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what's going on. Yeah possums. thank you

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so much for listening. You know I

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get a lot of from a lot

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of you saying hey, I don't even

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pay that much attention to the Nfl

0:35

this time of year but I still

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listen to your very stupid show cause

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you know what, it's funny and it

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kind of keeps me in touch and

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that is very lovely to hear from

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you. And in fact, we're going

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to do kind of an abbreviated a

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listener snark back here. Off the top

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and just a moment because something that

0:54

I talked about last week got a

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bit of a reaction. Just

0:58

to situate where we are in the

1:01

off season, this show today is mostly

1:03

going to turn out to be and

1:05

other Nfl draft preview kind of show

1:07

where for the third week running we

1:10

are familiarizing ourselves with the skill position

1:12

players who will get drafted next week.

1:14

If you haven't caught up with the

1:16

two previous weeks of the show, that's

1:19

okay because they're. Evergreen.

1:21

Pretty evergreen. They contain smart

1:23

people's opinions about the skill

1:25

prospects before we get blinded

1:27

by landing spot. So if

1:29

you're so inclined, please do

1:31

go back and listen if

1:33

you have done so already,

1:35

then next week. Which. Is

1:37

finally the week of the Nfl draft.

1:39

We're going to have any barons on

1:41

the show to redraft the skill guys

1:43

from last year's Nfl draft which we

1:45

did for the first time last year

1:47

and a lot of seem to look

1:50

like it pretty well. So good. Do

1:52

it again. And then once the new

1:54

Nfl players finally have homes, all start

1:56

posting my initial redraft ranks for Twenty

1:58

Twenty Four at Harris Football. Com

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and cousin Josh will have a join

2:02

in back to back weeks. You get

2:04

into straight weeks of the Prince of

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Darkness to tear apart apart my ranks

2:09

and us. Talk about. Why

2:12

I'm wrong I guess probably usually that's

2:14

what he does. Ah, so that's what's

2:16

happened so far in what will happen

2:18

on the show planned. You're listening accordingly

2:21

to Biggest news of the past week

2:23

in the Nfl is probably not Royce

2:25

Freeman signing with the Cowboys. Though.

2:27

I do. Clearly. Still do

2:29

remember people telling me how terrific

2:31

Royce Freeman looked in his rookie

2:33

year twenty eighteen. Probably.

2:36

Because his yards per carry were

2:38

good, them all that matters is

2:40

depth chart. All those reasons that

2:42

it's usually gets about Freeman has

2:44

since obviously revealed himself to be

2:46

a backup caliber player and so.

2:49

I wouldn't. Expect signing him

2:51

to stop Dallas from drafting

2:53

a running back relatively highly

2:55

next week. Know the bigger

2:57

news was that star crossed

2:59

Jk Dobbins late of the

3:01

reasons as journeyed here to

3:03

the west and side with

3:05

the L A Chargers. And

3:08

that could eventually turn out to

3:10

be legit news. That changes how

3:12

we view the Charger backfield for

3:14

good. They still, of course could

3:16

draft a running back at some

3:19

point next week. They could also

3:21

not do that and go with

3:23

what they've got. They've currently got

3:25

the old Ravens teammates Dobbins and

3:27

Gus Edwards, as well as Isaiah

3:29

Spiller. Who's. Now two years

3:31

into his career and had so

3:33

many chances to make a splash.

3:36

On. A. on the

3:38

charger team last year make an impression

3:41

on the church church or coaching staff

3:43

which is now gone and he never

3:45

did had only thirty seven carries in

3:47

last year's disaster or offensively so i'm

3:49

assuming that spiller probably can't play but

3:52

it's new coaches so we'll see just

3:54

kelly no longer on the charger roster

3:56

but his unsigned to this point who

3:58

knows maybe he comes back but

4:01

the real question will of course come down

4:03

to Dobbins had a very good

4:05

rookie year tore his ACL

4:08

2021 training camp missed that

4:10

entire season tried to

4:12

come back healthy for 2022 but it

4:15

turned out it wasn't right needed his

4:17

knee scoped after just two weeks then

4:19

last year you know

4:21

for an eye blink he looked awesome in week

4:24

one but then immediately

4:26

tore an Achilles he got

4:28

a one-year deal from the Chargers pretty obvious

4:30

they did not break the bank for him

4:32

and in fact he's probably not guaranteed

4:35

much of anything Achilles injuries

4:37

for running backs you know there was a moment there where

4:39

we would talk about it on the show like

4:42

wow Cam Akers came back and looked

4:44

okay for that playoff run and James

4:46

Robinson wow he looks okay but

4:50

can't we kind of look back now and say doesn't

4:53

seem like it was some great new treatment

4:56

Akers actually you know didn't look amazing

4:58

for the Rams and then the Vikings

5:00

and then subsequently toward the other

5:02

Achilles which I don't think that's about the

5:04

first Achilles he just has kind of vulnerable

5:06

Achilles I guess and then James

5:08

Robinson is just hanging on the league

5:10

I think he's with the Saints but isn't

5:12

the same and yeah Deontay Foreman

5:14

had one Deontay Foreman would not be the

5:17

result that I'm hoping for if I'm looking

5:19

at JK Dobbins all of which is a

5:21

way of saying like I don't know your

5:24

guess is as good as mine it's gonna

5:26

be as good as anybody else's Gus

5:29

Edwards if it's gonna be

5:31

those two dudes then Edwards will probably keep

5:33

being the nuisance that he's been for years

5:35

and the Chargers also

5:37

really might think about adding another running

5:40

back but they also may

5:42

know that Dobbins is on

5:44

a great path and looks good and maybe they

5:46

expect him to be completely fine and himself by

5:48

September and maybe maybe he'll be the same guy

5:50

we've been intrigued by for years but I'm not

5:52

gonna rank him like that to start we're gonna

5:54

have to get a bunch of good reports and

5:57

even then we're probably gonna have to see with

5:59

our own eyes I can't imagine that

6:01

JK Dobbins is going to be drafted in the

6:03

first few rounds this year almost no matter what

6:06

gets said. Time for your

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snarky email. Email

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heyharrisyoursnarky Let's

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do several emails that came in over the past week

7:02

about my little talk off the top of last week's

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show because it's obvious that some of you share some

7:06

of my frustrations. Devin

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Porter from the Year of the

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Depends Adult Undergarment. Hey Harris,

7:27

I laughed right out loud during your

7:29

NFL Media verbal tics opening segment on

7:31

the April 11th show. Your loathing of

7:33

someone saying right after every sentence reminded

7:35

me of a game a fellow co-worker

7:38

and I used to play during our company

7:40

all hands meeting. Our leader

7:42

had this same verbal tic and we would

7:44

set an over under bet beforehand on how

7:46

many rights that we would get over the

7:48

course of the speech. It made the annoyance

7:51

so much more palatable as we diligently made

7:53

a tic every time he said it and

7:55

it looked like we were taking notes. Paul

7:59

Benamou. Sorry if I'm messing

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up the last name, Paul, there, from Parts Unknown. Hey,

8:03

Harris, the right thing from

8:06

this week's show, oh, it's spot on.

8:08

I'll go one further and tell you

8:10

that in the business world, it is

8:12

rampant, every damn sentence. I

8:14

was at a conference listening to a

8:16

speaker last fall in the one hour.

8:19

He literally, literally said it over a

8:21

hundred times, and that's when I stopped

8:23

counting. It's the worst. Glad to hear

8:25

someone else rant about it. Thanks for

8:27

the always awesome show. Troy

8:30

Jacobs from Baton Rouge. Hey,

8:32

Harris, the CEO of my company does the

8:35

right thing every sentence when

8:37

he addresses the troops. You can't

8:39

unhear it. Soon you don't

8:41

hear anything else. It's just blah, blah, blah, blah,

8:43

blah, right? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? Tony

8:46

Washington, Los Angeles. Hey, Harris, guy I

8:49

used to work for did it constantly.

8:51

Yeah, man, you keep saying

8:53

right. Like you're asking me if I agree

8:55

with you, but you're not even taking a

8:57

breath to let me tell you whether I

8:59

agree with you. What is the

9:01

point of even asking, maybe just get to the

9:04

point and let me go eat my yogurt. And

9:08

listen, I do it

9:10

on this very show every so often. Of course,

9:12

everyone does a little bit. You see, you know,

9:14

you talk long enough, you do

9:16

it. But like Chris

9:19

Sims, all these other people, you're

9:23

doing it like three times in a run-on

9:25

sentence. It's killing me. And

9:28

then I just got a few more about some other verbal

9:30

tics. J.C. Doty from Parts Unknown.

9:32

Hey, Harris, the only reason I hate podcasts

9:34

is hearing people constantly saying, I personally

9:37

and for me, often in

9:39

the same sentence, first of all, you

9:42

don't have to cite yourself. Second,

9:44

you're talking. I

9:46

know who you're talking. I and personally and for

9:48

me, yeah, understood. And I might

9:50

add totally redundant, at least only just

9:52

say one of them. J.C. says,

9:55

I will die on these hills. And

9:57

Adam Reichle from Oak Creek,

10:00

I think. California the email

10:02

is titled right and then

10:04

Adam also adds if

10:06

another person says that a running back

10:08

is catching passes quote out of the

10:10

backfield end quote I will lose

10:12

my and that's a

10:14

good one Adam and now that I think

10:17

of it oh god we're about to talk running backs

10:19

and I already recorded that part of the show and

10:21

I can't remember if I said it a hundred times

10:24

oh today's

10:26

kickback okay on today's show it is

10:29

the third in our three-part series introducing

10:31

ourselves to the NFL draft

10:33

prospects who will have new homes as

10:36

of next week's draft you heard us

10:38

talk about the wide receivers two weeks

10:40

ago and the quarterbacks last week and

10:43

now it's time for the running backs

10:45

and a little dollop of

10:48

tight ends you know it may not

10:50

immediately obviously be an elite class of

10:52

running backs but it is the most

10:55

important position in fantasy so

10:57

you know that they're going to wind

10:59

up being some names we discussed today

11:01

who matter very much next year and

11:03

they can educate me about this class

11:05

of running backs and about one particular

11:07

tight end will ask about that guy

11:09

too it is our

11:11

old buddy Paul Purdikisi of

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11:17

learn the names of some guys who

11:19

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11:21

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11:23

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13:13

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for sale at saturdaytosundayfootball.com. Hello, Paul, how are

13:32

you? Christopher,

13:35

thank you for having me. I always, always look

13:37

forward to joining you before the draft to talk

13:39

some prospects. Did you call me

13:41

Christopher? That was like, wow, that was very formal. So

13:47

the task fell to you this year. I

13:51

think I usually rotate with you, right? Did you do

13:53

receivers last year on the show? I believe

13:55

so. I feel like I haven't done running back. So

13:57

I feel like this has come full circle. Wow. Well

14:00

good I mean unfortunately it failed to you in

14:02

a year where there's probably not like a extremely

14:04

amazing running back But there's a lot of good

14:06

ones and frankly for fantasy

14:08

purposes. We obviously care very much

14:10

it's still the most important position

14:12

and then I Think

14:15

there's a little bit of a movement to the

14:18

NFL realizing Maybe we undervalued running backs a little

14:20

too much not to say these guys are all

14:22

going to be superstars But you saw a whole

14:24

bunch of NFL running back

14:26

free agents spend for actual real dollars

14:29

Maybe the pendulum had swung the other way too much

14:33

Yeah, I think I think what we see now

14:35

is people you know even Philadelphia making a

14:37

bold move in getting take one Barkley What

14:40

San Francisco is done with Christian McCaffrey? I feel

14:42

like we've seen as Defenses

14:44

have been gearing up to stop the pest so

14:46

much I feel like the run game is going

14:48

to become a little bit more important and teams

14:50

are Willing to invest to some

14:52

level in terms of salary cap dollars, but I

14:54

do think they see the value You

14:57

know more specialized roles than ever we don't you know

14:59

the days of those 22 20 Bregaria

15:01

game those days are probably long gone for

15:04

the most part but I do

15:06

think there's a lot of value in having

15:08

a running back to add versatility and Some

15:10

dynamic explosiveness to a run game and an

15:12

offense as a whole sure Yeah And

15:14

there's lots and lots of ways to skin the cat and everybody

15:17

who talks about the death of the running back Always

15:19

wants to paint it one way. Oh, yes to

15:21

be able to catch passes. Okay I mean that

15:23

would be great too But you can easily build

15:25

a running game where you have

15:27

one go catch passes one guy doesn't and

15:30

we see it all the time And we're

15:32

gonna talk about some of the of the

15:34

primary running back names There's just way too

15:37

many potential running back guarantee We're gonna talk

15:39

you know whatever a dozen running backs here

15:41

at length And there's way too many

15:43

guys to talk about like somebody not in this dozen is

15:46

Clearly going to wind up being a really good

15:48

NFL player, and we'll be like oh We

15:51

missed on him because that's just the way it is I noticed

15:54

that you just had Matt Waldman who was

15:56

on my show two weeks ago. You had

15:58

him on your show and and I

16:01

use both your scouting notebooks

16:03

and his rookie draft portfolio

16:05

as counter points,

16:07

points, you know, like you guys like similar

16:09

players sometimes and sometimes you don't and all,

16:12

I think you guys are clearly doing the

16:14

work and so this kinda

16:16

comes down to, you

16:19

can tell me how inexact this

16:21

science is. Yeah, I

16:23

mean I think the running back position and all

16:25

the positions in general really come down to what

16:28

you value. Somebody might

16:30

value overall athleticism. Somebody might

16:32

value vision and patience. Somebody

16:34

might value breaking tackles

16:36

and contact balance or they want,

16:39

like you said, that three down profile

16:41

where they can catch passes and not,

16:43

if a guy is more of an

16:45

interior runner, not on the field much

16:47

on third downs, maybe they dock them

16:49

a little bit in their scales in

16:51

terms of grading these prospects. From

16:54

my perspective, I look at it as, I'm

16:57

looking for a guy who I think can make an

16:59

impact and whether it's more exclusively in the run game,

17:02

great. If it's more exclusively in the past game, that's

17:04

fine too. Like I don't knock a guy,

17:07

if I know his best usage might come

17:09

from the passing game and then make rushes

17:11

in there. In the dream

17:13

world, we love the guy that does it all but I

17:15

think we know the times have changed a little bit. So

17:18

a guy I know I'm really higher on might

17:20

be more of a guy that impacts the game

17:22

in terms of his receiving capability. No, I think

17:24

that's not actually, I don't know if it's true.

17:27

I think sometimes you just like players somebody else

17:29

doesn't like. I mean, like Matt would say the

17:31

same thing. Matt Waldman would give the same answer

17:33

but I look at your respective ranks of this

17:35

running back class and there are a lot of similarities,

17:37

especially at the top. But as you go through, it's

17:40

not just pick your poison eye, just happen to like

17:42

receiving backs more. The

17:44

fact is it's just, we have a really

17:46

hard time telling. These guys are running against

17:49

non NFL defenses and sometimes you

17:51

think you see something and Matt doesn't and

17:53

vice versa and then there's a thousand other

17:55

people who are not as good as you guys

17:57

obviously, Who are doing, see different.

18:00

And the fact is all we can do was

18:02

like dude cave shadows on the wall like all

18:04

we can do is kind of dance around it

18:06

and guess a little bit. Yeah.

18:09

For sure and I think that's that the hardest

18:11

part of project in with their as to do

18:13

with the card game sometimes doesn't always translate

18:15

to whether you'll be absolute the Nfl game. And

18:17

I just said the level of supporting cast sometimes

18:20

at the college game you know my be far

18:22

superior to what they step foot into in terms

18:24

of the Nfl terms of dominant or wind and

18:26

stuff like that that that could impact things and

18:29

variety was. Rent so. Let's

18:31

just start talking my kids. The

18:34

dude who I see listed usually

18:36

and most mock drafts as the

18:39

Rb one is Jonathan Brooks. The.

18:42

Welcome the guy from Texas. Ah, but

18:44

he's coming off an A C L

18:46

tear. And that happened in

18:48

November and so he's very much going to be

18:50

in a race against the clock to be anything

18:52

like himself or his rookie season and you actually

18:54

don't have him as your as your Rb one

18:57

and will talk about why. But I'll I'm to

18:59

talk about him first here because it strikes me

19:01

from. I've. Actually seen him play a

19:03

little bit because he played a Texas that I

19:05

went to grad school at Texas and so I'm

19:07

I have some. Affinity for the

19:09

guys game and and I do have

19:11

a sense in general that. Until the

19:14

knee injury it was kind of felt like wow, this is

19:16

that. Does the only guy in his class

19:18

who has a chance to be a three down back

19:20

who has a chance to be. Like.

19:22

The one that were chasing that only there are

19:24

seven or eight of in the in the Nfl

19:26

any one time. And

19:28

the and knee injury clearly

19:31

throws that into confusion. I'm.

19:34

Waldman. Says that he would have

19:36

been his rb to and last

19:38

year's class freeney injury. Pretty.

19:40

Injury? Ah, by much are you feel the

19:42

same way though because I read what you

19:44

wrote and maybe you don't think that he runs

19:47

with quite as much power. As you

19:49

think he should given his frame. Yeah.

19:51

I think that's you know for certain

19:53

some areas of development are concerned. Idol

19:55

did you always played up to that

19:57

weight of to sixteen I think the

19:59

someplace. The physicality you know areas where I

20:01

like to see unplayable a bit more up

20:03

to that size. I mean I even into

20:05

some inconsistent vision and patients. I mean he

20:07

also his brother with begging for college running

20:09

back either would have been on the inexperience

20:12

I did. he was by me I be

20:14

John Robinson right motor. These really talented running

20:16

backs get to every year. They usually come

20:18

right out and you know and jump into

20:20

the mix writing cause right away he was

20:22

one a rare cases that obviously understandably so

20:24

he had a way to turn a little

20:26

bit there. So I do think division and

20:28

patience is something that you know probably naturally.

20:30

Will get better with more experience but I do

20:32

think the place strength and power and physicality. I

20:34

think for guide to six team or with

20:36

his i'm a small guys come in I think

20:39

that would be inconsistent he doesn't always play

20:41

up to that it is a much bigger guy

20:43

later will get into about that as well

20:45

but is a lot the like about on them

20:47

Brooks's game I do think he be a

20:49

guy that is a is a solid Nfl round

20:52

to type prospect. I like the Atlanticism. very

20:54

fluid in his movements skills. I think he's got

20:56

good speed on think it's like Yelp devon

20:58

a chain speed but still got good speed. On

21:00

the. The. Burst acceleration

21:02

it's they are the agility to make

21:05

people mess which is pretty impressive for

21:07

guided size. You know he's got receiving

21:09

skills as he runs with ya the

21:12

is that these and toughness I something

21:14

he. Absorbs the contact as

21:16

well as I would like for guy two

21:18

hundred and sixteen pounds spread diseases. Started running

21:20

back. Like you said would have read down

21:22

skillset the guy the he reminded me of

21:25

i seen some different comes out there I

21:27

think some be both a little bit lazy

21:29

with did I did Jamaal Charles the college

21:31

thing I actually see like if he hits

21:33

his ceiling see Hudson Matt Forte to his

21:35

games. I think that decides frame is pretty

21:37

comparable. Adding debris down skill set is pretty

21:40

comparable. Ah I think for the had may

21:42

be loaded Better vision you know early on

21:44

but at the morgue Nfl. Level Now when he

21:46

was come in out and adding that kind of guy

21:48

that if he he reaches his upside he did he

21:51

can be like a Matt Forte type player at the

21:53

and at the next level. With.

21:56

that include receiving adequate at this point when everybody

21:58

thinks six of method I tell you, they think

22:00

it was a great receiving back in the one

22:02

year when before Brooks got hurt

22:04

they weren't thrown to him that much, right? Yeah,

22:06

I don't think he's going to be at the level

22:08

of Matt Forte in terms of a guy who can

22:11

catch 70-80 passes, but I do think he's, you know,

22:13

like we had a lot of concerns coming out about

22:15

like Kenneth Walker, like, you know, I think he's a

22:17

better receiving prospect than that and Walker's turned out to

22:19

be okay, which is fine. I don't think he's going

22:21

to be a guy that's, you know, like Christian McCaffrey

22:23

in the run game, I mean the pass game, but

22:26

I do think he's a guy that is not going

22:28

to be a guy who a team

22:30

is looking to replace with a different specialized

22:32

player on third down. So I think Brooks

22:34

is a guy who could handle 45 catches,

22:37

let's say, in a year and if you had that

22:39

on top of being the lead ball carrier, you're talking

22:41

about a guy that could have a lot of value,

22:43

you know, in terms of fantasy, but it's overall value

22:45

to the team that drafts them. Right.

22:48

Yeah, I mean, that's a great way to frame it. I love the

22:51

way you frame that. Basically, you won't feel

22:53

absolutely obliged to treat him in one way,

22:55

which is good. That's definitely

22:57

what we want. So Trey Benson

22:59

from Florida State and previously

23:02

Oregon is your RB one and you're

23:04

going to tell

23:07

me and I didn't watch any Florida State and I don't watch any

23:09

of these guys. I'm lucky to have seen

23:11

a little bit of Jonathan Brooks. Believe me, if

23:13

I'm ever taking you or the audience to task

23:15

for any college football opinions, you're allowed to punch

23:17

me in the nose because I don't know nothing.

23:21

So I didn't, I don't know Trey Benson from

23:23

a hole in the wall. He's the same size

23:25

as Jonathan Brooks, but I certainly understand

23:27

what you mean when you say he doesn't

23:30

run very similar to him, that he does

23:32

manifest power, right? He does

23:36

work his way into more

23:38

strength plus he does it really fast, like a

23:40

4-4 sub 4-4 at

23:42

216 pounds is pretty good. The

23:47

way I wanted to frame this to you, the

23:49

Benson-Brooks debate is that without

23:52

the torn ACL, do we

23:54

think that Brooks might have had a chance to be a first-round

23:56

pick? I think he

23:58

still would have been a top- in a second round

24:00

guys. So I think he might lose a half a

24:02

round. I think he probably would have been like where

24:05

Bruce Hall and Ken D'Wauker were, top 10 picks maybe

24:07

in round two. And I still think

24:09

he's probably going to go late round two. So

24:11

I think maybe the torn ACL and the concerns

24:13

about that and what you get from

24:15

him this year may end up knocking him like a

24:17

half a round or a little bit more than that.

24:19

But I don't think he would have been round one.

24:22

Let me answer the rest of my question because we're talking

24:24

about Benson. Because Benson tore up

24:26

his knee a lot worse, right? I mean

24:28

I'm asking if that's not like a metaphorical

24:30

right. I'm actually asking you. I think that's

24:33

true. At Oregon, didn't he tear everything? Yeah.

24:36

So that was, I think at this point now that

24:38

was like three years ago. So I think there's a

24:40

little bit less concern just because it's further removed. And

24:42

we've seen guys come back and even if they come

24:44

back a little slow sometimes it's within a year, a

24:46

year and a half, two years,

24:48

they're back. So he played at Florida State

24:51

for the last two years. And you did

24:53

bring it up before. He plays up to

24:55

that size. To me, he's always breaking tackles,

24:57

the contact balance. He plays up to that.

24:59

I like the play strength, the power, the

25:02

physicality, the toughness. But he has for a

25:04

bigger guy, very good footwork, make people

25:06

miss in short spaces. I didn't

25:09

expect that level of athlete. I thought he was

25:11

a good athlete for his size at six feet,

25:13

two, 16. I wasn't expecting him to run that

25:15

fast. I thought he was going to end up

25:18

maybe like a four or five guy, four or

25:20

five, two. So I think that it's nice to

25:22

see that he has some of that breakaway speed.

25:24

Maybe we didn't get to see as much of

25:27

it at Florida State for a variety of reasons,

25:29

but it's at least in his repertoire. But

25:31

even before that, he's been my number one

25:34

running back since last summer. So Benson's been

25:36

my guy for a while. Nothing that happened

25:38

this year really deter that. I just think

25:40

the combination of playing up to that size

25:42

has the athleticism to make people miss. And

25:44

he actually showed this year that he can

25:46

be a pretty functional, path-catching running

25:49

back as well. I don't think it's going to be his

25:51

bread and butter, but another guy that only needs to come

25:53

off the field in that situation. So

25:56

even pre-book, pre-Brooks ACL pair, you

25:58

were Benson over Brod. which is unique

26:01

I think and I'm glad to hear

26:03

it. When I hear people say okay

26:05

so he's like a pretty good sized

26:07

player and he's straight line fast and

26:10

he rants him outside zone I think Raheem

26:13

Mostert I go oh cool Raheem Mostert and

26:15

then I go then I

26:17

remember I don't think Raheem Mostert is

26:19

all that good like he's okay he has

26:21

sort of a career of everybody calling him

26:23

a track star and him having

26:25

burst plays and then not

26:28

really being able to follow up and last

26:30

year found himself in the dream scenario but

26:34

is Trey Benson calling Raheem

26:36

Mostert to mind wrong? I think

26:39

he's upsized a little bit better you know I don't

26:41

I don't look at most I never looked at Mostert

26:43

as a guy who I think should be a lead

26:46

ball carrier I think Trey Benson will lead a backfield

26:48

whether that's 60% of the touch is 65 I think

26:50

he is a guy that could be a lead guy

26:52

I think Dan Ifrell is gonna think pretty highly of

26:54

him where they take him whether it's mid-round two late

26:57

round two early round three I think he didn't get

26:59

an opportunity to be the guy I think he's got

27:01

more upside than that to be a more complete player

27:03

where Mostert was kind of like he was a little

27:05

bit of a one-trick pony he was good at that

27:08

one trick I think Benson's a little bit

27:10

more of a well-rounded complete player that

27:12

can carry a heavier workload than a

27:14

guy like Raheem Mostert. I believe

27:17

he scored 18 touchdowns last year but I

27:20

take your meaning who has the higher

27:22

career upside in your mind between Brooks

27:25

and Benson. I

27:27

do think it is I do think it is

27:29

Brooks because I do think if the receiving component

27:32

comes to fruition I think Jonathan Brooks

27:34

there could be that could be the

27:36

determining factor in terms of who

27:38

maybe scores more fantasy points or who you know

27:40

totally yardage or whatever I think it's but I

27:42

think it's close like I think I

27:45

have them a little bit behind where I had Ken's

27:47

Walker and Breece Hall both of these guys they're not

27:49

at that level but I had Ken's Walker and Breece

27:51

Hall very similarly graded in terms of what I thought

27:53

they were right then or upside I kind of feel

27:55

the same way with Brooks and Benson you could almost

27:57

say it's a 1A 1B I don't like to do

27:59

that my rankings so I have a clear one

28:01

and a clear two which is Benson followed by

28:03

Brooks but they're close enough like I had that

28:05

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29:32

we're back with Paul and before we

29:34

get to more names something I didn't say as

29:36

we started talking about the first

29:38

two guys is that in your

29:41

excellent Saturday to Sunday materials

29:43

and the stuff you

29:45

give tiers and

29:48

you give them regardless

29:50

of whether there's anybody in that tier because

29:52

you're trying to say okay here are the

29:54

superstar players and here are the okay you

29:56

know and moving

29:58

down. year you did not

30:01

give that tier one is

30:04

running back so we talked about jonathan brooks and

30:06

trade ends in near them fit into that elite

30:08

here for you of draft prospects yet

30:11

never correct i'd like to try to keep the

30:13

tears consistent from year to year that here one

30:15

is usually reserved for guys that if i was

30:17

you know running an NFL team that i would

30:19

say you know what i'll pull the trigger on

30:21

round one i'm i wasn't there with any of

30:23

these running back this year got it cool alright

30:25

so and and you know

30:27

i've there's not a huge consensus but maybe

30:29

brooks and benson in some order they

30:32

usually wind up in the second round of

30:34

most mock drafts maybe that'll wind up falling

30:36

to the third after that is really no

30:38

consensus so i'm gonna throw names at you

30:40

that aren't even necessarily in the order you

30:42

have them in your guide i'd just maybe

30:44

hopefully a fun kind of

30:47

conversational path i'll start with the littler

30:49

kid blake quorum everybody knows him from

30:51

michigan very very strong player

30:53

for his size very quick clearly

30:56

at five eight not big by NFL

30:59

standards and not straight line fast probably

31:01

by NFL standards uh... someone

31:03

else who he didn't work in

31:05

the in twenty twenty two but it famously didn't

31:07

play in the college playoff because his

31:09

knee was bad and they did have any surgery

31:11

but not as bad as those first two guys

31:14

i remember during the season people telling me always

31:16

going to be austin eckler he's going to be

31:18

austin eckler date

31:20

they didn't use in that way they had thrown the ball

31:22

but maybe they just were missing out yeah

31:25

i don't see i don't feel so that i think he receiving

31:28

skills are good but i don't think that's going to

31:30

be a focal point of his

31:32

game at the next level to me he reminds

31:34

me is running style the compact frame like i

31:37

think some dot martin to him like i think

31:39

that would be a a conflict in the remarks

31:41

by the better receiver anything blake quorum will be

31:43

at the next level but is a guy like

31:45

who for two hundred

31:48

and five pounds he runs

31:50

really hard he breaks tackles he bounces

31:52

off guys because this heat low center

31:54

of gravity really strong leg drive he's

31:56

got that quicker than fast you know

31:59

type of person functionality where he'll make people

32:01

miss in short spaces. I don't think he's gonna

32:03

take a lot to the you know Home run,

32:05

you know hitter type, you know, 50 yard

32:08

touchdown runs But I think he's the guy who's

32:10

gonna constantly keep the chains moving you know pick

32:12

up extra yards just because the way he runs

32:14

the style that he runs with the For

32:17

a smaller guy. You don't see guys that

32:19

small usually run with the aggressiveness and the

32:21

mindset You know of almost wanting contact and

32:23

being able to absorb that contact and pick

32:25

up additional yards I think he's got really

32:28

good vision. I think that's far and away

32:30

his best trait I think that's something that

32:32

you know He'll his patience and vision to

32:34

see the holes then to pick the right

32:37

lanes to the blocking lanes I think is

32:39

what is constantly now he played behind a

32:41

great offensive line at Michigan, you know, obviously

32:43

that was a major advantage We'll

32:46

see where he ends up, you know, he

32:48

might not have that, you know that freedom

32:50

to to have as much patience at the

32:52

next But in college what we

32:54

could evaluate it on was a guy that

32:56

I thought high-end traits in terms of vision

32:58

and patience I like the the frame in

33:01

the physicality and the short area quickness Yeah,

33:04

this is a terrible eval

33:07

really because Guys of

33:09

this running style I've seen enough of Blake Horm

33:11

again because you know watching the college football playoff

33:14

that running style in the

33:16

NFL for a 205 pound running back

33:18

you better be have some room, you

33:21

know Otherwise you what you have the year

33:23

like Austin Eckler I mean Austin Eckler has

33:25

great leg drive and power and low center of

33:27

gravity and when he had blocking and a

33:29

functional offense Around him and a quarterback that

33:31

worked it worked great and then

33:33

when he didn't oh my god, right? We saw

33:35

what it looked like. So landing spots gonna matter

33:37

but you know, the team that takes Blake Horm

33:39

is gonna know When

33:42

you hear Matt Waldman say that he's

33:44

not saying he's gonna reach the ceiling but the ceiling

33:46

is a Ray Rice. I Can

33:49

see I can see why because rice ran like that

33:51

behind a really good offensive line But he was a

33:53

little our guy who ran like that Yeah,

33:56

I think that's another guy that I

33:58

see that come from Matt Just like

34:00

trying to pit a name to Blake

34:03

Horm's running style with that similar stature

34:05

and frame So I think that's pretty

34:07

spot-on, right? Okay, Jalen Wright

34:12

Four three eight forty kid from Tennessee

34:14

good size five ten two hundred and

34:16

ten pounds really

34:18

good like Explosiveness

34:20

numbers at the underwear Olympics as we like

34:23

to call them, you know, the the long

34:25

jump the broad jump the the burst type

34:28

numbers whatever I

34:31

read Waldman who said that Wright is Probably

34:33

never gonna dominate with speed or explosiveness

34:35

Which is very interesting to hear from

34:38

somebody about somebody who's running a sub

34:40

4 4 40 Do

34:42

you feel like his game speed his play

34:45

speed doesn't really live up to that time

34:47

speed? No, I mean

34:49

I started I started a little bit differently So, you know,

34:51

I kind of see in terms of their run game very

34:53

poor So he wasn't playing with

34:55

a strong offensive line there But I do

34:57

think that the speed checks out. I think

34:59

he is an explosive player. I think I

35:03

Think he's more straight line linear. I think he's got

35:05

a good jump cut I don't think he's gonna be

35:07

a guy that really like sharp cuts to make people

35:09

miss but I do think he's got you know You

35:12

know a good jump cut and get

35:14

up field and show off that burst

35:16

in acceleration So I do think that

35:19

the speed kind of translates I think

35:21

sometimes it was the inconsistent vision and

35:23

patience and maybe trying to make something

35:25

happen too quickly Especially behind the offensive

35:27

line that he was behind so I

35:29

could see some areas of there where

35:32

you know When you're evaluating him

35:34

you fall into some traps of you know him

35:37

making a bad decision here I think sometimes he

35:39

was maybe pressing a little bit to try to

35:41

do too much with it and it led to

35:43

some negative plays But I do

35:45

think when there was an opportunity in an opening

35:47

I think he does have that that that breakaway

35:49

speed and that explosiveness. I do think it shows

35:51

up I also think he's a pretty good pass

35:54

catcher So I do think there's there's a pre-down

35:56

skill set there. I don't think he's like a

35:58

lead guy like there's a different level of

36:00

him to Johnson Brooks, but I do think

36:02

he's a guy that can play on all

36:04

three downs, and I do see the explosiveness

36:07

translating. Okay,

36:09

good to hear. College

36:13

production stayed Tennessee three years rare these

36:15

days, not having been to

36:17

the transfer portal, especially when he wasn't a

36:19

starter until this past season. And like you

36:21

said, the per

36:23

carry average is going to be fine, as

36:25

it is for most NFL Draft aspects, but

36:27

the usage is really low. There was no

36:29

other running back there using, they just couldn't

36:31

run. You're going to chalk that

36:34

up to just crummy

36:36

surrounding cast, not a, I mean, it's a decent

36:38

passing offense, but just nothing, nothing really to be

36:40

had on the ground. Yeah, and

36:42

they basically built that offense around, you know,

36:44

airing it out over the last couple of

36:46

years. And that the run game really

36:48

wasn't a point of emphasis, whether their offensive line

36:51

just was, you know, poor at run blocking, or

36:53

that's just not what they wanted to do. They

36:55

just didn't get the type of usage that, you

36:58

know, usually top level running

37:00

backs get at the

37:02

college game that this wasn't in

37:04

their DNA as a passing offense.

37:07

So he went to Tennessee and

37:10

he's, you know, roughly six feet tall

37:12

and roughly 210 pounds and he's fast, you know,

37:14

I'm going to compare him to, right? Is

37:17

that dumb? Is Alvin Kamara dumb? No,

37:19

I don't, I think, I don't think he's dumb.

37:21

I do think, as another guy, I'm going to

37:24

bring up that, that actually think deployment and usage

37:26

might be similar to Kamara, but I could see

37:28

the understanding, especially at Tennessee, the body type is

37:30

similar. He's got three down capabilities. I

37:33

do think a guy like Jalen Wright

37:35

doesn't maybe necessarily have the contact balance.

37:39

We didn't see, maybe see it as much that, that

37:41

I really liked Alvin Kamara coming out. He was a

37:43

guy that not a lot of people were that high

37:45

on and I was really high on him that year

37:47

because I just thought, you know, his combination of athleticism,

37:49

speed, pass coaching, and then I thought the

37:51

contact balance was always one of his special

37:54

traits. I didn't think Kamara's vision was a

37:56

little bit better than Jalen Wright coming out,

37:58

but again, that could be charged. up

38:00

to Jaylen Wright not getting a ton of

38:02

work, a little bit of

38:04

an experience there, and behind a bad run

38:07

offensive line in terms of run blocking, maybe

38:09

trying to do a little bit too much

38:12

there. But I get it. The athletic style

38:14

and the athleticism and the speed and the

38:16

pass-catching, I can see the comparison understanding. Yeah,

38:19

like contact balance is like it's the

38:21

thing that immediately, you know,

38:23

Camara's ascension to the league or to start him

38:25

kind of correspond with the early days of the

38:27

show, we became a very favored player on the

38:29

show because we all had him, because we all

38:31

drafted him early, because the contact balance was immediately

38:33

like crazy. And it's just

38:36

such a hard thing to tell in college, man.

38:38

You just can't really tell, right, until they start

38:40

getting hit by the NFL players

38:42

with NFL speed, you don't really know. And I

38:44

don't hear you telling me that Jaylen Wright has

38:46

that kind of contact balance.

38:48

Let me talk about a running

38:50

back who we've been hearing

38:53

about for a long ass time. Two

38:56

huge statistical seasons as

38:58

a freshman and sophomore at Wisconsin

39:01

and then didn't have a

39:03

huge year this year, but I think we suspect

39:05

it was because of high ankle sprain, I think.

39:08

But hype wise, Braylon Allen is a

39:10

kid that a lot of people know,

39:12

a lot of people heard about. He's coming, he's the next

39:14

Wisconsin running back, you know, that kind of guy. But

39:18

we're definitely out of order here in

39:20

running back, in the order in

39:22

which you like him. And I think probably

39:24

the order they'll get drafted also. He's

39:27

not your favorite. You don't have Braylon Allen

39:29

inside of your top 10. I'm not going

39:31

to, I don't think you think he stinks.

39:33

He's six foot one, 240 pounds. He's a giant moose. Does

39:35

he have a life in the

39:43

NFL beyond the like,

39:46

the AJ Dillon kind of

39:48

nonsense? I honestly, that was

39:50

the guy I was going to say. I honestly, I

39:53

think he's AJ Dillon. I have never been in the

39:56

dev community and draft Twitter community, Braylon Allen has

39:58

been getting a lot of hype for. years

40:00

and I don't see it like

40:02

he's big he's got some straight line

40:04

speed but we talked about before a

40:07

guy who's 216 maybe not playing up

40:09

to his size and that he

40:11

doesn't play like a 235 pound

40:14

back it's okay his play shrank but

40:16

I want that to be a calling

40:18

card I want the power to be

40:20

jumping off at the page especially in

40:22

college like just running people over breaking

40:24

tackles and he didn't he played almost

40:26

more of like like a finesse style

40:28

than a power back at

40:30

Wisconsin and not always with kind of a

40:33

red flag we don't even know what a

40:35

straight line speed is I'm sure

40:37

it's okay in terms of straight line but he

40:39

doesn't have a lot of lateral movement skills he

40:41

doesn't have the ability to stop

40:43

and cut I think it's deceleration and

40:46

trying to resellerate would really would be

40:48

picked apart at the in

40:50

terms of the NFL game I don't love the footwork

40:52

so I think you're talking about a guy who's got

40:54

some straight line speed and burst good size

40:56

and frame but doesn't even play up to that on

40:58

a more consistent basis so I don't that's why he's

41:01

out of my top ten I think an NFL team

41:03

will be intrigued with it and probably take him in

41:05

like round four but he's not

41:07

a kind of guy that I think will have a

41:09

lot of success in

41:11

terms of being a heavy workload

41:14

lead guy maybe if it's behind a great

41:16

strong offensive line I mean could he be

41:18

Gus Edwards I mean I don't know if

41:20

that that gets anybody excited but maybe that's

41:22

like the type of player he is I

41:25

don't see a very high ceiling for Braylon

41:27

Allen I have a lot of questions his production this

41:29

year the ankle spray had something to do with it

41:31

and for the first time in fuck in decades Wisconsin

41:33

kind of moved away from their power run game and

41:35

one become more like everybody else in college and throw

41:38

the football all over the field and that also was

41:40

a part to do with the lack of production this

41:42

year if there's an

41:44

evolution of man in the like

41:46

chart diagram you know the of

41:49

the growth in height

41:51

for these very big very strong but

41:53

very slow running backs it

41:55

all it's how it's completely about how long

41:57

they're in the league people

42:00

think about that about Gus Edwards now, but that's

42:02

because they know him, they've been in the league,

42:04

but they're just hoping, they're just hoping someone Gus

42:06

Edwards is young. He was AJ Dillon, when everyone

42:08

was telling me, you know, you're missing the boat,

42:10

you're missing AJ Dillon. And before that, AJ Dillon

42:12

was Roshan Johnson, ahh, we're missing the boat, right?

42:14

The younger they are. Yeah,

42:17

so it doesn't sound appealing to me.

42:19

Let's see where he lands and someone's gonna,

42:22

he can't be Quadzilla, because that's AJ Dillon. So

42:25

everybody out there, you can come up with, pick

42:27

a muscle part and find a nickname for me,

42:29

and we'll try to make that happen for Braylon

42:31

Allen. So let's flip it around the

42:33

other way, and I think

42:36

this prospect is more favored by

42:38

you than a lot of folks. So one that

42:40

you're lower on and maybe one that you're

42:42

higher on. It's Tyron Tracy out of Purdue,

42:45

and, ahh, you

42:48

know, he spent four years at Iowa.

42:50

He was done. He was done with College of Paul. He

42:52

was a receiver the entire time he was there. So,

42:55

you know, maybe we're not gonna have that worry about

42:57

Tyron Tracy, about him being a

42:59

pass catcher, though we did say that about

43:01

Antonio Gibson, and that hasn't exactly worked out. But

43:04

tell me what you like about Tyron Tracy and

43:06

his one season at Purdue as a running back.

43:09

So yeah, so I was, he was a guy

43:12

I came into really late, you know, he was not

43:14

a guy on my radar, obviously, last summer, because he

43:16

wasn't a running back. But the

43:18

more I watched him this year, I was

43:20

actually impressed with how quickly, listen, he's still

43:22

lacking some natural run instincts. There's still some

43:24

inexperience there. But, you know, I think he's

43:26

more of a, you know, a gap

43:28

type runner than a zone, because I still think there's some

43:30

indecisiveness. But the athleticism, the speed,

43:32

the burst, the acceleration, the agility to make

43:35

you miss, you know, that's all there. And,

43:37

you know, you put him, you know, you

43:39

give him any space, he's gone. Like, he

43:41

could take that guy and be a home

43:43

run threat. He's also a guy, obviously,

43:45

with the receiving background as a guy who could be

43:47

a weapon in the passing game. You

43:50

brought, you mentioned the name Antonio Gibson. Like,

43:52

I think the usage

43:55

or deployment early on might be Gibson, but

43:57

this is kind of the guy that... that

43:59

I was kind of alluding to before. I

44:02

don't think he's gonna ever have the career

44:04

of Alvin Kamara, but Alvin Kamara morphed into

44:07

this guy. That was not the original plan,

44:09

I think. And if anybody goes back and

44:11

looks at Alvin Kamara from that year one,

44:13

the way that they deployed him and used

44:16

him alongside Mark Ingram at the

44:18

time, I kind of think a team is gonna

44:20

look at Tyrone Tracy and use him and deploy

44:22

him in terms of what we saw out of

44:24

Kamara. And I think there's some natural

44:27

development and growth still to be had as

44:29

a guy who was relatively new to the

44:31

position. He's obviously been in college for six

44:33

years. That's a very long time. But

44:36

I was surprised when I watched him

44:38

that I was more impressed with some

44:40

of the vision and the patience than I

44:42

expected for a guy new to the position

44:44

on top of the rural level athleticism and

44:46

the receiving capabilities. So in the year that

44:49

this question marks at a lot of the

44:51

running backs, I think after the top couple,

44:53

he had a lot of traits that really intrigued me

44:55

as a guy who I could see the NFL

44:57

liking. I think he's gonna go higher than

45:00

some people think. And there's things

45:02

about his game that I think as

45:04

the development continues, he could really be

45:06

a weapon at the next level with

45:08

his versatility and his explosiveness. If

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are back with Paul and we've got some

46:32

more running backs to talk about. And then

46:34

yeah, we'll talk about one tight end. Okay.

46:37

We'll do one tight end at the very,

46:39

very end because he's supposed to be good

46:41

and I'm nauseated by it, but we'll get

46:43

to that. Let's rip through

46:45

some more of these running backs.

46:48

They're all interesting sounding players, so I don't think

46:50

any of them. We're not

46:52

talking about slappies here, but nobody

46:55

who looks on his face like an

46:57

immediate star. Marshawn Lloyd in Southern

47:00

California this past year, but also South

47:02

Carolina. He had the market covered on

47:04

USCs. And 59220, a

47:08

little spark plug kind of a guy,

47:10

but not slow. Everyone

47:12

who I have read about Marshawn

47:14

Lloyd says the first thing, bad

47:16

ball security. Yes, it

47:18

is the number one thing in my area of

47:20

development needs. I think some pass protection issues as

47:23

well, which is unfortunate because he is a guy

47:25

that can be a weapon in the receiving game.

47:27

But between pass protection issues and ball security and

47:29

some injuries in the past, nothing major like some

47:31

of the other guys. But I do think there's

47:33

some areas where that's why I think he's going

47:36

to fall to maybe the latter part around three

47:38

or maybe even into the beginning

47:40

of the day three. But I do

47:42

like the overall what I sort of

47:44

share, especially more this year at USC

47:46

than previously South Carolina. I

47:49

think we saw more explosiveness this year. I thought his

47:51

footwork was a little bit better this year. I thought

47:53

we saw more play strength and contact balance. You talked

47:55

about 220. Again, he plays

47:57

up to that 220 size in

47:59

terms of... breaking tackles, picking up extra yards,

48:01

but also having the speed and burst to

48:03

get to the perimeter. You see the lateral

48:06

quickness at times. You see the ability to

48:08

get to the perimeter and

48:10

make a big play. So there's things about Marshall and

48:12

Lloyd's game that I like, I thought he runs with

48:14

really good tempo. I think sometimes we

48:16

see guys that are just one speed all

48:18

the time. I think Lloyd does a pretty good job

48:20

in terms of varying his run tempo. And

48:23

you combine that with his receiving

48:26

capabilities. I think there's, again, not

48:28

a need for him to come off the

48:30

field if that opportunity arose where he could

48:32

be the lead guy. He's not a guy,

48:34

if the pass protection could hold

48:36

up, I think that's the one caveat that

48:38

could keep him off the field on three

48:40

downs, but his receiving capabilities maybe supersede that

48:42

if they don't have to ask him to

48:44

block. And of course, if

48:46

he fumbles the first three times, he's just, well, we'll never

48:49

hear from him again. But ball security

48:51

in college obviously doesn't

48:55

often translate to, sometimes it does, sometimes

48:58

it doesn't. that

49:00

guy's gonna fumble. You get new coaching,

49:03

who's to say? So Marshawn Lloyd sounds like someone

49:05

to at least keep track of the landing spot

49:07

and not get blinded by what

49:09

we think of as bad landing spots because

49:12

we're wrong all the time. How about the

49:14

Kentucky kid, Ray Davis? Actually, only a Kentucky

49:16

kid for one year. He was two at

49:18

Temple, two at Vanderbilt, and then one at

49:20

Kentucky. We're talking 2,600

49:23

scrimmage yards the last

49:25

two years at SEC

49:27

schools against SEC defenses,

49:30

but didn't test anything

49:32

like an elite athlete. So

49:35

how's that kid gonna get it done in the NFL? Yeah,

49:38

I do think we kind of talked before a

49:41

little bit about Blake Horm in terms of that

49:43

compact frame. I kind of feel like Ray Davis

49:45

is like the slightly reduced version of Blake Horm.

49:48

They had a lot of productivity in college. I think

49:50

their style of runner is similar in

49:54

that They do have good contact bounds

49:56

for a smaller guy. They Do play a physical.

50:00

The go style they don't have that

50:02

top end speed there quicker than fast.

50:04

I like Gray Davis's fault work at

50:06

a he runs will good pair level

50:08

in terms of that's when leads to

50:10

him absorbed into contact well and breaking

50:12

tackles and picking up that extra yardage

50:14

of. We. Saw him handle you mustn't

50:16

a guys don't see the top level

50:18

defenses but he did and he produced

50:21

in a you said in the Sc

50:23

seats and I think you know that

50:25

that mindset of runs really tough. Pas.

50:28

Shows good power, has receiving capabilities and

50:30

good movements. Killed him know he doesn't

50:32

have that breakaway speed so I that's

50:34

not going to be as calling car

50:36

but again I look at a gala

50:38

Gray Davis and you know he's a

50:40

guy that. If given the opportunity

50:42

I think he can be a guy that

50:44

can be a lead of a committee in

50:46

terms of about feel who probably avoid Round

50:48

four. Draught Capital and within run for Drug

50:50

Capital always opened up the door to be

50:52

the next Michael Carter and next Damien. Peers

50:55

right? You could have one good year and

50:57

and then you're replaceable because they're looking for

50:59

something a more versatile are more votes of

51:01

skill sets and Angry David kind of falls

51:03

into that group in a lot of these

51:05

running backs of but I do think his

51:07

production production were I made a huge production

51:09

guy in college means a lot are using

51:11

where he. Was on not a great team

51:13

in Kentucky. The fact that he was able

51:15

to do what he does I do.i didn't

51:17

does. Correlate. A little

51:19

bit in terms of the individual player in the

51:22

town that he does possess. I

51:24

mentioned off the top. Or. As

51:26

a spell are still being and with the

51:28

Chargers so they all could turn into is

51:31

a spiller to all those for others. So

51:33

yeah we're We're attempting to get a bunch

51:35

of names on people's radar, but we are

51:37

certainly in the park. These names weeks that

51:40

most of these guys will never pop in

51:42

the Nfl. But. You're. Still gonna take

51:44

them in. Rookie Dynasty drops you should and

51:46

there's to were still in a wash them

51:48

training camp and listen to all the insufferable

51:50

hype about them and kind of just try

51:52

to singer singer our way through the weeds

51:54

until we get to actual games. That counts,

51:56

If they played then we can actually get

51:58

real date on them. But. It's good to

52:00

know what kind of player they are. So

52:03

like Ray Davis as Budget by a Corum.

52:05

I get that that's gonna be in my

52:07

head about Will Shipley Are. Very.

52:09

Fast kid. It is Pro day. Five foot

52:12

eleven, two hundred and six pounds you know?

52:14

was never even really the main guy in

52:16

his own team at Clemson. Arm.

52:19

Is. Is he is he. He seems like he

52:21

was the catching option and Clemson but also these

52:24

have a lot of talent. So is he destined

52:26

to be a catching options in the Nfl? Or

52:28

can he be more than that? The

52:30

game be a little bit more than that

52:33

but I don't think he's going to be

52:35

a guy that it handles sixteen or sixteen

52:37

touches. I think we're talking about a guy

52:39

may be like and eleven touches. I mean

52:41

ten eleven carries is probably the max and

52:43

then not receiving component so I do like

52:45

Will Ship lead the athleticism the movement skills

52:47

are receiving capabilities. I really like the foot

52:50

words he should. Good agility and change direction.

52:52

skill, division, patients is there. I do feel

52:54

like once in kind of for your kind

52:56

of slide in a little bit. The last

52:58

couple years took a little bit of the.

53:00

Excitement off of Will Shibley. I think if

53:02

we were seeing Clemson where they were for

53:04

a while it in the national title hunt

53:06

I think was probably my be generating a

53:08

little bit more bugs so think it's we

53:11

been a little bit I didn't get a

53:13

foul. Be intrigued with him you know it

53:15

If they have assume they do their homework

53:17

of because there is a lot to like

53:19

about his game in a specific role. like

53:21

if you have a guy was more of

53:23

that in between the tackles power type runner

53:25

or they will ship blue be the ideal

53:27

compliment a guy he it a perimeter about

53:29

being a weapon as the backfield. But

53:31

that's what we're talking about here. does does

53:33

like different types like with dogs debris when

53:35

alan which talk about order to semi like

53:38

does bigger physical guys and then we got

53:40

a guy like Will Shipley or Tyrone Treat

53:42

see that get have a different type of

53:44

role but more explosiveness but not handle that

53:46

heavy typo workload. That's. Good

53:48

for us to know. I mean to

53:50

be honest in ppr for ppr as

53:53

cursor this it is as. you

53:55

move maybe a little more worth something good to to

53:58

to talk about just have that near i had I

54:00

really wanted to get to this kid out of

54:02

Louisville, Isaac Gorrendo,

54:05

because his 6 foot, 221

54:08

pounds, 4'3, 340,

54:11

just monster explosiveness

54:13

workout numbers, and

54:15

for four years he really couldn't get on

54:17

the field at all at Wisconsin because of

54:20

Braylon Allen. He goes to Louisville, and

54:22

wasn't the starter there either. And

54:25

so I go, a guy looks like that

54:27

coming off the bus, and then measures

54:30

like that and works out like that, I

54:34

go, okay, was this

54:36

all just like bad juju,

54:38

bad circumstances, unluckiness or is there

54:41

something like wrong with the kid?

54:44

Yeah, I think that's a question that from

54:46

the outside perspective, it's hard to really know

54:48

because he's a guy that you thought would

54:50

have taken the reins, but we sometimes see

54:52

a lot with the transfer portal, like I'm

54:54

drawing a blank on the name, but a

54:56

couple years ago I remember somebody transferring and

54:58

I expected him to take the reins, I

55:00

think it was at Oklahoma, and he never

55:02

really did, it was like a slow grind

55:04

to eventually get the opportunity. So Gorrendo ends

55:06

up in Louisville and has that

55:09

athleticism, has that size, has that frame,

55:11

but for whatever, he wasn't kind of

55:13

thrust into the mix like as the lead

55:15

guy right away. But as you

55:17

watch more of him though, you see some

55:19

of that athleticism and speed kind of translating

55:21

to, you know, on the football field and

55:23

maybe it was just a, you know, circumstances,

55:25

but when you see some of those glimpses

55:27

and then he tests like he did at

55:30

the size and frame he is, I'm intrigued

55:32

by him in a class that I don't

55:34

think has a lot of guys that I

55:36

feel great about. So like I would much

55:38

rather take my chance at Isaac Gorrendo than

55:40

a guy like Braylon Allen because I think

55:42

Gorrendo plays up to a size, is more

55:44

explosive, is a better pass catcher

55:47

in the limited work that we've seen. I don't

55:49

think he's going to be, I think just some

55:51

inconsistent vision and patience and I've talked about that

55:53

a lot because there are some guys that just

55:56

don't have a ton of experience where usually the

55:58

top running backs, top 10 running backs. coming

56:00

out, usually have heavy, heavy workloads in college. I think

56:02

this year is a little bit of a unique scenario.

56:04

There's a couple guys in that top 10 mix who

56:08

don't have the traditional heavy workload that they're

56:10

used to and accustomed to in college. So

56:12

can that vision and patience be something that

56:14

develops? I think that'll impact maybe what his

56:17

ceiling is at the next level, but I

56:19

think the athleticism and the speed and the

56:21

size and frame is gonna intrigue teams, and

56:23

he'll be another guy that goes ahead of

56:25

some other guys that are more

56:27

well known in terms

56:30

of the national consensus. Right,

56:33

like you say, the speed,

56:36

the size, the athleticism, all that stuff, people

56:38

have to understand these testing numbers are like

56:40

Breeze Hall. These testing numbers are

56:42

crazy off the charts, and yet, clearly,

56:45

he never became that in college, and

56:48

so maybe he just is one of

56:50

those players who would never make it, because

56:52

he's not a football player, he's an athlete. But

56:54

remember, there are, or at least have been in

56:57

NFL history, guys who were just stuck behind weird

57:00

depth charts, I mean, Priest Homes,

57:03

stuck at Texas behind a weird depth chart.

57:05

Terrell Davis stuck at Georgia behind, just never

57:07

really got to play, and then they get

57:10

to the NFL, and oh my God. So

57:13

yeah, I mean, that's why I wanna talk to you

57:15

about him. I'm really interested in where he lands based on

57:17

what you just said for sure. I

57:19

have a couple more names that I'll ask

57:22

you. Again, we're not promising miracles with these

57:24

guys. They are on the

57:27

opposite ends of the size scale. You've

57:29

got Bucky Irving, Oregon

57:32

kid, 5'9", 192 pounds, and

57:35

what a fun college player, right? One

57:38

year in Minnesota, but really broke out as

57:41

Oregon became a powerhouse

57:44

offensively. Not gonna

57:46

blow you away with power or speed, even though

57:48

sometimes it felt that way in college, just because

57:50

sometimes you can break a linebacker's tackle, because they're

57:52

not NFL linebackers. It's

57:55

hard to say there'd be a full-time NFL running

57:57

back, I don't think, at that size. Yeah,

58:01

when Bugger is a guy that some people

58:03

really are into him other people are lukewarm

58:05

I probably closer to lukewarm, but I think

58:08

I do think there's some things that do

58:10

stand out about his game He is a

58:12

guy that can be a weapon in the

58:15

receiving game I do think his while he

58:17

tested poorly in terms of like straight line

58:19

speed and even some of the change of

58:21

direction Stuff not ideal. I feel like on

58:23

the football on the film. We did see

58:25

short area quickness We we did see pretty

58:27

good footwork. So I think he's a guy

58:29

that plays speed Much

58:32

better than what we saw in terms of time speed

58:34

I do think he is kind of destined to be

58:37

a committee type guy, you know as

58:39

a guy is this Past catching back change

58:42

of pace. I'm not sure he's gonna get

58:44

an opportunity, you know to be the lead

58:46

guy But we saw a guy

58:48

if he's gonna have a path to success It's

58:51

gonna be like the path of Kyron Williams

58:53

where I think he'll go on day three

58:55

and does that opportunity arise and maybe the

58:58

Athletic testing which obviously Karen Williams was even

59:00

way worse in bucky Irving But I still

59:02

think there are some similarities in what they

59:04

did in college and then the

59:06

NFL not being so high on them

59:08

Does the opportunity arise where he can maybe

59:11

take advantage of it like we serve Kyron Williams

59:13

I think that's where we're gonna have to kind

59:15

of wait and see what bucky Irving I do

59:17

like the vision and patience Those are two things

59:19

that I don't stood out on his film at

59:21

Oregon And like I said

59:23

the play speed I think is better than

59:25

the time speed and he does a good

59:27

job in short spaces And making people miss

59:29

to pick up those yards He just doesn't

59:32

have that breakaway speed for what you usually

59:34

expect to see maybe a guy's only 192

59:36

pounds Yeah,

59:38

yeah, you know, we know why

59:40

Kyron Williams happened It's a great

59:42

combination of probably a missed evaluation

59:44

But also landing in the perfect

59:46

spot with a team that just

59:48

kind of saw the trend of two safeties

59:50

back and decided to completely Buck

59:53

the trend no no pun intended and

59:55

and run a ton of gap just

59:57

power like run over people huge lanes

1:00:01

Yeah, but like it could happen. Who

1:00:03

knows what this year is going to look like? We could see

1:00:05

more of that. People might steal from the Rams and start running

1:00:07

that stuff more too. So interesting. We

1:00:09

will keep an eye on Bucky

1:00:12

Irving. And then the other side

1:00:14

of that continuum, the larger side,

1:00:16

you mentioned him briefly a moment

1:00:18

ago, Audrey Estimé, Notre Dame kid.

1:00:21

So lots of national TV exposure. People

1:00:23

know the name. It's a great name, obviously.

1:00:26

Very fun. Spelled like Estimé

1:00:28

but not the actual S time.

1:00:31

But great, great junior year,

1:00:34

slow. But so

1:00:36

was Chris Carson. So we think of

1:00:38

bigger dudes who, if they are tough

1:00:41

between the tackles and can grind and

1:00:43

just know angles a little

1:00:45

bit, they can carve out pretty good,

1:00:48

if pretty short, contact-based kind of careers.

1:00:51

David Montgomery's turned into that kind of player, sort of.

1:00:54

Does Estimé have that

1:00:56

sort of potential in your estimation? Yeah,

1:01:00

I think he does. I think Carson has been

1:01:02

the guy I've been confident to for most of

1:01:04

this season over at S to

1:01:06

S. So I think he's the kind of

1:01:08

guy. And while he tested really slow, I

1:01:10

don't think he played that slowly. And I

1:01:12

did think we even saw him get

1:01:15

to the outside and get to the perimeter a little

1:01:17

bit and pick up some chunk yards. I don't think

1:01:19

that's going to be his game in terms of the

1:01:21

NFL. But it's not like it's not on his film.

1:01:23

There are times that he was able to get to

1:01:25

the outside and take one pretty far

1:01:27

distance. But I do think

1:01:29

Chris Carson's the right thing. For him, it's going to be his

1:01:32

play strength, his power, the physicality,

1:01:34

the leg drive, running with good pad level, playing

1:01:36

up to that size, that 221. But

1:01:43

there's some lateral quickness there, even though it

1:01:45

didn't show on that 40 time.

1:01:48

So I do think just a little bit to his game. I

1:01:51

think I like him better than a guy like

1:01:53

Braylon Allen in terms of translating to the next

1:01:55

level. They're close to me. I think they're

1:01:57

back to back. I think in my rankings, I think they're both

1:01:59

guys. probably gonna go in round four of

1:02:01

the NFL Draft, maybe one falls to round

1:02:03

five, but I think there

1:02:06

are guys that need a gap type

1:02:08

run offense, good offensive line, they

1:02:10

need that initial lane to kind of

1:02:12

get going, so they do think they

1:02:15

both have some build-up speed, but

1:02:17

they're not gonna make people miss. If they play

1:02:19

behind a average or poor offensive line, I think

1:02:21

it's gonna be hard for them. Maybe like you

1:02:24

talked about if teams or defenses are playing a

1:02:26

certain way and you just run power right at

1:02:28

them, he'd be ideal in that, but if

1:02:31

that opportunity doesn't arise, I don't think he's gonna

1:02:33

be a guy that adds a lot of explosiveness,

1:02:35

a lot of make-you-miss, so I think he's a

1:02:37

little bit limited in terms of what offense he

1:02:39

fits where some of these other guys have a

1:02:41

little bit more versatility to their game. So

1:02:44

it's just useful to hear you talk about these

1:02:46

guys for me personally, and I hope for the

1:02:48

many many thousands of people who are listening to

1:02:51

you because all people know mostly, well, someone

1:02:54

like Estebay who played at Notre Dame

1:02:57

got probably more

1:02:59

hyped by the home network than a lot

1:03:01

of players would, but guys who tested

1:03:03

worse than their film are always good to hear

1:03:05

about. For me personally, it's something I always file

1:03:08

away, and you said it about a few guys

1:03:10

today, that I know that

1:03:13

the conversation around a

1:03:16

lot of these rookie running backs this summer

1:03:18

will be geared around people pretending they know

1:03:20

them when in fact they're just looking at

1:03:22

their combine numbers, you know, so the

1:03:24

idea that you get a notion

1:03:26

like, Estebay unusable, and then

1:03:29

we go, oh, I mean, I don't know,

1:03:31

I remember Paul telling us a few things

1:03:33

about him that maybe make him feel a

1:03:35

little more usable, so it's a

1:03:37

long way between being a big

1:03:39

guy and being good in the NFL clearly, but sounds

1:03:42

like you think he's got a chance. That's

1:03:44

good. There are so many other running backs we

1:03:46

could talk about. There's a couple dozen more that

1:03:48

would be that are probably either gonna get drafted

1:03:50

or signed right away after the draft, but that's

1:03:52

just one more reason to be investing in the

1:03:55

Saturday to Sunday notebooks and

1:03:59

Matt Waldman. rookie scouting portfolio find a

1:04:01

couple of good resources those are two my

1:04:03

two main resources and and

1:04:06

you'll learn more about we have we've beat

1:04:08

the hook a little bit leave a little

1:04:10

more on the hook for for people want

1:04:12

to learn about some other running back names

1:04:14

because Paul as advertised

1:04:16

we obviously have to do a in-depth

1:04:18

exploration of the tight ends in this

1:04:20

draft oh wait I'm being told by

1:04:22

myself that no we don't and

1:04:25

in fact we're gonna talk about exactly one tight

1:04:28

end because I know that there's a couple other

1:04:30

kids who people like and it's fine and get

1:04:32

the get the Saturday to Sunday guide if you

1:04:34

really want to explore tight ends but we know

1:04:36

how rookie tight ends go usually doesn't work out Sam

1:04:38

La Porta it certainly did work out last year I

1:04:42

am talking of course about Brock Bowers who's gonna

1:04:44

get drafted I think a lot

1:04:46

higher even than Sam La Porta did I get

1:04:49

it he's a

1:04:51

franchise player it's just the

1:04:53

reason I am so loathe to indulge this

1:04:55

is that I've heard it before and I've

1:04:57

heard it really recently because you may know

1:04:59

this guy Kyle Pitts you may be aware

1:05:02

of Kyle Pitts and what he did to

1:05:05

a city a franchise a position

1:05:08

tell me why Brock Bowers isn't gonna be like

1:05:10

Kyle Pitts early in his career I

1:05:14

mean I the one thing about I'll say

1:05:16

about Brock Bowers is relative to Kyle Pitts

1:05:18

is I do think he offers

1:05:20

a little bit more versatility than Kyle Pitts

1:05:23

I think Kyle Pitts was the guy that

1:05:26

Brock Bowers can do a little bit more

1:05:28

tight end ish things even though that's not

1:05:30

gonna be why a team drafts him in

1:05:32

the top 15 because I think

1:05:34

he's gonna go in top 15 but I do

1:05:36

think he's got more versatility where Kyle Pitts basically

1:05:39

had a lineup detached or as the big slot

1:05:41

I do think you can line up Brock Bowers

1:05:43

in line a little bit you could do some

1:05:45

more tight end things where it's not so obvious

1:05:48

now obviously the passing game is receiving skills is

1:05:50

what makes him you know a special prospect

1:05:52

in terms of you know the NFL draft

1:05:54

he's got the athleticism he's got the movement

1:05:57

skills he's got really great body control I

1:05:59

think his body controlling ball skills with

1:06:01

the ability to adjust is better

1:06:03

than Kyle Pitts coming out. I

1:06:06

think Kyle Pitts was a better athlete, had

1:06:09

better length, catch radius, stuff like that.

1:06:11

Brock Bowers is 6'3, 243. He's

1:06:15

not this phenom in terms

1:06:17

of wingspan and stuff like that. The

1:06:19

length and the catch radius is suspect.

1:06:22

But I do think we saw a

1:06:24

path for Brock

1:06:26

Bowers last year with Sam LaPorta. I

1:06:29

do think he's more athletically gifted than

1:06:31

Sam LaPorta. That's why we're talking about

1:06:33

him. I think he ends up going

1:06:35

between 10 and 15, whether

1:06:37

it's the Jets to the Colts. I

1:06:39

think that's probably the sweet spot for

1:06:41

Brock Bowers. We're not going to see

1:06:44

him push to the Kyle Pitts level.

1:06:46

We're over high-end wide receivers. I

1:06:48

think it's a little bit more appropriate where he's going

1:06:50

to go. We

1:06:54

saw him be the focal point of

1:06:56

basically a dominant Georgia team for the

1:06:58

better part of the last couple years.

1:07:00

We saw him come on as a

1:07:03

19-year-old freshman and in the SEC producing

1:07:05

immediately. I think

1:07:07

he could be a guy that can be one

1:07:09

of the focal points of an offense. There's

1:07:12

been a little bit more versatility to his game than

1:07:14

the guy like Kyle Pitts. We know the

1:07:16

transition could still be hard. It might

1:07:18

depend a little bit on the offensive

1:07:20

coordinator, the head coach, whatever the

1:07:22

scheme they have is and how they utilize

1:07:24

him because we know that's a big factor

1:07:27

when it comes to tight ends and how

1:07:29

quickly they translate to the next game in

1:07:31

terms of the usage. Maybe Kyle Pitts turns

1:07:33

it around at some point. Maybe that first

1:07:35

year he did get 1,000 yards and then

1:07:37

kind of went off the rails since then.

1:07:41

I have higher expectations, I think,

1:07:43

for Brock Bowers translating more

1:07:46

than Kyle Pitts because of the

1:07:48

ability that he can do some

1:07:50

inline stuff which might

1:07:53

create more mismatches for him than the traditional

1:07:55

Kyle Pitts. It's probably usually going to get

1:07:57

a safety order in the nickel corner. hours

1:08:00

might see more might

1:08:02

get into that some linebackers are on

1:08:04

him at times just because of the

1:08:07

way you know the offense is

1:08:10

aligning him and I think that opens up

1:08:12

a little bit more for maybe a little

1:08:14

bit less downside or risk

1:08:16

that there's a little bit more to his game

1:08:18

than maybe just a strict pass catching tight end

1:08:20

like Al Pitts or Evan Ingram or somebody like

1:08:23

that. Okay,

1:08:25

two things. Number one, all

1:08:28

I was told three years ago was that

1:08:30

the fact that Cal Pitts was a big

1:08:32

wide receiver was the greatest thing in the

1:08:34

world and now I'm being told oh well

1:08:36

you know he's too much like a wide

1:08:38

receiver. I know you can't

1:08:41

speak for the entire draft industrial complex.

1:08:43

I know you're butt a

1:08:45

cog. And

1:08:48

number two, I have to say it's easy

1:08:50

for you to say oh I like

1:08:52

powers a little more than I liked Pitts. Is

1:08:55

that really true? If we went back

1:08:57

and talked to you about Kyle

1:08:59

Pitts three years ago, were you like whoa whoa

1:09:01

whoa pump the brakes on this top five stuff?

1:09:04

No, I thought he warranted going

1:09:07

in the top ten. I did

1:09:09

think taking him over the elite

1:09:11

wide receivers that year, that was

1:09:13

correct me if I'm wrong, that

1:09:15

was the Jim R. Chase, Devonta

1:09:17

Smith, Jaylen Waddle. Yeah, I

1:09:19

thought those guys should have been taking over

1:09:21

him. I thought he warranted going in the

1:09:23

top ten. I thought you had to understand

1:09:25

who he was as a guy who was

1:09:27

not going to do any blocking was strictly

1:09:29

going to be basically a slot wide receiver.

1:09:31

And I do think on the athleticism and

1:09:34

the overall upside, I think Pitts ceiling

1:09:36

and if I had like numerical grades, I

1:09:38

probably would have had a slightly higher grade

1:09:40

on Kyle Pitts. But what I think about

1:09:42

in terms of translating

1:09:45

right now, I think there's a

1:09:47

little bit safer of a

1:09:49

converting to the NFL because I do

1:09:51

think Bowers offers a little bit more

1:09:53

versatility than Pitts. I don't think it's

1:09:55

ceiling as high as Kyle Pitts and

1:09:57

I think that's why Kyle Pitts went

1:09:59

top top five or whatever and again, I

1:10:01

thought he should go top ten just not over

1:10:03

the other wide receivers that year but

1:10:06

I think Bowers is a little safer in

1:10:08

that I do think he can do some

1:10:10

more tight end things and he's not going

1:10:12

to go ahead of Romel Dunsey or Malik

1:10:14

Naverz, I don't think. But I mean that

1:10:16

would basically be what happened

1:10:19

X amount of years ago with Kyle Pitts. I

1:10:21

don't think that's where Brock Bowers is. So I

1:10:23

think the narrative is a little different than it

1:10:25

was with Kyle Pitts. I think Kyle Pitts is

1:10:27

ceiling three years ago. Yeah, if they were in

1:10:29

the same draft class, I probably would have a

1:10:32

higher grade on Kyle Pitts but I do think

1:10:34

there's less concerns in terms

1:10:36

of being a good player. Yeah,

1:10:38

higher for you. Okay, fair. I

1:10:43

just like it's I

1:10:45

think it's a bad pick by an NFL team. I

1:10:47

think the Jets do it. They're dumb. I

1:10:50

think anybody who does it in the pick 11 or 13

1:10:52

or whatever is dumb because it's a luxury item.

1:10:56

He might very well be Travis Kelsey but he's

1:10:58

not going to be Travis Kelsey to start and

1:11:00

let's face it, he's not Travis Kelsey. He's not

1:11:03

Rob Gronkowski. He's not that size. I

1:11:06

don't know, man. I

1:11:08

don't hate him. I never said that

1:11:10

Kyle Pitts stinks. I just said it's

1:11:13

an absolute luxury item and taking number four

1:11:15

overall in an NFL draft is insane. And

1:11:18

I say the same thing about I guess

1:11:20

I would just say it about all tight ends but certainly

1:11:22

somebody who isn't like clearly also

1:11:24

a run masher, clearly also somebody

1:11:26

who is outstanding at other things.

1:11:31

When Brock Bowers winds up tight end four

1:11:33

in fantasy drafts this year, what's your reaction

1:11:35

going to be? It's

1:11:38

going to be a disaster because I

1:11:40

don't envy you or anybody that does

1:11:42

redraft rankings because I think

1:11:44

he's going to be pushed up way too

1:11:46

high in redraft rankings. You want to tell

1:11:48

me top five, top six in dynasty rankings

1:11:51

because you're buying what he could be? Sure.

1:11:54

After the first four or five guys, you want

1:11:56

to say Brock Bowers is there but to me

1:11:58

it's going to be... know, wait

1:12:01

and see a little bit. I'm sure he's

1:12:03

gonna be in people's top aides, not

1:12:05

your top aide, I know he's not gonna be in.

1:12:08

He's gonna be, I don't know what it's gonna be,

1:12:10

but I think he's gonna be three. Like I think

1:12:12

it's gonna be inevitable, you know. They wouldn't have taken

1:12:14

him if they weren't gonna use him. That's

1:12:18

my non-smart guy voice. And

1:12:20

I don't mean to give a short trip to all the other

1:12:22

tight ends, but you know,

1:12:24

Jatavian Sanders, Longhorn Hookham, you know,

1:12:27

I'll let you buy the guide

1:12:29

because the transition is really, really

1:12:32

hard and the idea that redraft-wise

1:12:35

any of these other rookie tight ends

1:12:37

are immediate contributors on the level of

1:12:39

Laporta feels like a stretch. Yeah,

1:12:42

I don't think, I think last year's class, and you

1:12:44

know, I like a bunch of guys last year from

1:12:46

Laporta and Musgrave, but you know, we

1:12:48

don't, listen, it took Trey McBride to his second year before

1:12:51

he got an opportunity and things kind of break and they

1:12:53

had to trade Zach Hertz away, you know.

1:12:55

So you know, Dalton Kincaid last year,

1:12:57

there was a few glimpses, but that's

1:12:59

all it really was in his rookie

1:13:01

year. So we see once in a

1:13:03

while, right, Coppitz had that good in

1:13:05

terms of production, Evan Ingram had a

1:13:07

good rookie year, you know, Sam Laporta.

1:13:09

So it's not like it never happens,

1:13:11

but the hype that usually accompanies rookie

1:13:14

tight ends in terms of translating year

1:13:16

one for fantasy, it doesn't

1:13:18

usually, more times than

1:13:20

not, it doesn't meet up to the expectations.

1:13:22

Once in a while, we get one thrown

1:13:24

in there that does or even supersedes it,

1:13:26

but that's a lot rarer and more of

1:13:29

an outlier for sure. I'll

1:13:31

be open, I mean, I'll pay attention to who

1:13:33

the quarterback is these guys land with and what

1:13:35

the depth of the chart looks like and I'll

1:13:37

be open because I was not a believer in

1:13:39

Laporta, Andy Barons would come on the show and

1:13:41

say you're gonna love him and I'd be like,

1:13:43

I don't know, grumble, grumble, grumble, you

1:13:46

know, and Dawson Nox slash Dalton

1:13:48

Kincaid, the DK combo in Buffalo,

1:13:51

you know, I feel like I was right on that, like yeah,

1:13:53

eventually I think Kincaid's gonna be a really good player, but like

1:13:55

probably not right away. So I missed on Laporta,

1:13:58

I'm open to the idea. Jatavy and

1:14:00

Sanders Land somewhere great and suddenly we're, you

1:14:03

know, singing his praises at Top 10 tight

1:14:05

end, but probably not. And otherwise

1:14:07

it's going to be a Bowers story

1:14:09

all around. And thank you

1:14:12

for indulging me on tight ends. I know

1:14:14

that's not the full rundown that you actually

1:14:16

have to offer. You can say way more

1:14:18

about way more tight ends if you're interested

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1:14:43

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1:14:45

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1:15:44

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1:15:46

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1:15:48

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1:15:50

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and I hope you enjoyed the running back.

1:16:00

and one died end from

1:16:02

Paul Perdichesi. They're all great, they all

1:16:04

do the work, and I respect their

1:16:06

opinions highly, and then we're gonna

1:16:08

find out some landing spots and then completely forget

1:16:10

everything that we learned, but hopefully not. Coming

1:16:13

up next week on the show, Andy

1:16:15

Barons is gonna come to talk about some

1:16:17

animal that's tormenting him, I assume, but in

1:16:19

addition, we're gonna do something that we started

1:16:22

last season that went over really well, which

1:16:24

is, we're gonna

1:16:26

put the show out the day of the first round

1:16:28

of the NFL Draft, so there's not a lot of

1:16:31

point in talking about the draft itself.

1:16:33

All the players will have landing spots subsequently,

1:16:35

so instead, we're gonna look back to last

1:16:37

year and redraft the skill weapons based on

1:16:40

how they performed as rookies and where we

1:16:42

would take them going forward, so

1:16:44

that should be pretty fun. Andy will rejoin

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the yacht, and until then, thanks again so

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much for listening. Your hat is awesome. You're

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awesome for wearing it. I will talk to

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you next week. The Harris Football Podcast

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opening scene is under the gun

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closing scene is Say Yes by the Wellsons.

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