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I hate it! But

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I love it! I

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high-bile everybody! I highly want it all. Welcome to

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I Hate It But I Love It. I am

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Jocelyn Getty. I am Kat Ingeuss and this is

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the podcast about all the pop culture you love

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and hate simultaneously. Well last week we talked

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about murder at the end of the world for the rest of the

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month. We will be talking about thrillers from

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the 1990s beginning this

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week with Dubla Jeopardy. Double

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Jeopardy. Yes, a movie that I

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think absolutely must have inspired the

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iconic arrested development line. A husband

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and wife cannot be convicted of

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the same crime. That's

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not true, Dad. Really? I

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got the worst fucking address. Yeah

1:02

and I think actually I have to say

1:04

I was sort of taken aback by this

1:06

movie only because I'd melded it together with

1:08

Kiss the Girls in my mind. So when

1:10

Morgan Freeman wasn't in it I was like,

1:13

right, right. What's happening?

1:15

Have you ever had that when you're sitting down

1:18

and you're like, of course, double jeopardy,

1:20

Morgan Freeman. And he never came.

1:22

I was like, am I dying? Is there

1:25

an after credits scene? Where is

1:27

he? There's a director's cut I urge you to seek

1:29

out. What

1:31

do you think about Double Jeopardy? I mean

1:34

this isn't how Double Jeopardy works. This

1:36

might be one of the most legally inaccurate

1:38

movies of all time. So if y'all

1:40

don't know, this is about a woman

1:43

who is framed for the murder of

1:45

her husband and goes to prison, then

1:47

discovers he's actually alive and she is

1:49

informed by a fellow inmate who obviously

1:51

is an expert on this that

1:54

because of the law of Double Jeopardy,

1:56

it means you can't, which means you can't get

1:58

a truck. that

4:00

pocket. All right, fair enough. But

4:03

yeah, silly film. A

4:05

lot of moment thrills like, what were you planning

4:07

here? And it's nothing. She wasn't planning a thing.

4:12

What did you think? Have you seen this before? I

4:14

had seen it before. And yes, I feel very

4:16

similarly. It's sort of, it is in the

4:18

way of 90s thrillers. It's, you know,

4:21

it's, it's poopy, it's goofy.

4:23

It's kind of satisfying in a

4:25

way where it's like, oh,

4:27

it's an adult movie about doing

4:30

spooky things. I

4:32

think, you know, I think this is one of

4:34

Ashley Judd's big sort of coming out movies as

4:36

it were. And I think she's compelling to watch.

4:41

Her character doesn't make a lick of scent.

4:43

Right. For a

4:45

revenge thriller, it's really a

4:47

couple of scenes of her

4:49

doing like one or two

4:51

sit ups, and then no

4:53

plan at all. Absolutely. This

4:55

movie's understanding of the legal

4:57

system could not be

4:59

more fun. And while you

5:01

know, it's interesting, you know, because

5:04

I feel like we

5:07

go back and forth all the time

5:09

on the show between like, do you

5:11

want more information? Do you want less

5:13

information? Do you want more verisimilitude? Do

5:16

you want less verisimilitude? With

5:19

this, it's like it's an engaging

5:21

idea. You can jump behind it,

5:24

but then it undercuts

5:26

its own premise so much. It's like

5:28

you can get away with something illegal

5:30

because you already did it before, according to the

5:32

eyes of the law, and then proceeding to do a

5:35

jillion crimes that never seem

5:40

to come up. So

5:44

it's fun to watch, but it's a fucking dog.

5:47

It's so fucking stupid.

5:49

This movie, like I had a

5:51

good time watching it, but I was like, come On,

5:53

come on. This is the whole movie of

5:55

Come On. Oh My God. Come on. What

5:57

is the plan at any point? Why

6:01

is the plan? What is Joey? God? what

6:03

are you doing? Know. Oh and as

6:05

I mean now I will say

6:07

if this were starting, Sandra Bullock's

6:09

nicer, sensible. It's. A perfect. Episode

6:13

sixteen so explicitly immediately.

6:15

Fifty Eight. Sleep. I

6:17

still love Ashley Judd enough for me to

6:20

be like. Yeah. I like

6:22

her but not enough to for me to

6:24

fully dead over the hump of that's Moscow.

6:26

Any of this work on not hopeless. Although

6:31

the movie would be the best comedy of

6:33

all time, To hold

6:35

her out on it like if if she were to

6:37

come out and be like ah yes well I'm tried

6:39

to commit doubles every. To have people be like that

6:41

is not. With that if it's if you

6:44

enjoy a specific oh no no assistant

6:46

go years. He was like I get.

6:49

Killed I. Don't

6:52

know where that you think it's

6:54

a lot of to watch sniffles

6:56

every Saturday afternoon. Movies? Are you

6:58

sit on the couch? Questionable? Jeopardy

7:00

you? that affords them Luxury? Double

7:03

Jeopardy. Von. Realize it's

7:05

hard to say double Jeopardy without sounding

7:07

like double. Jeopardy! Double Jeopardy! Has he said

7:09

Double Jeopardy right now? But my ears I'm

7:11

excited As a jumble Japanese you and I

7:13

have well I I will give well. Either

7:16

way, Double Jeopardy is polly work and

7:18

amateurs of god that for now and

7:20

ah by hub above the movies. Such

7:22

a tough one. Hundred percent though it's

7:24

right now in Toronto. it is gray

7:26

and drizzly is a perfect. Double Jeopardy?

7:28

Exactly. Double

7:31

Jeopardy? Just a separate I'm

7:33

sad you get. The. Deaths of

7:35

the Why described my get hot. Dogs

7:38

so sloppy. Hot dogs that pussy

7:40

foot snow to see a little

7:42

slug on the couch. Smith supporters

7:44

that you know it was. Double

7:46

Jeopardy Hot dog kind of in between your

7:48

teeth as understand be like and on and.

7:51

On but while you're watching Double Jeopardy

7:53

out of what I or to be

7:55

like abducted don't see what about the

7:57

Node South Seas know So to have

7:59

allowed his. No, please don't choke me

8:01

back. I don't want anything that you're choking

8:03

on in my throat. That's

8:05

how I assume it works and I don't. I don't care

8:07

for it. We will get into double jeopardy

8:10

right now. It is the story of

8:12

Libby, a woman who seems to have

8:14

it all. Or does she?

8:17

Or she does, but not for long. She

8:20

has a little boy named Maddie. Don't worry,

8:22

she'll repeat it a lot. And

8:24

she is married to Bruce Greenwood, who

8:27

is a charming man of community. Perfect

8:30

description, yes. And

8:32

then he's taking her out on the

8:34

cool sailboat that

8:39

she loves and

8:41

they have a steamy night on the

8:44

boat and then she wakes up and he's

8:46

gone and there's blood everywhere. And

8:48

then there's a knife that she just picks up and

8:50

then the police arrive. I must say,

8:52

if you saw a knife, wouldn't you pick it up

8:54

too if you were in shock? I

8:57

don't know what I would do if I were in shock, but

8:59

also I'd do it better and not pick up the knife.

9:02

Just so mad that this turned into I

9:09

would do a better moment. I

9:12

do it better are always so funny

9:14

because you never fully consider what it

9:16

is you're saying. It's like the prime

9:19

example is Cat confidently proclaiming she would

9:21

do it better than Oscar Isaac and

9:23

Ex Machina and only belatedly realizing when

9:25

I called her out that she would

9:28

be better at holding a woman hostage.

9:30

And at this case, you would be

9:32

much better at being framed for murder.

9:34

Like you said what you were

9:37

saying. Yes, I'd be better at it. My

9:39

fingerprints would not be on the knife. But

9:41

you'd still be framed for murder. I'd still be framed for murder

9:43

for sure, but then they couldn't tie the knife to me. But

9:47

everything else is. But

9:49

the knife can't. I would get on the

9:51

boat, I would fall asleep, I would let

9:53

all of this happen to me. But

9:56

I would not pick up the knife. I think you'd sleep in. I think

9:58

I would sleep in too. Oh, I would sleep in so. The police

10:00

would have to wake be a specific

10:02

like weird zero what the hell is

10:05

wrong footed said why are? So he

10:07

says this is through the system. Exists

10:10

eyes of the seriousness of. On

10:14

the so anyway, she goes to

10:16

jail. Were based. fast forward through all that.

10:18

They're just like we gotta get to the

10:20

main signals. It's so funny. Because it's would you

10:22

write. The entire plot does feel like it's on.

10:25

South for her. it's like the.ago we

10:27

don't go go go go go the

10:29

that big things tennis here we are.

10:31

There's not a plan, they simply specific.

10:34

Would you? what you feel like you're watching

10:36

is like a lot of ramp up where

10:38

it's like a lotta going up that roller

10:40

coaster hail of like here and com severe

10:43

com double jeopardy. A. Lazy

10:46

we would see do it correctly so

10:48

far as wanted to wear the burqa

10:50

zoc another car at a sold out

10:52

as to what to a graveyard ago

10:54

bunch of. The

10:56

color of it. but it's say

10:58

no. Florida Pluto played one. Right

11:02

way. I feel like we gotta get

11:04

into why double jeopardy is not as

11:06

a hard say. Okay, so Double Jeopardy

11:08

like it, but that doesn't exist because

11:10

it's trying to. The. Point is

11:12

that like foods the country of the

11:14

government's stance is keep trying you like

11:17

it's supposed to be. Would you guess

11:19

they get one shot to prove their

11:21

prove their case. If they fail that

11:23

set it doesn't mean that like if

11:25

you got falsely convicted you could then

11:27

go with murder this guy because that's

11:29

not the same crimes you would be

11:31

to a gym on a different the

11:33

to sit in a different way to

11:35

zap that is a separate crime you

11:37

can absolutely because of. At one hundred

11:39

percent the details are different, the situation

11:41

is different that constitutes. A different from

11:43

this is like a similar to tried

11:45

for murder you had failed the summer tried

11:48

again they would be would still gets ride

11:50

best that since. this

11:53

and that pertains to both being in

11:55

the same same but also certainly in

11:57

a different stages what happens in this

11:59

sub Especially when that guy now has

12:01

a different identity. Yeah, it's like this

12:04

movie is basically saying, sure, she got

12:06

in trouble for burglaring in New York,

12:08

but will she get in trouble for

12:11

burglaring in Boston? Yes. Because

12:14

that's how the law works. Exactly.

12:19

Or yeah, like, oh, yeah, she was

12:21

convicted of burglaring this house, and then

12:23

she burgled it again. So

12:25

they can't do anything about it. Not how

12:28

that works at all. The first time she

12:30

took a piano, but the second time she

12:32

took a keyboard. Still different. Still different. Still

12:35

completely different. Yeah, and like, girl, just

12:37

some person in prison tells you this

12:40

and you don't look it up anywhere.

12:42

You're just like, well, it's gotta be true. I

12:45

mean, it does not make her the most compelling

12:47

of her ways that she's like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm,

12:49

that's all I needed to hear. Time

12:53

to do a singular sit-up. Well,

12:56

so because she's in jail, she asks,

12:58

I guess, her family friend slash nanny,

13:00

played by Annabeth Gish, to take custody

13:02

of her son while she's in prison,

13:04

and then they go missing. And

13:07

through some detectiving of her own from

13:09

prison, she makes a choice to find.

13:12

The scenes where she's like, pretending to be Annabeth

13:14

Gish to like, get information, I'm like, those

13:16

prison phones absolutely start with, you're about to get

13:19

a call from a person in prison. That's the

13:21

first thing I thought, too. That

13:23

made me laugh so hard. You are about to

13:25

get a collect call from the

13:27

Toronto International Prison. Oh, hello,

13:29

it's Bill Gates

13:31

calling. I'm

13:34

regular, number one. And number two,

13:36

may I please have some information?

13:40

What's my password? I

13:42

guess I was just curious to know,

13:44

what's my banking password? Always.

13:49

Then like I said, comes in, you are currently on a

13:52

call with a person, an inmate. Exactly. Just

13:55

a reminder, this is jail calling you. But

13:57

I guess this movie is all about don't

13:59

think. about it, suspend that, that does

14:01

believe all the way up. I

14:04

mean, there's a part of the, I don't

14:07

quite know how to encapsulate the

14:09

emotion that it invoked in me,

14:11

because it's not admiration. But like,

14:14

there's, there's something I feel

14:16

as a writer, when someone is so cavalier

14:18

about something, I would not be cavalier about,

14:20

I don't know that I admire it or

14:22

that I want to be that but like,

14:25

it is so different, like, I would,

14:27

I would be mortified if I

14:30

got the details of Double Jeopardy

14:32

this wrong. I would be so

14:34

embarrassed. And I look at

14:36

that this person has the audacity to just

14:38

be like, but imagine if it were like

14:40

that. And then enough studios were like, imagine

14:42

if it were like that. 100% like I

14:44

just can't, I can't

14:49

encapsulate what that feels like. But

14:51

it's such a strange thing. Yeah.

14:53

Or to like open a movie

14:55

with like, fact, dinosaurs still exist.

14:58

What? They're like, but imagine if they did. You

15:00

said it was a fact. And I'm not talking

15:02

like a Jurassic

15:06

Park way where we've explained how we brought

15:08

them back. No, no, they've always been.

15:10

What are you talking about? But

15:19

anyway, she made it just to like track down

15:21

their new phone number. And ameth gish is surprised

15:23

to hear from her. And then

15:25

puts Maddie on the phone. And then once

15:27

you know it, Bruce Greenwood walks in the

15:30

room and Maddie yells, Daddy, and then they

15:32

hang up and then they hang up the

15:34

phone. And so now Libby knows that she's

15:36

been set up. And that

15:38

Bruce Greenwood needs to die. And she'll

15:41

get away with it because one person

15:43

in the laundry room told her it

15:45

was true. I wish this

15:47

movie were campier is what I would say. Or

15:50

like just a little bit like given how

15:52

cavalier they are with the actual rules. I

15:54

wish they had been more cavalier was just

15:56

sort of like how silly it could get

15:58

in a fun way. Well,

20:02

you're right, you're right. I mean, yes,

20:05

there is a shape for this story

20:08

where you could basically easily do

20:10

the exact same thing where she

20:12

waits just a smack-a-roll longer. Smack-a-roll

20:14

longer. Just a tiny smack-a-roll more

20:17

time before she enacts her. And

20:19

I am using the biggest scare

20:21

quotes I possibly can. Plan!

20:26

Her plan is basically

20:28

to get into a car and go, ahhhh, I'm

20:31

gonna kill you until she fights

20:33

him. Like, why did I break into

20:36

this room when there are clearly people

20:38

nearby with no exit

20:40

plan? Why don't I just

20:42

run on the beach where there's really nowhere to

20:44

go? 100%, why don't

20:46

I just walk straight up to him and

20:48

remove the element of surprise completely?

20:52

And then take him at face value when he's

20:54

like, oh, okay, well, you got me. You got

20:56

me, I guess. Let me give

20:58

you our thought. I

21:01

have a hard time getting behind Libby

21:03

as a character where she's like, well,

21:06

you bamboozled me once, but surely you'll

21:08

bamboozle me two times. Have

21:11

you seen that TikTok, but it's like, fool

21:13

me once, shame on you. Fool me

21:16

twice. Why would you do that? That's so

21:18

mean. At first. What?

21:22

Two. Oh,

21:24

no. D'aww.

21:29

And I love that she's kind of like, I'm

21:31

a genius because I managed to track him down

21:33

and not. He's also a genius

21:35

because he managed to trick me with

21:38

Anabex, the gish, into, you know, number

21:40

one, never finding out that they were

21:42

having an affair and getting on this

21:44

boat and basically handing over

21:46

custody of my son to the very person

21:48

that the two of them wanted me to

21:51

do that to. Clearly he's

21:54

smart as well. Yeah. But

21:56

she's like, but I cut him off guard and now he

21:58

has no time to make a point. Well

22:00

I'll see you and twenty four hours. Love

22:04

as the entire plot kind of about. Sue.

22:06

What's more powerful than the

22:09

element of surprise? Well.

22:12

I david on. Us

22:14

but. As that's all

22:16

I had a really. Smart

22:20

to was a while. He better

22:22

not to lure me a do

22:24

a graveyard and a button to

22:26

the existence of such. Devoured

22:29

suffered that footsteps as he sits

22:31

as a month. All of those

22:34

what was your plan moments the

22:36

worst one in my opinion. So

22:38

she gets caught pretty quickly by

22:40

touting the Zone. And

22:42

really bad at says success at so

22:44

he'd like to describe it or back

22:47

there are like the ferry and he's

22:49

like every job top aides or hand

22:51

consider the steering wheel feeling of superiority

22:53

of like All right let's get this

22:56

car drives and blood through. about to

22:58

drive the car off the boat into

23:00

the water. That's a real but only

23:02

one of. The

23:05

through over You gotta do what was

23:07

your. Place This

23:09

is the first thing you should do with.

23:11

Dip. Ahead of us can think about get

23:13

much more of the boat or maybe you're

23:16

just above the buffets. Know

23:20

I like the idea that she was

23:22

like sat. When you drive a car

23:24

into the water, the air to seize

23:26

in the car. Kind of like

23:28

a little helmet and the do i'm just

23:30

gonna drive along the bottom. Step

23:34

back out the other side, I'll be

23:36

aid. I don't know France at a

23:38

pretty sure that's how the geography works

23:40

out from say I sit, sit, sit.

23:43

I had my cocker physicists some high

23:45

horse and I really was a beds

23:47

maggie bad but it really is. It's

23:49

like well see. got off the boat

23:51

and there's nothing major do now so

23:54

it just uses for cheap flicks. Surely

23:56

he could go to I don't know

23:58

where. the captain of the. the president

24:00

radio to land to be like fugitive.away

24:02

sleep either. They're just like know she

24:05

got off supposed to revenue water so

24:07

now she could make it all the

24:09

way it or mom's house. who tells

24:11

has I guess. Five.

24:13

Hundred dollars hidden in the cigar to.

24:17

Read this is very sweaty weather just like well

24:19

I guess you we're mom's house in her mom's

24:22

like I saved some money for you as a

24:24

pretty really treatment might have a much deeper like

24:26

a hundred thousand twelve his interests like a sign

24:28

I just as i went. To. New

24:31

Orleans and I both defined as

24:33

far as himself the finest hotel

24:35

room still. Have

24:38

to be like a few hundred dollars in.

24:40

well you have a reasonable amount to hide.

24:42

And your Darcis This. Although I

24:44

do love the idea of as we said,

24:46

selling up in the garden and there's you

24:48

know, a perfectly manicured lawn. and then once

24:50

you. In the

24:52

saw it out barely today. It was

24:55

epitome of. S E I got

24:57

it all in coins. Smells of

24:59

colored. Played since this he was

25:01

probably cut through time but like there must

25:03

have read the seed with her mob of

25:05

big like so. You

25:08

were. In jail and now you're here.

25:10

How are you here? Said it's that it's

25:12

really just presented her with her over to

25:14

see what's yeah right? You're going to go

25:16

kill your husband. Me to Double Jeopardy. Works

25:19

like this. Here's the money. Goodbye Society. That

25:21

is absolutely you giving the film for best friend

25:23

and I don't think they would a specific surprised

25:25

that if they'd be like well we all know

25:28

the famous rule of double. Jeopardy which is

25:30

that you could do crime you since you

25:32

any cry like you're telling me that her

25:34

mom exists of the world and she has

25:36

of relationship with hurts but like to call

25:39

her mom from deal to be like I

25:41

just found out my husband's actually alive. Could

25:43

you help me track him down to go

25:45

to the police and help me at all?

25:48

Did you go to the lawyer? I should.

25:52

Go poise by so it's like I'm keep

25:54

it at all about so maybe. You're.

25:57

Right There's a lot of sept see

25:59

steps before. The before going straight

26:01

to well. time to. Do me own

26:03

murder. I

26:06

learned from a single person that it's legal and

26:08

that this aside. I was just really

26:10

positive. Just like, well, if you can't

26:12

get convicted for it, it's moral to

26:14

do. It

26:18

I'd be pissed if I were framed

26:20

for murder to turned out to be

26:22

with the lives but let's to ended

26:24

up at it. That works his way. But

26:26

if by magic I turned out I

26:28

could kill him a job would snow.

26:30

No matter how angry you were a

26:32

little. Yeah, I mean it's a state

26:35

of mind that needs more unpacking than

26:37

the movie, is willing to give it

26:39

up because it's so it just wants

26:41

to get going. but it's It's an

26:44

important piece of development. I feel it's

26:46

like a necessary building block that were

26:48

missing to fully. Get on board with the.

26:50

Adventure Because if if what we're

26:52

saying is she so murderously angry

26:54

at this point over what has

26:57

happened to her, that she will.

26:59

She wants to inflict the same

27:01

punishment upon him. And

27:03

then. Oh. Hey, I don't really

27:05

feel like that's what she does, and

27:07

I don't really feel like that's borne

27:09

out by her accent. at least like

27:11

the impulsivity of her actions. maybe, But

27:13

them by the advices like and this

27:15

was all a bamboozle of you are

27:17

bambee. You. So

27:20

that doesn't hold water but legs. Yeah,

27:23

I guess what I'm basically trying to

27:25

say is like I don't fully understand

27:27

we're see his tor, how see actually

27:29

feel he's and I see like we

27:32

do need to know that and it's

27:34

not like you know I'm willing to

27:36

get on board if she's like i

27:38

want to fucking kill that die. Partei

27:40

Mulder like it's it would make her messier but

27:42

more interesting or as instead of movies like oh

27:45

like you've gotta do it soon actually do it

27:47

does that might make her a little unlikable she

27:49

my do it but it would be like a

27:51

real self defense kind of thing for then applied

27:53

suffix the movie is like oh yeah of course

27:55

you gonna do it. So

27:59

that. Mayor Little messy or maker

28:01

real ignominy. Fucking killed. Especially for. Such

28:04

a toothless movie I away because

28:06

it it feels like it's so excited

28:08

to so. You it's of spurlock.

28:11

Have a better you know?

28:13

metaphor? It's like this movie. So excited

28:15

to show you his letters as like

28:17

wow way to put I be at

28:19

a day. Could I be

28:21

under the sea? Birds Very

28:23

lax again. Anyways,

28:26

please don't sit. through

28:29

I don't would as he was.

28:35

You know the was. Disagree

28:38

with this is such an

28:41

appliance of the office supplies.

28:44

Do with. Ah

28:47

yes so she takes her twelve dollars

28:49

that are mom gave her goes to

28:51

smell see managed to track her husband

28:53

now who is no again to says

28:56

identity because she had tracked me down

28:58

before arm and moved to New Orleans

29:00

When it turns out that are enema

29:02

guess the nannies also dead and I

29:04

quote unquote accident I'm. Just

29:07

really like out just a bad

29:09

do like the smell of the

29:11

i expect too much stuff from

29:13

this movie but like this but

29:15

what what happens? Help them this is

29:17

out. The number of this has happened before.

29:19

Like why did you wait until you're fifty

29:22

to thirty? Committed murder? Has

29:25

happened to your relationship that you were

29:27

like this is gonna go down the

29:29

only. Way I did this to

29:31

get a divorce. The

29:34

success but. That's the thing too is

29:36

like the movie really times. I

29:39

test takes pains. I guess he would say

29:41

to set up that she's. Sees.

29:44

A mean not dissimilar from Brit Marling

29:46

character in a Murder and the End

29:48

of the World Legs see has. Much.

29:51

Less in terms of resources are

29:53

in terms of social stature than

29:55

this man and sell in a

29:57

divorce proceedings she would not do

29:59

well. does not have the access to

30:01

a good lawyer or the same kind of

30:03

representation. So he could get a

30:06

divorce and take her to the cleaners and she'd have

30:08

nothing if that's the way he wanted to go about

30:10

it. Um, but the

30:12

movie is like, just we take

30:14

too long. Take too long. And that wouldn't

30:16

be that interesting. Like when you get out

30:19

of prison, you can sue him for custody

30:21

a second time. Definitely no one wants

30:23

to see a movie about a woman who

30:25

like painstakingly goes through a bad time with

30:27

the court. That's not a funny movie. I mean,

30:29

that's just marriage story. Yeah, absolutely. That's a good

30:32

point with Noah Bob Mack being like, but I'm

30:34

the one who had a hard time. Me.

30:37

Uh, my penis fell into Greta Gerwig

30:40

and I had to have a baby

30:42

and I'm tired that everyone's mad at

30:44

me about it. I don't like that

30:46

I had to write Madagascar 3 by

30:48

the way. But

30:50

nonetheless, it's like the movie is,

30:53

I mean, I guess, I shouldn't be, you

30:56

know, criticizing something that's designed to

30:58

be pulpy and we can criticize

31:02

it. It's

31:04

just, again, well,

31:07

I think what it really comes back

31:09

to as we're talking about it is

31:11

like that self serious tone where if

31:13

it were a little bit more pulpy,

31:15

a little bit more, a little bit

31:17

more exciting, um, a better

31:20

constructed, I suppose you could say you'd

31:22

care less about these details. Yeah. Because

31:24

the movie is again, really trying to

31:27

root itself in something that keeps telling

31:29

you is a real strong female

31:31

character, strong female character, the

31:34

way the law genuinely will.

31:36

Then your mind goes kind of

31:39

your mind follows that. And

31:41

so you do find yourself being like, well, okay, hold

31:43

on. But then why, why didn't you go? Why you

31:46

go straight to a murder?

31:48

Why that? Why murder? Why

31:51

murder frame and then murder

31:53

skit seems hard. Seems

31:55

unnecessary. But anyway,

31:57

he's now like for a guy

31:59

who's like changed his identities multiple times. He's

32:01

like, I'm still a famous man of the

32:03

community. Everybody look at me. Can't

32:06

stop being like, please, everyone,

32:08

you've got to know my new name.

32:12

Face the same. I'm doing a

32:14

Southern accent now. Yeah,

32:16

it's just my own. I don't need to, but okay.

32:19

Yeah, I'm doing a slight accent, but nothing

32:21

about my appearance. Okay, no. I

32:24

mean, Frocka Patente was on the run for two

32:26

days in the board identity. She was like, I

32:28

gotta get a new haircut now. And

32:30

he was just like, well,

32:33

maybe this is, Craig

32:35

has a bit in his action now where he

32:37

has the Honda Civic of faces, where he's like,

32:39

you might not have, was

32:41

it you might not have seen this specific

32:43

model, but you've seen me around. And

32:46

maybe it's just Bruce Greenwood being like, I look like

32:48

a guy. A

32:51

handsome guy, but you've seen me before. He

32:53

is a very distinctive, handsome man.

32:56

Anyway, lucky for Libby,

32:59

once she arrives in town, turns out

33:01

that her ex-husband is hosting a

33:03

charity gala with that night.

33:06

So she's gonna spend some of her $5.25 on

33:10

a do-our-monny dress so she can go

33:12

and just ruin any advantage

33:14

she had. Yes, completely. I

33:17

feel like, I mean, the movie is taking

33:20

pains to construct

33:22

scenarios that will make good on

33:24

the promise of the premise. I

33:26

feel like the movie has set

33:28

out, and it keeps saying in

33:31

sort of multiple iterations of the

33:34

same sentence, it's like, I could shoot

33:36

you in the middle of Times Square. I could

33:38

shoot you in the middle of Mardi Gras. I

33:40

could shoot you in the middle of a debutante

33:43

ball. It always keeps going back to

33:45

this reminder of like, I

33:47

could kill you in a large group of

33:49

people. So then it keeps having to be like,

33:51

okay, fuck. Now we've gotta come up

33:54

with large groups of people over and over so

33:56

the audience could go, is this the last? Is

33:58

this the last? Is this the last?

34:00

Murder what? And then it just

34:02

keeps kicking the ball down the line.

34:05

So yes, this is absolutely her blowing

34:07

her singular advantage, but also the film

34:09

going, could it be? It's

34:11

not. It's not. It never

34:14

really is. It's never gonna happen. And, uh, well I

34:16

did say like, it's weird that she wants to kill

34:18

him too. Actually this movie's a little credit. She's like,

34:20

I'm not, I could kill you. I'm actually don't want

34:22

to, I just want my kid back. But then she's

34:24

so stupid about it where she's like, meet me in

34:26

24 hours when certainly you won't

34:29

have time to come up with any sort of

34:31

plan. Cause I certainly haven't come up with one

34:33

over many weeks and years. I'm going to tell

34:35

you right now, I've been winging this entire thing.

34:39

Arm yourself with that little piece of

34:41

info. Yeah. And so basically he, they

34:44

meet at the mausoleum, uh,

34:46

or the cemetary. Sure. And then he's

34:48

like, Maddie is inside. And then it's

34:51

like, she's just by herself and it's

34:53

like, okay, why don't I go run

34:55

off by myself? Shame

34:57

on me. Shame me twice. That's

35:00

so mean. And it turns out

35:02

he paid a kid $20 to like run away from

35:04

her and then he bonks her on the head and

35:06

puts her in the grave. Okay.

35:08

Right away, if someone says, let's

35:10

meet at the mausoleum, right away,

35:12

that's a plot. No, thank you. Right away. That's a

35:14

plot. And also if I, if for some reason I

35:16

said, okay, and he's like, oh, Maddie's indoors, I'd be

35:18

like, all right, go get him. I'll wait here. Or

35:22

like, or I'll come with you or whatever. Yeah. We'll

35:25

go together. Yep. I'm going to have a gun to your

35:27

back. So Maddie can't see, but I'm going to have it.

35:29

So you're going to do it. And then you hand him

35:31

over and then, you know, Bob's your

35:33

uncle. You lie down at the crypt if

35:35

you like it so much there. Or the better

35:38

idea, we're going to be at a food court

35:40

at a mall. Let's meet at

35:42

the police station. Well, she

35:44

can't go there. Cause we'll get arrested. I

35:47

mean fair. That's where I say

35:49

food court. We get some noodles. I

35:51

get to eat noodles. There are lots

35:54

of people around. So you can't pull any funny

35:56

business. You can't have any of my

35:58

noodles. That's a given. And

36:01

then you give me my son. But

36:03

no, she's just like, no, I'm going to surprise him. And

36:07

then let him just have the, have it

36:09

on me for the rest of the movie.

36:12

It's so funny, the idea of him being like,

36:14

I would like for you to meet me

36:16

at a soundproof booth in Murders Row.

36:18

And she's like, sounds good. I've heard

36:20

of it. Where's Maddie? He's inside there.

36:23

Inside this box labeled Murderer. That

36:26

locks from the inside. Well,

36:29

it locks from the outside, I guess. Yeah, it would have to

36:31

lock. I meant like it locked

36:34

behind her is what I meant. A

36:37

door that I can't open is what you're saying.

36:39

Also, for how murdering this guy is, why didn't

36:41

he just kill her right there? He

36:44

just knocks her out and then it's just like, I'll just place

36:46

her in this little grave. She'll

36:49

be fine. All the characters are kicking

36:52

their problems down the road. That's true. I'm

36:55

just going to worry about the legal ramifications later.

36:57

I'm going to worry about the fact that she'll

36:59

get out of jail eventually. He's

37:02

not even tracking like, is she in

37:04

jail or not? Surely she can't have

37:06

gotten out by now. He's

37:09

like, no, I've got some sort

37:11

of charming

37:13

machinations to do with all the women

37:15

of my town. Yeah, what are they? We don't know.

37:17

But it does involve a white tux. Well,

37:20

doesn't it always involve a white

37:22

tux? I will

37:24

say, I feel like performance wise, I think

37:26

Ashley Judd is fun and fine. She's fine,

37:28

yeah. I think Tommy Lee Jones is slummin'

37:30

it for a paycheck. But because

37:33

it's so similar to his role in

37:35

the Fugitive, it's coming across okay. Yeah,

37:37

I imagine that they were probably all shocked

37:39

that he said yes. Where they're

37:41

like, let's offer it to him. He won't say yes, he's done this

37:44

before. And he's like, yeah, I'll do it. And they're like, oh, all

37:46

right. We won't tell

37:48

people that it is that character, but we won't

37:50

really tell them it's not. It's

37:53

kind of like that thing of people being like, I

37:55

mean, it's sort of the thing that

37:57

you want. You know. Right? You like

37:59

it. How much the time before

38:01

and he is it. Doesn't. have

38:04

nearly the same amount of malice or

38:06

tensor. North? Certainly not an Academy award

38:08

did he went digital nominee? I have

38:10

only one. Well very good, Very good,

38:13

very good. I don't know if I

38:15

thought it was like of after winning

38:17

performance but who knows what is an

38:19

oscar winning. Oh no that's also of

38:22

airport said just whatever is getting enough

38:24

practice in that moment. Although

38:26

you know. Certain.

38:28

Whoop Performances: Absolutely. To their as

38:30

I said last week Charles Nelson and that they

38:32

december. A fuss when he wins. That

38:35

there. Although I hope he gets another rolls

38:37

her. Follow. It up because Riverdale

38:39

to. Know I want him to

38:41

be free of of Salt Lick. Free

38:44

to call. Sprouse. He could be in Riverdale yes

38:46

sir, over the show's over so I know how to

38:48

be rude else who. Turns

38:52

out judge her gently of steroids and head

38:54

out know his shop there like twenty Sir

38:56

Alan Wake they had to give Allen Way

38:58

kids to turning out pages and then I

39:00

know having threesomes with our to go see.

39:03

Or oxytocin? Artsy I guess. doubled the

39:06

effort. Some simple as that. ah

39:10

I did last really hard at the

39:12

whole were through of Tommy Lee Jones.

39:15

like gotcha seed with pretty screwed would

39:17

where he's like so I'm I looked

39:19

up your old name in the driver's

39:21

license to directories and others came out

39:24

and he shows like a photocopy. Think

39:26

of a license that clearly have not

39:28

been screwed woods and it's like good

39:30

for screwed with Clueless had got away

39:33

with this as a the big.is but

39:35

then I figured there might be more

39:37

than one person with that bitch. earth.

39:39

As it turns out of the database yes, there

39:42

were others on the shuttle to switch. surely you,

39:44

He would have already seen that they were both

39:46

the bulls. right? Anyway,

39:48

it's and maybe like so I

39:50

found you either wishes. oh okay

39:52

it's what a stupid gustavo birds.

39:55

It. Barely even constitutes a guys are yeah,

39:57

we'd all you had to Detroit's you know

39:59

after. doing the whole process you can just be

40:01

like hey look I found you well

40:03

yeah here I am ergo

40:06

I found you oh yeah well

40:08

but this movie I think is obsessed with

40:10

sounding smarter than it is so it's it's

40:13

it's taking these long

40:15

circuitous roots around to

40:17

say something that doesn't necessarily need

40:19

to be said or alternatively

40:22

to try to lend validity to

40:24

things that it's saying incorrectly like I you

40:26

could make a drinking game in this movie

40:28

of how many times someone says as a

40:30

former law professor or as a

40:32

former lawyer or as a

40:35

recently disgraced lawyer that's correct that's exactly

40:37

how it works and it's always like

40:39

an unambiguous like that is right what

40:41

you just said what

40:44

that person just said is how it

40:46

happens and it's also ridiculous that

40:48

just like Libby's only way

40:50

to find her son is to get her husband to

40:52

tell her where he is when like surely she could

40:54

just like I don't know ask

40:56

his assistant like you tracked your

40:58

husband who like changed his identity

41:00

down surely you could track down

41:02

a real person still

41:05

like just out there somewhere

41:09

but instead they're like he's like no there's the only

41:11

thing I could do is just to keep going after

41:13

this guy until he tells me where my son is

41:15

oh no he's got the drop

41:17

on me again well it

41:20

goes back to what you were saying before

41:22

too I think about kind of like the

41:24

inherent cowardice behind this project because it feels

41:26

like the movie is throwing in unnecessary

41:30

roadblocks to prevent the double jeopardy from

41:32

taking place because they don't actually want

41:34

her to do it so it's

41:37

a lot of like

41:39

yeah this like either very

41:41

smart or not at all smart woman being

41:43

like there's my son in the middle of

41:46

that empty field with no one else around

41:48

I'm two seconds away from him and I

41:50

could pick him up at any time but

41:52

first I'm going to go

41:55

to Bruce Greenwood's office wearing nothing but a

41:57

pair of handcuffs I put on my side

42:01

Behind the back so it's harder. Behind

42:03

the back so it's harder and Hongtai

42:05

myself also somehow. That

42:08

way. Oh no he got the drop on me again.

42:13

Hongtai, handcuffs, my whom,

42:15

when? And I

42:17

realized that like Bruce Greenwood's character is sort of

42:19

backed into a corner but him just being like

42:21

well I'll just get my secret gun and shoot

42:24

both her and the cop or the I guess

42:26

the halfway house guy. Like oh yeah that will

42:28

definitely end all your problems of just shooting

42:30

two people in your office.

42:32

No one's really thinking anything.

42:38

I just want to know like so

42:40

much more about this guy's background of like

42:42

how did you get to this point where

42:44

like you are like yeah no framing

42:47

for murder, doing an actual murder,

42:49

changing my identity multiple times, where

42:51

did this come from? Why

42:53

was there no sign of it before you were in your

42:55

50s? Well

42:59

I don't know about you but to me

43:01

the movie felt like a collage almost of

43:03

like ideas from other

43:05

thrillers that felt compelling but without

43:08

really any of the ideas to

43:10

underpin any of that. Like nothing

43:12

feels like it came organically out

43:15

of something to say or something they wanted

43:17

to explore or themes they wanted to explore.

43:19

It just feels like it was like right

43:21

I've got a magazine page with a man

43:24

who wants to do something shitty to his

43:26

wife. Why? It's not on

43:28

the magazine page so I can't get into it. I've

43:30

got Tommy Lee Jones. Why? He's

43:33

just on the page for some reason.

43:36

It's an entertainment weekly from 1992 and

43:39

so it's all hodgepodge together

43:41

and it feels like

43:44

this real pastiche of different

43:46

ideas and influences but without

43:49

a grounding internal logic

43:52

to sort of cement it all

43:54

or explain anything or to Explain

43:57

why it's not being explained, if that makes

43:59

sense. Absolutely. I'm obviously they get

44:01

the whole like oh we Kill Bruce

44:03

Greenwood but it was a was in

44:05

self defense and with sides. Us

44:09

and then she. Just like a lot of though

44:11

I guess there's like a posted on a test

44:13

that was like mad as at schools. Are

44:17

us citizens are hesitant about going to get hold

44:19

of a facade so she goes to get ohms

44:21

and like the it's like it's a cute see

44:23

if you don't think about for to load where

44:25

she likes shows up at as like married you

44:27

know who I am and he's like yeah they

44:29

told. Me: you died So they have

44:31

of the world's most awkward mother daughter

44:34

her brother some hard size and definitely

44:36

a.awkward mother. Daughter is a fucking mother's

44:38

said it's an awkward mother. Son had

44:40

were like you stated marriage sort of

44:42

like in some forward and that like

44:44

said a circle he puts her arms

44:46

around dogs as it keeps her body

44:48

so far away from him our own

44:51

like a mother's love with other like

44:53

oh what a happy though as much

44:55

to choose. To tell them that you're dead

44:57

is dead. With did

44:59

to the mysticism assistance as

45:01

I suspected that is dead

45:03

saves his identity. Oh

45:05

yeah, whatever it is as a good posing

45:07

as a mother. Were. Well.

45:10

Oh well. Assistant saw saw

45:12

the I. Admire

45:15

average about see ads for Tommy

45:17

Lee Jones or just Pals say

45:19

way had so that all those

45:22

other tribes I didn't beat my

45:24

own car and be wishy. listen.

45:26

Listen, I have no use for it

45:28

as a man of the law, some

45:30

it's status as a somewhat less. The

45:32

last moment of that was disputed photo

45:34

the point of success of. Like

45:37

the as A of that one Simpsons

45:39

episode where they lock all of the

45:41

bullies of the basement successes and then

45:43

it's surface scanner and ah well, he

45:45

was rushing. Back as. One

45:48

of their dad was like said see a lot

45:50

as a subset of. Assistance.

45:56

I mean, I love the audacity

45:58

of those movies, but. Also read

46:00

that there's not. Enough have the audacity in

46:02

this movie as this. Movie needed more

46:04

audacity to it's. Be

46:07

I hate. That. Libby doesn't have

46:09

any kind of player base like Considering that

46:11

it turns out she doesn't want to kill

46:14

him. See just one person back? You'd think

46:16

that she'd have a better way of going

46:18

about this. Ah, Ah,

46:20

you're right would it was

46:22

of assists I. Mean, I. Love

46:25

Tommy Lee Jones Precision would still

46:28

for. This is

46:30

it is the third by any means diligently

46:32

than Diet Pepsi of is how this is

46:34

a job that would he. Does only with

46:36

Diet Pepsi The best. Ah

46:38

assists be as like this is this

46:40

if you're into time we don't specific

46:43

really what is going to watch Ah

46:45

sponsors to see a mess. ah we

46:47

other movies say I'm pretty into the

46:49

twin so but times have an iphone

46:51

way but not quite fun enough for

46:54

me. Ah no. I would definitely

46:56

agree with you there. I feel like

46:58

what I don't like about this movie

47:00

is that it feels. It feel

47:02

so enamored as it's premise that the

47:05

hasn't made any decisions about it's character.

47:07

Nas and. Ultimately,

47:10

There's to be a really interesting. Character said he

47:12

about like you know. Or

47:14

it's maybe not really interesting. that at

47:16

least more interesting said he about like.

47:19

The effects of her fans are what's happened

47:21

to Libby since all of this has happened

47:23

to her like psychologically where she's at but

47:26

none of us Hills presence of with system

47:28

will be skating by on the basis of

47:30

a single fact, new arm muscles, the movie

47:32

Anaconda which opens seamlessly a my mind with

47:35

like sacked anacondas eat people at least

47:37

three times. The years of would

47:39

not accurate that all the movie

47:41

it is absolutely dependent on this

47:43

line is really got it. Helps.

47:47

The opposites. But.

47:50

Not might. Not. Like the inverse

47:52

to slake. It's. Just the

47:54

opposite of competency. Porn which

47:56

resources as. Like stairs. There's.

47:59

A. Pleasure. Certainly, and watching someone

48:01

put together a plan that unfolds

48:03

and sometimes there's a frustration. And

48:05

watching someone very perfectly it's put

48:08

together a very improbably perfect plan

48:10

that unfolds exactly as it should.

48:12

But this movie is about someone who

48:15

doesn't plan. And. Things just

48:17

unfolds. But. Not in

48:19

a way that feels organic. The are

48:21

they just don't fall the up and

48:24

place a person walking by and simultaneously

48:26

things happen. To put in

48:28

the really feel connected in nothing

48:30

feels tethered. I.

48:32

My. First. Green words.

48:35

Yes. Little. Baby or Bay.

48:37

but I mean Fall of all? House

48:39

of Usher? Yeah yeah, absolutely. Green for

48:42

taking over from Frank Langella at the

48:44

last minute. They get even with Ashley

48:46

Judd here. I just saying kind of

48:48

feel like I'm. Also,

48:51

hate with all. Her we went into

48:53

the Harper Alpha Yes, of effect.

48:55

I suspect that completely yeah says

48:57

where the first people say the

48:59

severity of it and I thought

49:01

that he did. One controversy. Sullivan

49:03

voted the Queen's ah, sister queens

49:06

oh god or smith. They sort

49:08

of had a per capita squirt.

49:10

I put them to. My

49:12

controversial to if I say over

49:15

and over again. Deflated.

49:17

Mind. Those criticisms of the snow

49:19

here or firstly very good a do

49:21

a survey has no. Place

49:24

Or it's like you're like this or that. See

49:26

that Mike and I'm a hoarder. I

49:31

went on for a little plot: a you're

49:33

already fertility system such. As.the

49:35

have a Social Izzard number and

49:38

I don't know I am. I

49:41

don't know Oscar Isaac is. therefore I couldn't pay.

49:45

Extra for the fight to keep living to

49:47

have to feel good. About.

49:51

My favorite! things out or if. You've.

49:54

Ever said because of the confidence. of

49:56

with would see were saying all of it

49:58

at the club sleeves lack of lot at

50:00

the center of your argument, that

50:02

the confidence you were just blazing

50:04

forward with was wonderful. And then

50:06

my absolute horror when I realized

50:08

what I was bragging about. That

50:10

split second of silence is something I will

50:12

treasure every time I look at my life. Your

50:16

eyebrows shooting off of your head like

50:18

a cartoon character? And

50:22

that's double jeopardy, everybody. It's

50:25

fun and at the same time it's too

50:28

something for its own good, that's for

50:30

sure. But hey, I

50:32

mean I feel like Law Professor should

50:34

teach this movie and

50:36

my cousin Vinny in the same

50:38

class. Because I feel like one

50:40

is being surprisingly respectful of the

50:43

legal process and one is being

50:45

extraordinarily dismissive of the legal

50:47

process. Yep, yep.

50:50

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50:52

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50:54

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51:14

like I did and laugh very hard at the

51:16

fact that there's an entire section called

51:19

like inaccuracy, legal

51:21

inaccuracy? Which

51:23

only feels funny because of what this movie is predicated

51:25

on. Like imagine, oh God, I

51:27

can't even think of a good comparison.

51:31

Like, I don't know, imagine if Grey's

51:34

Anatomy happened in like a graveyard the

51:36

entire... If

51:39

Dr. Spicemin from 30 Rock was on Grey's

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Anatomy, where he's just like, turns out there's

51:44

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51:47

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51:51

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is, um, I don't even know what

52:19

that is. It's just a sentence

52:21

said by a broken mouth. Do

52:23

you ever get broken mouth? Oh yeah. Do

52:26

you ever find yourself just saying things and you're like, I don't know what that

52:28

was. Have you ever listened to me at all? Yes. It

52:31

never really happens on this show though. There

52:33

have been times when I fully dissociate and

52:35

realize that I've been talking for like 30

52:38

seconds. I know. I will

52:40

say a little eye high, by eye secret. Sometimes I

52:42

could, and I'm sure you can see it in mine

52:44

too, and you can just see like there's,

52:46

it's like almost like a lizard's eye,

52:48

eye, eye, it's like close to sideways.

52:51

Like that happens and then you're sort of like,

52:53

and anyway. And it's the safer version

52:56

of that same thing when you're driving. You

52:59

talk about this happening a lot when you're

53:01

driving. How did that happen to you? I

53:04

can't drive. Oh. I

53:06

don't think I do that. Oh yeah. I never said

53:08

that. It happens to a lot of people. It's

53:10

not just me. Okay. I will say. I've

53:13

never gotten in an accident. Protest

53:15

too much. I'm a good driver everybody. It

53:17

happens to everybody. I would like to be

53:19

a good driver. Too many people told

53:21

me that they'd never get behind the wheel of a car

53:23

with me when I was a teen. That's so cruel. I

53:26

know. A lot of people say me things that I

53:28

was a teen. I will learn one

53:30

day, but people have to promise to not bully

53:33

me. I would pay good attention. I'm

53:35

scared though. I don't want to get in an

53:37

accident. And I am a bit of a bird. You'd

53:40

be very good at it because you would dedicate yourself very

53:43

hard to being a good driver. Just

53:45

like a bird. Birds of great interaction. They're little, they're

53:47

little clothy. Can't reach the metal. I don't know where

53:49

I'm going with it. I don't know where I'm going with it. I'm not

53:51

going to. I'm not going to. I'm not going to.

53:53

I'm not going to. I'm not going to.

53:55

I'm not going to. What

53:58

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55:27

about what we hate in loving cats on the theme song. This

55:29

isn't how double jeopardy works.

55:32

You will go to jail. If you

55:34

kill that guy, please don't drive

55:36

your boat, drive a car

55:39

off a boat. You need a

55:41

better plan than that. It's

55:45

a dismount. It's

55:47

a classic cat dismount. It

55:52

looks like driving a car into the sea. I

55:55

almost say please don't drive your boat off a car. And

55:57

I'm like, that didn't happen. Wow, this didn't happen. What

56:00

are you loving or hating? I'm hating. I

56:02

mean, I'm loving to hate

56:04

it, but the bed-ass flex

56:06

movie that's on prime video

56:08

called Hypnotic. Oh,

56:11

Hypnotic. I watched it

56:13

very late. Okay. So this

56:15

is a cop whose daughter has been

56:17

missing. We gotta talk about the way

56:19

he just said cop. This

56:25

is a cop. There

56:27

was more stakes that came out on it than I planned.

56:29

It just kind of happened. It was a

56:32

very stinky cop. He really took me

56:34

aback. Anyway,

56:39

his daughter went missing, I

56:41

guess, years before. And

56:44

then now he gets like, he's alerted

56:46

that there's a new crime guy who

56:50

can make people see things that

56:52

aren't there. What's happening? There's

56:55

a crime guy. Yeah,

56:58

there's a crime guy. I

57:03

love this explanation. I feel

57:05

like you're wearing this mouth thing. Please

57:08

don't. And

57:11

then when bed-ass like opens

57:13

up like the safe of what the crime guy

57:16

was trying to steal, there's just a picture of

57:18

his daughter. And so then he

57:20

has to chase after this guy who can like change

57:22

reality or whatever. This

57:24

movie, do you remember when we talked

57:27

about Wild Things and

57:29

how the whole movie is just like

57:32

scene after scene of like, hey, partner. This

57:34

movie isn't even stupid or for sure.

57:40

And like it's just a whole movie of like,

57:42

you thought that's what was happening. Well, that's

57:44

not what was really happening. And then just

57:46

that happening over and over again. And then

57:48

there's a couple of moments where they show

57:51

you what is really happening. I

57:53

laughed so hard that I cried because

57:55

it looks so fucking stupid. I'm

57:59

the last one. lighted by the end of this

58:01

movie. Oh

58:05

boy, like if you want

58:07

to laugh at how bad the stupid this

58:09

movie is, definitely go watch it. It's

58:12

not good, but I enjoyed how stupid it

58:14

was. Fucking

58:16

hypnotic, a bad athlete, good lord.

58:19

So bad, so bad.

58:23

Wow. This

58:26

is very exciting. I have cried

58:28

mascara straight into my eyes, so I'm

58:30

like sort of squinting it. Listen,

58:34

I don't know what I loved more, the idea of

58:36

this movie or the description of it, which was

58:38

truly on his... I mean, I will say

58:40

that my description of it is better than the movie.

58:44

I am loving for real a movie I had never

58:46

seen before, Black Christmas, the

58:48

horror film, the original? The

58:51

original. My Bob Clark creator of Porphy's

58:53

as well, but like this is one

58:55

of the great successful Canadian films. A

58:58

couple of things about Black Christmas I didn't

59:01

realize. I didn't realize it was a predecessor

59:03

of Halloween and in fact, it informed Halloween's

59:05

style and great party. And I did not

59:07

realize how feminist it was. I

59:09

was not, I mean, you know, it has,

59:11

there's silly moments to be sure as a

59:13

movie, you know, set in

59:16

the 70s, there's some kind of, there's some

59:18

big acting moments, but by

59:20

and large, it is

59:22

a movie about how violence against women

59:24

is underplayed by authority figures. And

59:28

it's like really effective. Like

59:30

there are a couple of moments of

59:32

that movie that have really stuck with

59:34

me. And I think the

59:36

performances are great. The ending is quite chilling

59:39

shot in Toronto. So that's pretty

59:42

fun shot in my old, my

59:44

alma mater University of Toronto at,

59:47

at Ansley Hall, which was the all girls college.

59:50

So either the exteriors or maybe the interiors at

59:52

any rate, I really enjoyed it.

59:54

I wasn't expecting to. And my enjoyment was slightly

59:56

marred by the fact that there were like a

59:58

bunch of dumb bro guys. guys who

1:00:01

were laughing and talking all the way through

1:00:03

the screening, but then I very loudly made a

1:00:05

comment about how they were all clearly very excited

1:00:07

to see a woman get killed and they were

1:00:09

all like, what? And Chug was like, oh God!

1:00:11

Get out of the theater! I

1:00:14

did not like it. Really

1:00:17

cool. I really recommend that people see

1:00:19

it. Obviously

1:00:21

your mileage may vary for horror movies, but

1:00:23

wow, I was so, I was so surprised.

1:00:25

I really enjoyed it. The

1:00:28

Hypnotican Black Christmas. What

1:00:30

a pair. Double feature night for

1:00:33

everybody tonight. Crime guys all over.

1:00:35

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1:01:04

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1:01:07

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1:01:09

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