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Sweet dreams are made

1:48

of it. Twenty

1:52

four hour Mercedes, Brady Gillum, went to Sturgis

1:54

tonight to speak with the missing woman's

1:56

mother about

1:57

what may have happened to her daughter.

2:00

I can tell you what she

2:02

most likely is. I

2:05

hadn't seen anybody that I felt comfortable

2:07

saying anything too. until

2:09

today. The stories

2:11

they tell are pretty they're pretty

2:13

freaking gruesome. I

2:16

kept all the text

2:17

messages, Facebook messages, system

2:20

messages between me and Britney. I have all

2:22

of them. I

2:24

have everything.

2:25

I told him, I said, I

2:27

killed all of them motherfuckers, and

2:29

I was gonna have my people fucking

2:31

take care of them.

2:33

I'll just say for an east name out of nowhere. Just to

2:35

see what somebody says. Is this

2:37

a little child around here and be hard to

2:39

hike, something like that? because eventually

2:41

everything comes up. To

2:45

me, some days, I don't believe anything happened

2:47

to where I think this love.

2:50

This is Hytenc, season

2:52

three. I'm your host,

2:55

James Baysinger.

3:01

Hey, guys.

3:04

In

3:04

the last episode, you followed along with

3:07

us on our GPR journey at the former

3:09

property of Don Hill.

3:11

Even though the GPR identified anomalies

3:13

in the subsurface, the Tukid Avidogs

3:15

on-site did not alert for human remains

3:18

on the soil pools that were taken from the anomalies.

3:21

Over the past two seasons, I've learned

3:23

to accept and not expect, but

3:25

this was tough news to hear. and

3:28

even tougher news to deliver to Britney's family.

3:30

It's

3:33

been a minute since Sarah and I went over the suspect

3:35

board. would take some time to do

3:37

that since there were a lot of pieces we wanted

3:40

to add from my trip. And now we have the GPR

3:42

information from Don Hills. Don

3:44

has been sitting on the sidelines on the suspect board

3:46

for a while. His role in this is still

3:48

unclear, so for now, we decided

3:50

to leave him right where he is. Don's

3:53

former property still isn't totally off the

3:55

table yet. We feel some sense

3:57

of reassurance though, that they were

3:59

able to begin the process and get some

4:01

answers. even if it wasn't what

4:03

we wanted to hear. The

4:05

suspect board is large, and

4:08

it's pretty full at this point. different

4:11

items packed all over it. Some spilling

4:13

over the edges in the organized

4:15

way, of course. Headshots,

4:18

maps, area photos, receipts,

4:20

notes, emails, drawings, you

4:22

name it. It's probably on the

4:24

board somewhere. While

4:27

Sarah and I are going over the information and

4:29

moving a few things around on the board, I get a

4:31

text message from a trusted source, close

4:33

to our investigation. Our

4:36

source sends us a series of screenshot conversation

4:38

between Ashley and a

4:40

woman named Gianna who called

4:42

herself private investigator. In

4:45

order to fully understand what you're about to

4:47

hear, let me provide you some context

4:49

and backstory. On June

4:51

first, twenty twenty one. Nine

4:53

months before the conversation you're about to

4:55

hear takes place. Ashley

4:57

gains access to Jessica's Google

4:59

account. and from there is

5:01

able to take over her Facebook account

5:03

and removes Jessica as an admin

5:05

and creator from the Facebook group

5:07

Jessica created on nine

5:09

four twenty nineteen for

5:11

Britney. Ashley

5:13

does this without permission after Jessica

5:15

asked her to fix her phone. For

5:18

clarification, The Jessica

5:20

we're talking about is Britney's mother.

5:22

This

5:24

is Ashley.

5:28

Damn right. Everything is

5:29

gonna come to life. This is Gianna.

5:34

That he is a famous for financial demon

5:36

views. set up bullshit. When

5:39

I end this career that he's worked

5:41

so hard for, I'm gonna ask

5:43

him to his face.

5:44

If it was worth it, it's

5:47

sickening. I'm not

5:48

even scared. I even

5:50

told them that.

5:51

I was hissed but not scared.

5:53

That's one thing I've never

5:55

ever been is scared of going

5:57

down for it. because to put me

5:59

away

5:59

from murdering my friend, I

6:02

would have had to have murdered my friend.

6:04

And people wonder why I don't lie.

6:07

My life literally depends on the

6:09

truth and has for the last

6:11

four years. This kind of

6:13

shit is the shit that makes me

6:14

go harder. It

6:15

makes everyone that fucked with me

6:18

eventually regret the day they ever thought it

6:20

would be a good idea to

6:21

do so. I know.

6:23

I understand, but now we

6:25

wait. Wait to see what they release,

6:27

the balls in their court. Wait

6:29

to see if they follow the letter you

6:31

gave. Or if we have to

6:33

press charges, we don't give them

6:35

any more ammo. How

6:37

do I press charges?

6:38

I've never pressed charges on anyone

6:41

for anything

6:42

before.

6:43

I'd help you, they do. Want

6:45

me to post this in the group since people think

6:48

I got rid of you and Britt's family? froth

6:50

out the last message where I say good.

6:53

I planned on it.

6:54

And then let them know you're my voice

6:56

right now. During this shift, storm

6:59

that's forced me back underground for a

7:01

bit. Okay. So

7:03

they know you're a good guy here. Jessica

7:06

Ruth is another one of my contacts that's

7:08

helped me with info, but

7:10

I'm almost afraid she might

7:12

buy into the bullshit. Not

7:14

sure which way she's gonna go with things.

7:16

This shit is making me sick with anxiety

7:18

for real. I

7:20

see airplane both sides, so keeping

7:22

her info is minimal. I'm

7:25

not sure what way she will turn either.

7:27

I think she's on your side, but I see

7:29

her jumping chip possibly. So I

7:31

only say things to her if I don't care at

7:33

others now.

7:34

Here is one of the combos that's gonna be

7:36

on the list of must reads I send

7:39

you. Enjoy some peace and time

7:41

away. Get in a good place physically,

7:43

mentally, You're gone at this for

7:45

a long four years. You

7:47

deserve the break. So please do

7:49

take time off as well. I

7:52

don't know how. I've been robbed

7:54

of everything. I have no one.

7:56

I have nowhere. I'm

7:58

stuck where I'm at and it's bullshit.

7:59

that

8:00

My boyfriend is next door with

8:02

the chick he used to fuck. I

8:04

can't go anywhere because my jeep was stolen.

8:07

I'm stuck in hell and it's

8:09

right in the heart of let's get Ashley

8:10

Country. You're like a savior

8:13

for real. That sounds familiar.

8:18

How are things going in the group? Did James

8:20

ever respond to you?

8:22

No. He didn't. Group was going good.

8:24

I did screenshot what James tried

8:26

to post.

8:28

I'm about to fall back asleep, but

8:30

remind me later to tell you what the embassy

8:32

who conducted the exam on me said

8:34

about Brit's Facebook mess and

8:36

going to a wall to read them and shit.

8:39

Okay. I'm getting the emails by

8:41

the way.

8:42

I'm trying to pick out the most important

8:45

ones for easy finding. Dude,

8:48

I

8:49

found the holy grail. The

8:53

zip drive of mine in Jessica's

8:55

convo that was password protected.

8:57

I finally

8:58

remembered the password. I

9:01

just sent it to you. If

9:04

you only ever read one

9:06

thing, make it that. You'll

9:08

see that should unfold, and if

9:10

anything, her own words

9:12

will clear me. I'm

9:13

almost tempted to create a whole brand

9:15

new Gmail, make a joint

9:17

one we both have access to,

9:20

and start transferring shit to that Google

9:22

Drive. What

9:23

should the email be? Savage

9:26

justice? That's an inside thing

9:28

you don't get. In high school,

9:30

my nickname was savage, and it was

9:32

funny because I'm anything

9:34

but a savage. I had a pair

9:36

of black pants with savage across

9:38

the ass and orange lettering from

9:40

the high school senior powder puff

9:42

game. Brit stole them from me because

9:44

they made her ass look good.

9:46

And

9:46

because between her and I,

9:49

she

9:49

was the savage, not me.

9:52

Sorry, I don't get to share the good times

9:54

with anyone very often because

9:56

it's always about her disappearance

9:58

and shit. And

9:59

then justice obviously because

10:02

fuck. What is this all for?

10:04

I need

10:05

you to try and find out the address

10:07

in whose house they had you go to,

10:10

as well as the polygraph. Put

10:12

together a timeline of what time you were

10:14

told Jess's getting hooked up when you

10:16

got to take one, when you replied,

10:19

when you got picked up and stuff like

10:21

that, that is going to be your task.

10:23

There's a reason.

10:25

I can tell you right now the

10:27

dude's name isn't gonna happen,

10:29

because his name was said at the

10:31

very same time he asked to why was apprehensive

10:34

about

10:34

coming to take the test, which

10:36

threw my mind into a whirlwind

10:39

of why

10:39

would he say that? Why

10:41

would he think that? Did someone

10:43

say something to imply that?

10:45

James was the only one that I talked

10:48

to. and I agreed immediately and was

10:50

even trying to help him figure out how to

10:52

come get me. I don't even have

10:54

an idea any clue what his

10:56

name even started with. My

10:58

boyfriend asked me what the guy looked like and I

11:00

realized I could barely recall

11:02

that. Barely taller

11:04

than me though? Big gut,

11:06

glasses, bald, Sixties

11:08

maybe? We

11:09

can find out. It will have to be outside

11:11

the box asking James

11:13

or having others. and

11:15

mean impatient and

11:18

not very accommodating. I told him

11:20

I was freezing and he said,

11:21

you're cold. Like

11:23

I was lying. I

11:25

was

11:25

trying to hold a shiver in and then remembered

11:27

there's a pad under my ass that measures

11:29

tensing and tried to

11:31

undo the tenth. It

11:32

was a mess. So

11:34

much so that as soon as James and

11:36

Ethan got back, the guy said, so let

11:38

me ask you. How do you think you did?

11:40

And

11:40

my response was, honestly,

11:43

probably not great. He cut me off

11:45

and said, That's because

11:46

you failed miserably. You

11:48

know what happened to your friend, and

11:50

you know where she is. And

11:52

that

11:52

triggered the anxiety attack in meltdown

11:55

that I tried forcing myself out

11:57

of. They also helped

11:59

me out without knowing it.

12:01

I need to tell you this while it's

12:03

fresh on my mind because I almost

12:05

forgot. some things they said

12:07

made me cock my head and

12:08

think, wait, what?

12:10

I've said that before.

12:11

A lot of shit he was saying is

12:14

things I have told people before. including

12:16

James. IDetic

12:18

memory, that's why if I'm adamant

12:20

about something I remember, you can

12:22

bet your bottom dollar and take that

12:24

bitch all the way to the bank, that

12:26

what I'm telling you is as accurate

12:28

as anything you'll ever get next to

12:30

having been there yourself.

12:32

And if I can't remember something,

12:34

I don't even attempt to.

12:37

That's

12:37

where I was taken.

12:39

My location is never

12:42

off. I made

12:42

the post as soon as he told

12:44

me she was getting hooked up. Okay.

12:47

That gives three addresses. So

12:50

what is it? What time did you

12:52

get picked up? Three

12:53

twenty PM minus thirty nine

12:56

minutes. I

12:56

love Google.

12:58

Around one thirty PM is when

13:00

she was

13:00

hooked up. Allegedly,

13:03

who picked

13:04

you up at two forty one? Ethan

13:06

did. Who is

13:07

Ethan? The

13:09

camera guy. They were allegedly in

13:11

white pigeon though at three at Don

13:13

Hill's property. Remember?

13:15

thirty four minutes from me. Was

13:17

there any camera person at the home

13:19

or with James? Where was James when

13:21

he got there? James

13:23

was inside waiting. Cameras were set

13:25

up because the exam was recorded. But

13:28

now that I think about it, they had

13:31

to have had them running the entire

13:33

time. No one

13:33

ever went over to turn it on. Yeah.

13:36

They were.

13:42

trying

13:42

to ask someone to give you Jessica's report. I

13:44

guarantee you can't. Do you

13:46

have

13:46

anyone you can deploy as a mole?

13:48

If they exist, which we know

13:50

they don't.

13:51

Kelly Walkup would probably know. Do

13:54

you

13:54

think that Jessica Chickwood or

13:57

someone similar? It's gotta be

13:59

someone on both

13:59

pages on the fence already. No.

14:02

Once you read my messages between

14:05

Jessica Ruth and I, you'll

14:07

understand how against Jessica,

14:09

she is. We need

14:11

someone that Kelly doesn't hate.

14:13

I don't see

14:14

there being any chance whatsoever of

14:17

her ever siding with

14:19

Jessica. Only worry was

14:21

that she would categorize me with

14:23

Jessica and just be against us

14:25

both.

14:25

Good luck with that one

14:27

or that doesn't hurt.

14:29

Give me some time to think on this.

14:32

It's fine if the person hates

14:34

them, they just gotta be fake.

14:37

I'm

14:37

sure I can come up with something. Getting

14:40

people to talk is something

14:41

I've always naturally been good at.

14:43

I just hate doing it because I

14:45

hate

14:45

people.

14:47

Oh, I

14:48

think I have someone.

14:50

I have

14:50

got to put this phone down,

14:52

though. So hard to do once all the

14:54

doors and the brain start opening.

14:57

Funny story crammed into a

14:59

nutshell. Do it on width, I've

15:01

known since I was eight

15:02

years old. And he also

15:04

just happens to be one of the

15:05

people Jessica actively tried to

15:08

frame for

15:08

Brit. He has been more

15:10

than cleared, two past

15:11

polygraph, one in Indiana,

15:14

one in Michigan, didn't

15:15

even know Brett. The infamous

15:18

Cadillac video, Chuck Allen.

15:21

Okay. That's my guy.

15:23

I did know that. Most

15:26

aren't aware that there's four ring videos,

15:29

not just one, or that

15:31

there's a second vehicle involved

15:32

in all that. or

15:33

that the video has been edited or

15:36

that Jessica had access to a white

15:38

Cadillac in twenty eighteen. I

15:41

just heard something really fucking

15:43

bad. They videoed

15:45

the polygraph. We know this.

15:47

I just talked to someone who's in other

15:49

group

15:49

claiming to be working with a female

15:51

detective out of Indiana. Video is

15:54

about to go viral. I don't

15:56

believe the detective part.

15:57

And out of Indiana, it's

15:59

gotta be val. We knew this was

16:02

gonna happen. That's why I want to

16:04

debunk it. with the timeline and the inconsistencies

16:06

and how unprofessional and

16:09

staged it is. I don't know when

16:11

this is supposed to happen

16:12

though. So hope before

16:14

then. We

16:15

can iron off the details and

16:17

type it up, and I'll be ready to post as

16:19

soon as they do drop it. As well

16:21

as filing charges. So

16:24

you can handle the charges pressed thing.

16:26

I'm starting to go into a

16:27

panic attack right now.

16:30

Don't It's okay. I can give you the info

16:32

on what to do for charges. Yes. When

16:34

he told you Jess was getting hooked up,

16:36

do you have a text of that or phone call?

16:39

I need you to get the polygraph or

16:41

guy's name? I need that. Even

16:43

if you have to text James, I

16:45

don't care. He told me

16:47

over the phone that she was being hooked

16:50

up as we speak. James

16:51

isn't gonna tell me shit now that I

16:53

sent the cease and desist. No

16:55

pretest interview or any Then

16:58

the guy spent about five to ten

17:00

minutes zooming through the process, asking

17:02

my medical history, had me sign a

17:04

paper and told me the questions

17:06

that were gonna be asked.

17:08

Ben

17:08

spent maybe fifteen minutes asking me

17:10

for my side of things,

17:11

which of course I couldn't give

17:14

him in fifteen minutes because I wasn't

17:15

not showing anything or leaving

17:17

out any details. He shut

17:19

me up and hooked me up when he realized I

17:21

was gonna be talking for hours

17:23

to tell my side of things. Now,

17:26

the

17:26

shit that's allegedly about to

17:28

go viral, not so sure as my Paul

17:31

graph, but I'm not positive. It's

17:33

not. This girl I talked to,

17:35

it's Chuck's sister. She

17:37

said she's seen video

17:39

of me saying it's

17:41

chalk. I told her if that's true, then it's

17:43

edited because those words

17:45

have never left my mouth. I've

17:46

never said anyone did it

17:49

because

17:49

I've not yet ever had solid enough

17:51

proof

17:51

to say for certain so and

17:53

so did it. Plus, I've been

17:55

clearing Chuck's name for the past two

17:59

years. He asked

17:59

me if I'd ever been arrested

18:02

for anything. I said,

18:04

yep, I was arrested when I was seventeen for a three

18:06

ninety nine ring I stole from the

18:08

mall. Then never did again

18:10

until December twenty third for

18:12

I still don't know what. Then

18:14

I began

18:15

to tell him about the arrest, how everything

18:17

I was about to tell him can be seen

18:19

in the one and a half hour long

18:22

cam footage of

18:22

the stop. And that in

18:24

it, me being arrested and slammed into

18:26

my vehicle by two officers

18:29

resulting in a broken rib and broken

18:31

glasses. And then the guy's driving my

18:33

vehicle being let go after

18:35

being handed back the dope filled

18:37

syringe and being told to corded

18:39

off on the

18:39

side of the road before being let go

18:41

with warnings. We'll talk about this

18:44

soon.

18:45

So

18:46

check this out.

18:48

just figured out how to get back into

18:50

Jessica's Facebook account.

18:52

What do you mean? When did you

18:54

last have access? I don't

18:56

know, I'd have to look at the

18:58

login info whenever my phone

19:00

was brick, but that is her messaging

19:03

knee. So

19:04

how did you figure out you can get back

19:07

in? She

19:07

tells me wrong

19:08

direction, dumb. them. How would she

19:11

know unless she knows?

19:13

I found the

19:13

right backup password database that

19:16

contains

19:16

the two factor codes.

19:18

Oh, So are you gonna download the data quick so

19:21

you have it? And I don't know what

19:23

her message was in reference to.

19:26

I

19:26

had have shit locked down. When I take over

19:28

an account, there's

19:29

no possible way for the owner to go through

19:31

recovery steps to get

19:32

it back. It only goes back if

19:35

I decide to allow it. I

19:37

already have that downloaded. I

19:39

got into that one on June first

19:41

at three PM and downloaded data immediately.

19:43

No. I

19:44

mean between June now, that's

19:48

nine months. and a lot

19:50

of in phone conversations, especially

19:52

with James and crew lately.

19:54

I got in on June first and I've

19:56

been logged in ever since on the dual

19:59

messenger. She

19:59

uses Facebook though.

20:01

No one's been in it unless someone managed

20:03

to figure out how to circumvent the

20:05

two factor code, which I assure

20:07

you they haven't. because no one even knows how to

20:10

attempt to log in, not

20:11

even her. No one knows I changed

20:13

the email to that account. She

20:15

is on Facebook. Is that a

20:18

different just to ensure no

20:20

recovery things could take it away. That's

20:22

the account of her I couldn't

20:24

afford to lose. Yeah. She is

20:26

on Facebook in a new

20:28

account. This account is the account she

20:30

was using in twenty eighteen and

20:32

twenty nineteen and

20:34

twenty twenty. Right up until I

20:37

took Well, too bad, you don't have the new

20:39

one. I know. I've

20:41

honestly thought about trying to take it over

20:43

because I feel like I'm

20:45

plenty capable, and I know that's where the gold

20:47

is now. I just

20:49

had an

20:50

evil, brilliant idea.

20:52

The Facebook message

20:55

is using is insert the name

20:57

Jessica Nicole. The

20:59

Facebook I took over is Jessica

21:01

a Rolf. I mean, was Jessica

21:04

Rolf? Now it's Jessica

21:05

Nicole. And wouldn't you know

21:07

it? It just happens

21:09

to have the same profile picture. So

21:12

Jessica is

21:13

gonna go ahead and message

21:16

James asking the name

21:18

of

21:18

the polygriffer. And we agreed

21:20

across our fingers that the fact that

21:22

all

21:22

their current conversations will be gone

21:25

doesn't tip him off. but rather

21:27

confuses them. The way

21:29

I'm hoping it pans out is that he

21:31

answers the questions and

21:33

gives up a name and then

21:35

says some dumb shit about,

21:37

where's our messages or something?

21:39

Because then I'll just reply, who

21:41

fucking knows? Probably Ashley hacking

21:43

shit again trying to save her ass.

21:47

Okay. It seems like a

21:49

good idea.

21:50

He hasn't read it

21:53

yet. Probably

21:56

asked her about it by now. Fuck. Okay.

21:59

Check this out. Forgot about

22:02

this.

22:02

Brit's wallet and phone found October

22:04

eleventh twenty

22:05

nineteen. No matter how

22:07

far you go back, you'll always see Jessica

22:09

tell everyone that Sheldon never gave

22:11

her anything of Britney's. She

22:14

tried telling everyone that I had British

22:16

shit. One, I have all

22:18

of her messages telling people she

22:20

did get all of British shit. Two,

22:22

the Sheriff's deputies told me the

22:24

same thing and said they didn't know

22:26

why she would say that. Three,

22:29

I have her own pictures and her own

22:31

Google account where Jessica is

22:33

wearing Britney's shirt that she has

22:35

on in her

22:36

Britney Keltner profile photo. Thick

22:40

bitch can

22:40

go on for days like I said, when

22:43

you see the shit unfold between her and I

22:45

throughout the entire conversation, you

22:47

can full ass tells

22:49

she I had nothing

22:49

to do with it and also that I'm the

22:52

only one that can and will

22:54

end this. I'm not done.

22:56

Hang on. Explain to

22:58

me how she has Brit's credit card that was

23:00

opened in twenty eighteen if Brit's

23:02

wallet was never found. And

23:04

a phone that was never found was never

23:07

missing. The

23:08

police have it. They've had it

23:10

since Jessica turned it in,

23:12

but

23:12

she turned it in after it was one

23:14

Oh, and here's a

23:16

paper in Jessica's handwriting. She

23:19

gave to me with her Facebook

23:21

login in though, and a list of

23:23

messages she wanted me to pay special

23:25

attention to. When

23:26

she asked me to go through her messages to

23:28

see if I could catch anything she may

23:30

have missed.

23:34

One

23:34

of the times I was on the phone to James,

23:36

I had the volume

23:37

up so Chuck could hear what was being said.

23:39

James had made the comment

23:41

that he can't and won't make anyone talk

23:43

to him.

23:44

If someone tells him to fuck then

23:46

he does and leaves it alone. Then

23:48

he said he had already talked to Chuck.

23:50

I interrupted him and said, you've

23:52

already

23:52

talked to Chuck.

23:54

He pausing gave me a really shaky, yeah,

23:56

I did. So I asked him

23:58

how much. He asked me what

24:00

I meant, and I said, at

24:03

length. He said no. It was just an

24:05

introduction chat and that Chuck had

24:07

agreed to do an interview with him than

24:09

ghosted. The fruit is that he

24:11

got a

24:11

hold of Chuck three separate times

24:13

and was told to

24:14

fuck off all three times.

24:16

Then, we just found out two

24:18

nights ago, James at a

24:20

hold of

24:20

Chuck's niece. He told her

24:22

that Britney's uncle Scott, the one that

24:24

was there the night she disappeared, and

24:26

his sons already described Chuck and said

24:28

it was him. Also wouldn't take

24:31

no for an answer on an interview or

24:33

answering questions

24:35

from when she too told

24:37

him to fuck off, apparently

24:39

even threatened with her

24:41

kids somehow to try and scare her

24:43

into talking. She's

24:45

still that item. James has no clue what he's

24:47

up against with this family.

24:49

And then before

24:50

I was picked

24:51

up, I think was

24:53

when Jessica was allegedly being hooked up. While I

24:55

was waiting for James to get back on

24:57

the line, Chuck and I were talking.

25:01

He asked me if I'd like it if he went

25:03

with me to talk to James.

25:05

I said, yeah. So Chuck

25:07

agreed. but

25:08

he wasn't doing it for anyone but me

25:10

to support me. So

25:12

when James got back on the line, I

25:14

told him, look, When Jessica's done with

25:16

her polygraph, come here and get

25:19

me, and Chuck and I will come talk.

25:21

He was taken aback and asked what changed

25:24

Chuck's mind. I said same

25:26

thing that changed Greg's mind, and

25:28

Scott's, and grandpa's and

25:30

grandma's, me. I've

25:32

put my name on you. Then

25:34

while I was waiting on my ride down there,

25:36

we realized it's in Indiana and it

25:38

was a no go. Chuck

25:39

can't leave the state, so

25:42

I

25:42

told James Chuck was still willing to talk to

25:44

him. It just has to be in Michigan.

25:47

Then everything happened obviously a

25:49

season obsessed, and now he's forever

25:51

lost that opportunity. Life

25:53

is being upended again,

25:55

trying to find a safe place to

25:57

go as we speak, because

25:59

Chuck can't

25:59

handle this. He already went through

26:02

being framed and

26:02

was looking at going down for killing

26:04

some girl. He can't accept or

26:07

understand that this isn't about him.

26:09

he

26:09

wants me to just drop it and doesn't

26:11

understand I can't because of what

26:14

happened. This is shit

26:15

I actually have to handle.

26:17

I'm not doing this. I

26:19

literally cannot do this. I can't. I'm

26:21

leaving tonight

26:22

whether I have somewhere to go

26:25

or not. Okay.

26:26

I understand. Jessica Roof sent

26:28

to me. Never have Ashley contact

26:31

me again. I'm not speaking to

26:33

anyone about Britney's case except

26:35

for family. told

26:36

you she wouldn't jump ship and go

26:38

to Jessica's side, but she would

26:41

jump ship and put me with

26:43

Jessica. Everyone

26:44

commenting on that post is negative. Bernie

26:47

Whitcomb,

26:47

John Simmons. Send

26:50

me some screenshots.

26:51

In this series of messages you just

26:53

listened to, you heard Ashley and

26:56

Gianna attempting to figure out who they could use to

26:58

deploy as a moat, to do their

27:00

dirty work. As

27:02

a side note, the name of the holographic

27:04

examiner was never a secret. He was

27:07

introduced to both Ashley and Jessica

27:09

on the day of their exams. anyhow,

27:12

Ashley and Gianna discussed using Britney's

27:14

lifelong friend Jessica Ruth to

27:16

get the name of the examiner. their

27:18

unsure of Jessica Ruth will actually carry

27:20

out their plan or turn on

27:22

them. While they carry on in their

27:24

conversation, Ashley discovers the password to

27:26

get into Syska's Facebook account

27:28

as she claims she thought she lost.

27:30

She does this with the intentions

27:32

of sending me a message to ask me about

27:35

the name of the polygraph examiner. I

27:37

received the message, but noticed there's

27:39

no conversation history in our messages. Jessica

27:43

and I should have a conversation history.

27:46

This coupled with the knowledge of all the accounts Ashley

27:48

had taken over in the past, didn't

27:50

settle well with me. You

27:52

know what they say? The best way

27:54

to predict the future has been looking

27:56

at the past. Our source

27:59

goes on to tell us as she took off a couple

28:01

days after the polygraph in which North

28:03

Carolina after Chuck broke things off

28:05

with her.

28:07

Now, you'll

28:08

hear Ashley and Gianna's announcements to

28:10

the Facebook group Ashley took

28:13

from

28:13

Jessica Here's

28:15

there's ashley

28:17

Ashley.

28:20

Look, I can't go into detail right

28:22

now about what's going on

28:25

for

28:25

my own safety, obviously.

28:27

All

28:27

I ask is that no matter

28:30

what you here,

28:30

you remember why you chose to trust me

28:32

in the first place. I've more

28:34

than

28:34

proven my intentions in all this,

28:36

and I've proven my willingness and

28:39

ability to get shit done.

28:41

You also know I've willingly

28:43

and intentionally placed this

28:46

target on my back to

28:48

keep it off of others because we

28:50

all know what the people involved are

28:52

capable of and the lengths they're

28:54

willing to go to to

28:55

keep the truth from coming out.

28:58

I've been preparing for this to

29:00

happen and the time has finally

29:02

come. If

29:02

you wanna help in any way,

29:05

your faith in me, and continue

29:07

defending me

29:08

while I'm gone. Remember,

29:10

my silence has always meant I'm

29:12

creating waves and getting shit done.

29:14

I'm in contact with someone who

29:17

will keep the group updated as she

29:19

can, and also let you

29:21

know, I'm okay. She'll

29:23

also relay anything I have say to

29:25

the group. I love you all for

29:27

your support so far, and further

29:30

support is crucial at

29:32

this point. If you choose

29:33

to remain silent, that's

29:35

totally fine too and completely

29:38

understandable. Just please

29:39

don't believe the things you're going

29:41

to be hearing, and please don't help them spread

29:43

the lies is all I can ask.

29:45

When it's safe to do so,

29:47

I

29:47

will explain every bit

29:49

of it. Next, you'll hear Gianna's

29:52

announcement.

29:56

Passiness

29:56

so long is instructed. Ashur

29:58

since deactivated Facebook, but we

29:59

are in contact Ashur said,

30:02

I am that person. I know you don't

30:04

know me, but I have worked on Bert's case behind

30:06

the scenes for months. I

30:08

do PI work and I don't do drama or

30:10

gossip, so you won't see me publicly

30:12

much. That's the way it should be as Britney

30:14

as who matters and whose justice will

30:16

be served for. feel free to message

30:18

me with any questions or anything to pass

30:21

along to Ash. She's

30:24

okay.

30:42

If you

30:47

recall,

30:47

Chuck and his white Cadillac

30:49

are featured in the security video

30:51

at the chicken farm. Valerie and her boyfriend,

30:54

Chuck, who you met in episode

30:56

sixteen, told me previously that their friends

30:58

of Chuck, Before

31:00

I have a chance to call Valerie, she sends

31:02

me a message and tells me she's been in

31:04

contact with Chuck, and there's been a

31:06

development. She says, She

31:08

needs to speak with me sooner rather than

31:10

later. A few moments past, Valerie,

31:12

and she kept calling me. Almost

31:14

immediately, I can tell that something is off

31:17

at Valerie. She seems anxious, almost

31:19

nervous. She tells me that

31:21

Ashley showed up at her house earlier

31:23

in the day around four to five

31:25

AM. according to her,

31:27

she and Ashley are on great terms.

31:30

Valerie seems hesitant to talk. I

31:32

hear her walking around. I hear a

31:34

door open and close. I

31:36

could hear what it sounds like Ballard's

31:38

feet crunching on the ice and snow.

31:41

She's left Ashley in the house talking

31:43

with Chad. and she's outside

31:45

now. The car door opens

31:47

and slams closed. She

31:50

says, this is the best place to talk right know,

31:52

it's private. It's the

31:54

end of February and it means it's frigid

31:57

outside. She turns the cart

31:59

on and for heat. Valerie tells me that

32:01

Ashley showed up and tried to come into her

32:03

house and wish she couldn't get

32:05

in. She texted Valerie and asked her to

32:07

come unlock her door. I

32:09

can tell Valerie is really surprised

32:11

by this early morning visitor. While she's

32:13

sitting in her car,

32:15

she realizes that the vehicle in her

32:18

driveway as North Carolina plates on

32:20

it.

32:24

What

32:26

is your name? Why do I get one of

32:28

these situations? Okay.

32:31

So hold on a second. You gotta explain to me

32:33

what's going on because Actually,

32:36

sleep. Okay. So let's

32:38

rewind. When did she arrive and

32:40

what time did she arrive? Hold

32:43

on. Okay. I

32:43

got the text message where she says, unlock your

32:45

door. She told you to unlock your

32:48

door.

32:48

Yeah.

32:51

Alright. Okay.

32:53

How do I get this? 437

32:57

AM.

33:00

or she

33:01

literally walked up to your door, tried

33:03

to unlock tried to, like, get inside

33:05

and then said sent you a

33:07

text to say get unlocked your door.

33:10

She I

33:10

messaged her

33:12

over the conversation

33:14

between Chuck and I because

33:17

Chuck sent me some things that she

33:19

said to him, that

33:21

freak check the fuck out. I

33:23

mean, freak him out that mean.

33:25

So

33:25

I must assume or what they

33:27

wrote about. Basically, she said, well, it's

33:29

all going and I'm gonna post

33:32

everything. It's from just as a cow.

33:34

My main thing is if there is

33:36

evidence being with health, in this

33:38

case, they need to come

33:41

out. Right.

33:41

What what is what is it? What's

33:44

specifically, is it after that? Something

33:46

that I think I sent it to

33:48

you that look at heroin. William,

33:50

like you're a lot. You sent me

33:53

a text message of Daniel

33:55

Kelner and it says, Tim,

33:57

on Ashley says, there is

33:59

no way in hell that

33:59

I was going to give up sabotaging

34:03

your lives, especially after what

34:05

you and her have

34:07

done. Yep. That

34:07

was due

34:10

Britney.

34:10

That was to

34:11

Britney from And

34:14

she's saying

34:14

that it was from Jess,

34:18

which I was with Daniel

34:19

now. Okay. Pause. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.

34:21

So Ashley is claiming that this

34:24

message between

34:25

Daniel Kelner and

34:28

Britney is

34:29

it the

34:31

the little the the little bubbles

34:33

are blue. So whose fuck I

34:35

mean, where is this where is this coming from? I'm

34:38

looking at the message between somebody that I

34:40

can't I can't tell

34:41

who's we can't tell who's coming

34:43

from. Yes. This is bullshit. That's what I

34:44

So this is the same bullshit that that we've planted

34:47

all these fucking seeds around. Right.

34:49

How the hell can you prove any of

34:51

that right there in front of court

34:53

if you can't? fucking do it, then don't fucking put it on my

34:55

account. You know what saying? That we're set to

34:57

Chuck -- Uh-huh. --

34:59

from the Ashley. Ashley

35:01

sent them to Chuck. Chuck sent them to

35:04

me. Why do you think she sent them to

35:06

Chuck? Chuck

35:08

snapped.

35:08

He

35:10

he he

35:11

did. He snapped. He

35:13

emits it. He will

35:16

emit it. What

35:17

does that mean? What do you need to

35:18

do? Piss off because she if she

35:21

has evidence like that, then why

35:23

the fucking this girl felt

35:25

is exact words.

35:27

I could see

35:28

my Chuck's pissed.

35:30

Why he's concerned? He thinks that

35:34

Choose only there to set him up is his so

35:36

Now what I think she was doing was she

35:38

didn't want to piss Chuck off any more

35:41

she already will be. And she went

35:43

there to try to do what

35:45

you call dam his control and

35:48

to get in his good grace and to

35:50

become his lover and to be closer to him because

35:52

she knows, when he posts

35:54

this stuff, it's not gonna

35:56

be good.

35:59

Okay. Well,

36:02

he will talk

36:03

to you.

36:05

I guarantee

36:06

he will talk to you.

36:09

Why do you tell me how why are you why

36:11

are you guaranteed? Why

36:13

are

36:14

you guaranteed? Yeah. Because straight

36:17

pony he

36:18

will. I told him, sharpie,

36:20

you need to tell your

36:24

side. He said,

36:26

is that gonna clear mine

36:27

and he? Yes. He is not out to

36:29

hook you. He is to get

36:31

where freaking zack.

36:34

That's it. But then you

36:36

have people in the mix.

36:38

I love Jessica, I

36:40

do.

36:40

But she she's done some harm too.

36:44

Listen. God

36:45

knows. Jessica is dealing with

36:47

a with a nightmare that

36:49

every parent would never wish upon the greatest

36:51

enemy. I'm still not trying to to to

36:54

make a podcast show about the heroes of

36:56

this case Like, this is

36:58

about fucking Britney. I

37:00

was hoping Chuck

37:02

after him and Ashley split

37:06

I was hoping from the moment that she went back to his trailer,

37:08

what happens when the day when it comes out

37:10

that she was pointing the finger at him? And

37:12

then then is he willing to

37:15

talk? He thinks that

37:18

she

37:19

would set him up.

37:24

When he

37:24

asked her, how can you

37:26

feel me? Fucking writing paper

37:29

test, Ashley? How? He well,

37:32

Chuck has taken two.

37:34

That one,

37:35

two. Yeah.

37:37

And has gasballed. Yes. I

37:39

understand. They're not in this long part. No.

37:42

But if she failed, like,

37:43

dramatically, like,

37:46

we're being calm.

37:47

My thing is

37:49

where is she at, and I'm

37:51

hoping that you're spill

37:54

it. I wanna know

37:56

how the fuck I got a fucking car

37:58

sitting in my driveway with North

37:59

Carolina fucking

38:02

plates Can you turn that into me? Or or just tell me the license

38:04

plate number? When you when you exit the vehicle, if

38:06

you don't if you can't see it right now.

38:09

North Carolina

38:11

Place? Yes. Okay. Yes. So okay.

38:14

So she texted you

38:16

at whatever That's

38:18

insane. I texted her. I texted her

38:20

because I wanted to know where these messages

38:22

all of a sudden are coming from. And

38:24

what did you say to her exactly?

38:27

And I mean, at first, she

38:28

got shitty way. She got shitty as fuck with

38:30

me.

38:30

Wait. attitude?

38:32

No. Yeah. Well, you what the well, she's

38:34

in your house? What do you like, I don't

38:36

understand, like, how I'm honestly, I'm

38:38

actually kinda surprised because I thought I thought

38:40

you guys were on the greatest terms that she

38:43

even showed up. that's where I'm a little confused. And

38:45

I'm

38:45

more I'll be honest. I'm worried.

38:47

I'm I'm kinda worried about

38:49

it. I'm scared.

38:50

You

38:51

got checks. I mean, I got What is what is

38:53

she capable of? And I could tell you

38:55

these text messages

38:56

that she sent Chuck and oh, that shit

38:58

is like, I I've seen this shit

39:00

over and over again. This is nothing new. I

39:02

could create

39:03

this. You know what I'm saying? It does not

39:05

take a genius for for them to figure out

39:07

that one, the profile on the little logo

39:09

on the one that she sent of

39:11

the heroin. It has no name next to it. It just has

39:13

no real reason. I did mention

39:14

that too. I did mention that.

39:18

She says I'm getting

39:18

where did the message come from from

39:20

her truck? What are you talking about? I'm getting

39:23

messages from Jessica downloaded

39:25

as we speak. It's the same stuff. It's the same

39:27

stuff you had these accounts before. You downloaded this

39:30

before. That was my point. She

39:32

had them

39:32

for how long. And

39:34

you're just now gonna say now that this is happening? That's what

39:37

I meant by withholding evidence. How

39:39

did

39:39

she get the

39:42

car? Can you

39:42

run the the license plate number? I

39:45

I

39:45

mean, IBM. There's zero justice theft before

39:47

it's a disaster one. Let's

39:50

see

39:50

if it's a round though, why don't it say

39:52

that? Well, you would see

39:53

on the car, on the stickers that

39:55

you can easily tell with a rental?

39:57

Where do I tell?

39:59

If you go up to the windows, it should I don't okay. Go right

40:02

up

40:02

to this motherfucker. You

40:03

can go It's natural. It just

40:05

it answers the plate. It's a two thousand

40:07

twenty one Kia four day. she

40:09

said that she got it from the

40:12

airport. Basically, what I'm

40:13

trying to do here is just play my urge

40:15

right because I don't know what what

40:17

her automotive is. I don't know what the plan is. I

40:19

don't know.

40:20

I've always been

40:22

in

40:22

middle band, and I always try to get

40:25

along with everybody. but some something.

40:28

Right? And I know that.

40:30

She asked me, if

40:32

you weren't understanding

40:34

me? I'm not trying to make me make me guilty like everyone else.

40:36

She asked you that after you

40:37

said you got messages from Chuck. That's the first thing

40:40

she asked you.

40:42

Yep. Yep.

40:43

Unfortunately, no polygraph examiner

40:46

that will even touch anyone

40:48

with any level of autism.

40:51

Look into that. Getting me down to North Carolina was

40:53

a set up. Whoa. When were

40:55

who the fuck is sending you up?

40:58

Down in North Carolina that you fucking chose

41:00

to go

41:02

to And you fucking said, hey, I want Carrie, whatever his name is to

41:04

drive you down there. She's so afraid

41:07

of fucking shit. she's so I'm

41:09

so fucking dumb with her fucking lies. I'm

41:12

so dumb. It's always I got more, but I

41:14

can't tell you unless I know you're really on my team. You

41:16

wanna make you're one hundred

41:16

percent with me. You're one hundred in because when this shit gets aired,

41:18

I need to know who's gonna stand with me still.

41:21

This world and this is funny guys

41:23

to resolve around you. You

41:26

still

41:27

with me? After

41:32

discussing Chuck's

41:32

story with Valerie and Chad, they

41:35

decide to contact Chuck. Valerie encourages him to speak

41:37

up and share his side of

41:40

things. If you wanna clear your name, what

41:42

better way to

41:44

do it? and for the story to be told in your own

41:46

words.

41:48

What you're about to hear is an audio

41:50

clip from camera.

41:52

It's the night of December fifteenth

41:54

twenty eighteen. Chuck's White Cadillac has

41:56

seen parked at a chicken farm next to

41:59

two large gas

41:59

tanks. We see

42:01

Chuck walk towards the camera and just had

42:03

a view. Moments later,

42:05

he enters the frame again.

42:07

With his to the camera, walk towards

42:09

his car. As he

42:10

nears the Cadillac, he reaches for the

42:12

back driver's side door handle and appears to

42:15

have something under his arm.

42:17

At this point, Someone in the back

42:19

seat appears to open the passenger side back door and quickly

42:21

close it. There's some concerning

42:23

response from the back seat, and we hear

42:25

them exchange words.

42:28

Listen for

42:30

yourself.

42:51

Chuck, man.

42:57

It's

42:58

been a minute. I've been wanting to to finally catch up

43:01

with you. With

43:03

all the

43:07

people involved in

43:10

this case, that you're there's there's a part you're taking

43:12

some someone's words such as vows and

43:14

trusting that I my intentions

43:16

are good.

43:17

but I want you to be

43:18

able to ask me any questions that you have

43:21

first. So if you

43:23

got any questions,

43:26

shoot. Okay. This

43:32

outfit

43:32

like, lessons and

43:35

shit that I've seen just

43:37

recently. This is

43:40

a message. about

43:42

Daniel trying to find out what

43:44

candy the mom was driving, I

43:48

guess. Which which candy that

43:50

who was

43:51

drinking? It it mentions

43:54

less ml. It's cat

43:56

cat catty nurse. I'm just

43:59

wondering why

43:59

they never because there was another

44:02

Cadillac involved, why do they never look

44:04

at it?

44:04

from the detective's

44:07

perspective. Right? Yeah.

44:10

I I just came into

44:12

this case back in last

44:16

here. So

44:16

to speak on less

44:19

markers

44:19

catalyze and why they didn't

44:21

impound or why didn't take it and why they

44:23

didn't look at his and only

44:25

yours,

44:25

my guess would be

44:27

is because they've always assumed it

44:29

was your Cadillac at the Chicken Farm

44:31

on the Ring Video. As

44:34

I understand it, you didn't say I've never

44:37

been at the chicken farm and that wasn't me

44:39

in the video and that wasn't my think

44:42

you've always said, yeah, that was me.

44:44

There's no reason for them to

44:46

really look at less as Cadillac.

44:49

If the scene of you in the ring video has nothing

44:51

to do with Britney's cakes. That that's

44:54

it.

44:54

Like, from an investigative standpoint,

44:56

if I'm looking at the scene and then I see

44:59

your your view and I'm questioning your vehicle and

45:02

your your whereabouts and you're saying yes, that's

45:04

me, yes, that's

45:06

my car. There's no reason for

45:08

them to continue to look at less

45:10

markers,

45:12

Cadillac.

45:15

Okay. That's my opinion.

45:16

Again, I can't speak for

45:19

Saint Joseph's County. Even right

45:21

now,

45:21

there's still so

45:24

many people wanna talk to me about the white Cadillac and the video.

45:26

And if it has

45:28

nothing to do with Bridgette's case, I don't really wanna

45:30

talk about it. Okay. Understood. Understood.

45:31

And I was just

45:33

trying wasn't I don't

45:36

know.

45:36

He's

45:37

What's up my keys

45:40

singled out? Basically, he he gave

45:42

them another right Patty to go

45:44

look at this possibility

45:46

that something may have happened

45:48

to

45:48

somebody in here, Patty. I

45:50

wanted the agreement to my interview with Chuck.

45:53

was that Valerie needed to be on

45:55

the call. He wanted a

45:58

witness. The fear of being set up is a

46:00

real thing for Chuck. because

46:02

it's

46:02

not like the Cadillac rolled up and

46:04

then we never knew who was driving

46:06

it or we never knew who was

46:08

the owner, then there would be reason to look at multiple cat backs.

46:10

But if you have the scene and you have

46:12

the situation where you see that the cat

46:16

like roll You can see it's Chuck and he goes back in and Chuck says, yeah, that was me,

46:18

that was my car. Who where? Who so what about

46:20

it? If Chuck was like, no,

46:22

that's not me and

46:24

my car. then you would have

46:26

reason to look at other cat

46:28

backs. But if Chuck is like, yeah,

46:30

that

46:30

was me. They're not singling

46:32

you out even when you provide them another

46:34

vehicle, it's what would be the reason for us to now

46:36

go look at just at at at a Okay. I understand that. And you're right.

46:38

You're right. But I've seen this message.

46:40

The reason why I just

46:43

the reason why did that I'm

46:45

thinking all this because I've seen

46:47

this message. It

46:49

says

46:49

that the deal was

46:52

saying

46:53

to somebody that that he

46:55

knows that she blackmailed less

46:58

about about that shit,

47:00

I guess. Wouldn't that

47:01

you know the reason to check it out though? Or

47:04

no? No. This is where people are

47:06

making something in in this with something when

47:08

it's nothing. The only reason why a white Cadillac has ever been up

47:10

is because of the ring video.

47:12

I've

47:12

never seen it.

47:15

He's never seen the video that says ring

47:17

on him. I just started

47:18

looking at these videos and pull

47:21

on the photos and shit. Okay. So and

47:23

hell, I'm crazy. Oh, what I'll

47:25

do is the one that he's

47:25

seeing at the police station was just

47:28

a a

47:28

short clip right truck?

47:31

Yeah.

47:34

Okay. When they crash again? Oh,

47:36

where in the range? Yeah.

47:39

Yeah. But

47:41

Yeah. A question a couple of times there.

47:43

Yeah. I'm gonna send you these three videos real

47:46

quick. k. You

47:47

have them. They're right there. It has the ring up

47:49

in the top left corner. That's a security

47:51

cam footage. The ring footage here that you

47:53

have on your phone now,

47:56

that was provided

47:58

law enforcement however they

47:59

crop that, however they whatever they put out on

48:02

YouTube or whatever they did for them

48:04

to be, like, I I don't know. That

48:06

ring footage, I I I'm not gonna really

48:08

kinda dive into whether it was

48:10

staged or not. Chuck, you're saying,

48:12

like, yeah. That was me. That was my car. What

48:14

about it? If I was taking a piss or whatever you were

48:16

doing, you were doing, This has fucking

48:18

nothing to do with Brit's case, though.

48:20

Right? Yeah. You're

48:20

talking about and I talked

48:22

to Lynch about this. Right? Right. checking

48:24

her face timing. She shakes his head, no. I'm

48:27

just curious of why my name

48:29

even came out. I never met the girl. I

48:31

didn't know him out.

48:34

How did my name come out? But where did it even come from? I think I I

48:36

don't know how these people. Do you have

48:38

any relationship

48:39

to the people on

48:41

this chicken farm? No. I

48:44

have never even been to that place.

48:45

I stopped and took a piss because I was

48:47

lost. At

48:50

this farm, whatever it is. I heard it's

48:52

a chicken farm. I wanna see where I parked where I parked it and left.

48:54

Yeah. Go ahead. Can you you can open up the

48:56

chat right now. Oh, okay.

48:59

Yeah. The phone sucks, man. You just got Okay.

49:01

Now I do this. You're gonna thank

49:04

him, James, and you want me to? You can't go

49:06

ahead. Chuck

49:06

takes a moment to watch the security footage himself, the net

49:09

at the chicken farm. Okay. You

49:11

saw it? Alright.

49:12

Yeah. All three of them. Yeah.

49:16

Yep.

49:17

Yeah. I've seen

49:20

one

49:20

with Cody one with me and

49:22

Cody because it was me go

49:24

Okay. So so let's just clear

49:25

the air.

49:28

Right? Let's just get to

49:30

it. You have you

49:32

rolling up to

49:34

this place. What I was told early on

49:37

was

49:37

that you pulled up, you're getting

49:39

gas and you're stealing gas

49:41

from this place.

49:43

Where you're coming back

49:45

into the video with and you can hear Cody is

49:47

that you got some boots

49:50

with you and you

49:52

open the door, you see the passenger side

49:54

door open, you're someone somewhat kind of

49:56

screaming, this

49:57

that in the third. What

50:01

happened? Did

50:05

you have boots

50:06

in your hand? That

50:10

what? Dude,

50:12

no. Oh,

50:13

damn boot. No. Why

50:14

did we pick this location to go to

50:16

in the first place? because I

50:18

was trying to find my way back

50:20

to founder of road

50:22

because I was trying to get back to service.

50:24

Okay. We were

50:26

driving around. I was drinking a little

50:28

bit, and I was sort

50:30

of in my car and he

50:32

was a little fucked up too. And

50:35

he started driving.

50:38

He was driven. And He

50:42

started wicking out of my my

50:44

interior on the door.

50:46

So I made him get in the I made him get in the back. I made him get in

50:48

the back. I was trying

50:50

I was trying to find my way back whenever to get

50:52

back, and I hadn't

50:54

taken a piss. So I've seen

50:56

that when I took a piss. And

50:58

then I've seen I'm seen him I seen him

51:00

being no he was

51:02

acting funny, like he was

51:04

confusing her, so I scared

51:06

him. That's all

51:08

that was.

51:08

Oh, this fucking woman? You you're from the area. Right?

51:11

Again, Sturgis. Would it be

51:13

fair to say I find it

51:15

hard to believe that you're

51:17

lost? He

51:18

don't know him. He even has to

51:20

look at directions to

51:21

my end. Is it Michigan white? He's all

51:23

those? Not even look those. I because

51:25

I didn't I

51:27

knew I was around falling river, but

51:29

that's it. You you

51:32

mentioned something earlier you said I was kinda showing the

51:34

car off. When did you

51:36

actually purchase the car? Oh,

51:38

shit. I had to come I

51:40

had to get a hold of

51:42

him and find when tired of when everything

51:44

was done, but I

51:47

wanna say

51:47

December. Of

51:50

that that of that year twenty

51:52

eighteen? Oh, eighteen. Yeah. So

51:54

Britney had already gone missing

51:57

and you purchased the

51:58

vehicle in December?

51:59

I didn't get that car until after

52:02

Thanksgiving because I had

52:04

to get rid of my truck to pay for

52:06

the car. as what is it

52:08

about Thanksgiving that you remember that

52:10

that we

52:10

went to my sisters and I remember I

52:12

was driving a truck. We had a

52:14

family Thanksgiving, and then we

52:16

had a job. Okay. That's why I remember that. Okay. Do

52:18

you remember Did I know what? No. I had the catty on Christmas.

52:21

So did you

52:23

have the catty November.

52:26

Now when

52:28

was Thanksgiving? Ross Thursday of

52:30

the month of November. So

52:33

So it was from then to

52:36

that's what I'm saying right

52:38

around December. Maybe very beginning of

52:40

December, maybe? I don't know. when you're walking

52:43

back

52:43

to the car, it looks like you're carrying

52:45

something in your right arm. I'm

52:47

just carrying

52:48

this bag.

52:50

There was a bag of papers

52:52

and stuff in it, and I grabbed

52:54

it. Was it mail and shit that you were making?

52:57

I think it was mail. Yeah.

53:00

from from that place. Rancita's

53:02

male? I just trust it. Where

53:05

did you find

53:06

it?

53:08

It was, like, right where I pissed. I just seen it, and I grabbed

53:10

it. Well, I've seen it. It

53:12

was just mail. I got rid of it.

53:14

I tossed out the window.

53:18

when you

53:18

get to the car and you open up the back door, you kinda

53:21

can hear like he's like

53:23

freaking out. What's

53:25

what you doing he doing? I

53:26

started to scare him because he well, he was tripping.

53:28

He was fucked up. I meant

53:30

to do that when I

53:31

was trying to scare What

53:33

did you say to him? Like, because I yes. I

53:35

can't hear what you say to him. No. I don't remember.

53:37

I think I just yelled

53:39

something at him. So I was trying to scare him. You

53:41

know what? We didn't shit on it. So I wanted to scare

53:44

him. Is

53:44

there a problem with that? And

53:46

I did. I thought I was

53:50

twenty. But that's

53:50

all that's all that's all that's all that's all that's already happened. The fact is I don't

53:52

know nothing about that girl. I don't know that girl.

53:54

You never so you've never

53:56

never heard of her. for now that I

53:58

don't. I'm glad I didn't. Is it from me? A lot of bullshit?

54:00

So you're

54:00

saying right now I've never met Britney in

54:02

my life. I never met her before. in

54:04

my life. I don't even know her. after

54:08

the

54:08

ring video or after this whole incident, you eventually got

54:11

picked up. That's when you had a

54:12

question to you and polygraph you?

54:17

No. They arrested me in

54:19

Senate

54:19

Bill, and they took my car. They took me in

54:21

my car jail. What was there

54:23

a arrest for?

54:24

A short

54:27

call is one, I think. They

54:29

start interviewing you or questioning you about

54:32

They took me in a room.

54:34

they showed me the video. I told me exactly what I'm telling you. I said, I was

54:37

drinking and driving. Okay? My bad. But

54:39

I own my shit. When did they get to the point

54:41

of asking you to take a Polly? I

54:44

asked him. I think I told him that night too.

54:46

I said, I'll take a photograph. I didn't remember that.

54:48

I said, you can take the car. Do what you gotta

54:50

do, but I told him I'm on my car wreck.

54:53

when I was in Lagrange, they come

54:55

in was bugging

54:57

her about it. So I said,

54:59

you know what? I'm sick of these people saying I did this, did that?

55:01

I wanna I wanna polygraph. I want a

55:04

polygraph. So I I told them to do it. I was in

55:06

jail. Well, there's the only thing I could do to help me,

55:08

you know? good enough

55:10

focus. So did the executive come down and get and

55:12

did they come down and him they administered the

55:14

test? Yeah. And then,

55:16

like, should we say here they did

55:18

it again? And they have your car at the same

55:20

time? Yeah. They had my car for, like, eight

55:22

months. The whole time I was at jail. You provided

55:24

DNA and everything?

55:26

And everything. every day Okay.

55:28

I'm gonna go. I had to do this, so I had no

55:31

problem with it.

55:32

Sarah and I

55:35

have

55:35

received as many messages

55:37

about the Cadillac as I have about my warranty. So let's

55:39

address it now that we have Chuck's side of

55:41

things and get this cleared up once

55:43

or for all.

55:46

So many of us heard

55:48

the stories floating around about this video.

55:50

The police took the

55:53

wrong Cadillac into custody. It

55:55

wasn't Chuck's car. It was less

55:57

m's car. There was a

55:59

gun shot in the

56:02

back seat. video has been altered, and there's more people in the car than

56:04

Chuck and his buddy.

56:06

People have even said, the

56:08

person in the video is

56:11

Ashley. Let me be clear here. There is

56:13

no reason to address who's cat

56:15

like it is because Chuck

56:18

to being the person in the

56:20

video. It confirms that's his

56:22

Cadillac. As for the other

56:24

Cadillac's people

56:26

talk about, We've looked at the two or three of them. They

56:28

don't match Chuck's Cadillac.

56:30

They were either a different model, two

56:32

door instead

56:34

of four, grab different rims. Additionally,

56:36

suggesting that law enforcement is

56:38

so negligent that they didn't check the

56:42

VIN number and registration records. It seems counterproductive

56:44

since the agency paid to process the

56:46

vehicle. Chuck says he

56:48

took two

56:50

polygraphs one in Michigan and one in Indiana.

56:52

He says he passed both.

56:54

I'd say it's a

56:56

bit of a risk to say

56:58

You took holographic exams, if you didn't, or

57:01

say you passed. If you

57:03

didn't, we'll be able to get

57:05

a more clear picture on topic

57:07

when we discuss the case file coming

57:10

soon. Your relationship

57:12

with Ashley, how long

57:14

have you known how long have you known Ashley?

57:16

when I started on my

57:19

Facebook, she got

57:22

hurt. Oh, I see

57:23

somebody that says she'd been

57:25

asking everybody how to told me and and

57:27

she was, you know, trying to get hold of me. And

57:29

I'm thinking, who the hell is this? I was

57:31

just thinking some trick at all, maybe. Whatever.

57:33

I just dialed a

57:35

prison. And I

57:38

got to hold her and

57:40

share her advice. She was my best friend.

57:42

And, like, she was

57:42

in love and she didn't

57:44

way real quick. So

57:47

we started turning. Did you recently

57:49

got out of jail? Yeah. When

57:51

did you get

57:53

out? It was in September.

57:55

September's fourth, I think. So September

57:57

of twenty twenty one. Yeah. But

57:59

I

57:59

didn't catch it there over

58:02

on Facebook. when I got out.

58:04

I waited for a while because the ball is

58:06

bullshit. It's

58:10

that the account Charles Allen? Hey. That

58:12

one got hacked

58:13

and sorry. I got kicked

58:15

off it.

58:16

But is that one you created

58:20

though? You created Charles Allen Allen originally. Right?

58:22

Yeah. Okay. And and I

58:24

created somebody who had had it

58:26

also been screwed

58:28

up. So So you and I chatted on that one that one night. Right?

58:30

That was me and you.

58:32

Yeah. I only had to up up

58:34

up for like two rings. And so we took

58:36

over on

58:38

When you and

58:38

I started chatting, had you actually

58:41

been talking yet? No. No. No.

58:43

No.

58:43

Not about her. that

58:45

stayed a buddy of mine, and he told me about her.

58:47

So I told him to give me her number. I wanted

58:49

to see what that was running.

58:52

That's how I got

58:52

home. That's how we talked. That's how we met.

58:55

Feed

58:55

in Orangeburg. She said she knew it was

58:57

twenty, like, twenty years ago. So I

59:00

may remember.

59:01

Hold on one second. My dogs

59:04

broke hold. I think he's freaking doggy's making

59:06

torso. Alright. So, Ashley,

59:08

Chuck, I'm not from your

59:10

guys' area. I'm from Washington State

59:13

I don't know you guys. Anybody involved in the

59:15

case? Like, I don't I don't know you

59:17

guys. I meet with Ashley. She's providing me

59:19

with all this info nation, all these

59:21

leads, and all these individuals, and gives me all these names. Your name

59:23

was continually brought up by her.

59:25

So And this

59:27

is Becky Lundin. This

59:29

is

59:29

twenty twenty one. August August the

59:32

summer of twenty twenty.

59:33

You didn't

59:34

know actually at that time? You didn't actually go

59:36

up there. She

59:37

says you guys knew each other from my

59:39

eight years old. Yeah.

59:40

That's what she told me, but I don't really

59:42

remember. Basically, we

59:43

we had a little plan that we

59:45

all have everybody hung out together. Everybody knew

59:47

each other. It's all small towns. Nobody

59:49

can freaking remember this chick. Why would

59:52

she do

59:52

that when she don't nothing I don't going in

59:54

the nose dry really. You know? I I

59:56

met her eight years old with me. And

59:59

the woman, you know

1:00:00

somebody? You see what I'm saying? I don't

1:00:02

know. You got all

1:00:04

this shit. And

1:00:06

you can say, you know, if you

1:00:08

got this shit, why are you all done to it?

1:00:11

If you're your best friend, man, you should've fucking

1:00:13

ended this long time ago. Shit like

1:00:15

that. Mhmm. You and

1:00:18

Ashley become a thing. She started changing

1:00:20

quick. So it didn't land the feelings wasn't

1:00:22

there on. What happened after

1:00:24

the

1:00:24

Charles Allen account? Because

1:00:27

We were good.

1:00:28

All of a sudden, III couldn't even contact

1:00:30

you. Your account got removed and shit. What

1:00:32

what happened there? It it got kicked me out

1:00:34

of it. Somebody was changing my password, my

1:00:37

email, on all that shit. And then Facebook said

1:00:39

they seen suspicious activity,

1:00:42

so they kicked they closed it. And

1:00:44

that was very fair to talk to you. So I don't have to

1:00:46

fuck this. Seriously. This

1:00:48

is bad night, I think. Yeah. All that

1:00:50

room. I didn't even know I have not talked to

1:00:52

Ashley at all yet. She didn't

1:00:54

talk about into my picture just recently to

1:00:56

maybe two months house. Okay. So you

1:00:58

didn't even you didn't know

1:00:59

Ashley when you were in prison. You didn't

1:01:01

find out about Ashley until

1:01:04

after you came out? I didn't know. Not about this girl.

1:01:06

Like Someone's like to be like, oh,

1:01:08

no. Chuck and Ashley were dating,

1:01:10

like, before that,

1:01:12

like like, She when she got

1:01:14

home when I got home of her, she was she

1:01:16

wanted if I kept hearing this she keeps

1:01:18

trying to find me and said, so I was wondering who the hell it

1:01:20

was. I think that she looked alright. So I

1:01:22

looked alright. So I got

1:01:24

over and and, no, all this

1:01:26

shit was gonna happen. I was trying to get away from

1:01:28

this. I was already cleared. I'm already over trying

1:01:30

to get over it. Alright. So she pops

1:01:32

up long story short, like, you

1:01:34

guys become a thing. I mean, obviously, it

1:01:36

was a surprise to everybody. who was in

1:01:39

the community of, like, trying to find Britney because we're, like, you've

1:01:41

been saying that we

1:01:42

need to look in this direction and all of a sudden

1:01:44

you're dating the guy.

1:01:47

I think the group informed me about her and

1:01:49

I didn't listen. I didn't pay attention. I

1:01:51

didn't believe it. I don't know if

1:01:52

she told you that. We came and picked her up

1:01:54

and dropped her off. Okay. I know. But I

1:01:56

talked to him down the road. But yeah. I just I

1:01:58

don't know where I'm at. You know what? I'm

1:01:59

trying to do my own thing, get on my

1:02:02

feet. I just wasn't up

1:02:02

there and how much she lies.

1:02:05

I don't Honestly

1:02:06

did. The whole time she was here? The

1:02:08

only thing she did was she was always on

1:02:10

the phone. I was working on a briefcase,

1:02:13

she said. Yeah. Let

1:02:14

me ask let me ask you about that because here

1:02:16

you are in a position where you've been

1:02:18

questioned, you've been polygraph, the DNA tested

1:02:22

you, Like, why why is she still there? I mean, in

1:02:24

my opinion, like, this girl's kinda like too

1:02:26

associated with this case that you almost got

1:02:28

kind of jammed on I

1:02:31

felt bad

1:02:31

because, you know, she just saying, is her best

1:02:33

friend and stuff. So, yeah, I felt bad for her

1:02:35

and it started to get

1:02:38

things. Yeah.

1:02:40

Did

1:02:40

she talk to you about me at any point in

1:02:43

time? Yeah.

1:02:45

After the polygraph. she said

1:02:47

something about I don't know what we're gonna do. She said something about going to talk to you. I

1:02:49

told her to go take a

1:02:52

photograph. Oh,

1:02:54

you

1:02:54

did? I

1:02:55

mentioned it. I said, that's what

1:02:57

I did.

1:03:01

So you all of

1:03:03

shit. You're like changing,

1:03:06

like

1:03:06

and down the line and

1:03:08

red all kinds of shit about five

1:03:12

minutes. the laws

1:03:13

and, like, I guess,

1:03:16

see what it was and see what it

1:03:18

is. Before

1:03:19

we went and picked her up, you were encouraging

1:03:21

her to take the polygraph?

1:03:23

I mentioned it.

1:03:24

I just said take a polygraph.

1:03:27

She started answering me

1:03:30

what what it was and

1:03:32

said. I explained it to her

1:03:34

what because

1:03:34

you've already taken two. Yeah.

1:03:38

Bingo.

1:03:38

I don't really remember remember exactly what I

1:03:40

said, but I just know I've messaged it.

1:03:42

Okay.

1:03:43

oh okay that up into the

1:03:44

point of me picking her up, what does she do

1:03:47

all day? Is she just hanging out at the camper?

1:03:49

Does she she doesn't have wheels?

1:03:52

I was on her phone. I tried to I told her she I tried to tell her a

1:03:54

good job. I mean, as I go guys,

1:03:57

I had a feeling I

1:03:59

got her she

1:03:59

was here a week, I seen

1:04:02

let's say, no forever shit.

1:04:05

Mhmm. And I felt bad for her.

1:04:07

She had nowhere to go and

1:04:09

to her best friend. She's trying to figure this out.

1:04:12

She said, oh, yeah.

1:04:14

She seemed pretty

1:04:16

confident.

1:04:16

Does she

1:04:17

pass?

1:04:19

Yeah. Let's fast forward to

1:04:22

the point

1:04:22

where I bring her back.

1:04:26

So we pull in, drop

1:04:28

her off, and we take off,

1:04:32

what

1:04:32

happens?

1:04:34

been enhancing his brain. I'm thinking what the fuck's wrong.

1:04:36

I figured I didn't know. I

1:04:38

didn't expect that, I guess. But

1:04:41

She just failed.

1:04:44

She tried so that you use your

1:04:48

own airship. Does

1:04:49

it cross your mind like, damn,

1:04:51

maybe she's involved?

1:04:52

yeah

1:04:56

Yeah. because I because

1:04:58

I'm

1:04:58

making you got all

1:05:00

this shit taking clear. You keep saying that

1:05:02

that you got all this shit

1:05:05

you're saying the polygraph was wrong shit. Why are you still

1:05:07

not fucking ending this? You know what I mean?

1:05:09

because you can do all this. I

1:05:12

point. I ask for that shit. Yeah. I said, yeah.

1:05:14

I was sitting there. You said that you got

1:05:16

she just because she

1:05:18

kept just saying that she knew no

1:05:20

this and knows that. If you do

1:05:22

the new song, but Dude,

1:05:25

that's fucking what?

1:05:26

That floors in my unit? No,

1:05:28

Ashley until you got out of prison recently?

1:05:32

No.

1:05:32

She said she pinged me a couple times,

1:05:34

but there's another guy's she

1:05:37

was with, but I don't remember I don't remember

1:05:39

her answer. No. I told her I

1:05:41

kinda remember her. I didn't wanna

1:05:42

say I knew if I knew

1:05:44

ever eight years old, you know? This

1:05:47

is actually a tough

1:05:49

question for you. I've talked

1:05:51

to the kids at grandma's

1:05:53

house. I've talked to

1:05:55

grandma, I've talked to the uncle. When they look

1:05:57

at identifying people who look like

1:05:59

the individual that was there

1:06:02

that night, They still, to

1:06:04

this day, say that you're one of

1:06:06

them. You know,

1:06:07

they're wrong. I don't know

1:06:09

what else to say. I'm I

1:06:11

already said everything I can say. No. I don't know

1:06:13

nothing. You never know

1:06:16

nothing. You never been up to the grandma's

1:06:18

house, never even driven by since then. No. I don't

1:06:20

know nothing. I don't know nothing. No. I don't know.

1:06:22

He's fucking with people. I never met him.

1:06:24

And and and I'll be fair too. I'm gonna I'm gonna

1:06:26

also add this point into it as well.

1:06:28

When I've shown them pictures

1:06:30

of individuals, There are other

1:06:32

individuals who have also been pointed out.

1:06:33

It's a similar look and it's a

1:06:36

similar

1:06:38

build. The only thing that I've ever felt like, man, that's

1:06:40

just tough. That's a sucky position for him

1:06:42

to be in, is that you are five

1:06:44

seven, you fit the build, you have the hairline,

1:06:46

like, you have

1:06:48

the look, If you could

1:06:50

use

1:06:50

this opportunity to to say something

1:06:53

just to the family as far as

1:06:55

saying like, hey, here's here's where

1:06:57

I stand about this whole situation. my message to you guys. If

1:06:59

you could deliver any kind of message to them,

1:07:01

what would you say?

1:07:06

I

1:07:08

ah really hope

1:07:13

and

1:07:15

Yeah. They find

1:07:18

everything I need to find out. III

1:07:20

really can't wait for this

1:07:22

happen. Not just for me, but for But

1:07:24

for me too, I might be sounding a little

1:07:27

just so good that I'll be over with, I

1:07:29

guess, the way I'm saying, but for

1:07:31

them, I I just for

1:07:34

her, I

1:07:34

wanted to be done.

1:07:36

I just

1:07:37

want this wrapped

1:07:39

stone be uncovered. And

1:07:42

as far as far as the cousins,

1:07:44

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. And

1:07:46

I can't have to just

1:07:48

keep looking at other people that's

1:07:50

similar in whatever ways you guys are saying about

1:07:53

me. You know, whatever

1:07:55

it takes. But

1:07:57

but you're wrong. wasting

1:08:00

your time, focusing on me. That's how I gotta say.

1:08:04

I shouldn't even have noticed I'm

1:08:05

dealing with. I'm trying to get upsurprise

1:08:08

yet. I

1:08:10

shouldn't even fuck with all this. But she

1:08:12

would put me out like that and then come over here

1:08:14

and try to fucking around

1:08:16

with me. This

1:08:18

is a waste of time that came

1:08:20

my way. And the only thing that

1:08:22

it did was make my shard. Yep.

1:08:24

That's bullshit. It didn't solve nothing. There

1:08:26

is nothing. Exactly. I really have

1:08:27

to I don't have to convince nobody, but I

1:08:29

will tell you. Yeah. This shit

1:08:31

ain't me. You didn't put

1:08:34

Britney in

1:08:35

through a dog kennel. I

1:08:37

did? No. I didn't. You

1:08:38

didn't break break ground.

1:08:39

anything to

1:08:42

her or about her.

1:08:45

Yeah. Where the fuck is it? Where the fuck? Where's it?

1:08:47

How do they know this? Oh, what? I would like to

1:08:49

see the fucking proof on this because

1:08:51

there ain't no. I

1:08:54

heard all kinds of stories two rounds in

1:08:56

jail from people I had never even

1:08:58

met him for. I got tired of

1:09:00

getting mad at my focus. because they didn't

1:09:02

know what they were talking about. When I

1:09:05

told her about VELF fucking have

1:09:07

my back on this, she said

1:09:09

she said to watch out for

1:09:11

her. She made these videos. she told me to

1:09:13

stay away from me and shit. And then after I booted her out,

1:09:15

she pops up over there.

1:09:17

What the hell

1:09:20

is that? Yeah.

1:09:20

Yeah. James, she still has that

1:09:22

car. I

1:09:23

told her as

1:09:24

obsessed as you

1:09:27

are about this. you should

1:09:28

be everything you should know should

1:09:31

should already be in

1:09:31

somebody's hand.

1:09:34

You know? should've been the first one if I can do this if if it was this

1:09:37

important to you. What what she

1:09:39

was here?

1:09:39

She said she said, well, I just

1:09:41

I just don't know what to turn in,

1:09:43

blah blah blah. Oh, shit. Oh, where's

1:09:45

your where's your going? You're full of shit. Look, Bobby. Fine

1:09:48

would somebody wanna

1:09:50

go out there and not

1:09:52

let somebody else know where where you're where

1:09:54

I'm going. Yeah. I'm going into a situation where there might be a killer there because

1:09:58

I don't know because I said to be that they killed

1:09:59

Britney, and I'm gonna go in there by

1:10:02

myself and not tell anybody. Right. Right. What's

1:10:04

up?

1:10:07

But Ashley and Chuck are together,

1:10:08

Ashley insinuates that Chuck shouldn't

1:10:10

trust Valerie and Chad. Chuck goes

1:10:12

on to tell me that the previous

1:10:14

night he received a friend request from Jessica

1:10:17

Britney's mother. Last night,

1:10:19

I asked the girl's

1:10:20

mom. I asked

1:10:23

her about it. Why

1:10:26

didn't Ashley have those SIM

1:10:28

card or whatever I've got there about? And how

1:10:30

does she get it? Why does she have

1:10:32

it? Answer that to say, you know, I

1:10:34

said we both know you're not gonna card. She

1:10:39

said, be quiet.

1:10:43

When did this conversation

1:10:44

happen with you're talking

1:10:46

about Britney's mom. Right? Yeah. Yeah.

1:10:48

That's not

1:10:49

true. Last night, you had

1:10:51

a conversation with her? Okay. because

1:10:53

I in a friendly quest and I looked at it. I didn't

1:10:55

accept it, but then I was thinking, wait a minute.

1:10:58

I'm gonna ask a

1:11:00

question. pre

1:11:01

shot me the the frame

1:11:03

request from Jess or the the profile you're talking with with Jessica? It's something

1:11:06

I

1:11:07

wanna cross reference.

1:11:10

You got it? Yeah.

1:11:13

Yeah. Yeah.

1:11:14

Yeah. One sec. Can

1:11:16

you please

1:11:17

send me a screenshot

1:11:19

of the entire conversation between you and

1:11:21

Jessica from that profile? That's

1:11:24

it. I blocked her

1:11:25

when she

1:11:26

said that. This is and the only thing I

1:11:29

the only thing I gathered out of that

1:11:31

is her and ex or

1:11:34

obviously talking again. Right? that Jessica

1:11:36

profile? Yeah.

1:11:41

That's Ashley. She's talking to

1:11:44

you from Ashley Rose?

1:11:46

Yeah. That's Ashley. It's not

1:11:48

Jeff.

1:11:48

yeah What a

1:11:51

hell? I

1:11:53

called Jessica just to

1:11:55

confirm. Again,

1:11:57

She didn't talk to

1:11:59

Chuck Ellen last

1:12:01

night? No. I didn't

1:12:03

talk to Chuck. I've

1:12:05

been

1:12:06

talking to him tonight. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he was, like,

1:12:12

Jessica, and Ashley are

1:12:14

talking. I'm like, motherfucking die. Like, I'm like, there's no way. And so he ends up sending

1:12:16

me a screenshot of

1:12:19

the conversation between him in

1:12:24

Jessica? It's it's just about my account. Yeah. So

1:12:26

-- Yeah. -- tonight, I was, like, when

1:12:28

Chuck was, like, yeah, I've been talking

1:12:30

and to Jess, I'm like No.

1:12:31

It's Ashley. She's playing she's playing

1:12:34

a

1:12:34

tough man. That's crazy. But she's

1:12:36

playing. I'm like,

1:12:39

that's what she's doing. that

1:12:40

account that messes

1:12:42

Chuck, that account messes me too. Right after the polygraph,

1:12:45

Jessica Nicole

1:12:48

messes me What

1:12:50

was

1:12:51

a polygraph guy's name again?

1:12:53

So she was trying to figure

1:12:55

out right after she filled the polygraph.

1:12:58

She

1:12:58

used Jessica's account to try to get me to feed her information

1:13:00

about who the polygraph guys was. So

1:13:02

that's when I opened up the account

1:13:04

and I was like,

1:13:06

there's no communication history which between me

1:13:08

and Jessica, this doesn't look right. I looked at the account. I ignored it because

1:13:10

I was like, okay, this is another fake account. I'm just not I didn't

1:13:12

have time for it. And so when Chuck sent

1:13:15

me the picture of

1:13:15

the profile, Got

1:13:18

goddard

1:13:20

her. When I walk

1:13:22

away from

1:13:23

the conversation with Chuck,

1:13:25

surprised I'm surprised. I'm

1:13:27

surprised on my own reaction. If Chuck is

1:13:29

being

1:13:29

honest, I have sympathy for

1:13:31

him and the situation

1:13:34

he's had to deal with.

1:13:36

It appears Chuck has done

1:13:38

everything possible to clear his name, to taking polygraph examinations, to

1:13:43

surrendering his vehicle, By encouraging Ashley to take

1:13:45

a polygraph, Chuck thought he was doing the right

1:13:48

thing. He didn't

1:13:50

think that she would

1:13:52

fail. As it

1:13:53

turns out, the person Chuck that he was building

1:13:55

a relationship with treated him

1:13:58

as

1:13:58

just

1:13:59

another resource.

1:14:12

Next time,

1:14:17

on

1:14:18

next time hide

1:14:19

and seek.

1:14:22

I

1:14:23

said Gina and just

1:14:25

posted that. I sent you

1:14:28

another I screenshotted

1:14:30

it and sent it to Gotcha.

1:14:32

Gotcha. Saying that she went to took

1:14:34

off the North Carolina. So my guess is

1:14:36

that she's turning

1:14:39

to avoid being questioned. I

1:14:42

think that's That is if the cops were even gonna do anything. I still wanted to comment, but, you know Right.