A NOTE FROM JASON:

Hi there.  Ready to get prepped for another clinical interview with Ron and Chakaher?  Well, this is the place.

What you're about to hear is a conversation with my producer, Margaret Martin. You will recognize Margaret from a couple of episodes back, she's a wonderful PACT 3 therapists out of Austin, Texas,

In this episode, Margaret helps me to get ready for my follow-up interview with Ron and Chakahier. They are a couple out of Alabama. They have been married 33 years and have vibrant lives, however, inside their home they've drifted apart.

Margaret's going to me set to sit with the natural vicissitudes of a couple who has drifted apart by helping them be in the room together as they navigate being close and then drifting apart.

Margaret does a great job of sparking curiosity inside of me. I'm going to then turn around, in the coming up episode, and spark curiosity inside of Ron and Chakahier. Thank you so much for tuning-in.  JB

ABOUT SEASON 2 of HUMAN NURTURE:

Hosted by Jason Brand, LCSW a practicing couples therapist in Berkeley, California.  

In Season 2 of Human Nurture we will cover PACT in Training.  PACT stands for a Psychobiological Approach to Couples Therapy and has a reputation for effectively helping the most challenging situations that come up between couples.  

This season, we will answer the question, "How does a couples therapist learn to help with THAT?!?"  

"THAT?!?" could be any challenge that a couple brings into counseling-- from infidelity, to arguments about money, to processing past trauma, to decisions about the health and well being of a child. 

This season gives an insider's view to the world of couples therapy through interviews with actual couples and consultation interviews with other expert PACT therapists.  If you are a couples therapist looking to sharpen your skills, or if you are just curious about how couples therapists learn to do their job, tune into this season of Human Nurture.