0:00

Oh shit, fuck, I forgot I needed a zinger.

0:02

Do something problematic. Let's start off on a good foot. Okay.

0:05

More like shrillery, Clinton. Am I right? I

0:09

can't tell if I want to do a pure joke or something that

0:11

touches on actual commentary to make

0:13

it clear that I hate Hillary Clinton.

0:19

We are off to a good start, Peter. Holy shit. I've

0:23

been a little bit worried about this one. Same!

0:26

Same! We may not get to the email scandal. We

0:28

may just talk about Hillary Clinton the entire time as like a social

0:31

construction. Maybe the zinger is just

0:33

me being like, Mike, this is the episode

0:35

where I get canceled. Oh, okay. Do

0:38

you want to do that? Emails? All right, let's

0:41

go. Let's go. All right.

0:43

Peter. Michael. What do you know about

0:45

the Hillary Clinton email scandal of 2016? Yeah,

0:48

you know, this isn't like when she

0:50

suggested that we rig Palestinian

0:52

elections, Michael. This is serious.

0:55

I'm not

0:58

going to lie.

1:08

So the genesis of this episode is

1:10

that when we were recording the liberal

1:12

fascism episode, we had like that

1:14

chapter about how like Hillary Clinton is fascist.

1:17

And then we ended up talking for like 45

1:19

minutes about the social

1:22

construction of Hillary Clinton and like doing

1:24

a bunch of other sort of side topics. And then we eventually

1:26

decided that we need to either talk

1:29

about Hillary Clinton for like two seconds or

1:31

two hours.

1:31

And so this is the two hours.

1:34

Yeah. And we discussed this episode a

1:36

little bit in advance. And you said that you don't

1:38

want to spend the entire episode

1:41

relitigating the 2016 election. And

1:45

I said, I made it quite clear, I think. You

1:47

said no. And I do want to spend

1:49

the entire episode relitigating

1:52

the 2016 election. Fuck. Fuck.

1:55

I was going to do a bunch of scoping. Like I'm going to

1:57

keep Peter on topic. How do I trick

1:59

Peter?

5:42

sense

6:00

when it comes to foreign policy, right? And her positions

6:03

towards the Middle East have

6:05

always been hawkish, lacked

6:08

regard for sovereignty

6:10

in the Middle East. Her and Obama's

6:13

approach in Libya was

6:16

brutal. Again, while

6:18

that we talked about her fucking emails for a year and a half and

6:20

did not talk about her record as

6:22

Secretary of State, when

6:25

we were disastrously bungling

6:27

the war in Afghanistan and when

6:29

there are now emails that we know

6:32

about where they knew about the CIA

6:34

drone strikes, and they were like, should we object

6:36

to these? Maybe one or two went too far.

6:39

I don't know that she's like any worse than a lot of other

6:41

centrist Democrats, honestly, but it's like this

6:43

entire generation

6:44

of Democrats, you look back

6:46

on their record from like the 90s, the early 2000s,

6:49

and like it looks really fucking bad. She's

6:51

an avatar for that third-way

6:53

bullshit, an avatar

6:56

for a Democratic establishment that tried

6:58

to hedge right on nearly every

7:00

single issue, from domestic

7:03

economic issues to foreign policy,

7:05

right? And

7:08

we have seen where that got us. I

7:11

think we're roughly on the same page as far as like I think it is great

7:13

to judge public figures

7:14

by their record in public life. There's

7:16

like a sickness among journalists

7:19

where they think that just because something is secret,

7:21

it's important. And I think that there

7:24

are cases of this happening, right, like Watergate

7:26

and shit, but like in general, most

7:28

politicians are fairly easy to judge

7:31

by like what they are or are not doing

7:33

for the public as far as like their votes and

7:35

their speeches and shit. We

7:38

have this thing where in public, Hillary Clinton is

7:40

like a centrist politician and like has

7:42

gotten a lot of stuff wrong and like cringially extremely

7:44

wrong over the years. But then according

7:47

to the right and to like weirdly to like the

7:50

left-wing media, they think

7:52

that there's like this iceberg

7:53

of like corruption and

7:55

murder and graft underneath

7:57

it. evidence

8:00

of that. Yeah. She's also a politician

8:03

who is the subject of more completely

8:07

ludicrous smears and lies than

8:10

maybe any other politician, and

8:13

also the recipient

8:16

of more misogynistic political

8:18

analysis than any other politician.

8:21

And I think that one is probably unquestionably

8:23

true. Yeah, absolutely. What's weird about discussing

8:25

her as someone who's like a critic of hers from

8:27

the left is that you can't possibly

8:29

disentangle all of this. Yeah, of course.

8:32

If you go back and look at the

8:34

media coverage of the 1992 presidential

8:36

campaign, so clearly

8:39

just like, should women be allowed to

8:41

talk? Yeah, yeah, totally. What we talked about

8:43

in the liberal fascism

8:44

episode was her

8:47

writings about children's rights.

8:50

And a ton of the criticism

8:52

that was levied at her in the early 90s

8:54

was just like, should First Ladies

8:57

be able to talk about substantive

8:59

policy, right? She was pushing for

9:03

expanded healthcare coverage.

9:06

Meanwhile, Nancy Reagan was doing

9:08

war on drugs shit, which didn't

9:10

block as political. I mean, this kind of leads

9:12

us to the disingenuous

9:13

case against Hillary Clinton. What

9:16

really fascinated me is the pattern with

9:18

Hillary Clinton is the same pattern that I've seen

9:20

in moral panics over and over again,

9:22

where it's like people take these

9:25

examples of fairly benign

9:27

behavior and then they use them as a metaphor

9:29

for much worse things of which

9:31

there is no evidence. So I found

9:34

a Christopher Hitchens article from 2008,

9:37

which was called The Case Against Hillary Clinton.

9:40

And he's like, really gonna like lay it out. Yeah, yeah, I remember

9:42

this. And his opening anecdote was

9:44

about this thing from 1995 when she was First

9:46

Lady and she was in London

9:49

for something. And she met Sir Edmund

9:51

Hillary, who was one of the

9:53

two first people to climb Mount Everest,

9:55

the other person was tensing nor gay. And

9:58

she's like making small talk with hillary

10:00

and she's like hey did you know you're the reason i

10:02

have to else and my name my mom

10:05

was big fan of yours and she namely hillary after

10:07

you sir edmund hillary right this

10:09

somehow was like on paper whatever ends up and press

10:11

reports people look into it and

10:13

it turns out hillary was born in nineteen forty

10:16

seven and admin hillary didn't

10:18

climb mount everest until nineteen fifty three she

10:20

would have been six years old and so there's no way

10:22

that she could been named after hillary

10:23

whatever christopher hitchens

10:26

like uses this as like look at

10:28

look at what she'll do to gain parents

10:30

look it's a waste manipulates people

10:33

around her of course of you actually

10:35

look into it hillary clinton had

10:37

never use this anecdote anywhere else it didn't

10:39

show up in like her biographies

10:40

it appears that her mom like

10:42

told her this at some points which by the

10:44

way is what immediately came to my mind

10:46

when you told me the timeline as like i

10:48

better mom just sat at a

10:50

benign explanation is available

10:52

for this kind of thing but it like people immediately

10:54

leap to the like look health fucking

10:57

bad she is right that it's i love rayleigh a

10:59

right wing

11:00

podcast about this and they were like

11:01

the ones long tirade about fucking sick

11:04

to the fucking psycho pass it was like so

11:06

brutal

11:06

and what they were talking about was

11:09

registering a web domain not

11:11

and her name is one of her own register

11:13

oh are you rl and like used his own

11:15

name on the registration papers it's very funny

11:17

to go see a bit even crackers iraq

11:20

one of it's

11:22

like i

11:23

i i do think that like an anecdote

11:26

can be a symbol of something much

11:28

larger yeah but you have to have

11:30

evidence of the much larger thing you

11:32

can't array haunts gently point too

11:34

simple of like with trump you

11:36

can tell these little anecdote about he lied about it

11:38

like golf score or something and it's a symbolic

11:40

of the way that he fucking life but everything but we have

11:42

evidence that he fucking life but everything right for

11:45

clinton it's like there's a deep corruption

11:47

but like we never actually get the

11:49

deep corruption we just get these surface

11:51

level

11:51

little symbols of elsa like if a little

11:54

white lie in conversation is

11:56

enough to declare a

11:58

politician a psychopath then they all

12:00

are. I mean, if they're a single politician, you couldn't

12:03

find an anecdote like this about. I

12:04

also want to go out of my way to say

12:06

that, like, she would have been way

12:09

better than Donald Trump. Like, it's not close. Center-left

12:11

politicians are, in fact, preferable

12:14

to far-right politicians. Like,

12:15

her platform on healthcare, did I love it? No.

12:18

It was way better than the status

12:19

quo. She wanted to raise the minimum wage of 12 bucks.

12:22

Do I wish that was higher? Yes. Is 12 bucks

12:24

better than 750? Also, yes.

12:26

The argument that Trump wouldn't

12:29

have been that bad was ludicrous at the time,

12:31

and it's more ludicrous in retrospect. It's

12:33

a ludicrous argument.

12:34

So, Peter, what is your understanding

12:37

of, like, the actual

12:38

facts of the email scandal?

12:41

Yeah. Hillary Clinton had private

12:44

email. Well, I'm going to

12:46

use terms like servers, which I don't actually really want to

12:48

cover. Yeah, I still don't talk about it. I've been doing this for a few weeks. I

12:50

don't know what the fuck a server is. It's fine. Hillary Clinton had, like,

12:52

private email servers. She used her BlackBerry

12:55

to communicate with

12:57

her aides and colleagues,

13:00

etc. That's how she did emails.

13:03

Yes. And then she gets to the State Department,

13:06

and the State Department, generally

13:08

speaking, would require

13:11

or have guidelines that you

13:14

use their servers, right? But she

13:16

does not transition to their servers. She maintains

13:18

her own BlackBerry. She doesn't want to use their computers.

13:22

And there is a question about confidential

13:25

information, classified information,

13:27

right? Because at least theoretically,

13:29

there could have been classified information

13:32

being shared in these emails on

13:34

unprotected or less protected servers.

13:37

That is my memory of this off the dome.

13:40

That was pretty good. The way that Clinton described

13:42

it in her book, she says, it was a dumb

13:44

mistake, but an even dumber scandal, which

13:47

I kind of agree with. I agree with that too, but it also

13:49

annoys me that she would put it that way.

13:51

We'll see

13:53

if this episode, like, makes you like her more or

13:55

less.

13:56

I do

13:57

think that, like, this is a very...

13:59

understandable story, like when

14:02

you hear it in chronological order,

14:04

if we just go over like what actually happened,

14:06

the striking thing about Clinton's

14:09

book, Comey's book, and there's

14:11

various investigations of this over

14:13

the years is that they really don't disagree on

14:15

the facts. So I think the

14:17

first thing to know if we like rewind all the

14:19

way back is that like, a lot of politicians

14:22

don't use email very

14:24

much. Yeah,

14:25

part of this is like to avoid fucking records requests, because

14:27

they're like all corrupt fucking dingbats. And

14:29

some of it is like, they're

14:29

just all old as fuck. So like, john

14:32

McCain did not send or receive an email his

14:34

entire life. Yeah. And especially when you think about

14:36

what like 2008. Yeah,

14:38

I honestly think the fact that Clinton is 62

14:40

when she becomes Secretary

14:42

of State is like, very important to

14:44

this story and like really reminds me of like,

14:47

all of the boomers in my life and like how

14:49

they use technology. She

14:51

says in her book, she says, I didn't send a single

14:53

email when I was in the White House as First Lady

14:56

or during most of my first term in the US Senate,

14:58

I've never used a computer at home

15:01

or at work. It was not until 2006 that

15:03

I began sending and receiving emails on a BlackBerry

15:06

phone. I had a plain old AT&T

15:08

account like millions of other people and used it both

15:10

for work and personal email.

15:12

That was my system and it worked for me.

15:14

So this is what she's used to all

15:15

of her emails, professional, personal, everything comes

15:17

and goes

15:18

out of the BlackBerry, right? She's never

15:20

used to computer. I mean, she's never had one anyway.

15:22

Yeah, I think it's very like hard for like people

15:24

like us who don't have like teens, you don't

15:27

have to understand like what it is like the

15:29

daily reality of these people. Most

15:31

of us just assume that she's like sending and

15:33

receiving emails all the time. When now that we've

15:35

seen all the fucking emails, the vast majority

15:37

of emails are like one sentence or they're like forwarding

15:39

and be like FYI.

15:40

Yeah,

15:41

they're not substantive. They're

15:43

not thoughtful. It's like everything takes place

15:45

in like in person meetings or

15:48

phone calls.

15:48

Like she says her and Bill do not

15:50

like they've never sent

15:51

an email to each other. They call because they're boomers. Yeah,

15:53

that makes sense.

15:54

So in 2007, Bill Clinton has

15:57

a server installed in his

15:59

house. It's not clear like whether

16:01

either of these boomers sort of like knew what that meant or whatever.

16:03

They're just like, okay This is gonna make it easier like more secure.

16:06

It's encrypted. Whatever Clinton starts

16:08

using Hrl5

16:10

at my singular dot blackberry

16:13

net as an email address, which is most boomer

16:15

fucking email address ever in my life That's

16:18

a situation when on January

16:21

21st. She is sworn in as Secretary

16:23

of State man This could have all been avoided if Obama

16:26

wasn't the type to just want to be

16:28

liked by everyone So he was like look

16:30

Hillary just ran a really weirdly racist primary

16:33

campaign against me. I will make her Secretary

16:35

of State Yet

16:38

another election I refused to it relitigate

16:43

Guess what I'm bringing up the Somali

16:46

garb picture that her team circulated

16:51

This is all stored within a very specific

16:53

compartment of my brain yeah on your

16:55

servers on your little brain You're a little content

16:58

brain servers.

16:59

So she starts the Secretary of State She

17:02

has this blackberry

17:03

email account that she's using that I think everybody

17:06

sort of knows it's like super fucking janky

17:08

and Dealing with classified information is just

17:10

a giant fucking hassle Like she has to lock up

17:12

her blackberry in some like weird safe

17:15

when she goes into work because they're afraid that like the

17:16

Russians or whoever is gonna hack it and turn it into

17:18

a Microphone and it's like okay

17:21

So I just don't have my device with me at work all day and

17:23

like I don't really know how to use a computer like It's

17:25

just this giant fucking

17:26

hassle by the way whenever I hear about the

17:28

like machinations of our intelligence

17:31

operations It always makes me a little bit anxious

17:33

like do we have technology that can sense

17:35

whether the Russians are hacking out? Are

17:38

the Secretary of State's phone? It's like no just

17:40

put it in the no hack box

17:41

And then

17:44

there one of the one of the dark ironies of this

17:46

is that this entire thing is about email security,

17:48

right? Like whether it's being stored on my private servers

17:50

or government

17:51

The State Department servers were

17:53

hacked

17:53

her personal server was not hacked

17:56

Was also hacked during this time. So

17:58

it's like the entire thing

17:59

just fucking dissolves into smoke where it's like,

18:01

what are we actually talking about here? Like she put

18:04

them on a more secure server. Or

18:06

like at least a server that was less of a target,

18:08

right? Although it was also a target at that time. But yes. Yeah,

18:11

fair enough. So on January 23,

18:13

2009, two days into her tenure as Secretary

18:15

of State, I'm going to email this to you

18:18

or I'll text this to you. This is from

18:20

the FBI report.

18:23

Okay. On January 23, 2009, Clinton

18:26

contacted former Secretary of State Colin

18:28

Powell via email to inquire about

18:30

his use of a BlackBerry while he was Secretary

18:33

of State. In his email reply, Powell

18:35

warned Clinton that if it became public

18:37

that Clinton had a BlackBerry and she used it

18:39

to do business, her emails could

18:41

become, quote, official records and

18:44

subject to the law. Powell further advised

18:46

Clinton, be very careful. I got

18:48

around it all by not saying much and not

18:50

using systems that captured the data. Clinton

18:53

indicated to the FBI that she understood Powell's

18:55

comments to mean any work related communications

18:58

would be government records. This is

19:00

fascinating to me. At the heart of this

19:02

entire thing,

19:04

we have Colin Powell, the previous

19:06

Secretary of State,

19:07

admitting that he used a fucking

19:09

AOL.com address

19:11

the entire time that he was Secretary of State.

19:13

And he says, I got

19:15

around it by not saying much and not

19:17

using systems that captured the data. This

19:20

guy did what Hillary Clinton

19:22

is accused of. He specifically

19:25

skirted the rules

19:26

so that he would not be subject to

19:29

FOIA requests and shit.

19:30

To this day, we still do not have emails

19:33

from the early 2003

19:34

period, which I would kind

19:36

of like to see. Hey, going

19:38

to lie to the UN, LOL.

19:40

What's interesting is he tells her, he's

19:42

like, yeah, just use an external email.

19:45

Here's how to get around it. Whatever. Clinton

19:47

does not take

19:47

his advice. She starts using this email

19:50

address, hdr22 at clintonemail.com. Clinton

19:54

email.com. I know. Is that?

19:57

I know. It's kind of amazing it didn't get hacked because it's so fucking

19:59

obvious.

19:59

Because I feel like if you found that

20:02

domain you would assume it was like

20:04

a troll who was So

20:08

she starts using this

20:10

personal account that the sort of the clutch

20:13

that she comes up with to comply

20:16

with eventual records requests

20:18

and

20:18

To only have

20:20

one device with her is she

20:22

basically moves all of her correspondence

20:24

personal and

20:27

professional Onto this one

20:29

email address So

20:31

for her entire time as Secretary of

20:33

State she does not use a state.gov

20:36

Email address and all

20:38

of her emails so like she's her mother

20:40

dies while she's in Office

20:42

and like her dealings with like the estate Emailing

20:45

Chelsea like how's life all of her personal

20:47

emails and all of her like the

20:50

the President of this country just got assassinated

20:53

emails are all on the same fucking account So

20:56

to me the best argument that like

20:58

she didn't do this to avoid scrutiny

21:00

or like any like corrupt deep evil

21:02

reason

21:03

is That this is such a

21:05

fucking stupid solution to

21:07

the problem.

21:08

She is Ensuring

21:10

that there is going to be a conflict

21:12

between her professional and her personal

21:15

emails

21:15

because they're all in one fucking inbox Right.

21:18

I think when people like process the

21:20

email scandal what they think Happened

21:23

is it like she had her like Hillary at state gov

21:25

email And then she was like shunting

21:28

people to this like secret personal address.

21:30

She's like, okay This is spicy shit like email

21:33

me the kill list to like Hillary at

21:34

Clinton email dot right, right? That's not what

21:36

she was doing. It was all in one

21:39

place It seems to me like

21:41

what we're building toward and this is sort of

21:43

how I've always viewed it as that

21:45

this was essentially just an

21:47

act of Medium negligence

21:50

may be medium to high depending on how much

21:52

you care about national security Yeah,

21:55

I guess what I say by medium what I mean by like

21:58

medium to high is like if I were to combine

22:00

my work and

22:03

personal emails, the stakes are quite low.

22:05

You know what I mean? Whereas, like, the worst-case

22:07

scenario here is relatively bad, I

22:10

guess. Well,

22:10

also, I mean, one thing that has, like,

22:12

genuinely given me nightmares about this is that it's very

22:14

clear that, like, no one on her team thought

22:16

about this or, like, thought it was a remotely big deal

22:19

at the time, which, you know, looking back, obviously,

22:21

is, like, very silly. But at the time,

22:23

people were basically like, okay, it's

22:25

not actually against the rules. There's, like, a sort

22:27

of recommendation, like, we'd prefer if State

22:29

Department employees didn't use personal emails, but, like,

22:32

it happens. And, like, if you end up

22:34

using, you know, your Gmail or whatever, like, make sure you

22:36

retain all the documents for, you know,

22:39

FOIA requests, whatever. So

22:41

they thought that this was above board as long as

22:43

they retained

22:44

all of the emails, and they knew that

22:46

her

22:46

servers were encrypted. But they

22:48

were advised, right? They were advised

22:51

by State. Isn't that right? Am I misremembering

22:54

that?

22:54

There's actually some debate about

22:56

whether people at State knew that this was happening.

22:59

It seems like most people sort of

23:01

didn't know that this was on an external

23:03

server because when emails came

23:05

in from Hillary, they just said H. They

23:09

didn't, like, say H at anything.

23:12

And we later find out she

23:14

only emailed with 13 people

23:17

her entire time at the State Department.

23:19

Imagine the panic within State if some security

23:22

folks got an email that was

23:24

from, like, a Hillary at Clinton

23:26

email dot com. They'd be like, what the fuck?

23:28

I know. I know. There

23:30

is actually a pretty funny section in her book where

23:33

she – one of the emails that eventually

23:35

comes out is her complaining that she's trying

23:37

to talk to Obama, but nobody on the White House

23:39

operator line will believe that she's Hillary Clinton

23:41

and she can't get through. She's like, how

23:44

do I do this? How do I prove that I'm me? Well,

23:46

ironically, the best way would have been to start

23:48

leaking classified information about people she's

23:51

assassinated.

23:51

I also –

23:54

I mean, we're going to get into the sort

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of, like, mechanics of how all this becomes public in a second,

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but, like, before we do, I –

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I think it's also important to stress, this

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is all about the storage

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of digital information. At

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no point in this entire scandal does

24:09

anybody accuse Hillary Clinton of

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sharing classified information with foreign governments,

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or leaking it to the press, or

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blurting something out to someone

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who shouldn't know it. Every single one

24:21

of the people that she was emailing had top secret

24:24

clearance. It's about information

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security procedures. I

24:28

was trying to think of a metaphor. You

24:31

come downstairs in the morning and you realize

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your roommate has left the door unlocked

24:36

overnight. And you're like, okay, well nothing

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got

24:39

stolen. There's no effect of this. But

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also, yeah, we'd prefer it if you locked

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the door. You might want to talk to your roommate about that.

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But it's not even that bad because

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the emails were on

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an encrypted server that didn't get hacked.

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So it's like you come downstairs and your

24:55

roommate has

24:55

deadbolt at the door, but the deadbolt

24:58

he used was not like an approved

25:00

deadbolt. Okay, well ultimately the door

25:02

was locked. It just wasn't the sort of like official

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technical

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lock that we were supposed to use. I

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really cannot stress how long it took me to

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truly accept that

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this is what the entire scandal was

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about with literally just

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the storage

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of information on non-government servers.

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That's it. I mean, this is a

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lens into

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how

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the media can get

25:29

manipulated. Yeah. It pretty

25:32

plainly doesn't matter that much whether

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Hillary was using the Department

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of States approved encrypted server

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or her own. But the

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way that this sort of resonates

25:44

in our political and cultural

25:46

memory is indicative

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of a whole lot of weird neuroses

25:53

that our media maintains

25:55

and sort of projects onto the

25:57

general public.

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do think it's like worth stressing is that like other

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people who have been busted for this

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over the years it's been like a very

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minor

26:09

issue. So in

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his book Comey says,

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in 2011 David Petraeus had

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given multiple notebooks containing

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troves of highly sensitive top-secret

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information to an author with whom he was having

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an affair. In contrast to those Hillary Clinton

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corresponded with, the author did not have

26:27

the appropriate clearance or a legitimate

26:29

need to know the information which included

26:31

notes of discussions with President Obama about very

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sensitive programs. He even allowed

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the woman to photograph key pages from

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classified documents. Yeah

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but this is different because he's trying to get laid.

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That's an affirmative defense under the law.

26:44

And then as if to underscore that he knew

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he shouldn't do

26:47

what he did, he lied to FBI

26:50

agents about what he had done. Despite

26:52

all of this clear and powerful evidence on facts

26:54

far worse for him than for Secretary of Clinton

26:57

and after he demonstrably lied to the FBI,

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the DOJ charged him only with

27:02

a misdemeanor after he reached

27:03

a plea bargain agreement. In 2015

27:06

he admitted guilt and agreed to a $40,000 fine

27:08

and probation for two years. I love that he

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was the director of the CIA

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but still felt like he had to prove

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he has access to confidential stuff.

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Look how cool my stuff is. Check

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it out. You want to see it? You want to see it? It's like dude

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you're the like she knows that you have it.

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Relax. You don't have to keep doing

27:26

it. I know you work at Cinnabon. You don't have to bring

27:27

me another one. I get it. I trust you. My

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friends in high school. I

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do think, I mean, it's like sort

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of at the most,

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it's like an administrative violation and

27:39

like this fucking guy who like lied

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to the FBI and like obstructed justice

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got nothing.

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You have to keep criminal history in mind too

27:47

and when you have a spotless record like

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Petraeus, you get off

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light. Where's

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the Clint? You got Seth Rich, you got Vince Foster,

27:54

you got the Clinton Foundation. Look, you

27:56

can't do this and Benghazi

27:58

in like a two-year span. Thank you.