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This is iFanboy Pick of the

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Week number 923, brought to you

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by Caffeine and Fatigue and iFanboy

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listeners like you. Hey

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folks, I am Josh Flanagan, you know

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me, because I'm always here, as

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opposed to my co-host, Connor Kilpatrick. I was just

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gone last week, what are you talking about? I

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just, you know, just thought today,

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you know, I'd lay back in a cut,

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you led your little fitness. You know what I'm saying?

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I don't want to talk anymore. Well, we

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all know that's not true. This is iFanboy Pick of the Week

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number 809, nope, 902. I wasn't even gonna say

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823. I had a whole other number coming out. You

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liked a lotto, just spit out some numbers. Yeah,

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I run numbers in southern New Hampshire.

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You're not supposed to say what's up on the show. Yeah,

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well, I mean, for one thing, they couldn't get me because

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they'd get me on the stand and they'd be like, do

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you run in numbers? And we're like, I don't even know

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what that really means. I probably did. I

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wouldn't know how to do that. I somehow

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lost money doing it. You know those magnets

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with numbers? I drive those around in my

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car. That's what I thought we were talking

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about. We read comics every week. We read

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a bunch of them. The person who has

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been charged with the sacred duty to make

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the Pick of the Week. It's a... There's

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a word no one uses. I

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have a calling. Like, not really. Like,

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no one you want to talk to uses it

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sincerely, I don't think. I have an authentic calling.

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I have a calling to review sandwiches. That's what

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my calling is. I do it in

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my car. I never could serve that guy's stuff anymore. I

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Just realized that. I Liked that guy. There's a different

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your comics. We pick the one that we liked

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about to call that a big of a week.

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Where to talk about that? We talk about other

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comics as what's the point a reading fifteen to

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twenty five books every single week of your life.

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If not going to talk about more than one

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of I'm it's just math. There's other books. Like

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we said ah there's a Peyton pick which you

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people listening chose. There's listener mail they deserve. It

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is A it's a good Tuck I need I

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need I need you gotta inject some I need

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something or just start talking for. While he thought

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for nuff last week, I just forgot that I

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had someone else to fill space. Assess assess

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it was a real moment last week were like

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I didn't know something and like we're so used

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to that but like I couldn't come up with

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the word because of their early onset dementia and

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I realize like I have no out to look

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this up because I also didn't realize I can

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just stop it and an egg move at it.

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I. Could buy the want? Do that though. You're.

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The next time you do so us or

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uses pretend I'm there and have the competition

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in your head and then once belonged but

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the silence He realized that what you think

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mimic thirty seconds of silence and then there

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wouldn't start writing in the in for of

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a no no this was a performance piece

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Connor You thankfully had the pick of the

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week. I did and I had several books

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that I was thinking about choosing M look

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I didn't wanna to Fantastic Four again. We've

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had these books throughout the years where you

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just sick term it's yes there that rock

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isn't. Abolitionists is a brew

3:20

bigger Captain America Scouts syndrome

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when I was just like.

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I read center sick for seven,

3:27

twelve, or nineteen. I wouldn't last.

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At. That point I have several books I wasn't like

3:31

a big surprise like images on the thick to and enough

3:33

as it for pitches animals like. A damn

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right Norris, It's stupid. It's not even close.

3:38

And the thing is, I think my last

3:40

pic was a spider man. Is your it

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doesn't? My last? Definitely. Yep. That. Was

3:44

also singles issues story and this is also

3:46

single issue store and most of them are.

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And. it's a skill that sort

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of win loss in time because assistant done

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that much and when other people do it

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sometimes is not a satisfying but he does

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is entirely satisfied single-issue stories. I was halfway

4:00

through this book when I had to remind

4:02

myself that it was a single-issue story because

4:04

my brain is so used to thinking of

4:06

them as arcs now that I was like,

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no, no, no, this is just gonna end

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in 10 pages. And

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it was fully satisfying. He told a complete

4:15

arc and not only that, he had

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to build a new world and make

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you understand its rules and

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still tell a satisfying story and that was

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incredible. And Carlos Gomez is a terrific artist.

4:26

I've said this before, but it keeps going

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on. Like if you are a professional comic

4:30

book writer or any kind of writer and

4:32

you are watching this guy burn through stories

4:36

at a clip of one of them. I

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mean, like think about like from just an

4:40

economy standpoint, if you have to think of

4:42

stories all the time and you can make

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one last four, five, six issues, that's just

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good planning. You know, if this is your career and

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this dude is bursting with

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ideas and the talks was probably a year and a

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half or two years ago now and I'd asked him

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about that because even then I thought it had been

4:58

a lot and I had no idea it was gonna

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go on but I was like, you ever worry about

5:02

burning through stories? Like no, that's what I do. And

5:04

the thing that he did, I don't

5:06

know how you tread the line of

5:09

being really confident but in no way

5:11

arrogant, which is a skill all in its

5:13

own. But it was just like, no, this is my job, this is what

5:15

I have to do, which is what people who are good at their jobs

5:17

do. But you know, writers sometimes

5:21

somewhat precious. It's amazing. Plus,

5:23

you wonder like does he ever want to hang

5:25

out in the like, I mean, obviously, I know

5:27

you mean, I'm like an LA noir, noir

5:30

guy, like I love these movies, I love these books. And

5:32

so I was like, Oh, man, I

5:34

would love this been like a three issue arc, right? I

5:36

just love the world. But the economy of it, it didn't

5:39

need to be anymore. And I don't even remember

5:41

what happened at the end of last issue. I

5:43

don't believe this was something that was teased.

5:45

I think we just were dropped in

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media res, where the first page is a

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black and white, a door opens a slinky

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blonde enters in a red dress. And

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by the way, red and blue are the only

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colors in this story. And it's Alicia Masters investigations

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and she's the quintessential LA

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noir private investigator narrating her case

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that's brought by the beautiful

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femme fatale how they almost always start

6:09

and you learn all this right away you

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learn who everyone is their relationships what's happened

6:13

Reed Richards is missing we get to travel

6:16

through this world and meet all the players

6:18

Ben Grimm is Alicia's assistant and husband he's

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regular human shaped or sized

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or whatever those words are and

6:24

then Namor is the cop who

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helps her out mckenzie was his name when

6:29

he had amnesia way back in the 60s

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and he's officer mckenzie johnny storm

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still has the mustache even in

6:35

this black and white noir world he's the

6:37

hotheaded younger brother definitely consistent thing through this

6:39

like you think that some part of him

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be like all right enough with the silly

6:44

mustache but i've just been because whenever you

6:46

change a character drastically and his character his

6:48

personality has changed along with the mustache he's

6:50

a mustache guy version he's not johnny storm

6:52

from before and i'm like it

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gives you a bit of a swagger with

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a mustache like that yeah but it's like

6:59

unearned confidence sure that turns into actual valuable

7:02

confidence it's kind of interesting i will say

7:04

that setting up all that stuff in the

7:06

beginning which fits with the genre

7:08

because it's about narrating sort of what's happening

7:10

it was a very wordy

7:13

prosaic bit of comic book and it

7:15

was like three or four pages of

7:17

that which i was kind of like it

7:19

wasn't bad i just noticed that i was like this

7:21

was a lot of talent yeah that's the genre so

7:23

he can do that for the genre and then the

7:25

reveal about where richards was the only thing i was

7:27

missing from this is i was kind of hoping that

7:29

dr doom would be just in this world not a

7:31

major part of it or the bad guy but just

7:33

like a character in the world but he wasn't when

7:35

they revealed where reed was i

7:38

laughed at the page turn reveal and he's

7:40

in this little vial it's tiny reed

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and then it's revealed it's a whole cosmic cube thing

7:44

and one of their you know dumb villains has a

7:46

cosmic cube and they beat him and i

7:48

say dumb because like he's not one of the

7:50

top tier guys trapster i don't remember

7:52

who it was i feel Like they were using

7:55

his real name and they called him pete and I

7:57

was like is this gonna be a paste pot pete

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thing right? Then. I. Really thought that

8:01

was what was gonna happen. I. Just loved

8:03

it all or lot other a Cosgrave as

8:05

as a terrific job of them. You know

8:07

it's all very sexy. I'm black and white

8:09

and has to subvert. Ah scholars, he's working

8:11

all and grayscale and in black and white.

8:13

Here in system it's a beautiful book. Yeah

8:16

I mean when the colors receive scene and then

8:18

when it when that their the scene where shops

8:20

use the cosmic cube to sort of or their

8:22

use it to reform it the universe in the

8:24

colors bleeding into characters. It. Is. A very

8:26

good looking book and again. Just

8:28

impressed that right north and so on. all to

8:30

ignore detective story in Libya to a pirate story

8:33

of he's using his characters for the malleable he.

8:35

To. To all kinds of

8:38

fun! Genre tales and no

8:40

one else in comics and addict who has

8:42

gig like this. He's a lot of freedom

8:44

to do whatever he wants basically. He's.

8:46

Almost doing with the form in a

8:48

single issue saying what Tom King is

8:50

doing with the for many twelve issue

8:53

maxi series Thing that makes sense like

8:55

it's is I'll do this genre here,

8:57

but he's doing them in a single

8:59

issue. I. Think my favorite fitness.

9:01

Because. It was unexpected because you're so

9:04

you get caught up in this world.

9:06

And. You're like okay, this is what it is now

9:08

and then when read. Make. You realize

9:10

that. And the it in

9:13

the art actually that you can just

9:15

see the great he's regular read their

9:17

yeah and he blew so when reed

9:19

is that know you'll realize it's connected

9:21

to the but we've been in before.

9:23

I liked that a lot. That said

9:25

when he breaks out of the thing

9:27

and he becomes period read with those

9:29

goggles. I really like that loud lover

9:31

else was story of the scanner the

9:33

centers for. but is it because of

9:35

firsts if chunk of right nor stories

9:37

worse short one and done to issues

9:39

but they were all leading to a

9:41

place. They were leading know what happens.

9:44

Wireless. And asked for an hour from New

9:46

York. Oh now we know now gonna

9:48

wait for the kids to come back like there was

9:50

like acts. Act one was why are they expel Why

9:52

the live in the Country act to was. Okay,

9:55

we know now we're waiting for the resolution of

9:57

the backs building in all of people returning to

9:59

their. The proper. Time. Where.

10:02

Next three now and I don't know.

10:04

Max. St. Louis another act and I don't

10:07

know if he's doing something else could we

10:09

haven't really thought was that or if it's

10:11

just telling stories and will go to eventually

10:13

and just train to think we're going to

10:15

be going somewhere they were not. But.

10:18

This is interesting. Is the most and

10:20

sing book on the stance on the big to

10:22

yeah yeah I'll give you that. To me it's

10:24

like the most impressive. I. Know

10:26

like everybody does, things are the

10:28

same way for the most part.

10:31

They think of their epic. Overarching

10:34

story. And then there and

10:36

five six issue chunks. You know any

10:38

can go on. misdeeds, Like.

10:41

Now. I'm gonna do four hundred different little

10:43

stories. And they're

10:45

all. So. Different from one another. I

10:48

think the best issue was that trapped in

10:50

space in that time yeah has really gone.

10:52

I think that was probably the most like

10:54

straight up Twilight Zone you know, Star Trek

10:56

kind of separate upside fi story and then

10:58

tie that back in the way that it

11:00

was going. I love that this is your

11:03

wasn't my favorite. It's really good and I

11:05

really liked it. I probably wouldn't made a

11:07

pick the week I wouldn't have, but when

11:09

I read a lot like O'connor's can Eat

11:11

this up with Us as a Fool and

11:13

and an Old Fashioned credits house Ross's well

11:15

the covers terrific. With Arsenal Pop novel

11:18

the next issue cover Ben Grimm

11:20

winner paper that name tag in

11:22

a press checker looking beaten. I'm

11:24

excited. I think it's worth noting because you had

11:26

said like you know we're talking about this book

11:29

again You know there have been. Era's

11:31

they've been, you know, sort of creative

11:33

runs. You know, in our time doing

11:35

this show for thousand years? You know

11:37

when there's a special book? And

11:40

were watching a special run. Oddly enough, dance

11:42

lot doing this before. that was also a

11:44

special run. In a couple hundred

11:46

as word era. But we lived in a

11:49

fantastic for wasteland for ever. yes the most

11:51

of my life. You know people couldn't figure

11:53

it out like Superman so. Yeah. i

11:55

mean it it really is a thing in it

11:57

if you're connor and i and you have to

12:00

me a pick every time and there's a thing

12:02

like, it's this again. I don't

12:04

want to talk about it again, but there's usually a

12:06

clear line where you just go, that's the best one.

12:08

That is the calling, nature of the pick, is that

12:10

you have to be true to the pick no matter

12:12

what the book is even if the book is some

12:14

pick that may be done so far. Yeah,

12:17

it just is. Almost

12:19

Action Comics 1064 from Josh Williamson,

12:21

Rafa Sandoval, Andres Andres, and Dave

12:23

Sharp. I like

12:25

the fact that there were several reasons why

12:28

it shouldn't be and also

12:31

because I picked the first Action Comics from Jason there and

12:33

I didn't want to make it a pattern of picking the

12:35

first arc because I guess Action's going to be all about

12:38

this anthology of creative teams. I

12:41

really enjoyed this a lot.

12:44

I did not like that they brought the family back. I

12:47

mean, I don't like Lobo, I don't like 100 Lobos and

12:50

the opening scene was a little too cute

12:52

by half with Lois, actually she just moved

12:54

from Metropolis from Ohio and it was really

12:56

kind of annoying. That first bit I

12:58

had to readjust because I was like, this is dumb. And then

13:00

I was like, for me. I

13:03

thought, oh, are we going to do this thing, make it fun, other

13:05

people would enjoy

13:08

this. But then I got into it. I got

13:10

over it and I was like, this

13:12

is fun, Superman high five and the kid. It

13:14

was almost like they were clearly building up like

13:16

this. Everyone's having a great

13:19

day. Clark's showing up for yoga and he's

13:21

totally dork about it and that's perfect. And

13:23

then a million Brainiac robots and Lobos show

13:25

up and they just ruins everything. And then

13:27

they got super, I thought,

13:29

exciting and fun and big summer

13:31

blockbuster-y. And I think that interesting

13:33

things happened with Lex. Brainiac

13:36

has become this character Superman where when

13:38

he shows up, it's a bad situation.

13:41

The reveal that Lex was not responsible for

13:43

the Lex hologram that it was Brainiac the

13:45

entire time was interesting. This is going through

13:48

all the books. It continues in the Superman

13:50

issue next time, which Josh Williamson is the

13:52

writer of. This is sort of like a Superman

13:54

mini event. It worked for me. By the time I

13:56

got to the end and there was a million Brainiacs,

13:59

I was like, oh, shit. And I

14:01

thought this was a tour of Superman and that

14:03

Rapha Sonova was great. The pages were really full

14:06

of chaos and action. It changes

14:08

too. Like there's a double page

14:10

spread, seven pages, and where Superman's

14:13

flying and it's a double page

14:16

spread, which we complained about two weeks ago. But

14:19

he's flying with seagulls, the shittiest

14:21

of all birds. Oh, I

14:23

know. But it still makes it work. And then he sort

14:25

of surfs through the water and he's looking up at the

14:27

sky. And to me, it reminded me

14:30

of a, this will be ironic, like an

14:32

Astro City cover. Right. Yeah.

14:34

That looks like that kind of thing that

14:36

Kurt Busick and Alex Ross and Brent Interson

14:38

always tried to display about what is great

14:40

about Superman. I remember what it was I

14:42

didn't like about the beginning. This only thing

14:45

is that she leaves a note that says

14:47

Lois's first day off in years, leave me

14:49

alone, and then goes wandering

14:51

into a crowd of every single person

14:53

she's ever met. And I was like,

14:55

I don't think you know what leave me alone means. Because

14:57

I'll show you how to do that. Right. I

15:00

just thought that was weird. There was a couple of times

15:02

where I don't think I'd looked at the credit and I

15:04

was like, who drew this? Because there

15:06

are really wonderful panels through the whole

15:09

thing. And like, so Clark shows up

15:11

in the park to do yoga and

15:13

he's got like his Smallville sweatshirt on

15:15

and his headband. And

15:18

I was like, what a great panel. And

15:20

it's super goofy. He's a dork. It's

15:23

a great drawing. And we've talked about

15:25

this a ton. A younger version of me

15:27

would be like, oh, this is stupid. But like, I want

15:29

to lean into that. You know, like,

15:31

let's have fun with it. Let's let it be silly.

15:33

And you're right. That all leads into this really

15:36

great reversal of, you know, all of the energy

15:38

that wanted to be a goofy goes into being

15:40

having it be sinister. You know, and it starts

15:42

right on that. Is it on that same page?

15:44

It's on the same page where he's like, same

15:46

page. Yep. He's goofy. Yoga

15:49

dork. And then the last panel is like, get to safety

15:51

now. And then the very serious face and he just turns on a dime and

15:53

it has really well done. Yes. He liked

15:55

that as a narrative moment. And you're right.

15:57

That's great. I didn't even recognize it. the

16:00

bottom sort of, you know, eighth of the

16:02

page in those two panels and you realize

16:04

he's serious, you know, and they

16:06

do that with lettering. Yeah. Yeah, it's good

16:08

stuff. Good job, Dave Sharp. Yeah,

16:11

you got to give credit where it's due. He like

16:13

he nailed that moment. He made that work. By

16:16

the time I got to the end of this, I was really excited for the next issue.

16:18

And that's how I was like, Oh, is it going to be action comics again? But it

16:21

wasn't. It couldn't

16:23

have been because you can't go for a bizarro

16:25

book and then be okay with a Lobo book.

16:28

That's what I thought too. I was like, Oh

16:30

man, do I do a bizarro in Lobo? Look

16:32

at this. This is gross. Well, yeah, I guess

16:34

it is. It is. Transformers

16:36

7, the newish era, new arc,

16:39

new artist on Transformers. Danny

16:41

Warren Johnson is still writing about

16:43

Jorge Corona, who often

16:45

works with Scottie Young, is now the artist. I'm

16:48

looking for the proper app that has it. It's in this

16:50

one. And I actually really liked it.

16:53

Although didn't love it, but I

16:55

liked it. These all feel short. I

16:57

really enjoy them, but they all feel like they're over

16:59

instantly, which I understand because the art is very kinetic.

17:02

And so you spend a lot of time moving quickly.

17:05

And so you get to the end. There is

17:07

a little bit of like, I feel like I

17:09

want to be a little further in the narrative.

17:11

Yes. But I also think that

17:13

we're spending a lot of time with their, let's

17:15

say their feelings, which we

17:17

kind of are. They're spending an inordinate amount

17:19

of time where you're getting to know how

17:24

the Autobots are good and

17:27

empathetic. And then the

17:29

Decepticons are awful. This is the

17:31

one with the Starscream and Soundwave.

17:33

Yeah. Yeah. This is the fight

17:35

for control and supremacy of the

17:37

Decepticons between Starscream and Soundwave and

17:39

the brutal sort of prison beat

17:41

down of Starscream. And it all

17:43

goes back to last issue where

17:45

we talked about where Starscream kicked

17:47

Ravage across the room. And that's

17:50

like, that's like Soundwave's kid. You don't

17:52

do that. He says my Ravage too,

17:54

doesn't he? Yeah. He has a- He

17:56

has my Ravage. What's the- Laser beaks.

17:58

Laser beaks. Lazerby, he, Lazerby plucks

18:01

out Starscream's eye and brings it to sound

18:03

waves. I was like, Jesus. Also

18:06

a nice touch here was Optimus

18:08

Prime has Megatron's arm with the gun on it.

18:10

And so when he's in truck form, which I'm

18:12

not even gonna think about how that works. Oh,

18:15

yeah. Part of the truck is gray. Oh,

18:17

because the exhaust,

18:19

the smoke stacks, whatever

18:22

they are, like the exhausts are both on his arms

18:24

and now that the other one's not there. So you

18:26

got the big scope. At age 19, you can see

18:28

the side of the truck on that side. The back

18:30

corner is gray. I love it. I

18:32

love that they were like, don't try to square the

18:34

size. Right. Honestly, when

18:37

I was a kid, it used to drive me

18:39

insane, not like angry, but I just was like,

18:41

I was trying to wrap my head around it.

18:43

And I think in retrospect, it is so brilliant

18:46

that they just were like, we're not dealing with that. It's

18:48

the best way to do it. It's a time travel. If

18:50

you try to explain time travel, the movie breaks. But

18:53

also, if they don't do that, then nothing works.

18:56

Because the toys made that impossible.

18:58

They stuck to the form, which was the right thing

19:00

because it was the form of the toys that you

19:02

were in love with first and foremost. Okay. Correct. There

19:05

was worry that when Daniel

19:07

Warren Johnson left the art duties of this

19:09

book, that it would suffer. And it's not

19:11

the same. My first instinct when I was

19:14

reading it though, I was like, this looks

19:16

really good. And it is certainly of a

19:18

piece. So sometimes they choose a completely different

19:20

direction to go. And sometimes they choose a

19:22

similar track. And obviously they're doing the latter

19:24

here. And it lends a very organic feel

19:26

to these characters because they're robots and they're

19:28

angular. And by doing the way that they're

19:30

doing here, it's not unlike how they did

19:32

the Lego in the Lego movies. Like they

19:34

moved, they could have mode, they can change,

19:37

they keep everything stiff. They did in certain ways,

19:39

but they could still do everything that they needed

19:41

to. However, I found several

19:43

instances during this where I thought that there

19:45

was unclear moments in the storytelling. I'm looking

19:48

for instances of it. There was one for

19:50

me. Yeah, there was a couple of them

19:52

and there was certain there was something in

19:54

the fight where I was like, I cannot

19:56

tell. Page 10 where Soundwave, what I finally

19:59

figured out backhand. fans, Starscream, but

20:01

it took me a while to figure out what I was looking at.

20:04

Yeah. Yeah. It's

20:06

a different thing. It doesn't have that

20:08

manic crazy dynamism that Jenny Warren Johnson

20:10

can bring. It doesn't have the intense

20:12

wrestling choreographed fights, but I like Corey

20:15

Cornell. He's great. I

20:17

mean, he's doing a very difficult job. I

20:19

did notice that making the effort to put

20:21

in as much of the onomatopoeia,

20:23

you know, sound effects on the board as possible

20:25

with those like, he's not drawing these. This

20:28

is lettering. This is coming from that. And

20:31

that's fine. You know, if you think about the job

20:33

that an artist on this book has to do

20:35

to draw these

20:37

robots incredibly detailed, and

20:40

then make them alive and be

20:42

really dynamic in the action, it

20:45

might take them a little bit to catch up. I'm not gonna, I'm

20:47

not gonna write it off, but there were definitely some

20:49

storytelling problems, but I think it's probably a lot to

20:51

get your head around. So I'll watch that. I'll see.

20:54

But you know, it's one of those things that comic book storytelling, you

20:56

don't know when it's working. You only know when

20:58

it's not working. And even then you might not be sure. Right. And

21:01

you know, Daniel Warren Johnson, like, I can't remember having that

21:03

complaint. This is just like that one more

21:05

thing. Yes, it's a good story. And it looks

21:08

amazing. It's exciting. But also you have no

21:10

problem reading it. That's that sort of, you know,

21:12

final thing that makes something great. It

21:14

is interesting that we are so not that far

21:16

along. And these interdron stories really. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

21:18

But it feels like we've been reading them forever.

21:21

Yes. And then they're just

21:23

teasing out Megatron. It's

21:25

got to be a big moment for his return

21:27

because he's just... This is the opposite of Ryan

21:30

North. This is that you have like four series.

21:32

Right. That are just like dripping it out.

21:35

Not yet. It does. It feels like we're

21:37

still in some version of the cold open.

21:40

Yeah. Like there's like four different cold...

21:42

They haven't left those ships that crashed. The

21:44

ships crashed. They didn't really go far from them to

21:46

fight. They fought for six issues and then they stole

21:49

those ships. Dark space is dungeon

21:51

number five. The final issue of the Scott

21:53

Snyder Hayden Sherman miniseries.

21:56

What did you think? This will

21:58

be one of y'all. I'll give an extra spoiler. because I

22:00

don't think there's a way to talk about it. Yeah, you

22:02

gotta spoil it. So, you know, skip a couple of minutes.

22:04

Skip it if you're looking to read it. They

22:07

teased in the last issue, they

22:09

dropped a clue that the

22:11

villain... What was the clue? I forget

22:13

what it was, but it was... Oh, it was

22:15

in the hospital, right? The guy, the tech giant

22:18

guy said something, oh, we're real good

22:20

at this, and either they'd referred to

22:22

the villain doing that or it was very obvious, and

22:24

I thought, oh, that's the kind of... And

22:26

I kind of wrote it off and forgot about it,

22:28

and then... So in this one, the victim kid guy

22:31

shows up at the house and he's just bummed, he's

22:33

not doing well, and then finally

22:35

he looks up and he's like, it was you. And

22:38

I thought that that was really well done,

22:40

the approach to that moment. Yeah. Because

22:43

you thought, oh, that guy, you know, I'd kind of

22:45

forgotten about the other thing. I was like, I guess

22:47

that's not what they're doing, you know, and he's just

22:49

beaten up and he's having a hard time. And that

22:51

makes sense, you know, like, work for the character. That's

22:53

the end. So this issue is the rescue of the

22:55

sun from the dungeon. They kill the bad guy in

22:58

the mask who's been keeping everybody in the dungeons. There's

23:00

never a moment where the mask is pulled off and you see who it

23:02

is. Not that you would know who he is, but

23:04

still. Yeah. I thought that was interesting because he

23:07

gets shot and he falls down. You see him face

23:09

down in the back of his head. He was shot by

23:11

the tech guy. But you never see

23:13

the mask come off. I thought that was a really interesting

23:15

sort of commentary. It's not till page 18

23:17

on My Ready Reader, where it's two months

23:19

later where what you're talking about happens, where

23:21

the cop shows up at the... I guess that's what stuck with me.

23:25

Yeah, he's like not feeling better. He's thinking

23:27

they're not going well for him. Can't get

23:29

over it. There's other dungeons out there. We

23:31

find out he's really upset because he's figured out

23:33

that the tech guy is the real... And

23:36

he has to build up to the moment where

23:38

he can say a thing. Dungeon Master? Yeah, I mean,

23:40

that's what it is, basically. This is all a game. What's the target

23:42

door guy saying? The Keep. The Keep?

23:44

Yeah, he doesn't get a name. And this is

23:46

it, like, this is classic. Is this the last issue?

23:48

Yes, oh, totally, yeah. This is the... This

23:51

is the end. It had to be. It

23:53

had to be a bummer of an ending. Like, there's no

23:55

way everybody can be happily ever after, but I was so

23:58

like... It bummed me out. It

24:00

was a real bummer and I finished and I

24:02

thought, okay. Evil

24:04

wins. The way the story was written, there was no other way the

24:06

story could have ended. No. However,

24:10

I don't know if I needed to be that thumbed out

24:12

at the end of it. It was pretty bad. It's a

24:14

downer. It's a downer. The guy ends up

24:16

back in the cage and says the end. And

24:18

like he's evil. Yeah, this guy. You

24:21

know, this crazy evil and then it's like this

24:23

guy gives his own son. Yeah. The

24:26

depiction of the blocks that

24:28

are in, it's just, God. Yeah. What

24:31

a fucked up thought to have that

24:33

that, or it's just like one

24:35

of those things like you recognize your anxiety or

24:38

your fear or something, you put it in the

24:40

form of a story. What a terrifying, like you

24:42

just think about these like hard elements

24:44

that you can't control that move, you

24:47

know, specifically at will to torture people

24:49

for unending amounts of time. It's

24:52

just. And the thing

24:54

is the last one we read about

24:56

the convict firefighters had a happy ending.

24:58

Not a totally happy ending, but had a happy

25:00

ending. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, they got the. The

25:02

hero survived and she beat the bad guys and everyone

25:04

else had died, but she survived. This went the

25:06

other way. I was like, Oh, geez. Yeah,

25:09

it's rough. I was bummed. And I'm not complaining. I

25:11

get it. I was impressed that he did it, but

25:14

like also, man, I was like, Oh, Scott. And

25:16

it was a good mini series. It was a really, it was a

25:18

really good book. I don't like these kinds of books. I

25:21

don't like the bummer ending, but it

25:23

was captivating. It was a page Turner.

25:25

Maybe one more issue. I

25:29

don't know. When the reveal happened here,

25:31

I thought, yes, obviously, but also kind

25:34

of out of nowhere. But also that's

25:36

the five issue. I did it like maybe instead

25:38

of one more issue, like another five to 10

25:40

pages. Maybe. You know,

25:43

like an exercise, you know, sick five on the end of

25:45

the last two stories or something like that. I know that

25:47

is not how the form works, but that's probably the way

25:49

to whip gone. The ones we've read have been that Scott's

25:51

written have been good. Yeah. No,

25:54

he's been in our real tear for sure. But

25:56

man, I was like, Oh, Right?

26:01

Yeah. Totally. Scott, read The

26:03

Room. I think

26:07

The Room is really into depressing

26:09

shit, so fair enough.

26:11

It's a Ted Lasso world, though. You

26:13

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27:47

we haven't talked about Green Lantern in a while, but I

27:49

want to mention Green Lantern 10 for

27:51

two reasons. This issue is a

27:53

backup story that's tied into the action comic

27:55

story. That's called House of Brainiac, which

27:57

is the story title. This is a House of Brainiac

27:59

tie-in backup. up. Look at that murderer's row

28:01

of artists written by Jeremy Adams,

28:04

John, by Kevin McGuire. And

28:06

Rosemary Cheetham is still coloring him. I don't

28:08

know why it's been a

28:10

problem for like 15 years. I

28:12

think it might be time to accept it. Old

28:14

men like me will remember that Kevin McGuire drew

28:16

the big confrontation between Guy Gardner and Lobo back

28:19

in Justice League when Lobo hit him and he

28:21

next week turned sweet for a while. Then he

28:23

got bit by a rat, hit his head, and

28:25

he became a jerk. And anyway, that backups about

28:27

Guy Gardner being sent off to find Lobo because

28:29

he's missing on this whole mini Lobo thing that's

28:31

happening on earth. Turns out he's undercover

28:33

wrestling. He's wrestling against that alien Hulk Hogan that we

28:35

first saw in Jeremy Adams' Flash. I enjoyed the backup

28:37

even if the callers are always f***ing up to the

28:39

art. I just want to mention

28:42

I've been really enjoying Green Lantern the whole way through

28:44

for the most part, especially when Armanico, when was Armanico,

28:46

draws it. I

28:48

think it really sings when he's on the art.

28:50

And you know, the story is really fun. There's

28:52

this rogue organization that's taken over the Green Lantern

28:54

Corps. They're now called the United Planet Corps and

28:56

all the earth lanterns are sort of on the

28:59

run. Their rings don't really work. And

29:01

this issue is team up between Hal and

29:03

Simon Baz and what's her name? Joe, the

29:06

new one. No idea. They have to go

29:08

rescue Kelly, the little Brazilian girl that we

29:10

saw briefly, however many years ago in

29:12

that book, who's like being held captive by these

29:14

bad guys. Like it's just almost like you're taking

29:16

the heroes, you're depowering them, you're putting them behind

29:18

enemy lines and you're sort of having to survive.

29:20

I've just been really enjoying this book. It's been

29:22

really fun. Hal, I like seeing with everybody. Oh,

29:24

Kyle's there. He's kind of broken. Sounds like a

29:26

bummer. It's like that

29:29

moment in the war movie where they got to rescue their buddy

29:31

and they got to get out. And

29:33

it's just been really interesting to see them in

29:35

this situation. Hermonica is a hell of an artist.

29:37

He did like that shield book with James

29:39

Robinson. Is that right? No,

29:42

that was like, Oh, hey, it was another

29:44

like, No, that was another

29:46

mononomial person, I believe. Oh,

29:49

yes. Yes. Yes. Not Hermonica,

29:51

yes. Not Hermonica though. It's different.

29:53

That's a different day. His name was

29:55

like, ha. Terrific

29:57

artist. Velasco pages are by Hermonica. Okay, no off

29:59

end. He was good, but not as good as

30:02

Ramon so those pages were kind of a drop

30:04

off. But I just really enjoyed Green Lantern and

30:06

I just wanted to mention that. That's all. Have

30:08

you been all along? I dropped off at some

30:10

point and I wasn't having fun with it. But

30:12

have you been into it the whole time? Yeah,

30:15

yeah. You know, I started off with this sort of

30:17

Sinestro story and you know, it slowly morphed into the

30:19

story where the Green Lantern Corps has been taken over

30:21

and the people in charge are bad

30:23

and they're using it for nefarious purposes. So the

30:26

1 million Earth Lanterns are coming together to sort of

30:28

save the day. I've been enjoying it. ACO,

30:30

ACO or ASSO. ACO. ACO, I

30:32

guess. That was second. Not AOC.

30:36

Nope. She might moonlight as a comic artist. You

30:39

don't know. It's possible.

30:41

I read Nate Popmole by number two, recommender

30:43

Bengal, a lot of one-name artists. Do

30:46

you picture a tiger? Yeah,

30:48

so I've read Sir Moogus. I definitely read number one

30:50

and I definitely didn't remember a single

30:52

thing about it. I actually

30:55

didn't either and I kind

30:57

of was cool with that because

30:59

I didn't really love the first issue but I

31:01

thought this was, I guess, a setup

31:03

to it. Like, it didn't really tell us

31:05

anything. So as we got into this one, this was

31:07

the one that sort of like showed me the world,

31:09

who these people are and what they were going for

31:12

and I was cool with that. Yes, I quite enjoyed

31:14

this. The first couple pages I was going,

31:16

oh no, I don't remember anything about this at all. I really

31:18

didn't remember a thing either. It was more than normal. I was

31:20

like, who are these annoying kids and why aren't they terrible? Are

31:22

they the real villains of this book? But

31:24

by the end, you have an understanding of the world and what

31:27

they're trying to do and the stakes. Like, I

31:29

thought it was really well done in terms of one

31:31

single issue, resetting. You

31:34

know, there was a whole thing in TV where it

31:36

was like the first five issues of the show

31:38

to constantly reset the premise because people

31:41

are joining it late. That was the old days

31:43

of people would join their show late. And so this felt

31:45

like kind of like that in comic

31:47

form where he was reselling the premise and reintroducing

31:49

the characters. It worked because I did not remember

31:51

this book even existed, obviously. No,

31:53

I didn't. I had a look and I was like, what's

31:55

this one? I was like, all right. It was a New

31:57

Remender book. And what I also thought was interesting is, you

31:59

know. Rick's usually saying something about himself

32:01

or about others and so I was trying to

32:03

figure out what that was I think he's saying

32:06

that the young people are awful That's what I

32:08

think he's saying here because their own people are

32:10

awful But in this one it's the old guy

32:12

who was obsessed with the past It isn't doing

32:14

anything is the roadblock and they're like no we

32:16

have to do something You know and by the

32:18

way their apartment and house lived looked awesome It

32:21

had a bunch of shit everywhere fucker burned it these are

32:23

the villains of the story. I'm kind of rooting for them

32:25

to die I Thought

32:29

they were making the old man get on with life By

32:32

burning starry night fuck that kid.

32:35

I didn't think that that was an original Yes, that's the

32:37

whole point is they've been saving the artifacts of the past.

32:39

Okay, so those old toys in two I did

32:41

like it though. Yeah, I did. Yeah, I've always

32:44

liked Bengal Bengal's worked a lot with Remender

32:46

and I didn't read it But there's a preview

32:48

in the back for remember his next series grommets

32:50

Which she's writing with Brian Proseine because he's Hollywood

32:52

recommender now You know groms are skateboarding groms are

32:54

basically what at least at one point they would

32:57

call like kids who are involved in action sports

32:59

So if you see like a little kid on

33:01

the mountain bike, there's a grom or like, you

33:03

know, that's what anyway takes place in the 80s

33:06

I love deadly class. I'm really excited for that. I

33:08

didn't read the preview. I just saw like two pages

33:10

of it I said, oh nice not three factoid. I

33:12

picked up news radio I've been trying to finish it

33:14

because I hadn't gotten there and I'm putting it off

33:16

the closer we get to the end of That one

33:19

character and there is a press conference and

33:21

in the audience Was Brian

33:23

post ain who asked one question like way

33:25

back and then for some reason Ron Jeremy

33:27

who had no lines Another

33:29

book that was almost pick of the week and I just

33:31

was like I can't was amazing spider-man 941 or 47 Zebwells

33:35

Todd and walk on guest art duties.

33:38

We talked about the last time Terrific

33:40

issue previously the cover cliffhanger was

33:42

Ben Riley and his creepy

33:45

girlfriend houses Actually like

33:47

her power though where she puts on a mask and becomes

33:49

that thing So it's like a Halloween costume come to life.

33:51

I kind of like that as a power. It's a

33:53

good patron power again Look at

33:55

what's happening bizarro

33:59

Lobo Oh, I don't like

34:01

the ride. I think her power's cool. Everyone chill.

34:03

Listen, you're opening the door. Old Connor would have

34:05

been like, I'm not reading this as stupid. Takeaway

34:07

had been Riley cold open. I loved

34:09

Peter's awkward date with a nurse from the previous

34:12

issue. I loved when Pete

34:14

had to run out on a date, classic Spider-Man to

34:16

go save Betty Brandt. And he

34:19

becomes who he can occasionally

34:21

unleash is fucking terrifying. Spider-Man.

34:24

If you fuck with his old friends, he

34:26

does not quip and he will beat you into

34:28

pulp. And that's basically what happens here. And even

34:30

Betty's like, whoa, what's wrong with you? He's like,

34:33

you screwed with my friends. You don't get

34:35

jokes. I thought it was really good sequence where

34:37

he skates her and then, you

34:39

know, Ben Riley shows up and I

34:42

thought the date and the Betty's seat are terrific.

34:45

And then the red shield goblin. Goblin

34:47

queen, queen goblin. Whatever. You

34:49

know what? And all the other thing is this, and

34:51

this has been, I guess a theme this week is

34:53

I was like, who's drawn this? This is beautiful. Todd

34:56

and Nock who haven't seen in a while. The only

34:58

problem with Todd Nock in here is that he does

35:00

a lot of veteran artists. Peter went on this date

35:02

and he's running away and I was like, oh, he

35:04

has a work polo tucked into his pants. How

35:07

fucking old is this guy? She

35:10

should have been like, I made a huge

35:12

error here. I'm sorry. One

35:14

of the best beats in it was is he

35:16

starts to run away. I gotta go. I'm sorry.

35:18

So this person, and then he goes, I like you a lot.

35:21

And I thought that was a really good

35:23

line, but then it totally undercut by three

35:25

minutes later. It was like, Oh yeah, they

35:27

left her with the bill. And I was

35:29

like, Oh, good. That hurt. That was like

35:31

John Favreau leaving those messages. Oh, stop. Stop.

35:33

Stop. I have PTSD

35:35

from that scene. Yeah. I thought

35:37

from the date through the rescue, I was loving

35:39

life. I thought this was a terrific spider man.

35:41

I mean, look at that shot of Peter swinging

35:44

on page 13. I think Todd and

35:46

Nock was a terrific spider man. It was a little lanky,

35:48

but I like it. Not like

35:50

that. That works. That Peter swinging is

35:53

like some weird, perfect amalgamation

35:55

of McFarland and Ramita senior.

35:59

Look at that. Yeah, look at the curve.

36:01

There's a curve that goes around his arms.

36:03

It's like a perfect C shape And then

36:06

there's another one in his legs sort of

36:08

going opposite with the webs going around it.

36:10

That's composition my friends That is quality and

36:13

then look in it. It goes into the background.

36:15

There's the vanishing point. So you really see It's

36:17

really not the buildings look the buildings are curved in

36:19

a natural way He's a veteran and he just oh,

36:22

yeah does not work enough or I don't know my

36:24

B is he doesn't work enough for I see And

36:26

it's all about me at the end of the day. Well, that means

36:28

that he's not getting hired for the Connor

36:31

only reads top tier shit. Maybe he's doing other

36:33

really lucrative work that I'm not aware of. Well,

36:36

that's very possible Here

36:38

we are. I'm gonna be talking about aliens What if

36:40

number two which was one of those like do

36:42

I need to read this? I was like, I'm not the first

36:45

one to get you did we did and I but I was

36:47

like it wasn't that good And I was like and it got

36:49

there. I was like I am gonna read it and Can

36:52

wacky shit I came around like it was

36:54

just one story or yes one

36:56

story five issues five writers So if this

36:58

is a thing it all right, this is

37:00

written this comic page each this comic

37:02

book is written by Hans Rodian off

37:05

and Leon Reiser and then

37:07

credit for the ideas I guess

37:09

is Paul Reiser who played this

37:11

character in the movie Adam F

37:13

Goldberg TV writer, you know Didn't

37:15

the Goldbergs and then Brian Volk Weiss a

37:18

name I'd never heard before until the nacelle

37:20

verse was a thing and our friend Jim

37:22

Biscardi told me that like he's a very

37:25

Popular toy collector slash television producer like these

37:27

kind of some heavy hitters here on this

37:29

like dumb story So do you get a

37:31

comic if you're a toy collector, dude, I

37:33

don't know. I think he's more than that

37:35

Well, yeah, obviously he just did but he's

37:37

made toy collecting into a whole thing. I

37:39

don't know Already knew all about

37:42

it. You can ask him sounds like him the

37:44

deal is here is that it's what if Reiser's

37:46

character for millions didn't die Right,

37:48

which is absurd if anything had to happen in a

37:50

movie that guy had to die or he'd be like

37:52

I Clinton in Tombstone He just would either way he

37:55

comes back. He gets banished to some stupid

37:57

world that you tiny basically put

37:59

some It's not unlike happened to Vic Mackey and the

38:01

Shield. And his life

38:03

sucks, his daughter hates him, and

38:05

he salvages an old replicant.

38:07

And there's a very funny scene with the replicant.

38:09

He sends the replicant off to find him a

38:11

living xenomorph egg. And the replicant's like, there's a

38:14

great scene there. The replicant's like, you'll probably be

38:16

dead by the time I get back. And he's

38:18

like, it's all right, it's all right. And so

38:20

years later he comes back and he has an

38:22

egg. And he's got some idea about curing cancer

38:24

or something. But he has to find

38:26

somebody to implant the egg in. So they're going through an

38:28

office trying to find the worst person they can put in

38:30

a room with a replicant egg. And they

38:32

do, and that's the end of the issue. And I was like, all

38:34

right. We've said a lot of stuff.

38:36

We've been talking about alien comics a lot. And it's

38:38

like the story always goes the same way. It's

38:41

just like, this seems to be an alien's

38:43

comedy. And I haven't seen that genre before.

38:46

And let's be completely frank here. The Paul

38:48

Reiser in this is not the character from

38:50

the movie. This is Paul Reiser. This

38:53

is like the sitcom TV version of Paul Reiser. Was

38:55

Paul Reiser mad about you? I don't know.

38:58

I mean, maybe. I didn't watch the show

39:00

enough to tell you. But it's not dramatic

39:02

Paul Reiser. Is that Diner Paul Reiser? No.

39:06

It's the comedian for sure. Is it Paul Reiser

39:08

from Beverly Hills Cop? Is he constantly not in

39:10

the right office? I don't remember that. Like

39:13

I vaguely remember it. This is not my office.

39:16

This is not my locker. I

39:18

really enjoyed last week's aliens black and white issue.

39:21

Yeah. Oh yeah. That was, yeah.

39:24

That's been a great series. It's a golden

39:26

age for aliens comics. Who would have thought?

39:29

Josh living his best alien life. So those

39:31

are the books we want to talk about. But at patreon.com/I

39:34

fanboy, every patron of the show could vote to add a

39:36

book to the rundown this week

39:38

by overwhelming numbers. The

39:40

winner was Uncanny Valley. Number one from

39:42

Boom Studios written by Tony Fleeks. Art

39:45

by Dave Wachter. Flees. Flees.

39:49

Was it Fleek? Somebody wrote in. I believe he's, nope,

39:51

I'm not even gonna say it. I don't remember. Somebody

39:53

wrote in and told us how to say it. And

39:55

now I don't remember. And I don't think you do

39:58

either. So we just went back to saying what. I

40:00

think this is fooling. I don't know. It

40:02

feels like a squeeze to me. That could be. Fleece.

40:06

I'm used to calling Tony. Fat brusso

40:08

on letters. He's always fooling people or

40:10

providing lightweight warmth. So, this

40:14

is a story of a

40:16

boy who has very interesting

40:18

heritage, or at least heritage,

40:21

what she discovers to this issue. And

40:23

I definitely wouldn't have read this without the

40:25

patron pick. Same. But I

40:28

really enjoyed it. Same. I thought it

40:30

was really unusual. I don't think I've ever read a story

40:32

like this. We see this every single

40:34

time he shows up, but Dave Wachter is terrific.

40:37

And doing like multiple styles too. Yeah.

40:39

He's a great artist. And Tony Fleece, who is

40:42

the co-writer and artist on the terrific local man book

40:44

with Tim Seeley over at Image, is a very good

40:46

writer. I finished this and I was like, wow, I've

40:48

never read a story like that, ever. I've been reading

40:50

comics for 40 years. I've never read a

40:52

book like that. Actually, yes,

40:55

but no. There was two things that

40:57

it reminded me of. First of all, I wish very much,

40:59

and nobody could help this. Spoilers, by the way. There's no

41:01

way to talk about this without spoiling the big twist. I

41:04

wish that the cover hadn't told me anything.

41:07

I wish that I had read this as a straight up story. It

41:11

kind of worked, because the cover told me one thing.

41:13

And then I started reading it and I was like,

41:15

this is a 90s after school special. And

41:18

there's a twist that happens, and there are some breadcrumbs

41:20

they leave. Suffice it, I'll get out of the way,

41:23

is that it turns out that this kid who is

41:25

the son of a single mother, we find out that

41:27

her father is more or less Yosemite

41:29

Sam. And so you

41:33

said there's nothing like this. And I was like,

41:35

well, there's a lot of Roger Rabbit in this,

41:37

which is sort of the first thing I ever thought that

41:39

did that. But that's just like the cartoon stuff

41:42

mixing with the real world, which is

41:44

just an awesome concept. This

41:47

is the fallout of Cool World

41:49

or Roger Rabbit of humans banging

41:51

cartoons. This is the fallout. Do

41:53

you remember that Garth Ennis story,

41:55

the wacky racist book? And

41:59

in it, the president. and everybody just started

42:01

turning into cartoons because of some dimensional rift

42:03

or something like that and like wacky cartoon

42:05

that started happening to regular people. And this

42:08

was a better version of that because it

42:10

started with real human people. That whole thing

42:12

was a farce. But this one started off

42:14

with, I mean, what was really sort of

42:17

well-written and produced family drama. Right. So the

42:19

kid is new in town and his two

42:23

friends cut class, beautifully drawn. Look at the

42:25

painted colors on the trees. I love Dave

42:27

Lopter. So they're cutting class and he's the

42:29

new kid. They're making him come along. He doesn't want to do

42:31

it. They go to a bridge and they're going to jump off and

42:33

he's going to jump off. And the whole like, you actually did the

42:35

whole jump off the bridge thing. Like that was really funny with the

42:37

mom. Yes, it was. She was more

42:39

concerned with him being a cliche than anything else. They

42:42

jump off the bridge and the two kids break

42:44

their legs and he falls into the earth and

42:46

makes a human-shaped hole like in a cartoon and

42:48

a bunch of cartoon bluebirds fly around his head.

42:50

And that's the first indication that something is off

42:52

here. I didn't notice the birds, but that should

42:54

have been a bigger clue than it was for

42:56

me. I was like, what are those soft leaves?

42:58

So I was like, that's a weird way to

43:00

draw that. Soft mud. I literally, I just thought

43:02

I was like, that was depicted oddly. And I

43:04

just didn't put it together. And then there's something,

43:06

there was another thing that happened, but he was

43:08

watching TV and a bird flew out of it

43:10

and again, left the bird shaped hole in the thing,

43:12

which is a classic Connor

43:14

joke, by the way, is

43:16

leaving a whoever shaped hole. I

43:19

love that joke. There's

43:21

some other clue that happens slightly before

43:23

that, that I sort of started

43:25

to get it. And I thought it was

43:27

going to be because we don't know who his dad is. I

43:30

thought we're going to find his dad was a

43:32

cartoon, but then they sort of twisted it and

43:34

they turned out that the mom is written. We

43:36

don't know who the dad is because that could

43:38

still be a thing. Obviously. The mom, I thought

43:40

was a terrifically written and conceived character. She seems

43:42

real. She was drawn very real. She was a

43:45

real human body. I

43:47

don't know how to describe this without feeling weird,

43:49

but like she was drawn as like a real

43:51

adult. And she was like, you know, a pretty

43:53

nurse, but not like a supermodel. Although she's

43:56

a traveling nurse, they would be doing okay. Cause those

43:58

nurses get paid a lot of money. Yeah, but you

44:00

wouldn't have a house. Well, I think they're probably

44:02

just renting it because they're traveling. Yeah, no, I get

44:04

it. But it's like a lived-in place. But whatever. No,

44:06

no, I'm saying they're like, they're worried about money, but

44:09

like, those nurses could pay the hell of a lot

44:11

of money to travel around the country. Single moms. Hard

44:13

to be. I thought that the reveal with the crows

44:15

was really cool. Yeah. Because

44:17

you see them, and then you see them from the

44:19

back, and they just look at crows, and it's like,

44:22

oh, that's creepy. And then the next time you see

44:24

them, you start to see their faces, and they're like,

44:27

you don't quite recognize that they're cartoony, but the lines around

44:29

them are different than the lines around everything else, and the

44:31

color around them. They could be cartoony, but also they could

44:33

just be complicated. It's hard to tell until the reveal. Right.

44:35

But if you look at like, they

44:38

are stark black, and

44:40

everything else is shaded, and they

44:42

are like the bold primary colors. And

44:44

then as the more we see them

44:46

every page, like the faces are clearly

44:49

drawn as cartoons. And then

44:52

the entrance of the Yosemite Sam

44:54

is a big panel that just

44:56

says, boom, with red and yellow,

44:58

like a cartoon when something

45:00

gets hit. And he's got

45:02

the blunderbuss. God, I

45:04

forgot about blunderbusses. Every cartoon

45:07

character had a blunderbuss. He was like, the Terminator line,

45:09

come with me if you want to live, basically. And

45:11

then he's just like, Oliver, this is your grandpa. He's

45:13

like, my what? Hey, partner. And it was just like,

45:16

at that point, became comedic, but also really

45:18

action and packed and sad.

45:21

Like, Gary. I mean, the crows take

45:23

his blunderbuss. He goes, why are you? It

45:25

runs after them. But

45:28

then the crows protect them on the death.

45:30

I was really legitimately sad about that. That

45:32

was very sad. It was a terrible moment, but she's part

45:35

cartoon. I think she's going to be back. Yeah, probably. But

45:37

then so in all that, like we come back. And she's

45:39

going to use a human shape hold in the wall, and

45:41

that's all I ever want to do in my life.

45:44

Right, but before. OK, first he gets the bird legs.

45:46

He gets the bird legs. I know. I was like,

45:48

when I realized what I was looking at, I was

45:50

like, all right, that I've never seen before. I've never

45:52

seen a cartoon do it, but I've never seen a

45:55

realistic, quote unquote, human do it. And then

45:57

he leaves. He's got the

45:59

double, the two for him. is that he does

46:01

cartoon tornado legs. Then he leaves dust

46:03

cloud that is shaped like him. Then

46:06

he leaves a whole mouse that is

46:08

shaped like him. So

46:11

that's three. But this is all

46:13

happening within like a serious kind of situation.

46:15

Yes, it's scary. And

46:17

the sort of difference between drawing the cartoon,

46:19

to be honest, the worst thing he didn't

46:21

hear is the Yosemite Sam cartoon. He's almost

46:23

too simple, but I think they're also like,

46:25

hey, let's not get sued. They

46:28

just gotta keep it. He's a prospector,

46:30

I suppose. I know, it's all

46:32

shaped. Kind of a prospector. I guess, whatever.

46:35

So you've got that, but then like. Farmer, I

46:37

guess. What an amazingly well-drawn car. And

46:40

what a cool way to draw a

46:42

character who is more or less realistic,

46:44

photo-realistic with tornado legs. How

46:47

many substances do you think we're involved in the making

46:49

of this book, or the concepting of this book? Oh,

46:51

no, this to me sounds, this feels like nerds who

46:53

really thought about it. I thought this was really fun.

46:55

It really was. I even thought about it as picnic

46:57

for a minute. I just was really

46:59

happy. I'm really happy they picked it. We always like to

47:02

complain that if haters pick a book, we hate, because they

47:04

know we're gonna hate it, and they pick it anyway. But

47:06

every once in a while, they pick a book that we

47:08

really like, that we wouldn't have seen otherwise. This is one

47:10

of those books I really like, just looking forward to more.

47:12

Even that you said to me earlier today, you're like, it's

47:14

this book. I didn't know what it was. I actually think

47:16

I looked on the, I think I looked at the cover,

47:19

didn't read anything about it, and I saw it was

47:22

Tony Fleece, and I'm gonna admit that. I went, eh,

47:24

whatever. So to me, that's

47:26

a name. He's a workaday guy. He

47:29

does some comics every once in a while. Nothing's ever stood out

47:31

to me, whatever. And you gotta pick your

47:33

battles, and I just moved along. I didn't read it.

47:36

And so I went into it like, okay, don't forget

47:38

to read it. I was reading it, I was like,

47:40

this is great. And it was such a nice surprise.

47:44

Yeah, yeah, really like it. I loved that. It

47:46

was enjoyable, so thank you. Let's do ratings. I'm

47:48

on Candy Valley, number one ratings at a five.

47:52

I'm gonna do 4.25. Wow,

47:56

you and I are in sync lately. This has been

47:58

happening a lot. I was gonna say that. that exactly.

48:00

And yeah, I was bummed when

48:02

it was over. I was like, No, not now. We'll

48:07

be sticking with uncanny valley. Thanks, patrons patreon.com/I

48:09

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48:14

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48:16

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48:19

know how Emma Frost can turn

48:21

into a diamond person? Yes. Alan

48:23

can turn into a prism person. You

48:26

said diamond in my head I went pudding and

48:28

you almost started to say it. So

48:30

go on putting a pudding person. Yeah,

48:34

like somebody goes to punch you is like plus

48:38

everyone's always licking you. Yeah. But

48:40

ultimately, like you think putting is gonna be

48:42

really good, but instead it's disappointing. It's tapioca.

48:45

So prism is a human person. Light

48:47

goes through him refracts into rainbows and

48:50

he's a prison person. Is

48:52

that something he can direct? Can he adjust the

48:54

prisms directions of light and such? Yeah,

48:56

I mean, if he tries really hard

48:59

concentrates, you could probably direct a

49:02

benign rainbow. So

49:05

there's no like burning ants and laser focus. There's no

49:07

offensive power here. He just, you know, light

49:10

hits him and it's a party. Sounds

49:12

nice. Yeah. Our front door gets

49:14

hit by the sun and we have like a I

49:16

don't know one of those little decorative windows at the

49:18

top of it and it creates a little rainbow every

49:20

day on the front sort of walkway. Beautiful. So you

49:22

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49:24

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We were shamed last year. So we're gonna

50:09

keep it up Peter s

50:11

from Cape Coral, Florida I've

50:13

been thinking about this question for about 72 hours upon

50:17

reading Chris Claremont and Dave Crockham's uncanny

50:19

X and 104 and learning

50:21

that magneto was spoiler Once

50:24

turned into a six-month-old, baby just

50:26

got me thinking which comic run or runs

50:30

ranked highest on your personal gosh scales

50:33

We don't use the word gosh in a while. I

50:35

don't think someone who's not even know what that means

50:37

good old superheroes Sort of

50:39

like classic runs Ranks like

50:42

super hero feel that's fun delightful

50:45

swashbuckly I'll tell you what

50:47

I think when I think of goshy comics

50:51

For some reason my brain goes immediately to Burns

50:53

West Coast Avengers. I don't know why Good

50:56

answer, but that seems to be the

50:58

sweet spot of that sort of late

51:01

80s early 90s Marvely teen

51:03

stuff. So it's interesting you said

51:05

that because when he said I was thinking of like

51:07

a modern interpretation of

51:10

gosh like when somebody brings back

51:12

good old superheroes in a time when that's not

51:15

sort of a thing to do and So

51:18

by you saying like that's og gosh, that's right.

51:20

That's where the love of it comes from He's

51:22

asking for which runs that aren't ranked highest. I

51:24

think you just thought about all time. He's looking

51:26

at on kenex on 104 Yeah,

51:29

no that that makes total sense I feel like

51:31

I'm blank so but anyways my first answer was

51:33

going to be like a modern interpretation That would

51:35

have probably been like that Dan slot fantastic for

51:37

run I think that that was like those good

51:39

gosh comics full-on gosh like just leaning into

51:41

the the superhero thing Well, I think the question is

51:43

if you're explaining gosh to someone who's never heard the

51:46

show before and God bless him What kind of would

51:48

you point to as an example of what we're talking

51:50

about? That's the question. I think I Think

51:53

of one of my first trade paperback so

51:56

they ever bought which was the greatest Joker

51:58

stories ever told Oh and the first time

52:00

I came across those 60s and

52:03

70s Neil Adams books

52:06

and I picture an uncaped

52:08

Batman in a tank with the shark.

52:11

We were this Harry chest and Yeah,

52:13

maybe but like in the Joker

52:15

fish. Yeah. Like all that

52:18

stuff. Like I think of that. It's

52:20

dramatic. You know what I

52:22

mean? It's overwrought it's not necessarily silly, but it

52:24

is silly. Like it wasn't trying to be cool.

52:26

I mean it was, but

52:28

not like comics are too good for me.

52:31

They're leaning into comics, which is, you know,

52:33

not being afraid of. I think it's, it's

52:35

really, you sort of nailed it. It's about

52:37

that era where it wasn't about being cool

52:39

and dark and gritty. It was like, it

52:41

was about being cool. It was some opera

52:43

comics. It was big

52:45

old adventure stories of romance

52:48

happens, drama. That's why I think

52:50

of team books, because those are perfect for interpersonal

52:52

drama and a personal romance. Ultron

52:55

shows up, Tigris, Piston, Hawkeye, She-Hulk

52:57

makes an appearance. Like it's all

52:59

like, Oh, it's that kind of feel

53:01

to me is what I think of with gosh. This

53:03

is sort of related, but a number of years ago

53:05

I read, and it's very difficult for me to remember

53:08

specific stories from when I was a little kid. So

53:10

a lot of it really is like a feeling, you

53:12

know what I mean? But not too many years ago,

53:15

I, it's probably like eight years ago at this

53:17

point. I don't know. I read, there was a

53:19

Hawkeye mini series from that era. And I'm going

53:21

to try to look up who did it, but

53:24

it was wacky as shit. Like it,

53:26

it had everything. And I think he

53:28

was hunted by John Walker in it.

53:30

Oh, okay. So like there was, you

53:32

know, everything was. It's almost like

53:34

pornography. Like, you know, when you see it, right? It's

53:37

a feeling you get when you read it. And it's,

53:39

again, of course, obviously it's stuff from our childhood, but

53:41

that's sort of the thing of it. It's

53:43

like post-Roy Thomas pre

53:46

Marvel nights, is sort of

53:48

that goshy era for me.

53:50

Yeah. Even Captain America, his

53:52

whole run, his whole Mark Gruenwald run

53:54

of Diamondback. And Oh, I love

53:57

that. That was all very goshy. You know, it felt

53:59

like a big old. So Barbara, this isn't the

54:01

same one, but the Hawkeye miniseries, maybe that, you

54:03

know what, I might be conflating I think it

54:05

was the USH of miniseries that I read that

54:07

was that That was actually

54:09

a really good one But there is a

54:12

1983 series Hawkeye four issue miniseries written and

54:14

drawn by Mark Grunewald I think Grunewald is

54:16

an excellent example of somebody who did modern

54:18

comics But in an era where modern comics

54:21

were a different thing than they are, right?

54:23

Yeah, like full-on leaning into the superhero comics,

54:25

you know, these are for kids. They should

54:27

be gosh, man I mean almost like

54:30

the first 12 issues of the

54:32

GI Joe comic like they weren't superheroes, but

54:34

they were good old superhero comics 80s

54:37

and 90s these things are reread by adults, but

54:39

they're supposed to be for kids So they're making

54:41

really fun, but they're kind of silly but

54:44

also dramatic and I mean

54:46

It's the same tone as a so-so-so opera, which

54:48

I loved as a kid and as a young

54:50

adult So it's like that kind of thing. It's

54:52

where you know a major twist

54:54

would happen Oh my god Hawkeye is still

54:56

alive and then come back in 30 days

54:59

to find out more Enthralled

55:01

by his relationship Clint opens up to his

55:03

new girlfriend Sheila Danning about his superhero origin

55:06

The date ends abruptly when Hawkeye investigates

55:08

a break-in at cross technologies and the

55:10

intruders none other than mockingbird Right,

55:13

you're hooked you want to read that story right

55:15

now. That's what I mean. It's the twist It's

55:17

like you can imagine that being the last page

55:19

reveal that it's the mockingbird and now his exes

55:21

showed up Like if that's what it is and

55:23

you look at her outfit on the cover and

55:25

it's not the bikini one It's the long sleeves

55:28

one and they break they both

55:30

have pirate boots on and they're flapping

55:32

in the breeze What's the name of

55:34

the book Hawkeye Hawkeye 1981? I

55:37

mean, sorry 1983 number one September

55:40

1st 1983 by the way If you

55:42

look up Hawkeye miniseries, you're gonna find a lot of stuff

55:44

about that disney show which was fine But it ain't mark

55:46

groomed wall. Oh, that's a good cover. It's

55:48

a fine cover. That's a good cover A

55:51

little more effort into the background because it is a

55:53

cover but yes Yeah, but the

55:55

thing is I remember back then seeing

55:57

covers that were white that left

56:00

that the characters stand forward. I really

56:02

liked that. I remember a lot of

56:04

those. What do you want for 60

56:06

cents? The Simonsons, Thors. There you go.

56:08

Simonsons, Thor. Right. Do

56:10

you think that a gosh superhero, like an

56:12

original gosh, this

56:14

redundant, an original gosh book, has

56:17

to have been released before 1986? No,

56:21

I don't think so. We just talked about. Death

56:23

Superman. Dance slot. Yeah, but that's like

56:25

postmodern. Postmodern, gosh, okay. Yeah. No, no, no, I don't

56:27

think so. I don't think Dance Lot was doing postmodern,

56:29

by the way. I think he was doing comics like

56:31

he loved. When was West Coast Avengers number one? Actually,

56:34

that was after 86. Yeah, okay.

56:38

I don't think so. Because it hadn't changed

56:40

everything right away. Yeah, you're right. You're right. I

56:42

mean, we read Death of Superman. We did that.

56:45

That was great. Yeah. Avengers

56:47

Assemble. Who will answer the Hawkeyes call to join

56:49

the new team? That was the most exciting cover

56:52

a young Connor could find at a comic store.

56:54

A bunch of heads with question marks in the

56:56

upper left-hand box. Who's gonna join the team? Is

56:59

Cyclops gonna join? Is Namor? Who

57:02

is that wolf guy? Who

57:05

is the Shroud? Is that Samson,

57:07

Greenhead? What's his name? The Hulk.

57:10

Oh, Doc Samson? Yes, that's Doc Samson. Okay. Imagine

57:13

a team that's Doc Samson, Cyclops, the

57:15

Shroud dude, and the Wolfhead guy inside

57:17

the Hawkeye. Who's next to Puck? Who's

57:20

that blonde? Is that Medusa? No, Medusa. Not

57:22

Medusa, is it the other one? Crystal?

57:25

No, she had the black line around the back of her head.

57:27

I don't know who that is. Is that Jana Van Dyne in the

57:29

lower right corner? No, that's Black Widow.

57:31

She had short hair back then. Oh, right,

57:33

right. Can we talk about Rom? Why is

57:35

Rom on that team? I don't even know

57:37

who Rom is. Oh

57:40

man, good stuff. Look at the, it's great

57:42

because at the top is

57:44

the questioned out heads, and the one

57:46

next to him is clearly Mockingbird. Right,

57:48

right. Well, it was Mockingbird,

57:50

and it was Underman and

57:53

Tigra. And Ironman. Ironman,

57:55

right. That's Ironman in the middle. Yeah.

57:58

Those are the five, yeah. I wrote

58:01

either remember the whole book the

58:03

whole book this is

58:05

great gosh. The world of bubbles

58:07

are good the whole time he's like i don't

58:09

even know that i'm not tony star. Should

58:12

i tell. It's

58:14

just insecurity wrapped in

58:16

power good stuff yes

58:19

you know what peter you win good question

58:22

i'm smiling right now when

58:24

you read it i was like i don't have this. And

58:27

then it turned into joy thanks writing peter

58:30

contact and i found what i can decide

58:32

it you can read it also for media

58:34

splurge but media splurge subject line thank you

58:36

and real quick we did a book split

58:38

homicide graphic novel part one show two weeks

58:40

ago. This coming week will have

58:42

our doon park to review as well as the

58:44

second half of the what to watch next challenge

58:46

of the media split coming out this coming week

58:49

and then. Maybe three weeks we

58:51

have the justice league christen infinite earth review

58:53

from the animation brain trust and a little

58:55

bit of talk slowed. Yeah i'm

58:57

going to yes there was

58:59

a vacation that took place right

59:01

and there is to be reconnecting

59:03

post is funny is two more

59:05

weeks in april. No so

59:09

i don't know you know schedule is

59:11

hard all the shows will eventually come out with the

59:13

come out the right month who's to say. We

59:16

also want to thank chris aubrecht over open

59:18

water who had josh and i on a

59:20

live webinar this past week discussing how to

59:22

podcast in the history of a fanboy. It's

59:25

going to be available on their youtube eventually when

59:27

that happens will link it we had

59:29

a good time for about an hour so

59:32

we have never we kept babbling on because

59:34

that's what we do discussed podcasting the business

59:36

of podcasting my family history. It

59:38

was a fun conversation chris is an awesome dude we've known for

59:40

a while so thanks for having

59:42

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59:45

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1:01:16

doing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I kept

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