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Scott. Everyone is very

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shocked by the language that's used in... Obviously

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this was on one of the more tamer

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ones about she waffled him. A

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very sexual in nature. I

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using language like this, just...

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co-workers who are also law

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enforcement professionals and such. Is

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guess mentally

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conversation. Not that that's an excuse by any

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means, but is that why

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we're seeing things like this where we're

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kind of taken aback going, why would

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you describe something like that? Yeah.

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Gallo's humor definitely develops from people

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who are first responders, whether it's

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cops, paramedics, people that work in

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emergency departments. They say

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these kinds of things. Um, but

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I think we still need to hold them to

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a higher standard. And then there's the gender stuff

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too. It was really, really misogynistic

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and terrible. And, and so that gives

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the sense that it's kind of this

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good old boys environment, which again, we

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need to bust that that, that shouldn't

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be tolerated. Without a

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doubt. I mean, it's gone to, to such an

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extreme, uh, in this case, how do you think

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it affects, um, the

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jury after they, they've heard some of this.

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I mean, not only he waffled them or

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she waffled him, but, but more things like

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this. Let's take a listen and we'll talk

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on the other side. And

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from all accounts, he didn't do a

3:25

thing wrong. That was your decision 16

3:28

hours into the investigation, correct? Yes. And

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the other decision that you made and

3:33

the other determination you came to was

3:36

my client Karen Reed was a

3:38

whack job comment, right?

3:41

Yes. Okay. What

3:49

else did you say in response to

3:51

she's hot at least? Are

3:54

she hot at least? Question mark. So

3:57

following that text, I responded. Yep,

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she's a babe. Weird Fall River

4:03

accent though. No ass.

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Yeah, she's a babe. Who's the she? I

4:11

misread. Weird Fall

4:13

River accent though. You

4:15

talking about the way she talks? The

4:18

accent. And

4:21

no ass. Now you're talking

4:24

about her body. Correct? Yes.

4:27

You think that's appropriate? Absolutely not.

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Then Bird chimes in with

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a little comedy. Ah. Not newsworthy

4:37

then. Correct? Correct.

4:39

In other words, well, she

4:42

didn't have an ass. Nothing

4:44

to see here, correct? Objection. Assisting.

4:50

And then 5051 says, oh,

4:53

she's skating. Right? Correct.

4:59

And what did you write after that? My

5:02

response was zero chance she's skated.

5:06

And then what did you write? She's fucked. Zero

5:10

chance she skates. She's

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fucked. Right? Correct.

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You decided on the 29th of January,

5:20

17 hours into this investigation, you

5:23

decided individually to propropter. You're

5:26

not only going to put it on the girl, you

5:28

decided you're going to make sure this is cut and

5:30

dry. And the way you're going to do it is

5:32

to make sure that she's fucked. That's

5:34

what you were saying. Objection. All

5:37

right. So that's sustained. You can the contents fine.

5:39

You have to ask it differently. 17

5:44

hours into this investigation, trooper proctor,

5:46

you made the decision that you

5:48

were going to put it on

5:50

Miss Reed, didn't you? Put

5:52

the case on Miss Reed. She was going to catch the case. Correct?

5:56

No, absolutely not. He

6:00

directly contradicts himself right there. He's saying, you

6:02

know, she's fucked and then all of a

6:05

sudden it's oh, absolutely not No,

6:07

I mean he he had his predetermined outcome

6:09

But did he need to did he need

6:11

to add all these extra layers and tip

6:13

the weights in one direction? When

6:16

there already was sufficient evidence to show

6:19

that she likely hit him. Yeah.

6:21

Yeah. Yeah It

6:23

says so much about his personality doesn't

6:26

it? Yeah, this is not not

6:28

a guy that should be doing this work No, how

6:30

do you think that played to the jury with all

6:32

that? Is this something that's going to end up? Playing

6:36

strong enough to get Karen Reid Completely

6:39

not guilty on this or are we

6:41

thinking this is that there's

6:43

still enough that shows vehicular manslaughter

6:47

But not necessarily and I've said the whole time.

6:49

I don't believe it's in murder by any means.

6:51

Yeah, just a horrible accident Yeah,

6:54

yeah if all I can say is if I were on

6:56

the jury I couldn't

6:58

vote for murder on this and and

7:01

this just adds fuel to that It's

7:04

gonna be fascinating to watch I

7:07

know there's there's far more to come in this

7:09

next week and we'll be looking at that shortly

7:12

With some more expert witnesses talking about

7:15

the vehicle itself acceleration

7:17

some of their experts Yeah,

7:20

I I'm curious to see just how strong

7:22

of a case the state actually has and

7:25

I'm also curious Why they brought it with

7:27

murder to this because it still doesn't make

7:29

sense. Yeah, I've wondered that

7:31

from the beginning It doesn't make sense

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