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G'day. I'm Gary

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Stephens. And welcome

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to the third season of the History

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in the Bible podcast. In

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this final season, I explore

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how the Jews and the Christians

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constructed new religions when they were

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sent spinning into the void after

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the destruction of the temple. All

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of the history about all of the

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books beyond the Bible. Episode

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3.34 The Series

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Finale – Speculations

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Part 5 Welcome

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to the final show in my main

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narrative, The Series Finale.

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There will be the occasional bonus

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episodes in future, but the

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chronicle I began 9 years ago in

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2015 has finally reached its

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natural conclusion. And

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I'm old and fatigued. It

1:07

is time to pack up my bongos and

1:09

leave the stage. I

1:12

don't know about you, but I've had a

1:14

ball. I made

1:16

so many new friends. Of

1:19

course, you the listener really made the

1:21

show what it was. Thank

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you to all who emailed me over

1:26

the years. I

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replied to each and every person. Except

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the complete nutcases of course. I

1:35

am so glad you came with me

1:37

on my journey and that I

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gave you a few hours of listening pleasure.

1:42

I learned a vast amount over the years

1:45

and I hope that I have passed some

1:47

of that down to you. My

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podcast was researched, produced,

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written, narrated and recorded

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by me, Gary Stephens. My

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cat was no helper to me. I have

2:02

relied entirely on the writings of others.

2:05

Such virtues as the show has are

2:07

entirely due to them. All

2:10

its shortcomings are my own. I

2:13

can only claim two modest contributions

2:16

to Bible Studies. The

2:18

first is coining the term

2:20

Imperial Church Incorporated. I

2:23

think this introduces a worthy new

2:26

concept into Bible Studies. The

2:28

second is proposing the logistic growth

2:31

model of Christianity. I

2:34

am shocked to say that

2:36

proper mathematicians are now expanding

2:38

on my initial simplistic proposal.

2:42

Let me conclude with a potted biography.

2:45

No one has actually asked me for this but let

2:48

me indulge myself. I

2:51

began my working life as an

2:53

academic in Australian and American universities.

2:56

I gained so many degrees that I now

2:58

have 27 letters after my name. Each

3:02

and every letter has been utterly

3:05

useless. Back

3:07

in the day I wrote three books issued

3:10

by major American publishers and

3:13

translated into a few languages. One

3:16

of those books was used by other scholars

3:19

to construct an entirely new

3:21

sociological way of looking at

3:23

the profession of architecture. Now

3:26

no one thought to tell me about that development for 25

3:28

years. Entirely

3:31

unbeknownst to myself I

3:33

had become the founding figure of

3:36

a miniature, iny weeny new school

3:38

of thought. By

3:40

then I had long left academia

3:43

and joined the real world as

3:45

an IT contractor. As

3:48

I aged I had more and more

3:50

down time between contracts. IT

3:53

is an industry populated by young

3:55

people. No potential

3:57

boss in a tech industry. kindly

4:00

on a job candidate, old enough to

4:02

be their father. I

4:05

began the show as a hobby to

4:07

fill in that downtime. I

4:10

immersed myself in research for two

4:12

years before I recorded my first

4:15

show. And long ago

4:17

that was. Oh

4:20

and before I forget, as a

4:22

final flourish, I am working on an

4:24

Amazon self-published set of paperback volumes about

4:26

the show. There

4:28

will be four in the series. One

4:31

for each season and one

4:33

collection of visual resources derived from

4:36

my website. The

4:38

volume of resources will be published first.

4:41

I'll let you know when the first paperback is

4:43

available. So

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with this episode I finish the

4:48

series with three more speculations. First,

4:52

what if Marcianism had become the

4:54

orthodoxy of the Imperial Church in

4:57

Corbett? Second,

4:59

could Manichaeism have swallowed up

5:01

the church? And

5:03

finally, could the church have

5:06

survived and prospered had it

5:08

not become the state religion of the Roman

5:10

Empire? Well Steve, we're

5:12

on the home stretch in

5:14

our speculations. Scenario

5:18

13. What

5:20

might have happened if the church had

5:22

gone down the Marcianite route? Or

5:25

if you can say the Marcianites would have won? Who

5:28

are the Marcianites? Fairly

5:30

early on in church history, around about the year 130 I

5:32

think, a wealthy guy called

5:35

Marcian who was the son of a bishop

5:37

in Asia Minor comes to Rome and he

5:39

basically tries to buy his way into the

5:41

church. He gives

5:43

the Roman church a massive amount of money.

5:46

I actually did some calculations and I was like enough

5:49

money to feed all the Christian

5:51

poor in Rome for about three years on

5:53

bread. But

5:55

he starts coming up with ideas which

5:57

the Roman church thinks are decidedly

6:00

off. So Marcin's

6:02

in Rome and he starts church

6:06

become incredibly dubious about. But

6:36

Marcin says, no I'm going

6:39

to ditch the entire Old Testament. Here's

6:41

my canon and he's the first person in

6:43

Christianity to explicitly create a canon. And here's

6:46

canon is for what in Getha it's a

6:48

sort of a shortened version of the book

6:50

of Luke and all the

6:52

letters of Paul that Marcin knows about. He

6:55

redacts them to to remove sort of Jewish

6:58

influences. The Roman

7:00

Jesus Club basically said, no, no, no, no, no,

7:02

no, this is all wrong. Our

7:05

roots are in Judaism. They

7:07

boot him out of the city in effect. They return

7:09

his money and I'm sure that was hard to do

7:11

because it was a lot of money. Marcin

7:14

goes back to Asia Minor and

7:16

he invented his own parallel church basically. It

7:19

was never a threat to Christianity. It

7:23

just didn't really take off. But

7:25

had Marcin succeeded in persuading the

7:28

Roman Jesus Club of teaching Judaism.

7:31

Well that entire link is cut and

7:34

Christianity then becomes its own unique

7:37

religion and I'm sure given

7:39

that all this is happening around about the year 130, by

7:41

around the year 200, Christianity

7:44

would have forgotten entirely about its

7:46

Jewish roots. Our here

7:48

happened to have been born in Judea

7:51

but it would have regarded that as important as

7:53

had he been born in Espana

7:56

or Gallia. Now

7:58

Steve, do you think that Marcinism had

8:00

a chance of becoming the Orthodoxy? I

8:03

think that's the major question. Didn't it have a chance? I

8:07

don't think it had the chance

8:09

to be the major Orthodoxy. It

8:12

just seemed that that was just a

8:15

bridge too far, because most of the

8:17

people really were Jewish or

8:19

were attracted to the religion because

8:21

of that Jewish element. And to

8:23

just completely cut that out would

8:25

be, I think that that just

8:27

would be too much. And

8:30

that I think that it would have watered

8:33

down the religion too much. It would have

8:35

really felt, I think, for most people back

8:37

then, yet he was inventing something brand new,

8:39

which they were not big fans of brand

8:41

new. Yeah, the

8:43

Romans really didn't like brand new. To

8:46

them, that was a superstition as

8:49

opposed to a religio. The

8:52

Romans loved like Egyptian religions.

8:54

Even Judaism were honored as

8:56

being ancient. But this

8:58

new stuff that you guys are thinking up. Gary

9:01

and I were talking about Dutch

9:03

influences on English. It could be

9:05

poppycock. Poppycock. Which

9:09

is interesting that it's much more

9:11

popular in Britain to say something's

9:13

poppycock, but it actually came through

9:15

the Dutch in America and

9:18

then made the leap over to British

9:20

English, which is unusual at that time.

9:23

But that's a whole different story for a different

9:26

day. Poppycock does sound

9:28

like one of those quintessential British

9:30

expressions. Poppycock, old

9:32

chap. Poppycock. Spoken

9:35

by a middle-aged retired colonel

9:39

with a big handlebar mustache and

9:42

preferably one of those pith helmets. I've

9:46

actually got a pith helmet. Oh,

9:51

maybe we'll have to have that

9:54

in the show thumbnail. You wearing

9:56

the pith helmet? With

9:59

mars. Marcionism, maybe

10:01

as an alternative to it

10:03

becoming the Orthodoxy, I wonder

10:05

if it really caught

10:08

hold in Rome, let's say. Maybe

10:12

it wasn't revolutionary. It just

10:14

slowly, over time, the

10:16

Jewishness of Christianity faded

10:19

away. And this

10:21

idea that the God, the Hebrew

10:23

God, the God of Israel was

10:25

the Demiurge and that Jesus is

10:27

the real manifestation and eons and

10:29

all that stuff, that they go

10:32

into that direction maybe over 50

10:34

years and it

10:36

causes a multipolar Christianity where

10:39

in the West, people

10:41

are more towards this non-Jewish

10:43

version and that almost maybe

10:45

becomes a rump version of

10:47

Christianity because that

10:49

could have split the Roman Empire earlier.

10:54

Or what does Constantine take up?

10:57

There could have been a much

10:59

earlier cleavage between the Latin-speaking and

11:01

the Greek-speaking parts of Christianity which

11:04

didn't really completely separate until 1100

11:06

or something in

11:08

the early... Yeah. Or

11:10

even as another alternative to

11:12

that Marcionism vibe stuck in

11:15

Rome. Even

11:17

if Rome stays nominally Orthodox,

11:19

there's always the... It's stuck

11:21

in people's craw that Rome

11:23

just isn't right heresy-wise and

11:26

the bishop of Rome doesn't

11:28

accumulate that power because people

11:30

just don't respect Rome. Oh,

11:32

Rome. There

11:35

they go again. Now

11:37

that's a possibility and you kind

11:39

of had the bishops or the

11:42

patriarchs of Alexandria and Angio becoming

11:44

the big guys until Constantine of

11:46

course built Istanbul, Constantinople. Yeah,

11:50

there's a lot of possibilities I

11:52

think with that and I think

11:54

that's another one where it's

11:56

maybe the alternative history that Marcionism

11:59

doesn't take. over in Rome.

12:02

You have to be pretty back

12:05

that much money. An amazing

12:09

act of the

12:12

fantasy views really quite

12:14

repugnant. But just for

12:16

the two of you about say Rome goes

12:18

that way, I suppose they

12:21

could have then started to regard

12:23

the Old Testament a bit like

12:25

most Christians regard the apocryphal books

12:28

today. You know,

12:30

there's first and second Maccabees and

12:32

there's Baruch. Yeah,

12:34

yes, yeah, I heard about them once. Now

12:39

the next scenario is Steve. The

12:41

Manicheans take on Christianity.

12:45

Now Steve, I'm going to rely a lot on your

12:48

insights here. What I

12:50

know is a guy called is the pronounced

12:52

Manny, Manny. Take

12:54

your choice. Manny

12:57

was active around about the year 240

13:00

in the society and Sassanid Empire.

13:04

The year 240 is if I remember correctly the

13:06

time of great political crisis in the Roman Empire,

13:08

but that's by the by. Manny

13:11

seems to have viewed himself as the

13:13

final successor in a long line of

13:15

prophets and he regarded himself as a

13:17

universal messenger designed to replace all other

13:20

religions and he

13:22

recorded his teachings in writings. The

13:24

religion he founded seems to have been a real

13:27

octopus. It just

13:30

sucked in everything that it could find.

13:33

Bits of Christianity, bits of Zoroastrianism,

13:36

bits of Gnosticism and

13:39

the Manichean Church was dedicated to

13:41

vigorous missionary activity like the Christian

13:43

Church was. Manicheism

13:45

seems to have been really quite successful

13:48

and he spread throughout all

13:50

the Aramaic speaking regions of

13:53

the Near East. So

13:55

it spreads out from the Sassanid Empire

13:58

into parts of the Roman Empire. seems

14:00

to have been very popular. And

14:03

it sort

14:35

of thing. Now firstly, do you

14:37

think it's really

14:39

a biggest threat? I

14:41

don't know if it was a threat per se.

14:45

That's really in the time in the

14:47

Roman Empire where they were going towards

14:49

making Christianity the official religion and then

14:51

by the time of Theodosius, the only

14:54

religion. I

14:56

think you could maybe make the

14:58

case that it's almost like what

15:00

do they say non-African humans have

15:02

a certain percentage in Neanderthal DNA

15:05

in them. But

15:07

I think that you could make

15:10

the case with Augustine, St. Augustine

15:12

or Augustine if you prefer having

15:14

been a Manichaean during a

15:17

really pivotal part of his

15:19

life. There's some

15:22

ideas that have snuck into

15:25

Augustine and it'll probably it

15:27

was in his religious DNA

15:30

this idea of dualism and

15:33

that snuck into his writing and you

15:35

could almost say that certain strains of

15:38

Christianity today have a

15:40

little Manichaeanism. That

15:42

might be a controversial opinion but

15:44

I'd love to

15:46

hear what people have to say about that. I think

15:49

there you could maybe make that case. You

15:52

could say that the alternative timeline actually

15:54

did happen and Christianity

15:57

absorbed elements of Manichaeanism. So

16:01

you don't think it's possible that I

16:04

am and say Constantine or whoever might

16:08

have made it the state religion instead

16:11

of Christianity. You don't think that's a goer? It

16:13

seems like the like Manichaeanism wasn't

16:16

the going concern in around the time

16:18

of Constantine. I mean I could be

16:20

wrong on that. But

16:23

so even if we put that aside, it

16:25

seemed like Manichaeanism spread differently

16:27

than Christianity as well. It

16:30

was like a wildfire and it just blasted out and

16:33

it almost seemed like it couldn't

16:35

maintain that rate of growth. So

16:39

it was a wildfire destined to die in the end.

16:42

I must admit, had I been alive say

16:44

the fourth century, I would have been very

16:47

worried about Manichaeanism because it just does seem

16:49

to have been this great intellectual. I

16:51

need a word, I'm sick of using

16:53

the word octopus, something which sucks in

16:56

everything. Black hole.

16:59

That's it. Manichaeanism

17:01

seems to have been a black hole

17:03

of a religion which just consumed everything

17:06

in its path and threatened to dominate

17:08

the religious universe. And

17:10

it had the advantage I suppose over Christianity in that

17:13

it wasn't exclusive. I mean you could be a Manichaean

17:15

and be something else. But

17:17

Manichaeanism was so flexible and all encompassing.

17:19

Being something else almost didn't matter. It

17:23

was probably already part

17:25

of Manichaeanism. Yeah and I

17:27

think that's why it's spread into India

17:29

and it's spread into China and even

17:31

beyond. And

17:34

sort of in parallel with Christianity, it

17:36

seemed to have run parallel to Christianity

17:38

and it may have really been that

17:40

when Islam came around, it cut the

17:43

middle out of it. Almost

17:46

like with Christianity in those areas

17:48

of the Middle East that Islam

17:50

went into, they just didn't have

17:52

the juice to stick around. Christianity

17:54

stuck around a little bit more

17:56

in the Persian Empire in that

17:58

time And in that. Place at the

18:01

weren't on top of that social structure.

18:03

You probably were gonna be a pretty

18:05

big trouble and near long term outlawed.

18:09

I miss you Talk to the state Religion demon. Yeah.

18:12

Exactly like if you weren't the state

18:14

religion or your days were numbered. Maybe.

18:17

Manichaean as and could have reached a

18:19

point where a couldn't be stamped out

18:21

by that islam The advent of Islam

18:23

that I think what if spell the

18:25

end of it because it really did

18:28

a cut the men allowed of heads

18:30

and that would be really hard to

18:32

overcome. Her. Other theories

18:34

that the man a key and turn

18:36

it into the Bulger me else

18:38

and some of those odd gnostic christian

18:41

sagged spend same audible Eastern Europe

18:43

European Slavic i don't have those are

18:45

owed really off of wall theories

18:47

but it kind of makes sense. Some.

18:50

As far as it's entirely possible, And

18:53

we know what happened to that. The and A Cathouse

18:55

and the Vulgar Mills in Europe. That

18:58

could be that reverse situation where

19:01

manichaean as I'm say it does

19:03

take over the empire and it

19:05

just takes at suck softball lot

19:08

of christianity and to at so

19:10

it's maybe sixty percent christian. net.

19:13

And. Has a very heavy belabor

19:15

of christianity, but it's not

19:18

the whole structure of the

19:20

Orthodox church said all the

19:22

hierarchy that comes with that

19:24

norma arguing about spine points

19:26

of theology. I

19:29

guess all these days. We.

19:32

Know that Constantine

19:34

legalized Christianity. It's

19:37

not entirely clear whether he himself was a

19:39

christian I mean cause any got baptized on

19:41

these displayed did. Me which. Seems a little

19:43

bit I'm a cop asks. About

19:46

two generations later it was went to

19:48

the state by see as doses who

19:50

basically said i can everyone's a christian

19:52

now with you like it or not.

19:56

says the state supported and

19:58

promoted the organ structure of

20:00

the church. It

20:03

gave it money, it gave it protection. Would

20:06

Christianity have succeeded, prospered and carried

20:08

on, had that not happened? That's

20:12

an interesting one because then we have

20:14

a Roman Empire that's a pluralistic society

20:16

where you can be who you want

20:18

to be and I wonder

20:21

how that would look practically

20:24

in a situation because even

20:26

during that time period between

20:28

Constantine legalizing Christianity and giving

20:31

it boosts, maybe not

20:33

the official religion but the preferred

20:35

religion to Theodosius that it becomes

20:38

the official religion, Christianity

20:40

is still the preferred religion and

20:43

then you have that oddball time period

20:45

with Julian the apostate and that doesn't

20:47

really take off. I

20:50

think Christianity would have stayed around

20:52

for sure and I think that

20:54

it probably would have been the

20:57

preferred religion because most of the

20:59

emperors were Christian and Christianity had

21:01

really sunk such deep roots especially

21:03

in the east. It

21:06

might have been a different situation in the

21:08

west though. Maybe

21:10

you do have a situation where the

21:12

people probably Sol Invictus would have risen

21:15

to the top. That's

21:17

true. And you have a situation you could

21:19

be a Sol Invictus person, you could be

21:21

a Christian and maybe they syncretize together or

21:24

maybe they have the battles between each other.

21:26

And actually just

21:28

speaking of the west, I wonder what

21:30

would have happened then with the barbarian

21:32

invasion. Now Steve,

21:35

I just know you're going

21:37

to talk about Arianism. What

21:39

exactly is Arianism? It's

21:41

funny you should ask. That's

21:46

the brand name you might

21:49

say for a position that

21:51

was called more properly. It's

21:54

called Subordinationism. It's A

21:56

Christological discussion of where

21:58

does Jesus. That said,

22:00

Air Net, The Trinity. But.

22:03

Areas would say that or

22:06

the subordination as fits that

22:08

Jesus is not God is.

22:11

Now. There's a spectrum, as Jesus

22:13

does very best human being that's

22:15

ever been. Sort of the an

22:18

archetype, all human being. a perfect

22:20

human beings. These.

22:22

Are ideas that go back all the

22:24

way to the very beginning of the

22:26

Christian Movement. Is

22:28

Jesus a perfect human being? Sort of

22:31

almost where the Jewish view you might

22:33

say. All. The weight to that

22:35

he was just a manifestation of God

22:38

the with the subordination of would say

22:40

yes Jesus was actual person who lived

22:42

in time and. He

22:45

sees something less than God

22:47

the Father. And

22:49

there's offshoots to about where the Holy

22:52

Spirit sets and their that beds. Basically

22:54

God the Father Jesus A Holy Spirit.

22:56

But they would say is that that

22:59

you can go down a real philosophical

23:01

and theological rabbit hole up how Jesus

23:03

emanates from. Matt Got a God the

23:06

Father and all that stuff. Some.

23:09

People say that for example, the

23:11

Gospel of John has area and

23:13

elements to weds or subordination as

23:15

talmud. Were. How it

23:17

gets said in an area that is

23:20

that there was a breeze. Ah of

23:22

Alexandria. His name is Harry. Yes, And.

23:25

He was sort of a spokesman

23:28

for arianism. He wrote hims that

23:30

sailors would pick up. From.

23:33

What I've read it's is that

23:35

they were almost like Rome and

23:37

sea shanties. know add sailors with

23:39

sing man. A

23:41

Interestingly enough for a lot of

23:43

vivid the Goths but Visigoths and

23:45

the ask for God's work Christian

23:47

already they were area ends before

23:50

they had conquered Rome. I thought

23:52

I did know that really? They.

23:55

Had been converted at what

23:57

they lived in north of

23:59

the Danube and again modern

24:01

day Bulgaria region and. A

24:04

lot of them had been

24:07

converted to area in christianity

24:09

through the Byzantine empire. But.

24:12

It was sort of a soft peronism you

24:14

might say. Oh, Jesus

24:16

was something more than meets you

24:18

men by less than Deborah hi

24:21

Im it says split be a

24:23

logical hair Hers even more. So.

24:26

I wonder favorite com and and

24:28

maybe had an easier time and

24:30

converting people in the west to

24:32

area in his home as opposed

24:34

to and promo or while it

24:36

when be proud orthodoxy at a

24:38

be at orthodoxy at that point.

24:42

Maybe. It would have been easier

24:44

for them to have converted where

24:46

the christians already there were and

24:48

this struggle with Saul invictus people

24:50

or whoever as but pay again

24:52

that reprise his to the top.

24:55

And. The ike's may don't

24:58

become Catholic or orthodox.

25:01

They. Become Aerion Them. Now.

25:04

The scenario you're painting. Is

25:07

basically that Roman west stays

25:09

a plurality religions, but it

25:11

it may have been converted

25:13

to christianity by the pup

25:15

areas. That. Be an

25:17

interesting thing to to see. She's.

25:20

Wouldn't be that's a weird seem to think about

25:23

that that it could have happened in reverse. That.

25:26

Uses that: Stretching that timeline out a

25:28

little bit more. I think that's true.

25:30

counterfactual historians who had been that give

25:33

us a slap on the rest on

25:35

this one. Think.

25:37

About the vandals took over North Africa

25:39

neighbor A little bit more serious about

25:42

their area in as I'm a fan

25:44

that the Visigoths who had settled in

25:46

Spain. And. That

25:48

the Visigoths when not armies

25:50

of Islam came through with

25:53

a lot of the at

25:55

Vandal aristocracy converted to Islam

25:57

at because of their version

25:59

of treaty. That he wasn't too far

26:01

or at least that's one theory net as

26:03

that they are version of in of area

26:05

in as unless it was at least compatible

26:07

with his alarm. So. Why

26:10

not join the winning team? basically?

26:13

If. You look at the way of

26:15

Islam spread in Spain, Spain or has

26:17

spawn at that time, it's still had

26:20

a lot of hold outs of area

26:22

isn't Even though the Visigoths had adopted

26:24

an orthodox Catholics christianity. But.

26:27

Then of a lot of

26:29

of with islam is they

26:31

would absorb the aristocratic class.

26:34

And then you bring the people

26:36

along. We talked about bad in

26:38

our previous speculations episodes where people

26:40

converting to their a religion off

26:42

and time wasn't a personal decision

26:44

at was effort potter from nearly

26:46

as made the decision to convert

26:48

than that the whole family and

26:50

family and that had a much

26:52

broader sense of slaves and lie

26:54

and send people out down the

26:56

line and. But. In

26:59

Egypt and then when you they.insists

27:01

started to get into Northern Spain

27:03

and then Southern France. Those.

27:05

Two places were much more tryna

27:08

terrier mix southern France, northern Spain

27:10

so that their conviction and held

27:12

them against the muslims. and if

27:15

you look that's kind of word

27:17

the spread of Islam stop. And.

27:20

Then pockets of the Middle East where

27:22

Christianity stuck around for much longer than

27:25

you think it which should ever stick

27:27

around as because they were much more

27:29

tryna terry an end their convictions didn't

27:32

allow them. To. Convert to

27:34

Islam. Is. So

27:36

with the Islam I think that that

27:38

could have been and out com at

27:41

least in the west of Christianity not

27:43

becoming the state religion. I think in

27:45

the east Christianity probably would have become

27:47

the state religion by default. Just.

27:50

Through inertia christianity I think what have

27:52

become the state religion in the eastern

27:54

part of the empire just because it

27:56

was so much more christina. I.

27:59

think in the way I think you could have really seen

28:01

a plurality of religion

28:03

and then maybe Islam taking

28:06

over a lot more of

28:08

Western Europe than it did.

28:11

True, but that is a fascinating speculation.

28:15

Okay, Steve, that wraps up our speculations.

28:19

Thanks for joining me. Oh,

28:21

thank you, Gary. It's been a blast to

28:24

talk about these things. It's rare you get

28:26

to just go off on a speculation. And

28:30

you don't need any academic credentials to do it.

28:33

No, we're all speculators. We all have

28:35

the ability and the right, dare say.

28:38

God given rights too. Speculates.

28:42

After nine years, that's the end of my show. We've

28:45

got a wrap-up party to go to. Our

28:48

Uber's arrived. Woo-hoo!

28:50

Let's party. the