just the yearly Halloween

1:10:16

one and the yearly two or one. I

1:10:18

mean, it is their best event though, right? The Halloween one, yeah. Yeah.

1:10:22

But they just announced a big fairy type

1:10:24

one that I think people are going to

1:10:26

be happy with and that dragon and fairy

1:10:28

one that happened in 2022, I think, people

1:10:31

were really happy and excited about. I

1:10:33

was actually going to bring up that I think this year's

1:10:35

fairy event is bad. Like shiny cutie

1:10:37

fly is coming. That's fair.

1:10:40

That's fair. But I think it's

1:10:42

bad because last year's fairy

1:10:44

dragon event was so... It was two years ago. It

1:10:46

was two years ago? I think it was 2022. It

1:10:50

was so good. It

1:10:52

was one of... It was really good. It was

1:10:54

one of the best events they did. So

1:10:57

I do think... Okay, so going back to your question, actually,

1:11:00

I'm surprised that Showcases isn't on this list

1:11:02

because I think out of all

1:11:05

the things they introduced, Party Play, Roots,

1:11:07

Master Ball, we're

1:11:10

not counting Megas, Showcases

1:11:15

are legitimately, in my

1:11:17

opinion, cool. Like I

1:11:19

love them. I kind of wish there was...

1:11:24

I think Showcases rewards the

1:11:27

person living in the middle of nowhere because

1:11:30

if you have a town of

1:11:32

20,000 people and you have one gym

1:11:34

and four Pokestops and one's a Showcase,

1:11:36

you're probably always going to win that.

1:11:38

And the rewards... I

1:11:40

don't think this is talked about. The rewards for winning a Showcase

1:11:42

are awesome. You can get star pieces,

1:11:45

lucky eggs. You can get incubators. If

1:11:47

you come in like top three, they're

1:11:49

legitimately good for doing

1:11:51

nothing. No, they are good.

1:11:53

They are good. I'm shaking my head

1:11:56

because I live in the middle of a city and also

1:11:58

somehow nowhere near a single Showcase, so I've never... or

1:12:00

want to showcase. I think you

1:12:03

go to the Mall of America and I hope you get

1:12:05

there within the first three seconds. Oh my gosh. Yeah, if

1:12:07

you want to talk about like, like

1:12:09

the Mall of America privilege, if it's the

1:12:11

community day and the showcase opens at like

1:12:13

2 p.m. Well, I mean like Greg, you're

1:12:16

probably gonna go tomorrow. Like if

1:12:18

you do not enter a Pokemon within the first

1:12:20

10 minutes at Mall of America, it's full for

1:12:22

the rest of the day. It's full, it's done.

1:12:25

Like you have to be there right at two

1:12:27

and you have to be standing on it and

1:12:29

ready to drop your Pokemon. Which

1:12:32

is like crazy. Like I go to Mall

1:12:34

of America like once a week to play Go because

1:12:37

I legitimately like Pokemon Go, right? And where

1:12:40

else am I gonna go in 20 degree weather,

1:12:42

right? I'm gonna go to Mall of America, I'm

1:12:44

gonna walk in a circle, I'm gonna maybe get a Boba T and

1:12:47

then I'm gonna go home after like an hour. And

1:12:51

even on Tuesdays, I'll get there or

1:12:53

Wednesdays depending if I'm doing spotlight hour or raid hour.

1:12:56

And it's like, oh, a showcase. Of

1:12:58

course, it's full. Full. It's full. It's

1:13:01

full. It's full. But

1:13:04

yeah, I like showcases. I wish there

1:13:07

was, I

1:13:09

think my only thing for showcases, I wish there was

1:13:11

more variety. I wish there was like tiny, big,

1:13:14

heavy, lightest, not

1:13:16

tallest, I'm not sure what else they could do.

1:13:20

But, and then

1:13:23

there's the problem with showcases where they're just like not

1:13:26

working. Where you're

1:13:29

like, oh, it's Rowlet community day,

1:13:31

but they're saying Squirtle is the

1:13:33

showcase Pokemon for whatever reason. And you're like, I

1:13:35

can't even catch a Squirtle. So like that's what

1:13:37

they get. Like the problem with forms, they had

1:13:39

a problem with forms. They tried to make showcases

1:13:41

where you could enter Pokemon that had different forms

1:13:44

and it didn't work. So they had to switch

1:13:46

it back. Yeah, it was Wooper. Cause Wooper's the

1:13:48

showcase with Squirtle. I was

1:13:50

like, I can't even catch a Squirtle. Yeah.

1:13:54

That wasn't even the only time that they had a problem with

1:13:56

it. They just couldn't get it to work. And

1:13:59

it was. broken from the start. That's

1:14:01

another thing about these new features. Almost

1:14:04

all of them, with the exception of

1:14:06

Party Play, which was also broken but less,

1:14:10

have been very broken when they've launched. The

1:14:14

Shadowrite stuff, I think, is

1:14:16

cool. Like,

1:14:20

the Mewtwo was... like, the Shadowrite... a

1:14:22

lot of bright stuff is so dictated

1:14:24

by, like, just the popularity of the

1:14:26

Pokémon. Like, it was so

1:14:28

easy to get into Mewtwo Shadowraids

1:14:31

because people want... people like Mewtwo.

1:14:34

Like, Mewtwo's just an incredibly popular

1:14:36

Pokémon. And then,

1:14:38

like, for Moltres, Articuno, Zapdos,

1:14:41

like, I think if

1:14:44

you went the first weekend that Articuno,

1:14:47

Moltres, Zapdos came out, you would, like, find

1:14:50

people, at least in my area. Again, I'm talking

1:14:52

about my area. I'm sure that those results vary.

1:14:54

But, like, week two, week three, week four,

1:14:56

or however long

1:14:58

Niantic has repeated these every weekend, it was

1:15:00

just, like, less and less and less. Which

1:15:02

is not exclusive to Shadowraids. That's how every

1:15:04

raid kind of has worked in Pokémon Go.

1:15:06

Like, the first week is the good week.

1:15:09

And that's not exclusive to Pokémon Go either.

1:15:12

That's very similar to almost every other game. Like, even

1:15:14

if you play Scarlet and Violet, like, the first two

1:15:16

nights, people are like, seven star raids, seven star raids,

1:15:18

and then all of a sudden, if you're waiting, you're

1:15:20

like, oh, everyone's already done it,

1:15:23

people don't want to rerun it again, or they,

1:15:25

like, they don't have time. I

1:15:29

don't think that's, like, Niantic's problem specifically. I think

1:15:31

that's just, like, the FOMO of gaming.

1:15:33

It's like, we gotta do it now, because no one's

1:15:35

gonna do it later. My

1:15:38

problem with, like, the Shadow stuff

1:15:40

is still, there's, like, little to no

1:15:43

reason to purify anything. And so

1:15:45

you look at these tournaments, they talk about, like, the

1:15:47

world championship of, like, Shadow Swamp are being really good.

1:15:49

And I talked about earlier how I'm, like, saving

1:15:51

teams I see on Twitter, or whatever,

1:15:54

because it's like, oh, I want to build a new team for GBL. And,

1:15:56

like, I have a Regiele key, but I don't have, or not Regiele key, but

1:15:58

I don't have, or not Regiele key, but I don't have. Okay, I've already

1:16:00

steal, but I don't have this. Oh,

1:16:04

it was Poliwrath. I saw a lot of

1:16:06

shadow Poliwrath. And it was like, that's

1:16:09

cool. I don't have that. I

1:16:12

have no way of getting that. I have a regular

1:16:14

Poliwrath, but apparently that's not good enough. So

1:16:17

it's like, I get

1:16:19

that shadow Pokemon are stronger, but they take more

1:16:21

damage. But there's nothing

1:16:25

to purifying it, which is the thing you're supposed to,

1:16:27

they want you to do, right? They want you to

1:16:29

purify it, but like you get punished for purifying

1:16:32

it. Yeah. Story wise,

1:16:34

it does help the Pokemon to purify it.

1:16:38

Being a good person is rewarding itself.

1:16:40

Yeah. So it's like, I,

1:16:42

somebody's gonna be like, well, technically it's cheaper to

1:16:44

power up. True. I like, I'm not

1:16:46

disagreeing with that, but like the only reason

1:16:49

I could think of ever purifying a Pokemon is to

1:16:51

like mega evolve it. Like

1:16:53

if you had like a- Or if it is

1:16:55

a Pokemon like Sableye, or I think Wobbuffet, or

1:16:57

they actually can use the move return. So

1:17:00

those are actually good and purified form because

1:17:03

they only get access to that move

1:17:05

when purified, but that's a very limited

1:17:07

pool of Pokemon. I

1:17:09

wonder though, if like, I

1:17:12

wonder how much of 2023 in Pokemon

1:17:14

Go was like soured because

1:17:17

of the remote rate pass changes.

1:17:22

The thing we cut out last week was

1:17:24

a conversation of like people talking about how

1:17:26

Pokemon Go is like dying or this might

1:17:28

be the final year, which I disagree with.

1:17:32

I don't think it's dying. But when I

1:17:34

look at the past year, I

1:17:36

don't really see anything bad. I

1:17:39

see features that some people care about

1:17:41

and some people don't, but that's like

1:17:43

every game. Like,

1:17:46

GBL has been going pretty okay and I

1:17:48

don't really care about GBL. And

1:17:51

some events are good, some

1:17:54

are not. That one

1:17:56

dragon fairy event was like so

1:17:58

good. And this new fairy event. It's

1:18:00

like it's okay. I don't think it's I don't think

1:18:02

it's bad. It's just not as good as past events

1:18:05

like the Halloween event is always good and I

1:18:08

don't know what they're gonna do around the Sinnoh thing. I

1:18:11

guess we'll see if the global Sinnoh thing is good, but

1:18:13

like I Don't

1:18:17

know how we got to like All

1:18:20

of a sudden Pokemon go is dying during the Least

1:18:25

busy time of Pokemon go which is January like

1:18:27

if you look at the past year You're like

1:18:29

they did a lot But also again,

1:18:31

I just wonder how many people are just still

1:18:34

soured which understandable if you're soured about the remote

1:18:36

rate passes I'm not saying don't be soured about

1:18:38

it or don't like if raiding was your one

1:18:40

thing. Yeah, you probably wouldn't care about routes You

1:18:43

probably wouldn't care about Party

1:18:45

play because you're sitting at home

1:18:47

remoting into raids like a lot of these

1:18:49

features are Go out

1:18:51

and do that and if your

1:18:54

bread and butter for this game was crank

1:18:56

that slot machine dollar

1:18:59

for multrace dollar for

1:19:02

Metagross dollar for whatever other Pokemon were

1:19:04

in raids Tarakian and

1:19:07

they took that away from you and they

1:19:10

haven't changed it. They're they're

1:19:12

very hard on like I Mean

1:19:16

we've we've had the raid pass Conversation,

1:19:19

but I do think that there is something

1:19:21

to the fact that they took away the

1:19:23

main thing that people

1:19:25

did with online communities and

1:19:28

They haven't added anything else because they are

1:19:30

so focused on getting people to form in-person

1:19:33

communities Mm-hmm, and I still think

1:19:35

that there are things they could add that support

1:19:37

both Yeah I have Thrown

1:19:40

out the Oh power idea and I'm still pretty

1:19:42

stuck on it because that's something where you

1:19:44

could help your online community You could help

1:19:46

someone your friends with elsewhere in the world

1:19:49

But that would also get you outside

1:19:51

or get you in places

1:19:53

where there might be in-person community And I think

1:19:55

they need more features that are like that Because

1:19:58

they did have this game that built

1:20:01

up a whole ton of online communities over

1:20:03

the last few years. And

1:20:06

they're just not supporting that at all anymore. And

1:20:08

to what you're saying about the list, I

1:20:10

look at this list and I see a bunch of

1:20:13

features that were just broken. And

1:20:15

they're not necessarily as broken

1:20:17

anymore. But, but

1:20:20

I got real soured on them when

1:20:22

they launched. And they

1:20:24

were not fun because you couldn't do them

1:20:26

or they didn't work right. Or there was

1:20:29

no way to make a route

1:20:31

or there weren't any routes near me and

1:20:33

things like that. Along with the

1:20:35

fact that yes, it

1:20:37

is the slow season, but every single

1:20:39

event is coming with a ticket and that's

1:20:42

really uncomfortable. Yeah.

1:20:46

And I think that was just all of these

1:20:48

things. I like

1:20:51

the, you know, what's funny is, I

1:20:54

said like I would

1:20:56

pay $10 a month for

1:20:58

another incubator. Like

1:21:00

I think having two permanent incubators is like a

1:21:02

better play. And I don't know for those shiny baby

1:21:05

Pokemon. Yeah, yeah, I need the shiny baby. That's true.

1:21:07

I need to finish a shiny baby Pokemon. But

1:21:09

like I think of like, what would

1:21:11

a monthly subscription of Pokemon go be? And

1:21:13

I'm not 100% sure what that would

1:21:16

look like. Although it's kind of in

1:21:18

the game right now. Like Niantic,

1:21:22

like this is the second month Niantic has

1:21:24

done the like for $5 you get an

1:21:26

incubator every day for spending a pokestop, which

1:21:28

accomplishes what they want. Number one is incubators

1:21:30

are you have to go out and get

1:21:33

it. So you have to leave your house

1:21:35

unless you live on a pokestop and lucky

1:21:38

you and you have to

1:21:41

walk right? Like that's the whole point of incubators

1:21:43

is walking. So they're kind of they're still hitting

1:21:45

their quota of like, we want you to go

1:21:47

out and play. I think

1:21:50

getting one incubator a day even though

1:21:52

it's a one time use is better

1:21:54

than a permanent incubator.

1:21:56

Because like I'm

1:22:00

not walking a lot because it's cold

1:22:03

and also there's this game called Scarlet Violet which

1:22:05

just had new DLC which I've been playing a

1:22:07

lot of so I haven't had time for Pokemon

1:22:09

Go but now I

1:22:11

have at

1:22:14

the end of this month I will

1:22:16

have 61 time use incubators which is

1:22:18

kind of awesome for $10 and when

1:22:20

I go to Sinnoh

1:22:24

whatever. Sinnoh

1:22:28

Tour. I will have so many incubators

1:22:30

and I won't have to buy anything.

1:22:33

So like I guess

1:22:35

we'll probably circle back because we're running along but

1:22:42

I think they are ticketing a lot of stuff

1:22:45

and I think that's fine

1:22:47

because you don't have to buy it but

1:22:50

also I think what we said last week which

1:22:52

got cut is just do

1:22:54

a monthly pass. Just

1:22:58

like do $7.99 or $10

1:23:02

a month. Do this egg thing you're doing because I

1:23:04

think that's fine and maybe it's

1:23:06

working. I don't know how many people are buying the $5

1:23:08

thing. I was

1:23:10

gifted it last month from a friend. I bought it

1:23:12

this month for myself. I'm

1:23:15

probably gonna buy it again because I think it's because

1:23:18

you get like you get extra experience your first

1:23:20

catch of the day I think you get extra

1:23:22

stardust your first catch you get a bunch of

1:23:24

stuff you get pretty much everything you would ideally

1:23:26

get in like a monthly pass

1:23:29

but then it's like $2 here a dollar

1:23:32

here for community day

1:23:34

$2 here for this and it adds up. It

1:23:37

adds up to maybe what you would expect for

1:23:39

a monthly pass but when it's broken down into

1:23:42

that many different things when they're asking you to

1:23:44

pay over and over and over again

1:23:46

it's just uncomfortable it's

1:23:48

just making me feel gross about it. Just make

1:23:50

a monthly pass and then have those things separate

1:23:53

so if somebody's like oh I'm just gonna

1:23:55

buy the Rowlet community because that's all

1:23:58

I'm gonna play that's fine. Let

1:24:01

them spend their dollars. It's

1:24:04

just like really weird. There is something

1:24:06

that's like you open up Pokemon Go

1:24:08

and it's like five different things you can buy. And

1:24:12

if you haven't been in the game for a while, you're like what

1:24:15

are all these things for? Like what is

1:24:17

this five dollars for versus this two dollars

1:24:19

versus this one dollar versus just do

1:24:22

the World of Warcraft thing. Where like make a

1:24:25

monthly pass and then people buy it then they

1:24:27

forget about it and they're like I've been subbed

1:24:29

the World of Warcraft for three years. I don't

1:24:31

know what I'm, I'm not even playing it. Greg

1:24:36

knows at least ten of those people. Oh

1:24:38

yeah, 100% know them. When's

1:24:42

the last time you played World of Warcraft? Technically

1:24:45

I only play Final Fantasy XIV one

1:24:47

day a week and I'm paying a monthly

1:24:49

fee for it. Is it, what? One day a week

1:24:51

is important. 15 bucks for

1:24:54

Final Fantasy right? If

1:24:57

you do it monthly, if you do the discounts it's 12. Oh.

1:25:01

Inflation hasn't come to those games yet

1:25:04

eh? Have it, have an up those.

1:25:06

I mean they're fighting against free games

1:25:08

that don't have it and have microtransactions

1:25:10

so they're, they're walking that line of

1:25:12

they're one of the only MMOs

1:25:15

left that charge a monthly fee.

1:25:17

There are not many of them left.

1:25:19

Yeah. So they're like we,

1:25:22

we can't really go much, much

1:25:25

beyond what we've done because people

1:25:27

are still willing to pay this but we're, let's

1:25:29

like Final Fantasy XIV and World of Warcraft

1:25:31

for like the last two that

1:25:34

charge monthly fee and everything's gone through free games.

1:25:36

You think that's why Pogo hasn't done their, a

1:25:38

monthly fee there? Is

1:25:40

it just not working anymore? It's

1:25:43

not working anymore. It's not, people don't see it as

1:25:45

a viable solution. It's

1:25:49

for a lot of the reasons that a

1:25:51

lot of monthly subscription fees, people

1:25:55

are in the mindset of I

1:25:58

will forget about this and I'll get charged. for

1:26:00

something that I am not

1:26:02

using. Like that is much more in the

1:26:04

common ideas. Like the whole ad

1:26:06

campaigns about buy a product that will cancel

1:26:09

all of your unused subscriptions. Like that's a

1:26:11

part of the idea

1:26:14

of just where I think consumerism is right

1:26:17

now. So we're in a

1:26:19

weird moment of people

1:26:22

are haven't cut on to being

1:26:24

nickeled and nimed. Because that was the thing back

1:26:26

when I was growing up. Everything came with a

1:26:29

little extra charge. So you're being nickeled and

1:26:31

dined to death. And then it changed to we'll

1:26:33

just pay one monthly fee and you're on a

1:26:35

budget and it never changes. So you always could

1:26:37

prepare for that. And now we're sort of flipping

1:26:40

back to the other way of thinking of

1:26:42

well I'm wasting money if I don't use it.

1:26:44

So I only want to pay for it when

1:26:46

I need it. But

1:26:49

again we're going back to the okay so now Pokemon

1:26:51

Go has 17 tickets and you

1:26:53

feel like I'm being nickeled to dine to

1:26:55

death I'd rather pay just

1:26:57

for access for it. There's not a good

1:26:59

middle ground for any of it. I

1:27:04

mean it's also competing against other

1:27:06

video games where you pay for it once

1:27:09

and then you get stuff.

1:27:11

And you don't have to pay again

1:27:15

for a lot of things. Right like you pay

1:27:17

your 60 dollars and you have a game. And

1:27:21

then if they're going to add a DLC you might pay

1:27:23

more or sometimes you won't. There's so

1:27:25

many different ways

1:27:29

that people look at value that

1:27:31

I think it's incredibly difficult for them to find

1:27:34

a good way. And when you get

1:27:36

I was told this

1:27:38

is true is when you see the

1:27:40

money as the

1:27:43

main driver and not fun is

1:27:45

when you're getting quickly over that

1:27:47

game. Like when the

1:27:49

thing comes to why

1:27:51

am I paying money for this? You're

1:27:55

you're on the path out. You're on

1:27:57

the you're on the road to leave

1:27:59

that game. It is no longer offering

1:28:01

you value. And I think one of

1:28:03

the issues that Pokemon Go is having,

1:28:05

I think Hannah is correct, is I

1:28:08

don't know that they have a good

1:28:10

enough idea or big enough event to

1:28:13

turn that around for a lot of

1:28:15

people so that they are no longer

1:28:17

seeing the money. And I think the

1:28:19

raid change was

1:28:22

the biggest shot in people's arms

1:28:24

of, oh, this

1:28:27

is a money thing. I'm

1:28:32

paying now more for a thing

1:28:34

and it really brought the money

1:28:36

to the forefront and has set

1:28:38

this sort of expectation

1:28:40

of people scrutinizing what Pokemon

1:28:42

Go charges them. I

1:28:45

think that was a huge PR error

1:28:48

and one that they haven't recovered from

1:28:50

and one that they don't have a

1:28:53

good idea to eclipse yet. I

1:28:56

think the live in-person things, the

1:28:58

money that gets wrapped up in the cost

1:29:01

of travel. So when you're talking

1:29:03

about, I'm paying $200 for a hotel room, but

1:29:06

only $15 for the event, you

1:29:08

have that weird scale of, this

1:29:11

is a drop in the bucket to what I'm

1:29:13

doing. Whereas I don't wanna pay

1:29:15

$5 to go to the Mall of America for

1:29:17

an hour to do raids. Like,

1:29:19

I don't wanna pay for that. I

1:29:21

don't wanna, that's not a particularly fun thing

1:29:23

to pay $5 for. I

1:29:29

don't know how they fix it. I don't know if

1:29:31

they can fix it. I don't know what at

1:29:34

this point in that game

1:29:36

would be so revolutionary that

1:29:39

it would make people do a reset

1:29:42

in their expectations and what they feel about the

1:29:44

game. Yeah,

1:29:48

there's probably a feature that brings

1:29:50

people back. I don't know what that is. Maybe

1:29:52

like breeding or something. It's

1:29:54

not routes. Nothing around.

1:29:59

I think. Also,

1:30:02

their incredibly strict

1:30:05

focus on in-person

1:30:07

experiences alienates

1:30:10

a lot more of America than

1:30:12

they want to admit. It's

1:30:16

really hard for Americans who

1:30:18

were really, really, really spread

1:30:20

out to get

1:30:23

in-person events to feel super

1:30:25

magical without a lot of work.

1:30:27

And a lot of that work is done on the backs

1:30:29

of people for free. It's

1:30:33

different. Japan is a much different

1:30:36

size, shape, location

1:30:39

of a country. It's

1:30:41

not like we do a

1:30:43

podcast with a person that's on the other coast.

1:30:48

That is an American thing. People don't understand

1:30:50

how big America is. I had a person

1:30:52

who flew into Chicago. I was like, well,

1:30:54

come see me for the weekend. You don't

1:30:56

understand on the map.

1:30:59

Yeah, that's a nine-hour trip. I can't

1:31:01

just get to Chicago from where I

1:31:03

am. That's the size we're

1:31:05

dealing with in America that a lot of

1:31:07

other countries don't have as

1:31:09

part of their experience.

1:31:13

People watching people talk about, oh, I would

1:31:15

never travel an hour in England to go

1:31:17

from this town to this town. And people

1:31:19

in the south are like, I drive two

1:31:21

hours to work every day. What are you

1:31:24

talking about? It

1:31:26

is just a very

1:31:29

different thing. And

1:31:32

I don't know, given how extensive.

1:31:35

Can you touch on this throughout? Like, how

1:31:37

extensive Japan is for Pokémon Go? I

1:31:40

don't know that they honestly

1:31:42

have a lot of great ideas to

1:31:44

fix the America problem. And

1:31:46

I don't know that there's a lot of

1:31:48

value in them fixing the America problem. Yeah,

1:31:51

I said this last week. Sorry,

1:31:53

it was cut. I will say it again. Even

1:31:55

if America gave up on Pokémon Go, it would

1:31:59

be fine in Japan. Yeah,

1:32:01

it would be. It

1:32:04

just, it's like a whole, it feels like

1:32:06

a whole different game over there. It

1:32:10

really does. Like I watch a streamer who,

1:32:13

they are an hour outside of Tokyo.

1:32:16

And like Tokyo, very big city. And

1:32:20

they have to take an hour train ride

1:32:22

to get into Tokyo. And they do it

1:32:24

most days. But

1:32:27

like, if I was an hour away

1:32:29

from like Milwaukee or

1:32:31

Minneapolis, I would have nothing

1:32:33

around me. I would be, but

1:32:36

like their playing situation an hour

1:32:38

away is still better

1:32:40

than most American cities. They

1:32:42

just have, because there's a train station there and around the

1:32:44

train station is a bunch of restaurants and a bunch of

1:32:47

restaurants is a bunch of small

1:32:50

businesses. It's like the standard

1:32:52

Japanese experience, just not

1:32:54

in Tokyo, just, but it's still like, oh,

1:32:57

there's a lot to do out here still because

1:32:59

everything is so compact in Japan.

1:33:02

Their public transportation is amazing. Like

1:33:04

they, like, In

1:33:07

an hour outside of Minneapolis is nowhere

1:33:10

land. We're hitting farm

1:33:12

country. You go an

1:33:14

hour north and you are out

1:33:16

of city. You are out of summer. So

1:33:18

an hour south, I'm in Rochester

1:33:21

and there's like nothing there

1:33:23

either. It's just a bunch of cul-de-sac. It's not

1:33:25

if you're a doctor. Yeah, a bunch

1:33:27

of hospitals and cul-de-sac. That's all there is.

1:33:31

Sorry to anyone in Rochester. I

1:33:34

haven't been to Japan since Pokemon Go came

1:33:36

out. But Steve, you went

1:33:38

to the fossil museum with the

1:33:40

Pokemon exhibit there, right?

1:33:42

That was kind of in rural

1:33:45

Japan-ish or farther away? That was three

1:33:47

hours away from Tokyo. Yeah,

1:33:49

how was the Pokemon Go situation out there? If

1:33:52

you remember. It was good. Like,

1:33:55

not amazing, but like the museum itself was

1:33:57

like, I don't know, like a bigger part.

1:34:00

And there was I think still like

1:34:02

two gyms and probably five or six

1:34:04

polka stops so you like you could

1:34:06

play at the museum it was a

1:34:08

maybe a 15

1:34:10

20 minute walk from the museum to the Station

1:34:15

and that was like probably the most cars I

1:34:17

saw in Japan because there was like Three

1:34:20

hours away from Tokyo, right? Yeah, so

1:34:22

like they they had an actual rule

1:34:25

Yeah, they had like an actual parking lot which

1:34:27

you don't see a lot of in Japan of

1:34:29

like oh like this looks like an American parking

1:34:31

lot because people need to Drive

1:34:33

to this museum and park So

1:34:37

we were walking back there was not a lot

1:34:39

of polka stops because we were walking like behind

1:34:41

people's like little farms Like not big farms, but

1:34:44

like, you know, like half an

1:34:46

acre where they growing like beats and stuff So

1:34:49

there was maybe the 20 minute walk back There was maybe

1:34:51

only like one polka stop and then when we got back

1:34:53

to the train station There's

1:34:55

like another like gym and another like three

1:34:57

polka stops and then like every train station

1:35:00

Every station we like stopped at Jim

1:35:03

a couple polka stops, but

1:35:06

I mean that doesn't sound too far off of

1:35:08

what I see here in American cities It's just

1:35:10

that the cities in Japan are so packed

1:35:12

with Pokemon go. Mm-hmm I

1:35:15

think that's the main difference because there are

1:35:17

there are several parts of Japan I have

1:35:19

spent over a month maybe two or

1:35:21

three months in rural Japan But

1:35:23

they also have a better infrastructure

1:35:26

for travel they have train systems

1:35:28

like we just don't have We

1:35:31

just don't have Infrastructure

1:35:34

to support more passive

1:35:36

travel All

1:35:38

of our travel is really active here

1:35:41

Like you have to have a car

1:35:44

or you are dealing with a flight Because

1:35:46

we just don't have a train system

1:35:48

anymore. We sort of have a bus

1:35:50

system, but that's that's falling apart like

1:35:57

And we are here like Even

1:36:00

Japan has rural systems, it is

1:36:02

still shorter to get

1:36:04

to a city than if you are

1:36:06

at the border of Minnesota

1:36:08

and having to come all the way down

1:36:11

to Minneapolis, which is a four hour drive.

1:36:14

And there's no train, there's no nothing,

1:36:17

there's nothing in between. There are

1:36:19

tiny towns that probably don't even

1:36:21

have stops because why would

1:36:24

they? There's nobody who lives out there.

1:36:26

Plus, the way that we

1:36:28

run our telecom, where

1:36:30

there aren't people, there aren't

1:36:32

powers. So

1:36:34

in rural areas, they just don't have

1:36:37

the infrastructure to even play the game.

1:36:40

Like it is just a different, America

1:36:42

is just a capitalist problem

1:36:45

of both size and scale and willingness

1:36:47

to spend money. And

1:36:49

you know, this is the thing that I had to deal

1:36:52

with when I worked for AT&T, people would call us in

1:36:54

the middle of Montana and we're like, I don't know what

1:36:56

to tell you, you live in a town with three people,

1:36:58

we're not building a tower there. There's

1:37:00

no point. It's not going to happen.

1:37:03

You have to like get something else because

1:37:05

you're never going to get cell service out

1:37:08

there because nobody lives there and it costs

1:37:10

$3 million to build the

1:37:12

tower. Yeah, when

1:37:14

I went to a bachelor party, which was

1:37:17

past Duluth, like near Grand

1:37:19

Marais. Yeah. Way

1:37:21

up. You're going to have to the boundary waters

1:37:24

at that point. I

1:37:26

was there for four days. There was no focus stop.

1:37:29

There was one spawn. I think

1:37:31

this was before your like daily set spawn that

1:37:33

would pop up. And I

1:37:35

was like, if this was my living situation,

1:37:37

I would delete this

1:37:40

game. It wouldn't even be worth

1:37:42

like finding an online community to rate for. What

1:37:47

am I catching besides like opening a

1:37:49

game, spending a dollar and remoting in? I know

1:37:51

that is like a reality for some people that

1:37:54

they like Pokemon so much and they live

1:37:56

in the middle of nowhere and remoting was

1:37:58

their only way in. but like, I

1:38:02

couldn't do it. Like, I would just

1:38:04

delete it. The game is not for me. Like,

1:38:08

I've stopped playing Pikmin completely, not because I

1:38:10

hate Pikmin or Pikmin's dying or I got

1:38:12

bored with Pikmin. I stopped playing Pikmin because

1:38:15

I've just been busy with other games and

1:38:17

I can't go outside and walk. I

1:38:20

just can't do it. Like,

1:38:22

hopefully I will be able to pick Pikmin back

1:38:24

up when it gets nice out, but like, at

1:38:26

least, at

1:38:28

least there are things to do in Pokemon Go

1:38:31

at your house. Like, there's still

1:38:33

like maintenance, there's like evolving, there's like still

1:38:35

things you can do. In Pikmin, there's nothing

1:38:37

you can do at your house. You need

1:38:39

to like, leave and walk. There's

1:38:45

absolutely nothing in that game that you can really do from

1:38:47

home. I don't

1:38:49

know what 24 looks like for

1:38:51

Pokemon Go. They

1:38:53

usually release new features. I

1:38:56

don't know what they can release, but

1:38:59

hey, that's not our job, that's their job. They're supposed

1:39:01

to be the creative people.

1:39:05

I kind of hope they focus on fixing stuff.

1:39:09

And I mean, there was a

1:39:11

developer interview a month ago where

1:39:14

the person who was being interviewed said that in

1:39:16

2023, they had shipped a lot of

1:39:18

new features and that they also

1:39:21

hoped that maybe in the upcoming year, they

1:39:23

would focus a little more on continuing to improve

1:39:25

the things that they had shipped. We

1:39:30

just have to see if they're allowed

1:39:32

to do that. Yeah,

1:39:34

it's tough. I mean, when

1:39:37

you launch something new and

1:39:41

it doesn't work in an already

1:39:43

hostile environment, it's

1:39:46

so hard to come back from that because people

1:39:48

are like, you fix it and then you're gonna

1:39:50

have to rely on your people to be like,

1:39:52

no, no, it's fixed. It's much better now. But

1:39:56

is it? That is such an

1:39:58

uphill battle. situation gives

1:40:00

me hope just because they've done it

1:40:03

once. People

1:40:06

who play it now but do we know

1:40:08

a ton of people that like well they fixed

1:40:10

Megas so I'm back in. Like

1:40:15

that is a hard thing. I don't know. I

1:40:17

do think about again sitting at Mall

1:40:19

of America where was I? I

1:40:21

was there for whatever. What was the last spotlight hour?

1:40:23

Oh it was it was Castform. So

1:40:26

I came at the end of Castform because I wanted to miss

1:40:28

it because I wanted to hunt the

1:40:30

Hoot Hoot. And there was

1:40:32

a bunch of raids and I've said this

1:40:34

before I'll say this again and the raids at Mall

1:40:36

of America always fill up. It

1:40:39

doesn't matter what Pokemon it is. It will

1:40:41

probably get to 20 no problem. And

1:40:45

you know Raticade with hats, Gengar

1:40:47

with hats, Buzzwole whatever. And

1:40:50

just the thing that is not shocking

1:40:52

to me which I think a lot

1:40:54

of like online vocal people that

1:40:56

are like Pokemon Go was dying or whatever

1:40:58

or like the game is boring. Every

1:41:02

time I joined one of those raids and this

1:41:04

is frequently this is not specifically this past weekend

1:41:06

or the past month this is just frequently. The

1:41:09

amount of people that are like level 22, 27, 39

1:41:11

like no one is using Megas is just it's

1:41:17

not shocking anymore. It's the

1:41:20

reality of the player base. I

1:41:22

think there's this weird perception that everyone

1:41:24

is level 46 and everyone has optimal counters

1:41:28

and optimal commigas. Even

1:41:32

when I was in Seattle for Go Fest and I'm

1:41:34

joining raids and stuff, the amount of people

1:41:36

that like there's no reason not

1:41:39

to Mega. Mega literally anything.

1:41:41

You will just get more candy if you're

1:41:44

sitting here doing raids. These raids are filling up.

1:41:46

Just Mega salt. Everyone

1:41:49

has Beedrill. Just Mega's a Beedrill. You'll

1:41:52

get more candy. And it's

1:41:55

just it's not like it's shocking

1:41:57

to me that people think that

1:41:59

like. Everyone is like at endgame and

1:42:01

Pokemon go and we're all bored like

1:42:04

there's just so many people that are

1:42:06

like Playing this game

1:42:08

every day and they're like level 32. Yeah It's

1:42:12

the same people said it like

1:42:14

the amount of think pieces and

1:42:16

tweets about how Final

1:42:18

Fantasy 14 is dead. It's like no you're

1:42:20

just at endgame and there's nothing to do

1:42:22

I know a ton of people who

1:42:25

are still working through The

1:42:27

beginning levels and leveling up is just

1:42:29

because again You

1:42:33

just it's where you're

1:42:35

at and people have a real

1:42:37

difficult time of understanding that your

1:42:39

personal experience is not a universal

1:42:41

Experience it's not exactly what's going

1:42:43

on. There are other promise

1:42:45

you there are people who are playing the game Just

1:42:50

maybe not in the way that you want I

1:42:52

did I did check this weekend before the podcast

1:42:54

Pokemon go is the number eight most grossing app

1:42:56

in the iTunes app store of Of

1:43:02

2023 like they're doing fine money

1:43:05

wise like I know they're nickel and diming

1:43:07

us, but they're fine Then

1:43:12

they're making a lot of money they're okay We

1:43:18

might not all agree with how they're making money They

1:43:22

are making the money Speaking

1:43:26

of making money join our patreon. Anyways, that's

1:43:28

the end of the show. I

1:43:30

think One big announcement.

1:43:32

Oh finally coming magic herbs coming to unite. Oh,

1:43:35

I thought we talked finally announced it. I talk

1:43:37

about this No Cuz

1:43:40

I just announced it on the 31st. Oh, yeah.

1:43:42

Okay officially Magic

1:43:44

arb is officially coming It

1:43:47

is That's

1:43:50

gonna bring people back to that game So

1:43:53

way you evolve is unlike anything

1:43:55

any other one in

1:43:58

there and yes, it is possible to never

1:44:00

evolve Magikarp the entire

1:44:02

game. If you don't want to just

1:44:05

be prepared for trolls, keep

1:44:08

it a magic. I've already saw somebody

1:44:10

snipe Rayquaza with a Magikarp. I've

1:44:13

already seen these things happen. It's

1:44:16

wild. This Pokemon is going to be weird.

1:44:19

I want to get back into Unite, too. I

1:44:21

think it's so good. They just

1:44:24

did another balance patch. We're all

1:44:26

happy. Unless you play Zacian or

1:44:28

Dodrio, then you're not happy at all. All

1:44:33

right, well, we'll be back next week. Big 600 episode

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