Gordon and SL kick off this week's episode with a candid discussion on why better founders build better startups, what it means to be a holistic founder, what it means to have a growth mindset and how that all feeds into the Impact Central programme many of their startup founders are on now.

And this week we're also chatting KNICKERS! Bear with us...

We're hearing from the inspiring serial entrepreneurs Primrose Matheson and Vanessa Barker, co-founders of Bedstraw & Madder, a clothing brand challenging the way clothing is made, focussing on plant-dyed, chemical-free textiles and sustainable fashion - including a range of organic, farm-to-fibre underwear.

Primrose and Vanessa are also passionate about keeping ancient crafting techniques alive like handloom weaving and embroidery, and paying fair wages to those producing these amazing garments. Listen up and get inspired by these two amazing founders as they talk about dealing with failure, thinking differently and tackling the world's problems through creativity.