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What's up? This is Michael rapp Where you are now listening to the

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I Am Rappaport Stereo podcast.

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On today's podcast, Me Michael Rappaport,

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the Gringoman Dingo acknowledges

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a major funk up that I made.

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Lebron and the Cavaliers have

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tied up the Boston series. Steph

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Curry is back. Me and G Moody

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are gonna discuss the royal wedding. Biggie

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Small's birthday just passed. We're celebrating

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Biggie and we have special guest, Ben

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Bowler. Ben Bohler is like

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a Korean forest coumpies of celebrity

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jeweler. He's made jewelry for everybody

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from Michael Jackson to Asap,

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for the Tyler of the Creator and everybody

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in between. He's got crazy ass stories and

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he's gonna tell us how to not get fucked

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when buying diamonds and so

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much more real life Hollywood stories

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from Ben my the fucking Baller.

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But first, me and G. Moody are

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gonna set the table. Miles

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Jordan's let me get something funky,

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all right. My name is Michael Rapports.

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This is the I Am Wrap Reports Stereo

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podcast. Before I get G. Moody, whose

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last name rhymes with duty on the phone, I have to acknowledge

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a mistake. So within the

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last eight hours, okay,

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me and G Moody recorded

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a podcast. Okay. Now

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I have said this vehement lee for

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years. First rule

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of the Iron Rapports Stereo podcast

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is no fact checking. Everybody

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knows that. The first rule of the

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Iron wrap Reports Stereo podcast.

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There's no fact checking. Well, have

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to make an amendment to

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that rule. Okay. Unlike the Constitution,

1:57

we can make amendments. It's it's a it's

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a uh flexible malleable

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document. The I am wrapp Reports

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Stereo Podcast constitution

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can be amended,

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and I am making an amendment to that

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rule right now. The

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first rule of the Iron rapp Reports Stereo

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Podcast before anything and

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everything is to always plug

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your fucking microphone

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in. I didn't

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do that. Me and

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G Moody recorded passionately,

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vehemently for forty

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five plus minutes

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about six hours ago, Exhaustingly.

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G Moody plugged his mic in. I

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plugged G Moody's mike's

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in. Okay, we

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have the best sound in the business. The

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Iron Rapports Stereo podcast is

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an award winning worldwide

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phenomenon, the home the home

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of the most disruptive podcast in the

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world. But me,

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the gringo man Dingo. Okay,

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the jakelmat of podcasting forgot

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to plug in his own mike.

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So I was talking shitty

3:20

plus minutes into the air, into

3:23

the air, and it was beautiful ship

3:25

talk. We were talking about all sorts

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of things, all

3:30

sorts of things. Sent

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it over to the Dust Brothers. Tell it works.

3:34

It's a process. It's a little bit of a technical process.

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I wish I could just wake up

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on a megaphone and and and all

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the listeners and fans New

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Ones, old Ones, Day

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one listeners could

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just hear me and g Moody.

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But doesn't work that way. It's a technical process.

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We recorded Miles Jordan's

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the Dust Brothers. They do their thing to

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give the best sound of the business. Okay,

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and then we we we pass it out to the fans.

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Okay, Well, this time I

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fucked up. I'm acknowledging

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that I fucked up. I apologize

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for fucking up, and I will do my best

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to never funk up again. But I had

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to acknowledge this funk up and say. Rule

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number one is always plug

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your microphone in you fuck

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you all

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right, moody Yo? Yeah,

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so I I just I just made a

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official change to rules

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and regulations of the Iron Wrap Reports Stereo

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podcast. Rule number one

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before no fact checking and anything else

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any other fly ship Rule

4:48

number one is always plug your

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mike. And you would think you

4:52

would think that me, the gringo man, ding't go After

4:54

doing this time and time again, I would have

4:56

this down to a science. But last

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time we recorded less than I

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don't know. Six hours ago, we

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were talking ship into the air. It

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went nowhere. Your your microphone sounded

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beautiful. I get a phone phone

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call from Miles Davis and then I am

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gonna and I'm explain something somebody to everybody.

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I had to wake up at four thirty

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in the morning to go to work. I am shooting

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another episode of the TBS

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show The Guest Book.

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It involves singing and dancing,

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and I'm not talking about the singing and dancing

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that you may be accustomed to seeing

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me doing. And you might be saying, what do

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you mean your customed We were not used to seeing you

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singing dance. Well, when you see me do

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the singing and dancing that I'm doing

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in this episode of the Guest Book. You're gonna

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go, what the funk is

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going on? It's way out there, Moody,

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way the funk out there, way out there, I

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mean way out there. Um.

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But I I made a mistake and I'm acknowledging

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an and I and I just want to say I took it

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upon myself to change rule number

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one of the Iron Wrap Ports Stereo podcast.

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It is officially now Rule number one

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is always plug your mic and you

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fuck you Yeah, yeah, you fucked

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it up, fucked it up.

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I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I felt

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terribly and I got less sleep then

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I was planning on getting. Once I found that out,

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I could not sleep and

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I couldn't focus on my singing and dancing moves.

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Anyway, let's just jump to this. Lebron

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James and the Cleveland Cavaliers have tied up

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the Boston Celtic series.

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It is now two games to two. Yeah.

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I don't know, I don't know what's gonna happen here,

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but Boston fucked up. No,

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they didn't sunk up. They got beat. This is a better team.

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Uh sorry, they got the best player.

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Uh when the ball rotates and

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then they have to switch off. And then the little

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guy what they call or scary Terry,

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he has to guard him. Le brunches

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bullies his way to the basket and it's

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like a little kid lay it in. This is what's

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gonna happen. I

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don't agree with you. I think they will win Game five

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and then and then we will take it from there. Your

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your predictions as of recent have

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been uh less than stellar.

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I you know, it's sort of like if you have like a soda

7:20

and it's like this doesn't taste like that, like

7:22

you know, like a Coca cola, like maybe it's not that

7:24

cold. It's supposed to be a little colder, and it doesn't

7:27

have that taste. Your predictions have been like

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a lukewarm Coca cola.

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As of late, my predictions have been

7:34

have been on point to

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two of them out of three years. I'm

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not making predictions every episode. You're

7:42

the guy eisode.

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I got the balls to do that. I stand

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out there. You switch teams now

7:49

the Celtics serior team. Yeah,

7:52

your Celtics. Because anybody Lebra plays

7:54

a kid, you don't want them to win. Therefore

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he wins, so do you look

7:59

like it asked, and what's gonna happen? Um?

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The Golden State Warriors, uh

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are now winning the series with

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Houston. They're up two games to one. They

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had our guy collectively

8:15

because we're on the same page how much we love Steph

8:17

Curry. They had him dead and buried.

8:20

Guys were saying, uh,

8:23

maybe the Warriors shouldn't start him. Uh,

8:25

maybe the Warriors are better off without

8:28

him, and all sorts of bullshit

8:31

because one of the best shooters in

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basketball history, one

8:35

of the most influential players in

8:37

NBA history, had a bad

8:40

game and you want to throw dirt

8:43

on Steph Curry? You fox

8:45

you? So what does he do? In game

8:47

three? He comes back and does

8:50

the Old Ship and shimmy.

8:52

What's the old Ship? And jimmy? The

8:54

Old Ship and shimmy is when he ships on

8:56

you from thirty five ft

8:59

And then he runs down the court and

9:01

he breaks out the old Antoine Walker

9:04

playbook and he's shimmy, shimmy, Shimmy's

9:06

on you. You fuck yeah,

9:09

Steph Man. Steph Curry is fantastic.

9:12

Uh, you said one of the greatest shooters. He

9:15

is the greatest shooter and

9:18

that on he got on the other team, James

9:20

Harden with the scraggly beard, he's

9:23

no m v P. It's clear

9:25

that he isn't the m v P. UH.

9:28

The offense is terrible, Dan

9:30

Tony, It's terrible. You got

9:32

this guy out out at front dribbling

9:35

the ball constantly, and

9:37

then the players are just watching. You're

9:39

not supposed to advance with any kind

9:41

of offense like that. Unwatchable.

9:44

I hope they run him off the court. You win

9:46

one game, you should be happy, Chris Paul

9:49

back to the drawing board. And and the

9:51

thing about the James Harden, who

9:53

who I like as a player. Um,

9:55

but I don't think Dan Antoni uh

9:58

has served him any good. I agree

10:00

he'll he'll win the regular season m v P. But

10:02

I I'm on record saying that that award

10:05

is the most overrated, over hyped

10:07

award in all of sports, being that

10:09

it's discussed before the season

10:12

even starts, like

10:14

like the popularity thing. Yeah, and and and

10:16

may he had a great regular season. But they're

10:18

they're not beating Golden State. UM.

10:20

I don't think that. I think that Golden State will win in six

10:22

games, if not five games. Um.

10:25

But but the style of offense

10:27

like Game two, they played great, right, Houston

10:30

played great. They moved the ball, and everybody's

10:32

congratulating. Oh well, when they move

10:34

the ball like that, like they're they're getting pats

10:36

on the back from playing team

10:39

basketball, like it was like it was like an

10:41

enigma. When the Houston Rockmans are

10:43

playing like an enigma outside of themselves

10:45

by basically moving the ball all

10:48

oh of the Golden State Warriors, they get celebrated.

10:51

That should be the everyday thing. Like look,

10:53

Boston, same ship, Like they

10:55

move the ball Cleveland, Like any team that has

10:57

success, especially in the players, you have to

11:00

move the ball exactly

11:02

on any level. When I played

11:05

um and and I played with a guy who just

11:07

had no regard for his other teammates and he's

11:10

just chucking up balls,

11:12

the coach would call a time out and

11:15

say, Yo, what the funk are you doing. You're

11:17

playing with people spread the ball around

11:19

you. You're you're killing the uh, the morale

11:22

of the team. It ain't just you, see,

11:25

but the coach don't got the balls

11:27

to do that. I'd be like, Yo, get

11:29

this fucking guy out of the game, man. But but also

11:31

think Dan Antonio celebrates it because

11:34

they don't give any options like

11:36

they they'll just be. They'll just be like have the floor

11:38

spread. And James Harden a lot

11:40

of times he could lollygag to the basket and you

11:42

know, do his thing, but that's not gonna win you games.

11:46

And and and Chris Paul's

11:48

out there missing layups, and

11:50

and he had one bad game too.

11:53

So it's not like it was like, oh, we're bury Chrismaul. He's

11:55

been playing well and I don't want to do the same thing they did

11:57

to Stuff. But it

11:59

looked like Houston after that game when

12:01

they got blown out by forty or thirty nine

12:03

or whatever it was, they were looking

12:06

fucked up on the yard. Yeah,

12:08

it's like a Mattnee that the other players

12:10

they're watching. And when you play with someone

12:13

like that, you don't know where to go

12:15

and you don't know if you're gonna get the ball. And

12:18

it's different like Lebron. Those teammates

12:20

know, you know, if I'm open, that ship

12:22

is coming to me, no matter what, if it's

12:25

the greatest player. His personality

12:27

is like, yo, I'm sharing. I'm

12:29

nice than all y'all, but I'm sharing

12:31

this ship so you can feel good about yourself.

12:33

And and it's not even feel good. That's the only way

12:35

to win big games like that's the only way to win

12:38

consistently is to do that. Even

12:40

with him getting the forty points, it's

12:42

not like he's ball dominant in

12:44

terms of I'm gonna score, I'm gonna score like the scoring

12:46

comes within the flow of

12:48

the offense. One

12:51

question, Um, so, who

12:53

would you say thus far is

12:56

the m v P of these playoffs?

12:58

No, I m v you the season in n VP

13:01

of the playoffs, Lebron James, Oh, thank

13:03

you? But let me ask you.

13:05

Since you asked me a question, can I ask you a question?

13:08

Go right? Um? Since you since

13:10

you like to grease, grease him up nice, and

13:13

you like to grease him up real nice, real, He's

13:16

good? What could I say? Who else do you

13:18

like to grease? In the NBA? Because you you

13:20

fuck? You talk about Russell

13:22

Westbrook, you talk about Mellow, you

13:25

talk about everybody else. Who else do you

13:27

like to grease up? Nice? I like, I

13:30

think Steph Curry is one

13:32

of my favorite players of all time. But

13:34

who else you like to grease? I

13:37

don't. I don't have many. This is a new type

13:39

of ball player. Millennials I

13:41

like the old dudes. I like our guy Kalmar.

13:44

I like talking about fucking Kmart and

13:46

stacking fucking Moses Malone. We know that.

13:49

I just asked the simple question in

13:51

this NBA. You're a fan

13:54

who you like to grease up? Real nice?

13:56

Oh I don't you know. I don't grease nobody.

13:59

What what I'm telling in you is deep Clay.

14:02

I used to like k D until

14:04

he turned into Benedict Arnold. So

14:07

you're still with him anymore? Um?

14:10

Who else? That's it? You expected

14:13

him to stay down there in old casey at

14:15

this point you should be saying you should be uh

14:17

loving Katie and being like this guy had the foresight

14:20

and the grit to get the funk out of there because

14:22

we we we were both on the same page. As

14:25

much as we love Russell Westbrook. It's like it's

14:27

like rubber room status. It's literally

14:29

like, get me out of here, get me out

14:31

of here. I'm banging my head against the walls. Uh

14:34

playing with him? Yeah, he's fighting with the

14:36

fans and everything. It's crazy. He's gone

14:39

a notch above bananas.

14:41

Now he's fighting with the fans as he leaves

14:44

the arena. So God, knows what's

14:46

gonna happen next, So you don't have any any

14:48

answer to the basic question. I'll just

14:51

who do you like to grease? I don't

14:54

grease. I like Steph

14:56

Curry, I like these guys.

14:59

I told you I k D would have went to Washington

15:01

and put the work in with John Wall and tried

15:03

to bring

15:04

it. Okay,

15:08

you go, all right, So all right

15:10

now the answers I don't

15:12

like to grease anybody. You could just simply said I don't

15:15

like to grease anybody. It's I don't

15:17

lebron man okay um.

15:20

As predicted, Johnny cluckhead

15:23

made the big announcement. I don't know why

15:25

a cluckhead like Johnny Manziel wants

15:29

to bring any more attention to

15:31

himself. As predicted

15:33

on this I Am Rapp reports stereo

15:35

podcast weeks ago, when

15:38

he was talking greasy to me, the

15:40

gringo man dingo, you don't fuck

15:43

with a fucker. You don't talk ship to

15:45

a professional ship talker. And

15:48

he tried to do it, okay,

15:51

and we predicted he he

15:53

had a little bullshit clown T

15:55

shirt and I said, you don't need a T shirt, duke,

15:59

you don't need it sure, what you need to do is

16:01

get yourself a clown sweatshirt,

16:03

duke. Because before Johnny

16:05

Manzel was even thinking and considering

16:09

playing Canadian football, me,

16:11

the j Colmato of podcasting, said

16:14

you fuck you, you ain't making

16:16

the NFL. You're

16:18

gonna be playing in Canada. Well, a few

16:20

days ago Johnny Cluckhead

16:23

made the announcement that

16:25

who would be playing in the Canadian Football

16:27

League, like anybody gives a ship

16:30

about Canadian football and anybody

16:32

gives a ship about anything

16:34

that has to do with professional football,

16:37

and this cluckhead. And

16:41

then I also predicted, I said, not only

16:43

will he be playing in the Canadian Football League

16:46

to get off unemployment, you'll

16:49

be taking crumbs working

16:52

at that pissole company which I will

16:54

not even name on this I am Wrappports

16:57

Stereo Champion Chip podcast.

16:59

So Johnny Menzel is now a Canadian Football

17:02

League player and a podcaster.

17:04

My next prediction is that former

17:07

NFL racist

17:11

offensive lineman Richie Incognito

17:13

will also be

17:15

podcasting for the unmentionable

17:18

company Johnny Manzel. Do

17:21

not call press conferences, do

17:23

not go online, give up your

17:25

social media account, and do not ever

17:28

ever ever talk

17:31

shit to a professional

17:34

ship talker. You fuck you, get

17:36

your sleeping bag, get your north

17:38

face jacket, because it's gonna be fucking

17:40

freezing on the sidelines

17:43

in the Canadian Football League. You

17:45

fuck you. You You weren't meant for this, You

17:48

weren't built for this. And

17:50

now you take yourself over the fucking

17:52

over the border and make

17:54

sure you don't try to sneak anything over there, because

17:56

they will arrest your fucking ass. He's

17:59

just a problem with some some medication.

18:02

I don't know what happened. I

18:04

mean, how many times are gonna let this fucking guy off

18:06

the hook? What's up with his man?

18:08

Remember his man was on some i'll be shore

18:10

ship like. It's some

18:12

fraud, fraud of ship. Remember he's a this

18:15

rapper man. We stressed

18:17

that down. We shut that whole thing

18:19

down. We shut that whole

18:21

program down. One fell soup, that's

18:23

what we do. Don't make me turn that. Willie

18:25

hutch On what else is

18:27

going on? Ruben Foster,

18:30

linebacker for the San

18:32

Francisco forty Niners. We

18:34

talked about him on the Iron Wrap por Stereo podcast.

18:37

Got uh, somebody said his

18:40

ex girlfriend accused

18:43

accused His ex

18:45

girlfriend accused him a physically assaulting

18:47

her. NFL

18:50

you should cut him. Media,

18:53

you should cut him right away. This is unacceptable.

18:55

How much more are we gonna take? Yeah,

18:59

young kid said

19:02

he was innocent, said he was innocent. Place for the forty

19:04

nine ers linebacker, young up and coming rookie.

19:08

Social media warriors cut him

19:11

yeah, hashtag cut

19:14

Reuben Foster. He's a piece of ship. The

19:17

case goes all the way to court.

19:20

Good due process, that's all we

19:22

asked for in court.

19:25

This piece of ship girlfriend, this

19:28

trash pale, admits

19:32

that the whole thing was

19:34

made up in court.

19:38

She admits that she wanted to ruin

19:41

his life. Nice

19:44

girl, What what is love versus?

19:47

What is not love? What is love?

19:49

And what is a sick fuck? You

19:51

don't get to be on the sick funk of the week. That's

19:54

that's beyond the sick funk of the week. That

19:56

is that is terrible. It

20:00

also came out that she tried to do this to a

20:02

former boyfriend seven years ago. And

20:04

and and there's a whole bunch of mess

20:06

involved with this, can

20:09

you imagine? And apparently this

20:11

girl had gotten into a little altercation with some

20:13

other girls, so she had some scratches on her faces,

20:15

and I think based on everything

20:17

I know, although we do not fact check at the

20:19

Iron Wrap Reports Stereo Podcast. I'll

20:22

say it again, we do plug

20:24

our microphones in, but we do not fact

20:27

check at the Iron Wrap Reports Stereo Podcast.

20:29

Ruben Foster, linebacker

20:32

for the San Francisco forty Niners, the

20:34

reason why he decided to break up with the girls

20:37

because he was like, Yo, I can't have no girlfriend

20:39

who's out here acting wild in the streets. She

20:41

said, fuck you, I'm gonna say you did it. Literally,

20:44

simple as that. I'm gonna say you did it. Took

20:46

press charges, police were involved,

20:49

went to court, and then in court

20:52

she admitted she was lying. Man,

20:54

this is scary shit. Yeah, any

20:57

woman, any girlfriend that calls the cops

20:59

on you at warrants the end

21:01

of the relationship, like just

21:04

you call, like calling the cops on me and

21:06

trying to have me arrested for some little arguments.

21:09

Relationship over and that this dude

21:11

is lucky that they went to court and

21:13

they actually, you know, found out

21:15

that it wasn't true, because most you

21:17

know, sometimes they just believe

21:19

it in your life is ruined mental

21:22

illness. Chicks that do that, Yo,

21:24

it's terrible man. Good good for him

21:26

though that it didn't pan out the

21:28

way. She wanted to ruin the guy's life,

21:31

and like, like what do you gain from that?

21:33

Like, what do you gain out of doing that? And she said, I

21:35

wanted to ruin him. Who thinks that way?

21:38

Were a mental illness? Motherfucker. Obviously,

21:41

if a man puts his hands on his women, call

21:43

the cops. Of course, arrest that

21:45

animal. Wonderbread, wonder

21:47

bread, bad olive oil treatment. But

21:50

this this, and and you know, I guess he had.

21:52

This whole thing is a mess because now that the cops

21:54

are on him, there were some other things that didn't have to

21:56

do with it that are involved in this.

21:58

This guy's life is just yo. Charges

22:01

should be put on her. I don't

22:04

know why they don't. There's no repercussions,

22:06

there's no consequence. There has to be right,

22:09

it should. You're wasting the courts time, you're

22:11

wasting the states false accusations.

22:14

You should get the same amount of time that he was gonna

22:16

get. Right, that's a deterrent.

22:18

I don't know. This is easy, This is simple

22:21

to administer. That be like, oh, you can't just come

22:23

in court and say this guy did that and ruin

22:25

his life. So now your ship gets ruined. It's simple,

22:29

fucking simple, and it's starbuckshit.

22:32

You see what happened with that now? Right? Yeah,

22:34

well, what do you mean they turned it into a It's

22:37

like, it's like it's a it's a fucking bath

22:39

house. Now it's a Turkish bath house. They

22:42

they said that you

22:44

don't know whoever comes in. You don't

22:46

have to buy anything. You could you could go in the

22:48

bathroom, you could chill there, use

22:51

the WiFi. Howard Schultz,

22:53

I'm ashamed of you being from b K Carnarsi

22:58

and you don't know how to handle this ship.

23:00

All you gotta do is have a press conference and state

23:02

the policy. Yo, this is what it is. Paying

23:05

customers use the bathroom. That's

23:07

it. Put it up above the bathroom and

23:09

and stand on that convection, just like

23:11

every other restaurant in business

23:14

in the world. Okay, Starbucks

23:16

is like it's not even a public library. Even

23:18

a public library you need a card. Yeah,

23:21

it's gonna be a fucking latrine. You're gonna

23:23

have the homeless uh contingent

23:26

once they get word that, Yo, anybody

23:28

could use that. Those nice bathrooms

23:30

they're gonna be washing up, They're gonna be shipping

23:33

all over the place, and you ruin your to

23:35

you, I guarantee you will be discussing uh

23:37

prostitutes. They'll be going in there like Yo're

23:40

going here and freak off. Give me that twenty five

23:42

blah blah blah that because there's no rules,

23:46

just like port authority where you fucking

23:48

get a big shopping bag and you stand

23:50

in the bag so it looks like it's just

23:53

you, you on the

23:55

toilet and somebody standing in a shopping

23:57

bag in front of you. Guarantee you that

24:00

going to happen. What

24:03

else is going on? Mr Moody, I gotta be

24:05

honest, Like I said, I'm at

24:07

work, uh

24:09

preparing to to to sing

24:12

and dance. But if

24:14

you could see the visuals on

24:18

what I look like right now, you

24:21

you would you'd fucking ship like you'd

24:23

literally get into the three point position

24:25

and drop a deuce. I'm just gonna

24:28

I'm just gonna say that. Um,

24:31

I can't disclose exactly

24:33

the details of what I'm saying right now, but but

24:35

soon enough, my friends, Another

24:37

big thing that everybody was all uh been

24:40

out of shape about the last couple of days,

24:42

is this royal wedding not

24:44

now? I want to say this. I

24:47

want to say this. I

24:49

I don't like weddings. I find

24:51

them tedious, I find

24:54

them boring, I find

24:56

them physically uncomfortable.

25:00

Most of them take place outdoors,

25:02

and as you know, I suffer from

25:05

uh swamp ass, especially

25:07

in the summer, uh

25:10

in the fall. Um.

25:13

I don't care if it's my

25:16

brother's wedding, my best

25:18

friend's wedding, my big fat Greek

25:20

wedding, I could give a fuck. I don't

25:22

like the pageantry of weddings.

25:25

Now, anybody who's married, I'm married,

25:27

the Moody's married, I wish you luck.

25:30

It's not that I don't support the

25:32

institution of marriage, it's

25:34

the pageantry of weddings.

25:39

All that being said, why

25:42

the fuck would I? And

25:45

I don't understand why anyone else. I don't care.

25:48

It's cute, it's so romantic. Who

25:50

gives two ships about

25:53

a royal wedding? Do you know that more

25:55

people watch this royal

25:58

wedding than

26:01

anything on TV this entire year?

26:03

You know, you got motherfucker's

26:05

that won't wake up to go

26:08

to work. You got motherfucker's that didn't

26:10

get up to vote. You got motherfucker's

26:12

that don't wake up to go to the gym,

26:15

but they woke up at two in the morning

26:19

to watch a fucking royal wedding.

26:23

And I told you I have no problem

26:25

with Megan Marco. I worked with her on

26:27

the now defunct Award Home.

26:30

She was fantastic. She was nice, good

26:32

actress or a decent person as

26:34

far as I know. Uh, my man,

26:37

Prince Harry, who I want to say, I

26:39

like him too. He keeps it rough, rugged

26:41

and raw. He keeps it grimy

26:43

in the streets. My man's got off protruding

26:46

bold spot. He's got

26:49

all the means to

26:51

fix that ship or just shave

26:54

the entire thing off. He don't give

26:56

a fuck. He's about that life, Harry

26:59

ball Game, about that life. He doesn't

27:01

give a fun. His his brother, what's his brother's

27:03

name, Charlie, What his

27:06

name is? What it is, Harry? And what that's

27:09

their crew? And this guy came out there looking like

27:11

Katie, looking like yo yo. It's

27:13

a wedding, obviously, he doesn't care.

27:16

He has an empire, he got a

27:18

lot of racks. He don't care. Like

27:20

how he came out. I like how he came out.

27:23

I like how he said. Yo. You may think

27:25

this is all all beautiful, but

27:28

for me, I'm not gonna comb my hair. I

27:30

don't give a fun boom. This

27:32

is it, this is what it is. I like how he how

27:35

he gets there. Yo. I I funk

27:37

with Harry, and I funk with his brother. What's

27:39

his brother's name is Charlie wap right? Yeah?

27:42

Why it's what nappy

27:44

Harry and why Yo?

27:47

I have no problem with them. I just don't give

27:49

a funk about your wedding, Duke. They this

27:51

ship went on for like three hours. They

27:53

got preachers in there, they got churches

27:57

and choirs and horse and Carrie

28:00

or horse and buggies and all that. Duke,

28:02

I don't give funk about any of that. I

28:04

wish you luck. Funk with you,

28:06

Harry. I'm telling you. I respect

28:09

that he comes out grime. He could get a

28:11

wig, he could get

28:13

somebody to fill his ship, and he doesn't care.

28:15

I think it's an inspiration of men. He

28:18

don't care. He got the red the red hair

28:20

with his ship is messy.

28:22

Yeah, and think about it, You're married

28:25

into my kingdom. Like, why

28:27

should I look all? You're the one coming

28:29

into our empire. It's about

28:32

us. He's

28:34

saying that. By the way he carries himself.

28:36

He's like, yo, I don't give a funk about the way I look.

28:38

I'm a prince. I'm

28:41

a prince. My brother is a prince.

28:43

You know what's fucked up? What is the queen

28:46

gonna when? When is she gonna go away? The

28:48

father Prince Charles is that his name?

28:50

Or prince? What's the father's name? Prince Charles, the one

28:52

who is married to Diane. Yeah, yeah,

28:54

that's He's been waiting his

28:57

entire life for his mom, the croak, and

28:59

she just won't go. He's

29:02

like, she just won't go. His

29:04

whole life is like, oh, when she goes,

29:06

I'm gonna be the king. I'm gonna be the king.

29:09

She's she's bout it, bout

29:11

it, She's got about twenty

29:13

more years. She's like, Yo, I'm not just turning

29:16

this ship over to you, duke. I'm

29:19

not just giving up the crown

29:21

and all that. His whole

29:23

life has been groomed to be the king, and

29:26

his mom's is looking like, yo, none

29:28

of y'all, I'm not I'm not just turning over

29:30

the jewels and all that ship. So

29:33

Megan Mark. I wish you luck, Harry,

29:37

what a funk with you guys, But yo, all

29:39

it to do, you're not getting any of that love for

29:42

me. Duke. Yeah,

29:44

I didn't watch it, and

29:47

I wish him well, but I

29:49

didn't watch this. Now, I didn't watch it. I didn't

29:51

follow the coverage. I didn't watch

29:53

the pregame. I didn't watch the post game.

29:55

I didn't watch the recap. I don't give a funk about

29:58

any of that. Yeah,

30:01

any of that. Ship. Um,

30:03

the Great Biggie Small celebrated a birthday.

30:08

What can be said about Biggie consummate

30:11

Brooklyn m C from Bedford Steiverson

30:14

Brooklyn h

30:16

A lot of people, um,

30:18

you know, talk about Biggie

30:20

on on on his birthday. And I was trying to

30:23

think of, uh, his

30:25

top five favorite

30:27

songs of mine and after

30:29

doing the math and and this is this is like picking

30:32

children, because he's got so many good

30:34

songs that resonate. Um.

30:36

But on Biggie's uh

30:39

birthday week, you know you always got to celebrate

30:41

him twenty five years old man,

30:44

Damn Yeah at Tupac

30:46

same ages. I

30:49

mean, he realized his dream

30:51

and then within that dream you

30:54

get executed. It's it's just terrible,

30:56

but at least we have his work, his art

30:58

to appreciate and him being from

31:00

b K right down crazy for

31:03

me, so of course he was one of the

31:05

great and it's just sad that he's

31:07

gone from where you grew up. How far away

31:10

is is where Biggie's from,

31:12

Like fifteen fifteen minutes away?

31:16

Crazy, so influential

31:18

on popular culture and obviously a

31:20

game changer in the art form

31:23

that is hip hop. I had

31:25

to break down my my top five Biggie songs

31:27

as party in bullshit,

31:31

the what story

31:34

to tell? Then

31:37

I had to say the Sky's the Limit and

31:40

who Shot You? As my top five songs?

31:42

I left out plenty of songs and and and other

31:44

other people can make the list. I was listening to

31:47

all the great mixes by all the DJs out

31:49

there. Um who who put out that

31:51

fire? Uh for Biggie's birthday?

31:53

What would have been his birthday? Uh?

31:56

On May twenty one? Um,

31:59

there's a there's a feminist out

32:01

there who who's trying to ban Father's

32:03

Day? She says,

32:06

it's it's offensive to the two

32:08

parent homes. What if

32:10

it's it's at home with two mothers. Uh,

32:13

somebody was trying to do the same thing on Mother's

32:15

Day, and I want to say, fuck

32:17

you. You're you're not banning

32:20

Father's Day. My father's birthday is

32:22

June. Disco Dave

32:24

Rapp report will be eighty five on

32:26

June. I believe the twenty one

32:29

is Father's Day this year. And if

32:31

you think your little hashtag bullshit

32:34

online is gonna stop

32:37

me from celebrating Disco

32:39

Dave's birthday slash

32:41

father Day, you could, you could

32:43

eat three dicks. My

32:46

father's eighty five years old.

32:49

Hey fucking five. He

32:53

walks the streets in New York every

32:56

fucking day. You

32:59

think when is gonna celebrate him? You

33:02

motherfucker you. That's

33:06

this Go fucking Dave. The

33:09

next thing, you know, they're gonna try to because

33:11

because you're not skeeting, we

33:13

shouldn't celebrate Valentine's Day.

33:17

Women shouldn't get flowers, men

33:20

shouldn't get chocolates, and vice versa

33:22

and versa visa because you're not skeeting.

33:24

That's next. Yo. I thought it

33:27

was no gender. I thought it was no such thing

33:29

as male and female. Make your fucking

33:31

mind up right. If there's no gender,

33:34

yo, Father's day, Mother's Why Why don't

33:36

you pick your own day? Why do you have

33:38

to go after the days that

33:40

are delineated for a male

33:43

which is us, me, you, and

33:46

female Mother's Day? But in your fucking

33:48

sick world, there is no genders.

33:51

There's no male and female. The creator

33:53

didn't give me a male sex organ and

33:55

a woman has a female This is clear.

33:58

What what it's supposed to be? Get the

34:00

funk out of here with that dumb ship. All

34:03

right, listen, we

34:05

are we recovered, We

34:08

rebounded ce Iron

34:10

Rapport Stereo Podcast. Uh.

34:14

I don't know what more we could do. Moody Listen.

34:16

We had a little situation. Uh

34:19

we we we made the best of it. We're

34:21

gonna be banging on them all week, banging

34:24

on their fucking heads

34:27

like Dominique Wilkins. Uh.

34:30

Coming up next, special guest, Ben Bowler.

34:32

Listen. This guy's got stories upon

34:34

stories. He's like Korean

34:37

uh Zelig or Forrest Gump.

34:40

Okay, He's made jewelry

34:43

from Michael Jackson. He's got crazy

34:45

Michael Jackson stories. He's got crazy

34:47

asap fur stories. He's

34:49

got crazy stories about making Julie

34:51

for everybody in

34:54

the last like fifteen twenty years in

34:57

in in pop music, in hip hop,

35:00

He's gonna explain how to not get fucked

35:02

if you do, in fact get

35:05

hitched and you want to buy your

35:07

girlfriend, your boyfriend

35:10

or significant other a

35:12

diamond. He's gonna help try to walk

35:14

you through not getting fucked because you get

35:16

screwed so easily out there. He's a jeweler,

35:19

he's a ship talker. He's a big fan of the Iron

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35:23

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All right, Ben

35:58

Bowlers in the house in

36:01

the building, Ben

36:03

Baller made the motherfucking chain.

36:08

I say, like the Koreans, like the Korean

36:11

Forrest Gump. Because you've had a

36:13

crazy life. Iron Rapports

36:16

stereo podcast, Ben Baller in

36:18

the building, so I know who

36:20

you are and a lot of people know

36:22

your So if people said, who the fuck is Ben Bahler,

36:25

what would you say? You

36:28

know? I had this struggle. Um,

36:31

yesterday, on Mother's Day, I go

36:33

on Twitter and my longtime

36:36

friend twenty five years Alchemist,

36:39

hip hop producer extraordinaire. Me

36:41

and him grew up together. So Alan

36:43

is tweeting about ship like. He goes to his

36:46

Q and A and he says, anyone asked me,

36:48

you know, free, free, feel free

36:50

to ask me anything you want and I'm gonna reply, and

36:53

I just catch I guess maybe it could have been the seventh question

36:55

the question and someone says, yo,

36:57

what do you get your brakes out? In your records? Are you still shop?

36:59

Are you still digging the crates? And

37:01

before Alan ever did any of that,

37:04

I was a famous DJ, you know, especially in

37:07

l A I was. I was a very big DJ. I did all the clubs before

37:09

DJ. Am did you know me? And we're in the same crew.

37:12

Shout out to Am and homicide Rest in peace, Adam

37:14

Goldstein And Um,

37:17

I had to be a dick because sometimes

37:20

I need that like that verification, you

37:22

know, that that just that insecurity,

37:25

and I was like, hey, Alan, I wonder, how does it feel

37:27

digging the crates? I really wonder, you know, like,

37:30

what's it like digging for records and finding records

37:32

in Ohio and Philadelphia? And it must

37:34

be really cool because I would never know what that's like.

37:37

And he goes, fuck you, you bitter

37:39

old yang motherfucker. You know, he just started going off, and I

37:41

was like, you know, people don't know that I was in hip hop,

37:43

like for real, for real, you know, not mumble

37:46

rapping his bullshit, and more

37:48

so not even on the professional side, but also on

37:51

the talent side, you know, like you know,

37:53

I was like every element of hip hop,

37:55

you know, you think about the four elements or than three elements

37:57

of hip hop, and it's like, you got breaking, you got

37:59

dancing, you got graffiti, you got em see,

38:01

you got djank So for element or whatever, and I did pretty

38:04

much all him except rap. So

38:06

when people ask me, hey, what do you are, and people say,

38:08

hey, listen, you know, if you're

38:11

twenty one years old, you only know me as a jeweler.

38:14

You don't know me as anything else, do you

38:16

know? So when people were like, why

38:18

is Ben Baller hosting the twenty year anniversary

38:21

of Rockefeller Records of the Reasonable

38:23

Doubt album. And they're like, because Ben was the

38:25

vice president A and R and he was part of the

38:27

people out signed jay Z. You know, like I thought

38:29

he was a jeweler. I'm like, yeah, dude, that was for thirteen years,

38:31

you know, but before that, I was in a music business. So

38:34

it's hard to say who

38:36

Ben Baller is. And the first thing I say

38:38

is I'm a father, I'm a husband

38:41

and an entrepreneur. But I can't

38:43

ever not say even though

38:45

the music thing was good and I put work in, I

38:48

could never take the fact away that I

38:51

was I am a jeweler and it pays

38:53

the bills, and I have to embrace the fact that

38:56

it's put me on the map now on a whole different

38:58

level. So all right, so I want to get to the Priority

39:00

Records and the Reasonable Doubt. So jewelry,

39:04

So you're a jeweler, Like you like,

39:06

what what does that mean? Because one of the things

39:08

that one of the things that I was gonna ask you, because

39:10

jewel jewelry is such a it's

39:13

like it's a it's a broad

39:16

it's a fucking broad title, but also like the

39:18

consumer is such

39:22

a vulnerable sucker

39:25

in that thing. Like I mean, like it is

39:27

every time I've bought jewelry and it's only for

39:30

my wife, it's

39:32

like you're like fucking you know, like they could

39:34

tell you anything there, you know, you they

39:36

take out what's at the loop that I think they're

39:38

like, oh, you see this, you see that, and like I know,

39:40

I'm like, I know, you're bullshit me. The only thing

39:42

that I'm like, I'm asking is like, just don't

39:44

bullshit me too much? Like

39:47

how much of a sucker sport is being a jeweler?

39:49

Like how much fake ship is out is

39:51

out there? Forget for rappers, forget

39:54

high end shit, forget like when you're spending

39:56

hundreds of thousand. I'm just talking about, like if somebody who was like

39:58

I just bought my wife a beauty a full engage

40:01

ring, And how many people are getting taken advantage

40:03

of? Seriously? So seriously, Let's say,

40:05

for instance, one of the journeys

40:07

I embarked on after like my

40:10

first few years of becoming a jeweler was

40:12

starting to go to you know, if you're in the if

40:14

you're in the in the in the in the clothing game and everything

40:16

else. You've been to agenda or magic

40:18

trade show and now there's complex con you go

40:20

to these shows. So the jewelry has the same

40:22

thing, except they have a few few small

40:25

shows and they have the biggest one, which is J C. K. By

40:28

the way, in two thousands seventeen, I one Jeweler of the Year. It was

40:30

over three h thousand jewelers. You know, nominated.

40:33

You can't nominate yourself. And bro,

40:35

we're talking about real people you know out there who are killing when

40:37

you think you're big, like oh, Ben Bala to the chain

40:39

and you go over there and you see dudes who are selling

40:42

twenty million dollar diamond and you're like, Okay, get the funk

40:44

out of here. Ben, You're sucking punk. You're you're nobody to

40:46

me. And it's true. But at the same time, what

40:48

I've done from where I'm from is you

40:51

know, it's I'm proud of it, and it's a worldwide

40:53

thing. It is it's that's the thing. It's global. So

40:55

this this event is in Vegas and then

40:58

it's in China, but stay focused on people.

41:00

I am so going.

41:02

I decided to like go to like let's say, for

41:04

instance, I was going to St. Louis, right,

41:08

and you go to the mall and I'm

41:10

like, that's where you're getting funed

41:13

getting So I go to a

41:17

Daniels Jewelers in there, which is a chain.

41:19

They have them in Fox Hills Mall. They have them

41:21

all over the place, right, And I go there

41:24

and I was like, what's the biggest diamond you carrying here?

41:26

Like once the biggest diamond you want? And I'm like, I hate

41:29

people to answer like that. I'm a fucking salesman.

41:31

I'm a jeweler. I'm also a hustler, So

41:33

I hate when you try to hustle me like I'm going in

41:35

there as a consumer. They don't know who I am yet you're

41:37

just asking just to see someone like

41:40

can I see the best

41:42

timon you have in this store? Now?

41:44

Mind you, I don't know what the economic

41:47

statistics are for St. Louis, you know, in

41:49

the thousand seven. So

41:53

I go in there and the lady brings me out

41:55

a she brings me a s

41:57

I one h color diamond.

42:00

Now, I'm not gonna lie to you. It's

42:03

it's a it's a decent diamond. Okay. So

42:05

when I say decent, remember there's Lamborghini

42:08

Diamonds, Bentley Diamonds, Rolls Royce Diamonds,

42:10

and this is a

42:13

C class diamond. Okay,

42:16

so this diamond was

42:18

a one point to five Carrott diamond.

42:20

So you know, it's it's again. I might

42:22

be a little jaded, but this is

42:24

a a smaller diamond, right, but this

42:27

is a big diamond for certain people who make you

42:29

know, grand a year or whatever it may be. So

42:32

I said, okay, how much is this diamond? And

42:35

she tells me, I can give it to you

42:37

for seven thousand five dollars.

42:39

Now I could probably

42:42

at that time, I could probably buy that diamond for with

42:45

certificates and everything that diamond

42:47

was worth. Maybe. Okay,

42:50

So this is that. That's that's this. This is not This is one where

42:52

it gets bad. Where it gets bad

42:54

is they have a note like how

42:56

you don't fact check. They don't, they

42:58

don't credit check. They give you, they

43:01

give you a finance program. They

43:03

want you to finance this ring because a lot of

43:05

people in St. Louis might not have eight

43:07

grand. They put seven thousand and

43:10

seven Tho it's not eight thousand,

43:13

you know, So you go and get this ring.

43:15

Yeah, it's a trick for everything. So then

43:17

they say, hey, listen, do you have tour dollars? Put

43:19

tour dollars down, you know, blah blah whatever. Spending

43:22

the rest of your life buying this eight thousand

43:24

dollar ring that

43:27

listen, by the time you're done paying

43:29

this ring off, you've spent on this

43:33

this ring. Now, that's just one story.

43:35

It gets way worse. But but if

43:38

if someone said to you, Ben, how

43:40

do I know I'm not getting funcked with my diamond?

43:43

Like? Where do you take it? How do you check

43:45

it? The loop thing? I mean, I think you have to be

43:47

trained. Like I looked at that thing. I

43:49

can't see like, you know, to see it through the you

43:51

know, I bought my wife a thing and we're looking

43:53

at in these I mean I can see it just I can see

43:55

it immediately, and you can tell from just looking at it.

43:57

Yeah, because I have a trained die. But I mean, even going

44:00

on Twitter, how could a regular motherfucker not

44:02

get fucked? Is there a way not to get fucked?

44:04

I mean, okay, you have to go somewhere

44:07

do a little bit of research. You know, there's

44:10

a website called blue mail dot com. I even hate

44:12

giving people this right there. But they're kind

44:14

of like the all Right, if

44:17

it's fucking cheaper than us, then you're

44:19

beyond good. If it's more than

44:22

us, it's you're still good. But

44:24

if it's like that's like the scale. And I hate using

44:26

them because sometimes what happens at Blue

44:28

Nil is they don't stock their own diamonds,

44:30

so they take people's diamonds in right,

44:33

and it's like they're holding a bunch of diamonds like flight club

44:36

and so they fucked the market up. And if

44:38

you have any idea, which I'm so, this is such

44:41

a crazy coincidence. Do you know what

44:43

a Beckett guide is? No, Okay,

44:45

the Beckett guide is for it for I mean for

44:47

for baseball cards. You check the Beckett

44:49

right, so you know the Beckett is the guide for

44:52

um, how much your Jordan's rookie

44:54

card is worth, how much your King Griffey rookie card is worth?

44:57

With so the diamonds have the same guide.

45:00

What's it called? What is it called? Oh,

45:02

it's a report. So

45:05

the rap rap sheet is that's

45:07

the that's the name. The rap sheet tells you

45:09

what a wholesale cost on the diamond is

45:12

the only thing that fucked up is that Okay,

45:15

they're they're the standard universal scale.

45:17

So if you're in India, if you're in Dubai,

45:20

if you're in um I'm

45:22

thinking anything that's not in North America, if you're in Mexico,

45:24

wherever else, you use the rapport. That's the standard

45:26

guide now people using

45:28

Blue Nile. The funked up part

45:30

about it is when I'm buying diamond wholesale

45:33

through a dealer, and let's say I find some Hasidic

45:35

Jews in New York City and I buy a diamond. Sometimes

45:38

they're giving me a price that's literally

45:41

a few hundred dollars better than Blue Now. And

45:44

that's why I hate Blue Now, because

45:46

I don't want to go through another fucking business. I'm going

45:48

through a dealer, and that's where the game is now,

45:51

and they're they're leveling the playing field now

45:53

for me, where I get my money

45:56

is that my hands touched it? Do you know what I'm trying

45:58

to say? You know when tiff Any charges

46:01

you know, Okay, for instance, I'll give

46:03

you a perfect example. My stores opening up

46:05

the best Our next month, right. I

46:08

tried to get in there for five years.

46:11

For a while, there was this company that

46:14

uses a turquoise little box that's famous

46:16

for hundreds of hundreds of years. And

46:18

they said, oh, that Benballer guy,

46:21

No, we can't have that because it's unfair

46:23

competition clause. And they pull out some crazy language

46:25

and a legal thing, and pretty much I

46:27

was selling a diamond for sixty grand that they sell for

46:29

a hundred twenty. And I'm like, you think

46:32

I'm getting over, holy fucking ship,

46:34

the same exact thing. Yeah, these and I'm talking

46:36

about grading scales now, g I A the whole nine certificates

46:39

and everything, but they appraise

46:41

their thing a little differently, which is bullshit. You

46:43

know, when you get robbed, you have homewarn, insurance and anything

46:45

else. You have to claim it at a certain point, you know, at a certain

46:47

price, whatever it may be. But when you get

46:49

it from them, I guess they give you a little more if you have a receipt or

46:51

whatever. But what I'm getting at is, if you're going

46:53

out there, just try to find somebody

46:55

reputable, try to gauge your

46:59

work or what you have, or or you're buying what

47:01

you're interested in with maybe blue Now,

47:03

don't go to eBay because it's so much fake shit. But

47:06

and don't believe the salesperson, whatever

47:08

the funk you do not when you're going up there

47:10

telling the truth, just be like fun. You have to you have

47:12

to. You have to fact check. You have to diligently

47:15

fact check. So so before

47:17

I get to the pieces and all the fucking crazy

47:19

jewelry stories, let me just ask

47:21

you this, are our diamonds

47:23

a good investment? Like if you buy

47:26

a ring, do you buy your you buy your

47:28

wife a ring, if

47:30

and and and you something happens with

47:33

your wife. It's in general it

47:35

depending like if you're buying, if you buy a good

47:37

one, you buy like you spend

47:40

dollars on the best dollar

47:42

ring, like it's just a great ring. Then

47:45

then you're just basically putting your money somewhere else.

47:47

That's all it is. Yeah, and you're good. It's not gonna necessarily

47:49

go up, but it's it shouldn't go down.

47:52

It shouldn't go down, and you'll definitely eventually,

47:54

yeah, it'll go up here and there. Like someone who spent

47:56

twenty grand, like in two thousand and six, their

47:59

ring might be thirty end now right

48:02

depending what it is right now. If

48:04

you were to spend a

48:07

million on some stones, like

48:09

a rare diamond. You know you could sunk around

48:11

and flip it for two point five because you know, you

48:13

realize tk about the regular person. Yeah,

48:16

okay, the regular person you shouldn't be you.

48:18

You could get your wife a diamond, which is

48:20

you know that that that's fine. But if you're

48:22

going out. I tell people this all the time, and

48:25

I know so you don't want to want to get into this whole thing, but I have

48:27

to because I was a and

48:29

R and because I was giving people advances, and this

48:31

is when it was good. I

48:34

hate to see an eighteen year old kid get his rap

48:36

contract and he's like, yo, all right,

48:38

your advances too on the grand All right, now, mind you, this

48:41

is supposed to last you until you finished

48:43

the first half of the album, and then we give

48:46

you another and then when you turn the album and then

48:48

you get the rest of your money. Right, so

48:50

you need to get an apartment or you need a how is you can

48:52

do this? This? And this? What

48:54

does he do? Ben's Beamer

48:57

watch, Rolex chain the whole night

48:59

and no money for anything else? Right, And these

49:01

fucking guys go broke so pretty much pretty

49:04

much now that these three sixty deals

49:06

and you don't own your publishing, and you know, you don't get your

49:08

merch. I've never heard that in my entire life. When people

49:10

are telling out of dinner last night with like three

49:13

multi platinum a list

49:15

enormous stars, and one of them was like,

49:18

why did I get it? Fight? And

49:21

he's like, I owned all my publishing. And when he

49:23

said that, I was so fucking blown away

49:26

because you know, besides like tire of the creator,

49:28

like nobody has their publishing and I mean no one has, like

49:30

you know, their merch and these guys are murdering and

49:33

for labels to ask for the merch because the game

49:35

is so fucked up now with streaming and you

49:37

can't sell records, and it's just want the merchandise.

49:39

Yeah, they're taking, they're taking, they're taking

49:41

touring dude. It's crazy. So

49:44

going on when a

49:46

young dude comes to me and he's like, y'all

49:49

want to get a chain. My cousin,

49:51

my business partner, who is

49:55

very just he he hates that

49:57

I do this. I don't want anybody

49:59

coming back and trying to sell the chain back to me or

50:01

try to do this that in the third and go through the headache. And I was like, listen,

50:03

bro if Our, you man,

50:06

are you sure you want to drop sixty grand on the

50:08

chain right now? And he goes, yeah, yeah, I like,

50:10

listen, Brom, I'm trying to tell you something, like

50:13

I know a lot of dudes, and I bring up like Smusher

50:15

Parker's name, like listen, Smush Parker's kind of me by

50:17

all this crazy jewelry at the Smush Kalad and blah

50:19

blah, and I have no idea what dude is now, and

50:21

who knows. I'm just letting you know, man, you

50:24

never know. You know, I'm just asking

50:26

you if you got it. It's really nothing,

50:28

you know what I'm saying. Floyd got it? You know what I'm saying. Like someone

50:30

like even Ai, they're like, oh, I

50:32

went broke. You know what, I'll be real with you during

50:35

that time when they're saying Iverson was broke, he

50:38

was wearing a million dollar fucking chain on his neck.

50:40

And this is Las Vegas NBA All Star oh seven

50:43

or eight or whatever year it was, And it's

50:45

like some people got some people don't, do you know, people

50:47

don't know how to spend their money right, And there's other there's other

50:49

ways. Yes, if you funk around

50:51

and buy a bunch of change, you can work around and go broke.

50:54

So I give them the disclaimer because I

50:56

don't want to be held responsible for you.

50:58

You don't want to coming back to and it sells shipped back

51:00

to your return it in any of that ship. Of

51:04

every jeweler I know will never give

51:06

him that disclaimer. They just it's just

51:08

boom boom. And of

51:10

jewelers are Jewish, even though half my family is Jewish.

51:13

You know, wait, are you have Korean half Jewish?

51:16

What it is is my mom's three sisters

51:19

married into Jewish families. So then

51:22

all my cousins are Jewish because they

51:24

were born Jewish mothers converted. But

51:26

they're you know, Polish jew Israeli Jew, you

51:28

know what I'm saying. And so it's like my cousins all

51:30

went to do they went to Eshiva, they went to Templars,

51:33

they went to Temple Manual. My other cousins graduate

51:35

from Stevens Wise, you know. So I grew up that my

51:37

sister married jew converted,

51:39

my nieces are Jewish, but like half my family is Jewish.

51:41

I went to Beverly Hills fucking High School. Bro I went to school

51:44

with sixt pcent. I'm sorry seventy Jewish

51:46

people. You know, then you've got the Persian Jews, you got the

51:48

It's just like battles all over the place.

51:51

So I just grew up around on all my life, you

51:53

know. But I respect it because half

51:55

my family is and people think I did it to help

51:57

my jewelry sales, and no, I'm like, dude, like you

51:59

know, I'm not going to fucking say they're just for that, you know

52:01

what I'm saying, Like, come on, all right, Ben Boller

52:03

did the chain. If

52:06

I said to you your five

52:09

most proud pieces that

52:11

you made for celebs, what

52:13

would they be? Now you've done fucking I

52:15

mean I Drake

52:18

Nas Tyler, the Creators, Snooped or

52:20

everybody. You just said Smush Parker, which asap

52:23

for push Justin

52:25

Bieber, Michael Jackson. You

52:27

made fucking jewelry for Michael Jackson. You

52:29

made jewelry for President Barack

52:31

Obama or his crew. So if

52:34

I said your top five pieces

52:36

that you made, who would they

52:38

be? And do you physically

52:41

make them? Like are you ye? So

52:43

you're like doing the thing like are you burning

52:45

the stuff? So for instance, okay, let's let's let's

52:47

start with that first, and we're gonna go into the top five. There's

52:50

there's jewelers who are a jeweler because

52:52

by trade they sell in trade diamonds and

52:55

they look at they look at um, you know, they look at stones

52:57

that you know, they work in jewelry stores. So technically, by trade

52:59

your jeweler. Then there's a master jeweler

53:02

who someone can weld,

53:05

laser weld, set stones, repair,

53:08

they're a goldsmith part time everything else.

53:10

There's a lot of different tiles. So jeweler I can

53:12

do all the above. But

53:15

Wolfgang Puck is not going to be throwing a pizza

53:17

every single fucking day and it's in his shop. He's

53:19

got the people to do it. Dr Dre is not going

53:21

to be playing piano on every single beat. He

53:23

produced it though, Right, you don't see anybdy else's

53:25

credits maybe except on publishing and who the fox is

53:27

gonna see? Like, oh see brotus a young

53:30

Oh who are these guys after? Do you get what I'm trying

53:32

to say to you? So I have a team, love them, respect

53:34

him to death. But yeah, I orchestrate and

53:36

oversee everything that I touched, especially

53:39

if I say but We have jewelers in my you

53:41

know, I have I have a team of jewelers and you know master

53:43

jewelers, bench jewelers that are inside

53:45

my crew that make things for my brand,

53:47

IF and Co. But for me personally

53:49

when it comes to the big dogs, I gotta

53:52

touch this ship, do you feel me? I gotta touch

53:54

every aspect. I was the final policy. You know, you start off

53:56

with the wax cut and this, but I'm for

53:58

this. Yeah. But but my and my

54:00

cousin taught me everything. Now everyone

54:02

under me had to go to school because

54:06

like you know, like I don't know. I mean,

54:09

Kobe didn't go to college, you know. And I'm just trying to

54:11

you know what I'm saying, Like I just all that ship. It

54:13

doesn't seem like it's like it seems like a skill.

54:15

It is, but there's like just out of the

54:17

welding park and shoot like welding. Like it's

54:19

like like there's a lot of Korean people from Korea that

54:21

just they learned that trade through like

54:24

like literally just watching something. It's in there, it's

54:26

in their family. I mean, okay, no offense. How

54:28

many Mexican people in l A went to school

54:30

for construction? These motherfucker's are building five story

54:32

and hundred story buildings. Whatever. You get what

54:34

I'm saying. So going on top five. Um,

54:39

I did a list for Complex a while back, but it was

54:41

the best I thought as far as my pieces.

54:44

Oh you did a list of best of other just pieces,

54:47

the top one hip hop jewelry pieces of all

54:49

time. You know what I'm saying. And they want me to do a new one because it's

54:51

been like six or seven years. I mean, it's gonna get

54:53

tough now because some of these ship, these kids

54:55

are spending their money. It is some goofy.

54:59

I don't want to stay. I want to focus because

55:01

these guys are wearing some ship.

55:03

Let's go off the top. It's

55:06

tough because the first two are like, they

55:09

mean so much to me because of I go

55:11

with the backstory, I go with the execution,

55:13

I go with everything that I put into this.

55:15

So let's start off with John Mayor. John

55:18

Mayor's Big Lebowski. The Dude piece was

55:21

so stupid because one

55:24

anyone who is a film buff like me or

55:26

you are, you realize the Corn Brothers, that

55:28

movie, that the cult that goes on with that,

55:30

there's movie theaters across the country right now that still play

55:33

Lebowski on Friday Night and people go there and yeah

55:36

and that and everything, and like you

55:39

know, John Mayor dude

55:41

like like you know, he's not like he's

55:44

a watch kind of store. He owns million

55:46

dollar watches at least minimum, right, dude is

55:48

is so I can't

55:50

explain to you. He's like the celebrity. You can't hate him, does

55:53

a matter how good lucking everything else. Just one of

55:55

the nicest guys I know. And it's really he's a personal friend

55:57

of mine. When he hit me up for his fourtieth

55:59

birthday president and he gave me the idea.

56:02

He just sends me a picture of the dude in

56:04

his car and he's like, this is what I want. I'm

56:06

like, no, get the funk out of here. And

56:08

building it with him in the process and going through like three

56:10

different molds and going through everything and it was like the effort

56:12

that went in there was like this is fucking insane.

56:15

Then we executed the dude. I found

56:17

a Japanese scale Lebowski doll

56:20

from Tokyo, right from Tokyo, get

56:22

the doll, We make the mold, and then

56:24

we like start going, okay, do we make the hair diamonds?

56:26

Do we just make it like lined up? Do we use

56:29

enamel for the glass? We've finally,

56:32

you know, we released what it is, and it

56:34

came it came out amazing that people

56:37

started fucking hitting me up, like Varna if

56:39

you know the sunglass company he was

56:41

wearing Varna's in the movie. They hit me up like,

56:43

hey, we want to send you in John marrisunglasses,

56:45

you know, because we appreciate what you did. And that's

56:48

like, I don't wanna go too deep into it, but that that's definitely

56:50

up number two now

56:53

something like that now because I

56:55

don't know if it's been documented. The prices I don't like

56:57

because I ever since I don't like to blow people ship

56:59

up because I don't care about the money.

57:02

Um is there versions

57:04

of that? Did you get asked to do versions? Cheaper

57:07

versions, more retained because he probably spent money

57:09

that the people don't

57:11

put that love Lebowski, that would love. So

57:16

a lot of people hit me up for like, hey, just get a

57:18

silver version not gold, because

57:20

you look at let's just say, for instance, for

57:22

argument's sake, the piece was six figures. I can't

57:25

go into deeper. Yeah, I don't want. I

57:27

don't want you. Certain celebrities signed

57:29

I had signed, like easy Friends yea. For instance, I

57:31

gotta sign an NDA every time boom. But like

57:34

um, like rappers,

57:36

they never care about nd as. They want everyone to know how much they

57:38

spent. Right, So let's just say six figures. Let's

57:40

say the peace costs on hundred thousand. If it was made in

57:43

silver, it would cost like

57:45

eight thousand. That's how different. It's

57:47

crazy because but it would still be eight thousand,

57:50

but not the same thing. But let's say now,

57:52

let's say, for instance, I made it in

57:55

China, and I made it out of stainless

57:57

steel and gold plated it and fucking

57:59

don't one China and whatever. Then

58:02

that piece, if you're only making one off,

58:04

I'm making a hundred thousand of them on assembly

58:07

line, totally different because I can afford to make

58:09

him. You know how to do all that ship? Yeah, I mean

58:11

I know how to put all that together, Yeah, for sure. Like

58:14

we've done, like you know, there's big companies

58:16

like diamond suppliers zoom Is, and I've done like you know,

58:18

Ben Baller chains that were like nine nine

58:20

bucks that time.

58:22

People like, hey, listen, it only costs you twenty bucks.

58:24

I'm like, bro, there's marketing. You know, we gotta fun. Never

58:27

wants every you know, it's like motherfucker's wanted.

58:30

Like you can't be Ben Bowler without bowling, you

58:32

know what I mean. It's a business, you know, the business

58:34

like it's not you know, Ben, being Ben Bowler is

58:36

is a business, you know what I mean? Being the green comin. Thinko,

58:38

this is a full time fucking job. All right,

58:40

to go ahead? So so the next four So

58:43

so number two, i'd say, little

58:45

oozies. He has two pieces

58:47

of mine that are just out of this earth. But let's

58:49

talk about okay, As

58:51

far as jewelers, there's

58:54

very few that are famous, right, Jacob definitely

58:56

one. And I idolized him when he got

58:58

put in jail. He stole in jail. No, he

59:01

got out when he got put in jail, though, I

59:03

slid right in and like was like boom

59:05

that I had one moment because there was three other guys

59:07

that were, you know, big, and then Jacob's

59:09

cousins are huge. They're still in the game right

59:12

now. And I was like, listen, there's no West

59:14

Coast jeweler. You know what I'm saying. Everything's in New York

59:16

kind of like like you know, like West

59:19

Coast rapples and his respect respect, you know what I mean, for

59:21

a long time whatever. So same with jewelry.

59:23

How many jewelers are famous and become a personality,

59:25

had their own reality show on you know how

59:28

you know you name it. You know, I'm the

59:30

most followed jeweler in the world, right and

59:32

like ha ha, I mean it's the truth, you

59:34

know. And like with Uzy, we

59:36

made a movie on his first chain. We made the

59:38

movie like for real, Like we we shut

59:40

the game down with his oozy piece and

59:43

we like mimic Farrell's Gucci

59:45

link chain, all the fruity pebble diamonds

59:47

everything. So on this next chain now

59:50

got TMC exposure. And I'll

59:52

say this straight up. I even actually

59:54

made his glow up even

59:56

bigger, do you know what I mean? Like when I gave him his

59:59

his swagger got crazy after that, right, cloud levels

1:00:01

got went up and everything. So now he's

1:00:03

a big rock star. First time I meet him,

1:00:05

he's like, Yo, Ben Baller, I've been wanting

1:00:07

to meet you forever, you know, blah blah. I didn't want

1:00:09

to go through a side rocket and meet you, you know, and I just whatever

1:00:12

and boom And like, by

1:00:14

the way, Rocky was was very influential

1:00:17

and introduced me to these young the new young wave of rappers,

1:00:19

because he's like the godfather of all that ship so

1:00:22

um going on. Oozy hits

1:00:24

me up and he sends me this

1:00:26

picture of Marilyn Manson that

1:00:29

Terry Richardson shot. Now, the thing is

1:00:31

a lot of people in rap and I know it's like, oh

1:00:33

the fun you think we're stupid. No, I'm not saying you're stupid,

1:00:35

but a lot of people aren't, you know, not

1:00:38

articulate. But you know, there's a lot of people that

1:00:40

don't don't know who Terry Richardson is, all right,

1:00:42

and like all right, boom, Terry Richardson shot this for

1:00:44

the cover of Paper magazine and this is

1:00:47

Marilyn Manson. A lot of people don't know who the Marilyn Manson

1:00:49

is now going on. I

1:00:51

mean, some people don't give a funk about that Goofy gool

1:00:53

Cox suner so who

1:00:56

he loves this guy, right and he's fake

1:00:59

Lucifer Alow whatever. Listen, I don't get into

1:01:01

people's things. You start ranting about

1:01:03

slavery was a choice, and what I'm saying, I don't get involved

1:01:06

until that. So going on, I

1:01:08

didn't like that he started talking about Bieber and

1:01:10

I like, I'm like, why are you shipping on Biber?

1:01:12

Let this funk? Like who you shoot on

1:01:15

man, Marilyn Manson. He started

1:01:17

popping ship about Bieber and I'm like, my

1:01:19

man, without the pigeon blood and the whole

1:01:21

You're like just your your whole show

1:01:23

is is what is the Halloween

1:01:26

ship? And uh um, yeah,

1:01:29

it's somehow it's some haunted harbor ship. Like if you

1:01:31

take all that ship away, like like rock your ship

1:01:33

acoustic, you're you can't funk with

1:01:35

Justine? Why are you shipping on Bieber? Anyway? Go ahead,

1:01:38

so Oozy says, let's make this piece long

1:01:41

story short, I make it.

1:01:43

It came out as

1:01:46

far as Craspman ship, I

1:01:49

have to say, is the best

1:01:51

thing I've ever made in my entire life. Right,

1:01:53

better than Michael Jackson's fucking brooch, which

1:01:55

was coming up next. But I'm just saying it was the best

1:01:58

thing. And you know the

1:02:00

crazy part about it was it was Easter

1:02:02

Sunday and he's performing

1:02:05

on a stage. This is Oozy. He's

1:02:07

now his balls have grown. He popped

1:02:09

his cherry. He's doing festivals now.

1:02:12

This motherfucker ain't like some small dude. He's doing

1:02:14

the big stage Coachella. I

1:02:17

have two hours to get to Coachella.

1:02:20

We've talked about this ready. I have collidis.

1:02:22

I don't like to be in the car for two hours in the hot

1:02:24

sun. I like to have every single

1:02:26

route you know where I'm getting off. I gotta jump off the in

1:02:29

and out and use the restroom whatever. I have water

1:02:31

I Freeway,

1:02:33

as we know it is my bathroom. Yeah, I look

1:02:35

at the tent freeway as a public bath. I'm john to

1:02:37

Palm Springs. I bring a separate outfit because

1:02:39

I'm wearing this fucking peppy, goofy outfit for my

1:02:42

wife and my kids for Easter. And I'm at the Langamotawn

1:02:44

Pasadena. Change into my

1:02:46

hip hop ship, get in the car, and I started

1:02:48

smashing to fucking Coachella. All right.

1:02:51

I get there. Of course zis late, blah blah

1:02:53

whatever. We go through the whole thing and us he goes,

1:02:55

I don't even want to see it. And

1:02:57

I was a talking about and he goes, I'm gonna bring

1:02:59

you out on stage. And I'm like, wow,

1:03:02

how many jewelers do you know? I've ever gone on stage and

1:03:04

Coachella are going and any let alone any

1:03:06

enormous show. Never has it happened.

1:03:09

Right, So, in the middle of his set,

1:03:11

before he's about to do one of his biggest songs, Exo

1:03:13

tour Life, Who's he goes, yo, yo, I got something

1:03:15

to say, Man, your where's my jeweler at? You know, where's

1:03:17

Ben baller Rat? And I walk out on stage in front of like

1:03:19

fucking sixty thou people and he goes pull

1:03:21

my chain out, and I pull it out, and

1:03:24

I remember Virgil was there, Tiger was

1:03:26

there, like Rocky, I mean,

1:03:28

every fucking person like whatever was watching us for

1:03:30

him. They were like, Yo, this ship

1:03:33

is crazy. I did a choker

1:03:35

chain with spikes. Farrell was

1:03:37

even like, Farrell doesn't

1:03:39

even fucking fun with jewelry. He even though he's the god

1:03:42

of gods when it came to him and Ego, Farrell

1:03:44

was like, that's special, that's crazy.

1:03:46

What Ben, what you did for Tyler and and

1:03:49

Uzy crazy, Right, That's the

1:03:51

most ultimate compliment. No one else can say anything,

1:03:54

or you could say anything you want to, but for

1:03:56

Farrell, to give the props, but doesn't, doesn't

1:03:58

Farrell he has like that Johnny depth like pirate

1:04:00

ship. It's like he has he has a bunch of ship

1:04:02

too. I'm like, he's evolved into a different level of high fashions.

1:04:06

I'm getting on the hip hop ship. He didn't graduated

1:04:08

to god level. He's immortal now in that world.

1:04:11

But this tooker Chain everything. Then Marilyn

1:04:13

Manson and then never in

1:04:15

a million years did I think it was gonna go that

1:04:17

viral to where I'm like driving

1:04:19

and I'm not even listening to Hip Hop Nation or Shave forty

1:04:21

five. I'm listening to the Heat Chald

1:04:24

forty six on fucking on the

1:04:26

serious and like, guess who just got a quarter

1:04:28

million dollar chained? I'm like, I'm like, he's

1:04:30

not talking about I'm like, well, who else could be talking about?

1:04:33

Right? Then TMZ is running the story. Then

1:04:35

TMZ stops me with a sap rocky,

1:04:37

hey, how about us chain? I was like, are you fucking

1:04:39

kidding me? And then it goes

1:04:41

so big. It keeps going on paper magazines like oh

1:04:44

my god, boom. Then Marilyn Manson fucking

1:04:47

post the picture on his page and it goes,

1:04:49

my son, You've done well with the fucking

1:04:51

you know what I mean, the fucking devil ship.

1:04:53

And then him and Marilyn Manson become good

1:04:56

friends. And then now he's

1:04:58

like, I guess not a and R,

1:05:00

but like creative consultant

1:05:02

for Merrill Manson's come back out. Just

1:05:04

a lot of ship going on with that. That that piece

1:05:07

sparred so you know it spawned so much ship. Does

1:05:09

he still have it? Fuck? Yeah,

1:05:11

bro, that's a legendary piece, dude. Yeah. Have

1:05:13

you ever made something for somebody that you put

1:05:15

your heart and soul and like you see them a year later? Yo?

1:05:17

I fucking lost that ring

1:05:20

or I lost that bracelet like I mean, or if

1:05:22

he does it really do? One

1:05:24

time I made Fabulous a hundred thousandllar chain

1:05:27

that said lo so with the Carlito's

1:05:29

Way thing. And the crazy part was it was

1:05:31

this fucking gigantic canary diamond yellow

1:05:33

gold. You're in heavy

1:05:36

as fuck new Yorkers love

1:05:38

their ship. Heavy new Yorkers like fucking heavy.

1:05:40

Cuban new Yorkers started all the trends. Fabulous

1:05:43

always had his jewelry game on point, and fab had

1:05:45

this chance a Loso and

1:05:48

if you flip it over, it's all

1:05:50

white on white diamonds. It's two pieces and one

1:05:53

dude. He hits me up. One day, I decided to post

1:05:56

the piece on my BBM Do you ever BBM? Back in

1:05:58

the day at BBM balls posted He's yo,

1:06:00

my man, did you see the piece? And I was like no,

1:06:02

no, he goes, I lost the piece, lost

1:06:04

it? Yeah, how then do you lose? He

1:06:07

had it in a bag of his jewelry and his assistant

1:06:09

had or something from I don't remember

1:06:11

exactly, but they left it in a van at

1:06:13

a video shoot and it went back. But

1:06:15

it happens a lot, dude, and it's crazy, like you

1:06:18

know, y G super famale, Donald Trump

1:06:20

by I made him a piece the size

1:06:22

of a fucking iPad. He was the

1:06:24

first person I said, Bro, you're

1:06:26

young, you're a real as gangster,

1:06:28

You're a real affiliated fucking gangbanger.

1:06:31

You just got some paper, you got tooted and boot ITTs

1:06:33

hitting whatever. And you know, I didn't know because that was

1:06:36

the song. Listen. I just moved now and it's evolved

1:06:38

into like dope, super dope rap

1:06:40

shit. He's like one of the few people I really funk when he's on

1:06:42

the West too, and I'm like you sure you want

1:06:44

to drop this kind of money and chains, like yo, listen, man, shut the funk

1:06:46

up, bemballer man game my motherfucking chain and

1:06:48

like this dude had shot me out on stage and everything. I was like, oh,

1:06:50

I let's make the chain. So he

1:06:53

left his in a taxi I think, or something like

1:06:55

something crazy. I don't know, dude, you know, ship happens, man,

1:06:59

Yo, that's fucking crazy

1:07:01

man. All right, so number give me them

1:07:03

the third the third one, so you

1:07:05

said, Michael Jackson. Ship let school, Michael

1:07:07

Jackson. Michael Jackson. Now the

1:07:09

level of it hip hop wise was

1:07:12

not, They're

1:07:14

right, it was. Well. I made a few pieces

1:07:17

for him, a belt, everything else. Did he come see you or

1:07:19

does he send a guy? The story

1:07:21

about we're gonna get into about Michael Jackson right

1:07:23

now is the next level ship that no one's ever heard ever.

1:07:25

And the confidential agreement expired

1:07:28

like three years ago, so I can talk about this now.

1:07:30

This is crazy. So anyways, I

1:07:32

had to meet this dude three times.

1:07:34

One time I met him in Brentwood in a coffee

1:07:37

shop right off Samson. Yes,

1:07:39

his manager was one that set everything up. I meet

1:07:41

him there. I don't know why. Then I asked his Vietnam

1:07:44

mose dude who worked at the cafe that the Croissans, And

1:07:46

it was like fancy Brentwood ship, you know, like the Brentwood

1:07:48

thirty million dollar house area right, And

1:07:51

so I go out a man, do you know that

1:07:53

is right there? And he goes. He couldn't see Mike and

1:07:55

he's like yeah. I was like, who who is that? And he goes, does

1:07:57

Michael Jackson bent? How would you know he goes? Because

1:07:59

my comes here once in a while. And I was like,

1:08:02

bro, you know this is like two thousand

1:08:04

and eight, you know what I'm saying. Whatever, this is like a weird time. So

1:08:06

we talked about a few pieces. Now this is the crazy part,

1:08:08

exactly how far me and you are. That's

1:08:11

how far me and MJ were managers

1:08:13

here. I'd asked him something

1:08:16

and he talked to manage and speak to me in third person.

1:08:18

He wouldn't talk to me directly. He would talk to

1:08:20

him. Would you look at you? It? Maybe

1:08:23

glanced? Where was he looking? He was just

1:08:25

like looking into anywhere he was. He

1:08:27

was into a whole different, different, different space

1:08:30

zone. And whatever. I don't know. Now this is the crazy

1:08:32

part. My cousin dated

1:08:34

his nephew, So I've been the

1:08:36

Netherland before. Okay, now

1:08:39

this is the crazy part. I grew

1:08:41

up as a breakdancer. Okay, I was an extra

1:08:43

in the movie Breaking. I've been breakdancing almost

1:08:46

you know, I was like a heavy breakdancer. If

1:08:48

you're break dancing and you see that moonwalk

1:08:50

back when you know when it came to it, did you remember the fucking

1:08:52

seeing him moonwalk for the first time? Like, Bro, what

1:08:54

it did to me and everything and everything? Bro, I idolized

1:08:57

this dude. You know, it's a different level of

1:09:00

realization. Is Michael

1:09:02

Jackson and he's totally bugged out. He won't

1:09:04

even speak to you. And I'm accepting

1:09:06

it because it's Himchael Jackson.

1:09:09

And if Bieber ever talk to me like that, and that's my man.

1:09:11

No one could pull that off except for Michael Jackson

1:09:14

back Kobe, not Michael Jordan's

1:09:15

now Mike Tyson. Yeah, I'll pull be

1:09:17

written a headlock. You know, I'm sayings could do it.

1:09:20

And the thing is there's no security anywhere, even

1:09:22

though his manager is a pretty badass motherfucker. Like

1:09:24

Eastern European or Italian gangster dude. I

1:09:26

just there was so much respect that

1:09:29

you're shipping on me right now. I'm not gonna say a fucking

1:09:31

thing about it, all right. So we talked about

1:09:33

some stuff. No one knows the whole story.

1:09:36

He shows me a fucking unicorn a

1:09:40

crest and he goes to my logo, there's

1:09:42

m a j There was a unicorn there and it was like a

1:09:45

not a regular unicorn, and he goes, I want

1:09:47

this to be made with the

1:09:49

top rubies of rubies. So

1:09:51

I'm like rubies. I'm like,

1:09:53

no, this is where jeweler comes and jewelry one

1:09:55

on one comes in. I'm like, rubies, it's

1:09:58

just like two round. I was like maybe three and bucks

1:10:01

I care, you know, diamonds it could be a thousand, depending

1:10:03

on saying the smaller stones, you know. And I'm like, this is

1:10:05

gonna be a fucking breeze. This is gonna

1:10:07

be a breeze, right. So I

1:10:10

tell him all right, and I was like, what are you looking to spend?

1:10:13

Mind you of the time, everyone saying he's broke, he had no money, blah

1:10:15

blah, whatever. I made the joy for up to the until

1:10:17

he passed away. So I

1:10:20

had a budget of forty to make this brooch, and

1:10:22

I'm like, dude, I'm gonna murder this thing, right.

1:10:25

So I'm like, and I'm gonna make a crazy profit because this motherfucker

1:10:27

goes in and buys all kinds of Faberge

1:10:29

eggs and spends money. Don't give a funk. He just fox

1:10:32

off money, you know. So I go make this piece and I

1:10:34

bring it back like a week later, super fast,

1:10:36

and he's like, this is terrible. You

1:10:38

know what, I think this is a bad idea, he said.

1:10:41

Yeah, he said, this is awful. This is not what I wanted, blah blah

1:10:43

whatever. And to be honest with you, it didn't look very good.

1:10:45

But that's the art work he gave me. And

1:10:48

trying to get ahold of him and his manager and trying

1:10:50

to get like, you know, going back with proofs, you

1:10:52

know, like you find something like now, it's like, funk this. I take

1:10:54

it in my own initiative. You want a piece for me, brother, that's

1:10:57

what you're gonna get. You know, you already know this

1:10:59

is me in the game. Three years and

1:11:01

I've landed the god of all gods, right, and

1:11:04

this guy's shopping with like fucking graph you

1:11:06

know what I'm saying, and going to you know, Harry Winston meeting

1:11:08

the CEO and things like that, you know, going to fuck

1:11:11

into Saudi Arabia and like getting a gift

1:11:13

for twenty million dollars from from from from a chic.

1:11:16

So I convinced

1:11:18

them that I'm gonna use natural blue diamonds.

1:11:21

I'm gonna change it up, I'm gonna clean it up, I'm gonna make

1:11:23

it more detailed. And he goes, yeah, I don't like these little

1:11:25

small diamonds. Small diamonds, he means. Michael

1:11:27

says, it's like Pavey. This

1:11:29

is paves a bunch of small diamonds here, right, And

1:11:32

he's like, I don't like that. I need you to make it

1:11:34

with big diamonds. I'm you know, you know, you know who I

1:11:36

am. And I'm sitting and I was like, no, I mean I

1:11:38

made him say that to me, do you know what I mean? Like? Bro,

1:11:40

I made like, could you imagine if I'm Michael Jordan,

1:11:42

Like, yo, do you know what the funk I am? Like? When we're at a basketball

1:11:44

court of all places? Were you bugging out? When

1:11:47

he was like didn't like your ship. Nah,

1:11:50

I kind of felt like he gave me a bad,

1:11:53

bad blueprint, like you know what I mean, like this the

1:11:55

artwork was already did did he

1:11:57

have the Michael Jackson voice that the soft

1:11:59

ship or a lot of people talk about

1:12:01

meeting him? And then in realized it wasn't.

1:12:03

It wasn't like it was you know,

1:12:05

it was I heard this guy cuss, you know, a hundred

1:12:07

times, Like he cussed, he says some crazy shit. And

1:12:10

but was the voice softer? Was it more of a like

1:12:13

a little more base in it? It wasn't the fruity pebbles

1:12:15

a little more base in it, right, But

1:12:19

it wasn't like he didn't have fucking you know, he

1:12:21

didn't have Teddy Pendergrass's voice, you know. But

1:12:24

like I go back to the drawing board,

1:12:27

I make this piece and he

1:12:30

likes it. So I'm like, fucking amazing.

1:12:32

Now he wants a fifty carrot diamond buckle belt

1:12:35

buckle, and I'm like, this dude out of his fucking

1:12:37

mind. Better for me, right, So

1:12:39

he's renting this house on Sunset by like U c

1:12:41

l a like kind of like in that one area right

1:12:43

bell area, blah, blah, what holy hills or house

1:12:46

passed away? And right, so this house

1:12:48

is fucking enormous. Um, you go to the

1:12:50

house. On the last

1:12:52

time I ever saw him, I go to the house.

1:12:56

We started talking about a bunch of stuff. And

1:12:58

this is when I realized, Ben,

1:13:01

you're out of your league and you have

1:13:03

to just let him know you're out of your league. So,

1:13:05

because I'm looking for a diamond and

1:13:07

this diamond was like a forty seven Cara blue

1:13:10

diamond that was worth maybe like at the time, maybe like seven

1:13:12

million dollars and it was due to was only

1:13:14

was it beyond my prey grade and everything else. It was

1:13:16

so I was so out of my element that like it

1:13:18

was embarrassing because not some James

1:13:21

bonds. Yeah, this is really like

1:13:23

for real, Like could you imagine, like you back, y'all listen, um,

1:13:26

where are you going? Oh? You know, I'm gonna have lunch and do by them all

1:13:29

and then I'm gonna fly to Paris and I'm gonna slide

1:13:31

down the Eiffel Tower and then maybe I'm gonna go home, you

1:13:33

know, just crazy ship like that. It was like it didn't

1:13:35

make sense to me. So we had this conversation.

1:13:38

We're talking. He's in the middle of saying something

1:13:42

and he gets up again. This

1:13:44

is not talking to me. He

1:13:46

gets up off his couch and

1:13:48

he leaves in the middle of a conversation.

1:13:51

I'd say I thought we were about eight percent done

1:13:54

in our discussion. So he leaves,

1:13:56

So I sit back. Ten

1:13:59

minutes goes by. You're there by yourself at

1:14:01

this point in his house, you and Michael Jackson

1:14:03

and his manager's managering him. He gets

1:14:05

up, and his manager gets up, and so I figured out, like,

1:14:08

hold on, I'm gonna go get a drink. You don't say nothing.

1:14:10

She just gets up the conversations. Like I said,

1:14:12

we have to be another thing. There's twenty

1:14:15

left that we need to talk about. So and

1:14:17

it's the last time I ever saw him, by the way, So he

1:14:19

leaves. We're not done. And

1:14:23

twenty minutes goes by, and I'm

1:14:25

like, you know what, man, I'm

1:14:28

not gonna disrespect him, So I'm

1:14:30

just gonna chill. Forty

1:14:32

five minutes goes by, and I'm like, all right, funck this

1:14:34

ship, like, you know, not saying like funck him,

1:14:36

but like all right, dude, Like I need to figure out what's going on because

1:14:39

maybe something's wrong, maybe something's wrong in the house

1:14:41

based that's going on. So I get up, I start

1:14:43

walking around. I

1:14:45

never get lost. My geography

1:14:47

is insane. I'd be in China, fucking Korea,

1:14:50

Philippines. I know where I'm at. I

1:14:53

go through a wrong door. I don't know where

1:14:55

the funk I'm at. I run into

1:14:57

his chef and he goes,

1:14:59

hey, we're doing I was like, hey, uh, you've seen

1:15:01

him j And he goes, I haven't seen him Jay in week. And

1:15:04

I was like what And he goes, I don't seen m Jay

1:15:06

in a week. And he goes, um, who are you. I'm

1:15:08

Ben Baller. I'm a jeweler and he goes, oh, you're a

1:15:10

jewelers. You made jewelry. I was like yeah.

1:15:12

And this dude is like a regular, you

1:15:14

know, white dude whatever, and um, you

1:15:17

know he didn't have like a French actor or nothing or

1:15:19

anything, so you know, but I mean, he's he's his chefs. We

1:15:21

could you imagine how fucking ill this dudes. It's gotta

1:15:23

be the Illes dude. So

1:15:26

like I'm thinking in my brain, like this dude

1:15:28

like on some special ed ship, like I'm getting some alligators

1:15:30

to flay, you know, blah blah whatever.

1:15:33

So at that point, I've signed confidential

1:15:35

agreement, you know, so I could

1:15:38

ask this dude pretty much, and I felt confidences do anything

1:15:40

cause I can't talk about it right. So I'm like,

1:15:42

all right, man, you know, um,

1:15:45

you haven't seen him. And he goes, no, do this as a big house if

1:15:47

you haven't noticed as a very big house. You know, Um, I

1:15:49

haven't seen him, so you know. I was like, so,

1:15:51

you haven't cooked in a week, and he goes, no, I cook. There's

1:15:54

food always here and I cook every day. I was like, what's

1:15:57

the craziest thing you've ever cooked? From Michael Jackson.

1:16:00

I'm sorry, I just I just want to know. And he knows

1:16:02

the craziest thing. And

1:16:04

he's eating chips and he's like, by the way,

1:16:06

chips that he made, right, potatoes he made. He goes,

1:16:08

he goes, we're in Paris during

1:16:11

the Dangerous tour, and

1:16:14

um, I guess he rented out the entire penthouse. I don't

1:16:16

know what the hotel was rented out, the entire the entire

1:16:18

floor being broke.

1:16:20

I don't know if there are seventy five rooms on the floor. I don't know if there's

1:16:23

a hundred, but there's more than like fifteen rooms on the floor.

1:16:25

Rents the whole top floor because he want to be on the same floor.

1:16:28

And he said he was leaving to go to the

1:16:30

show to perform, and he

1:16:32

came out too me and he goes, I'm going

1:16:34

to be coming back at this time with

1:16:37

some guests, my little friends. So

1:16:40

I want you to make some gourmet chocolate easter

1:16:42

eggs. I want you to hide them all over the hotel and

1:16:44

we're gonna have Easter egg hunt. And

1:16:46

that was the fucking most bugged out should I ever heard of

1:16:49

my entire life, saying him saying his little friends,

1:16:51

because I don't

1:16:53

know and that that wasn't what I meant, But I'm just saying, like

1:16:55

that's what that was a verbatim what he said. But the

1:16:57

ill ship was you're a chef, right,

1:17:00

Michael Jackson chef? So if he says he wants a pizza, you gotta

1:17:02

have a pizza and ready to go on the fridge if you

1:17:04

have you want um kimchi,

1:17:07

got it ready to go right? Well, you know what today I want

1:17:09

to have Jamaican goat curry. Whatever do

1:17:11

you know what I'm trying to say to you, Like that this

1:17:13

this fridge, his fridge was bigger

1:17:16

than this room that we're in right now, no joke,

1:17:18

straight up, I grabbed the mountain dew out of that

1:17:20

bitch, all right. So like I'm thinking,

1:17:23

who has the gold foil at

1:17:25

seven pm or six pm or something in Paris to go?

1:17:27

But you had to obviously make it happen, Yeah,

1:17:30

and then make the fucking chocolate eggs right with a little

1:17:32

hollow inside to hide him around the That's just

1:17:34

some crazy ship. That's some crazy So just

1:17:36

because of the experience, MJ

1:17:38

gets top five regardless because who he is and everything else.

1:17:40

Of course, all right, number two more so

1:17:43

til the Creator. Um,

1:17:45

it's like, uh, what is his deal

1:17:48

in terms of like what's his fucking deal? Like

1:17:51

like a few years ago he came like I was like, oh, this guy

1:17:53

is bringing some new ship. I'm like, and then the music,

1:17:55

Like I respect him, I've met him.

1:17:57

He's a nicely but I'm like, what is this fucking

1:18:00

story, this title of the Creator? What is

1:18:02

what does he do? Like the kids

1:18:04

like his music? He brought this whole

1:18:06

thing in like because I think he's more

1:18:08

talented than his music has shown. He's

1:18:11

have you seen his videos, He's insane. He's an

1:18:13

unbelievable director. And yeah, he's like

1:18:15

he's like an artist where

1:18:17

the bangers at? All Right. I've known Tyler since

1:18:19

he was sixteen, all right, and

1:18:21

he he worked He

1:18:23

worked in the Diamond Store. You know, he worked at you know, Diamond

1:18:26

Supply, you know which which shout to my boy

1:18:28

Nick Diamond. Um. You know, he's on Fairfax.

1:18:30

He's one of the o G kids wanning on Fairfax, skateboarding

1:18:32

around and he created this collective you know, you

1:18:34

know, his his his his manager

1:18:37

and that runs his label and everything is

1:18:40

was Eminem's you know, artist

1:18:42

director you know at at back at Interscope

1:18:45

and Chris Clancy's amazing talented dude,

1:18:48

and they brought up this collective of future. You know, Tyler

1:18:50

had a vision and he's

1:18:52

super weird and anything else. But he's a genius. He's

1:18:55

brilliant a lot of ways. But at the same

1:18:58

time, I think he has four

1:19:00

albums our or three, I don't know exactly, but I'm gonna be real

1:19:02

with you. I might know like three songs and

1:19:04

a couple that I funk with, but not not really and

1:19:06

everything and he knows that and they'll do shows. I don't

1:19:08

go to a lot of shows with him, but something

1:19:11

about him, you know, he has a crazy following

1:19:13

and you know, like I think Oozy was spawned

1:19:16

from that and a lot of people, and he's sort of

1:19:18

like offbeat nerd,

1:19:20

whatever the funk you want to call it, like you know,

1:19:23

nerdier than like you know, like the Forreill

1:19:26

nerd, Like I can't even compare with for All because

1:19:28

for All is on a different level. But even like weirder than

1:19:30

Fishbone was back in the day when like music was that

1:19:32

he just was he was so it

1:19:35

was just crazy. I'm like, I don't know what the

1:19:37

funk it is. The thing about Tyler that I love is

1:19:39

that, Okay, he has a private account Instagram

1:19:42

account, he has a private Twitter account and even though that's

1:19:44

like a hundred thirty like listen that ship, like forty

1:19:46

five people follow it, right, and like he'll

1:19:48

really talk there and he really uses

1:19:50

it really well, and some of the ship he says

1:19:52

is amazing, Like I wish I could funk. It's fucking hilarious.

1:19:55

I won't speak about it, but it's hilarious.

1:19:57

So like, I don't try to understand

1:20:00

Tyler, but there's a lot of other sides of him that no

1:20:02

one would ever think, like since you would never think

1:20:04

that he owns McLarens and Ferrari's, and like he

1:20:06

likes that ship. And I'm a car connoisseur. If

1:20:08

it wasn't for as

1:20:11

Corny l a first world

1:20:13

this sounds. If it wasn't for my

1:20:15

Ferrari dealer, a mirror who

1:20:17

sold Austin Rivers his car. Me and Austin

1:20:19

Rivers are really good friends, he said, listen to this Austin

1:20:22

Rivers podcast about for and that's

1:20:24

where I found your podcast to

1:20:26

Austin Rivers. So like, you

1:20:28

know, like Tyler is just a car dude and whatever,

1:20:30

and like he loves music. I'm gonna

1:20:32

tell you this real quick. One of the first things

1:20:35

I respected was one you come on the

1:20:37

show, you break out and you have your

1:20:39

your your your breakbeats, you have your funky beat,

1:20:41

you have music, and I'm like, wow, you know what, I'm

1:20:43

gonna check Michael Rapport because one time I saw him

1:20:45

in Target about eleven years ago. Yeah,

1:20:48

and you're with your two kids. They're pretty young at the time,

1:20:50

and you were like, and if you're in your fucking you're

1:20:52

in your Danny ill and would you like, what the fun? Hey,

1:20:54

hey, how you doing? You looked at me, you made eye contract with Okay,

1:20:57

you fuck you? Yeah, I have a nice day. You know

1:20:59

you're you'rre tated. It could have been the cladus, could

1:21:01

have been the kids driving you crazy. I'm a dad, I get it.

1:21:03

And I was like, you know, boom I seeing zebra head. Bro think

1:21:06

I'm from I'm o g right, I've seen everything. You

1:21:08

know, I remember fucking your name wasn't tell me what

1:21:10

was it from? From uh? From u um

1:21:12

um remy

1:21:15

remy because from tell

1:21:18

us right. But so you know, I'm like, I'm

1:21:20

like partake soaking us all in and I'm like, listen,

1:21:23

I'm gonna check this dude when I get on this show one

1:21:25

day. And then hip

1:21:28

hop knowledge got me fucked up, and it sucked

1:21:30

me up pretty deep. And then it got deeper

1:21:32

and deeper, and I was like, Yo, this

1:21:35

dude is so in it now that he's

1:21:37

in it deeper than me. And then you brought j Rock

1:21:39

on the show and you're talking about someone in one of my comrades, A djaying

1:21:42

and it's like sex Live of the Sex Machine

1:21:44

is one of my favorite mix tapes here put out. Ever. Then

1:21:46

we got into basketball, and I love

1:21:49

when people trolling me and say you know the

1:21:52

basketball and like hate You know what

1:21:54

I'm saying, it is just getting onto where what

1:21:56

I'm getting at is is going to relate back to the whole

1:21:58

story. It's just a very big you turn and

1:22:00

it's like boom. And then you said the

1:22:02

name of all names that fucked

1:22:05

me up. You said Willie

1:22:07

Hutch the first time I heard your show,

1:22:09

and I'm like, you don't understand. One

1:22:11

of my first project, The Aftermath, when I was head of A and

1:22:14

R Aftermath Entertainment was we were

1:22:16

we got we booked the American Pip soundtrack.

1:22:19

So American Pimp was it was a huge Brothers

1:22:21

movie. Do you remember that? Course of course,

1:22:23

so they did American Pimp and Dr dre goes yo, let

1:22:26

me, let me, let me play you. The first song we got for the soundtrack

1:22:29

and it was the mac I choose you Willie

1:22:31

Hutch and he replayed the whole thing and I

1:22:33

was like, I

1:22:38

choose and I was like, oh

1:22:40

ship. I was like, what the funk and I was

1:22:42

like, and I was digging in the crates, heavy Royal

1:22:44

airs, Grover Washington. You know what I'm saying,

1:22:46

A blackbird Rock, Creek Park, you name it, boss

1:22:49

s, gags, anything you could think of funky I

1:22:51

was fucking with. So I'm like, Okay, I

1:22:54

thought that Michael was maybe partly autistic,

1:22:56

maybe partly retarded his dude as a genius. He

1:22:58

knows about Willie Hutch and then it went into it

1:23:01

right, So what I'm getting at is, I

1:23:03

would hear Tyler talk about crazy wear

1:23:05

music like beyond

1:23:08

like just Ramp and other funky ship

1:23:10

might be deeper than Bootsy Collin stuff. And

1:23:12

like I heard your pee Rock is a legend to

1:23:14

me. Do he might be one of my favorite producers ever

1:23:17

in history of ever. So like

1:23:19

yeah, so, like you know, when you hear Tyler, believe

1:23:21

it or not, he does respect that aspect

1:23:24

of the music and he puts his own twist

1:23:26

on it. And he's done a lot of things and honestly

1:23:28

tell the truth, when I hear some of the songs he's actually

1:23:30

wrapped on, like for instance, Frank Ocean when

1:23:32

he's on other people should I've heard him get

1:23:34

off and I heard a couple of his joints,

1:23:37

and I'm like, like, I heard him with a sap and then

1:23:39

there was one with it was it um

1:23:42

uh push your t and

1:23:44

with jay Z too with on the free album

1:23:47

on Biking and on Biking on the second course

1:23:50

my name is mentioned, Frank Ocean says,

1:23:52

you know, since ben Ball was sold, his life was losting

1:23:54

and when I hear even what Tyler's round about

1:23:56

them, I'm like, yo, I funk with this right and just hearing

1:23:58

the beat and some of the melodic you don't like music

1:24:01

and everything, I just get, I get talented,

1:24:03

But I'm like, I just but

1:24:05

with that said, I don't know what goes

1:24:08

on with the gothic weird ship. I'm like,

1:24:10

just like, so now he's a friend of mine and and

1:24:12

I feel the same way you do. So that lets

1:24:15

me tell you that I don't know, and I don't

1:24:17

try to anymore. You know, m

1:24:20

he's crazy, so going on, um,

1:24:24

you would never think someone like him would

1:24:26

like gaudy pieces of jewelry. So

1:24:29

I don't know if you know, but he loves to draw, so he draws

1:24:31

all his album covers, creates everything artistic

1:24:33

on his albums, are off. Anything was him, clothing

1:24:36

around, everything he designed himself. He's hands

1:24:38

on. He designs the craziest

1:24:40

show. I'm like, yo, this is the ugliest ship in the world,

1:24:42

and he goes, dude, just because you said that,

1:24:44

this is gonna be the best piece ever, because I don't

1:24:47

want you to like anything that I make. And

1:24:49

I'm like, all right, Tyler, you

1:24:51

finally have money to get a bemballer chain and we're gonna do

1:24:53

this. Now, We're gonna finally do this. I've known you a very long

1:24:55

time. You know you ten years of your life. Dude,

1:24:58

all right, let's go. And we

1:25:00

started making pieces and then I

1:25:02

see how the internet reacts and

1:25:04

then I look at it in a

1:25:07

autistic rain

1:25:09

Man type of view, and

1:25:11

I'm like, this is actually

1:25:14

pretty fucking dope because you drew

1:25:17

some seven third grade

1:25:19

crayon drawings and we turned

1:25:21

this ship into jewelry and it's

1:25:23

fucking it's dope.

1:25:24

What's this piece again? What is it? What is the visuals

1:25:26

of it? He has a cherry bomb piece. It looks

1:25:28

like a pussy face. Then he has this

1:25:31

golf cat that looks fucking nuts and the eyes

1:25:33

all fucked up with the crack diamond. I then

1:25:36

he has this crazy flower piece

1:25:38

that's different pieces, oh yeah,

1:25:40

but they're all together. And then and then I made

1:25:42

him the scum fuck flower boy piece, which

1:25:44

is like ten different links around

1:25:46

his neck and they all came together. And

1:25:49

when you hear fill In asap rocky,

1:25:51

I respect them because my sisters are high

1:25:53

fashion stylists. I respect that

1:25:55

they're trying to be other than just accessible

1:25:58

shipped to. Like they're not gonna rock if they was

1:26:00

two thousand one. They're not rocking foo boo

1:26:02

and fucking They're

1:26:04

they're trying to go further. That's unreachable

1:26:06

from dudes, right, the happy meeting between rappers

1:26:09

is supreme. You know you rock supreme, you're cool.

1:26:11

But then when you start going a deal and product and fucking

1:26:14

you know, Rick Owens as a different levels outreach,

1:26:16

it's not reachable to the average dude. So

1:26:18

when those dudes are be like, yo, that

1:26:21

change you made, Tyler, I'm

1:26:23

not you think so for real? And I'm

1:26:25

like the craftsmanship okay,

1:26:28

but you like the actual concept of thing like Ben

1:26:30

and She is fire And I'm like, all right, let

1:26:32

me redirect myself into Charlie Babbitt and

1:26:34

let me think about this whole thing, like all right, you know, no,

1:26:36

this is this is dope. And after I

1:26:39

started to absorb all this, and I

1:26:41

guess maybe I know him so long, I just kind

1:26:43

of be like, all right, you know, my wife thinks he's hilarious,

1:26:45

and he chose me more than anybody there's I

1:26:47

have maybe fifty videos of him trolling me and everything,

1:26:49

just you know, we know each other and he's like, you know, but at

1:26:51

the same time, he's

1:26:54

the kind of guy that come to one of my dinners,

1:26:56

like forty people for like another dinner. I haven't

1:26:58

been invited to. This is to fucking energy. Mentioned

1:27:01

I didn't get a fucking invite over here. And

1:27:04

he won't speak to anyone. He won't say

1:27:07

a fucking word. It's hard not to talk

1:27:09

for you know, two hours whatever, or talked

1:27:11

to himself, and he's just like he's just he's just

1:27:13

not comfortable. He's like he's like, emin I'm in a way, you know, in

1:27:15

public. So going on his jewelry

1:27:17

is definitely, you know, up there with with with the dopest

1:27:20

ship I made um

1:27:22

to go to the fifth. It's tough because

1:27:25

there's so many pieces that I love and

1:27:28

we're talking about celebrities now, but

1:27:30

I'll say this. I retired

1:27:33

in October two thousand and sixteen because I was so

1:27:35

sick of making jewelry and I was so sick of all the

1:27:37

bullshit and I hated where mumble rapping all this ship

1:27:39

was going to join me crazy. I think it gave me fucking

1:27:41

gasid game. It just made me sick and I

1:27:43

can't stand hearing yeah

1:27:46

yeah, yeah yeah, And I'm like that's sixteen

1:27:48

bars right there. You said yeah, And I'm

1:27:50

like, yo, bro, Like what fucking label

1:27:53

cleared this fucking song? So

1:27:55

going on. I retired in

1:27:58

December. Sat Fur gets me up and he's like, yo,

1:28:02

listen, it's time and I was like, it's not time

1:28:04

because I'm done. He goes, no, listen, my boy.

1:28:06

I followed you on my Space when

1:28:09

my homeboys gave you an art piece, we started going

1:28:11

deep. He's like, this is before a side male was

1:28:13

even created. Right. I know

1:28:15

about your history. I know you and Dame Dash

1:28:17

walk with each other heavy way back in the day. He

1:28:19

was part of the Rockefell like o G family blah

1:28:21

blah, and it's Harlem you know. He's like, bro, it's

1:28:24

Yam's Day on January six whatever,

1:28:27

and I was like okay, and he goes, I need

1:28:29

to make this piece. He sends me this Yamborghini

1:28:31

piece which is Lamborghini yoga but asap Yams

1:28:34

bowl on there. And I'm like, yo, do

1:28:37

you for I'm not trying to count

1:28:39

your pockets and I don't want to disrespect you. Do

1:28:42

you have any idea what this is gonna cost? And

1:28:44

he goes, all right, check this out be I

1:28:47

want the Arams link to go around it full

1:28:49

the ice dot. I was like, okay, for

1:28:51

tell me you got something coming out? Like yeah, are you doing

1:28:53

that? He goes baller, I Gottadidas

1:28:55

collapse, I got this, this and this he was shown me. And it was

1:28:57

like, yo, bro, I'm good. We're good to

1:29:00

pay for it, not just to pay for it, but I don't want it

1:29:02

to be like yo, you know, be on some And

1:29:05

he goes baller and he showed

1:29:07

me a couple of comps and I was

1:29:09

like, damn, fam, I'm proud of

1:29:11

you. You know you're smart, you know you have your own thing going on.

1:29:14

You're not relying on anybody to help you out. You know, you

1:29:16

don't use like you know, your party, sat mom, but you you're

1:29:18

doing your thing and everyone is moving and

1:29:20

and you know, I'm down with the crew really heavy and

1:29:22

this is a big thing. And he goes, you can't tell Rocky.

1:29:26

Me and Rocky own a clothing brand together. We own a kid's

1:29:28

clothing brand together. Like I tell Rocky everything

1:29:31

that's going on, excuse me, And I'm

1:29:33

like, okay, I retired from jewelry.

1:29:36

Rocky's upset at me. Tyler is telling

1:29:38

me I'm fucking I'm gay right, and

1:29:40

that everyone's being like, yo, you're fucking tripping

1:29:42

right, Like you gotta make me a poos and make my pieces, you know, blah blah.

1:29:45

I'm like, bro, it's not that deep, dude, Go fucking find

1:29:47

Jacob, go find someone else, you know, and

1:29:49

for hits me with all this ship and

1:29:52

I'm like, all right, you're right, you right, you right. So

1:29:54

I started doing sketches, started executing, and I tell

1:29:56

him the prices of listen, bro, I need the first

1:29:58

half right now before I start anything.

1:30:01

That's standard. His Jewish

1:30:03

accountant, you know, money manager, sends

1:30:05

me the first half fucking in the hour.

1:30:07

I was like, that was the fastest motherfucking wire next

1:30:10

John Mayor, I've ever had bro so

1:30:12

you when you're doing like these big ones, Like if let's

1:30:14

just say I'm just throwing out a number, let's just say

1:30:16

it's fifty dollars, you need

1:30:18

twenty five up front for

1:30:20

the bigger numbers, if it's like a new

1:30:22

wrapper. I don't know, I need forty up front of

1:30:25

the forty of the fifties. Yeah, because because they're gonna

1:30:27

sunk around and play game and try and try to

1:30:29

push, like making the fucking thing, and you

1:30:31

gotta put all my money into it. You know, I'm already putting

1:30:34

my money in that standard though you give half, but

1:30:36

a lot of jewelers are getting fun left and right.

1:30:38

Dude, there's so much do we gotta do a part two of this interview?

1:30:40

But you know, for gives me the first half.

1:30:42

I got you and this was a heavy.

1:30:45

So then we go over budget and

1:30:48

my cousin goes, what are we gonna do? When I was like, Bro, the

1:30:51

fact that you've been asking me that. I was like, you're gonna eat the other

1:30:53

part, and he goes, wenna eat the part because I retired,

1:30:56

And we don't eat unless I get

1:30:58

in here, so I'm gonna play then you know,

1:31:00

the Kobe Ship, and I'm coming back to the team

1:31:02

and we're gonna do this ship the right way. So

1:31:05

in January sixteenth they get to New York City. It

1:31:07

was the day before or the day M's

1:31:09

day. I post picture of Jordan

1:31:11

by the way. I love Jordan, I'm

1:31:13

a fan of his. I don't really funk with Jordan

1:31:15

so heavy. I'm Maggic Johnson, you know, blankers to them till I

1:31:17

die. But I posted the forty five

1:31:20

him walking on the car Asti and

1:31:22

people are like, what the fuck for likes the picture?

1:31:25

Blah blah. No one knows what's going on. In fact, don't

1:31:27

even know if I'm making jewelry again now.

1:31:29

October, November,

1:31:32

December, January three months agne by, I made

1:31:34

no pieces and I go in there

1:31:36

boom. I retired pretty much on Oozy's pieces

1:31:38

first one. So I come back with that and

1:31:41

I bust out the a Sap fucking yams Yamborghini

1:31:44

piece and he goes, we're going in the studio.

1:31:46

I'm gonna make this song called Plaine Jane right,

1:31:49

and he records a song and I was like, oh, it's

1:31:51

dope, dude. Literally, that was my exact

1:31:53

reaction. I was like, that's fucking dope. Do I appreciate him?

1:31:55

That's that's fucking dope. You know. Yeah.

1:31:59

I was like, all right, cool, now, remember this is January, February.

1:32:01

Okay. Now March

1:32:05

comes around and I think he releases the song, and

1:32:07

I'm like, okay, cool, some people playing hey man, the interes

1:32:09

saying oh yeah, cool you n's my name? Like June,

1:32:12

July comes around and starts

1:32:14

playing a lot. Then like August

1:32:16

comes around, it's the number one club song and the entire fucking

1:32:18

world, not just and

1:32:21

then December comes around. Now

1:32:23

it's the biggest pop song. Now it's not even sucking hipp

1:32:26

It's like, I'm like, yo, he's like Ben that he mentions

1:32:29

your name eleven times in the song. You know. It's like Bemballa

1:32:31

did the chain. It's in the course the brest part. There

1:32:34

are people singing it don't even know who the funk I am,

1:32:36

right, They just know I made the chain. What chain? They don't know what's

1:32:38

going on, right, And it gets so big it created

1:32:40

this viral thing where people start signing

1:32:42

their credit card bills Bemballa did the chain

1:32:45

and it's all over the place, and I'm like, yo, and

1:32:47

I look at Furgin Fergs like, motherfucker, you owe me.

1:32:49

I'm like, oh, fuck you, you you owe me. We should

1:32:51

have fucking trademarked this ship because it's being said,

1:32:54

dude, I heard Sports Center announcers, you know, stand

1:32:56

every stand very whatever. He said it, Bemballa

1:32:58

did the chain over just things like that, you know whatever.

1:33:01

Or um let's say like the NBA player I forgot

1:33:04

Jesus Christ. I'm so bad because you talking

1:33:06

about how many young guys are on the NBA now and everything

1:33:08

else. And it's not Clarkson or anybody I

1:33:10

know that that's been on the Lakers, but like a lot of the

1:33:12

other yokies, a lot of the rookies I don't really know besides

1:33:14

like Mitchell, some other people. You know, what's

1:33:16

the dude's name that on Philly that didn't play

1:33:18

in you know, not Mark?

1:33:22

Yeah, yeah, they had a few. Mother. What I'm saying is, you

1:33:24

know, there's so many people the NBA you know so much about this, and

1:33:26

I haven't followed up. And I'm a dad, I'm washed up,

1:33:28

you know. And it's like he said someone's

1:33:30

name, like, for instance, like Joel is the name Pam

1:33:32

Paula did the chain and I was like, get

1:33:35

the fuck out of here. Bro, my name is

1:33:37

said on Sports Center for the first time ever

1:33:39

since when I played

1:33:41

ball and twenty one players

1:33:43

with an ineligible on my team and I got my first chance

1:33:46

of playing against some pt right. I never heard

1:33:48

my name in fucking you know, thirty years or whatever it

1:33:50

may be, twenty eight years. So you

1:33:52

know, that ship with Ferg put

1:33:55

me to a whole another level. I hate to say, what

1:33:57

person did you did? You? Did you can? So? Are

1:33:59

you continue to do jewelry from that? Or

1:34:01

yeah? That that's when I went. That's when. So that

1:34:04

January I turned into a fucking

1:34:06

animal. Two thousand and seventeen, I'm

1:34:08

forty four years old, and it was the biggest

1:34:11

year of my career, in my life of anything,

1:34:14

the biggest. I have my daughter

1:34:16

coming in that year, my my my fucking third child,

1:34:18

dog, the highest grossing year

1:34:20

I've ever made on top of that High Piece

1:34:22

does High Piece one hundred list, it's

1:34:25

like basically the most influential

1:34:27

hundred people on earth. And

1:34:30

for five years I pulled the Michael Robport,

1:34:32

and I said, are You're really not gonna put me on this fucking

1:34:34

list? You piece of ships for like in two thousand

1:34:36

and fourteen number the CEO and owner

1:34:39

of High Piece a letter. I was like, really,

1:34:41

bro, you put this during the list? You know I didn't. He's like,

1:34:43

yeah, that's what you did back in the past. What did you do this year?

1:34:46

And I was like, oh, you're a motherfucker. And

1:34:48

then six hand and make seventeen. I

1:34:50

get the fucking call. You got it? Yeah,

1:34:52

I got it? You know. In seventeen was a great year. And tell

1:34:54

you the truth, I loved ending the top five

1:34:56

on being forks Piece, you know, and it's just it's

1:34:58

just been a great year. And now this year, you

1:35:00

know, um, I'm shooting a show with CNBC

1:35:03

right now. Um I see executive producing

1:35:05

it. He's what it's

1:35:07

called American Hustler, shooting the pilot

1:35:10

like next month, you know, and it's like it got

1:35:12

greenlit for the pilot from their boom. We see

1:35:14

who we go. Now I'm on network because before

1:35:16

my reality show was on fused small

1:35:18

fucking TV channels, and

1:35:20

um, I just got a lot going on, you know, I you

1:35:23

know, a year and a half ago, I had eleven

1:35:25

employees, only did music, I mean, only did jewelry.

1:35:28

Now I have two seventeen employees I own. I own

1:35:30

a cannabis you know company I

1:35:33

have, you know, my clothing brand with with Asad

1:35:35

Rocky. We were in debt two million

1:35:37

dollars a year and a half ago. Now we've

1:35:39

got a debt and weren't positive. So how do

1:35:41

you how do you make money?

1:35:43

Like you you obviously understand business

1:35:46

you have, you have taste all that stuff, but like

1:35:48

you know, like like fucking these businesses,

1:35:51

cannabis, jewelry, clothing companies,

1:35:54

Well how does it make money? Like? I don't understand

1:35:56

all any of that ship? Okay, so let me let me explain

1:35:58

this too real quick shout

1:36:01

out to Luton's or Halls cough drops because

1:36:03

I need a sponsor. Yeah, I

1:36:06

need a fucking spots you

1:36:08

do you do? I didn't think about

1:36:10

that. If they could cure me, they should be like

1:36:13

remember that cough that I used to do every time on the

1:36:15

podcast. This is how it fixes your ship,

1:36:17

bro, And then you'd fucking you'd

1:36:19

make the money. So going on, when

1:36:23

I got into the cannabis game, never

1:36:26

in a million fucking years. In

1:36:28

my wildest dreams, did

1:36:30

I ever think it was gonna retire me? Now,

1:36:36

who makes money in the first year of a company,

1:36:38

a new company under a

1:36:40

parent company, let alone some

1:36:42

dudes who kind of looked up to me, I don't want to say they idolize

1:36:45

me. They looked up to me as like, you know, I'm an

1:36:47

Asian. You know, um, I played

1:36:49

ball, you know, I hang out with rappers

1:36:51

and I do a lot of ship that not many. You

1:36:53

know, start to what Asians do? You know? Before Gin and

1:36:55

before anybody? You know, my idols are Bruce Lee

1:36:58

coming up. You know, there's no one else, And it's like it

1:37:00

for me to look for anyone Asian. Now, to look up to anyone who's

1:37:02

the new martial arts is a big deal right now, I got

1:37:04

you. So these dudes were doing weed illegally

1:37:06

back in the day. Come

1:37:08

to find out later these guys own like fifty sixty

1:37:10

million dollars in real estate. You know, they're killing it. It's cannabis

1:37:12

wise and like, hey, listen, you gave us a shout

1:37:15

out on one of one of our items, and I was like, okay,

1:37:17

cool, you told me I want to show you love on my page and

1:37:19

I got two million follows across my board,

1:37:21

all verified, and he's like, bro,

1:37:24

we got so many fucking emails after you did that. Would

1:37:27

you ever want to do a partnership? You

1:37:29

know? I get my attorney involved. He's like, yo, listen, man,

1:37:31

this is gonna be cutting dry. Let's get you

1:37:33

in there. You're putting no money up front. You're

1:37:35

gonna push this brand. You're gonna be the mascot, You're gonna

1:37:38

be the brand ambassador and the face of the brand.

1:37:40

And you're gonna own not

1:37:42

well majority technically, but there's three partners

1:37:45

and what I'm saying, whatever, but your own you know, altogether, they could

1:37:47

go against you. Whatever. But boom.

1:37:49

So three months into this cannabis

1:37:51

company, I get

1:37:53

a check and I'm like, come

1:37:56

on, man. It wasn't the biggest

1:37:59

check, but it was. It was a car

1:38:01

check. And I was like, all right, all

1:38:03

right, this is crazy from we Yeah.

1:38:05

Then I was like, all right, five months in boom

1:38:09

then all of a sudden, out

1:38:11

of nowhere, high

1:38:13

seven figure check. We're in the millions now,

1:38:16

and I'm like, bro, it hasn't been a year

1:38:18

yet. What's the name of this company VVS

1:38:21

VVS pens VVS, and I incorporated

1:38:24

my jewelry. VVS is the highest clarity

1:38:26

diamond underneath the flawless, flawless

1:38:28

beaning like Jordan's

1:38:30

lebron And why the funk

1:38:32

they didn't say that? I hate that motherfucker got money.

1:38:34

Jordan, Kobe and

1:38:37

Maggie Johnson right right, bird

1:38:41

too. Let's say they don't really exist. You

1:38:43

know, even Russell Westbrook's a beast,

1:38:45

right, but you

1:38:47

might see another rest of you might not see another Kobe. And

1:38:50

you know um VVS

1:38:53

is pretty much Russell

1:38:55

Westbrook, you know, Kevin Durant something

1:38:57

like that, the best there is but out

1:39:00

being flawless, you know. So I incorporated

1:39:02

my jewelry into making these discrete

1:39:04

brands. And I don't want to say it because I want put me

1:39:06

on blast. But like you know, it's legal here. You're

1:39:09

twenty one over and you can smoke anywhere. But still some

1:39:11

people looking in a negative way. It's helped

1:39:13

a lot of people. I've had so many people who

1:39:15

family had cancers and

1:39:17

they called me, hey, bank, give me some CBDCs, some pans,

1:39:19

blah. But we do all kinds of products, but our products

1:39:21

look like jewelry. Our pens are like really

1:39:24

shiny rolls, gold yellow goal. I banked

1:39:26

off of being a jeweler and pushed

1:39:28

these out. So at

1:39:30

a certain point we started

1:39:32

selling three thousand pens a day. My pens

1:39:34

are forty to sixty bucks retail three

1:39:37

thousand times listens. So

1:39:39

I'm moving over a hundred twenty

1:39:41

five thousand pens a month. Now, if you do the

1:39:43

numbers, you know you're talking about four or five

1:39:45

million dollars retail a month. Okay, it's

1:39:48

insane. And we haven't disguised the service because

1:39:50

we just we launched Oregon next month because Oregon's also

1:39:52

rec state. Right, Mike,

1:39:55

you don't understand when if Jeff

1:39:57

Sessions, he gets to get his head out of his ass, right, because

1:40:00

we've now created billions of dollars.

1:40:02

This is our first year wreck. Colorado

1:40:04

has been wreck. You know, Washington State has been wreck.

1:40:07

We're going to Washington. Colorado.

1:40:10

The first year they became wreck, they

1:40:12

raised a billion in taxes for the for the state.

1:40:15

Okay, we did a billion in the

1:40:17

first month in California, Cana of Colorado

1:40:19

and ship. Imagine how big California is. Right,

1:40:21

So, like Jeff Sessions is trying to funk with us.

1:40:23

Trump is sunk with us. Bro I don't give a funk when

1:40:25

anyone says it's not gonna they can't stop it. It's too

1:40:27

big. California is too crazy, right.

1:40:29

So with that said, just

1:40:32

recently, about a month ago, I heard that fifty

1:40:35

state federally legal weed is about

1:40:37

to happen, not as soon as

1:40:39

five years. I hope I'm not in the game. In

1:40:41

five years. I want to sell my company. Ha ha ha ha.

1:40:44

If this just to give you an idea what I'm talking about,

1:40:46

if it becomes federally legal,

1:40:48

because I can't legally go to New York and sell my VVS

1:40:51

pens. Oh no, I'm sorry, that's illegal anyway.

1:40:53

I can't go to New

1:40:56

Jersey, which is a medicinally legal state, not re

1:40:58

great. I can't go there and sell my pens

1:41:00

because the cultivation, the extraction,

1:41:03

and the factory of where the weed was grown was not

1:41:05

in New Jersey state. I could only sell

1:41:07

in California, even though Nevada's

1:41:09

neighboring state. They have it all sorts of rules

1:41:11

and regulations. How it gets

1:41:13

here and it drives here is some crazy ship. If

1:41:16

I drive to Oregon with the thing. Now I've

1:41:18

done a federal it gets even though if I

1:41:20

put the ready for

1:41:22

this, if I FedEx my mom

1:41:24

in Santa Monica, a fucking

1:41:26

a pen of mine using

1:41:29

FedEx from from downtown l A to

1:41:31

Santa Monica, as soon as it touched