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Welcome to Horror Cinema Obsession. Here, we dive deep into the chilling depths of horror cinema.

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From the critically acclaimed scares, to the laughably ludicrous,

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and even the delightfully obscure.

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Now, let's join our hosts, Richard and Angelus, as they share their love,

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laughs, and sometimes sheer disbelief at the world of horror movies.

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Alright, alright. How is things going? How is my beautiful co-host?

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Things is going good. How are you? How are you on this fine evening?

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I'm doing great, despite the movie we had to endure this week, but... What?

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I digress. But, no, I'm doing good. This week was kind of long for me,

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but, you know, I got through it.

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I slogged through the work week. Oh. Job. Yeah.

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Nothing too exciting, nothing too high, nothing too low. How about you? It was another week.

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Nothing crazy. And another one. And another one. I fucking hate DJ Khaled.

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Sorry. My bad. No, no. So your day, your week, it was just kind of eh?

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It was stress. It was busy. You were stressed? It was like two steps forward,

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four steps back at times, but.

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Damn. Friday's over. It's Friday. Thank goodness.

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Yep. TGIF, baby. Thank God it's Friday.

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Yeah, no, I'm excited. I'm excited for the weekend. We might go to Sasquatch

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Fest. Shout out Medellín Falls. And then... I'm trying to get Angelos to be a believer.

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And she's just not digging Sasquatch. It's crazy.

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What is the lore that you grew up with? La Llorona.

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Oh, dang. Yours is more intense. El Chupacabras. Oh, the Chupacabra.

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Okay. The things that'll eat your face and just like... No, chupacabra sucks your blood. Dang.

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Specifically goat's blood. That's why it's called a chupacabra. It's a goat sucker.

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Oh, well, who cares? That's what it translates to. Oh, okay.

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And then the most terrifying thing ever is la llorona.

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And I'll come and take you little children. Ooh. Mm-hmm. Okay.

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Okay, cool. Cool. so la

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llorona beats sasquatch i guess that's intense

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sasquatch yeah he can be a little scary and i

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think he hides a lot i think he's camera shy yeah he

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was a little bit anti-social they have a whole tv show sasquatch hunters or

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what are they called uh squatch hunters something oh my gosh do you remember

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that video i sent you on youtube about this very dedicated people that go looking

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for Sasquatch and then Andrew. It used to be called All Guys Know Breaks, a YouTube channel.

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Now he has his own channel at Channel 5 News on YouTube.

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Yeah. But there was a whole interview with looking for Sasquatch and it was freaking to die for.

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That's funny. Mmm. I'll have to re-watch it.

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Watched that a long time ago. Yeah. I watch it at least once every few months.

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And it makes you laugh? It does. It makes me teehee.

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Guys, I apologize. I'm a little distracted. Dogs are barking outside.

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I'm hoping someone that's in the house is going to let them in because they know we're recording.

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But bear with me if you hear it in the background. It's a little annoying.

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It's high pitch. But hey, it's okay. We're rolling with it. Hopefully, we can edit that out. Are you done with your

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diva moment? We are, yeah. Just rules, man. And I don't ask for much. I don't ask for much. You don't ask for much?

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Yeah, you do. No. You lion's sack of potatoes. Whatever. Hey.

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What? A big thing this week. Papa Jose. I met him.

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You did and you survived. I know. I was so intimidated. The guy's a legend.

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He's so chill. You told me like balling things about him. He's just a legend, man.

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So I was like intimidated to meet him. But super nice guy.

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I mean, it was funny. He's like, I introduced myself. He's like,

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no, I'm Blaine Gray. He's like, just so you know.

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I'm like, I figured. We're shaking hands. But if you say anything else. Good guy, though. Good guy. And then,

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of course, to top it off, Maria's cooking. Amazing.

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Amazing. How do you feel about this, like, biweekly family dinners that are happening?

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Biweekly? Dude, it's weekly almost daily. I'm like, goddamn. Goddamn.

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I'm like, I got to make every dinner you guys live out in the middle of nowhere.

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It takes like a day and a half to travel. It takes 20 minutes.

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No, it's worth it every time. I like eating the food. No, it was cool.

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We got to mingle, and then, yeah, I was stoked.

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I'm officially in the family. I got to meet your grandma, and I met your grandpa. I know. There you go.

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Big deal. Big deal. Big deal. Who's next? I don't know. You tell me.

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I don't know. I'll drag you to Moses Lake and do another huge family reunion

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and just put you on the spot. So stressful.

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I'm kidding. Dude, the thing is, it wouldn't be as bad, but you have to literally

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introduce yourself to everybody, shake everybody's hand, acknowledge everybody. It's the culture.

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Acknowledge everybody when you get there and then when you leave.

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It's like, fuck, man, I just want to roll out. I'm an introvert.

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Nope you gotta spend like 20 minutes telling everyone it was great to see you

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I know so you gotta plan like let's say you're trying to leave around 6,

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you gotta start planning like oh 4.30 I better start saying my goodbyes an hour and a half,

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you're gonna do a recap of the entire day maybe maybe.

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Vianna told me the rundown. She's like, oh, dude, it's going to take forever.

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I'm like, oh, shit. And she wasn't joking. Dramas. That was hilarious. Anyways, before we get to the movie that we're covering,

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a little bit of business to get through. We're putting business on the front.

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Oh, yeah. Party in the back, baby. Woo-woo.

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Raising hell, praising Dale. Woo-wee.

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Anyways, do you want to talk about it? I talk about it?

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Just a reminder we have like a week two

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is oh shit man we are rolling a dozen a dozen okay cool well with that being

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said let's wrap that up let's close that tab Tab,

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what movie are we covering this week?

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So we put out a poll a couple weeks ago.

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We gave four options, and the majority ruled it follows 2014. Okay.

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Rated R. Yeah. The STD demon. Yeah, ST demon.

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So I never seen this movie. I know about the movie.

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Every time I went there, it was just not an opportunity. Every time I'd go to

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watch it, someone I'd be hanging out with would be like, oh,

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no, I don't want to watch that. I don't want to do that.

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I'm like, what the fuck? So every time it was just a missed opportunity.

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But this time i'm glad that it

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got voted or else i probably wouldn't have picked it and

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we probably wouldn't have watched it so what were your initial thoughts and

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when did you see this first i watched this a few years ago and it was not my

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favorite i coming in hot it was not the first time i watched it it was not my

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favorite i was like i don't know i was expecting more to be scared more I don't know.

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I had heard about what it was. I guess it was mostly curiosity.

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And it was meh. And then I rewatched it again this week. Twice.

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How did you feel about it? With fresh adult. With fresh. I was an adult when this came out.

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Well, older adult eyes. Older adult eyes.

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Same-ish. And then I did a little bit of research.

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Saw what the director was kind of going for. And I was like, okay, okay, okay.

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Give him a little bit more credit for the movie but i don't know i'm conflicted by the reviews and,

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what i watched okay so i'm glad i'm not the only one this movie it's for me

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initially when i watch this it's a taker to leave it for me like is it terrible

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no is it good i'd be hard pressed to say It's good.

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All I'm saying, it's middle of the road. It's meh. Now, I will say,

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initially, watching this, it is beautifully shot. I love the wide-angle lens.

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I love the retroness that it's using. I love the music.

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That they used at times it was jarring and very

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effective so there's elements

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to this movie that i really like but that

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being said it's not enough to get me over the hump like this i can't express

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that enough like everybody like this is like people were praising this movie

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everything i read people still praise it i'm the odd man out on this it sounds

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like you are too this movie is a modern

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-day piece of shit. Whoa!

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We covered Friday the 13th, Part 7, New Blood last week. We covered Critters 3.

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This just is that kind of level, but with a new sheen on it. It's just modern.

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So I don't know. For me, I'm not going to say it's an all-out piece of shit.

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It is in the middle of the road, is what I'm saying. This is Richard's opinion.

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It's middle of the road for me i don't even care i

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just that's me i and i watched this movie two and

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a half times and it was just i think this

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movie is one of those like there's

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no movies where you hear the premise the theme and what it is and it's like

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curiosity watch it like get it out of the way see what the fuzz is about and

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then kind of you know move on from there i can see after doing my research why

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some people are so hyped up about it.

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I think also the problem, you and I have watched so many scary movies that are

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way more gruesome than this. So this like specific topic and the way that this movie carried on.

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It wasn't so... We're desensitized. It was a little bit more slower,

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and there wasn't as much. So that's kind of the thing initially, and we'll talk about it more,

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obviously. But the pacing of this movie, for me, was terrible.

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The pacing was not there. I get it. I have ADD. I'm fast-paced.

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Boom, boom, boom, boom. I'm always like that, right?

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Mm-hmm. But even a movie, a slower-paced movie, can be good if it's deep.

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Deep this is very surfacy though this is

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not deep the characters are not

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like you don't get in depth with the characters you get

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like jay the lead character yeah you get more of her but the rest of the cast

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you got nothing which is fucking crazy so it's not about them i just i don't

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know we'll we'll we'll break this down and we'll have a little bit more into

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it but yeah initially Initially, I'm in the middle of the road. This is meh.

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But that being said, doesn't mean it can't be a good podcast.

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So please listen. Don't tune out. Don't listen to Richard.

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It's going to be a great episode. Or both of us. No, I don't think it's a pile of poopoo. Pile of shit?

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No, I think it deserves its roses, as Richard would say. Deserves its roses? Yeah.

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It definitely has its targeted audience, and I don't think that we're it.

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No yeah i yeah i guess yeah

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yeah yeah okay well that

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being said this movie it

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had a production budget of approximately one to

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two million so not much at all in today's standards but the film did gross around

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20.6 million worldwide it was quite successful given its modest budget and garnered

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a lot of critical acclaim for its originality and atmosphere so again this was released in 2014.

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Still one to two million ain't shit considering like

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like friday the 13th wasn't that made for like seven million

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i think so yeah i mean like this didn't

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get a budget at all which is amazing and how

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they shot this was really good and just the

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visuals were great so i thought they did a pretty good job there with the budget

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yeah so initially it was released it had a limited release but again due to

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his success it got a wide attraction yeah so along with this one.

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What we're i'll just lead off and you can cover the horror movies that came

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out but the biggest movie and the biggest draw of 2014 the blockbuster was uh

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transformers age Age of Extinction.

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Now, is that the third one? Oh, that was like the fourth or fifth,

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probably. I think that was the third one.

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With Shia LaBeouf, it was like the last, wasn't it?

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Maybe not. I have to see what the cover looks like. Yeah, I can't remember.

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Maybe it is with Mark Wahlberg. I can't remember.

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But yeah, no. And that one grossed $1.1 billion globally.

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That's fucking insane. That is insane. Did you watch it? Oh,

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yeah. I've seen all the Transformers. I'm a nerd. Oh.

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Oh. Did you watch the cartoon, too? Yeah, 1986. It came out.

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I loved it when I was a child. And the cartoon series was good, too. Anyways, what are some notable horror

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movies that were released in 2014 alongside of this movie?

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There's a lot of movies, horror movies that came out in 2014.

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Mm-hmm. The Babadook. Okay. Apparently it traumatized Vienna to this movie.

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Have you watched it yet? You guys always kind of put it on.

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You haven't finished watching it. No. So I don't have an absolute opinion about

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it. I just, for whatever reason, like, either I'm going to bed or,

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like, there's something else happening. You can't, no. I think last time you told me I'm not awake because you wanted

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to cover it on the podcast. Oh, so that was the very last time. Yeah. So would you shut it down?

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Another movie that came out was Creep. Okay. Annabelle.

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Oh, Annabelle. That's a big one. A lot of people like that one.

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And then I liked it. I thought it was creepy. Yeah.

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Yeah. so dismissive the taking of deborah logan i still have yet to watch dexter's

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sister and the show dexter the trailer and it looks pretty good and then we also have.

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What we do in the shadows okay the last shift and then tusk and then tusk wait

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wait wait i know movie So 2014,

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this year was kind of a poor man year for me. I was very poor.

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So I think this explains why I haven't seen a lot of these movies.

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But I was young, struggling.

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I didn't have a budget. Oh, you couldn't go to the movie theaters? Huh?

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You weren't going to the mobile theaters? The one I know for a fact that I've

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seen in the theaters was Deliverance from Evil.

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And that was with Eric Bana. so i

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did watch that one and actually you know what i enjoy that movie

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i watched it recently it's not as good as i thought it was back in the day but

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i remember that one specifically delivers from evil and i think i might have

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seen the purge anarchy but i'm not 100 sure okay because there's so many of

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them now i just yeah i remember seeing one in the theater where she's like,

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There's a lady running for mayor or some shit, and they end up killing all the

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people at the table, like the head, the people.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember that. I've seen that one in theaters.

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I don't know which one that was. I've watched some of these movies on the list.

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None necessarily from the movie theater, just either rentals or streaming.

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You missed another one, too, Oculus. Oh, that one was good, too. Oh, okay. So you watched a lot of these.

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2014 was your wheelhouse? Yeah, and some of them just by making a trip down to the good old Garland.

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Garland Theater, really? Yeah. Oh, shit.

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Gotta save those bucks. Not even my poor ass could go to the Garland Theater, dude.

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I don't know. Whatever. That year was a struggle for me. I don't know why.

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I just remember 2014 hating life. I was like, fuck.

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I was in between jobs. I was just working. just

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working i think i was working at a window place and

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then a steel foundry in between it sucked so i didn't really have much of a

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life i was working swing shift you're busy yeah that's pretty much busy and

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not making much um so very notable in that regard so who is privileged now Not me.

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I was going to the cheap movie theater. Oh, God damn it.

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Okay, so that's pretty cool. I have some fun facts about 2014 as well. Throw them.

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I was kind of interested in. Oh, okay. So if you remember, if everybody can

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go to the way, way back. 10 years ago. The Ice Bucket Challenge was born. It was a viral campaign to raise awareness.

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And funds for als nice but then it

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just kind of took a turn of its own it kind of

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lost the als part and people are just dumping buckets on

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their heads for years dude like that went on

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for fucking like three years that long i swear to god because they were there

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was people doing it that i worked with the job i'm at now they did it like and

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i was there i got hired there at like the end or mid-2015,

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and they were doing it, and it was like 2016.

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Did you partake? I never did.

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Nice bucket challenge. It's weird. Another thing was Frozen Phenomenon. It came out the year before.

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Oh, really? But Frozen took off. It did. Yeah, sing a song.

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Let it go. Let it go.

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Can't hold me back anymore. See?

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So the, what's her fucking name? Olaf? No, not Olaf. Olaf is adorable.

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Did Vienna get into this? She did. We were going to the movie theaters to see Frozen. Her and Bella.

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Oh, shit. shit once yeah i took them

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both to see i think the second one yeah i don't

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know if we made it to the third one do you got pictures of

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her in her frozen outfit no she never did the

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dress up my niece did more of the dress up but the elsa

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braid very popular because i learned how to do it so i

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would do side uh french braids

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on them you gotta show me pictures and they were like and

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at times when they were fighting about doing their hair i'm like do you want

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to look like elsa and they were like yes oh my

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god hey also so that's the frozen experience

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along with that i think frozen had something

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to do with it but social media growth instagram hit

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300 million users in 2014 they were

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taken off surpassing twitter yeah and then another this one that i personally

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I remember the Ebola outbreak in West Africa reached its peak in 2014,

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leading to a global health crisis and extensive international response. I remember the news.

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Oh, dude, yeah. Ebola was huge. And then...

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The last thing that I remember, because I do remember seeing this one in theaters,

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too. Marvel Cinematic Universe.

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Guardians of the Galaxy came out. Oh, my gosh. My favorite. That is my favorite

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Marvel movie. I love that. The first one? Yeah.

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Vienna. Oh, my God. So we had an online streaming account of some sort,

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because it was still fairly new, right? Streaming.

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And I had my fucking debit card saved on there. and we were getting ready to

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go do something and I came back into my bedroom and Vienna's watching Guardians of the Galaxy.

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And I was like, whoa, where did this come from? She straight up purchased.

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Oh, shit. The movie was like $27. So I was like, I'm down the rabbit hole.

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I was like, how do I lock this so she doesn't keep buying movies?

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Dude, oh my God. I've had kids do that.

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Like on my Xbox or whatever, this buying shit. My niece bought a fart.

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A pack from amazon on my alexa oh

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my god i woke up one day to a receipt and it

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was like thank you for your purchase for your fart pack and i came out she was

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having a sleepover at my house and i was like dude what did you do she's like

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listen to this i mean all you hear is fart noises she thought it was the funniest

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thing i don't think she's ever used it again oh my god um we own fart

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noises she probably doesn't remember it i bet you she doesn't that's hilarious,

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all right to get back to it that was the fun facts sorry

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guys i got derailed when i was doing my research so the

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cast how did you feel about this cast i only recognize one person from this

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cast who's that i can't i'm gonna butcher his name care gills gilchrist yep

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care gilchrist Yeah, he plays the character of Paul. Mm-hmm.

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Only because I watched them on Atypical. Oh, yeah, you got to show me that show.

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It's on Netflix, right? It's on Netflix, and I love that show.

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And then I also saw him on Heartthrob and The Good Neighbor. So I recognize his face.

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Dang, he's your guy, huh? Yeah. So, okay. And you think he was casted right? Yeah.

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I think it was. And I wasn't asking you if you recognized.

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I was saying how you felt about the kid. No, I said I felt good.

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I said I only recognized. I don't know. I didn't recognize any of the other actors on here except for the kid.

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So that can kind of be a good thing. I think it played a good thing for this movie.

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And we got to remember, this thing only had a budget of like $2 million. Yeah.

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But, dude, a lot of times, especially in the, I feel like now,

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nowadays, days well just i guess cinema and

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in its entirety you go through runs where you

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notice the same people like the chris hemsworth of

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the world acting and everything the jake gyllenhaals and

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everything you ever notice that like sometimes i

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get bored of movies because i'm like it's just another tom

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cruise movie like so i like

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the fact that there was nobody i ever i

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didn't notice to see anybody in this movie i i didn't at all

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but i do like the cast i think

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the cast was good just the

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material was a little uh if that makes

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sense so our lead character is how

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do you say makai maika maika monroe

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yeah she plays jay height and then so her

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notable filmography is the guest

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that i've never seen i did see independence day

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resurgence but i don't remember her

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and then hot summer nights i've heard of villains

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and then greta 2018 and then you said she was she's in an upcoming movie and

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then she's in something else right so she is going to be the lead actress and

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another horror movie called long legs that's coming out with nicholas cage yeah

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Comes out this year, and then, spoiler,

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there's going to be a sequel to this movie. It's going to be called They Follow.

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They're starting to work on it, and the director said that she'll be back for

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this, and it's expected to release sometime in 2025.

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Weird, okay. Yeah, so...

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Yeah, with her, yeah, this is kind of where she got her start,

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right? Yeah, I think so. It looks like this and the guest.

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Yeah, she was also in The Watcher, The Stranger, which is a TV show.

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Oh, you know where else we saw her? And I did not put together that it was her

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until I started looking at her credits.

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Significant Other, it's a show on Paramount. Remember, it's a couple and they

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go camping in the middle of the woods. Oh, shit, that's her? And she gets possessed by this thing that she finds in

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the woods. That's not her, is it? It is her. And she kills her husband. Seriously? Yeah, that's her.

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Dang. I didn't even recognize her. Wow. Wow.

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It's just, maybe she, and this is going to sound like I'm a dickhead,

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but maybe she just has a face that's like, maybe she just has a face that's

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like, it's just a normal face.

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You know what I mean? It's not recognizable. Hey, I got the same face.

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You wouldn't point me out in a crowd. I wouldn't. I'd be like,

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that's my adorable Richard. No, you wouldn't. like just another white guy with a

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beard but no that being said she didn't do bad i thought she was fine in this

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movie yeah and then like you said we have care gilchrist and his his filmography

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is it's kind of a funny story in 2010 united states of tara oh i love that show never seen it.

27:17

Atypical and then dark summer and then the good neighbor and he was good in all these or what,

27:25

I really liked, he's a man, he's a lead character in a typical,

27:28

he plays a high schooler with autism, so just learning to navigate daily life.

27:34

Okay. Heartthrob, he plays, he dates a girl and then he becomes kind of creepily

27:39

obsessed, so the creepy dude in the movies. Yeah, the loner type.

27:44

And then The Good Neighbor, I really liked him there. He was also,

27:48

I haven't watched this yet, it's on my watch list, Love and Death,

27:51

which is a TV show with Elizabeth Olsen.

27:54

Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So moving on to the next one, this guy,

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I thought he did a pretty good job. Daniel Zavato.

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He played Greg Hannigan in this movie.

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And then his notable filmography is Don't Breathe, 2016, Lady Bird,

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17, Penny Dreadful, City of Angels.

28:17

I do remember him in, my guess, maybe a little bit.

28:22

But that was a series that got canceled, I think. Heavy in 2019 and Newness in 2017.

28:30

He was, I know you, have you watched The Pope's Exorcist? Yeah,

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he's in that. He was in that too. Oh shit, is he the priest?

28:38

No, he, or I don't, I didn't look to see what character he played.

28:42

I just saw he was on The Pope's Exorcist. Ooh, I gotta rewatch that.

28:46

Now, I don't like the movie, but like, hey, that puts a whole new thing in there.

28:50

That'd be cool. And then he was in one or two episodes, or I can't remember

28:54

how many, of Fear the Walking Dead. Oh, shit. Really? Does he get eaten by a zombie? Probably. Is he zombie number 3,000? I don't know.

29:03

Okay. Might be a zombie. Yeah.

29:06

And then, so we have another person who I feel like I should know who she is, Olivia Licardi.

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She plays Yara, and she's in Orange is the New Black, The Deuce, Channel Zero,

29:19

Butcher's block go slash don't go

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and money monster so i

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again i don't know i recognized her

29:28

from one thing orange isn't he black no the thing about pam it's another true

29:32

crime show the thing that i even list off uh-huh i didn't even list that show

29:38

oh really yeah i recognize her from there okay cool so this This cast is more

29:44

of a, you're out, you recognize them. So the actor that plays Kelly Height, Jay's sister, little sister, Lily Sepe, she's in it.

29:59

She was in Spork, The Intruders, and The Perfect Daughter.

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Now, do you recognize her in anything else that I did list? I didn't recognize

30:08

her, but I did see that she was also in Popstar, a Lonely Island movie.

30:13

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And she was also in Lizzie McGuire. She played young Lizzie McGuire back in

30:20

2002. Oh, fuck. Really? Yeah. Dang.

30:24

So, fun little fact about their character names of Jay and Kelly.

30:29

The director threw a little flowers at Halloween.

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So, he named the main character Jay. Oh. Sure for Jamie Lee Curtis.

30:40

And apparently, Jamie Lee Curtis has a little sister whose name is Kelly Curtis.

30:45

So, that's why he named Kelly. Kelly.

30:48

Yeah, like siblings. Okay, cool. Fascinating. I like that. Interesting tidbit. bit so the

30:54

last character we have is jake the guy who

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plays hugh slash jeff redmond again

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he doesn't ring any bells to me but

31:04

i do recognize some of the work he's been in as the world turns animal kingdom

31:09

zombievers i i know this one i've seen it on streamers i never watched it pretty

31:15

little liars and then he was in it chapter two but i don't i don't remember

31:20

him in that i don't remember I remember him in there. I saw he's also supposed to be in an upcoming show of The Walking Dead, Dead City.

31:27

Oh, shit. How many spinoffs are they going to have of that show? I don't know. So, yeah.

31:33

I would say the biggest star of this show in terms of mainstream recognition

31:39

and career impact would be Micah Monroe. Yeah.

31:44

Wouldn't you? Micah, more mainstream. And then Kier Gilchrist,

31:49

I think he does a little bit more of the indie films, which I think he does

31:54

a pretty good job at him. Yeah. And then, so the director of this movie is David Robert Mitchell.

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He is also the writer of this movie, too, which... And producer.

32:09

Did you see that? And producer. so i feel like

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this he's a man of all

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trades right he did it all but i feel like maybe

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a little bit more help on this movie would have

32:21

took this over the top well he only had a million dollars one to two million

32:26

so i had to kind of do it all yeah so yeah a little bit on him he was born october

32:31

19th and 74 in clausen michigan which kind of makes sense for the movie because

32:37

its Its roots are in Michigan, right? So the movie takes place in Detroit.

32:42

And then, so Mitchell started his career making short films before moving on

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to feature-length projects. His work often combines elements of horror, mystery, and surrealism,

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and he has been praised for his ability to create tension and mood in his films.

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Films and his filmography that i could find he doesn't have much but the myth

33:08

of the american sleepover the synopsis of that is a coming-of-age drama that

33:14

follows a group of teenagers during the last night of summer obviously this

33:18

movie it follows and then under the silver lake,

33:22

so have you seen any of those feature films

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he has short films also have you seen any anything

33:28

really from this guy other than this movie just it

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follows yeah so yeah this is the only movie that i've saw of his now i'm i might

33:40

venture out and look at these but again from the explanations of it like the

33:44

myth of the american sleepover i just feel like it's not my not made for me,

33:50

this you know day and age where i'm you know it's just not my timing yeah but

33:56

so mitchell's work is characterized by its atmospheric style,

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attention to detail, and exploration of themes related to adolescence,

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paranoia, and the supernatural. So, It Follows remains his most widely recognized film, contributing significantly

34:13

to his reputation as a talented director in the horror genre.

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For me okay it gets your foot in

34:22

the door but i need to see more

34:25

from you but like the horror this this gets

34:28

you in the horror door but i think you could do so

34:30

much better than this movie i'll be interested to see

34:33

you know since i mean again this movie

34:36

maybe it wasn't for us but it does

34:39

have an audience so i'll be interested to see

34:42

what they follow looks like maybe he'll get a better budget maybe

34:45

he'll get more help and see what it looks like

34:48

he does have another movie that's in the works that

34:51

kind of caught my eye just because of the names that are going

34:54

to be in here it's going to be called flower veil

34:57

street it's in post-production i found that

35:01

it's like a sci-fi anne hathaway and

35:04

when my gregor are going to be in it and they're at the

35:07

moment keeping the plot kind of on the wraps

35:10

and secret yeah okay that sounds

35:13

very cool see i would give it a shot i'm not against this

35:17

guy or with this guy he just needs to do a little more

35:20

to convince me so this movie though definitely i was curious to see what its

35:27

influences are you brought up the influence of halloween how he named jane kelly

35:33

after jamie lee curtis and her sister this movie though So I was looking at it.

35:39

He is heavily influenced by John Carpenter.

35:43

So like Halloween was a big one. The film's use of suburban settings and slow

35:49

building tension and the concept of unstoppable force.

35:53

That's all elements of Halloween. And It Follows has that to a T.

35:59

And also the way it's shot. The long takes, the wide angle shots, and the haunting score.

36:04

So I think he really did. this was his you know his kissed halloween yeah but

36:11

also it does have a hint of wes craven in it too like nightmare on elm street

36:15

that supernatural relentlessness dreamlike,

36:21

pursuit of a of a threat that's always lurking is something that's in this movie

36:26

as well which can be halloween also but also it has elements of the thing again

36:34

directed by john John Carpenter, which what it takes out of that is the sense of paranoia, paranoia,

36:40

and the idea of entity that can take different forms.

36:44

So that's heavy in this movie too. The two movies that I see more so than nightmare

36:49

are Halloween and the thing. Then also you have the shining, you have a little bit of Kubrick in there with

36:55

the wide angle again, and then what the right one in the atmospheric approach

37:00

to the horror and the focus on character relationships.

37:04

It's pretty cool. And then one that it was kind of subtle for me,

37:07

but I was looking at it more and more. I don't know if you've ever seen this movie because it's older. It's called Cat People.

37:13

No. So it was made in 1942.

37:17

Its influence on this, you can tell the use of shadow and suggestion to create

37:21

fear rather than explicit horror. So your imagination. So Jaws, the Cat People.

37:27

It's just a minimalist approach to horror relying on atmosphere and imagination.

37:33

Imagination so i i honestly from what i've seen i think cat people was a heavy

37:38

influence in this too you've got your big three cat people the thing and halloween

37:44

okay definitely what do you think,

37:47

sure all great oh you're not gonna contribute okay no i don't know okay i just i got a lot of

37:56

that i don't know i was i was drawing a lot of comparisons on

37:59

giant comparisons with the

38:03

thing and hey kubrick and so i got a question oh lordy lord here we go do you

38:11

know what the thing is it's an alien okay extraterrestrial have you seen it

38:18

before the thing yeah i've watched it a couple

38:22

times oh okay once by my lonesome

38:25

without your influence and another time with you now do you

38:28

know who the villain is in halloween michael myers

38:33

okay okay what else i was just whoa croc face dude no that is not michael myers

38:43

bro that's jason i know i'm saying and then there's croc face oh my god kill kill kill kill.

38:50

Okay, cool. I'm just testing you. Just testing you. Also, I guess additional inspirations too.

38:57

Just to kind of round this out that I kind of noticed, he is heavily influenced

39:01

in 1970s and 1980s horror.

39:04

The overall aesthetic and style of the horror films from these decades influenced

39:08

the look and the feel of It Follows.

39:12

And then David Lynch will not explicitly stated the surreal and dreamlike quality

39:17

of Lynch's work, Such as Blue Velvet and Mulholland Drive can be felt in this

39:22

film's unsettling atmosphere and ambiguous narrative,

39:26

as well as George Romero, too, known for his work for The Night of the Living Dead, right?

39:32

Well, The Influence and It Falls blends social commentary with horror elements.

39:37

So it really blends that stuff together the growing

39:40

coming of age being a young teenage teenager and

39:44

then obviously with like the

39:47

sex and everything it just blends it really well yeah i

39:51

did see that he really played around with

39:54

different themes throughout the movie yeah to kind

39:57

of mess with time when like era

40:00

when this was actually taking place displays you see

40:03

a lot of like you said some vintage items placement in

40:07

the throughout the movie like the tea like the movies that

40:10

they watch at times so the movies i noticed because it's kind of give and take

40:14

so i noticed a lot of it so the movies were a big one the tvs were vintage and

40:24

then you had like the cars being vintage but also you had some new ones that

40:28

blend there and then you have with the girl it was imaginary i tried to look

40:32

this up that little kindle thing she's reading the clamshell is fake that is

40:38

not a real product you didn't know that.

40:41

Or what do you mean? It's not a real product. Oh, I know it's not a real product.

40:45

You're telling me you looked at it and you're like, oh, that shit's not real.

40:48

You thought about that? What, that it wasn't real? Yeah. Yeah,

40:51

I've never seen that before. I've never seen it either, but it's believable. It could happen.

40:56

It looks like an e-reader, like those fire e-read things, but it's in a...

41:02

It's in like a makeup box type of thing. Yeah, it's a compact.

41:05

Yeah, I thought that was kind of a cool concept, but it kind of mixed that retro with the technology.

41:10

I have a little bit on it once we go through the

41:13

scene by scene most some references that i

41:16

found of kind of where the idea for that came from and

41:20

yeah like you mentioned yeah everything throughout the movie that you see a

41:24

lot of the stuff that they see on tv it's again vintage era 1950s black and

41:29

white monster movies i saw online that you know they were just making comments

41:34

to like i mentioned him just kind of playing with time and placements like like you

41:39

said some of the movie it has that dreamy feel to it there were some scenes

41:45

where it felt like it was summer sometimes it felt like it was fall sometimes i felt like it was spring.

41:52

Again yeah and like you mentioned some of the cars yeah it was just timeless

41:55

it was a he you really can't pinpoint the time like you didn't know it was 2014

42:01

or you it could have been 1990 it could have been 2014 to be honest with you

42:06

you just couldn't see you couldn't tell he did a really good job of blending the two. Yeah.

42:12

Clothing was another thing that I saw, just because of what they're wearing at times.

42:18

Blending in with the weather, you know, at times they're wearing coats, or J-was at times.

42:24

Yeah, boots, coats. And other times they're wearing, like, in a swimsuit.

42:27

Yeah, exactly. And then in a pool. Like, I know global warming's bad,

42:32

but not that bad. Jesus Christ. But, okay, so that kind of rounds out the cast and director.

42:41

Do you like the director then?

42:44

I'm interested to see what else. I'm going to say I'm impressed he wore all

42:49

of his hats and he did all of this, you know, for the movie that he made and

42:54

the reception that he got from,

42:56

obviously, the fans that the movie has. Well, yeah, it's renowned.

43:00

Yeah, I'm impressed, too, and respect for doing it. God knows,

43:04

like, I couldn't create something like this. And like you said, beautiful shots. It really was, but that goes to the cinematographer.

43:12

Whoever you hired for that, I didn't look that up, but amazing job also. Amazing job.

43:18

Well, do you want to go to break real quick and then we'll come back with the plot?

43:23

Oh, sure. I'm excited to hear your plot this week. All right.

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Yeah babe that's all i'm saying big dick energy you gotta have that you gotta

44:57

bring it it is big I know your energy's good I'm kind of sporadic This is just

45:03

your personality You're up and you're down And you're in,

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And you're back And whoa, I'm the fact lady Okay I like it No you don't Yes I do You're not satisfied

45:19

I think you're great Yes I think you're great I think I'm great too Thank you

45:22

very much Yep you're the talent I'm not the talent Ha ha ha ha ha.

45:28

Welcome back, guys. We were just talking about it. About how I don't bring enthusiasm

45:35

into this. I never said this.

45:37

She's taking this way over the top. No, that's all I heard.

45:41

I was just gauging. The beginning of this episode, I feel like we were a little bit meh.

45:46

You were meh. Maybe it just, I don't know. Maybe it was my headset or something.

45:51

I think so. It's late for you. No, it's not. It's 930.

45:57

You pay me out to be this old fucking man

46:00

you're not old but sometimes well sometimes

46:04

i do go so during the weekdays i do like

46:07

to go to bed at a decent time because guys i

46:11

go to work at a decent time so i like to go to bed so if i go to bed at 9 30

46:17

quit busting my balls you're not busting your balls you stay up all night i

46:22

don't know how you operate on three hours of sleep that shit's insane i don't

46:26

i just do i do what i gotta do you're amazing you're amazing i need a full eight,

46:31

sometimes nine sometimes ten sometimes ten fuck dude i like sleeping okay i

46:37

know sometimes you just look oh my god richard there's a really cool exciting

46:41

thing happen and no response and i'm like Like, oh,

46:45

it's night time for Richie.

46:47

Just know, past 9.30, it's like hit or miss.

46:51

I know. I'm surprised whenever you do respond and it's like 10.40, 11. I'm like, oh, shit.

47:00

Like, this week, if I did respond, it was because I was working on our project.

47:05

The project? Yeah. I love the project. Yeah, me too.

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47:37

Also for hire. If you guys want me to, if you want to hire me to write out a script, I will.

47:41

Richard is the creative mind. The creative brain. She gives me too much credit.

47:47

We're starting to sound like the horror show. Too much praise, man. Too much praise. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

47:53

I'm kidding. We love you guys. We love you guys.

47:57

Anyways, do we want to close this tab and get back to the movie?

48:00

It follows a 2014 blockbuster.

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Yeah. Did you take the time? Did you even have time to write your own plot?

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I did. You did? Mm-hmm. My Atlanta.

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Did you? Give it to me, bubba. No, I want to hear yours first.

48:19

Why do I got to fucking go first? Because I want to hear your copy-pasted bullshit. I didn't copy-paste it.

48:25

No, I want to hear it. Your last one was really good. So you won the last one.

48:29

I won the last one? it was humorous it was funny mine was more straight i feel

48:33

like it was sarcastic i liked it that was hilarious okay for this week i this

48:41

one it took me a little more to the other one just came to me i was like baloney but here it goes.

48:49

The ultimate date from hell. A young woman goes on a date that would change her life forever.

48:55

What she thinks is the start of a new romance ends with the ultimate extreme

48:59

rare case of STD, sexually transmitted demon, telling the precautionary tale

49:06

of you never truly know who you're meeting.

49:08

As a result of her date, with the help of her friends, J finds herself conflicted.

49:14

Deciding on the best way to fight for her life while putting her morals on the line.

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Oh that's pretty

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good i like it so here's my version you're

49:26

very serious professional version in it

49:29

follows a young woman named jay finds herself plagued

49:33

by terrifying supernatural force after a

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seemingly innocent romantic encounter as

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she and her friends try to unravel the mystery and

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find a way to escape the relentless entity they discover that the only way to

49:48

stay safe is to keep moving this chilling tale blends psychological horror with

49:53

a haunting atmosphere creating a sensual and unforgettable experience beautiful

49:59

professional to that point so again

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guys let us know what what one you like please comment um on any platform youtube

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spotify itunes wherever man we want to hear the comment and tell us if you like

50:15

professional plots or Or sarcastic plots. We're both amateurs, guys.

50:19

But yeah, even tear us new ones. Or send us your version of the plot.

50:23

Yeah, send us a good plot that, in your own words, how do you feel about this?

50:28

Yeah, that would be awesome. We'll read it on the next episode.

50:32

So yeah, this movie definitely hits a movie.

50:35

You said Jason was the king of abstinence. I think this thing definitely punishes

50:41

you. How did we manage to cover two abstinence sexual prevention movies back to back?

50:47

Because it's the ultimate trope in horror.

50:51

You have sex, you get murdered. Like, that's what happens. Damn.

50:55

I know. Isn't that fucked up? Abstinence.

50:59

So, I was going to ask you. Oh, shit. In this movie, in this movie.

51:05

What? I'm so insecure of your questions. No, it's not bad.

51:09

So in this movie what character do

51:12

you identify best with best um i

51:19

probably the sister kelly kelly but although i want to be more like yara i just

51:26

not give a fuck and if i can read my mind my business and read my book oh shit

51:31

that's cool but i have to carry me like let me help you Yeah.

51:36

What about you? I don't know. What do you think?

51:40

Um, maybe Greg. You just don't scare easy.

51:48

Yeah, call bullshit. Yeah. It's not real.

51:52

Yeah. But I'm a softie in the end. You're a softie. So who would you say you are?

51:59

What I'd want to be would be Greg. Who I would be would probably be desperate-ass Paul.

52:06

Like a little puppy. Yeah. Yeah, I'd be that fucking guy. God damn it.

52:14

I feel like his character is so fucking desperate in this movie. He doesn't even care.

52:19

He's going to take an STD, even though he knows what's the outcome.

52:24

He's like, fuck it, I don't care. Ride me.

52:28

That's what it is. Dude, I'm sorry, but bro, come on. I know you work at an

52:33

ice cream shop and things aren't going maybe as well as you want.

52:38

And you've had this crush on this girl forever.

52:41

But, dude, now is not the time. She's vulnerable and she has fucking who knows what else.

52:46

She's a cesspool of STDs. Why are you hitting on her when she's fucking fighting for her life?

52:52

I know. It's unfortunate. But come on. Come on. Okay.

52:56

I just it was a little desperate. Some people think, oh, that's heroic what he did. He's desperate.

53:02

To me, I was a little annoyed by him towards the end. Yeah.

53:06

I was like, stop pushing yourself, man.

53:09

Have some fucking dignity and self-respect. Be a fucking man. Well, no, just dignity.

53:16

Have some machismo. You know.

53:21

No? Just respect yourself. Yeah. R-E-S-P-E-C-T. No?

53:27

Was that not the type of energy you wanted, Richard?

53:32

Okay. dial it back dial it back no.

53:38

Shit man we let fucking Pandora out of the box oh god damn,

53:43

okay cool oh my god so this is the part of the episode where Angelus unravels

53:53

but we pull it back together we're switching roles last week it was you going

53:59

off the rails I listened back to that episode I was not off the rails.

54:03

I was fucking hitting on all cylinders.

54:06

I know. Like, the wrong cylinders.

54:09

That was good. But let's get back to it. We're going to go to the scene-per-scene breakdown.

54:15

Exciting times. Exciting times? Okay. So...

54:19

I have an issue with the opening of this movie, and I'm going to point out inconsistencies.

54:24

Guys, it's going to sound like I'm hating hard on this movie.

54:27

That is not the case. I just want to preface this. It is not the case.

54:32

There's a lot of inconsistencies, and quite frankly, I'm just going to flat out say it.

54:38

In the writing, it was lazy. It was lazy writing. Whoa.

54:42

The character, the entity, they left a lot of openness to it.

54:47

I get it to the imagination quote unquote but

54:50

dude you could have gave us an origin story

54:53

it doesn't like to me that would

54:56

make it more effective they follow to me

54:59

make it more effective if we knew the origins of this where this thing came

55:04

from how it was developed because now it's just random i have no idea we don't

55:08

know the rules which can be scary i guess but also helps the the director and

55:15

the writer do whatever the fuck they want. So there's no guidelines to follow.

55:20

So that's the inconsistencies in this movie I'm talking about that.

55:24

I'll kind of point out, I'm not going to go super hard on it. I know. Be nice.

55:29

I know you roll your eyes on it. Be nice to the dude.

55:33

Just very frustrating when someone takes that approach.

55:37

I'm not going to say it's a lot lazy, but to me, in my opinion is a lazy form.

55:43

But anyways, this movie, which the opening scene I have an issue with right off the bat.

55:50

The first time I saw this, I was irritated and a little frustrated with.

55:54

This young girl is running out of her house. What does she have on? Fucking heels.

56:00

Why is she running in heels? Yeah, pajamas.

56:03

And heels. Why? Why? She's a fucking bougie bitch.

56:07

That's why. At first, I thought, oh, maybe she is running away from a boyfriend, husband.

56:12

Husband because you can't quite see if how young

56:15

she is but clearly she's super young and then

56:18

she runs out a lady's like unloading groceries

56:21

it's big it's like dusk yeah and she's like you need help she's like no and

56:26

then her dad comes out but you don't see her dad yet she's like hey man what's

56:30

going on she's like nothing dad it's fine and she's still running and she runs

56:36

up She like runs around whatever is watching her, you can tell.

56:41

She crosses the street, runs, and then runs back in the house.

56:45

But she's still got these fucking heels on. Why would you do that?

56:49

If you're running away and running for your life, your first instincts to put those heels on?

56:53

There are models that walk very well in heels.

56:58

They prefer to run in it? It's not everybody's case.

57:02

But, you know, sometimes you're in a rush. First thing you have are fucking

57:05

whatever shoes and they'll put them on. Fucking run barefoot.

57:09

I don't know. She doesn't want to stab her toe.

57:12

Like, I'm going hard on that. That was just very frustrating.

57:15

Like, dude, come on. Like, that was stylistic. Whatever.

57:20

I just, I didn't like it. It took me out of the movie right away right there. I was like, oh, okay.

57:27

There's another Halloween reference here.

57:29

What is it? Her name is Annie. Annie.

57:32

And that's also one of Lori's friends in Halloween and Brackett.

57:39

Oh, okay. He just liked the names.

57:43

So what I do like about this opening scene is, again, the music is really awesome.

57:49

It's jarring, but it's creative.

57:51

It gives me a John Carpenter feel on that, and I do like it. I like the music in this.

57:58

So you're giving it one point here so far? Yeah. Okay.

58:03

She grabs her purse runs out of the house again yeah

58:06

she bolts and then she peels out in a

58:09

modern car this is one of the first modern cars you see

58:12

you kind of see modern cars on this block but then as we

58:16

progresses this the cars and from what

58:19

i noticed go back yeah they roll

58:22

back and now you get these cars that were made in the

58:24

70s okay which i thought was kind of cool

58:27

so she peels out

58:30

we end up seeing her again this time

58:33

she's on the beach back facing the

58:37

water and she's facing forward into the woods with her headlights and car facing

58:43

her she gets a call clearly she's freaked out she's still panicking it looks

58:48

like she's on drugs if i was her parent like oh dude but what she what did she

58:54

tell because her parents call her dad calls her dad

58:56

calls and she's talking to him apologizing if she was ever brought to him saying

59:03

i love you yeah i don't know why she's doing her goodbyes because i think she's come to the.

59:10

Terms that she's not going to be able to you know to survive at this point we

59:16

don't know what it is yet and so she's saying i know i just want you to know

59:19

that i love you i'm sorry you know i was a bad kid and whatever.

59:25

And she's just like, yeah, I love you. I don't know why. And then she pauses.

59:28

And I pause the scene when it's looking out into the woods. I thought I seen something.

59:34

And that's it. So kudos to the director on this. I thought I did.

59:39

And it gives you that, oh, shit, what's out there? Because she clearly is freaked out and sees something.

59:44

And it doesn't quite show you the entity yet or what it's doing.

59:48

But I thought this picture was kind of cool.

59:51

And this is where the heels come in for artistic

59:54

value she they show a picture

59:57

of her lifeless and her legs were broken

1:00:00

in half and i think one of her feet were not off because it was like a it looked

1:00:06

like it was just there was nothing there oh i missed that i just was impressed

1:00:11

by the way her leg was folded up and her foot completely twisted backwards bone

1:00:16

sticking You know what it reminded me of? Huh? Remember the show Scar from MTV?

1:00:21

What? No. Scar? Scar from MTV.

1:00:25

It was like hardcore skateboarders and they would do tricks and then someone

1:00:31

would always get hurt and you'd see like bones and everything.

1:00:36

I think it was called Scar. It was on MTV. It's pretty intense.

1:00:39

I remember Jackass. No, this was before Jackass.

1:00:44

Or maybe around the same time as Jackass. before but it was like it was kind

1:00:48

of like a documentary they would go and follow these kids around and they would

1:00:52

be like here's the scar and this is how i got it oh okay that's cool.

1:00:58

Okay so what's the second scene we're coming into this is where we meet jay

1:01:04

right she's in the pool or getting into the pool yeah she cleans it gets in

1:01:08

the pool she's floating around just She's chilling by herself.

1:01:12

And then you meet her sister, Lily.

1:01:16

Or Kelly. So she's kind of swimming in there thinking about things.

1:01:20

She likes life because she's looking

1:01:22

at animals. It shows a squirrel and things. You got that out of this?

1:01:27

And she killed. Well, and then the only thing I did see, she drowns an ant that was on her arm.

1:01:32

And then that's when Kelly comes on. She's like, hey, Paul and Tara.

1:01:37

Yara. Yara are here. And we're going to watch a movie.

1:01:40

Do you want to watch and she's like nah i got a date tonight this

1:01:44

is another thing i was curious about because kelly's like her sister's like

1:01:49

hey i like him and uh and she's like i like him too like jay does kelly's never

1:01:56

met him because later in the movie they've never met each other i don't know.

1:02:02

It was a weird comment as it developed.

1:02:04

I'm like, oh, okay, so he's been around. Maybe she knows of him.

1:02:07

No, nobody does because they don't even know his real name.

1:02:12

Well, he gave him a wrong name. He's not from there. He rented a house.

1:02:16

I know. Maybe she told him a little bit of stories about.

1:02:19

I'm just saying it didn't. Yeah, I like it.

1:02:22

Well, clearly off the bat, this family has, they can't, they have judgment issues

1:02:27

with guys. Poor choices in guys.

1:02:32

She looks up and then neighborhood kids

1:02:36

are like peeking over the the bushes looking at

1:02:38

her and she's like i can see you yeah and they're like oh oh shit

1:02:41

i'm gonna duck and get out of there yeah so

1:02:45

she gets out she goes inside the house she gets ready she's wearing

1:02:49

she's wearing an old school dress like an 80s

1:02:52

dress retro well that's where

1:02:54

you go inside the take you inside of the house and you meet yara oh

1:02:58

that's right paul with her seashell fucking kindle

1:03:01

they're watching killers from space 1954 on

1:03:05

tv yeah and from

1:03:10

because i wanted to know what this shell thing was yeah what i found is that

1:03:16

it's a 60 shell compact and so they try to do something old with something new

1:03:20

and put it together yeah an e-reader so they i guess the directors his is kind of the purpose of this,

1:03:27

was to create the effect of a dream and place it outside of time.

1:03:31

So mixing, again, two timelines kind of together. It's timeless.

1:03:35

And then she says that she's reading The Idiot, because they ask her what she's

1:03:40

doing, a novel from 1869. Yeah.

1:03:44

And then she says, it's about Paul. The one thing here she says, I have an idea.

1:03:50

And she fucking leans to the side and farts. And she's like, I got away.

1:03:55

And you can start seeing Paul just keeps looking at Jay from the profile.

1:04:01

And finally, she's like, hi, Jay. And she says, hello. She goes upstairs.

1:04:07

And then she starts, yeah, getting ready. One thing I did see on the mirror when she's getting ready, she has pictures.

1:04:14

There's one of her in the pool, one of her and her dad.

1:04:17

So I knew this was going to play a part. It was so obvious.

1:04:20

I'm like, oh, this is going to be the end. I thought it was going to have a

1:04:24

bigger impact than it did. Like, they could have emphasized it more.

1:04:29

Like, it could have been more traumatic. The pictures or the ending?

1:04:33

The ending. Okay. Like, they subtly used it. It was subtle, yeah.

1:04:39

It was stupid. They didn't even, like, come on, man. You could have made it better.

1:04:43

Anyways, I digress. You digress. So yeah, she's getting ready.

1:04:47

She's putting that retro dress on, going on her hot date with Hugh,

1:04:52

aka, what's his name, Jason? Jeff. Jeff.

1:04:57

Yeah, they're in line waiting outside the movie theater, trying to get tickets to a movie.

1:05:02

And she asked him, she's like, hey, have you ever played the game, the trade game?

1:05:07

And she said, it's- If you can trade places with one person, I have two guesses.

1:05:16

But you're supposed to find someone within your surroundings.

1:05:20

Right. And she has two guesses to get right.

1:05:23

But if not, then he just lets her know. Yeah. So.

1:05:29

He looks around and he's like, got it. Or no, she looks around and was like, got it. He goes first.

1:05:36

Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's like, I got it. And then so they get into the theater

1:05:41

and then they're getting concessions and

1:05:44

they're still talking and she runs out of

1:05:47

guesses and loses but then he's like

1:05:50

you want to know who it is because she's like oh points to a dude making

1:05:53

out with a girl he's like nah he and

1:05:56

then he points at the family and she's like oh the

1:05:59

dad thinking probably oh he's a father figure

1:06:02

type wants to be be a father someday no he

1:06:05

pointed to the kid he's like man the innocence of

1:06:08

this kid like he's got his whole life ahead of him

1:06:11

so that tells you right now he's got

1:06:14

like subtly there's trouble brewing in his head he's worried about stuff because

1:06:19

he's only 21 and she makes a remark about that she's like you're only 21 you

1:06:24

got your whole life ahead of you too he's like yeah but it's different this

1:06:28

guy can shit his pants and fucking get away with it and she's like he's probably

1:06:31

shitting his pants right now. Yeah, and then they take their seats, and then it's Jay's turn.

1:06:38

She looks around. She turns behind, and she picks someone, and then Hugh turns

1:06:43

around, and he says, Over there, the girl in the yellow dress.

1:06:50

And Jay turns around, and she can't see. She doesn't see the girl with the yellow dress.

1:06:55

And she's like, Well, he points. He's like, What are you talking about?

1:06:58

That girl. And she's like, I don't see anyone. and that's where he gets kind

1:07:03

of upset a little bit you can tell he his demeanor totally changes and she could

1:07:07

tell he's like oh man can we get out of here can we just go back to the car

1:07:11

i'm not feeling well um she's like oh okay that's weird so they end up doing that,

1:07:17

and then they go to a diner and they're

1:07:20

talking about stuff right yeah what are they

1:07:23

talking about i can't remember i don't know i was busy looking at the

1:07:25

entity so that's the whole point of that being at that diner which i'm like

1:07:29

oh shit so they're kind of bullshitting and then you see this figure just walking

1:07:34

straight towards the restaurant yeah towards the restaurant i'm like oh shit

1:07:38

this is about to go down it doesn't they end up leaving and she gets dropped off.

1:07:44

Yeah and then the next day kelly and jay

1:07:47

are walking down this down in their neighborhood yeah bullshitting

1:07:51

kelly wants to smoke and that's why they're going

1:07:54

on a walk and jay tells her she's like you know mom knows

1:07:57

already right and she's like yeah but if she physically sees

1:08:00

me she's gonna break down yeah well their mom you

1:08:03

notice you never see their mom yeah their face they made

1:08:06

a i guess they made a point to adults like the parents they're either out of

1:08:12

focus or hiding their face in the hair or something yeah i accept the dad's

1:08:18

picture on the window he's not it's a picture it doesn't count but it made it

1:08:23

sound like her mom was just kind of a.

1:08:26

A mom that wasn't there all the way

1:08:29

obviously the dad died so she has issues um a

1:08:33

drinking problem or something like that is what i got out of it but she's still

1:08:38

working hard because they make a comment on her having to get up early but you

1:08:43

can tell that she's not all there for kids because they're kind of left to kind

1:08:48

of do whatever they want yeah and then jay you know is talking to her sister,

1:08:52

she says that, you know, they're talking about her date last night,

1:08:55

says that he was acting a little weird, but he just excused it by saying that he didn't feel well.

1:09:02

And then Kelly tries to ask, she's like, well, have you already, like, insinuating sex?

1:09:07

And she's like, no, I don't want to, but, you know, at the same time,

1:09:12

it feels, it seems different. And then Kelly asks Jay, you know, how is she doing those days?

1:09:19

So, it kind of gave me the This sense that maybe their dad's death was more

1:09:24

or less recent. Yeah, well, sudden. And then they go back home, or they're walking back towards their house,

1:09:31

and they see you get introduced to Greg. And then the scene here changed a little bit. Well, Greg's washed in his car

1:09:37

with his mom. Yeah, but then they play this dreamy little music when you see

1:09:43

him doing the slow motion. So this is where the Wes Craven Nightmare on Elm Street reverence comes.

1:09:49

Greg is playing the role, if you've ever seen the first Nightmare on Elm Street, the Johnny Depp role.

1:09:54

The cool kid lives diagonal across from you, exactly like the Wes Craven Johnny Depp situation.

1:10:03

Do you remember that in Nightmare? Yeah. Where he gets sucked into his bed. Mm-hmm.

1:10:08

So he's playing that cool type guy. So, and Kelly exchanges looks and she has a crush on him.

1:10:17

Damn it. Yeah. It doesn't go anywhere though at that point.

1:10:21

Like throughout this whole movie, you're like, oh, they're going to,

1:10:23

you know, at some point get together, have a moment. They never do.

1:10:27

Never. They have a slight moment in a car here coming up in the movie.

1:10:32

But that's it. And then Jay goes on a second date or third or whatever,

1:10:39

a follow-up date with Hugh again. But this time they're like in the woods. They walk towards a body of water.

1:10:45

I wasn't sure if it was the beach or a river.

1:10:48

Yeah, but that's the common theme. So the girl died by the river or the ocean, right?

1:10:55

This dates by the ocean. We keep coming back to water.

1:10:58

Water so on this date though

1:11:01

i thought for sure we were gonna see it we don't and

1:11:05

then what's weird is she's like oh the date's going well

1:11:08

it must be because she's like let's go back to the car and then

1:11:11

they drive to an abandoned warehouse or factory no not yet so they just go back

1:11:16

to his car they have their full-on makeout session they do the deed yeah but

1:11:22

they go to the abandoned factory and they're doing the deed there because they

1:11:26

show it they show the backdrop and it's that

1:11:28

big ass creepy looking vector i'm like oh this is weird this is like every serial

1:11:34

killer's fucking lair so they're doing it because they in the car yeah they're

1:11:39

grinding they're doing the whole the whole thing you know what people do what

1:11:45

do they do like the kids say bumping uglies.

1:11:49

And then afterwards she's still got that what do you call it after sex glow

1:11:54

she's feeling it she's He's like, you know what?

1:11:57

I always had dreams about, daydreams about.

1:12:01

Being older, dating, hanging out with friends, like perfect story.

1:12:05

And this guy's in the back.

1:12:08

You don't see him at all. You just hear shit. He's rumbling around.

1:12:11

In the trunk. Yeah. And she's just kind of like.

1:12:15

You know feeling good and he you think he's grabbing a

1:12:18

beer or something and then he comes up slides up behind her

1:12:21

on the back seat and then all of a sudden after she's

1:12:24

done talking he doesn't say shit he just like

1:12:27

smothers her face with chloroform and makes her pass out yeah mother cracker

1:12:33

isn't that creepy though what would you do in that situation what where was

1:12:37

he going with this was it just to take her inside the building and like let

1:12:42

her see for herself the entity to To make sure she doesn't get killed.

1:12:46

So I think that was the whole plan. I feel like he could have done this a little bit more tastefully.

1:12:51

He'd be like, hey, come here. Not all psycho. I'm going to show you something.

1:12:54

It makes me think, like, how the hell did someone introduce this to him?

1:12:59

Yeah, it's like fucking a movie to him. It's pretty brutal. So yeah,

1:13:03

she ends up, they transition into the factory.

1:13:07

And he's, she isn't quite awake yet.

1:13:10

You just see a flashlight kind of in the background. ground he's walking

1:13:14

around and she's tied up in a wheelchair passed out

1:13:17

but she starts coming to and he's like hey jay are you

1:13:20

awake and then he's explaining he's like hey don't be afraid i didn't mean to

1:13:26

like do this to you i didn't want to do this but i have to he's like i gave

1:13:32

you something like did you write down what the rules were what he said exactly he says again he

1:13:38

apologizes and he says he's not going to

1:13:41

hurt her he's like but you're not going to remember you're not going to

1:13:44

believe me but you really have to remember it's important yes

1:13:47

so he says this thing is going to follow you somebody

1:13:50

gave it to me and i passed it to you when we were back in the car he says it

1:13:56

can look like someone you know or a stranger in the crowd but it will be getting

1:14:00

close to you there's only one of it and he says you know sometimes it'll look

1:14:05

like someone Well, you know, so...

1:14:09

He pushes the wheelchair towards the edge of the building. Yeah.

1:14:14

Well, she's stunned. She's like, what are you talking about?

1:14:16

And then he's still looking around. He's like, oh, found it.

1:14:19

So he comes back, and then he wheels her to it. And she's like,

1:14:24

what is that? Who is that? He's like, I don't know. And then it's a lady walking up, butt-ass naked,

1:14:31

fucking in her birthday outfit, walking up all casual.

1:14:36

The only thing she has on though are fucking flip-flops

1:14:39

oh it's like dude come on

1:14:42

man you could at least put a little bit of clothes on there

1:14:45

i don't know why the theme is naked but it wouldn't be creepy though if you

1:14:49

see someone in that state of you know being just yeah kind of out of it naked

1:14:57

i'm like oh shit yeah i guess you you're doing it for shock but I don't know.

1:15:02

I thought it was a little weird. Maybe that was the whole point,

1:15:05

right? Like you're saying. But so he's like, all right, I'm doing this for your own good.

1:15:11

And then the entity is walking up and it's getting closer. It's finally on the same level.

1:15:17

And he wheels her close to it and then walks towards it and flashes a light

1:15:23

at it, paying no attention to him. Just a shock factor for Jane?

1:15:28

Yeah, to make her realize this is a real thing. And then he's like,

1:15:31

always remember this, the number one rule, never be in a place that doesn't have two exits.

1:15:37

Always have two exits. And then he rolls her out of the room and they get out

1:15:43

of there and he loads her up in the car.

1:15:46

The other thing he says, she can't get rid of it. There's a chance that she can get rid of it.

1:15:51

She just has to sleep with someone else as soon as she can.

1:15:55

And pass it on, yeah. But if it kills her, this enemy is going to make its way

1:16:00

back to where it started, it sounds like.

1:16:03

So they just have to keep on giving it.

1:16:06

Yeah. And that person has to stay alive and give it to someone else.

1:16:10

Otherwise, it'll come down. I think there was some strategy because...

1:16:15

This kid, Hugh, or Jason, Jay, whatever the fuck his name is. Jeff. Jeff.

1:16:20

He's not a bad looking kid. She's not a bad looking girl.

1:16:25

There's a little bit of strategy. You want the person to be good looking so

1:16:29

they can pass this on pretty easily. Which, that's a great strategy. I think, number one, because if Paul was asking, like, hey man, I want it.

1:16:39

I'm like, no man, you have no shot, dude.

1:16:42

Dude but anyways the next scene you

1:16:45

see kelly paul and yara

1:16:48

playing cards yeah and then

1:16:51

they're like slipping booze into their drink yeah

1:16:54

and he's like dude is your mom asleep she's like yeah and

1:16:57

this is where you know oh we have to be quiet she's

1:17:00

up by 5 15 and she's like gross and

1:17:04

at this point they're talking about it and paul's like

1:17:07

hey man where's your sister and she's like

1:17:09

oh on on another date and he's like a new one and they're

1:17:13

like yes with an eye roll and they're like fuck she's so pretty

1:17:16

but the thing is kelly isn't that

1:17:19

bad looking either though like neither of

1:17:22

them yara is the one who says your sister's so pretty it's

1:17:25

annoying but even kelly's like yeah i know it's like whatever

1:17:28

dude you're cut from the same cloth yeah and

1:17:34

then the car pulls up yeah and they're like whoa she's

1:17:37

home and then all of a sudden they can see sense something

1:17:40

bad's happening because he pops out doesn't say anything kelly asks hey is everything

1:17:44

okay and then all of a sudden you see him get in the back seat pull her out

1:17:49

set her on the ground his last words are what is it remember don't let it touch

1:17:55

you yeah and then he drives away.

1:17:58

She's sitting on the in the middle of the road in her underwear yeah and so

1:18:02

the scene is a little bit disturbing her hands are tied yeah this yeah so clearly

1:18:08

hugh been a little a-hole,

1:18:12

yeah a little freak but clearly it

1:18:15

was a little disturbing because it does look like she's been raped or something

1:18:18

yeah it was unnecessary of his part to i don't know yeah he already showed her

1:18:25

the thing you freaked her out yeah to tie her and after he freaking made her

1:18:30

pass out with chloroform And he burns rubber. He's out of there.

1:18:34

And then they go up and roll and pick her up.

1:18:38

They call the cops, and then they're making a big spectacle,

1:18:41

obviously, the cops. Everybody, the neighbors are out watching this.

1:18:45

The Greg and his mom are looking out the window, like, whoa, what's going on?

1:18:51

And the lady's like, I don't know, but that family's such a fucking mess. Yeah.

1:18:55

Which I think they are, but after the father's death, who wouldn't be? Mm-hmm.

1:19:00

But they're sitting there, and the cop's like, was it consensual?

1:19:04

And she said, yes. and then talked about the other naked lady that she's never seen.

1:19:10

So they're confused. Nothing else really happens. Yeah, and they ask if she knows where Hugh lives.

1:19:18

She says kind of, but she's never been there. Yeah, so they take her to the hospital.

1:19:24

And then the scene ends with you see the police. They go back to that building

1:19:28

where everything happened, and they find her purse in the parking lot.

1:19:32

And the next day, so Greg's mom and their mom are talking in the dining room

1:19:39

of Jay's and their house. Sipping on wine.

1:19:43

Bullshitting, talking about the chisme. And Greg's mom's like, did she catch anything?

1:19:49

And she's like, no, but obviously she caught a demon.

1:19:53

But yeah, and then what are they talking about?

1:19:57

The police can't find him yet because he used a fake name to rent the house.

1:20:00

Yeah, so it's all fishy stuff. And they're like, oh, that poor girl.

1:20:04

Yeah. And her mom was like, yeah. She's like, just some of the stuff that he

1:20:08

said to her, it just breaks my heart, which I feel like it's reasonable.

1:20:11

It's your daughter. You don't know what's happening.

1:20:14

And then they do some scenes where Jay is just laying on the bed.

1:20:18

She looks super depressed. Like, they show her plate with

1:20:21

food. She hasn't touched it. So she's not eating. She's not doing well.

1:20:26

And then she's in her bedroom. She gets up and again, she's just in her undergarments.

1:20:31

And then she walks up to the mirror. I think she's still processing everything that happened.

1:20:37

And she's just sitting in front of the mirror and just kind of pulls her underwear

1:20:39

up a little bit and keeps it in there. Yeah, so she's looking what?

1:20:43

Makes sure she doesn't have like discharge or something.

1:20:46

I don't know. I'm looking to see if everything looks normal or if something has changed.

1:20:51

Guess what? It is rotten down there. Oh my God, Richard. turn never mind i won't

1:20:56

talk about it on the pod man they better call the fucking ghostbusters because

1:21:00

she's got ghosts in her pants her pussy troll.

1:21:09

You're so mean so moving forward though after she does the the panty check the

1:21:14

tronin's check there's a noise at the window oh yeah the window yeah which it

1:21:19

doesn't really i mean she looks

1:21:22

and she sees a ball on the yeah but it was it was an entity it's paul,

1:21:29

you didn't see him he's standing up on the roof he threw the ball on her he's

1:21:32

peeking in through her window oh i didn't see that i guess i missed it yeah

1:21:37

i was like a little creep paul being a fucking pervert pervert paul pervert

1:21:43

start calling him peepee peeking peeking paul.

1:21:50

So she ends up going to school right yeah and so there's a poem i actually wrote

1:21:56

down what the poem was but i can't remember oh my god i'm like i don't know

1:22:02

i didn't put it on my actual notes but i did write it down somewhere beautiful

1:22:07

when i looked it up yeah great stuff, greg's in the same class as her yeah and you see

1:22:13

that and then so as the teacher's reading that

1:22:16

creepy poem or whatever it was

1:22:19

excerpt i think is what it's called you start

1:22:22

seeing a old lady in a medical gown

1:22:26

walking towards her very slowly very creepy jay sees this she's starting to

1:22:32

storm out and i don't know what college class you've ever been in but when does

1:22:36

the teacher ever care that you're leaving in a college class they're not gonna

1:22:40

say anything now that you see you walk Okay, you're great going out the window if you fucking leave.

1:22:44

But the teacher's like, hey, what are you doing? Like, it's high school.

1:22:47

It's like, get the fuck out of here. The teacher don't care.

1:22:50

She's going to continue with her business. Yeah.

1:22:53

I thought that was silly. So Jay's getting out of there, right?

1:22:57

Mm-hmm. She walks in between two girls having a conversation.

1:23:02

And then that entity walks between those two. And then she's like,

1:23:06

who are you? What do you want? And those girls are just looking at her like...

1:23:11

You're crazy as fuck. Yeah, she says hello. Yeah. To see if she's going to get

1:23:14

a response and kind of do like a check to see if it's real or not.

1:23:18

And the girls look at her confused and they're like, hi. What the fuck?

1:23:20

So when she gets no response from the old woman, she starts running outside.

1:23:26

Yeah, she bolts into the car and leaves, right?

1:23:29

Yeah. And she pulls up to an ice cream shop where Kelly and Paul work.

1:23:35

Yeah. And so this seems a little frustrating too, but I kind of get it.

1:23:39

It's not super irritating you know what

1:23:42

this reminds me of this movie is just

1:23:45

a super really sexually charged stranger things

1:23:48

you got ice cream shops you got kids trying to solve a case yeah no stranger

1:23:59

things was better than that well i'm not saying this is better but this is a

1:24:03

stranger thing yeah this is like a version of it like i know this was made before stranger things

1:24:08

but dude like it's got all the

1:24:11

fixings to be stranger things so jay

1:24:16

is finally talking to paul and kelly about what

1:24:19

happened and she's like yeah you know he

1:24:22

passed something on to me and he

1:24:25

said someone is going to follow me and kelly

1:24:28

does at this point she doesn't believe it she's like dude like i don't know

1:24:30

what he was feeding you but it sounds like a bunch of bullshit shit and they're

1:24:35

trying to follow they're trying to you know understand her and just lend an

1:24:41

ear so kelly's being understandable because she knows she's been through some shit right.

1:24:47

Paul meanwhile he's being understandable but he's only trying to get down her

1:24:51

pants dude like he's like you know what you want me to stay the night okay and

1:24:56

they're like no initially and then all of a sudden she's like well you can sleep

1:25:00

on the couch he's like it'll It'll make you feel safe.

1:25:03

Yeah. I was like, this crony dude is going to fight a demon.

1:25:07

Fucking hilarious, dude. Kelly makes a little punch here. Did you catch it? What?

1:25:14

When he offers to spend the night over, she's like, are you kidding me?

1:25:20

She's like, you should be more worried about waking up to Paul humping your

1:25:23

leg. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, so they come up with a plan. Everybody's going to stay.

1:25:29

Apparently, Yara stays, too, because she's there. Later that night,

1:25:32

they're brushing their teeth, and they really paint Yara to be a disgusting pig.

1:25:36

Like, first she farts in the first scene, and then this one,

1:25:41

she's just fucking going hard on her toenails.

1:25:43

While brushing her teeth, sitting on the toilet. She ain't brushing her teeth, though.

1:25:47

She's eating a Twizzlers while the other girls are brushing their teeth, getting ready for bed.

1:25:53

So they're really paying her to be just this nasty troll at this point i had a in my notes.

1:26:01

It's like get ready for bed yara is there too in parentheses does she live there

1:26:06

who is related because i was trying to keep track of who is who like because

1:26:12

yara is always there so i wasn't sure she was also related to them or not but

1:26:16

she's not she's just a friend yeah just a friend and then Yeah,

1:26:20

so everybody's hunkered down they show it does Yara and Kelly sleep with her

1:26:25

in the room or killing urine and are in One bedroom Paula's in the living room

1:26:29

and in this show a little bit of the mom with a possible drinking problem Like they kind of quickly,

1:26:36

Grace over her bedroom you see a bottle of wine in the dresser And then just

1:26:41

like the only show her leg and she still has the shoes on so she didn't even,

1:26:47

Try she passed out drunk something and,

1:26:50

Wow, no wonder your kids are getting STDs. Yeah, Jay comes downstairs with a

1:26:54

blanket and some very, very short shorts. And she tells Paul that she can't go to sleep.

1:27:00

He's like, oh, you can sleep right here on the couch.

1:27:02

Sit right next to me. Come on. Sit on my lap. You.

1:27:06

Yeah, and he's watching another old horror movie.

1:27:11

And she's talking, or he talks while he's like, man, I don't remember the last

1:27:16

time I sat down. I think I was a kid. And she's like, whoa. Yeah. yeah and she's like

1:27:20

well you know why yeah because obviously he's

1:27:24

a boy and hormones and stuff so they

1:27:27

have a good laugh but then they start talking about the

1:27:30

pornos they found behind the the pizza

1:27:33

parlor now which which

1:27:36

brings me to this did you ever find porn behind out

1:27:40

and about ever i'm not on about i found

1:27:43

it in people's house so we did too we

1:27:47

found porn in people's houses too at a very too

1:27:50

young of an age i think where it kind of desensitized us

1:27:53

but it was always when we'd find porn out in

1:27:56

the woods like that's so weird we just

1:27:58

find a porno mag just in the woods you did like yeah

1:28:01

me and my friends we'd see it and then we'd be like oh my god this is amazing

1:28:05

yeah dude it's just hilarious so the fact that they find it behind a dumpster

1:28:10

is so real to me like that hit home i'm like fuck that's real someone just left

1:28:15

it there yeah some pervert did and then they're like yeah and then we looked at greg's,

1:28:21

i didn't find porn i found exotic novels oh shit classy i was like oh shit wow,

1:28:30

it just sounded like owen wilson right there wow.

1:28:35

Fascinating so they then they bullshit about it like yeah man and then greg's

1:28:40

mom freaked the go fuck out on us when we were looking out on the lawn.

1:28:43

And she's like, yeah, tell me about it. My mom gave us the birds and bees talk,

1:28:47

me and Kelly, which clearly didn't hold because they don't believe in using, uh,

1:28:53

prophylactic or anything the other thing

1:28:56

so apparently jay you know she's she

1:29:00

tells paul that he was her first kiss and she was paul's first kiss so there's

1:29:05

a little bit of history but then this little showing showing that he's still

1:29:10

crushing on her has feelings but the other thing she's like yeah and you went

1:29:14

and kissed kelly the same day you kissed two sisters in one One day.

1:29:19

Oh, and then she's like, you kissed your sister. Who?

1:29:23

Didn't she say that? You kissed your sister. No, he kissed Kelly and Jay the same thing she said.

1:29:30

Oh, so I thought that was weird. I thought it was like, you kissed me,

1:29:34

my sister, and then your sister. No, just the two sisters. She said, that's gross.

1:29:39

That's funny. I was like, look at him trying to make moves.

1:29:43

Fucking stud, dude. Fucking stud. At that point, though, then we hear a window

1:29:48

break gets shattered, like a rock gets thrown at her or something.

1:29:52

And then she immediately is like, check that shit out. Yeah. And he's like, okay.

1:29:57

Clearly he can't see anything because he's not the one infected. Well, yeah. And then...

1:30:02

And then she, he comes back. He's like, there's no one there.

1:30:06

And she tells him, you know, maybe you should call the police.

1:30:09

And he's like, I don't know why this was the decision that he made.

1:30:12

But he's like, I'm going to wake up your sister. She should call the police. It's like, dude, you grab the phone.

1:30:19

It's next to you. I don't understand that either. So he goes,

1:30:21

I think it's just to give it the scene. So he goes upstairs.

1:30:25

She's downstairs alone. So she has the encounter. She goes into the kitchen to find out on her own.

1:30:31

Again stupid shit um to find on

1:30:34

her own see if she she can see something this is

1:30:37

a theme too in the movie that every time

1:30:40

the entity's walking especially close why are the breasts always out why is

1:30:45

that a thing i mean i'm not trying to be a stickler about this but dude that's

1:30:50

a little hanging fruit like come on man they can be normally dressed we've seen

1:30:54

that it's a sexual demon so So there's got to be some sort of second.

1:30:58

I get it. But like one breast was hanging out and then they pee their pants.

1:31:03

Why? I don't understand that. I think to me, this gave me rapey vibes.

1:31:09

Like she was a. She was raped. A rape victim. It kind of looks like this. By the entity.

1:31:15

I don't know about by the entity, but she looked like she could have been a rape victim.

1:31:19

The entity, the way it presented itself, like clothes, her shirt kind of ripped off to the side.

1:31:25

Makeup smeared one sock

1:31:28

off she's peeing on herself she looked traumatized is

1:31:31

that the girl that got in the first part of the movie this

1:31:35

one no i don't think it was her well so i

1:31:38

want to come back to that too the girl on the beach so where did she play a

1:31:42

part in this or is she just a random girl or did she get it from that guy hugh

1:31:47

and then she got killed again theory i found is that she She could potentially

1:31:53

be Hugh's ex, and she gave it to him.

1:31:59

And so now the thing is after him, so he had to pass it on to someone else.

1:32:02

No, that doesn't make sense. What do you mean? Because then why was it after her?

1:32:06

It wouldn't make sense. Or he gave it to her. That's what I'm saying.

1:32:09

But no, it was a random girl at a bar that gave it to him, right?

1:32:13

Well, was she the random girl? Maybe. But no, because then she dies, because that can't be the random girl.

1:32:20

It would have to be after the fact. But he doesn't say anything about that at all. I just don't know where that

1:32:26

girl played a part. And then another thing is... I think it's for the shock.

1:32:30

Okay, I understand that. Another thing is why if she died, like,

1:32:35

this thing would eventually get to the end at some point.

1:32:40

Like, how long has this been going on? And it would eventually die.

1:32:45

It would just kill itself then at that point. Yeah. So it just doesn't make sense.

1:32:49

Like, how it's doing that and how it actually feeds off people.

1:32:54

And again, they follow. Although maybe they give an origin story, which is glaring at me.

1:33:00

It just doesn't. No, that's it.

1:33:02

It's just it doesn't hold weight. The movie fucking sucks because of that, though.

1:33:08

And he and the director has been on has made comments. Oh, the openness of it.

1:33:13

Leave it to your imagination. Fuck you, dude. That is fucking lazy writing. That's what I'm talking about.

1:33:18

Out anyways let's go back to the fucking

1:33:21

one where the teens peter pants and jay

1:33:25

runs up the stairs and locks herself in her bedroom

1:33:28

yeah the other thing the the entity

1:33:31

here is she has her hands tied behind her her back yeah which was weird too

1:33:36

rape victim i'm telling you which i know he said hugh said the entity's gonna

1:33:41

do look at ways to freak you out and get close to you it's gonna It's not going

1:33:46

to look like everything and anyone.

1:33:48

And anything, though. Yeah. To just freak you out. Well, it was shocking. Yeah. Yeah.

1:33:54

And maybe or not. Yeah. So she locks herself in her room.

1:33:59

Paul and Kelly are beating on the door, telling to let her in.

1:34:04

Put them in. She's kind of curled up, but then she eventually does let them

1:34:07

in, shuts the door, locks it again, and is trying to explain stuff.

1:34:11

And they're still like, hey, man, nobody's here.

1:34:14

Like, someone did try to break the glass, or did, but still nobody's here.

1:34:19

I looked. And they still haven't put two together.

1:34:22

And then the door knocks. The door handle rattles. The handle's jiggling, yeah.

1:34:28

It's jiggling, and then it's Yara who's like, hey, let me in.

1:34:32

And they open it and then you see this the entity as this tall ogre looking

1:34:37

guy super tall white t-shirt but did you see the theme the entities they all

1:34:43

it seems like they all the ones that had some sort of clothing on them it was

1:34:47

all white or at least a piece of the old tiny too,

1:34:51

so they she's like oh shit fuck

1:34:54

this and jumps out the window and then rides off on it looks like paul's bike

1:34:59

yeah she takes off and then greg and he's on it looks like he's on a date in

1:35:06

the car on the street smoking weed and they see they just see jay ride her bike away.

1:35:14

She goes to the park and then kelly

1:35:17

yara and paul all chase

1:35:20

her down and like man you could you could have got her what

1:35:23

are you doing and she's freaking out she's like

1:35:26

i've seen something and they're trying to console her because

1:35:28

she's been through some shit obviously and they still

1:35:31

think it's just mental like ptsd yeah but then

1:35:36

that you see greg walking briskly towards them and she's like whoa do you guys

1:35:42

see that and they're like yeah we see that and tim and he's like whoa what's

1:35:47

going on and yada yada yada and she's like man i can't go home we're not going

1:35:52

home and he's like and he starts walking in she's like you're just gonna go

1:35:56

home and he's like nah bitch i'm grabbing my car because jason says she wants

1:36:01

to she doesn't want to call the police she wants to find you and ask more questions

1:36:05

of him which greg's pretty cool about it he's like yo i want to help,

1:36:10

And he's just cool about it. They all get in the car. No one, like, holds.

1:36:15

Like, Jay is in college, but Yara and Kelly don't look like they're college

1:36:21

students. They're, like, 17 or 18.

1:36:23

No one told their parents that they didn't care that they took off in the middle

1:36:27

of the night. Jay and Kelly's mom's an alcoholic. Passed out.

1:36:31

And Yara was staying the night. So, okay. Okay, so they drive to the side of

1:36:38

town that looks run down, like a rough area of town. Yeah.

1:36:42

To the address that Jay had for Hugh to go look for him. And then they stop

1:36:47

at this abandoned looking house. It has some of the windows are boarded up, covered with foil.

1:36:54

And of course, they break in through the windows and they get inside.

1:36:57

Yeah, and then so they're checking it out. It's creepy.

1:37:00

It looks like an old crack house. house obviously it's

1:37:04

detroit it's one of the neighborhoods that was kind of

1:37:06

ravaged and yeah there's like the windows

1:37:09

are all covered with newspaper yeah he has

1:37:12

there's like soda cans hanging with string by the windows

1:37:15

i'm assuming for alarms and then

1:37:18

so he has all the windows taped up too so that you can't

1:37:21

see him and then as they're going through it

1:37:24

like jay's on one side and kelly's on

1:37:27

the other and then i think it's kelly pushes

1:37:30

the wall and the little section opens up

1:37:33

they scream it's like a little jump moment but this

1:37:36

just shows that like again it goes back to the rules always have exits so when

1:37:41

he was in that bathroom he would have an exit strategy to get out but a hole

1:37:48

in the story and a hole in this house have two exits how come the So bed and

1:37:53

where he was staying was upstairs then.

1:37:56

It was at the very top. Where's your exit? Window. No, it was too high up.

1:38:03

That's what I was asking. It's a plot hole again. Come on.

1:38:08

But anyways, Paul's up there. He's looking at the noonie bag that's there.

1:38:14

And Jay's walking through. She looks out the window and thinks she sees the

1:38:19

entity walk by, which I don't think it was. I think it was just a person.

1:38:23

The one thing, Paul finds his magazines, there's like tissues crumpled up next

1:38:29

to him. Oh, yeah. He was jerking it, dude.

1:38:32

So it's like this dude is scared for his life, yet he still has the libido.

1:38:36

Yeah, man. He's jerking it. I think that would be the last thing on my mind.

1:38:42

And then the picture. So the picture he does find, they associate it like,

1:38:46

whoa, does this look familiar? The high school?

1:38:48

And she's like, yeah. and it's like Lamont or something but.

1:38:52

The girl in the picture, is that the girl in the beginning? I couldn't tell.

1:38:57

I didn't pause. I should have. Yeah, I can't remember. I should have looked, too. I wasn't remembering.

1:39:02

But they're like, oh, shit. And Paul's like, well, if you go there,

1:39:06

they're going to be able to tell you who that is. So they go to the high school.

1:39:10

And then Jay and Greg go inside. And again, Jay's still in her pajamas with

1:39:15

a coat, just strolling through this high school.

1:39:17

And then it looks like they go to the library and

1:39:21

the lady there like goes shows him i'm assuming your

1:39:24

books and they find out who he is so they

1:39:27

come outside and pauliera and

1:39:31

kelly they're like you know asking if she found something and

1:39:34

then that's when they were like at that point the entity is walking

1:39:37

do you remember that like as they're in there in that

1:39:40

office before they pan into them in the office and

1:39:43

they show in the courtyard the thing walking at

1:39:46

a random area it starts at like a wall and a window of the school and just walks

1:39:51

straight towards you as the camera's slowly circling getting to jay and greg

1:39:58

but never gets there they they never touch on that like it never gets them at

1:40:03

that point i think that's one of the most things for me like like,

1:40:06

the anxiety that this thing walks so slow.

1:40:09

Like, you know, it's coming, and it's never gonna stop coming,

1:40:12

but, like, if it was fast, I don't know, it's like a bandit,

1:40:16

you rip it off, but the fact that there's so much, like, waiting.

1:40:22

It's like the world's worst game of tag. It's fucking stupid.

1:40:27

The concept sucks. I'm sorry. The concept of this movie sucks.

1:40:31

Richard doesn't like it. It doesn't. And, hey, more power to you if you enjoy

1:40:36

I didn't enjoy this movie. I didn't enjoy it. I'm going to be real.

1:40:40

And we're about halfway through this movie talking about it.

1:40:44

I have not enjoyed it. It was...

1:40:47

It was just bored. I like I was working out during it.

1:40:51

I was doing other things while watching

1:40:54

this movie just because it was not entertaining me is not catching me.

1:40:58

Well, you don't like slow movies, period.

1:41:01

I don't mind slow movies, but you got to have a point.

1:41:05

You got to have a point with it. And horror movies should not be that slow of

1:41:09

a pace. That's why What's-His-Name.

1:41:12

I do not. I know. I would try to show you movies that I've enjoyed,

1:41:17

and you're like, they're too slow.

1:41:19

Yeah. Too slow. I've grown accustomed to a certain pacing, and when you're way

1:41:25

off the pace, you better have a good reason why you're off that pace.

1:41:29

The movie's not for Richard. So they find out that his real name is Jeff Raymond.

1:41:36

Again, Jay doesn't want to tell the police. She wants to go and talk to him.

1:41:40

And at this point you can kind of see that jay and greg are forming a some sort

1:41:46

of bond because he kind of comforts her rubs her shoulder and of course paul

1:41:50

saw this and he's all jealous, peanut butter and jelly so then they make it to jeff's house which i'm surprised

1:41:58

that the school released that information his address yeah so they make it i

1:42:02

don't know if they did well how else would they find him i don't know you could

1:42:05

look it up different ways this is an alternate Alternate reality, okay? True.

1:42:11

Maybe phone books were still around. I don't think he would be in the phone book.

1:42:16

His mom? Nah, but I don't know if you know. So they go to his house,

1:42:20

and then his mom answers, and they ask for Jeff, and she's like,

1:42:23

oh yeah, you want to come in? So this is a weird part of the movie.

1:42:27

When they go to this house, and she's like, oh, how about your friends come in?

1:42:30

I don't think Hugh slash Jeff is really 21 years old because they go out back

1:42:38

and they're all sitting crisscross applesauce and the mom gives them snacks

1:42:43

and Coolidge Cola grape soda.

1:42:47

And they're all sitting around. Yes, they're all sitting around and he just looks like a child.

1:42:54

So, dude, that makes me think he's like 16 or 17 because. Because even younger.

1:43:02

It's not traumatized because they're all dealing with it. They're all doing that.

1:43:06

And it just doesn't seem like a 21-year-old man.

1:43:10

Even though you're young, would be doing that. I can see it.

1:43:14

I think if you're messed up enough in the head, you will revert back to,

1:43:18

I need to, you know, your parents usually are the ones that keep you safe.

1:43:24

But the mom's not even phased. Well, she's nurturing him. She's letting him stay with her.

1:43:31

But she's not phased. She's like, oh, yeah, his friends, come on in.

1:43:35

Do you think that she knows why they're there?

1:43:38

No. No, but at the same time, she's treating it like he's like a 12-year-old.

1:43:44

Like, oh, he's got his buddies over. I'm going to get him snacks.

1:43:47

If my kid came to me at 21 and just made it to stay home, I'm not going to question

1:43:53

you. I'll try to offer help, but yeah, you can stay here.

1:43:56

Okay, I'm not disputing that part of this.

1:43:59

What I'm saying is he's like a child. Like, his actions, his mannerisms,

1:44:04

what they're doing is childlike.

1:44:07

It's not adultlike. Like, hey, you can be adult-like and live with your parents.

1:44:12

But, dude, the thing is, like, it was just too childlike. I don't know. It took me out of it.

1:44:18

He seemed like he was 12, not 21.

1:44:21

Okay. I don't know. Agree to disagree. So you're saying you'd be sucking down the Coolidge grape

1:44:29

soda with your friends just chilling in a circle?

1:44:31

Yeah, if you're traumatized enough, if you've been, I don't know.

1:44:34

No, sometimes it's hard to get out of a certain state of mind.

1:44:39

I get being freaked out, but I wouldn't revert to that.

1:44:43

Anyways, so with it, he's freaked out, obviously. He's looking at all things.

1:44:50

She's checked out because she's putting grass blades on her knee.

1:44:55

Those are called grass blades? Yeah. Oh. So blades of grass.

1:45:00

But what does he ask her? Or what does she ask him?

1:45:05

She, he's kind of, he, well, one thing he says is, although he no longer has

1:45:11

it, he can still see it. So he sees entities.

1:45:14

Yeah. And again, he tells her, you know. So it's still after him,

1:45:18

but not. Well, he sees it. Yeah. Like he's not off the hook. Yeah.

1:45:22

Maybe he's just, I don't know, anxious.

1:45:25

And he tells her again, like you need to sleep with someone else and then you

1:45:29

can also get rid of it and then it's fine. So that's curious thing. He still sees entities.

1:45:34

Entities well how would he see it if they're not even close

1:45:37

to each other because the entity is going to be going after her not him

1:45:40

again maybe it's all in his head at

1:45:43

this point and then he says you

1:45:46

know do the same thing that i did pass it

1:45:48

on to someone else and then he says it should be easier

1:45:51

for you you're a girl you're a girl what did

1:45:54

you believe that it is a lot easier for

1:45:57

girls yeah i don't know

1:46:00

you guys have one track mind man and then

1:46:05

they're like yup whatever you say yeah so yeah and then so she she's left with

1:46:12

the ultimatum there he ends up being like whoa do you see that girl that's walking

1:46:16

with a soccer ball or whatever and they're like yeah yeah what the fuck yeah

1:46:20

and they're like i don't know what you said to her what you did to her but you did some

1:46:24

damage or whatever. And he's like, dude, I got to fucking go.

1:46:27

Yeah. And he said that, you know, he's like, actually, you're all here.

1:46:30

That means that things coming for you and you're here with me. So I'm not safe.

1:46:34

So all of you need to get the hell out of here. Yeah.

1:46:38

Because he says, you know, it doesn't matter where. It's always walking towards

1:46:41

you, straight towards you. Doesn't matter how far away you are. It's just coming.

1:46:47

So they hop back onto the road. And...

1:46:52

This has been a long trip, apparently. They're still wearing the same clothes.

1:46:57

Yaris is asleep on the front seat. And then Kelly asks if Greg's mom's going to freak out.

1:47:04

So they have, like, some plan in motion that they haven't really fully told

1:47:07

us yet. And he's like, oh, she won't know.

1:47:11

And then Kelly asks Jay, you know, have you thought about what Jeff said?

1:47:15

Like, sleeping with someone else and just getting rid of the thing and let it

1:47:18

be someone else's problem. Problem and jay's still unsure she says that she

1:47:22

doesn't know well and then they share a moment though greg

1:47:25

and kelly because when kelly asked that like oh

1:47:28

does your mom go and he's like nah and then

1:47:32

she's like that's really cool he has that moment like

1:47:35

again that she really likes him and then again nothing happens that this is

1:47:40

the last moment you have that connection and then it's gone yeah and then they

1:47:44

arrive at this beautiful road and this is where you get fall vibes because Because

1:47:48

it's like orange and red leaves all over the floor on the road.

1:47:53

But then, well, at the beach, Yara's in the water just chilling.

1:47:57

And it's all good water. Like, it's warm. Yeah. Kelly's making food.

1:48:02

Jay's looking at the windows still. Just kind of keeping an eye out.

1:48:06

And then it's there. You can kind of see him. They're spending the night there.

1:48:11

And then in the next day in the next morning Greg goes into the out into the

1:48:17

shop that they have next to this house oh yeah he grabs the gun he grabs the

1:48:21

gun and then he brings Jay out and he's teaching her how to shoot to define herself.

1:48:26

Which reminds me of the time I taught you how to shoot,

1:48:32

so romantic I have a scar you got a scar

1:48:36

that's hilarious he kept jamming the gun I'm

1:48:38

like motherfucker fucker well i don't know that was

1:48:41

hilarious i have weak wrists we talked about this and the stupid shows fell

1:48:47

inside my shirt but you had fun it was fun you and vienna oh my god thanks thanks

1:48:55

for that experience richard you're welcome it was fun it was it was a crazy experience,

1:49:02

Yeah, it was a fun road trip. Yeah.

1:49:05

And then Greg and Jay are talking, and Jay, she mentions that sometimes she's

1:49:12

lonely, and he's like, well, right across the street. And he's like,

1:49:16

I should have never left your side or whatever. I should have been there more.

1:49:19

Yeah, and he's like, well, if you ever, you know, kind of saying if she ever

1:49:22

gets lonely, he's just right across the street from her. Yeah.

1:49:25

And then, yeah, they all go to the, they're sitting by the beach drinking.

1:49:31

And then Paul sitting next to Jay and he just keeps like side-eyeing her and just watching her.

1:49:38

And yeah, like you said, Yara's on like a floaty on the water. Yeah.

1:49:44

And then far into the distance in the back. You see it. Again,

1:49:48

this is the effective part of this movie is the anxiety.

1:49:52

Knowing that thing is in the background walking. They don't know.

1:49:55

No which would you ever have your back against anything

1:49:58

you didn't see at this point when you know something's trying to follow

1:50:01

you if it's walking because they so far it's

1:50:04

never been known to swim so walk so no i would have

1:50:06

been watching my back yeah i'd be

1:50:09

like dude i would have my head on a swivel but yeah

1:50:13

so they're doing that and then eventually so greg

1:50:16

goes off and he's going to pee and then this entity walks up and it's taking

1:50:23

the form of a lady but it grabs did you notice who the lady was who is yara

1:50:30

oh yeah that's right yeah just bloodied,

1:50:34

beat up because that's one thing jeff said is they can look like someone you

1:50:38

already know yeah so yeah and then right now but i don't know why they did that

1:50:43

right there though it's just. The effect would have been better if Yara wasn't around.

1:50:50

And then she's like, hey, Yara. Like trying to talk to the entity.

1:50:54

And then finding out just when you're getting close enough. Like,

1:50:58

oh, fuck, that's not her. Like the real Yara pops out would have been better. Yeah, I still like it.

1:51:06

I don't know. It could have been anybody at that point. Because she's right

1:51:09

there. That was cheap. I don't know. I thought it was. It was giving a character more of a role. I thought it was good, just...

1:51:18

You know, Yara's here in a supportive role, tagging along, and then the enemy's

1:51:23

messing with you, taking on the shape of someone who's there in a supportive role.

1:51:30

I know, but... Don't shit on it, Richard. Just go with it.

1:51:33

They could have did it to where, like, Greg left. They had a million dollars.

1:51:36

It could have been, yeah, but they could have done it where Greg left because

1:51:40

he went to go to the bathroom, right? Well, they could have had the entity walk up and be Greg because he wasn't in there.

1:51:48

I know what you want, but that's not what happened. That's what should have

1:51:51

happened is what I'm saying. It's okay. I think it was effective.

1:51:55

The scene was effective, but what I'm telling you, it could have been anybody.

1:51:59

That was just kind of a cop. I was cheap. I don't know. Nobody sees a thing. Lack of storytelling.

1:52:05

Kelly's having a conversation with Jay. So, you know, it's where the entity

1:52:10

is coming, where Kelly would have seen it, but clearly she can't see it.

1:52:14

So it's just again the anxiety that you

1:52:17

know it's coming everyone else who actually looks in

1:52:20

the direction can't see it yeah and then all

1:52:23

of a sudden and then yara tells them she's like

1:52:26

oh you guys should come in the water they're contemplating it and

1:52:29

that's where it kind of makes you like yes please like get in the fucking water

1:52:32

right you're like oh shit go go but at

1:52:35

this time she's like oh maybe i will maybe i won't maybe later

1:52:38

and then this is where they do believe leave

1:52:41

her because then the entity grabs

1:52:44

her hair and pulls it up and then kelly's like

1:52:48

what the fuck pulls out of the chair yeah and

1:52:51

then paul's like oh shit and he grabs the little

1:52:54

chair and swings at the air and then all of a sudden that the force the entity

1:53:01

hits he's just flying yeah he flies off which i thought was pretty cool and

1:53:07

then so they take off running and they run to the shed she grabs the gun.

1:53:12

And she starts shooting like a maniac almost hits a crack. Well,

1:53:15

not at this point. The thing's beating on the door and the entity can pick and

1:53:19

choose what it wants to be. This is where the, again, the storytelling doesn't make sense because now there's

1:53:25

motive to why the entity picks what it does, right?

1:53:29

That big ogre guy comes back and he's the one that bursts through the door.

1:53:34

And then it turns into a little boy that can crawl through the hole.

1:53:38

And then this is where, what's her name? Shooting.

1:53:41

Shooting and she starts shooting at the door no

1:53:45

she shoots uh when the entity looks like yarn and they lock

1:53:47

the door when she's runs out of bullets which i thought

1:53:50

a cool part of the story would be if she was shooting and accidentally shoots

1:53:54

greg in the head or shoots greg it would have been great dude it would have

1:53:59

been great part of the story because you're shooting at him and i thought oh

1:54:02

for sure someone's gonna get fucking hit because it's just reckless it's a ghost

1:54:06

and i I thought for sure Greg was getting hit, but of course not.

1:54:10

Doesn't get hit. He hides behind the chair and somehow doesn't get hit.

1:54:14

At the same time, it did give me a little bit of anxiety because he's outside.

1:54:17

He's like, why are you guys locked in there? The entity is not after him, but at the same time, it's like,

1:54:22

oh, like the next time that we see the entity, is it going to be actually,

1:54:27

is it going to look like Greg or is it actually going to be Greg?

1:54:30

So that's where you kind of don't know. Oh, and that would be pretty effective if they did that, but they did not do that.

1:54:38

So the thing walks through the floor there and Paul, Kelly, and Yara are like,

1:54:43

what do you see? What do you see? What is it? And she doesn't say anything. She just runs through the side of the door, barn door thing.

1:54:51

And she runs out on the sand and then she starts booking it.

1:54:55

And they're chasing after her. And the entity is walking with them.

1:55:00

And it shows her going to the car as the entity is behind her.

1:55:03

And as they're running past even the entity. and she peels out in the car and

1:55:08

leaves them behind and gets on that road.

1:55:11

And then all of a sudden a truck was backing out and backed out in the street.

1:55:16

She swerves, gets in the cornfield. Boom. Again, I have another plot hole here.

1:55:23

I know you're hating this, but this is just my opinion. You can have a different opinion on this.

1:55:28

Because this point in time, she gets knocked out, right?

1:55:31

Right there. I don't know how long she was knocked out, But the entity was super close.

1:55:36

So why wouldn't that entity do anything like grab her and kill her at that point? I don't know, man.

1:55:45

But you don't know i don't know i'm just saying like

1:55:48

they're well so this is

1:55:52

where the director you know pushes and

1:55:55

pulls with the story the rules like have

1:55:58

set rules like why have it open that's so frustrating and irritating it's like

1:56:04

dude like she's dead to rats right there like the story should end i know you

1:56:09

need to progress it and end the story but why have that part right Because now

1:56:14

you got an inconsistency with what's been going on this whole movie.

1:56:18

Well, it leads to the next big, big.

1:56:21

And I could be totally wrong, guys, on this. And honestly, I'm probably putting

1:56:25

too much thought into it. You are. But I do this with every movie. And let's face it, Friday the 13th,

1:56:33

Part 7, New Blood had more consistency than this movie.

1:56:37

I'm throwing that down right now. Consistency? Yes. I think that's the point of this movie. It keeps you guessing.

1:56:44

Yeah, but some of it's just flat out stupid. It keeps you guessing.

1:56:48

Because then the entity... You don't know when it's coming. But then the entity

1:56:51

just drops back and doesn't do it. So then they're back at the hospital.

1:56:54

They take Jay to the hospital. Yeah.

1:56:58

All her friends are there at the hospital. I don't know why you won't let me explore this stuff. You're just going in a hole over the same stuff.

1:57:04

I don't think that the movie was supposed to be very deep and in-depth.

1:57:08

And you want it to be very depth and have consistency. Well,

1:57:12

because he's asking a lot of the viewer to have a lot of imagination for this movie.

1:57:20

And it's just there's some things, come on, you could have done a little bit more.

1:57:24

It was a little bit lazy. I keep saying it. That's the common theme of this movie, laziness.

1:57:30

Jason has a cast over her arm. And then, again, playing with the anxiety,

1:57:36

she keeps looking out the door. Uh towards the hallway as all the nurses are walking

1:57:41

by so here's footsteps this was

1:57:44

effective i even felt the anxiety on this though

1:57:47

because then you like there's always someone walking

1:57:50

by you've been in hospitals right yeah you don't know who's gonna come up through

1:57:54

that door and the randos so you don't know if it's gonna be the thing or not

1:57:58

the other thing you're strapped down to a to a bed it's gonna be pretty hard

1:58:02

to just take off running from there and you're beat up And you're in a bedroom

1:58:06

and then the hospital rooms only have one door, one in and out.

1:58:10

So how are you going to escape this thing? And the windows are not accessible.

1:58:16

Right. So that was kind of the anxiety inducing that it was effective. That part I did like.

1:58:22

And then Greg wakes up. They give each other a little look. Mm hmm.

1:58:28

And then it pans out through a bunch of different like hospital rooms, different families.

1:58:34

Times changed because like it was the next day because nobody else is in there.

1:58:39

Yeah. And then Greg slips in and I guess this was like the sexiest moment ever.

1:58:45

Her in a nightgown, medical nightgown in the bed all beat up.

1:58:50

They do the dirty. One thing I saw the entire time, I can't like.

1:58:54

Which, this wouldn't happen because she has a little heart rate monitor on her finger.

1:59:00

And that would be going crazy. The nurses would have run in there,

1:59:04

this bitch is having a heart attack. Exactly.

1:59:11

Can you imagine? I wonder if that's ever happened at a hospital where they walk

1:59:15

into someone. Probably. Do you fucking care? But yeah, they're like getting it on.

1:59:21

A little bit of bump and grind. I was confused by this scene because at first

1:59:26

it looks like she's enjoying it. And then the rest of it, she's just staring straight at the ceiling.

1:59:32

Yeah, like she's being raped. And I was like, so what's happening? I don't know.

1:59:39

And then fast forward, Greg's at school.

1:59:42

Nothing happened. He's mowing down on a burger, flirting with other chicks,

1:59:46

sitting with three other girls. He's a playa playa. Yeah. And then he comes back to the hospital.

1:59:52

Hospital paul is out in the hallway just staring him down like you fucking piece of connection.

1:59:59

Flirting yeah he's holding her hand yeah it's like so wait a minute is greg

2:00:03

with those other girls at the table or is he with her like he's just mac and

2:00:07

dude popular boy which okay i'm gonna bring up another inconsistency here we're

2:00:14

never gonna finish today angelus angelus here's Here's another inconsistency.

2:00:18

So Greg, it transfers to Greg, right?

2:00:21

Yeah. Because they obviously they did it in the hospital.

2:00:25

Okay. Well, then days go by. Then three days.

2:00:29

Three days. And this motherfucker doesn't see shit. And then it doesn't follow him.

2:00:34

The director picks and choose what he wants to do.

2:00:37

Usually it's pretty aggressive because it happened the night of.

2:00:41

It was walking towards her. but now it takes three days for this fucking thing

2:00:47

to even decide to get close to greg come on do you think it has anything to

2:00:52

do with uh they should everyone else seems a little bit,

2:00:57

more scared and greg stirred up the entire time up until now you know he's been

2:01:03

calling bullshit it's not true it's made up of beliefs so i don't know if he

2:01:07

was scared to begin with well at the The NJ does,

2:01:11

Paul asks why Greg and she says that.

2:01:15

I know the justification for them, but at the same time, that wouldn't stop the entity.

2:01:21

It would still walk towards you. True.

2:01:25

Yeah, so that's my argument. But she gets home, and then the third day,

2:01:29

I think, are we just making up the days?

2:01:32

No. So the last time they talked, it's been three days.

2:01:35

Okay, so he rolls up to her house. They're sitting on the porch, but Jay's upstairs.

2:01:41

Yeah, and then Greg comes over and asks if he can talk to her.

2:01:44

Her sister kelly says that she doesn't think it's a good

2:01:46

idea and they ask him you know they're

2:01:49

like have you like seen anything and he's like no like really i haven't seen

2:01:53

anything but i guess we'll know sooner or later if i do see something and if

2:01:58

it's real yeah and then paul he's like well i you know confused i don't get

2:02:03

it like he hit something he's like the chair broke mid-air,

2:02:07

and when that scene happened he lifted up his shirt when

2:02:10

the entity punched him and had like bruising on his stomach which i thought

2:02:13

that would play a little more of effect with what

2:02:16

was going on but really i wish they would

2:02:19

have touched a little bit more on that on the body affecting people yeah and

2:02:24

then greg again brushes it off and he's like well it was something and then

2:02:28

he goes yeah back back home and then here i don't know if more days go by because

2:02:33

i think it's later that night okay and she's sitting there not being able to

2:02:38

sleep she's looking out the window looking for that fucking thing, which I would be too.

2:02:42

Yeah. And then you see a younger man, guy.

2:02:46

You see Greg. Full on pajamas. Yeah, it's Greg.

2:02:50

It is? And she knocks on the window and she's like, hey, man. Like, hey.

2:02:57

And doesn't say anything. I thought Greg had longer hair. The thing has longer

2:03:01

hair right there. No, I did not see that. So, and then...

2:03:05

The entity starts shaking the handle, can't get in, and all of a sudden its MO is to break a window.

2:03:10

And it shatters a window, which Greg and his mom do not wake up.

2:03:16

The entity, I don't know if Greg's mom is home. The entity goes through the

2:03:20

window, and then that's when Jay runs down.

2:03:24

She tries calling him, and no one picks up her phone.

2:03:27

Yeah, and she runs across the street, and then nobody's still answering.

2:03:32

So she jumps through the window pretty much

2:03:35

incriminating herself even though this never comes

2:03:38

full circle you would think the cops would question her ass because her dna

2:03:42

and shit is all over the place prints everything but they don't that's cool

2:03:47

but again whatever nitpicking but so she goes upstairs and then the entity has

2:03:54

now taken the form of greg's mom and it's just

2:03:57

incessantly just beating on the door white robe just underwear no bra which which.

2:04:04

This thing's been beating on the door and then

2:04:07

it stops it doesn't acknowledge anybody else before

2:04:10

that that it's not have like the thing yeah the entity has someone in its sights

2:04:18

right and that's the only focus it has but this instance right here again an

2:04:22

inconsistency jay's like hey stop And then the entity looks at her,

2:04:27

stops knocking, and looks at her. It's never done that before, but it does it right there.

2:04:32

That's cheap. That's lazy writing.

2:04:35

Did it stop for Jeff? Did they have the interaction with Jeff?

2:04:39

No. If you remember, it kept walking past him, wasn't focused on him on the

2:04:45

first date thing when he has her in the wheelchair.

2:04:48

And any time before, it has never acknowledged anybody else. Cool.

2:04:54

I'm just saying i know you're so ticked by

2:04:57

the little inconsistencies like you

2:05:01

didn't catch that i did see that but it didn't bug

2:05:04

me i still think it's creepy it's his mom now yeah i just dude okay and then

2:05:10

so it starts being on the door again and then just like mom what the fuck and

2:05:14

then it's weird and he doesn't register it either like the mom's breasts out

2:05:19

and then well he kind of She's peeing her pants. Is she?

2:05:23

Yeah, she's peeing. And then all of a sudden, you see the entity leap on him

2:05:28

through the hallway. And then Jay's like, what the fuck?

2:05:31

Runs in there. There's like lights flashing out into the hallway.

2:05:35

And then the entity's just riding, dude. Full cowgirl on Greg. The most...

2:05:42

Craziest fucking scene in this entire movie

2:05:45

this was this was weird i'm like

2:05:48

dude what the fuck they focus in their hands are

2:05:50

like intertwining the way they're holding like a very sexual sensual time that

2:05:56

it was happening and then there was like the slobber just coming from between

2:06:00

them and then they focus on the crotch she's full with underwear on but it's

2:06:07

just oozing with like Like, the liquid and what they said online is,

2:06:12

you know, he is raped to death by the entity.

2:06:16

Yeah. It was shocking because it took the figure of his mom.

2:06:22

And then he's just laying there lifeless, just pale. You can kind of see in

2:06:27

the background, like, lights are still flickering. And then Jay runs out. She knows that it's back to her again. So she gets in the car.

2:06:36

Yeah, they peel out. And drives away. everybody gets out and goes and then you

2:06:42

see the entity is this the point when you see it upstairs,

2:06:45

no no on top of the house it just comes out of

2:06:48

greg's house and it's walking towards the car

2:06:51

that's right no this would this scene jay drives away by herself okay this is

2:06:57

where she goes out into the like the woods by herself okay she falls asleep

2:07:00

on the car so she does kind of similar what the girl did in the beginning of

2:07:04

the movie but this scene she gets out and she walks towards And then she sees three dudes on a boat.

2:07:10

You're like, you kind of figure, oh, I know what's going to go on.

2:07:14

She's going to do, you know, the deed. Yeah.

2:07:16

And so she starts to take her clothes off. She's going to swim out there.

2:07:20

So you think, and it shows her like getting back to the house.

2:07:25

Driving back. Driving back. She's upset. You think she went and did something she didn't want to do.

2:07:32

But in fact, she didn't do it. which you don't know until Kelly and them say

2:07:38

something or talking about it.

2:07:41

But did you think she went out there, swam out there on a little boat?

2:07:45

At first I thought she was going to, but when she's in the car driving back,

2:07:48

she still looked upset. So that kind of gave me like, okay, she didn't do it.

2:07:52

I took it as she was upset she did it. She's like, man, I had to reduce myself

2:07:56

and do this shit. The one thing that I found is...

2:08:00

You know, jumping on your bandwagon of inconsistencies. Oh, you have inconsistencies. Even if she had.

2:08:09

Let her rip, girl. Come on, go hard on it. Go hard. I've been going hard.

2:08:13

My thing is, so every time, yes, this is an exit way. You sleep with someone

2:08:19

else and you give it to them. I think the only way that this is effective is if you sit there and you have

2:08:24

a discussion with a person every single time Because if they don't know that

2:08:29

they're not supposed to know the thing touch you or kill it,

2:08:32

it's going to make it down. So obviously the person prior is going to be a lot more concerned over that,

2:08:37

you know. So every time you do it, you have to deliver a speech.

2:08:41

Well, so kind of like when you have herpes or AIDS.

2:08:45

From now on, yeah, you should probably have the conversation before.

2:08:49

Hey, by the way, probably get checked out. It's going to help you pull over.

2:08:54

I mean that's the scariest part of this whole movie right is the after sex conversation like,

2:09:02

it's like it's not like hey what's up it's like by the way i got rid of my demon,

2:09:11

and yeah and i would be like oh yeah you did girl you're going crazy and you're

2:09:15

like no you got rid of a real demon oh my gosh shit you gave me aids.

2:09:23

And then back at Jay's house She drives back So yeah she makes it home I don't

2:09:28

know if some time has gone by Because at this point the pool is drained out

2:09:32

And it looks dirty so no one's been using it Well it got like damaged,

2:09:37

Scenes of Jay again laying in bed Not eating So she's down and bummed out And

2:09:42

then Paul comes over And she's still in a panicky mood She still has like that

2:09:46

chair Trapped up behind the door keeping it locked,

2:09:50

And that's when, you know, she's like, well, it's still going to be here sooner

2:09:54

or later. And he's like, well, why don't you just pass it on?

2:09:58

And she says, I already did once.

2:10:00

This is where I was talking about earlier, you know, like she selected Greg

2:10:05

because she thought that he could take it.

2:10:08

He didn't, you know, seem scared. Right.

2:10:11

And Paul was like, well, I like you too.

2:10:15

And then he goes on to to

2:10:18

question you know she's getting

2:10:21

passed around like a dirty rag dude yeah and

2:10:24

then and the other thing that she says is greg and

2:10:26

i had already slept together in high school and it wasn't a big

2:10:29

deal so she knew like and i think and

2:10:32

this is where that scene where we see greg after

2:10:36

hanging out with those girls at the high school the next day

2:10:39

and it's fine yeah and why is greg hanging

2:10:42

out at a high school or not a high school just a school i'm

2:10:45

kidding i'm kidding no but she says you know we had

2:10:48

already slept before and he didn't make a big deal because i don't

2:10:51

know if it seemed like it was just sex it wasn't

2:10:54

greg's a player play a player

2:10:57

from the from this so right here

2:11:00

now they came up with the game plan though no and

2:11:04

then this is the scene so before they make their

2:11:07

plan something bugged me about paul he

2:11:10

like she's saying no yeah he's a little

2:11:12

rapey distressed she's depressed she's

2:11:16

anxious fucking feeling for her life and he's like come on girl

2:11:18

let me make a move and kiss her he's like let me get in those chonies he's like

2:11:23

i just want to help i was like dude fuck you you just want some punani bro get

2:11:28

the fuck out of here staring at her since the movie started before she had the

2:11:32

demon drooling at her yeah and then And the police are at Kirk's house investigating.

2:11:38

And then Paul sees the picture on Jay's mirror of her in the pool.

2:11:44

And that's where they get the idea. And he's like, do you remember...

2:11:48

Where they kiss for the first time. And she's like, yeah. And then they all get in the car.

2:11:54

Yeah, and that's the plan. And then they make a little comment when they're

2:11:57

getting there. They get out of the car and they have to walk away for some reason.

2:12:01

Well, you forgot the last entity that we see at Jay's house.

2:12:05

Your favorite one. So I thought he was stark ass naked and there's just old man dick up there.

2:12:11

He's wearing a loincloth. Oh, is he?

2:12:14

Yeah, it's a black loincloth. I paused it. I was just curious.

2:12:18

So I'm like, what's this? I needed to see what kind of hog this guy was working with.

2:12:24

But apparently he had a loincloth on.

2:12:29

Hey, I was trying to give this movie all the chance, okay? Well,

2:12:34

you're trying to find a plot hole in his pants.

2:12:38

In his wiener. I was trying to give it every opportunity to redeem itself,

2:12:42

okay? His penis was not realistic enough.

2:12:45

It was floating. And they should have never been floating. His balls were too low.

2:12:53

Well, that show we're watching, it's on Netflix with the arachnophobia Jeff Daniels.

2:12:59

Oh. It shows that rock hard fucking dick. That thing's so fake. It was like so huge.

2:13:06

They just open up the scene and his penis is whoop.

2:13:10

Man on the road. Oh, man in full. Hey, if anybody hasn't seen that,

2:13:15

it's a good series, by the way. Watch it. It's pretty entertaining.

2:13:18

So anyways, as they're getting there, they get out of the car and walk.

2:13:22

And Yara starts saying, you know, when I was a kid, I didn't understand.

2:13:26

And my parents said that you go past eight

2:13:29

mile never go past that and as

2:13:32

i don't know what she was saying i don't understand she said

2:13:36

the separation of cultures i guess and i

2:13:39

think the neighborhoods the neighborhoods too like you were

2:13:41

saying she said they wouldn't let her go past a mile i

2:13:45

didn't know what it meant but then when she got older she

2:13:48

realized that's where the city started and the servers

2:13:50

were ended or ended and then she says

2:13:53

that she remembers even to go to the state fair she had to

2:13:56

ask for permission to go to that side of yeah even when

2:13:59

going with her friend's parents yeah and

2:14:02

then they they get inside the pool or the

2:14:05

building yeah the rec center they're queuing

2:14:08

these like suitcases and then paul you know he's like how long the electronics

2:14:13

right she says yeah she says that maybe a few hours and then yeah you kind of

2:14:17

start seeing their plan develop so they're hooking up electronics like tvs radios

2:14:23

hair dryers all around the pool and plugging him in. Right.

2:14:26

So plan is get the entity in the water and electrocute it to death. Yeah.

2:14:31

And then... Thinking because at this point they know they can hurt it or at

2:14:35

least slow it down because they've...

2:14:38

Smacked it with the chair? Yeah, they hit it with the chair and they did something

2:14:41

else to it. Oh, they shot it in the head.

2:14:44

Oh, yeah, but it still got up. It still got up right away, but they're thinking

2:14:47

they can slow it down even with electrocuting it.

2:14:50

Well, I mean, it doesn't hurt to try. No. No, so their plan is they line everything

2:14:54

up around the pool, right? All the electricals.

2:14:58

Stuff they got them plugged in which i mean where

2:15:02

did they find all those extension cords their kids but

2:15:06

and that there was a lot of stuff that they

2:15:10

lined up that there's no way they packed in with them

2:15:12

because when they're walking they all had like one bag

2:15:15

each yeah like the tv and the radio was

2:15:18

like a bigger radio yeah and then so

2:15:21

the lamps are so big yeah it was dumb it

2:15:24

didn't makes sense and then she they're all

2:15:27

waiting around bored and the yara busts out

2:15:30

her clam phone thing a reader and

2:15:33

then her e-reader and then jay gets into the center

2:15:36

of the pool is waiting and then this is where she starts screaming because the

2:15:42

entity shows up and then kelly's like what what's it look like and this is where

2:15:47

i wish they would have emphasized and And maybe made the story a little bit

2:15:49

more compelling where they didn't make it super obvious the dad was it.

2:15:56

But they didn't even touch on it. They didn't touch on it whatsoever except

2:16:00

that little moment when she's like, I don't want to say.

2:16:02

She's protecting her sister. That part. I get that part. But they could have

2:16:06

done it a little bit more. Zoom in on his face a little more.

2:16:10

And, you know, having a little bit of dialogue with that. Like how traumatic

2:16:14

that is to see your dead dad. Daddy, I'm sorry. I love you.

2:16:18

Yeah, something like that. But no, they don't do that. And then the entity does

2:16:23

something different here too. He's like, fuck you. I'm going to play back. So is the entity afraid of water?

2:16:29

Does it somehow weaken it? I think it's, oh, that's one thing that Jeff said is it's smart.

2:16:35

It's slow, but it's really smart at the beginning.

2:16:38

But does it weaken it? Like, does water have a play in this?

2:16:41

Because it does not like water, and they're always around water when they.

2:16:47

I don't know that it doesn't like water. Yeah, because it doesn't get in.

2:16:50

It doesn't want to. Usually, any other time, this entity has walked straight

2:16:54

to the person. Or it knows what their plan is.

2:16:58

Maybe, I guess, but to me, that's not telling me the whole thing,

2:17:04

because even if it knows the plan, it's set to walk directly to the person.

2:17:09

I know, but the main purpose is to kill the person.

2:17:12

Right. So it's going to electrocute Jay and kill her.

2:17:18

Yeah, I guess. I don't know. And that's another part of this movie they don't

2:17:23

really explain in full when the electrical stuff is being thrown at her by the entity.

2:17:29

It's just chucking it at her. She's not getting electrocuted.

2:17:32

I know. That's where I was like, well, their plan wouldn't have worked either

2:17:35

way. It was stupid. Yeah. They're like, well, it's a good thing it doesn't work.

2:17:39

Which I'm like, this whole part of the movie is stupid. It's pointless.

2:17:44

But so now they're being thrown. But then Paul goes and gets the gun.

2:17:49

Yeah. Yeah, and he starts shooting. He accidentally shoots Yara in the leg.

2:17:53

And then Kelly finally did a smart thing. She took a sheet and was like waving

2:17:59

it around, trying to catch the entity so they know where it's at.

2:18:02

And they finally do catch the entity.

2:18:06

And then Paul is able to, what, shoot it?

2:18:10

Yeah, because they can actually see a figure finally. Yeah, and it falls into the pool.

2:18:16

And it does look like it's deterred for a second.

2:18:20

As she's trying to get up out of the pool, Jay, it grabs her foot,

2:18:24

her leg, and won't let her up.

2:18:27

And then again, Paul's dumbass is shooting at Jay. At the water, yeah.

2:18:32

And then luckily doesn't hit her. Hits the entity in the head again. Shoots him in the head.

2:18:38

And then let's go. She gets out. But then they're asking, hey, is it still there?

2:18:44

Well, she goes over to look over in the pool. And I thought this has been a

2:18:48

perfect jump moment if the thing jumped out and grabbed her. But it's not.

2:18:52

It's not. And then it does a weird thing that, again, has never happened before.

2:18:57

All this blood, the pool turns into blood. Oh, yeah.

2:19:02

So I don't understand what that was trying to say. It bleed?

2:19:06

I don't know. I don't know either. I think it's just to trick you for a second. Maybe you can kill it.

2:19:12

Yeah. Well, I know what it was trying to. I know what they're trying to do, but I just, eh.

2:19:18

How effective? How did you feel about it? Like, you were satisfied with that?

2:19:23

I knew it was too good to be true. Okay. I was like, oh, they shot it.

2:19:27

But how that scene went? You were satisfied with how that went?

2:19:32

Her looking over and just seeing blood. Well, just all together,

2:19:35

the whole scene, being in that pool, that whole pool scene.

2:19:40

Meh. Meh. I was too. That's what I'm saying. Meh.

2:19:45

So it cuts to now where they think they're kind of free. I don't think she thinks

2:19:50

it entirely, but Paul does.

2:19:53

He's like, oh, hell yeah. We're going to fucking knock boots, bro.

2:19:56

Are they at her house or his house? I think they're at his house.

2:20:01

Oh, yeah. And then they do the hanky panky.

2:20:04

Yeah, they're not. They ain't clicking heels. They're not getting boots.

2:20:07

They still have the door propped up against the door.

2:20:12

Oh, the chair propped up against the door. Yeah, and she rides him to Bone Town.

2:20:20

Oh, takes the fuck truck to Pound Town. Oh, my God.

2:20:28

Yeah, and then he asks if she feels any different. She says no. She's like, do you?

2:20:34

He's like, no. And there's like some of like the creepy, like sinister music

2:20:39

playing on the background. And the rain's just pouring. And then you see Becca J's house.

2:20:46

She's laying on her bed. And I think it's her mom that's supposed to be like scratching her back.

2:20:51

I don't know, caressing her to sleep. And she looks up and sees like a family

2:20:57

picture on her dresser again. And then they kind of focus a little bit on everybody's faces.

2:21:02

And I think this is where it clicked for me. Like, oh, shit,

2:21:04

that entity was her dad at the pool. When it goes from the pool to the picture. See, I knew it from the beginning of the movie.

2:21:12

Because it had been so long since they briefly showed the picture.

2:21:15

And I was like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. What happened? And then you see Paul driving around by a sketchy street.

2:21:24

It looks like there's prostitutes, ladies of the night.

2:21:28

So it makes you think, wait, is he going to pass it on to them?

2:21:30

And one of them is staring him down, which naturally, because he's staring at her.

2:21:34

Yeah, and he just keeps driving. being i know they go to

2:21:37

the hospital because he shot yara and she's

2:21:41

reading from her little shell e-reader she was shot so she's a gunshot victim

2:21:46

no cops are fucking investigating this shit apparently she didn't press charges

2:21:51

what a trooper you don't even if you don't even if you're not pressing charges

2:21:56

the cops are still gonna investigate a gunshot wound no way they

2:22:00

didn't show it rich was just not happy did you ever keep up with anything that she was saying.

2:22:07

Yeah when she's reading from her little shell thing i'll be honest i kind of

2:22:11

tuned out i did too i was like she's reading something some bullshit i know

2:22:15

it was something deep i got it had something to do with fucking whatever yeah

2:22:21

even the fucking jay and paul are tuned out too Dude, Jay's sleeping. Paul is asleep.

2:22:27

Yeah, Paul's asleep. Jay's like fucking daydreaming.

2:22:31

And then you go to cut to see Jay and Paul dating?

2:22:39

I don't know. They're holding hands. Walking down the street, holding hands. Holding hands.

2:22:42

And then all of a sudden, it shows out of nowhere a version of Paul behind them walking. Yeah.

2:22:51

Towards them and then the credits roll yep it

2:22:54

cuts to black i like the

2:22:58

little song oh yeah the main theme yeah

2:23:00

the score of this movie is an a plus for me

2:23:03

and the cinematography the the

2:23:06

cinematography of this is a plus it's just the storytelling babe just the storytelling

2:23:12

the movie explores with themes of loss of innocence emerging sexuality mortality

2:23:18

and And ultimately conveying the idea that death is inevitable and always lurking.

2:23:24

This movie, you know, is meant as a metaphor for sexual assault culture was

2:23:28

what some people interpreted as sexually transmitted diseases, of course.

2:23:33

And then the mistrust of authority and anxieties of growing up and losing freedoms of youth.

2:23:39

Because, yeah, at the beginning, they're just, you know, just being carefree, just going on a date.

2:23:44

And then it freaking just turns for the worst.

2:23:48

So i have a deeper thought on

2:23:51

this how this movie is you're bringing up and then

2:23:55

the inscapable nature of the curse the sexual transmission

2:23:58

but there are broader themes

2:24:01

to this movie and you can correct me if i'm wrong okay angelus but wrong no

2:24:06

but it covers loss of innocence the transition from adolescence to adulthood

2:24:13

is certainly a theme within this with the curse symbolizing the end of innocence

2:24:17

and the onset of adult fears and responsibilities.

2:24:22

Paranoia and anxiety, obviously. Consequences of action are another one.

2:24:29

Mortality and death. The ever-present threat of the entity serves as a metaphor

2:24:34

for inevitability of death, a constant looming presence that one can never fully escape.

2:24:43

And then, obviously, trust and betrayal, the need to rely on others,

2:24:46

and the fear of being let down or betrayed is highlighted through the characters'

2:24:51

interactions and the passing of the curse.

2:24:55

I agree. I feel like it's a good growing up consequences of your actions movie

2:25:02

because I feel like a lot of us, we're young,

2:25:07

we're going to live forever, we can do whatever we want.

2:25:11

Yeah. But, you know, sometimes your choices and life decisions have huge consequences.

2:25:18

So, yeah, I mean, this movie obviously can be interpreted with STDs, right?

2:25:23

But I think it also allows interpretation for multiple other ways.

2:25:27

And that's what I do like about the storytelling of it.

2:25:31

It's just a little bit tighter is all I'm asking for. A little bit tighter.

2:25:36

That's all I'm asking for. A lot of room for interpretation. yeah

2:25:39

and there's a lot left to be desired about this

2:25:42

movie is what i'm saying left a lot of meat on

2:25:45

the bone if you ask me so how

2:25:50

after talking about it for two

2:25:52

hours how do you feel how do you did your uh feelings about

2:25:56

this movie change i feel like after you know looking

2:26:00

at all the different ways and things that it can

2:26:03

be interpreted it's still okay and

2:26:06

again i think like maybe not necessarily horror

2:26:10

it's horror it's horror

2:26:13

but just light horror is

2:26:16

like fucking with your head yeah it's a psychological horror i don't know did

2:26:22

you do your opinion change do you still absolutely hate it you were like it's

2:26:26

gotten worse it's gotten worse talking about it i just maybe it's one of those

2:26:30

things too where this week maybe wasn't like super It's super great for me.

2:26:34

So like it, I noticed like mood affects a movie too.

2:26:39

So when you watch a movie, even a terrible movie, but you're in a great mood

2:26:44

and in the mood for it, it's, you're going to have a lot better outlook on it.

2:26:48

Okay. But that being said, even if I was in a great mood, this movie did not do it for me at all.

2:26:56

Okay. Like I said, and like, you know, I like good storytelling and this did,

2:27:03

this missed the mark a little bit. I'm not saying he's a terrible director.

2:27:06

I'm just saying this movie left a lot to be desired.

2:27:10

Well, it was his second biggest movie. I know. So.

2:27:15

And people love it. But I'm not the majority on this.

2:27:21

Critics and everybody love this movie. I just don't. You're on the critic end.

2:27:26

You're not on the... No, the critic end is acclaimed. People love this.

2:27:29

Even the critics do. Really? Yeah.

2:27:33

Did you look up what the reception was?

2:27:36

So scoring wise, IMDB gave it a 6.8 out of 10. Which is pretty good.

2:27:42

Rotten Tomatoes, 95%. Which is crazy.

2:27:46

And then Metacritic, 83%. So overall, high Raptor. Yeah, people love this.

2:27:52

And I don't know if it's necessarily a unique concept because Smile,

2:27:57

I guess Smile came afterwards, that movie.

2:28:00

Oh, yeah. And I think who covered that? A podcast covered The Resemblance. You guys.

2:28:05

Was it Chuddle? No, the Horror Junkies covered it last week, actually.

2:28:10

Smile, and they were mentioning some references to It Follows.

2:28:14

Which, now that they said that, I can see that, too, their creativity on it.

2:28:19

Which, I didn't like Smile as much, but I thought that was creepier than this movie. Yeah.

2:28:25

And that form of entity is, yeah, it had more of a visual effect.

2:28:30

And then people like the atmospheric tension the critics did and the homage

2:28:34

to classic horror. Which, I...

2:28:39

Yeah, I get it. This is, he wishes he could be Halloween in this movie. Oh my gosh.

2:28:45

I did see there were some people were, you know, there was comments about similarities

2:28:49

with IT as well, as far as like shape-shifting demonic entity, terrorizing a group.

2:28:56

Yeah, it's your worst fears. And then there's also, you know,

2:29:00

the fact that some of the actors here have been on the IT movies.

2:29:05

I don't know that it doesn't necessarily have a connection, just the whole shape-shifting thing though. Could be.

2:29:11

Do you want me to pull up reviews? Yeah, let's hear it.

2:29:15

So this week, Vianna's review corner is now Angela's review corner for this week.

2:29:21

I'm assuming she fell asleep.

2:29:24

Yeah, but hey, it's only 11.22. Usually it's like 1.30 in the morning, 2 in the morning.

2:29:29

I sent her a couple texts letting her know that we were almost done.

2:29:33

And I remain unread. Whoa, she ghosted us? She did send me earlier her reviews

2:29:41

that she found because today was her last day of school. She had a play date.

2:29:46

What do you call it? A play date? She went to go watch movies with friends and

2:29:49

hang out with her friends after. So she wasn't sure she was going to make it. I'm assuming she's pooped out.

2:29:56

Okay. So she said her reviews. She found them on Letterboxd.

2:30:02

Shout out Letterboxd. Someone said abstinence. five stars and a heart someone said sex question mark

2:30:11

canceled four and a half stars, and then someone else said they should have listened to the gym teacher from

2:30:18

mean girls five stars and a heart that one's pretty good someone else said i

2:30:23

must have missed the safe sex lecture about demonic pussy in high school four

2:30:28

and a half stars and a heart, we've all been entangled with that before someone said

2:30:34

i've contracted many stds and i never seen

2:30:37

no ghost four stars in a heart someone has

2:30:42

said everyone is reading this movie in an ironic sense right half stars okay

2:30:47

that's where i'm at someone else said i'd be thinking of oh fuck dude i would

2:30:52

rather have just given me chlamydia or even a baby four and a half stars oh

2:30:56

my god a little A little Damien. A little Damien.

2:30:59

I found these, I found a couple more on just Google and Rotten Tomatoes.

2:31:04

Oh, these are your personal? These are my personals.

2:31:06

Should we call these people out by name? Let's make them famous. Paul Landers, give it one star, said,

2:31:14

this is a real turkey of a movie. I was very disappointed as I've read so many rave reviews of this movie being

2:31:20

really scary and terrifying. What's his name? Paul Landers. Yeah, fucking Paulie. Dude, I'm right there with

2:31:27

you. It is a turkey of a movie. He said the most, there was one scene at the beginning, a girl who says,

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I've got India and then farts on her friends. And what's worse is that that's

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the most frightening moment in the movie. I agree. Couldn't agree more.

2:31:44

Someone. And then here's another one. Maxine Stockton gave it four stars.

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This movie makes me laugh a bit due to the fact I see a kind of like those sex

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education lessons about STDs.

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Though this time we're putting teens off of having premarital sex by saying

2:32:02

a demon might chase them. Remember, before having sex, you need to check for any sexually transmitted

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diseases and always check that they aren't being followed by a demon.

2:32:11

Perfect way to scare teenagers. This person's theory is that since the demon... Okay, I got a question.

2:32:18

Hold that thought real quick. Okay. So, do you have to have,

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you know, fornication or intercourse like the normal way, God's way?

2:32:27

What the fuck is God's way? Do you, like, what if you do, like,

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do other forms of sexual acts work?

2:32:35

Like, you know, going through the, everybody, amateur, going through the back

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door. You're just slamming the back door. Does the entity follow you then? Probably.

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Or, like, let's say, you know, you're using different parts of your body, your mouth.

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Like, does that, is it the same effect? I mean, it's a form of sex.

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Oral sex. Okay. Okay, I don't know. I was just curious.

2:33:01

More rules. Richard needs to know. Okay, continue.

2:33:04

This person has a theory about how to defeat it. They said, wouldn't it make

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sense to find a very high-demanded prostitute?

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And the demon would be very busy for years hunting down a numerous amount of people.

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Well, not necessarily because then the thing's going to transfer to one other person.

2:33:22

Michael Grant, five-star. It would be more like guys who hire prostitutes all the time.

2:33:30

Intense paranoia, five stars. Yeah.

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Someone else, Kevin Jones, five stars, found, saw some of the correlation with

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70s and 80s horror movies. Mm-hmm.

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And someone, this person, they left their name, just three stars,

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said, I think herpes is the least of your worries.

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Oh, yeah, with that fucking demon? Yeah. This person, James.

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I wish I was left with herpes at that point.

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James, age five stars, said, watched it many times. Sometimes even every person in his family has this.

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I can say it could also be used as a tool for your kids. And you know what I mean?

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Great message for kids not to have marital sex. Is it the premarital sex?

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I don't know if this is the message I want to give my kid. You know what I mean?

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Watch this movie. It'll scar you for life. I don't think that it would scar them.

2:34:22

I just don't think this would be the movie I'd show them about the birds and the bees, you know?

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And then there was a lot of, you know, a good amount of reviews also that said it was just boring.

2:34:33

Yes. I'm right there with that. Low. Overrated.

2:34:38

Overrated. Bah, bah. Bah, bah, bah. Yeah. So, cool. Well, thank you for the reviews.

2:34:45

Venata. Now, imagine this. I was just thinking about this.

2:34:50

Oh, shit. So, growing up, like, we had different horror movies that we grew

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up with. Nightmare on Elm Street. Chucky. Think about the people that were born around that, the young,

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that this was their introduction to horror, this. It follows.

2:35:06

And think about like people that are, let's say in their teens now that will

2:35:12

be in their thirties, maybe doing a podcast and they bring up it follows as

2:35:18

the scariest thing that freaked them out.

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I just think about that. I'm like, fuck. Fuck. I mean, what are their thoughts

2:35:26

and opinions going to be down the road? That's fucking insane.

2:35:29

I mean, they're going to have different idols, different...

2:35:33

Realities yeah it's fucking

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crazy so do you think this movie's gonna hold up apparently

2:35:40

it's still going strong holds for some people yeah

2:35:44

i mean if you like the the hardcore game of tag this movie's for you talk with

2:35:50

your generals well it starts with your generals then you just it's it's not

2:35:56

a high octane chase but you imagine though just fucking always Always running, running.

2:36:02

So here's my other concept. Oh, Lord, no. So the thing walks.

2:36:06

So the thing walks to wherever you are. So let's say like she left it at the

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beach and then goes back home. It walks all the way from the beach to the home, right?

2:36:16

Well, what happens if you go, you trek from Seattle to New York? Okay.

2:36:22

It's walking all the way through there. You've got months before that fucking

2:36:26

thing is going to come for you. And then. Chill, take a vacation. And then I'll go a step further.

2:36:32

I know to solve your solution. Fucking fly.

2:36:36

Yeah, fly to the UK. The thing can't get to you. It won't cross the ocean.

2:36:41

Well, they never said it didn't cross the ocean. How is it going to cross the ocean?

2:36:45

Walking. It won't. It'll sink to the bottom. It'll go to the depths of fucking nowhere, dude.

2:36:51

So that's what I'm saying. It just, you can outlive it. You just got to go live in Europe.

2:36:57

You think there's multiple entities? Or a different continent.

2:37:00

Huh? You think there's multiple entities? Nope. I think there's one. Oh, okay.

2:37:05

You think he's going to call up another entity, buddy, and be like,

2:37:08

yo, they're coming into your backyard. It's out of my boundaries. Different country. I don't have my passport renewed.

2:37:16

It's a bitch right now. There's a long wait.

2:37:19

You get it for me. I'll get the next one, buddy. That's all I'm saying.

2:37:23

It's easily to escape. You could actually live a pretty good life living across

2:37:29

country. You just got to time it right. And you can do the math. You're a smart girl. Numbers are your thing.

2:37:36

At the speed, you can track the speed in which it's walking. The math.

2:37:40

You can track the speed in which it's walking, the miles per hour,

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and then say, okay, it's going to take this amount of time to cover this many miles.

2:37:50

You know what I mean? You can track it out just fine.

2:37:53

Richard. What? You know our catchphrase at the end? Yeah. Are you ever going

2:37:58

to explain where it came from? Wow, let's keep it a mystery until, like, episode 200.

2:38:06

Okay. No, you don't want to? No, yeah. Unless we get massive people asking.

2:38:12

Anyways, we do got to wrap this up. Oh, but before we do, we're missing a few things.

2:38:18

One, I need your favorite kill.

2:38:22

Ooh, Greg and the mom. Greg and the mom? Yeah, the mom. Oh, okay.

2:38:28

Okay yeah taking like the image of his mom yeah looking like his mom raping

2:38:35

him to death the intertwining of the hands i was like oh yeah this line that's

2:38:40

the only kill in the movie isn't it no there's a girl at the beginning of the

2:38:43

movie yeah but it doesn't show it and then.

2:38:47

Yeah so they only have two kills yeah oh

2:38:50

shit oh great riveting stuff what's

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your favorite kill for sure you got two options and then

2:38:59

you gotta rate it i would say greg's kill just because

2:39:02

it was graphic what what is your rating i'm

2:39:05

gonna give it a 1.7 a 2 1.72 it's 1.7 or 2 i know let's round it to you're gonna

2:39:16

round it up i'd round it down i i'm i'm giving it a 1.5 no i thought I thought

2:39:23

you were going to go to fucking one or something. No. Dude, I'm not a complete asshole. There's some good parts of this movie. I'll give it a two.

2:39:31

Two out of five. You're giving it a two out of five? I give it a 1.5 because

2:39:34

it is beautifully shot and I love the score.

2:39:37

Okay. But yeah, story. Left to be desired. A lot left.

2:39:41

A lot of meat on that bone. Maybe you'll like next week's movie better.

2:39:46

What is that? I thought we were covering Nightmare on Elm Street.

2:39:50

Oh, the newest one? The Wiz Craven?

2:39:52

No, that's the new Nightmare. That's the last one.

2:39:57

So I'm talking about the 2011, 2012 one. The remake.

2:40:02

Yeah, the one everybody hates. Why are you making us watch movies that everybody

2:40:06

hates? I actually enjoyed this one.

2:40:08

People were shitting on it because it didn't have Robert Englund in it.

2:40:12

I want to see Robert Englund. I do too, but we're going to save that.

2:40:17

I'm not saying this one's superior, but it's not bad.

2:40:21

It's a pretty good movie. If you fucking shit on it next week,

2:40:25

I'm going to call you out.

2:40:28

Listen, Linda. linda i did this

2:40:31

one the fans wanted to hear it you i

2:40:34

and i'm sorry if i fell flat or if i came across

2:40:37

as angry on this one but like dude it's

2:40:41

hard to bring the energy on something i didn't choose or we didn't collaborate

2:40:45

on would you agree like i don't know no and you had mentioned that you wanted

2:40:51

to watch this because you hadn't gotten a chance to see it yet yeah so i just

2:40:56

got But I would have kept putting it off. I would have kept putting it off.

2:40:59

Well, and it did come off the list at one point. It did. And we do.

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And we said we're going to watch the good and the bad. And even the what the

2:41:06

fucks. And this comes down to what the fuck.

2:41:10

But no, yeah. So I give it a 1.5. You give it a 2. Yeah.

2:41:15

I guess. Do we have anything else we need to cover? Stay tuned for next week.

2:41:20

Yeah. Thanks for the support. Hasta la goce. Hasta la goce.

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