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Hi,

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I'm Chelsea Clinton. And this season on

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in fact, we're celebrating Women's History

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Month. I'll be talking with trailblazing

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women at the top of their fields about their personal

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journeys, the progress we've made, and how far

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we still have to go. Today, we're

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discussing women in the fashion industry with

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someone who has her own brand, is unflinchingly

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committed to designing sustainably, is

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a fierce advocate, and my

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dear friend, Stella McCartney.

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At first glance, many would say fashion is a woman's

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world. Women make up the vast majority

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of major's at fashion schools and buyers of

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fashion, and yet according

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to the Business of Fashion, women run only

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a few of the top fifty fashion brands, less

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than fifteen of them iconic

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brand or didn't have a female creative director

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until Van She

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didn't have one until and

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as we often see in other industries, brands

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tend to choose women supporting positions

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creatively and on the business side, rather

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than starring roles. But for more than

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twenty years, Stella McCartney has been running

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her own label, designing using environmentally

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friendly practices and sustainable fabrics

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from the very beginning Stell has not used leather,

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any animal skin, feathers, or fur in her

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designs, and she's looked to reduce waste.

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Now she's pushing the entire industry

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towards a higher standard of sustainable practice. As

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Stella says, she is begging for government

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regulation of the fashion industry, an industry

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that accounts for roughly ten of the

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world's annual greenhouse gas emissions and twenty

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percent of wastewater. For

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context, that's more than the entire shipping

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and aviation industries combined.

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Stella got her start in fashion at sixteen is

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an intern at Christian Laqui. From

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there, she went on to learn traditional men's tailoring

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on Savo Row, and after finishing her design

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degree at Central St. Martin's, she became the

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creative director of the Parisian fashion

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house Chloe. Just four years

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later, before she turned thirty, Stella

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left Chloe to launch her own house and a joint venture

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with the Gucci Group, and showed her first collection

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under her own name in the fall of two thousand

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and one. Seventeen years later,

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still A bought out her partners and still remains

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the majority stakeholder of her brand of business

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today. Stella McCartney's brand is

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more than clothing for women. Encompasses

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everything from women's in unisex ready to

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wear, to accessories, to kids clothing,

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to a performance wear, a collaboration with Adidas,

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and this month, Stella's debuting

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an outfit for the one and only

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Many Mouse, after almost a century

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wearing a dress, Many will be donning an

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original deep blue Stella McCartney pantsuit

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marking today's International Women's Day

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and the thirtie anniversary of Disneyland

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Paris. Stella,

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thank you so much for joining me today.

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I'm very, very honored to be here. I,

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as you know, have long admired you for

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so much, especially your commitment to sustainability.

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I know you always wanted to be a designer,

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but did you all always want to bring sustainability

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into your designs. I knew

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at a very young age that I wanted to be a fashion

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designer, and I didn't

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intentionally come

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into my career in design

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with sustainability at the kind of core of it.

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I just wanted to be a fashion designer. I

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went to Central St Martin's in London,

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I studied, I just worked from day one

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on on that kind of goal. But

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I guess my point of difference and which

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led me to the sustainability kind of piece

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of my story was that I've

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grown up as a lifelong vegetarian. I grew up

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on an organic farm in England with

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quite outspoken and change

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agent parents. So I never ever

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worked with fur or leather. And

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where you told you had to, like when

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you were at school or where you were a young designer,

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did people say like, you are

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narrowing yourself if you don't work with fur,

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if you don't work with leather. I definitely

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have had many moments in my career,

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weirdly latter on in my career

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when it is even more obvious

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and ridiculous to suggest that I would

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start using leather or fur, and I have had

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people. Yeah, even one of my own previous

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CEOs was like, look, if you know, if

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we want to have a bad business, which is what every

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luxury fashion house exists

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upon, really you know, having considered working

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with real leather, or might you do this or

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might you do that? So it wasn't pointed

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out to me that I had to do that, but it

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is the rule of the industry that those are the

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materials that you work with in certainly

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in luxury, and they're kind of the backbone

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of the business. Really, they're the business

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drivers. So I always

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knew that I was definitely stirring

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up a little bit of controversy.

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I was just kind of convinced that there was

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another way that I could do it, and that

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you wouldn't notice that my handbags

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weren't made out of real leather or dead

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animals, as the case may be, that you wouldn't

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sacrifice the luxury or the design in

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order to have a much more sort of kinder

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and sustainable, loving product. And

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you spoke about how even sometimes your own

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CEO s would doubt you, and I'm

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assuming it was probably a heat given

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how much of the fashion industry

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historically has been male dominated,

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and certainly when you started out, you

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were one of the only women at

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the head of her own label. Where

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do you think the fashion industry is today,

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both on the creative side and the business

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side for women. I'm sad

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to say there's still very few female

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design is, certainly with their

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name on the door. Having said

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that, there are millions of

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extraordinary women behind

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the scenes and side by side, working

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and striving and building the business

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of fashion. For sure, the majority

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of my businesses women. In fact,

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I was showing a friend around only yesterday

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and I was like, Hey, meet all my girls, and I was like,

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oh my god, are there any men on my floor? Is one

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guy? You know, it's like, oh, oh, dear,

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I should we get some more guys? And it is a

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male world still. You know, a lot of

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the seats at the table are taken

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up by men. And it's not to say that

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men aren't great and that men don't do a

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fantastic job, but you know, there's definitely

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a lot of work to be done in the business of fashion

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for that level of equality really an

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acceptance, which is strange considering

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the majority of the businesses to dress women.

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And so for me, one of my biggest privileges

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and one of the things that really made

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me want to be a fashion designer was to make

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women feel better about themselves and

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the privilege of being a woman designing for women

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and having that deeper understanding of what

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we needed and what we want. So, do

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you think we've made any progress since

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you started twenty years

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ago in terms of women? Yeah,

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I think we're making progress

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in all fields because we are

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now allowed to have this conversation, and it is

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as we know, World Women's Month, and

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these things are now very much they're

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not to boo conversations. We don't have to be

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embarrassed about the fact that we haven't

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had equality in any form

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really as women two men. And I think

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that definitely in business now

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people are much more aware of

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having diversity, having a kind of much

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cleaner standard in that sense.

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So there is change, but I

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think on the whole, if we're really going to be honest,

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the majority of women are still not

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in the room, and they're not even educated to get

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in the room. They're not even allowed to leave the house

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to get educated to be in the room. So there's

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still a huge amount of work to be done,

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sadly, And so when young designers

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or kind of anyone in the creative

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spaces that you inhabit come

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and ask for advice, say,

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you know, how do I get comfortable being

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maybe the first and the only woman in the room.

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What advice do you give Stella? Well,

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I think it's such a fascinating question,

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and I think that you know, I'm of a generation

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where I was still slightly apologetic

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for the fact that I was a woman, or I had to overcompensate.

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I had to be more masculine in my board meetings.

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I had to And did you dress that way too?

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Think it affected how you dressed. No, it

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didn't really affect the way I dressed, because I've always

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had this kind of weirdly my work is

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very much this play on the man and the woman.

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So I have a ton of tailoring and I

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have a ton of kind of more feminine pieces, and

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it's that tension that I find personally

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really interesting. But I do think there

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was for sure a moment in my career

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where my suits that were more inspired

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by my work in Savoreau in London

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and the years that I trained in making

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men's suits where I was one

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of the few designers that had that more

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masculine kind of tailoring in their range,

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and it was really liberating for women.

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They would always tell me, especially women that are

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in those traditional male lead

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roles like in banking or financing or

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law, they really loved

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that they could wear those suits and it

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wasn't like these kind of women's suits that they

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had to wear a skirt. You skirt suits

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and a kind of very conventional

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look. But I definitely

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as a woman in business in the business

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of fashion, I have been very

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many times in an awkward room situation

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where I've been very aware of my gender and

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having to either undercompensate, did,

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in my light, overcompensate play

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the role of being a more sort of girly girl.

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I can definitely admit that, but I never

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at any stage felt that it was

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something that led any of my decision

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making. If anything, it probably made

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me a little more determined to prove people wrong.

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It's funny. I was thinking, actually only yesterday

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and I think, oh my god, did that really happen to me. I

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remember when I was leaving a

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job and I won't mention the job, and I

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remember this guy who

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was really really high up in this this

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fashion firm, was trying to get me to

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stay in the role, and I was like, no, look,

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you know it's time for me to move on. I'm really excited

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to do something else. And I kept timing

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to say no, like that you wouldn't accept no for

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an answer. So it took a few meetings and it

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doesn't matter that was a guara woman that that happens.

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But on the final meeting where I was like, look,

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I'm so sorry, I'm really honored, but the answer

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is no, and I'm going to move on. And as I

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left, he he lookeally and said, you name me one

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female designer that has her

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name on the door. You name one female

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designer that has a brand. And

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I remember getting so far like,

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I'm so furious that he dared

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to say that that I mentioned a

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handful of In fact, he said, name me one

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British female designer, and

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there are a lot less, you know, I

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have to admit, but it just really

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put fire in my belly. And actually I kind

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of can say I can almost thank

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him for being so ridiculously

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outdated and stupid.

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In fact, it actually I thank him for that

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because it could have fire in my belly.

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Not everyone Stella would have the resilience

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to be inspired by that horrific

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sexism. For some women, they

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might have had a different reaction and might have

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gotten smaller instead of

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larger. I feel very privileged

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and proud to be a woman that's founded

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a fashion brand that's still here, and

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that's founded on great ethics

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and is a conscious brand and a

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kind brand, and at the same time hopefully

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a really cool, fashionable, edgy, dreamy

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brand. I feel very much the responsibility

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of being a woman that employs other

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women. A lot of the women that worked for me a

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mother's they're bringing home also,

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you know, the majority of the wage packet. And

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so it is a really fascinating moment

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I find in my business talking to my

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teams about things like that, we'll

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be right back, stay with us, And

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you don't just feel responsible for your team,

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You feel responsible, I think it's fair to say

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for your industry, and you know, and part of

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that responsibility is manifested in

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helping mentor others in sustainability

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and that it isn't actually necessary

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to use leather to design beautiful handbags.

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But also and saying that the fashion

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industry itself needs to be regulated.

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Why do you think that's important? Policies

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is critical because we're one of the most

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responsible industries for climate

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damage and we have a massive negative

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impact on the environment, and there is no policing

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of the industry. And so I'm a huge advocate

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of trying to encourage policy

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change, encouraged incentives for

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young designers or even established design

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houses to actually be more sustainable.

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What does that look like? You know, I at the

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moment, I'm penalized for working in the

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way that I work. So for example, I take a

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non leather good into America

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and I'm charged tax

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just on that non leather bag, for example, Whereas

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if I put a sliver of pig

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leather onto the same bag, the

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tax disappears. So I'm actually

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penalized for working in this way. And

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you hundred and fifty million trees are

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cut down a year for ray On, and I don't think

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most people know that, even people in my industry

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don't know that. I think most people I think Rayon is made

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out of plastic or out of synthetic

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yarm, but it's made out of wood pulp. And

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so you know, we at Stella have taken three

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years to source a sustainable

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wood fiber in Sweden and take that same

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fiber, which is sustainable, to the same mills.

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I'm really invested in the side

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of the business that is really trying to create

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solutions. I have to apologize to

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everyone listening to this for the amount of dog barking

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that will happen as a working

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mother. The children are

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coming home and the dogs are barking. So you

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know, at least we're keeping it real over here in London always,

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But there is so much work to be done

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in the fashion industry, the sourcing that

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I do, acquaints for the

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positive impact that I have environmentally,

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and so, you know, I have so much knowledge

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and I want to share that, and I am sharing that

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with so many people in other companies. But if

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we don't have a level of policy change, and

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if we don't have very

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simple laws and legislations coming

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into just as they do in the automobile

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industry, we know that cars are going electric, we

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know that they have a timeline to do so we

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know that the car companies wouldn't be going

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electric if it were not for those rules and

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regulations and laws, and you know they

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will get penalties if they don't reach that guideline.

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Similar things like that do need to come into my

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industry and it will only

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help the industry and certainly help

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the future generations on Earth. And

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this is something you're talking about not just in your country,

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but also here in the United States and on a global

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stage. Yeah, Oh, it's it's

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an absolutely a global issue. And last

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year I went to the G seven summit, and I

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was with your president and with many other world

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leaders, and actually only two women in

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the room other than myself. The Queen and

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merkel Um but and

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there were a lot of people talking about

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aviation and about

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energy and all these different huge industries

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that have a really big part to play in the

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environment. I was there as the one of these

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few people actually that owned

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a company that was in the business and

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representing the fashion industry, and I

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sort of said to him when I was like, you know, it is easier

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to set a regulation on an aviation.

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You know, on aviation there's maybe six, seven,

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ten brands that you're having

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to put into line. I feel like

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there's billions of fashion brands. There's so

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many, and obviously fast

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fashion is a killer. Every single second

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a chuckload of fast fashion is burnt or

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buried, sometimes worn maximum

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three times before it's just discarded,

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which actually equates to like five billions

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worth of waste. But these numbers,

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these are business opportunities. This is like where

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we can create an inspire brand, new recycling

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businesses, renting businesses. There's

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so many amazing things that can come

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of this problem that we have. But

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we definitely need to support from governments

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to unite the industry well.

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And certainly I hope if any kind

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of young aspiring designers are listening.

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They will take you seriously at your

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mention of what an opportunity there should

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be. I think the young designers now it's

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a given. No, you can't walk into

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a room and expect to be supported

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or be invested in if you don't have some

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kind of sustainable story. It

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is the youth that will solve these

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problems, I hope, but they have to

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have the support of government. There has to be some

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form of game changing going

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on to really help this next generation

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of designers or just business people.

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You know, there are so many different facets

16:28

of the fashion industry. It's one of the

16:30

few industries that kind of touches on every

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industry. We're

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taking a quick break, stay with us

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well. An area that your fashion has

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touched recently is mini mouths, which

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I was incredibly excited to see, partly

16:58

because my children are little

17:00

younger than your children, so we're kind of right

17:02

in any and everything Disney

17:05

related. And so I just so

17:07

curious still it you designed a pant suit

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for her. How did that come about?

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Why do you think it's important that Minnie is wearing a pant

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suit at this moment in time. It's

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to celebrate International Women's Month,

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and it is a collaboration between myself and

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Mini. Essentially, she told me what

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she wanted. She was fed up of wearing dresses

17:26

as a rule, and we got together. We

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had a couple of late nights. She likes

17:31

to drink very good red wine. I found out

17:33

great something else we haven't come in a couple of tequila

17:36

shots, and we came up with this pants suit. Um

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No, it was just a moment to celebrate

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change and celebrate really during

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the line in the sand. It's just such

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a ridiculous kind of historical

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you know, she wears the heels and the

17:52

skirt and the guy wears the pants, you know, and

17:54

that it isn't the case as we know anymore,

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and it certainly isn't the case anymore with many I'm

18:00

very proud to say, became

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up with a few options. It turned

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out that the polka dots kind of fitted into

18:07

her world, and I

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just wanted to kind of mute it down and have these

18:11

beautiful blues and blacks

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and I think slightly modernized her wardrobe,

18:16

but also to keep it cheek and timeless.

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I think that's the important part of this kind

18:20

of project. And so, do

18:22

you have a hope for what the impact will be. Well,

18:25

I kind of love that everyone was super angry

18:27

about it. I didn't see that coming at all,

18:29

so I was thrilled. I have to say

18:32

that everyone was so up in arms and

18:34

hugely disturbed that minis

18:36

and pants. Your mother was very supportive

18:39

and that was very sweet of her. But

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I'm glad it got the attention because it's

18:43

for the right reasons. And you know, the fact that it would

18:45

even be of conversation

18:48

is quite mind blowing to me now. But

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you know, mini mouths and trousers, is

18:52

that revolutionary? I remember a

18:55

few years ago when also a lot

18:57

of people, at least on the internet,

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we're very upset when a black

19:02

actress was cast as Ariel

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and the live action Little Mermaid.

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God, I can't marry. I mean, it

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was really even surprising

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to me how many people were attached to the

19:13

lily white, redheaded cartoon

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version of Ariel from the late

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nineteen eighties, whereas I was always

19:21

more upset that she gave her voice away

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for a man. So again

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one of those moments where I was like, oh, we are upset about

19:28

different things. Yeah, you know,

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we have so far to go, and it's

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sad Really, I realized now more

19:35

than ever how liberal my upbringing

19:38

was and how there's no judgment,

19:40

and that was probably the greatest privilege

19:42

that I grew up with open minds and open

19:45

hearts, and I mean, there

19:47

isn't anything better than that, right. Evolution

19:49

takes longer than we think. Sadly,

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Ideally we're all evolving, but sometimes it feels

19:55

like we are collectively devolving. We've

19:57

talked about the fashion industries impact

20:00

on the environment and responsibility hopefully

20:03

to having a more kind of positive impact

20:05

in the future. But now you know, more than

20:07

twenty years into helming, you

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know your own brand. What do you think the

20:12

industry's responsibility is towards how

20:15

women but also men see

20:17

themselves and how young women

20:20

and young men think about their bodies,

20:22

think about the space that they

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take up in the world, hopefully in a positive

20:26

sense and not in a negative one.

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Well, hey, you know, I think that comes back to me

20:31

being a mother of four kids,

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two boys, two girls, and

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that's where it hits home for me the most. There

20:39

are two sides. There's no doubt

20:41

that we still have so much work

20:44

to do, and there's no doubt that we're not deeply

20:46

insecure, fragile creatures.

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I think humans are the

20:52

weirdest animals on earth. And

20:54

you know, the other animals are kind of kicking

20:56

it back, and they're they're kind of going

20:58

with what comes in that truly to them.

21:01

And we're just disrupting and interrupting

21:03

and damaging so many things.

21:05

And we live in a day and age where there is a

21:07

lot of information and it is being

21:11

funneled to us in a variety

21:13

of manners also, and we're

21:16

insecure. We've been told we

21:18

will feel better about ourselves mentally

21:21

and emotionally if we look better, or

21:23

if we can fit into these genes, or we can

21:25

walk down the street and have something to look at us in a certain

21:27

way. We can get x amount of likes on

21:29

on our devices, and we

21:32

live in this day and age that is heightened.

21:34

It's it's very, very heightened. And for

21:36

me, the main main thing is trying to encourage

21:39

definitely a quality. You know, when I'm at

21:41

home around the kitchen table, opening

21:44

up uncomfortable conversations, checking

21:46

in with people and checking in with my customers

21:49

and sort of saying, look, how are you feeling? How can it make

21:51

you feel better? Like all I want to do is make you

21:53

feel better about yourself, you

21:55

know, and that really is the key. I

21:58

think talking is iCal and

22:01

I'm even I'm as bad as anything. I'm addicted

22:03

to my device. It's more work related, I have to

22:05

admit, But you know, the idea to

22:07

actually kind of reduce our time on

22:10

these things and take more time to

22:13

be together as families and communities

22:16

and help each other, you know. I think being

22:18

kinder is a great start. I like to

22:20

think that we're a kind brand at

22:22

Stella McCartney. I think it can

22:24

be cool to be kind. I think it has to be.

22:27

It's the only way forward. Still,

22:29

the last question, is there kind of

22:31

one statistic or fact about

22:34

women kind of in fashion that

22:36

you find either inspiring

22:39

about how much progress has been made

22:42

or enraging about how

22:44

much progress has yet to be

22:46

made. I found out recently

22:48

that of businesses in the US

22:51

are women owned. So there's

22:53

sort of statistics like that that start

22:55

to fill you with just great

22:57

hope and encourage you. And you know, you know that

23:00

that must have only just happened. Is

23:03

huge, and I'm sure only moments ago

23:06

it was twenty or ten or five or zero,

23:08

So I think heading in the right

23:10

direction is so encouraging. And

23:13

I think we all know that the next

23:15

generations of young women now are

23:17

watching, They're eager. They

23:19

feel much more permission, I think, to

23:22

own it. I mean, I definitely see

23:24

that in my own daughters, there's no question. But

23:27

you've got to believe in yourself and you've got to get in that room.

23:29

You've got to fight. You have got to fight

23:31

still. For every great statistic

23:34

you here are every really encouraging kind

23:36

of story that you you get hold of, there's

23:39

another one in the back of the room that's like reminds

23:41

you that we've still got a lot to

23:43

do. I love that with such fans

23:46

of women, I absolutely I'm sure I'm not allowed

23:48

to swear on this podcast, but I absolutely

23:51

love women. I think we're the fucking

23:53

goolest. But you know, the other thing

23:55

is I love men too. Like you know, I don't want

23:57

my sons to feel alienated from the conversation

24:00

or feel guilty, like feel bad when they haven't done anything,

24:02

but I do always whenever the conversation

24:04

comes up, I'm still in the corner

24:06

of like, you know what, guys, I'm sorry

24:08

if if anyone has to take

24:10

the bullet for what happened in the past, but

24:13

it's still going on to levels

24:15

that you just have no idea. I

24:17

work on a lot of kind of women's charities

24:19

with violence, and just globally it's

24:22

dark. You know, there's a lot of darkness going

24:24

on still for women. So we just can't forget it

24:26

when we're sitting in a culture

24:29

that it has moved forward at a greater speed.

24:31

Thank God, well still,

24:34

thank you, thank you for your time today, but

24:36

most of all, thank you for proving

24:39

what's possible for women in fashion, for

24:41

sustainability in fashion, for

24:43

many Mouse. I'm incredibly grateful

24:45

for your time, especially given the dog barking

24:47

and the children ground apologize

24:50

for the doors slamming and they never have to apologize

24:53

for like, there's nothing glamorous over here. I

24:55

might be in fashion, but there ain't no glamor involved.

24:59

And here's too old of the women this month,

25:01

go kick us girls, amen.

25:11

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25:14

at Stella McCartney and if you

25:16

can't make it to Paris to see Many in person,

25:18

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25:21

at Stella McCartney dot com.

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