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it. Yeah, yeah, I could tell

1:00

from our morning meeting your Albert

1:02

double dose anger, coffee or turning

1:04

into a. Werewolf. I couldn't. I

1:06

like it or whatever going on. So how

1:09

to tell me what's going on this combo?

1:11

It's just between you and me and. Or

1:13

about them with a new. Blink you

1:16

think you thank you for checking

1:18

and because let's just say I

1:20

am talking tormented. I am art

1:23

afflicted and most of all I

1:25

patrick held. So I'm understanding that

1:27

you went to see Challenger Rachel

1:30

I don't see Challengers once. I

1:32

didn't see it twice. I saw

1:34

it three times in five days.

1:37

I would also just like. To

1:39

point out for all of young can't

1:41

see our scrip their three finish the

1:43

match. Oh yeah I put

1:45

them there. ah I'm going to else

1:47

would who else do it? So spoiler

1:50

alert. In case you couldn't, how. This

1:52

episode is going to be all

1:54

about how injuries specifically the internet,

1:56

the reaction to it and how

1:58

challengers a movie though. was supposed to

2:00

come out last year and got pushed

2:02

back because of the SAG strike. Absolutely

2:04

smashed the box office. I just saw

2:06

that they beat Call Me By Your

2:08

Name. So Luca is up. So

2:14

Kansas, let's talk about it. I

2:16

loved everything. Okay, so here's the deal. I

2:18

have been excited for this movie since it

2:20

was first announced. So this is last year

2:22

before it was supposed to open Venice Film

2:25

Festival. They end up not doing it. And

2:27

I'm like, I'm sad, but it's fine. I

2:30

at first thought that my excitement to

2:32

this movie paralleled Barbie and how I

2:35

was just kind of like, I need to watch this movie because

2:37

everyone's talking about it, talking about it, talking about it. But

2:39

the difference is I actually think this is

2:41

how I felt when I watched season one

2:43

of The Bear. And that summer, it was

2:46

just, car me up and

2:48

down the wall. Alex Zera goes on

2:50

Nicole Perkins, like writing the horniest, thirstiest

2:52

tweets and me just being like, on

2:55

my work computer. Yes, yes, like like retweet,

2:57

like it was unparalleled. And I think

3:00

for me what it is, is my

3:02

favorite scenes from this movie were like

3:04

Zendaya and Josh O'Connor, two people who

3:06

have one Emmys who are just meeting

3:08

each other at their best in a

3:11

way that is so chemically intoxicating. And

3:13

the way that the score also proves

3:15

that the way that the score kind

3:17

of carries Mike Feist, someone that I

3:19

actually didn't really care about, even in West Side

3:21

Story. And now I'm like, where

3:24

have you been all my life?

3:26

And I, I love

3:28

this movie. And I kept going back and

3:31

I can't stop I can't stop talking about

3:33

it. I can't stop thinking about it. I

3:35

am diseased like a cow with that H5N1,

3:37

except for my H5N1 is challengers. So

3:39

for those of y'all who haven't seen

3:41

this movie or who have somehow missed

3:44

hype cycle around this movie,

3:46

challengers stars Zendaya as Tashie

3:48

Duncan, a former tennis prodigy

3:50

turned coach who was injured

3:52

before having a major

3:54

career. In the present day

3:57

she's married to Art Donaldson, who was played

3:59

by Ken this is new favorite man, Mike

4:01

Beist, who is a rich and

4:03

famous tennis player who has won every grand

4:05

slam except the US Open. And he's currently

4:08

on a losing street. Art needs to gain

4:10

his confidence back. And so Tachi, who is

4:12

now his coach and his wife, gets

4:15

him to go to this Challenger tournament

4:17

in New Rochelle, New York, which is

4:20

the second highest tier of men's pro

4:22

tennis. And he faces off against Patrick,

4:24

who was played by Josh O'Connor, who

4:27

was once Art's best

4:29

friend and Tachi's ex-boyfriend.

4:32

This is a movie directed

4:34

by Luca Guadagnio. It's written

4:36

by Justin Karitskas, who is

4:39

married to Celine Song, who

4:41

wrote Pass Live, which is

4:43

another movie about a threesome.

4:45

What I love about this

4:47

is that we have two

4:50

extremely talented writers writing

4:52

about marriages, friendships,

4:54

relationships that are disrupted

4:56

by the entry of

4:58

a third person, which

5:01

means that the next movie that

5:03

is about a threesome is about

5:06

the third that was clearly involved

5:08

in Celine and Justin's relationship. And

5:11

I will be looking out for

5:13

that, because I want to know.

5:16

Yeah. It's so interesting how

5:18

Celine and Justin have

5:20

both written films that make

5:23

you side with their perspective, not that

5:25

anyone necessarily did anything wrong in their

5:27

relationship. Obviously Justin and Celine are still

5:29

together. They're still succeeding together. I have

5:31

a feeling he's definitely gonna be nominated

5:33

for best screenplay at the Oscars next

5:35

year. It's just so

5:38

interesting to see how they both took

5:40

clearly the circumstance that maybe possibly

5:42

allegedly happened to them and

5:44

just created something so different. Because Pass

5:46

Live is not running at this tempo.

5:49

Rachel, what did you love about this

5:51

film? I Think what I really

5:53

loved is the structure of the movie.

5:55

I Enjoyed that we kind of enter

5:57

in present day, present day being art.

6:00

And how being married and we keep

6:02

getting flashbacks of the beginning of both

6:04

fairly since if also are and parts

6:06

of relationship as friends. I really love

6:08

the way the relationships between each character

6:10

are kind of slow the revealed to

6:12

us even as the first time we

6:14

see all of them we can see

6:16

how that something's going on you. Know

6:18

I really have to say that I'm

6:20

getting really great. I really think twitter

6:22

is like maybe the reason that I

6:24

was so addicted to it and I

6:26

kept going back because I was saying

6:28

were added these three trying to do

6:30

anything I. Could to relive the movie

6:32

scene I come. Home and see the tweets I

6:34

did. I miss that a nigga watches again. I.

6:37

Go I Come Home and the soundtrack to Go Like

6:39

I don't remember when they say that saw and you

6:41

to go again as he loses his back and forth.

6:43

Until which Luca played with my brain

6:45

and a I really think the internet

6:48

pretty huge role in the Us. I

6:50

mean the internet and Lugo words is

6:52

bad and your brain across the narrow

6:54

passage for as fast. As for seats,

6:56

And you're not alone

6:58

because this marketing. Campaign

7:00

This press run the

7:02

absolute. Looks than day I was

7:05

pulling off. I think of. Really influential

7:07

and making people show up along with

7:09

a really long lead time we had

7:11

because of the Come Out last year.

7:14

I think you're right in that people haven't. Been

7:16

so Federer movie like this since Barbie hi

7:18

Maria and if you've been on twitter for

7:20

the past week, it feels. Like everyone

7:23

has seen Challengers. As someone who

7:25

tries to avoid knowing anything about a

7:27

movie before going and it was actually

7:29

hard for me to avoid running into

7:31

Meme as I was when his movies,

7:33

but I really love the conversations people

7:35

are having, so let's have one of

7:38

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7:40

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service he plus. Since for you

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as that sounds his head and must

9:54

have looked start with this. What

9:56

was your favorite? kind of

9:58

moment or smooth from this

10:00

movie. I know it's probably gonna be hard to

10:02

pick. And

10:05

it's not the scene that a lot of

10:07

Twitter likes, but I think for me, there's

10:09

a part where Patrick has just gone on

10:11

his first date with Tashi. They are practicing

10:14

and art like really wants to know if

10:16

they hooked up and Patrick is being kind

10:18

of coy. And right before they

10:20

get on the court to start hitting, Patrick like

10:22

holds his hand out for art to spit his

10:24

gum into his hand. And then he's like, hold

10:27

it and shrugs, which I thought was very Josh

10:29

O'Connor, not so much Patrick, but very smirky and

10:31

cute. So that's my first one. And

10:34

my second one art is about to play

10:36

the French kid art with his whole team

10:38

and Tashi walked down the corridor. The French

10:40

kid comes up with his dad and he's

10:43

like so excited. He's like, Oh my God,

10:45

it's art Donaldson. And when the French kid

10:47

passes, he's so excited

10:49

to say hi art gives him

10:51

the meanest, dirtiest, tankiest

10:54

predator hunting his prey stare in the world. And the

10:56

French kid is like, Oh my

10:58

God, he's gonna kill me. I

11:00

thought that was so funny. What

11:02

about you? I think one of

11:04

my favorite parts that I also

11:07

think is a very good kind

11:09

of character description moment is when

11:11

Patrick in present day is basically

11:13

using Tinder as Airbnb because he

11:15

broke. And so you

11:18

just see him like swiping through

11:20

Tinder on this crack phone screen.

11:22

Also, I think a good character

11:24

setting moment and he basically

11:26

ends up going on a date. And

11:30

we watch this day happen as all of

11:32

us are thinking, I know why this is happening.

11:37

I just feel like the way they add

11:39

these layers to each character of showing you

11:41

who they are was really smart. I feel

11:43

like I knew who all of these people

11:45

were by the end of the movie in

11:47

a way that I really enjoyed. Yeah. And

11:50

here's the thing, I have to say I

11:52

Walked out of this film. I'm on Patrick

11:54

side. I'm on Patrick side. I Think Patrick

11:56

Innocent art manipulative. And The reason why is

11:58

because I think. It is so

12:01

honest about how grungy and gross and

12:03

the disgusting he is. There is a

12:05

Cyril next to him that I've never

12:07

seen be so brass and so open

12:10

and honest seemed. That's kind of what

12:12

I really like about him. We have

12:14

over level of awareness. To Patrick

12:16

that I think both posse and

12:18

art don't have you. It's makes

12:21

them bounce off each other really

12:23

well. That was not a tennis

12:25

pond. Minimum. Split.

12:29

Speaking. Of bouncing. Speaking of John's

12:31

he, that's how about The score

12:33

which was composed by Trent Reznor

12:36

and Atticus Ross who you may

12:38

know as the guys from Nine

12:40

Inch Nails but they're also the

12:43

guys behind the Social Network soundtrack

12:45

was won the Oscar for best

12:47

original score. They also one that

12:50

oscar for Soul Back and Twenty

12:52

Twenty. Which means is this the

12:54

trifecta. Can you

12:56

describe the way the music works? Because

12:58

it's it's. There is a very different kind of

13:01

score than I think I'm used to for a

13:03

movie. There's something about

13:05

this new that. That.

13:07

Both. Current and Atticus have talked

13:10

about the been set as cat.

13:12

Now it's house and electronic. It

13:14

really drives in that way and

13:16

it is kinetic. It is perfect

13:18

workout music. It. Bounces and

13:21

I actually think the bouncing is important

13:23

Peter Something you notice is that posse

13:25

and I think art pieces c code

13:27

to some. They. Do the

13:29

same when when they're waiting for the other person to

13:31

serve. they bounce between left, right, left, right, left, right

13:33

and I really felt like the music was. Completely.

13:36

Parallel. To that's just as idea like when

13:38

you're playing tennis you can never to standstill, you

13:40

have to always be emotion, you always have to

13:42

run to center all the stops. and the music

13:44

this the same thing. it doesn't let up and

13:46

I know lot of people on twitter of and

13:48

saying that like the music was so loud I

13:51

couldn't hear what they were saying and I completely

13:53

understand. There are parts especially when Patrick and harsher

13:55

in the car them like I need taps and

13:57

ice caps. That

14:00

the same time the new it seeps

14:02

into you in a way that your

14:04

motives are like I don't give a

14:06

fuck what they're saying. I do this

14:08

and see the way that the Society's

14:10

did. I get it and I would

14:12

actually compare it to the theme song

14:14

from. Season Two of White Lotus.

14:26

The way that that kind of

14:28

tribes in the second half and

14:30

the way it was playing and

14:32

clubs up summer I was like

14:35

to go to Lindsay Lohan, Greece

14:37

and Beads Club. I want to

14:39

listen to Brutalize or on repeat

14:41

I gotta go I gotta go

14:43

by I would say I'm I

14:45

see red score head is probably

14:47

it sound as mass Point. Of

14:58

her. Year

15:00

where an. Art and Patrick

15:02

are. Playing the final round and I love

15:04

it. it is. It really reminds me of the

15:06

cell they remind the why you love it so

15:08

that. Is a song that I keep

15:11

replaying. But what about you? What did you like from

15:13

the score? So it's less

15:15

of a specific. Moment and more

15:17

than hoots that Lucerne

15:20

gave. I'm Trent an

15:22

addict is with this.

15:24

They both were like man I wish I

15:26

had the knows who gave us. They were

15:28

so funny and Reznor said. I'm

15:31

ending homo erotic desire. It

15:34

was all a series of

15:36

those three words. And I just

15:38

I love a man with of this

15:40

and. So on ending homoerotic

15:43

desire, you know? So that was

15:45

my. Favorite bit about the score was

15:47

that it clearly had it in and since.

15:50

It had a purpose and I think we

15:52

all thought that by, I think it's on

15:54

the move. On to the seems that

15:56

most people who have been online.

15:59

Have. Seen. And

16:01

the mean. That kind of came

16:03

out of them. So I and

16:05

my attempt to avoid spoilers have

16:08

been scrolling really fast past any

16:10

videos of the movie Ass. So

16:12

what seems that the internet love.

16:14

So one is definitely the trial and

16:17

it's like finding a three second long

16:19

moment that people keep clipping. Side is

16:21

Patrick and aren't close as they're both

16:23

eating sir I was docile. Connor takes

16:25

a bite gives the to make sized

16:28

he bites it to be Berlin. The

16:30

thing is the other seen that people

16:32

are loving as does right before that

16:34

it's Lan just. O'connor Polls.

16:38

The. Stool closer build art comes to closer

16:40

to me. People of that and I

16:42

love that. Rachel. Maybe we stop

16:44

the poster. Hussein Horrible poster. Police

16:46

have more. Yeah, yeah. So you

16:48

ever wondered who him up with posters?

16:50

So it is a Challengers poster. And

16:53

this twitter account. Called Films

16:56

To Films Posted this self

16:58

made soldiers post there were

17:00

they divided the word sounders

17:02

into two lines. so the

17:04

first line is chow. C.

17:07

H A L L E

17:09

And then the second line

17:11

is. Nz Ers

17:13

and I'm. Sore at

17:16

most of you can figure

17:18

out where most people's minds

17:20

whimsy when. They saw

17:22

that and flags minutes

17:24

with could. Raise. Yep,

17:28

Yep, Yep. this attack was roasted

17:30

so hard. Id actually got so

17:32

bad that people were starting to

17:34

believe it was an official movie

17:37

poster and Amazon. and cm. Had

17:39

to say something. So the official. Towns

17:41

as accounts we did Happy it's houses

17:43

day from our own me of the

17:46

So posters and this is supposed to

17:48

do not have that specific ever. Exactly.

17:52

So I feel like we're kind of

17:54

been circling around Twitter and how it's

17:56

respond to this movie, but I haven't

17:58

actually had a chance. ask you

18:00

yet, Candace, what are your favorite

18:02

tweets about the movie? Whose words

18:05

are running through your mind when

18:07

you inevitably go see Challenger for

18:09

a fourth time? It's funny because

18:11

this one I had seen, but you had sent it

18:13

to me at the same time. So you

18:15

know. So Joel can boost her. Comedian

18:17

we love who wrote, I can't stop thinking

18:19

about Challenger's. My whole life is consumed. Just

18:22

called an Uber like in Challenger's. Working on

18:24

my laptop, Zendaya works on a laptop in

18:26

Challenger's. Kissing a man. Wish I were doing

18:28

this in front of Zendaya, etc. And I

18:30

was like, oh, I completely understand because honestly,

18:33

when I listen to the soundtrack, I literally

18:35

go into this walk that literally reminds me

18:37

of Patrick Bateman in American Psycho when he's

18:39

walking into the office. I'm

18:42

like focused, but in a deranged way. Speaking

18:44

of deranged, my favorite tweet is

18:47

from Josh and they tweeted dating

18:49

apps aren't working anymore. I'm going

18:51

to start sitting next to couples

18:54

at Challenger's screenings, which is

18:57

the funniest thing in the world.

18:59

I also keep seeing people sharing

19:01

screenshots of their theater maps and

19:03

seeing like two people in

19:05

the back of the theater or

19:07

three people in the back

19:10

of the theater and being like, what's

19:12

going on there? Yeah,

19:14

I will say this. My first screening of

19:16

Challenger's I sat behind a mother

19:19

and her teenage son. Oh, the

19:21

entire time I was like, oh,

19:23

I am purring for your relationship

19:25

at the end of this movie.

19:28

And I really feel this need since I'm already

19:30

in the trenches to shout out like two people on Twitter

19:32

who have really kept me living this week. One

19:35

is at Ali underscore Civi, whose username is

19:37

bald and tennis down. Wow. So many tweets

19:39

about this. I will say my favorite one

19:41

is quote, my favorite character in a movie

19:44

or show will always be the one who'd

19:46

get most annoyed by two factor authentication. Dot

19:48

dot dot Roman Roy and Patrick's bag are

19:50

very different, but they have this in common

19:53

and they do. I can see that so

19:55

clearly. I also feel like we can't not

19:58

talk about the insane amount. of

20:00

edits, videos that are

20:03

set to the Challenger score. I've seen

20:05

so many tweets along the sign of

20:08

fuck it, X, Y, and

20:10

Z to the Challenger score. Yeah,

20:13

I've seen Top Gun, I've seen Dune, too,

20:15

like it's going off. And I will say

20:17

we have a winner. We have a winner

20:19

of Best Edit, and this is community sponsored.

20:22

And the winner is Emma B. Underscore

20:24

Videos, who made this great edit set

20:26

to, I Like the Way You Kiss

20:28

Me by Artemis. What do you think?

20:31

I'll fucking dare you. Oh. So

20:39

we're talking about Twitter, and it makes me want

20:41

to ask the question, why do you

20:43

think this movie hit so hard with

20:46

the internet? There aren't a lot of

20:48

movies that immediately get a kind of

20:50

meme cycle in the way that Challengers

20:52

did. So box

20:54

office wise, this movie did very well. Domestically

20:56

it made $15 million in its opening weekend.

21:00

It's interesting because the Hollywood Reporter said that

21:03

female moviegoers made up 58% of

21:05

Freddie's audience, while a whopping 76% of ticket buyers were

21:08

between ages 18 and 34. And

21:11

that is young. This movie wasn't supposed to

21:13

be commercial, it's literally called by AMC, and

21:15

AMC Artisan Film. And so it's really interesting

21:17

that it's taking over the internet in a

21:19

way that is comparable to Barbenheimer. I've

21:22

been trying to figure out what is it about

21:24

this movie that has really engaged the

21:26

internet. My first thing is that I

21:28

often look at movies as like, okay,

21:30

am I trying to engage or escape?

21:33

For this one, it was a bit of an

21:35

escape, but I wonder if possibly

21:37

an explanation for why younger people really came out

21:39

for this movie, for women, why they came out

21:42

to this movie is because it's

21:44

May and college campuses

21:46

are undergoing a lot of chaos right

21:49

now. You know, I'm in LA where

21:51

one of the biggest stories of the

21:53

past three weeks has been surrounding USC,

21:56

who according to the LA

21:58

Times, canceled the upcoming graduation. speech

22:00

of an undergraduate valedictorian who has,

22:02

quote, come under fire for her

22:04

pro-Palestinian views. USC

22:06

later canceled their main siege commencement,

22:09

and that situation just keeps getting

22:11

worse. Then we have

22:13

UCLA, who has been going through some really

22:16

terrifying violence. You know, the

22:18

LA Times has been following

22:21

that story, which escalated after

22:23

UCLA reportedly declared an on-campus

22:25

pro-Palestinian encampment, quote, unlawful. Even

22:28

a group of pro-Israel counterprotesters attacked the

22:31

camp, and police officers reportedly

22:33

took, quote, hours to stop the violence.

22:36

It is pretty hard to be a

22:38

college student right now, I imagine, a

22:40

place for me to be in this, like, sporty

22:43

and rich universe for two hours and

22:45

be my hyper-fixation as the thing that's bringing me

22:47

joy. And I wonder if a lot of students

22:49

and a lot of young people really

22:52

needed that right now. I

22:54

think that's such a smart

22:56

analysis of this moment because

22:58

my Twitter timeline, I

23:01

mean, my Instagram feed, too, honestly,

23:03

has just been a sea

23:05

of videos and photos

23:08

of unarmed students

23:11

peacefully protesting the genocide in

23:13

Gaza at schools like Columbia

23:15

or CCNY, the City College

23:17

of New York. And

23:20

observers like CNN's Miguel Marquez are

23:22

reporting things like, quote, I've covered

23:24

lots of this sort of stuff

23:26

around the world, and I've never

23:28

seen this many police moving into

23:31

one area, end quote. And

23:34

those images are immediately followed

23:36

by challenger memes. And honestly,

23:38

oftentimes, even being retweeted or

23:40

reposted by the exact same

23:43

people, like, they're existing at

23:45

the same time and with

23:47

a similar level of engagement. So

23:49

I really do think you're capturing

23:52

something about this moment where, quite

23:54

honestly, things are feeling pretty dire.

23:56

And sometimes you just need two

23:58

hours to watch. watch Hot People

24:01

Kiss and it's a privilege to be

24:03

able to do that, to be clear, to be able

24:05

to take a break from the news, but it

24:07

seems like the people who have that privilege are

24:09

taking it. I mean, I mean we are clearly,

24:12

but speaking of taking a break, it

24:14

is time for us to take one. We've

24:18

been talking about everything from our

24:20

favorite scenes from challengers, our favorite

24:22

tweets about challengers, our

24:24

favorite needle drops in challengers, and when

24:26

we come back, we'll be talking about

24:29

challengers. We'll be diving into some more

24:31

elements of this movie and its press

24:33

cycle that kept the internet

24:35

highly entertained, including my personal

24:37

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we're back. So Rachel, you have

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probably seen the many, many, many

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tennis inspired looks and moments Zendaya has

27:51

been serving on this press tour. So

27:53

I have a question for you. What

27:56

have been your favorites in day of style

27:58

moments so far? So first. I want to give

28:00

a shout out to Ets Sarah Saint,

28:03

who did this incredible magazine

28:06

spread edit of Zendaya's press

28:08

tour outfits that I

28:11

have just been zooming

28:13

in on for the past

28:16

few days because it's all so

28:18

good. I mean,

28:20

so famously Zendaya

28:22

has been collaborating with La Roach for

28:24

basically her entire career. La Roach also

28:27

styled Celine Dion. She's done a lot

28:29

of incredible work with people's images and

28:31

describes himself as an image architect. I

28:35

love this custom Vera Wang

28:37

dress that Zendaya wore that is

28:39

pink and black and is, I

28:41

think, supposed to be inspired by

28:43

one of the outfits that Zendaya

28:45

wears in the film. There was

28:47

this really beautiful ready to wear

28:50

set from Brunella Cucinelli that she

28:52

wore that's like all white and

28:54

gives Martha's Vineyard.

28:56

You know, like she just looks

29:00

expensive. She's been wearing a lot of tennis

29:02

themed outfits when she's in a more casual

29:04

setting. So like tennis skirts when she's kind

29:06

of walking out of someplace. But

29:09

her skirts in general have been evoking for

29:12

me this kind of 1950s moment. Like

29:16

she's been wearing a lot of

29:18

like kind of A-line, midi, round

29:20

skirts. I'm interested as to why

29:23

she chose that silhouette for this

29:25

movie and what she's trying to

29:27

go for. But I always feel

29:29

like Zendaya's style is so well

29:31

thought out that I'm just like,

29:33

tell me the story. What's the story here?

29:35

I want to hear it. And I

29:37

also, I'm sorry, Mago Robbie, I know you were tired

29:39

of wearing pink by the end of it, but that

29:42

was just so boring to me because it's like, of

29:44

course you're wearing pink for Barbie. I

29:46

appreciate that Zendaya is not just wearing

29:48

tennis green, but she is also wearing

29:50

tennis green at various moments. Exactly.

29:54

And I would actually like to talk about Jonathan

29:56

Anderson for a second, who is a costume designer

29:58

for this film. You may

30:00

know him as the creative director of

30:02

Lueve, which is the friend, but you

30:04

know, they love Josh O'Connor, Mike Feist,

30:06

Luca, they've all been to the show.

30:09

You probably seen on the internet that shirt

30:11

I told you that like Zendaya wears. First

30:14

off, that shirt, yes, you can buy it. You

30:17

can buy it on the Lueve website for $330.

30:20

Not saying you

30:22

should, I'm saying you could. But the other thing is,

30:25

Jonathan Anderson said that he

30:27

got that shirt because JFK

30:29

Jr. once

30:31

wore it. And he said that

30:33

the character of Patrick is kind

30:35

of based on JFK Jr.'s style.

30:37

And I love JFK and the

30:39

Carolyn Bissette vibes. It

30:41

all makes sense in this cohesive way

30:43

that is unfortunately catnip for me. I

30:46

mean, I think what so many

30:49

of the fashion choices these actors

30:51

have made on the kind of

30:53

red carpet press tour, whatever, have

30:56

also fed into the internet hype

30:58

cycle. Like one thing that both

31:00

Lavroach and Zendaya understand very, very

31:03

well is that just the image

31:05

of a person is enough to

31:07

give them star power. So much

31:10

of what preceded Zendaya's

31:12

rise to being in a movie

31:14

like this, to being in Dune

31:16

2, to being the kind of star

31:19

that she is now is what Lavroach

31:21

did with her, which is to put

31:23

her on red carpets in these very

31:25

iconic outfits that immediately screamed movie

31:28

star. So that now we

31:30

look at Zendaya and we think movie

31:32

star, it's this almost moment

31:35

of wishing yourself into existence.

31:39

And so this press cycle feels almost

31:41

like a completion in a way, where

31:44

before the fashion felt

31:46

aspirational, not in that Zendaya

31:49

couldn't pull it off, because quite honestly, Zendaya

31:51

could model and shit on all the girls

31:53

out there. She is

31:55

a phenomenal model, but it

31:57

feels like a completion point.

32:00

in that she is now the movie star that

32:02

they were making her to be

32:05

in her fashion over the past 10 years

32:08

that they've been working together. So

32:10

I really appreciated that kind of full circle

32:12

moment for her. I think the internet has

32:14

been a huge part of that. There are

32:16

so many Zendaya looks that are constantly, constantly

32:18

put on my feet because they're so iconic.

32:21

And the reason she's even serving

32:23

us these looks is because she has

32:25

to go on this huge campaign tour

32:27

for challengers. Now, a big reason why

32:29

this movie was pushed from September 2023

32:31

to April is because of the

32:34

SAG after a strike, which meant actors could

32:36

not promote their work. And I think in

32:38

this instance, Zendaya, Josh O'Connor, Mike Feist, I

32:40

do think they needed to get on the

32:43

campaign trail and they freaked it. So Rachel,

32:45

what has been like your favorite moment from the

32:47

press tour? An element

32:49

of real synergy kind of

32:51

working underneath this press cycle

32:53

is that all three of

32:56

these people, Josh O'Connor, Mike

32:58

Feist, Zendaya, they are all

33:00

quite private. And so

33:03

we rarely see them

33:06

unless they're on tour, unless they're

33:08

on a press tour like right now.

33:11

And so by kind

33:13

of keeping them away from

33:16

us, it means that all these

33:18

videos are going so much more

33:20

viral than I think they would if it

33:23

was like a Sydney Sweeney who

33:25

people charge as

33:27

being overexposed. All to say,

33:29

I just don't think that there would be a

33:31

piece breaking down how much

33:33

Josh O'Connor loves the movie

33:35

Ratatouille and he's mentioning it

33:37

on the campaign trail had

33:40

he not been an extremely private

33:42

person up until this moment. And

33:45

so I just appreciate that like the real

33:47

key to virality is people

33:49

think it's posting a lot and it can be

33:52

if you're that kind of person, but it's actually

33:54

knowing when to back off, like when

33:56

to be quiet, when to make people miss

33:58

you so that when there's a flood of

34:00

content which we're going to have for this movie until

34:03

the Oscars wrap up, we

34:06

aren't sick of them. And speaking of just like

34:08

press cycle, I really love this tweet from at

34:10

Y Rev who wrote, obsessed with the fact that

34:13

three introverts have to do a worldwide press tour

34:15

together. Cause like you were saying, I think

34:17

they're like, privateness also just comes from their

34:19

like they don't want to show about anything.

34:21

I love how this

34:24

press tour has kind of really separated the

34:26

actor from the role because it not only

34:28

shows like how good they are as actors,

34:30

but it also kind of showed how much

34:32

physical work they put into this film. I

34:34

trained so much how much like personality work

34:36

they had to do for Josh O'Connor to

34:38

be like, I am now going to play an

34:41

asshole that looked hard. That looked hard.

34:43

Speaking of a physical work, an actual

34:46

moment that we're going to play on

34:48

the show from this press tour that

34:50

I think has been going absolutely viral

34:52

is when Josh O'Connor and my fights

34:55

were talking about the regimen they had

34:57

to do when they were

34:59

training for this movie, which by

35:01

the way, paid off. They both

35:04

phenomenal, but in a way

35:06

that actually meshes with their characters. Yeah,

35:09

Mike seems to have followed the

35:11

plan and Josh didn't. Josh did what

35:13

I would have done. But

35:15

here's the clip. We met with a nutritionist. They

35:17

gave us a diet. They put us. We

35:20

had like the same. We all had the same coach, but

35:22

a lot of the training Josh and I did together. And

35:24

we're like, okay, we're going to do this together. And

35:27

you know, I found out just like a

35:29

week ago that Josh like fully was not

35:31

sticking to the nutrition. He was eating whatever

35:33

he wanted. I'm like behind. Like

35:36

I would be on the bike and Brian who

35:38

trained us would be working me and I'd be

35:40

like masochistic and like going so

35:42

hard. And meanwhile, Josh is like, oh,

35:44

thank God. Yeah. Here's

35:46

the funny thing. Josh

35:50

looked crazy hot in this

35:53

movie. Feral like Jeremy Allen

35:55

White, just like dirty

35:58

hot. I

36:00

actually think you're right that it was possibly

36:02

a choice as well, because the whole thing

36:04

is that Mike Feist's

36:07

character is trained, he is disciplined,

36:09

he drinks the AG one that's

36:11

given to him. Whereas

36:13

Patrick has no team, he has no

36:15

sponsors, he's just like freewheeling this. He

36:18

doesn't care! And that really

36:20

speaks to the physicality of it. It

36:22

does. I mean, even their

36:24

appearances. Mike Feist being so blonde and

36:26

Josh O'Connor being very dark-haired, curly hair,

36:28

a little bit of ginger in his

36:30

beard. Anyway,

36:33

yeah. This entire

36:35

press cycle, I always

36:37

appreciate a well-oiled press

36:40

cycle as people who

36:42

are required to kind of wade through a

36:44

lot of PR. There's

36:47

a real skill to it that

36:49

I think most people don't understand.

36:52

The reason you like certain actors, the real

36:54

reason is that some of them have really

36:57

good teams behind them. And

36:59

Zendaya definitely has a phenomenal

37:02

team behind her. The fact that

37:04

she went from Disney star to

37:06

now with no scandal, she

37:09

has a phenomenal team behind her and you

37:11

can see the way that she actually brings

37:13

all of her co-stars into it. There's

37:16

a way that her co-stars get the Zendaya gloss

37:18

on them whenever they're touring with her.

37:20

I really would like to spin this on to you

37:23

because I actually have one question I've been dying to

37:25

ask, which is, who are you? Who

37:27

do you think you are in the movie? I

37:32

don't know if I'm anyone

37:34

in the main trio.

37:37

Oh, interesting. Just

37:40

because, I mean, quite honestly, all

37:43

of them are bad in

37:46

very specific ways. They're

37:48

all just deeply self-centered in a

37:50

way that athletes have to be. And

37:55

I don't relate to any of them. But

37:57

if I had to, I would say I relate the

37:59

most. to art even though

38:01

you hate him the most. Oh my

38:04

god, oh my god.

38:06

Because art wants to be

38:08

good at something, but

38:10

also I think

38:12

for him that something doesn't

38:15

consume him. What consumes

38:18

him are the relationships

38:20

that he makes through

38:22

the thing that he's doing, which is

38:24

tennis. And once

38:27

he gets to a point in

38:29

his life where tennis no longer

38:32

is the primary mode that he's meeting people,

38:35

you can tell that he's over it. And

38:37

I think I would also reach a point

38:39

where I'm just like, I actually

38:42

don't need to keep performing at this level

38:45

for my entire life. It doesn't make any

38:47

sense. He's like, I paid my dues. I

38:50

want to be done with this. And I just don't

38:52

think Tashi or Patrick have the ability

38:54

to know when it's

38:56

time to stop. Yeah,

38:59

I think with art, another thing he kind of

39:01

exemplifies is that just because you're good at something

39:03

doesn't mean you should or have to do it

39:05

forever. Or that you

39:08

should or have to be the best. To be good

39:10

at something is good

39:12

enough. And it's not

39:14

even like art is not good. He is

39:16

very good. But he's like, I actually don't

39:18

need to be the best. And I

39:20

don't know if I want to be the best. And

39:22

I don't know if I want to make the sacrifices

39:24

that I have to make to be

39:27

the best. And I appreciate that

39:29

about him. So I

39:31

think with Patrick, Patrick is

39:33

always alone. He's walking into the

39:36

court alone. He's driving his CRV

39:38

alone. Whereas art is constantly surrounded

39:41

by people. But you

39:43

know that feeling of like,

39:45

just because you're not

39:47

alone doesn't mean you're lonely. And

39:50

I find that really interesting. But I

39:53

just relate to the way he

39:55

sees life and navigates through it,

39:57

just coasting on charms. He doesn't

39:59

care. He is feral

40:01

driven and I completely

40:03

get that. I

40:06

envy that because I just do

40:08

not have the flexibility of

40:10

character to ever

40:12

live out of my car. Oh

40:14

yeah, that's a no-no for me, that's

40:17

a no-no. But if you're Patrick

40:20

and I'm art, who is Artashi? Oh,

40:25

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