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About leaker. I

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is no. You

1:19

play to win the game. Plan

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A. Welcome

1:33

back to House of the

1:35

Dragon! Two electric blue collar

1:37

I'm years Anthony. This. Week

1:40

we are real area in

1:42

an episode of Double Dragon.

1:44

This is the Rogue Prince.

1:46

Season. One episode to of House

1:48

with the dragon. King.

2:01

Love Train set. It.

2:06

To this is really into this train set.

2:11

Thank God for Model Wester Ross. Do

2:16

think. When. They invent changes

2:18

gonna like it more or less. Oh

2:20

well, that's the question Right Where your

2:22

word for his Did trains replace the

2:24

dragons of your other dragons? Going to

2:27

decline the and true and it seems

2:29

the me like if you add trains

2:31

to that train said it would actually

2:33

improve it all. Right now it's I.

2:37

The. Doing they ran a mean of

2:39

like a Rube Goldberg. The mice were oh

2:41

in, Do it. He's just so excited about

2:43

it. I think this is like that that

2:46

might be one of them are underrated. Parts

2:48

of like. You're

2:50

trying to figure out is

2:52

is is he received an

2:54

apt Erie Canal is the

2:57

okay. Is

2:59

this moment like they're having a semi?

3:01

I have a hobby, I appreciate autos

3:04

then he has his daughter and to

3:06

check on him but I think he

3:08

needs to have like around the clock

3:10

people. second up speed. gotta see needs

3:12

come in in to watch him play

3:15

with the train set without any trains.

3:17

Oh no I grew up my dragon.

3:24

To throws himself on the couch

3:27

news. At. All

3:31

right Steve, I have identified. Five.

3:34

Storylines. I

3:36

just thought we'd We'd. Do. More

3:39

to discover all of the storyline

3:41

Sweaty Things. As. They

3:44

you're saying well we should do

3:47

is in this review of the

3:49

Television Show Review: The Television Show

3:52

in it's entirety. It's a New.

3:55

New. Thing for us, but I think we should try it

3:57

at least once. Or and

3:59

well, the good news. The I was awake

4:01

through the whole upset no new

4:03

like I have a really good

4:05

shot at work and even and

4:07

even even higher level in Lhasa.

4:09

Way to go Granddad. To

4:13

however I did watch it like an hour

4:15

at. Ah

4:19

oh yeah. well as nine. The

4:21

I was I was running puntland. Ah,

4:24

of course, get that's that's Sunday Conflict

4:26

valid. But the punchline thing is kind

4:28

of like my My Game of Thrones

4:30

And right, because you know of and

4:33

I'm I'm the one who decides who

4:35

goes up and who doesn't. well year

4:37

kings Osiris. Sort of like you're a

4:40

little bit passive. Me: sometimes yellow too

4:42

passive, right? Did you got yourself? Did

4:44

you pick yourself up. I

4:46

did up on my cell. See, this

4:48

is the problem you year. You sit

4:50

in the corner with your broken dragon

4:53

figurines and you're not. You're not seeing

4:55

the power when it's there to be

4:57

seized. But here's a

4:59

thing as a matter where I walk around the

5:01

room and this just like everybody bend the knee

5:03

like they're doing the opposite way if that's what

5:05

they do. A yet they're giving the states time.

5:07

See, this has been talking the mountain set a

5:09

thing as I give them the crumbs. This

5:13

is how you view it every one

5:15

second behind your back. Same for his

5:17

calf items out charges get most ice

5:19

time everybody wants me. Either way, whether

5:21

the same time it's like someone get

5:24

us there. It's

5:26

alright. so as heavy as the

5:28

head that wears the blonde wix.

5:32

I've got five soylent in. The first

5:34

one is the kings marriage. So

5:38

Kings Osiris is getting pressure

5:40

from all sides to remarry.

5:43

His. Relationship with Allison seems

5:45

to have come to a

5:47

more intimate albeit what Onyx

5:49

stage. The. Sears

5:51

seems to consider marrying a twelve

5:54

year olds. Lot. Leaner

5:56

Lane at Lena Lama. Lena

6:02

Valerian Everyone who speaks up seems to

6:04

think that this is the best course

6:06

of action. The King decided against it.

6:09

And. Announces his marriage to Allison's.

6:12

All. Except auto. Are

6:14

unhappy. Bad choice. See.

6:16

Where you get enough maggots near life. I'm

6:20

glad you brought that up. A

6:23

So with the last time you came

6:25

into contact with my as I feel

6:27

like I'm I'm to. I gave a

6:29

piece a moldy salami the other day.

6:32

Oh, I basically gagged for the next

6:34

fourteen hours. I. Grinned good taste

6:36

out of my mouth and. I.

6:39

Don't know the last time I touched a

6:42

maggot I am I don't have an atomic

6:44

touch them A and I know they were

6:46

maggots on any of my house because our

6:48

that one of our pipes that the garbage

6:50

disposal pipe specifically had like corroded and so

6:53

was he has no me hyped mag in.

6:57

Those just dumping. Stuff.

6:59

Under the House and the and

7:01

and and that. Seem.

7:03

To attract maggots finance outlets Fix? They're not

7:06

that they really aren't that many seen them.

7:08

You look at em, you just think that.

7:11

I mean that vision scare or

7:13

gross at any one. but the

7:15

given not jumping maggots trying. To

7:19

be something of value, those are the screaming

7:21

maggots. I'm in the discussed. That

7:23

it just wriggling wire and I are they sell

7:25

their at us why are they so guess. Ah,

7:30

I. Mean, I don't get grossed out by a worm if

7:32

I see a worm is fine as I guess is the

7:34

worm. Been aiming a is a maggot. All that different than

7:36

a warm. It's funny cause they maggots

7:38

gonna turn into a flyer and. Yes,

7:41

And then the flies in a buggy bother

7:43

you. Surrogate. mean i am

7:45

a little grossed out yeah it's a little girl

7:47

sizer them i mean it's about grossing see him

7:49

on the potato salad gazzetta seems to be routes

7:52

defiance and that to so i don't i don't

7:54

like it and unlikely that they you know and

7:56

late may rub their hands when they look at

7:58

you like it's that's pretty menacing And

8:01

I think they're hatching a plan. Yeah, exactly

8:03

and like and in such a way that

8:05

is like they want you to know they

8:07

are I mean, that's like the insect equivalent

8:10

of like twirling their own mustache Right,

8:13

of course, but the man thing

8:15

is a maggot is like the least

8:19

Menacing fly right? It's not I mean they just

8:21

they don't even seem they almost look more like

8:23

an optical illusion Right, like they just sort of

8:26

wriggle amongst themselves If

8:28

anything if I was a maggot I'd be

8:30

more grossed out by maggots because I know

8:32

I'm gonna be amongst more maggots and they're

8:34

gonna be all over me Yeah, famously. This

8:36

is probably the scariest scene from the Lost

8:38

Boys, right? Oh, yeah, wasn't the vampires It

8:40

was the maggots right what he did.

8:42

He was eating them. That was a part of it,

8:45

right? Yeah, but was that the illusion or not? Yeah,

8:49

I never clear on that The

8:51

funny thing. Yeah, I mean I don't even though

8:53

we're discussing it now I don't think I'm gonna convince

8:55

myself that maggots are fine Yeah,

8:58

they're gross. I don't know why they're so gross.

9:00

They're just totally gross Yeah,

9:02

they're they're like amongst the worst Now

9:14

we are 10 minutes into this podcast

9:16

we've covered nothing Trains

9:21

You wanted to cover all the storylines

9:23

and we're out of time kids tune

9:26

in next week I Just

9:28

want to cover the most irrelevant elements

9:31

of every storyline But the thing

9:33

is is there but yeah, I don't know. I mean

9:35

they're irrelevant, but they're not I mean they

9:37

were very Captivated right? I mean

9:39

it obviously we're trying to the maggot scene

9:42

brings you to a certain time Like what

9:44

is it about this guy that he'd every

9:46

single time he gets cut it just he's

9:48

got a cut off his body part Or

9:50

something like I know the whole time just

9:52

like so this is I've got Michael a

9:54

wonderful little nickname for him Here is King

9:56

scabby Patty It's

10:01

just just just so simple where

10:03

it's just like it's like everyone gets together.

10:05

It's like alright, let's Dip

10:08

his finger in maggots man.

10:10

Is this the most high? High

10:12

most high main just stick him in the room

10:14

with the train set man to stick him in

10:16

work But that's where he's cutting

10:18

himself So,

10:23

all right, let's talk about the King's marriage Six

10:26

months six months out from from

10:28

this initial I

10:31

guess c-section. That's the other

10:33

thing this episode had zero c-sections Yeah,

10:36

finally So

10:39

so six months out but you got to figure

10:41

this is in like what Westeros Years,

10:44

right? So, I don't know what

10:46

the lifespan is of a person six months is

10:48

probably like closer like a year and a half

10:50

Yeah, I would think given given given the fact

10:52

that even the king has to dip his hand

10:54

in maggots. Mm-hmm Just to keep a finger. This

10:57

is a wonderful. Would you rather? Would

10:59

you rather lose a finger or

11:01

half the soak in palm olive? made

11:05

of maggots So he's been

11:07

staring at his empty train set for almost

11:10

a year and a half by Westeros you standards,

11:12

right? According to

11:14

my conversion scale and

11:16

he's getting pressured to remarry which you know,

11:18

it's he's the king You

11:20

know, he he's got an heir but

11:23

clearly people aren't happy with the heir

11:25

he chose, right? and so

11:28

the suggestion is is that he is gonna

11:31

marry a 12

11:35

year old who looks like an eight-year-old So

11:38

again playing a different game of would you

11:40

rather? They

11:43

had to find a wife young enough to

11:45

enjoy a train set without train I

11:49

love the idea that she's just marrying him for the doll, huh?

11:51

I Tell

11:55

you what man It

11:58

takes a lot to gross me out. I

12:00

mean I it takes up especially with the

12:02

money. Went with it with a when maggots

12:04

as like maybe third. It's

12:07

like Game of Thrones is in a

12:09

torture and and says and all this

12:12

stuff but I'll tell you what them

12:14

him walking through the garden. And.

12:17

Just talking with that little girl.

12:20

And everyone's watching. Be

12:23

a great honor to selling

12:25

our house as they weren't

12:27

alone I was just many

12:29

children as tears alarming love

12:31

set up real nice. Thanks

12:33

Anyway alone on around. Is

12:36

that what your father taught? It's. What

12:43

did your mother to? I

12:46

would a skull thousand and how I. Can Social.

12:54

That was one of the grocer's things

12:56

I saw in the super cringing turn

12:59

off Horrible. Any notes on even like

13:01

this, you know that he's uncomfortable with.

13:03

It's like everyone feels like this is

13:05

really kind of gross, but it's the

13:07

king and everyone's chemical that was and

13:09

that was an interesting way to take

13:12

this right. because we we've already. you

13:14

know, even leading up to this than

13:16

other pica we talked about how I

13:18

came from what we know of no,

13:20

the Tar Gary in history we're gonna

13:23

have to you. Know. Buckle.

13:25

Up because there's certain things that

13:27

are just sitting like that's just

13:29

their lifestyle. But it was interesting

13:31

how that the choice was made

13:33

for from the riders to to

13:35

still draw some level of squeamishness

13:37

ow ow movie across the board

13:40

like it with in ah this

13:42

the of the universe right? So

13:44

what will you? How is the

13:46

game? Find a sister to marry?

13:48

Find that law among us History

13:50

lesson that would be better than

13:52

this. Rights I did appreciate that

13:54

the. And into the couldn't on the other

13:56

way when they could have just will. Okay,

13:58

this is just the way it goes and

14:01

been very mad. The fact about it, I

14:03

mean I think that tells a different story

14:05

and I think of. To be perfectly honest,

14:07

I think that's a story that many people

14:09

would recoil from an ink from a presentation

14:11

standpoint you have that you have to have

14:13

some sort of a moral compass with regards

14:15

to this and products on. Hello

14:17

I am. It's like it's the i can

14:19

have a cavalier attitude towards this across the

14:21

board I think that seemingly the whole scene

14:23

was very innocent and sake. It's. It's

14:26

the king. It's. In public, they're

14:28

walking to the garden. He's clearly by

14:30

the end of the walk. he's close.

14:32

He decided not to marry the girl,

14:34

right? Nothing quite as innocent as a

14:37

twelve year old time and older king

14:39

that does that. They don't have to

14:41

bed for another two years isn't Yeah

14:43

and then, But even so, it's like

14:45

everything you know. Nothings consummated. There's no

14:47

A, but the whole thing just feels

14:49

really wrong. While that whole

14:51

scene was essentially maggots, Fight!

14:55

In spite Silva vs really brag about

14:57

like look like you said, just walk

14:59

and they're just they're just wriggling. But.

15:03

We know what they get, what what that

15:05

would be com and what's that function as

15:07

and so it's it's really I think that

15:09

and and thing that made it the gross

15:11

this is that everyone. And

15:13

I mean Everyone. Is. Turn the

15:15

king that this is the best course of

15:17

action. Rain and and it's waves. Amazing like

15:19

how some was like. All.

15:22

The different motivations for right? You know some

15:24

folks are just like they like. hey we

15:26

broke it down the you know, we. We

15:30

brought in the ai and we

15:32

the swim with their every possible

15:34

scenario and really this is this

15:36

is the best possible of course

15:39

of action right now. Even

15:42

so much so, that were all fine with

15:44

him marrying a teenager afterwards. Or.

15:47

For you now it's like ugh,

15:49

guess at least seasonal teaming water

15:52

relief. Yeah

15:55

no I mean I don't know

15:57

that I was like a video

15:59

but. We sit in a wasn't

16:01

like the elephant know that we're basically

16:03

to resolve. Yeah, you're

16:06

right, and they are. And.

16:08

So yeah, sure you eat so sure

16:10

it is. There's a there's a bit

16:13

of relief by comparison right again plane

16:15

that would shoot rather than. And.

16:18

And as but this whole thing as rifle in

16:20

the I think that we were talking about some

16:22

of our own views on a but I think

16:25

it's worth really digging in. How ah. It.

16:28

To me this is such a a matter.

16:30

Of. Compelling. Threat

16:33

because of all the different

16:35

players and how everybody's play

16:37

in this case. And

16:40

well I was gonna say that.

16:42

It's. One of these things were. As

16:45

a king, there's a right course of

16:47

action. And as a human. Is

16:50

the exact wrong course of

16:52

action? true? I think it

16:54

is. It's actually kind of a hard thing to

16:56

do to prepare for series. Who. Are

16:59

kind of was smart on both

17:01

sides and an authentic like they

17:03

come by their decisions honestly on

17:05

both sides and. And.

17:07

You really see that's like the

17:09

king. The. King is about to

17:11

make a horrible political choice, and it's absolutely

17:13

the choice I would have made. Sure,

17:16

Because the only thing I share in common with

17:18

his guys? my humanity. And.

17:20

Everything about a hundred of me being

17:22

human thinks that's wrong, you know, But

17:24

it's interesting to like the I'm. So.

17:26

You have, You have Auto Hightower who's you?

17:29

don't have the King's as will have his

17:31

best interest of mine but this is. Not

17:33

in Not in not in terms of advising

17:35

the king right? Oh this is a bad

17:38

political move to put his daughter in the

17:40

room for sure. right? and it. But this

17:42

is all part of like this was this

17:44

was a plan. a high rise of this

17:46

this this really shows and then we I

17:49

think we knew an episode. One that auto

17:51

Hightower was was very clever. And

17:53

ah, I'm a little.

17:55

I'm a time when Lana survived coming off

17:58

this guy. I. Would? Yeah, The

18:00

even just the even lox and everything sort

18:02

of. It's kind of their am so so

18:04

as he put this has a sense this

18:07

and motion on. A real

18:09

hand of the king whose responsibility of

18:11

family to to support him as as

18:13

a person but ultimately you're supposed to

18:15

be supporting them as. Young

18:18

As as the game, As As

18:20

and in this role to print

18:22

to keep his position and his

18:24

line intact and this is this

18:26

would be the opposite. He

18:28

would advise against the way he played

18:30

the king in terms of like when

18:32

he was asking his opinion like oh

18:34

yeah no this doesn't really does make

18:37

a lot of fans about the me

18:39

that he plays his own hand like

18:41

but I know for me the idea

18:43

of after my wife path mary out

18:45

of compulsion or obligations as didn't set

18:48

like his he'd he'd knows yeah he

18:50

says the exact he doesn't say like

18:52

you shouldn't marry her but he says

18:54

just enough to can a plant the

18:56

idea that the kings mind. That like

18:59

for because he knows he knows enough

19:01

about the king and his motivations roads.

19:03

And. So he knows which but buttons to push

19:05

with. Which is fascinating because the king. Does.

19:09

Not have a king thinks he has agency,

19:11

but he clearly has not. While

19:14

that reminded me of that line from

19:16

Dame Into Again in a previous episode is

19:18

like I would protect you if I

19:20

was him the cat gray and is

19:22

a perfect protect me from what me so

19:24

I would protect you from yourself and

19:26

I was thinking. That's

19:28

what auto to Hightower refuses

19:30

to do. He says going

19:33

to allow the came to

19:35

like make these human choices.

19:38

That. damon's her gary and would

19:40

absolutely advise against i guess as

19:42

hum reading but the but but

19:44

beyond that it's not that it's

19:46

not that are hightower is either

19:49

too close to the king so

19:51

he's allowing for it or he's

19:53

fielding to the kings more internal

19:55

instincts it's it's the auto hightower

19:57

as an agenda here and it's

20:00

It's working for sweet not he'll

20:02

protect him in so much as it helps out of high

20:04

tower as well. Oh sure

20:06

no he's there he's absolutely which i

20:08

think is a great reveal in this

20:11

episode because i think it we get now we

20:13

get you know it's so easy to say will

20:15

dame and target is is the bad and that's

20:17

what game of thrones does so well anyway is

20:19

like you know who do you trust and who's.

20:22

Who's bad are they all bad or is it

20:24

all bad guys act

20:27

nobly and good guys

20:29

will. Make mistakes and

20:31

do horrible things and who's who's who's

20:33

more sinister the one that sits on

20:35

the throne blatantly and challenges the

20:37

king at every turn out the

20:39

open or the one that's it set aside

20:41

and says that he has his best interest in mind. Well

20:44

that's the other thing i feel like demons

20:46

not a great political mind i think we

20:49

saw that in this episode. Right

20:52

yeah so i don't think he's having a

20:54

solution is for him to be handed king

20:56

but. Clearly auto high

20:58

tower is putting his own political

21:01

advancement above the king

21:03

in the realm right so he's the exact

21:05

wrong hand of the king. Yeah

21:08

oh for sure but he's in

21:10

the best position possible right to be

21:12

able to enacted a plan. Again

21:16

she and then of taiwan right right

21:18

and then you've got you know and then meanwhile you have.

21:22

The coreless. Good

21:25

it's alright so storyline number two let me just

21:27

do will just jump right in here. This

21:29

is the sea snake storyline coreless

21:32

lord coreless valerian is pissed

21:34

off that more isn't being

21:37

done about cragas dahar. Seems

21:40

that the crab beater has attacked a

21:42

valerian ship later the sea snake apologizes

21:44

and proposes a marriage between the king

21:46

and his 12 year old daughter. Corliss

21:50

is offended when the king

21:52

refuses and seeks an alliance

21:54

with damon according to lord

21:56

coreless damon can prove his

21:58

worth by taking. down

22:00

the crab feeder. Alright,

22:02

so what you were going to say? Man,

22:05

again talk about the way that they all know

22:07

how to appeal to and play Viserys

22:13

because, you know, Corlys comes in

22:15

hot, he wants action, he wants

22:19

the king to make a decision to send

22:21

a message and all this stuff, and then later when he

22:23

goes to make his proposal, I mean, deferential,

22:28

apologetic, and

22:30

the king doesn't, you know, the previous

22:32

kings that we've seen in these universes would have

22:34

just been like, too little too late, you're off

22:36

the council kind of thing. Nobody comes in here

22:38

and shows me, like, it could have been a

22:40

variety, but he's just so like, he appeals to

22:42

his mercy, right? Yeah,

22:45

his cousin says in another part of

22:48

the episode, she says, and your father

22:50

is no fool, right? Right.

22:52

And I think that's kind of true. I don't

22:55

think he is a fool. I actually think that

22:57

he's got a kind of wisdom that would make

22:59

him really valuable as some other

23:02

office in the kingdom, but

23:04

I think that he absolutely suffers

23:06

fools. Well, that's the thing. There's

23:09

a lot about him that you would

23:11

say, that's the kind of king you

23:13

might want, but you

23:16

do need to have a good

23:19

council that has not

23:21

just the king's best interest in mind, but the

23:23

realm's best interest, and that's how they operate, right?

23:26

The king would be the one to say, okay,

23:28

but what about, like, if he could bring up,

23:30

like, a moral discussion or whatever, but like, when

23:32

he comes down to it, like, he's constantly asking,

23:34

like, again, you want to seek counsel, but then

23:37

there comes a point where it's like, at some

23:39

point, the king does need, the buck stops with

23:41

you. And so we see

23:43

that when he chooses Alicent, but it's

23:45

still, you know, and the irony of that whole thing

23:47

is like, ah, he did something to show that he

23:49

had agency, and he kind of bucked all

23:51

the advice. It's like, but he didn't, right? I

23:54

mean, ultimately, he still did, he kind

23:57

of lured into high towers. Yeah, he

23:59

got... Yeah, he got he thought it

24:01

was his own choice, right? It was

24:03

really what what auto I was thinking

24:05

about contrasting this episode with

24:09

The choice he makes last episode. Mm-hmm I

24:11

think that the maesters and everyone in the

24:13

kingdom would say oh, no, you

24:15

absolutely have to choose the air You you you've

24:17

got a chance for a male heir here Sorry

24:21

about your wife, but she's got to go you

24:23

got it. You've got to make the choice for the

24:25

baby I think he does make that choice in support

24:28

of the kingdom that at least that's what he thinks

24:30

he's doing Right in this episode.

24:32

It's like I tried it. I tried doing

24:34

that I'm gonna choose what

24:36

I think is right based on sort

24:38

of my own sense of morality here

24:41

I'm gonna choose the woman Who

24:44

I have some kind of relationship

24:47

with who isn't seven years old,

24:49

you know, yeah and like

24:52

Given the idea that like look he says

24:56

you know, I loved your mother

24:58

and you

25:00

have another You

25:02

see the juxtaposition when when Damon talks about his wife

25:04

Why he wants to take a second wife and whether

25:06

or not you trust Damon at this point But I

25:09

think that there is some truth to what he was

25:11

saying. I didn't choose her and choose my

25:13

wife and and so

25:15

there is so it's a nice way that

25:17

the the writers can add like

25:20

This is I think we talked about before about

25:22

like trusting your audience and some of the issues

25:24

that we may have had with the first episode

25:26

in terms of like I see it connected to

25:28

this connected to that like It may be a

25:30

little bit too on the nose. Where's this?

25:33

There's these nice little subtle things that remind

25:35

you That like there's a difference

25:37

if he to say that he loved his wife After

25:41

the fact especially and if granted he's talking to his

25:43

daughter, but I believe him You know

25:45

there was a uniqueness to that relationship and

25:48

if he's going to marry again, and he said look it's only

25:50

been six months if he was truly mission-minded

25:53

and Understood lineage

25:55

and preserving the name

25:59

He would kind of suck up it up a little bit and be like, all right,

26:01

it's time to get married. Look, this is duty. But

26:03

for him, marriage wasn't just duty. Whereas

26:06

we see that, like I said, the

26:08

juxtaposition with Damon's reference, like I didn't

26:10

choose my wife shows that

26:12

that's, that's the culture. So he's

26:14

already bucking the culture. So it

26:16

does make sense that he would choose Alison again,

26:19

you know, Hey, maybe give it another six months

26:21

and see what happens to get out there, you

26:23

know, get on

26:25

whatever app Westeros has for

26:27

this type of thing. Right.

26:30

Well, I just keep on connecting with Dornish

26:32

women. And that's just not my type. I

26:37

should say, I

26:39

mean, it's, it's an obvious point, but it

26:41

should be made. We

26:44

saw a lot of marriages in

26:46

the first series, no

26:50

marriage that was ever sort

26:52

of for love ever ends

26:54

well. Right. True. True. Right.

26:56

So you've got Rob, Rob,

26:59

you know, he decides to marry for

27:01

love and the, the red winning happens,

27:04

you know, Tyrion decides to marry the

27:06

crafter's daughter and, you know, no,

27:10

no marriage based on love.

27:12

And then of course, John and Danny at

27:14

the end, you know, it's,

27:17

it's just in this world, in

27:19

Martin's world, if

27:21

you don't use marriage for a

27:23

political purpose, you're foolish. Something

27:26

horrible is going to happen. And I think that that's

27:28

what's going, I think that that's what the story is

27:30

trying to tell. Well, just by virtue of what it's,

27:32

what it, what it's going to set in motion. Right.

27:35

Like, I mean, as

27:37

cringy as it was in the world that's been laid out

27:39

in front of us, the

27:42

idea that, that

27:44

you could unify the houses to get

27:48

and again, that assumes that that's the end of

27:50

that story. But clearly went once Corliss's

27:53

reaction shows that like, kind of

27:55

called the bluff in some ways.

27:57

Yeah. Yeah. Corliss was not, I'm

28:00

looking for the greater good. He.

28:02

He's looking for a for another

28:04

another waiting to to keep the

28:06

door open for. well. He's an

28:08

interesting character for me because he

28:10

has all of the pride of

28:13

an old house Rain. And

28:15

if it isn't, if it was just for

28:18

that one little thing, that one little detail.

28:20

Dragons. The wasn't

28:22

for that one little detail. A dragon's

28:24

he and the world would be as

28:27

oyster right? So it is kind of

28:29

interesting to see him. Tried to. Outmaneuver.

28:34

All. These dragon riders who I mean

28:36

I guess you know you you get

28:38

game and targeting with it with no

28:41

dragon because he still pretty good swordsman

28:43

or whatever. but it's like. He's.

28:46

near near of for it open for they

28:48

say we don't bring a sword to a

28:50

dragon fact that st se this is better

28:52

deal i wanted at ask about this been

28:55

at the ends. And. Isn't the

28:57

sort of their time tells? Damon's not

28:59

the best political mind, but if you

29:01

give him Corliss on his team. Then.

29:04

All the sudden he has this new

29:06

super power. has corners. Not just like

29:08

Man of action, he's also got a

29:11

political mind as well. And.

29:13

And so maybe that kind

29:15

of tempers some of those

29:17

impulses that Damon otherwise has,

29:19

right And and the advantage

29:21

of having dame. And obviously,

29:23

as you've got, ah, You.

29:26

Have a bit of an army. We got a big

29:28

old dragon now like that's the one thing I listened

29:30

to. Could never get. An

29:32

and you do the have at

29:35

least the appearance of and and

29:37

air. And there's an air of

29:39

an heir to him, right? So

29:43

that helps that eight you know again

29:45

that's a Politically eyes and optics. It's

29:47

an optic think from the political perspective

29:49

that has positive that that it's helpful

29:51

Corliss like is that with a plan

29:54

with given he was he had a

29:56

plan and them and viscera sort of

29:58

usurped it. weather It was

30:00

because he was clever or just because he

30:02

was impetuous or who knows right? I mean

30:04

it's trying to figure out what because

30:07

I think this heiress is really worth examining because

30:09

I and this is a character that I didn't

30:11

know that I was gonna be as interested in

30:13

as I mean again only two episodes in but

30:15

right the nuance of like

30:18

is he Is

30:20

he too good for his own good is he is

30:22

he? You

30:25

know, what is it right? I mean because Kings

30:27

oftentimes, you know, like yeah, they have their councils

30:29

but they also have their egos and his ego

30:31

may be baked into his immunity and

30:34

that might be an even more problematic

30:36

Issue. It's interesting. Do

30:38

you have a sense or a

30:40

visceral reaction to the crab feeder

30:43

guy? I'm

30:47

cautiously optimistic there's

30:50

a part of me that's like this feels like

30:52

a street fighter villain in like Vega or I

30:57

You know, it's it's the Phantom of

30:59

the ocean Medieval

31:03

leatherface Phantom of the ocean is

31:06

the winner today I

31:15

I keep I'm gonna say this again and maybe

31:17

I'll say this every episode but I I do

31:20

miss the It's sort of

31:22

a show devoid of warmth or levity Okay,

31:26

and again, I was like you're bringing

31:28

you can bring in someone like Corliss

31:30

and Have

31:33

him, you know, give him a little

31:35

bit more personality How

31:37

about how about how about a joke or two? How about

31:40

how about a character? That

31:43

isn't Machiavellian. I don't know I

31:46

keep thinking back to like, you

31:48

know When John meets you grit how much we

31:51

love that or you know, are you on the

31:53

hound on the road? Or

31:56

you know, so in the first two episodes of

31:58

Game of Thrones again refresh my memory. Where

32:00

did we got some levity? Rad really

32:02

began to see like the kids we

32:04

have lots of four or five one

32:07

liners, some teary and rain rally so

32:09

yeah we had brand climbing trees. we

32:11

had email John giving Aria needle for

32:13

the first time. This is all kind

32:15

of like I I know who to

32:18

root for in a show like that.

32:21

So. I think that

32:23

we're supposed to be some

32:25

degree of levity when that

32:27

choosing a third of the

32:29

guard read up on its

32:31

lack of effect. Of. Our

32:34

tiger had this I write. This

32:36

first guard that they are

32:39

interviewing in. Dude. Like.

32:42

This is the first rule of

32:44

interviewing you gotta had. Just say

32:46

something. Like

32:48

if you have to talk a lot you don't want to

32:50

you on over talk. But.

32:52

I feel like saying something

32:55

would be advantageous for. His

32:58

leg he went to like whatever his the

33:00

but ever and website he went to for

33:02

added mail your interviewer and is like a

33:05

good if if if you're concerned if you're

33:07

nervous just to be to stand strong to

33:09

stand down to stare down and will give

33:11

you the jobs. I

33:15

mean he he dress the part I mean

33:17

he really dressed up. For this

33:19

interview. Right and wrong

33:22

address that is on time on his

33:24

and home. With. It but then when

33:26

it came right I collected they were they say

33:28

a lot of times this if you don't have

33:30

like a really good example it's okay to say

33:32

and. Can. I come

33:34

back to this question. I seem to think

33:36

on a similar like that's the way to

33:38

do it but or you just stand there.

33:41

Sarah's their Adam the without being the worst

33:43

yeah as the second best apps feel like

33:45

he went home to his wife and he

33:47

is like to do to get the job

33:49

was eight now. Once. Again

33:51

I lost that the somebody who low

33:53

chatter than me. And

33:56

he had told you you happened and did you get asked a

33:58

question. Did

34:00

you get asked the question? Well

34:03

yeah, but did you answer it? Honey, you didn't

34:05

answer again, didn't you? Hahahaha Oh,

34:08

this guy.

34:12

And I'm just thinking like, maybe he wanted to answer,

34:14

but I'm sort of like, Look, we've spent all the

34:16

money on the dragons. You got no lines. Yeah,

34:20

again, one

34:23

of the things that I look, HBO's, things

34:26

didn't go great with the end of Game of Thrones,

34:28

so we're gonna give you, we're gonna give you great.

34:30

We're gonna give you great effects budgets, we're gonna give

34:32

you wonderful costuming budgets, but we're gonna give you way

34:34

more extras. I wanna

34:36

go all over, like no no, we're gonna focus

34:38

in on one family. And

34:41

most of the nights are just background. Here's

34:43

the rule, if you bring in a guy in

34:45

bright yellow, he's a little bit jowly. No

34:49

lines. No lines. Right,

34:51

you can't have yellow and

34:53

jowls and lines. Hahahaha

34:58

Alright, so Kristin gets the job,

35:00

and he's allowed to talk. I

35:02

think that that's a great benefit.

35:05

Yeah, huge benefit. For

35:07

almost any job. Oh,

35:09

the other part of it that I thought was interesting was, so, Otto

35:13

wants to use this appointment for

35:15

political ends. He's like, I can

35:17

make a lord happy if I

35:20

choose the lord's oldest

35:22

son or something like that. Renier is

35:24

thinking more practically, she's like, can

35:27

he fight? I wanna know if he can fight. And

35:30

so, she chooses a guy who can fight,

35:32

and Otto's sort of second guessing her. Right.

35:35

But then when it comes time to

35:38

go confront Damon at Dragonstone, who does

35:40

he take with him? Right,

35:42

right. He takes with him the guy that

35:44

he knows would defeat Damon in the tourney.

35:48

So it's sort of this validation for Renier's

35:50

choice in the end. Is

35:52

it? I mean, that's a good question though. I mean, I

35:54

think on the surface that's what I would take it as.

35:56

Like, hey, well, is it a, well, this is who I've

35:58

got because he was... assigned or

36:01

is it also like I know this

36:03

will also go to Damon

36:06

even to make a right

36:09

because if you know that Damon is

36:11

as we talked about in the previous

36:13

podcast if he's vulnerable if

36:15

he's insecure it makes him a little more volatile

36:18

right which means that any plan he may have

36:20

had might be for it and I think we

36:22

see that and I think we see what happens

36:24

is that he comes in with a plan and

36:27

it got sorted pretty easy right

36:30

and because he didn't even

36:33

consult with with his woman

36:36

I didn't even tell her what the plan was like

36:38

oh I'm pregnant

36:41

now is that the story you've been

36:43

telling people I'm pregnant huh so

36:46

this is the whole thing this was your whole

36:48

eggplant so

36:51

I think if there was so much revealed in

36:55

that and so when you think about high towers

36:58

political motivations but he you know he makes sure

37:00

that the king stays behind but he

37:03

again he says he does that because he wants to go

37:05

you know because the king is too valuable and so I

37:07

start you this is this is when I when you asked

37:09

last week you feel like you're

37:11

watching Game of Thrones this week

37:14

I did right because

37:16

of that because any time that like so now that high

37:18

towers there to protect the king I still like is he

37:20

or is he trying to get the damn in is he

37:22

trying was he trying to do there right

37:24

like is he just trying to stop them like

37:27

what's his plan he knows he's got a dragon

37:30

but I was gonna ask you that question I was gonna

37:32

ask you like does

37:34

high tower one excuse

37:36

to kill Damon and

37:39

if so what does he think he's gonna do

37:42

about the dragon yeah

37:44

so that part with that part I wasn't quite

37:46

sure because you know that that's a

37:48

reality but I don't I

37:51

don't think it didn't seem to

37:53

me that that he was really in there

37:56

to to battle

37:58

them necessarily But I don't

38:01

know what the next thing would have

38:03

been. Well you brought up the point, like why

38:05

bring Chris and Cole if

38:08

you don't think that you're going to use that

38:10

guy to provoke Damon?

38:13

And I feel like this is a guy you, maybe

38:16

you're counting on him

38:18

acting rashly, right? Yeah,

38:21

Damon does something and now he's killed one of your

38:23

guards. I mean like if you want to talk about,

38:26

because the term sedition came up, right? And

38:29

if, you know, clearly they got him for

38:32

stealing this dragon

38:34

egg and then if he kills one

38:37

of the guards, you know,

38:39

that seems like you got a lot. I mean if

38:41

you want to take this to more

38:44

of a political end, it's

38:46

hard to argue, right? I mean

38:48

now it's, regardless

38:52

of who he is and what his last

38:54

name is, there may be a bridge too

38:57

far, right? Right now sounds a little

38:59

bit like Mar-a-Lago right now. Yeah,

39:04

that was them with their warrant. They

39:10

got a redacted egg back. I'm

39:12

the rightful heir, man. I'm the rightful heir. This is

39:14

my egg. This is my egg, which is

39:16

my egg from the beginning. I

39:18

told him he could keep the train set and

39:22

I could have any egg. Just go

39:24

ask him. Just ask him. I

39:26

said. I thought you didn't want him to come, but you knew who'd

39:28

have been like, oh, that's right, the train set. So

39:32

this is my favorite scene of

39:35

the episode. Because... When

39:37

Reneira shows up? When she shows up.

39:43

I think it could have gone wrong

39:45

in any number of ways, but you kind of...she

39:47

kind of...what card is she

39:49

really playing? I don't think she's playing the

39:51

dragon card. I think she's walking up to

39:53

him and sort of daring him to do

39:56

what he is threatening to

40:00

do and that is to you know become the

40:02

new heir you think you're the real heir all

40:04

right here I am what are you

40:06

gonna do about it? I'm right here uncle

40:11

the object of your ire the

40:14

reason that you were disinherited if

40:17

you wish to be restored as heir you need

40:19

to kill me just

40:23

do it and be

40:25

done with all this bother and

40:28

I think that the first episode really establishes that

40:30

they have a relationship where they respect

40:32

each other and so

40:35

when she stares him down like that

40:38

you kind of get the sense that he feels

40:40

like well I think I think she's got checkmate

40:43

here I don't know what I'm gonna do I

40:45

think I gotta get back to his egg that's

40:48

the ultimate because that's the whole thing like think

40:51

about it's just like okay if this

40:53

is your plan and that's one thing that this plan

40:55

had been you know six

40:57

months ago or

40:59

seven months ago but now I

41:01

am I have been declared the

41:03

heir right so now you want

41:05

my position and the only way

41:07

you are getting it is if

41:10

I'm out of the picture and

41:12

since you're willing to go this far are

41:14

you willing to take the next step and

41:17

the thing that was fascinating is that it

41:20

happens out in public and

41:22

she switches from Targaryen to the common

41:24

tongue right yes that was that was

41:26

gonna be my next point so she

41:29

actually is yeah she establishes the conversation

41:31

we are equals

41:33

we both speak Hyvalarian but

41:36

then when she says here I am on the

41:38

object of your ire just strike

41:40

me down she says it

41:42

for everyone to hear right yeah common tongue

41:44

so and so he gets back into a

41:47

corner and it

41:50

just goes to the egg toss and

41:52

I just that scene is is

41:54

pretty wonderful it's good because it does set

41:57

up that it sets up a lot and

41:59

it does does set up the ultimate,

42:01

and we're only two episodes in, and that level

42:04

of what we've seen, what we saw the relationship

42:06

wise in the first episode coming to this point

42:08

where it was like, all right, well, if we're

42:10

gonna do this, this is where it has to

42:12

go, and we can do it right now if

42:14

you want. It'll never be

42:16

easier. Right. And

42:19

it's interesting because you talk about, like

42:21

again, going back to his insecurity, maybe

42:23

his vulnerability, he's not

42:25

very strategic. I mean, he did not have an answer

42:27

for that. We had nothing. Okay,

42:29

let me ask you a hypothetical here. Let's

42:32

say the king does

42:34

go to Dragonstone. Let's say Viserys is

42:37

sort of up in his feelings, and he gets

42:39

on a ship, and he goes out to Dragonstone.

42:42

You're Daimon Targaryen. Do

42:44

you kill the king? Do you kill your brother? Do you think

42:47

he would have killed his brother? I

42:49

don't think he would have had to, because

42:51

I think there would have been an opportunity

42:54

for him to sort of play Viserys as

42:56

well, and I

42:58

think that might have been part of the

43:00

other reason why Otto Hightower goes out there,

43:03

is because the king can be swayed,

43:07

and sure, he may be fired up, but

43:11

we don't know how, from

43:17

a brother to brother perspective, how clever Daimon might

43:19

be. Like, Daimon doesn't have to be,

43:22

like his plan, I think, was essentially to have the king

43:24

show up. I think that's what he was setting up for.

43:26

I think so too, and I think he might have killed

43:28

him. Who do you

43:30

think so, huh? Well, I'm thinking like, let's say

43:32

he wants his brother out of the way. I

43:36

think he does still love his brother, but I think

43:39

he might think this is

43:41

the only way for

43:43

there to be a strong king on the throne. Well,

43:46

if he kills his brother, then it sets

43:48

into motion now. Rhaenra

43:52

is in charge. Yeah, I

43:54

think if that happens, he just... You

43:56

think it's a full coup? Yeah, I think

43:58

so, I think so. Oh that's what.

44:01

maybe he thought way it was gonna happen.

44:03

But. When she shows up, I don't

44:05

think he knows what to do. All

44:08

and it's and only them. I think that maybe he

44:10

might mammoth is. I don't know that he had a

44:12

great plan by think it's I think he was setting

44:14

up for. Appealing

44:17

to his brothers, Sensitivity.

44:20

Especially with regard to. The.

44:22

Whole plan about marrying. For. Love!

44:25

Oh interesting. I. Think I think

44:27

he I I think that would have

44:29

been maybe the the first move. Appeal

44:32

to that notion, Soften his brother up.

44:35

Get back in as good graces. Now

44:37

you're not. And and least you're not

44:39

now. Maybe exile the Dragon's eye. It's

44:42

almost becomes like and and negotiations that

44:44

in an auto hightower. Know that maybe

44:46

the king it may be susceptible Something

44:49

like that too. And so then that

44:51

sets the different because it because you

44:53

see later with his with Corazon Corliss

44:55

talk and all kinds of trash against

44:58

Osiris he demons of. Yeah.

45:00

I can do that. So. There isn't limited a

45:02

classic, you know? Hey, I can make one of

45:04

my family, but no one else can. So that

45:06

back to me, that was my indicator that maybe

45:08

he wasn't quite ready for that yet. Like like

45:11

there was still some degree or like look. I

45:13

may hate my brother, but to my brother, And.

45:16

Yeah, there was that sense. It's like you

45:18

can, I can talk trash but you can't.

45:21

Yeah, so I don't. I don't

45:23

know. For a be I target

45:25

I mean at a seminar good argument can

45:27

be made it away but that with my

45:29

rating was I don't know that I don't

45:31

think that that was the plan because of

45:33

the way that it was around the is

45:35

set up it with the such an emphasis

45:37

on marriage and and birthright things like that

45:39

signed A even though it was an insult

45:41

to take. Valence

45:44

New A right here. We

45:46

already covered some of story

45:48

line for hear. The

45:51

court is up in arms at the news

45:53

of assault on Dragon Egg. The serious learns

45:55

that it was his brother an era ass

45:57

which aig was taken. When. The king

45:59

finds out. that Daemon took his son's egg, he

46:02

wants to confront Daemon himself. Otto

46:04

however talks him out of it. Otto takes

46:06

20 men to Dragonstone where Daemon dares

46:09

the hand of the king to take the

46:11

egg from his hand. He allows his dragon

46:13

to menace the king's men and seems

46:16

intent on war. Rhaenarra

46:18

swoops in and stares him down. Then

46:21

Daemon is confronted by Masauria who

46:24

doesn't want children and doesn't want to live

46:26

in fear. Later on

46:28

he seems to consider the Sea Snake's proposal

46:30

to form an alliance. Masauria

46:33

is clearly more than a paramour right?

46:37

Right. I mean whatever

46:39

their relationship is she has some

46:42

degree of power in this

46:44

relationship. Yeah she

46:46

has his ear and it means

46:48

something. And it

46:50

was interesting because I think the first episode you

46:53

didn't get the sense like she had power over

46:55

him in that he allowed himself to be consoled

46:57

by her right? But

46:59

you heard a different kind of

47:01

voice from her this episode. So

47:06

I'm finding this relationship kind

47:08

of interesting because it's pretty

47:10

clear that Daemon has vulnerabilities

47:14

and one of them is that I think he's in

47:16

love with her. I think he's in love with his

47:18

paramour. And

47:21

yet he kind of lost this round and

47:23

now she's pissed off at him? Yeah

47:26

which we could only add to maybe

47:28

some of that instability right? Sure.

47:32

If the his avenue

47:35

for solace and

47:37

you know comfort becomes jeopardized

47:40

maybe by his own decisions it's like he's

47:43

running out of place with the turn because he gets further

47:46

isolated right? Right.

47:48

Right. So

47:51

she's interesting in that we

47:53

kind of established last episode that how

47:55

dangerous the birthing bed is. He

48:00

is intense to never

48:02

have children. If.

48:05

She's decided that I'm not gonna live in

48:07

fear and it seems like as accommodating they've

48:09

had before like I'm I'm not going to

48:11

live that life. right?

48:14

This. Is story lines three is

48:16

is called where near against the

48:18

world's. When. Eric and he's

48:20

be belittled. Her. Suggestion to

48:22

bring a show of force with dragons

48:25

at the steps is met with dismissal.

48:27

She second guess by auto and Detroit

48:29

for Chris and Coal. She isn't getting

48:32

the whole story from Alice and. She's.

48:34

Talked down to buy release it. Who

48:37

seems to reinforce the order of things

48:39

and westroads? And. Without

48:41

consulting anyone sees flies dream fire

48:43

to dragons down. For.

48:46

A showdown with Damon. She's.

48:48

Confronted by her father but winsome

48:50

over pretty quickly. He

48:52

learns of her father's new marriage.

48:55

To. Her best friend. Along with everyone

48:57

else and least the. So

49:00

I think that this is

49:02

kind of maybe the most

49:05

important part of the episode

49:07

because it establishes that this

49:09

girl who. Has. Been her

49:11

best friend for years. I'm I'm

49:13

imagining. It has kept this.

49:16

Massive secret from her. And.

49:18

Now her father is going to marry

49:20

her best friend. Yeah her best friend

49:23

becomes her stepmother. yeah I I I

49:25

just think of it or that seen

49:27

they kept on sort of the they

49:29

hung on her face long f b

49:31

to really get the sense that like

49:33

she's feeling betrayed by this. Right

49:36

from from every angle. And

49:38

yes, and I do get the sense

49:41

that she knows like I don't think

49:43

that my father's in the wrong. I

49:45

gave him permission to remarry. And.

49:47

Yet this is the worst possible thing that

49:49

could have happened. And eight. So either thing

49:52

I think that's interesting is like I love

49:54

the air. That. The back

49:56

and forth between her and rainy thrive.

49:58

And in that said, That's a lot up for,

50:00

I love that you do what the men

50:03

would rather torch. Put a torch, the realm

50:05

to a torch or something like that. Here

50:07

is the hard truth which no one else

50:09

has the heart to tell you. Men

50:13

would put the realm to the torch and

50:17

see a woman ascend the iron throne. And

50:21

she keeps bucking against it like, no, they didn't reject a

50:23

woman, they rejected you. Like

50:26

she's that, I'm a difference maker. It's different for

50:28

me. And I think part of that is, her

50:31

ambition part of that is being probably 15. So

50:36

all of that kind of comes crashing down

50:39

even though her father sort of took her

50:41

advice. Even though she had presented

50:44

herself throughout this episode as making

50:47

her own decisions for who's

50:49

going to be a

50:52

night's guard and her reasoning

50:54

was sound and she made the call. And

50:56

then she kind of saved the day with

50:59

showing up at Dragonstone and

51:02

then she gives her her

51:04

father. And her father has to kind of acknowledge

51:06

it. Like you're probably right. It probably would have

51:08

come to bloodshed if it was just that. And

51:11

then on top of that, then she gives him advice

51:13

that he takes. But she

51:15

didn't have all the information, right? And

51:19

so when it's all said and done, when she sees that, it's

51:21

like, well, I've been lied to,

51:24

I've been kind of

51:27

kept out of the loop here. And some of

51:29

those things that Rene said echo, they have to,

51:31

right? I mean, it's not just

51:34

about the men in charge,

51:36

but it's what women will do in

51:39

power as well or to preserve. That

51:41

was all part of that discussion, right?

51:43

And so she's just got... Well, Rene

51:45

says kind of the ultimate cynic at

51:47

this point, right? Because I really

51:49

do think that she was close enough to taste

51:51

it. And now

51:53

what's her nickname? The queen who never was.

51:56

Yeah, yeah. I mean, she's... lived

52:00

a life and she's lived in the

52:02

patriarchy long enough so that I think

52:04

that she kind of feels like I've

52:08

got to I really have

52:10

to tell this girl the truth she has

52:12

to learn the way the world

52:14

works at some point and

52:16

there's a there's a joy she gets in it

52:18

too right yeah there's that other side

52:20

of it is like you got the role that I

52:23

want and here's the thing it's like no I'm gonna

52:25

be a good auntie and

52:28

tell you that you're screwed tell

52:32

you all the reasons why you're wrong because

52:34

ultimately what it comes down to is I'm

52:36

jealous of your position but

52:39

hey I'm also giving you some say like

52:41

two things could be equally true here right

52:44

I'm giving you real talk and

52:46

I'm doing it in a way that makes

52:48

me feel good and I was getting a

52:50

little bit of Danny vibes when she's like

52:53

well when I'm clean I will remake the

52:55

order right right I'll change things when I'm

52:57

clean right actually yeah the idea of changing

52:59

the order right that's that's great so

53:02

that was I thought that was great the

53:07

fifth storyline we've already covered this

53:09

was the Kingsguard storyline and so

53:11

that leads us to dismemberment count

53:13

Steve hmm no

53:15

dismemberments pretty mild in fact

53:18

we even saved a finger in between

53:20

our best we're

53:23

doing our best to save the King's

53:25

fingers and then a cheek speak

53:27

over under I think I got this one

53:29

I took it under yeah yeah I don't

53:31

even know if we saw a dragon butthole

53:33

to be honest I think yeah I mean

53:36

even the the crab feeder his cheeks were

53:38

actually covered right so

53:40

okay so we

53:43

we focused on the on the guy

53:45

himself but I mean just

53:47

just crabs just gonna eat people I

53:50

think that they do warm I think that you

53:52

you think so anything I think that it like

53:54

a lot I'm not alive I don't know if

53:56

they will alive but I feel like like

53:59

I've seen on the beach

54:01

and crabs kind of going for it?

54:04

I don't know man. It

54:06

was a little goofy. All

54:09

the little clicking of the crabs. I

54:12

mean when I

54:14

say it, I mean it was effective especially because it

54:16

was pretty gory to watch it watch some of the

54:18

crabs going in and doing

54:20

the thing but but I was just

54:23

like huh crabs.

54:26

I mean I know I always figured

54:28

crabs would be a problem in this

54:30

universe but. Alright so then here's the

54:32

question like I look at those

54:34

crabs and I'm thinking like I

54:36

would eat a crab. I would definitely I

54:38

but the question is would I eat a crab

54:42

that has been feeding on a human

54:44

corpse? Mmm and then they brought up

54:46

the other questions like have I ever already

54:49

eaten a crab? I think I'm just

54:51

gonna say yes. I'm not gonna quit

54:53

on these things. I just love crab.

54:55

I love crab. Yeah. So I

54:57

don't care if it's eaten human corpse

54:59

or not. I think I'm

55:01

with you. Yeah I do. I do like like

55:03

me some crab. So

55:06

you know when we talk about when

55:09

we did the rewatch and you know I was

55:11

you know you know again I was magic

55:14

hesitant. Yeah. And

55:17

then you know we got a smoke baby and I'm

55:19

kind of like you know what ever you want. And

55:23

so I think the crab while

55:25

these weren't magic crabs. If you

55:27

don't remember we're talking about what

55:29

Melisandre birth the shadow

55:31

demon from her womb. So yeah

55:33

so you were not. Yeah but it

55:35

was a shadow demon later but

55:37

it was born to smoke baby. Okay

55:42

so so yeah all right so continue

55:44

you were thinking. So I you

55:47

know even though I've accepted dragons I had

55:49

to remember like there's gonna you know we're

55:51

in a fantasy world and

55:53

if I could if I could tolerate a

55:56

smoke baby I think I have to tolerate

55:58

a that

56:00

has an army of crap. Well,

56:03

I was thinking this episode, I was thinking,

56:05

I missed the magic. Like, you

56:08

remove the dragons, this is

56:10

basically a political thriller, which is fine. You

56:12

know, it's always sort of been an element

56:14

of Game of Thrones. And

56:16

yet, I do feel like,

56:19

as a fan of fantasy lit, I'm kind of waiting

56:22

for the magic. Again,

56:24

I think you gotta just

56:26

be on board with the fact that I

56:30

don't know that he summons crabs. But I like

56:32

to think that there may be a point where

56:34

he gets all the crabs to come together to

56:36

form like one giant crab, like the Constructor Khans.

56:39

And that giant

56:42

crab will take on a dragon, and it's

56:44

going to feel a lot like a... Well,

56:46

that would be great, because you could

56:49

punch through, like a dragon could

56:51

use its tail to whip through

56:53

the crab. But

56:55

because it's just made up of tiny little crabs,

56:59

then they form all these little,

57:01

maybe medium-sized crabs. And they're just

57:05

a Voltron of crabs. That's

57:07

what we want. We want a Voltron

57:09

of crabs. Well,

57:12

I know they just renewed Season 2, so hopefully

57:14

they're listening. I'd

57:19

be remiss if we didn't ask

57:21

the question, how do you feel

57:23

about title sequence? Yeah, a little

57:25

underwhelming. Glad

57:28

to have the old Game of Thrones music back. Okay,

57:32

so that's another question. I mean, you're cool with just

57:34

the same old music. I think so. I feel

57:37

like, honestly, most people are going

57:39

to skip ahead anyway, right? They

57:42

shouldn't, because there's changes, right? I'm sure it's going to

57:44

change like the other one did. Why

57:47

would it change? It's just blood flowing. But

57:52

it's flowing through different areas, right? And

57:57

different symbols are coming up. You're

58:00

supposed to you're supposed to be the the one

58:02

that could walk me through that because of your

58:05

extensive knowledge Yeah, I didn't quite get it.

58:07

I'll be honest. I didn't quite get the

58:09

whole blood through the channels thing It

58:13

did remind me in the first novel.

58:15

Aria has a dream of King's

58:17

Landing where the the walls are

58:19

full of blood and it's kind of starts bubbling

58:21

out of the walls and I

58:24

kind of thought oh, this is kind of cool I kind

58:26

of reminds you of that dream Aria had but

58:28

then I Kind of got

58:30

the sense that this is all about

58:33

sort of the Targaryen lineage That's

58:36

what I kind of figured right now. I thought it

58:38

was gonna have that chance Hey, I don't think that

58:40

that changes at all. I think the lineage stays the

58:42

same I don't think we're gonna see the title sequence

58:44

change sure because because there's gonna be some high tower

58:48

The tributary. No, maybe I think

58:50

this entire first season of the sales say I

58:52

mean I could be wrong, but I think it's

58:54

gonna be That's my guess.

58:56

It's gonna be the same the whole season Yeah,

59:00

this will be this will be a point of

59:02

contention between Heather and I because she is a

59:05

she's traditionally a skip intro person And

59:07

I am famously I will listen

59:09

to the entire threes company Theme

59:13

song regardless of how many times I've

59:15

seen the episode well, and I feel

59:17

like with the old title sequence I

59:20

would watch because I was kind of curious to

59:22

see especially when it was starting to latter

59:24

seasons started to change If

59:28

it's just gonna be this I'll skip it every time Hmm.

59:31

I don't yeah, I think you should I'm gonna say

59:33

stay tuned. All right. I'll watch it just just because

59:36

maybe maybe not I'll keep my eyes on it. Maybe

59:38

not this season, but I mean you don't want to

59:40

be the one to be like Oh what it's switched

59:42

when it's with okay. Let's get you on the record episode

59:46

three Cheek-speak over

59:48

under oh We're

59:51

due we okay, so just remind people the rules

59:55

The amount of people with actual

59:57

dialogue in the show that reveal.

1:00:00

A. Cheek or two. And.

1:00:02

Then of course he was gonna choose and

1:00:05

over under here he I'm as I'm sorry

1:00:07

I'm gonna go even higher. I'm saying five

1:00:09

I think we're due for some so you're

1:00:11

saying to full moons and aside cheek and.

1:00:14

Yet. Or that would give you five. So

1:00:16

five or over. There

1:00:18

and you got it right. I think

1:00:20

I think you're I think we're probably

1:00:22

do so I think I'm going to

1:00:25

take the over with you aka and

1:00:27

we'll see if for see how we

1:00:29

do. So far so far I've got

1:00:31

I'm I'm one up yes. I

1:00:33

am. You are the other cheek massive.

1:00:37

And Mr of Cheeks. Little

1:00:42

high rate of you will. Affect.

1:00:49

So. I would you? How do

1:00:51

you rate this episode? Oh we didn't do that

1:00:53

and so glad you're my me. Suit,

1:00:57

I'm gonna say Danny Plus one.

1:01:00

Okay would either unknown Danny plus

1:01:02

three. Oh, you're

1:01:04

Dinklage Rains! I.

1:01:06

Know I know I am latest

1:01:08

one alive. Oh I did a

1:01:10

lot and I think maybe it

1:01:12

is the i'm like I said.

1:01:15

Oh. I feel like I feel like a much

1:01:17

a Game of Thrones against. I might have

1:01:19

been more of that on the as the

1:01:21

release back and forth of I was was

1:01:23

excellent and I was like i yeah I

1:01:25

was called again and it it I was

1:01:27

I was like this is going to be

1:01:29

like to me like that the best back

1:01:31

and forth a the Efsa and then. The.

1:01:34

Dame and right I'll take toss that

1:01:36

homework the up with as a wow

1:01:38

that's really really good and them and

1:01:40

you know. And and even though I

1:01:42

felt like they didn't need to do

1:01:44

that slow pan at the end with

1:01:47

the Corliss a guy who who like

1:01:49

does not enough characters for me to

1:01:51

go like I wonder who he's talking

1:01:53

to him after. he

1:01:56

thought we couldn't be an

1:01:58

but i i did I

1:02:00

think that was a really good way to

1:02:02

get into it. And I will reiterate that

1:02:04

walk through the garden with the

1:02:06

king and Elena. I just

1:02:08

thought that got me feeling

1:02:11

all kinds of gross. And

1:02:14

all right, I think you talked me up. I

1:02:16

think I'm gonna go Danny plus two. You talked

1:02:18

me up a rank here. I think

1:02:20

it was a really good episode. And I

1:02:22

know that there are reviews from people

1:02:27

that are already six episodes in, right?

1:02:29

A lot of these, the bigger. Yeah,

1:02:31

a few of our podcast buddies got

1:02:34

screeners, right? And there's

1:02:36

different, one of

1:02:38

the things I keep hearing is I miss

1:02:40

the amount of characters. It just feels like

1:02:42

it's too insultuous

1:02:46

in terms of the interest. And

1:02:49

to be honest, I'm kind of okay with that. I

1:02:51

think that I'm curious. I think I agree with the

1:02:53

critics on this one. I feel like I need

1:02:58

to be introduced to some family that's

1:03:03

away from King's Landing or

1:03:05

some commoner that lives in

1:03:07

the city or someone that

1:03:10

can bring a little bit of levity. When

1:03:13

we did our rewatch of Game of

1:03:15

Thrones, we talked about this being in

1:03:17

the desert and you need just

1:03:20

that touch of cool water, just that

1:03:22

drop of cool water. I

1:03:25

feel like we've gotten zero.

1:03:28

Zero, first two episodes. I think

1:03:30

I'll need it, but I think setting

1:03:32

this new story up

1:03:36

is I'm willing to be patient.

1:03:39

I will need some of that later,

1:03:41

but this

1:03:43

is going, this is so intricate

1:03:45

so far in terms of

1:03:48

how the political intrigue goes. And

1:03:50

because it is so close, it feels even more

1:03:52

sinister. But yeah, I definitely could see the need

1:03:55

for a little more

1:03:57

levity. And I Know that we're gonna do

1:03:59

a time jump. Some point which also

1:04:01

take some of the a childlike qualities

1:04:03

out of some Allison then I think

1:04:05

so. And I will be honest, I've

1:04:08

really enjoyed Young Our Sins and I'm

1:04:10

not young us and I've really enjoyed

1:04:12

Young or Naira. Yeah, I agree.

1:04:15

And so when they do level her up

1:04:17

to the next actress, I think I'm gonna

1:04:19

miss this actress. I think she's kill on

1:04:21

a I agree at I had that same

1:04:24

thoughts and not just because her friend. Broken.

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Glass next to us at it from there. Are

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In both Game of Thrones and House of

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the Dragon we meet important men who are

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openly promiscuous. Or at least

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they bring their paramours with them

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to important places. Presumably these men

1:08:14

are not concerned with public knowledge

1:08:17

about their activities beyond the institution

1:08:19

of marriage. In medieval

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Europe, would this have

1:08:23

been taboo or had an adverse

1:08:25

political consequence? Yeah,

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I think obviously the Church frowns upon

1:08:30

such things, particularly if the man in

1:08:32

question was married. But yes, noblemen and

1:08:35

kings did often have mistresses and as

1:08:37

a result had quite a lot of

1:08:39

villages but children. I

1:08:42

mean you get examples of men who

1:08:44

had mistresses before they were married. They

1:08:46

like to keep their options open in

1:08:48

case a particularly choice

1:08:52

bride-to-be came along. Who

1:08:55

might gain them lands and

1:08:57

things. So they would often have a woman who

1:09:00

they had children with and who they might end

1:09:02

up marrying further down the line. And

1:09:05

those children would have to be retroactively

1:09:09

legitimised. So yes, that's what I was looking

1:09:12

for. Because yes, they've

1:09:14

been born out of wedlock. So

1:09:17

that kind of thinking does come into

1:09:19

it. I think also that these men

1:09:21

often did also look after their illegitimate

1:09:23

offspring. I mean that I think comes

1:09:25

through in Game of Thrones quite a

1:09:27

lot. Even if

1:09:29

they're not treated the same, they obviously are not a

1:09:32

part of the succession. And that would be the same in

1:09:34

medieval Europe on the whole. They

1:09:36

are at least catered for. They're

1:09:38

looked after. They're given lands

1:09:40

and titles and money. And

1:09:44

they are also useful in terms

1:09:46

of marriage alliances. If

1:09:49

you marry the illegitimate daughter of the king, for

1:09:51

example, that's still a leg up. The

1:09:54

fact that she's an illegitimate daughter doesn't really

1:09:56

matter. You're still related by

1:09:58

blood to the crown. And

1:10:01

that means something. And you might be doing the king a

1:10:03

favour, you know. Oh, yes, absolutely.

1:10:06

Although again, I think, you know, that the

1:10:09

illegitimate children could be married off to

1:10:11

other kings, prominent nobles, that they were

1:10:13

still attached, that there wasn't this favour

1:10:15

attached to that. I think that's maybe

1:10:18

something that the Game of Thrones, it

1:10:20

spins the bastardly angle as a

1:10:23

negative and as a defining feature. And

1:10:26

I would say if you're in the lower

1:10:28

classes and you're illegitimate, then yes, that

1:10:30

might have been the case. But

1:10:32

noble bastards and royal

1:10:35

ones actually still had some

1:10:37

currency. Yeah, I think

1:10:39

that's a good question. I

1:10:41

think in Martin's universe, it

1:10:44

might be more influenced by

1:10:46

Shakespeare's bastards than historical bastards.

1:10:50

You know, in Shakespeare, it's very much,

1:10:52

you know, the bastard represents, especially if

1:10:54

it's sort of a male bastard

1:10:57

who might create

1:10:59

complications for the true born

1:11:02

eldest son or something like that, that

1:11:05

that kind of guy is suspicious. Like

1:11:08

you have to be a little bit

1:11:10

suspicious of that sort of fellow because

1:11:12

he might edge his way into political

1:11:14

power and make problems with the family.

1:11:18

Yeah, although I kind

1:11:20

of struggled to think of too many

1:11:22

examples for that was the case. I

1:11:24

think quite a lot of the examples you

1:11:26

have are of illegitimate sons,

1:11:28

for example, who are

1:11:31

quite loyal to their fathers and who

1:11:33

are useful military commanders. I suppose

1:11:35

the problem then is when their

1:11:37

fathers die and then their legitimate

1:11:40

offspring succeed, if

1:11:43

that causes problems between half

1:11:45

brothers. So

1:11:49

what about, I'm just thinking specifically

1:11:51

in terms of like Damon Targaryen,

1:11:53

who has a wife who he

1:11:55

just doesn't like, and he

1:11:58

decides that he's going to take

1:12:01

a paramour and like

1:12:04

just parade her around like just take her

1:12:06

wherever he goes because he gets along with

1:12:08

her. I'm just

1:12:11

wondering would that

1:12:13

is that is that more fantasy than

1:12:15

reality? It seems like that it

1:12:18

seems a little bit I

1:12:20

know it seems a little bit unrealistic that that

1:12:22

would be an option

1:12:25

for someone who is

1:12:27

of high political standing as someone

1:12:29

like that. I

1:12:31

mean maybe taking it slightly further

1:12:33

but not necessarily as much as

1:12:35

you might think. I think you

1:12:38

know there were several and

1:12:40

many open secrets about royal

1:12:43

or noble mistresses and

1:12:45

the fact that open secrets means that

1:12:47

they are largely accepted. I think

1:12:50

where mistresses become

1:12:52

problematic it well is

1:12:54

twofold one is if they start

1:12:56

to increase their

1:12:58

own power or their family's power as a result

1:13:00

of being the mistress of the king or the

1:13:03

lord then that becomes a problem for other nobles

1:13:05

and you get the case of that in England Alice

1:13:08

Perraurs is the famous mistress of

1:13:11

the third in his latter years and

1:13:13

she falls foul of the English establishment

1:13:15

because she makes out quite as

1:13:17

much as she does and is

1:13:20

seen as being dangerous. The same is true in Scotland

1:13:22

David the second his

1:13:24

mistress Catherine Mortimer is actually assassinated

1:13:27

by the Scottish stability because

1:13:29

they feel that she is becoming

1:13:32

too powerful or a family

1:13:34

but that is becoming too powerful. It's

1:13:36

intruding on their interests and

1:13:38

that's when it becomes a danger. I

1:13:40

think if you're there and

1:13:43

you just happen to put your knot

1:13:45

out for yourself if you're not expanding

1:13:47

the interests of your family then you're less than correct.

1:14:00

The. No.

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Mm. Yeah.