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Oh Max, you

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know what we're gonna start right off.

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Let me introduce right from the get go, just

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one of my favorite dudes I just met

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today. His name is Mike Geiger. He

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is the guy that owns all the Moe's

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Southwest Grilled.

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Uh in Pittsburgh and in Eerie.

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And he's up here.

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He is dispersing some beautiful

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uh Barrito's burritas.

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Whatever.

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What do what?

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They call him? Mike?

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What do we got?

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Well, I gotta I can't do anything without starting

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with welcome to Moons.

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Say you gotta say welcome to mos

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That's that's the move.

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Whoa, that was sensation. I told totally

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with one that one, and I know better. I've been

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there enough times.

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And by the way, I will tell you, Max, because

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you haven't met Mike yet, I was

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a little suspicious on how good it could be because

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the guy is skinny. I mean, you know, yeah, you don't

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think somebody from Mo Southwest. Grill

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is gonna be a lightweight, but he

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is a lightweight. But wow, now that he's a heavyweight

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and good food, let me tell.

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You great stuff.

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And Max, I do have to share

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that everyone's having a little fun at your benefit.

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That they're missing, that you missed all that the

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display we had. We we launched a

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new protein a shredded beef Beeria beer.

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Oh did you hear the little tongue roll?

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Yeah, yeah, I gotta roll the rst

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roll the rs.

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It's delicious.

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We just started so so everyone's enjoying

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it.

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And uh, you got a special

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today.

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Yeah, we're all enjoying it.

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Max, it's so

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since it's it's it's so great, it's so special.

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It's brand new.

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We've got in all of our locations in Pittsburgh and Erie.

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We decided let's have some fun. It's February first, it's

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kind of gray and doll outside. It's be interesting. Every

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person in Pittsburgh and Erie free

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entree today at most no charge.

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If you order our new Beria, we want

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you to taste it. We want you to try it. Free Beeria

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entree per person all day, February

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first in Pittsburgh.

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Man that's sensational. Max.

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How many beery is do you think you could scarf

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down?

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Well?

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Listen, as a as a guy that lives in Arizona,

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I can appreciate a good beer beeria cock.

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Beera.

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It's extra tasty,

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I imagine. So I imagine so guys

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as I as I ate my Tasmanian cherries.

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Okay, no,

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I mean, I mean it's awesome. Are you now

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here's a question are you doing? Are you dipping

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the tacos as well like traditional like beerria

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style, or or do you get you can put

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it in anything. The beef is the beria with the

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sauce and you can wrap it up.

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That's correct. So it's slow

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roasted, it's in a great broth.

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Wow.

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But the other thing that we're doing, we've

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got these awesome red hard taco shells

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we bought for the month of February. I wanted to kind

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of say, you know, a loving thing, but we're rolling

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those in our hard rock sauce. So it's like six

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different peppers. It's blazing hot.

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Wow.

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So you throw the beria in a blazing

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hot crunchy shell and.

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Wow, sweating. You'll be sweating

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there, no doubt. But it is delicious.

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I'm truly jealous. I'm truly jealous.

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Absolutely, I'm gonna you'll only get jealous,

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well except for when Calli and Pizza

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comes in and right right Mose comes in

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and I don't even get to try it.

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So okay, welcome to.

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Welcome to mos Absolutely,

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Mike, thank you for stopping him. Thank

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you so much.

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Appreciate you, gentlemen.

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Thanks for having me Pittsburgh. Looking

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forward to seeing you today.

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Absolutely again, one more time, all day,

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what.

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All day, Pittsburgh and Eerie twelve locations,

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most Southwest, Griol Free

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Beria Entree.

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And you gotta stay it with a tongue roll right, you gotta

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try it. Got to roll the arts. Thank you

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so much, Mike guy, You're week. Thank you one

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of my favorite human beings. Thank you, Thank

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you brother. We enjoyed that so much. Oh

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what a joy that is. You don't know breakfast

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until you come up and in beeria

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out beat it the out right.

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I mean, that is just the way to do it. That's the way

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to start it off.

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Yes, yeah, you.

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Know, you know, Max, for all the wonderful

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weather you got,

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you got a little bit later on today,

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Max, Max six.

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You'll be You'll be proud of me.

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Max.

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When Mike was was making us our tacos

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earlier, he was like, Hey, we got this

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this six pepper hot pepper shell

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taco.

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You want to try it?

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And I said, Mike partner if it was

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dinner time, Heck, yeah, but it's ten o'clock

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in the morning.

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I gotta be careful.

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Exactly, well, exactly, we know

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nobody, nobody wants some money situation going

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on.

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Yeah, exactly, and we'll just leave it at that.

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Okay, now speak thinking of

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you know, kind of like situations.

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There was one that occurred the other night in the AFC

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Championship game which I thought was funny. We never quite

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got around to talking about it, but it had to do

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with Justin Tucker warming up in

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pregame in the chi Kansas

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City Chiefs end of the end zone.

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And it was just something where Travis Kelcey talked

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about Justin Tucker poking the

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bear. You know, Max, come

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along, Pat Mahomes is warming

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up down around the goal line and there's there's

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any is It's kind

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of like, you know, kickers have access to both

5:33

ends of the field, right because you

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need weather conditions. You got to be able to kick. But

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the way you got to stay away.

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From the other players.

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So if Mahomes is there already and

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warming up, you can't come along and

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try to.

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Pervade his space, even vice

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versa.

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I mean, as Pat Mahomes said in

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postgame, he said, look at you know, I've

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been doing this for seven years and the only times

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that I've had any problem at all with some

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kicker was three times in Balltimore,

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which tells you about it. So I thought it

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was kind of funny when Travis came over

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and kind of kicked the t and kicked.

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His helmet out of the way and everything.

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Yes, oh my god, that was funny.

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I'm not gonna lie. And you know, here's my thing.

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You should know better.

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Justin Tucker right, you're

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going into you're going into the kansasity time.

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This is their dedicated.

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Time to warm up and

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and you're purposely putting stuff

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in. You're stretching like you should have stretched

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on the on your end. By the time you come down

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there, you should be just kicking the ball. It's

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not a oh let me limber up here, let

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me do some calisthenics. You know,

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Patrick Mahomes is trying to is trying to get his reads

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and his timing down on his throws. He's also

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got TK down there or

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tks Travis Kelsey Swift

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down.

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There, a little

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shot, a little shot there.

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Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean, but I mean, it's

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how are we gonna word this? I mean, because we've already

6:56

got you know, well, one body was like.

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Oh so is this super Balls fifty

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eight? So

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huh gotta give a shout

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out to my got Keith Reese.

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Nice?

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Yeah, yeah, but.

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But yeah, I mean, I mean, where are we at with you

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know that there's a sanctity to it,

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you know, long gone in the days of Joey

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Porter, where you can stalk the forty nine point

7:21

nine to nine yard line right and yell at

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people. Yeah, and you can be nose to nose. I

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mean, kickers kind of get that Switzerland

7:27

type of immunity because they had the kick

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on both ends. But at the same

7:31

time, you can't interfere with

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the other team. Now, you might get

7:36

some younger dudes that you know might

7:38

count out of that. You know, you might you might be able

7:40

to punk a to a tongue of iy loo or you

7:42

know, some younger guys in this league.

7:44

But Pat Mahomes ain't having it, and

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this.

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Playoff time and Travis Kelsey

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darnshore ain't having it. I mean, as

7:52

evidence by the fact that he took his helmet, through

7:54

his helmet and the balls and

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listen, if there was anything, if his shoes were off, he probably

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would have thrown those two.

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You know what I'm saying.

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I think, of all the people

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to sit down as an intimidator, I'm.

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Not thinking about my kicker being the intimidator.

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No, No, I got it.

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I got a big old tight end that can walk over.

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And I noticed that nobody

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came to justin Tucker's defense.

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Yeah, because they were all there in like they're supposed

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to.

8:20

Yeah, exactly.

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You know what I mean, Come on, you got a kicker, You're gonna

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play it himself right in the middle of where

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the most famous quarterback in the NFL

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right now is warming up

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and think, well.

8:31

You're gonna get away with that, you know.

8:33

I mean, remember when do you remember

8:35

did you play against Were you in the era of Vontees

8:38

Perfect?

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Yeah? I was, I was young Bontes Perfect.

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Okay, all right, yeah, okay,

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yes, do you remember

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the one game when he

8:51

was when he ran through

8:54

the warm up of the Steelers.

8:56

Do you remember that it was in Cincinnati?

8:59

I believe it was.

9:00

Yeah, what what wasn't during during

9:03

my time? Yes, I do remember watching

9:05

and seeing that. That was right after I left.

9:07

Okay, all right, that's I couldn't remember.

9:10

That's the one problem of getting old like this, You're not

9:12

sure where you know, generations

9:15

and and decades.

9:16

And dis and where.

9:20

Ye.

9:20

Yeah, pretty soon we're the North.

9:22

We're not the Central right. Yeah, there it is,

9:24

Okay, got it. We're We're on par At

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some.

9:27

Point in time, I'm going to be talking about playing

9:29

in the a f C nor the a f C North

9:32

instead of the Central Right.

9:34

Yeah, exactly, No, man,

9:37

we got we got the Houston Oilers coming up

9:39

this week. Wait a second, hold on, whoa

9:41

whoa time out out.

9:44

I know you saw some I know you saw some throwback jerseys.

9:46

Those are in Tennessee A and b

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uh they're called the Texas.

9:52

Division rival you know exactly.

9:56

I mean you think about it, Joey Porter, I

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mean the two of him and and will you

10:00

know going at it.

10:02

Oh yeah, I was definitely

10:04

there for that one.

10:05

Right.

10:05

That was wild. That was wild. That was my

10:08

That was my second year in the league.

10:10

Yeah, oh yeah, I remember

10:12

that one vividly.

10:13

Do you remember watching was

10:15

getting heated?

10:17

Yeah?

10:17

Out because because because I was laying down

10:19

doing doing toe touches runners,

10:22

the runner stretch right, and you're

10:25

just looking forward and you know pas

10:27

doesn't stretch. You know, Pizzy is already stretched.

10:29

So the only thing that the only thing that he's done

10:31

is he's greased up his abs, you know, tropic

10:34

style as a jersey rolled up,

10:36

so you can count every single one of.

10:37

His six pack. And

10:40

he's just walking up and down the line,

10:43

just.

10:43

Barking at everybody, and

10:45

you're just like, all right, well, there it is. There's the intimidation,

10:48

the Lawrence Taylor style type of intimidation.

10:50

You're talking about wolf right right, you go up and

10:52

down that That was Peasy's job. It was like a pit

10:54

bull off the leash. But he had that invisible fence.

10:57

He wasn't allowed to cross the fifty so

11:00

he's just stalking. Will you wouldn't have it? He walked

11:02

up now there nose to nose and

11:04

I'm like, listen, this

11:07

isn't imaginary line, this is not a real line.

11:10

And will you found out that it wasn't

11:13

there's no force field up there that protect

11:15

him.

11:15

From fifty.

11:18

William Green found out there was no dog

11:21

fence there.

11:22

Yeah, exactly, exactly exactly. His

11:25

head never went across, but his fist definitely did.

11:31

That count.

11:32

Is a penalty is that he never

11:34

stepped over the fifty but came

11:37

over the.

11:38

Crown of his helmet, never broke the

11:40

fifty yard. Where

11:42

do we count here?

11:44

I like that, that's great. The fist definitely

11:47

went over there.

11:49

Yeah, exactly, doesn't

11:52

count. Doesn't count. The football wasn't

11:54

there?

11:58

Oh my oh

11:59

I And then you got the Vontez

12:02

perfect thing. I can't remember anything

12:04

like that going on in uh, but

12:06

I do remember, you know, was

12:09

it? Dwight White was talking about how in

12:12

the first Super Bowl against the Vikings

12:14

that they played in and that they were lined

12:16

up side by side in the tunnel and

12:18

he said, he said, the smack

12:20

talking that went on, he said, we

12:22

knew we had him beat. He had him beat right there,

12:25

just knew that the Vikings were. It was really

12:27

funny the way he you can't

12:29

you can't do it justice without mad

12:31

Dog telling it because he was just too funny

12:34

telling it. But he had a former

12:36

college teammate and the other on

12:39

the Vikings and the guy wouldn't talk

12:41

to him and stuff like that. And

12:42

I think it was either him, was it mel

12:44

Blonde or no, no, no.

12:46

J T Thomas That's who it was, JT.

12:49

And it was really funny listen to him describe

12:52

how there was this go back and forth

12:54

and back and forth pregame and JT

12:56

said, when when we were in the tunnel, we knew

12:59

we had the game won, That's what he said.

13:02

Yeah, I mean, listen, there

13:05

are no friendships when

13:07

it comes to winning championships.

13:10

Like we can be friends before,

13:12

we could be friends after. We are not going. I

13:15

don't know you.

13:16

You were, as Mike Tomains say, your name was great

13:18

face until the clock hit zero in the fourth quarter.

13:21

Right, absolutely, And

13:23

I.

13:24

Don't care who I have to step

13:26

on in the process. I mean I played a lot of former

13:28

teammates and friends. Listen, after the game,

13:31

we can get all the photos together we want,

13:34

right, you know, now

13:36

it's a jersey exchange. But I'm like,

13:38

you know, it used to be, Hey, we could take a photo, you

13:41

know, go find fabous fables will

13:43

come to snap a shot, put it in your locker.

13:46

Yeah, guy. I missed, Mike,

13:49

I miss f absolutely all right.

13:51

You know what, We're gonna go to break early though, Max,

13:53

because we got the great,

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the legend Donnie Shell coming

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up in ten twenty. You don't want to miss,

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folks, Donnie Shell, the human torpedo

14:03

coming at you from the locker room, Wolf Starks

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and the Ninjas coming up.

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This.

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This is in the locker room with

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You know, I love this segment when we bring

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some of our buddies in that we played

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with our teammates section. You know, he played

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fourteen seasons, two hundred and one games,

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fifty one career interceptions,

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five times a Pro bowler three

14:42

times, excuse me, three times First

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Team All Pro Class of twenty

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twenty, Hall of Fame, and

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still the NFL strong safety

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career interception leader with fifty

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one. That's Hall of Famer and Steelers Hall

14:56

of Honor member Donnie Shell.

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Donnie, welcome, brother, It's great to

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have you.

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Hey, whoopee, how you doing? Man? Good to hear you,

15:03

boy boy.

15:06

Exactly. So you're on.

15:07

You've got Max and uh he's in Phoenix

15:10

right now. So he's coming in also

15:12

into the locker room here, so he's a long distance,

15:14

but I know he wants to say, Hi, what's.

15:18

Up, Donnie?

15:18

How are we doing?

15:20

Doing? Great? Man? How you doing?

15:21

Man?

15:23

I'm blessed. I can't complain, sir. Always

15:25

good to talk to you.

15:27

There you go, there you go. I like y'all

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sponsored to here's

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my truck.

15:32

Oh, there you go, man, we're just doing

15:34

we go. Yeah, that's

15:36

a great truck too.

15:38

All right. So, Donnie,

15:40

I got to.

15:40

Ask you when the Steelers were going through their

15:42

plague on the safeties, we lose like

15:44

three or four safeties.

15:46

Did the Steelers call you now?

15:47

I know you know you're like seventy seventy

15:50

one somewhere, but still you could buckle

15:52

it up short term, right, buddy?

15:55

I can go just on third downs? Whoop.

16:02

Oh that's great, that's great.

16:05

You know the thing about it is, Donnie, I said,

16:07

here and go, you're still the strong

16:09

safety career interception leader

16:12

with fifty one. You come from an era.

16:14

We come from an era when the quarterbacks

16:16

were only putting the ball in the air fifteen

16:19

to twenty times a game, and yet here

16:21

you are still with that interception

16:23

record. I remember, was it Cleveland eighty one when

16:25

you had three in one game?

16:26

Get zooks man.

16:29

Yeah, yeah, that was a great game. Very

16:31

minimal game for me. I just try

16:33

to catch the one that come to you. Man. If

16:35

you do, you lead the lead.

16:39

Oh my gosh, go ahead,

16:42

bet Donnie.

16:43

You know, I mean when you

16:46

kind of assess it, and you've had a

16:48

fourteen year career, and you know,

16:50

when you look at kind of how

16:52

a team evolves

16:55

and changes from year to year, you

16:58

know, you look at what the Steelers are doing there, They're going to

17:00

a change, especially offensively with

17:04

not only coaching, but you know there will be the inevitable,

17:07

you know, personnel changes that happen every

17:09

that plague every team.

17:10

Now with the free agency. Uh, just

17:13

how how is it as.

17:14

A leader on a team,

17:16

how is it to rally the troops and

17:18

get up for the next season, especially

17:21

when you know the season ends so abruptly

17:24

for a team trying to make that push.

17:27

Yeah, you gotta have this. Just have

17:29

a resolve, man. You know I

17:31

used to when I was in high school. When

17:34

we lost the game, I used to cry, but

17:37

I promised the Lord, I won't cry anymore because

17:39

I'm I'm gonna give you one on every

17:42

play, every practice, every player. And

17:44

then that changed my attitude. So,

17:47

uh, you got to have some resolves. You know, sometime

17:50

when you have goals and aspirations, they don't

17:52

come to and then you just got to

17:55

figure out why. First, you got to know why

17:57

and what you need to do to correct yourself

17:59

doing the off season and go back to work.

18:01

Man, Donnie.

18:03

One of the things that is so significant in your career

18:05

was the fact that you were part of the probably one

18:07

of the greatest legendary classes of draftees

18:10

and sinees. You got four

18:12

Hall of Fame members from

18:15

from one class as far as drafted, but you

18:17

were the fifth. And finally, we're so grateful

18:20

that in twenty twenty you became a member of that Hall

18:22

of Fame. Baby, But the fact is you

18:25

got five Hall of Famers.

18:26

From one year.

18:28

I can't even begin to understand

18:30

how how the Steers were able to pull that draft

18:32

off.

18:34

It was a special draft, like

18:39

like John winning John Stars winning the fourth round,

18:41

and I was I was on drafted three

18:43

agents. I mean, I think

18:45

they hit Bill Nono's and everybody

18:48

was there did a great job of looking for talent,

18:51

and you know, you never know who's

18:53

going to bequere what food

18:55

did they come from. It really didn't matter

18:57

that Chuck, know, he just want to know that you

19:00

get one hundred and you can't

19:02

make a whole lot of mistakes.

19:06

He did not tolerate that very well.

19:08

Diddy, No, that was

19:11

throwing in his side.

19:16

You know, Donnie, you know, I mean looking

19:19

back on your career and like like

19:21

Wolfe said, I mean having all of these Hall

19:23

of famers, but you know, obviously you don't

19:25

realize that that's more of a post career

19:27

type of honor. I mean, how

19:30

was it in practice?

19:32

How was it, especially on the defensive

19:34

side of the ball. I mean the competition, the communication.

19:36

Like you said, Chuck Nold didn't tolerate mistakes, but

19:39

I felt like there was also a level of player

19:41

accountability on those sides of the

19:44

balls. When you talk to those guys, you know, talk

19:46

talking to a Dwight White and

19:49

talking to an ELC.

19:50

Greenwood and Mel Blunt.

19:52

Like, how was that player accountability

19:55

and how did you guys hold yourselves to

19:57

a standard even more so than what Chuck No could hold

19:59

you too.

20:01

Yeah, I think it come down to the players. You

20:03

know, the closest half of his philosophy, but I think

20:06

the players has to carry it out. And

20:09

our practice it was so intense and

20:11

competitive that we didn't have a

20:13

problem with games because

20:15

if I could cover Johnpstawers,

20:17

Mints One, Benny Countingham,

20:20

and Let Brown at tight end in frint practice,

20:24

I thought I could cover anybody in the National Football

20:26

League, and I didn't want people catching any

20:29

passes on me, and they

20:31

didn't want us to stop them. So it

20:33

got kind of competitive very

20:35

much.

20:36

So now let me ask you this. Let's put you in today's

20:38

shoes. You're sitting there. You got to cover

20:40

Travis Kelcey. All right, he's got

20:42

what eleven year guy, he's got twenty

20:45

three catches in two hundred and sixty two yards,

20:47

three tds in three postseason

20:49

games this year. Donnie, you're out

20:51

there, strong shade. How do you cover him?

20:54

I would not cover him from my off coverage.

20:56

I would always bump and run him, and

20:59

that's restricts the quarterback timing

21:02

and build a lot of things to him and coming

21:04

off the Loune scrimmage. You just can't

21:06

sit back there and I'm gonna play off.

21:08

That's the worst thing you can do is to play

21:11

off of a very talented tight end

21:13

like that. You got to get in disrupt them,

21:15

disrupt the time into the quarterback and make

21:17

them go somewhere else.

21:21

No, absolutely, And

21:23

I think Donnie, you know, the rules that have changed

21:25

a little bit, you know, I think the

21:27

tight end has become that weapon because they change

21:30

that five yard you know, kind

21:32

of halo rule where after five yards

21:35

you can't redirect them. How tough is

21:37

that for a safety, especially if

21:39

you're filling in the box off of play

21:41

action or something and you don't have the five yards, I

21:43

can't touch that. I mean, how tough is

21:45

that from a safety perspective,

21:48

especially when you have some of those lake fields or

21:50

you're dropping down, you know, to be in

21:52

that curl flat area so that.

21:54

Those guys don't have that safety blanket.

21:58

Well, it's definitely tougher tough

22:00

of coverage. Then then when I first came in

22:02

the league, and as a matter

22:04

of fact, well that's that's

22:07

the mail Blunt rule. Mail Blunt

22:09

tain't that rule and play thousand

22:11

and Super Bowl in seventy six. But anyway,

22:14

but there's a lot tougher coverage, but

22:16

you got to adapt with the time. If that's what

22:18

the coverage called for, then you got to do the best

22:20

you can to get your hands on and disrupt

22:23

them and let him go after the five so

22:26

you know you can't touch him after that. So

22:28

you just got to play within the rules.

22:31

And sometimes you tug on the jersey

22:33

a little bit.

22:34

And there's

22:37

a true master right there given

22:39

a description of it. Donnie.

22:41

I got to ask you one last thing because I know, I know you're

22:43

on a timeline. We're gonna let you go. I promised

22:45

you i'd get you out of here by ten thirty. But I

22:48

got to ask you, how did you make the transition

22:51

from a linebacker in South

22:53

Carolina State to safety for the Steelers.

22:55

It seems like two different worlds.

22:59

Yeah, Coach Wild Jefferishon came in

23:01

my senior year at Chalcrolne State with

23:03

the head coach and he brought

23:06

I forget what the coach's name was, but

23:10

he put in the four to three defense well,

23:13

and then my and my coach, I

23:15

forget his name right now, he

23:18

played with the Cincinnati Bengals, and

23:20

he brought in the four to three pro type defense

23:23

and all the coverages uh

23:25

uh. We put in the ran from

23:27

the four to three uh some of the Cincinnati

23:29

old coverages and stuff. So

23:32

so it made it pretty easy for me because I think I

23:34

played basketball and baseball

23:37

and football and ran track in high school.

23:39

So it related Manda Man

23:41

courring guys and lady kind of like Man the man

23:43

in basketball for me. So I

23:46

just translated that's why I think you need to play

23:48

a lot of different sports uh

23:50

today because it helped me make

23:52

that transition to safety.

23:54

That's excellent. And brother, I promised

23:57

you out at ten three. I'm getting you out at ten

23:59

thirty.

23:59

But I love you.

24:00

I thank you for all you've been in my life. You've

24:03

poured helped to pour life into

24:05

me as a young rookie. I remember and I thank

24:07

you always for the time spent with you. It's

24:09

always been a pleasure. Thank you, my brother.

24:12

Yeah, thank thank you. Will love you too, Man,

24:14

love you, love you, Max. You guys have a great show.

24:17

Continue the good work.

24:18

Thank you so much. Appreciate and

24:21

that is one of the all time

24:23

greats.

24:23

Man oh Man I get I still get tingles

24:25

because well, if you had been on the receiving end of a Donny

24:27

Shell hit like I have, you still

24:29

get tingles when you will know that

24:32

one up at training camp when I was leading

24:35

on a sweep but he came up and he t boned

24:37

me and launched me to the one hop

24:39

to the feet of Chuck Nole. I

24:42

remember Chuck looking down at me and he goes, it's

24:44

not very impressive, young man. And all I could

24:46

think of in between the stars, I was saying after

24:48

Donnie laid me out, I was thinking, you didn't

24:51

see the hit, boy?

24:51

That was I thought it was impressive.

24:53

Yeah, exactly, Yeah,

24:56

trust me, trust me, Coachy. I know from

24:58

this end where you're at. But listen, living

25:01

through that car wreck, you.

25:02

Know it was Uh, it

25:05

was more than enough. It's more than enough. We're good. We're

25:07

good here. Nothing to see here, next play?

25:09

Oh man?

25:10

I mean think about this, fifty

25:12

one interceptions

25:14

in a day and age the

25:17

quarterbacks were only throwing twenty times

25:19

a game.

25:20

Man. Yeah,

25:22

I mean, it's it's really impressive.

25:24

I mean, I mean, could you imagine

25:26

in today's NFL how many interceptions Donny.

25:29

Show would happen.

25:29

Oh man, unbelievable.

25:31

Yeah, you know, and in the hidden we would have

25:33

an exorbian amount.

25:35

Could you imagine Donnie's show and

25:39

and Troy Paula Molo in the same defensive

25:42

secondary Oh.

25:42

Wow, Nope, can't even do that because

25:45

because once again, you never

25:47

see a ball in the air in the middle of the field.

25:50

It was you know, it would I guess, I guess

25:52

I could make this comment now our we statute

25:55

of limitation?

25:55

Is it over with Wes?

25:58

We got yeah?

26:00

Or West says it's fine.

26:02

Okay, all right, that's

26:04

good, all right.

26:07

Yeah, it looked like a Matt Canada offense. Every

26:09

week. They wouldn't

26:11

throw to the middle of the field. Boom,

26:15

I did it, I did?

26:19

I did?

26:23

Yes, yes, But you know you

26:25

think about that in one draft class

26:27

you got Swan Stalwart, Jack

26:29

Lambert, Mike

26:31

Webster and Donnie Shall. I

26:34

mean, that's just unbelievable

26:36

that that type of grouping

26:38

of Hall of famers to be.

26:42

Well, and Donnie was an undrafted free agent.

26:44

Think about that gold mine? Fine,

26:46

yes, right, yes, I mean that

26:48

that that that just puts

26:50

the icing on the cake. It's like the fact

26:52

that all of you had multiple opportunities

26:55

in the league to take this guy, and

26:57

you did it and

27:00

we were able to swoop in sign him

27:02

and boom, he's got a bronze bust

27:05

and canton and he'll live on forever. Oh

27:07

man, who on you other twenty

27:09

seven NFL teams? He was back in twenty eight teams?

27:11

Right, yeah, yeah,

27:14

yeah.

27:14

It was to make sure, yeah,

27:16

I want to make sure my historical math was correct.

27:19

Uh but

27:21

uh but yeah, I mean it's just it's phenomenal

27:24

to think about that and then

27:26

just hit his and

27:28

also his faith, right, I mean,

27:31

such a man, godly

27:34

believer in God, and

27:36

he brings that everywhere.

27:38

You know.

27:38

I had the pleasure I've

27:40

done some events with Donnie.

27:42

We went to.

27:43

Mexico, did a football camp down

27:45

there, and just getting

27:47

to spend time with him because normally,

27:49

you know, when when the when the Steelers

27:52

legends would come back and they

27:54

talked to us when we're back when we were rookies, it was a roundtable

27:57

type discussion open for them,

27:59

and then you wouldn't really have any other

28:01

time, you know, with them afterwards. But you

28:04

know, when you're you're going

28:06

to these events, you're riding in the van together,

28:08

you know, I was blessed. I had Rocky and

28:11

Donnie with me and just

28:14

tell the stories on the bus rides and

28:16

then sitting at breakfast at dinner, you

28:19

know, and just just laughing and telling

28:21

stories.

28:22

And you know, we had Bud Dupree and Terrell

28:24

Evans also with us.

28:26

So just those guys just looking wide eyed, right,

28:28

you know, listening to these to

28:30

these legends and Super Bowl champs and

28:33

Hall of Famer, you know, tell these

28:35

stories. It's

28:37

a very unique situation in Pittsburgh

28:39

that you have that many people to draw

28:42

from that can pour life into

28:44

you, that can share their experiences.

28:47

You could have those personal conversations

28:49

because more off or not, they've been through

28:51

them. They understand that perspective,

28:54

and there's still a teammate to this day. I think that that's

28:56

what that's what's really special really separates

28:59

the Stealers from a lot of other organizations

29:01

in all of professional sports, not just football,

29:04

but all of professional sports, and why they are

29:06

held to a gold standard for

29:08

a lot of teams. And that's why you see, you know,

29:10

so many branches from the Steelers

29:13

tree right where you're talking about going and

29:15

becoming parts of other organizations. You

29:17

know, former minority owners becoming you

29:20

know, majority owners in other.

29:21

Places is because of the foundational.

29:25

You know, cornerstones that they have within this organization

29:27

that it's more than just the

29:29

team of now, it's you lid yourself

29:32

from the history of those teams and you let

29:34

the stories of the past, you know, breathe

29:37

life into the future as well.

29:39

You know, the thing about Donnie I remember

29:41

so distinctly. You know, you talk about a godly

29:43

man. He follows hard after Jesus, as do I.

29:46

And I remember when my dad

29:48

passed away in training

29:51

camp my third year in the league.

29:53

And I remember Donnie

29:56

saying to me when I came back, because it was during

29:58

training camp, and I immediately went up and

30:00

then turned right around and came back after and

30:03

came back to camp, and I remember dying. The first thing he did

30:05

was He's like, well, if he said, come on over here,

30:07

let me pray for it, he just pray for and just

30:10

you know, when you talk about accountability

30:13

to teammates, sometimes sometimes you got

30:15

to get a little money in your teammate's life because

30:17

there's there's life issues that are going on

30:19

behind the scenes. You know, That's what I'm

30:21

talking about when you got leadership, like

30:24

you call them the locker room melders, you

30:26

know that come along and speak into your life, that

30:28

sit down with you and tell

30:31

you or share with you their experiences

30:34

that really pull you

30:36

in, you know what I mean, and really kind

30:38

of give you something to hang

30:41

on to.

30:42

You know, is you know, losing my

30:44

dad at that age as a young guy. You know what I'm talking

30:46

about.

30:47

It's hard the

30:49

you know, the suddenly to become the

30:52

man in the family and got to watch

30:54

over your siblings and your mom,

30:57

you know, take care of that. It's it's

30:59

it's something that I will quite ready for. But you

31:01

know, I had enough of the locker room elders

31:03

around me that could speak into my life and

31:05

I could ask questions and they would share, and

31:07

there was it's just a way of you

31:10

know, culture of cultivating

31:13

that that culture in the locker room

31:15

that is, you know, caring about your teammates.

31:19

No, absolutely Wolf And I think you

31:22

know, one of the biggest things when you're talking about successful

31:24

locker rooms or successful teams,

31:27

you know, having

31:29

those elders veterans

31:33

in that room and

31:35

those guys being able to ingratiate

31:37

themselves with the younger guys right, and

31:41

that relatability and like you said,

31:43

you know, helping establish and bridging

31:46

the gap between the

31:49

young guy and the older guy, and

31:52

knowing that you're not in this alone, like you

31:54

know, we are here.

31:56

As you know, to a to a lesser degree,

31:58

like a hive mind.

32:00

You know, we've all been through different

32:03

things. You're you know, the whole thing. You're

32:05

not unique in your life

32:07

experiences. You know, they're unique

32:09

to you because you're going through them at this time,

32:12

but that doesn't mean that nobody else has gone through those

32:14

in their in their lifetime or gone

32:16

through similar circumstances, or

32:19

those shared experiences being able to

32:21

be relayed almost like you

32:23

know, tribal stories around the around

32:26

the fire.

32:27

You know, like not

32:29

everything's written.

32:30

Some things is an oral history and an

32:32

oral experience where you can share

32:35

and impart that knowledge. You know, it's

32:37

a special thing, and successful organizations

32:40

have that pipeline. They have that consistency

32:42

and like you said, bringing your legends around

32:45

and your former players to be

32:48

a part of the current

32:50

team in a sense where

32:52

you have access, you know, we

32:54

could, I mean, how many guys do we see up at training

32:56

camp. They're just sitting there at the at the

32:58

dining hall, you know, and

33:01

the ability to walk up and ask a question,

33:04

you know, and just say, hey, can I guess it what you

33:06

guys? And guys are available.

33:09

I mean, I can't tell you how invaluable

33:11

it is. If I'm a safety

33:13

of seeing Minka Fitzpatrick and Mel Blunt talking,

33:16

how cool is that?

33:17

Oh?

33:17

Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like, it's

33:19

something that does not happen.

33:21

Ryan Clark comes in and

33:23

you got the entire defensive backfield over

33:25

there talking to Ryan. You know, it's

33:28

it's a special situation

33:30

when you have that opportunity to

33:33

do that, because not everywhere has that. Not everywhere

33:35

grants that access to that

33:38

to quote unquote the network or

33:40

the knowledge bank that is Steeler's

33:42

history exactly.

33:44

So you know, the funny part was it just

33:46

occurred to me.

33:46

I posed a question, what would

33:48

you think about Donnie Shell and Troy

33:50

Paula Molo in the same defensive

33:53

backfield.

33:53

We're like, awesome.

33:54

Right now, I'm thinking, well, it was pretty

33:56

close because we had Ryan Clark.

33:59

Yeah, exactly what I'm gonna say.

34:02

R C definitely definitely embodied

34:05

you know, the spirit of the

34:08

Yeah, I was about to say the memory and and

34:10

the skill set of here because

34:13

r C has some legendary hits. I mean, oh

34:15

we I mean, I mean when you say r C, I

34:18

can't help but think about the Willis mcgahey AFC.

34:20

Champion exactly so.

34:22

And that's just one of a number of legendary

34:25

hits that Ryan Clark he.

34:28

Has laid out some dudes in

34:31

his career and it

34:33

is just so yeah, well you're talking about

34:35

Okay, we did we we did see the light

34:38

version of that, you know what I'm saying,

34:41

because RC definitely played with

34:43

a with a disregard for his own body

34:46

or anybody else, creating maximum

34:48

carnage. You know, every

34:51

time he had he he had he

34:53

had to leave his feet or make a play.

34:55

You're gonna feel it.

34:57

It's gonna leave a mark somewhere, that's for sure.

34:59

All Right, let's take a break now. It was

35:01

so good to talk to Donny Shell, and boy

35:04

boy, I'd love We'll have to get him back next year

35:06

too for a little extended conversation at some point

35:08

in time. But that's one of the segments we want

35:10

to have is our teammates are pals, and

35:13

I know that the Max hope maybe we get

35:15

to try essex in before the end

35:17

of the show here tomorrow. But

35:19

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All right, back inside the locker room.

35:53

We've gotten off to a great start here,

35:57

Donny Shelle, last segment and you

36:00

tacos from Mike at Mos.

36:03

Yeah, I guess I should say great

36:06

segment for you guys.

36:07

For me, Uh,

36:10

how about that Welcome the most

36:13

I don't I don't quite up the accent

36:16

to it or whatever. Welcome, Welcome

36:19

bigger, Biggers, I don't

36:21

get it. Welcome the mos.

36:23

When you when you walk into a MOS.

36:26

No, I've experienced that number of numerous

36:28

times.

36:29

But when I I can't get the quite like you,

36:31

you seem to have the arc and on.

36:33

Okay, yeah, I don't have

36:35

that, Max. I'm not getting that down.

36:37

So you think about kind of like leaning over like almost

36:40

falling back as you're saying the phrase.

36:42

Okay, welcome the all

36:45

right, oh yeah, there we go. Yay,

36:48

I needed falling backwards.

36:51

Yes, there it is. Look you got all the yeah,

36:54

yeah exactly.

36:55

Now if we see feet up in the air like

36:57

a terrible, terrible

37:00

explanation.

37:00

Max, but uh Gosha

37:03

put you're on

37:06

the on the geriatric old man

37:08

on the show here.

37:09

Yeah exactly.

37:10

Well.

37:10

The good thing is I also know I also know how

37:12

how small that space is.

37:13

So if anything your back would

37:16

hit the wall, you'd bounce back forward.

37:17

So there you go, not

37:20

enough space to fall down, and and and that in

37:22

that room.

37:25

But there was some interesting NFL

37:28

news and I thought it appropriate

37:30

to talk about it because I think it's something that has a global

37:33

kind.

37:34

Of view of the sport of football

37:36

in general.

37:37

And you know what, as

37:40

we have the Senior Bowl going down this you

37:42

know, this week in practices or live

37:44

on NFL network so you could see the

37:47

American and the national teams practicing. I

37:50

thought it was very interesting. This is something normally

37:52

doesn't happen, especially

37:54

this late and quote unquote the coaching

37:56

cycle.

37:58

But Jeff Halfley, who

38:00

was.

38:02

Most recently the head coach of Boston

38:05

College, an ACC team that you

38:07

know, speaking of Pitt,

38:10

he went he Matt Lafleur hired him

38:12

as the team's defensive coordinator and

38:16

a sitting head coach. Leaving

38:18

a post in college to go

38:20

to the NFL's.

38:21

You know, is a rarity.

38:23

You know, more likely it's like you're fired or there's

38:26

something that happens and you get called

38:28

as soon as the season ends, and

38:31

that's usually the interview for another head coaching

38:33

job.

38:33

But you know, Jeff Haffley.

38:37

Took the job, was offered it

38:39

by Matt Lafleur when they were figuring out how they

38:41

wanted to move going forward.

38:44

And you know, I

38:46

thought, more so than anything else outside of this a

38:49

surprise of pulling a sitting head

38:51

coach from college. But it's

38:53

what Jeff Haffley said that

38:56

was even more poignant and kind

38:58

of gave you a sense of of, you know,

39:01

what's going on at the collegiate level, you

39:03

know, before these young men make it to the league.

39:05

And so one of the things

39:07

that he was that he was talking about was,

39:10

you know, he wanted here's what he's and

39:12

this is his direct quote, I wanted

39:15

to get back to coaching football. He's

39:18

like, college coaching nowadays

39:22

does not have enough coaching, and

39:24

there's more fundraising than

39:26

coaching going on, and I just wanted to

39:28

get back to coaching.

39:30

And I was like, wow, that speaks volumes,

39:33

right, because that

39:36

is the question.

39:37

I've always wondered that, and you kind

39:39

of insinuate it. But to then

39:41

get verified words

39:45

and corroboration on your

39:47

thoughts from somebody who was in this

39:50

and probably had a tight lip while he was a head coach,

39:52

but now the chains are off, right,

39:54

you know what I'm saying. You know, he's

39:57

able to speak his mind about this because he's now at

39:59

a different level. And it made

40:02

me think about just some of the

40:04

other guys, you know, at the collegiate

40:06

level, or guys that want to stay in the pros

40:08

versus going.

40:09

Down and taking a college job.

40:11

I mean, you think of the exit of a Jim Harbaugh

40:14

from Michigan, you think about the retirement

40:17

of a Nick Saban, and

40:19

it just kind of makes you go, hmm, interesting,

40:23

right, what are your thoughts

40:26

about you know, college

40:28

you know level. I mean, this is the era of

40:31

nil transfer portals. We have

40:33

a we have a second or late signing

40:35

day, which I don't get why they call it late. This

40:38

was this was the signing day back when I was coming

40:40

out of college. But the

40:42

late signing day will happen next Wednesday

40:45

during Super Bowl Week because

40:47

I'll be covering that out in Vegas. But

40:51

a head coach leaving it this late in the

40:53

game, right, You've already had one signing class in December.

40:57

You're now in February about to sign your last

40:59

signing class, and you know you finished up transfer

41:01

portal stuff until the spring. But

41:04

how different is it now at the collegiate

41:06

level versus the pro level?

41:09

You know, not only for a head coach, was this for any coach?

41:12

You know?

41:12

This is interesting, Max, This is a great topic

41:15

that you brought up. And I'll

41:17

look at this and I think to myself, how

41:21

the collegiate landscape has changed? You

41:23

know, West just point out, you know, the college

41:25

football was the same for I don't know one hundred and fifty

41:28

years or something, right, But then all

41:30

of a sudden, in the last eight

41:32

years six years, things have ramped

41:34

up and moved in college ball

41:37

so crazily that you've got head

41:39

coaches that now I want to coach.

41:41

I don't want a fundraise I want

41:44

to coach. I don't want to re recruit

41:46

every class that I bring in. I want

41:48

to coach, and I want to coach so bad

41:50

that I heard one guy say that

41:53

the possibility of seeing college coaches

41:55

jumping to the pros, even in a quality

41:57

control position, just

42:00

to get out of the college dranks and into the pros

42:02

is worthwhile to them.

42:04

That's amazing to me.

42:07

Yeah, No, it's an intriguing factory

42:09

because when you do think about it,

42:12

how much more daunting is it when

42:15

you have to go on the road

42:17

recruiting, you know, during a season,

42:20

right in the springtime, but

42:23

to find new talent. But then

42:25

you have to be worried about other

42:27

teams poaching your current talent. And

42:31

you know, what are the funny stories that came out

42:34

in the last week or so. Jetfish,

42:38

new coach at Washington, you

42:40

know, takes the Washington job after it becomes

42:42

available, after

42:45

their head coach takes the Alabama job after Nick

42:47

Saban retires. Okay, Jetfish

42:51

is trying and one of his players from

42:53

Arizona now wanted

42:56

to come.

42:56

To Washington, wanted to jump ship, want to follow his coach.

42:59

Listen, I'm all a for that. Right.

43:00

You know, when you sign up for a job

43:03

in the collegiate level, you know, or

43:05

you're agreeing to go play for this school,

43:09

you are signing with a coach essentially,

43:12

you know when it comes to signing day and but

43:15

those decisions, it's a coach that usually endears

43:17

you to want to come play for,

43:19

right, Like, that's the buy in, that's the first buy

43:21

in. And now

43:24

you know players, So I don't

43:26

blame this player for wanting to go follow coach

43:28

coach.

43:29

Fish to Washington.

43:31

And the

43:33

funny thing his agent or his brand

43:36

marketing expressions, however you want to call that.

43:38

It's an agent.

43:40

Is negotiating with Washington and

43:43

tells them that how much money you got

43:45

for my guy to come over there.

43:49

This is the craziness of what's happening.

43:52

Yeah, it's not about hey, how are your academic

43:54

standards? What was his class? Is going to be? Like? What

43:57

is life living up you know up

43:59

there in Washington.

44:00

You know he's coming from Arizona,

44:03

which is sunny year round, no snow,

44:05

right, going to a place that's going to snow

44:07

and going to be bitter weather.

44:09

You know, how is it? How is all it? No?

44:10

No?

44:11

No, how much are you gonna pay?

44:12

And then on top of that, the

44:15

agent doesn't have enough wherewithal to

44:18

realize that Jedfish was the head coach of Arizona.

44:21

So the guy says, you know, he

44:24

was making more at University of Arizona.

44:27

He was making about fifty to eighty thousand more.

44:30

And I'm like, you realize, Jedfish

44:32

can go look at what number that kid

44:35

got into ANIL deal and

44:37

the dude that overshot it by eighty two thousand

44:39

dollars. Wow, player was making try

44:41

to negotiate. So they let's say that player is

44:43

not at the University of Washington. He is still at University

44:46

of Arizona as a student. But it's

44:49

just it's crazy to me that that's what's happening

44:51

now for eighteen, nineteen, twenty year old kids.

44:54

We're not talking about.

44:55

This isn't the NFL, right, this isn't

44:57

post combine, this isn't a post

44:59

Drafting Ociation free

45:01

agency. No, this

45:03

is if I jump in

45:06

this portal, are you gonna a pick

45:08

me up? And how much you're gonna pay me to

45:10

be at your place? That's what's

45:12

crazy. And coach Afthlete said, Noah, I don't want to deal with that

45:14

anymore.

45:15

I'm tired of having.

45:16

To recruit re recruit

45:18

my own kids year after year to keep

45:20

them on staff, and

45:22

then having to go try and recruit

45:24

this new town. And all they care about is how much money you're gonna

45:27

give them. They don't care about anything else, academic

45:29

standards, location, nothing, what's.

45:32

The dollar amount?

45:33

And that can wear on you, right, that

45:36

that can wear on you if you're a coach. That's like,

45:38

hey, you know when I signed you here, we

45:41

had we had a plan for you to be you know,

45:43

two, three, four years, maybe

45:45

even five years down.

45:46

The road and building something you can't

45:48

build with that.

45:49

And think about Boston College, especially when you think

45:51

got the landscape of the ACC, right, Boston

45:54

College is scraping by.

45:55

You know, this is more of an academic.

45:56

Institution, right right.

45:58

A sports yeah, they have some

46:01

talent that comes out, you know, every couple of years,

46:04

but it's it's not Alabama, it's

46:06

not even Clemson or f s U right

46:08

and your competer not

46:11

even not even it's even

46:13

the Orange people.

46:16

Right, that's a hockey school, the college.

46:20

Yeah, So so could

46:23

you imagine one day it's like who would want

46:25

those mid level jobs like you said you'd

46:27

have more guys come here and say, hey, I at least want to come to a

46:29

quality control position, because at least

46:31

it's doing what my job description says, like,

46:34

I want to be a football coach.

46:37

I don't want to be a sports fundraiser.

46:40

I don't want to be a guy that's begging

46:43

our boosters to put more money

46:45

in so we can retain talent on

46:47

an annual basis.

46:49

Like that's why Nick. I believe that's why Nick

46:51

Saber retired.

46:52

Right because I would imagine, yeah,

46:55

you just lose the you just lose the Rose Bowl,

46:57

right, and the

47:00

next day you got eight players talking about,

47:02

haye, coach, I need more money or

47:04

I'm going somewhere else.

47:05

Somebody else offered me more money.

47:06

I was ridiculous.

47:07

Eight guys jump into the portal a day

47:10

after the game. So it

47:12

is very intriguing. It's gonna be one that,

47:15

you know, the NCAA has to come up with something,

47:17

and I know it's not gonna be the body itself.

47:19

It'll be more so the conferences that

47:22

will have to make these type of decisions or regulations

47:24

in place. But it's

47:27

it's very disheartening when you think about the game

47:29

that we all love watching and

47:31

you know on Saturdays, and that Saturday

47:34

pastime leads to a Sunday obsession. But

47:37

the fact that it's changing so drastically

47:39

that you have a head coach jumping ship, I

47:41

don't think this is gonna be the first.

47:43

I think this is just.

47:44

The tip of the iceberg for years to come that

47:46

you're gonna see guys wanting to get it.

47:48

And you know what that's gonna do for the NFL.

47:50

That's going to flood the talent gates

47:53

and you're not gonna see more of the same,

47:55

rinse and repeat, recycled coaches. You're

47:58

gonna start seeing new blood come in. And

48:00

especially with the way that the NFL likes.

48:02

To hire younger guys.

48:03

Now, I mean, look at Mike McDonald right mm

48:05

hmm, I mean, look look at look

48:07

at what you're getting with that. Because everybody thought

48:10

it was gonna be Tan Quinn's job. That's

48:12

Dan man Seattle what

48:14

he did there.

48:16

Time served. Nah.

48:19

They're like, nah, we saw, we saw what happened in Atlanta.

48:21

We also saw what happened with with

48:23

with the Cowboys and that in that Wildcard

48:25

game where you made Green Bay pretty

48:28

much you know, the best team and

48:30

the Bees needs for a week because they just ran

48:32

through you guys. So it's

48:35

very it's very it's very intriguing.

48:38

Max.

48:38

One more angle for you guys real quick, and I know we got a break.

48:40

But you know, since this is Boston College specific,

48:42

right, one thing that I think college football

48:44

programs like the Florida Gators, right,

48:47

and in Ohio State and Notre Dame in Michigan

48:49

and Georgia and onward.

48:51

They're gonna be all right.

48:52

But it is the programs like Boston College

48:54

that might not ever be the same

48:57

in this new era. And I think

48:59

in a way that affects the NFL too, because think

49:01

of a guy like Luke Keighley, Right, he

49:04

was not a five. He was not an Alabama,

49:06

Ohio State, USC Texas

49:08

recruit.

49:09

Coming out of high school. He went to Boston College.

49:11

But he was there.

49:12

He played for four years, he was

49:14

coached for four years, stayed in the program,

49:17

grew in the program, ended up being a first round draft

49:19

pick, and then one of the best linebackers, arguably

49:21

the best linebacker.

49:22

Of his generation.

49:23

What happens to the Luke Keighleys of the world that aren't

49:25

the five star recruits if they don't have

49:27

programs like Boston College where

49:29

they can go and receive high level coaching

49:32

and high level play. Still, uh,

49:34

it's it's got a real ripple effect all this stuff.

49:37

Well, and I think I think you look at it. Also,

49:40

where's the PAC twelve?

49:42

Oh that's right, no longer in conference?

49:45

And this and this is the starting process

49:47

of crumbling that, right. I mean it's

49:50

it's you're seeing even with these new

49:52

with these new conference realignments and the and

49:54

the money deals.

49:56

I mean, the Lions share went to the Big ten and

49:58

went to the SEC. Yep, AC see

50:00

a Big twelve got crumbs yep.

50:02

So you know, just to say there,

50:04

for every Boston College, you have

50:06

to think of an Oklahoma State, you

50:08

have to think of a UC.

50:09

Yeah yeah, like W like WU and you

50:12

know W yeah

50:15

yeah.

50:18

Yeah, you're hey, hey, yeah, you guys

50:20

are a journalism school. It's okay, y'all will be fine.

50:23

Isaacs.

50:24

A guy like Isaac, say Malu, had the opportunity to

50:26

go to Oregon State to play in the PAC twelve,

50:28

receive high level coaching. I mean, what

50:30

happens to a guy like that now if he doesn't get a scholarship

50:32

offer to organ, you know, or to or

50:35

to USC.

50:36

Where's he go?

50:36

What's the coaching like?

50:39

Organ?

50:41

Yeah? I like that.

50:42

It sounds like a body partner. School

50:46

sounds like.

50:47

A body partner an

50:50

organ state. And he doesn't get an organ, I mean,

50:52

where does he go.

50:52

To or if he does that organ, I

50:55

mean what?

50:55

Yeah?

50:56

Where's that? Donor lift?

50:57

Pretty hard to be offensive lineing without your organs?

51:00

Yeah, exactly, But I

51:02

think, but I think that that is the question, right,

51:04

and how how long can you do that? Because like I

51:06

said, I mentioned the f s Us and the Clemsons

51:09

of the world, But like you said, where's the

51:11

University of Virginia a Heath Miller type?

51:13

Right? Right?

51:14

Perfect? You know what about a Miami or Ohio?

51:16

You know, we better pick this up on the other side of the hour.

51:18

Because yeah, yeah, because we're

51:22

leading, we're leading it to the into the power

51:25

break. I look at that.

51:27

Somebody's got to be an adult here.

51:29

You can't bring up college.

51:31

You can't expect me.

51:35

His eyes light up like when I see a cherry

51:37

pie.

51:38

Yeah, all right, well, hey, we're

51:40

gonna light up like a cherry pie while while you

51:42

guys need some more Beria, tacos from Mo's,

51:45

and we'll be back with more inside the locker room

51:47

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