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It's the Harris Football

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Podcast with your host

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Christopher Harry. Well.

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Hey everybody. Welcome in My name is

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Chris in I'm a Doofus because I start

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my show in a weird way. But you

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know, for those of you listening for the

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first time, just embrace the yelling. It's all

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fine. Thank you so much to all of

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you for listening today! Thrilled to have you

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with me. I would be doing well. We're

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in the time of the early

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off season we're making one podcast

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per week, so maybe you're not

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necessarily rushing to listen the day

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it comes out. So whether you're

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hearing my voice on Thursday, Morning.

0:48

The. Eleventh of April or May. Some time

0:50

the following weekend or the following week, Maybe

0:52

you're at the gym. Maybe. You're

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at work or you're out for

0:56

a run. Maybe you're driving around.

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the kids pillow kids. Thank.

1:00

You for making this show part

1:03

of your routine. What is going

1:05

on in the Nfl right now

1:07

is almost entirely about the draft.

1:09

It starts to scare two weeks

1:11

from tonight. It's going to be

1:13

a very fun first round with

1:16

a bunch of quarterbacks selected in

1:18

the first round. How. Many.

1:21

Will. Go in the first thirty two

1:23

picks will have some thoughts about that

1:25

throughout today's show. If you missed last

1:27

week, That's. A pretty evergreen

1:29

podcast. You can go back and

1:32

hear me talk with Met Walpin

1:34

about this wide receiver class in

1:36

the upcoming Nfl draft. Today we're

1:38

talking about quarterbacks next week it'll

1:41

be running backs with a-of tight

1:43

end. Kind of. maybe just one titan?

1:45

you know I'm talking about. And

1:47

then soon after the Nfl draft,

1:50

it'll finally be time for me

1:52

to put together initial ranks, position,

1:54

or ranks for twenty Twenty Four.

1:57

Those. Will be online at Hair So

1:59

badass! Within the first few

2:01

days of the draft and then

2:04

we'll do our traditional annual to

2:06

shows introducing my ranks with cousin

2:08

Joss. A big return the first

2:11

to Thursday's in May as we

2:13

start to have a better handle

2:15

on how these Nfl rosters are

2:18

going to look going into the

2:20

summer. Ah, we had the news

2:22

on Thursday morning that the Browns

2:25

apparently will not be cutting Nick

2:27

Chubb, but they obviously we're never

2:29

going. To pay him upwards of

2:31

fifteen million dollars the season when

2:33

he had zero gallon guaranteed dollars

2:35

left. Never. but the salary cap

2:37

simply about. We do not want

2:40

to pay these real dollars. And

2:42

so the Browns announced that they

2:44

have lowered serbs or actual money

2:46

earned this year but gave him

2:48

a chance to earn a lot

2:50

of it back and incentives which

2:52

translates to use suffered a catastrophic

2:54

knee injury and you no longer

2:56

worth as much to us. Here's

2:58

a biscuit now. go. Rehab your

3:00

knee. As. A tough business.

3:03

Let's. Play one of his songs anyway. Ah

3:07

ah ah

3:09

ah. Ah,

3:15

Ah, we learned that race you race.

3:18

Or basically doesn't yet seem to

3:20

be contesting much of what happened

3:22

in his idiotic street racing episode.

3:24

Since we recorded or show last

3:26

week, Rice released a statement saying

3:28

yup, I. Was the one who was driving.

3:31

Which. Means that he's also one of

3:33

the ones who fled the scene of

3:35

an accident, which is bad. We know

3:38

that the Nfl Gears of Justice grind

3:40

purposefully. Slowly. In

3:42

order to give the illusion that everything

3:44

is always just fine in this case,

3:46

so I don't know, move to. The.

3:49

Guys is going to admit everything eventually. probably

3:51

won't but ah, it is starting to smell

3:53

like rishi rice. My point of doing some

3:56

jail time here and not not in two

3:58

years, you know, pretty soon. But.

4:00

Of course that is speculation. Ah,

4:02

I would certainly have expected T

4:04

C. To. Be drafting receivers

4:07

in a couple a weeks anyway,

4:09

and now that seems like a

4:11

complete lock. And. Otherwise,

4:13

I don't know. Not a ton of

4:15

Nfl news beyond the silly season the

4:17

lying season for the Nfl draft, our

4:20

sick modes, dear. Just to mention a

4:22

new sports upon the Nfl media landscape.

4:24

If you been listening for a long

4:26

time and many of you have you

4:28

heard me take on. Various.

4:31

Linguistic. Tix that make me

4:33

insane. Ah, But that people

4:36

to talk about football can't help themselves

4:38

from using. Of course you're aware of

4:40

this one because of that. This is

4:42

about this is the guys. Maybe isn't

4:45

any longer at it's peak Vernacular Use

4:47

those probably read peak. You know when

4:49

the podcast started this bug, Guess like

4:51

a decade ago? it's definitely still out

4:54

there. Now here's a guy. Cris Collinsworth,

4:56

We see you. Are

4:58

there's also the quarterback position we

5:00

have. We've definitely not killed that

5:02

when yet that continues to run

5:04

rampant or he's just. One

5:06

of the best players at

5:08

that tight end position. It's

5:11

no less insane now than

5:13

it's ever been. Boy, I

5:15

sure do enjoy driving my

5:17

Chevrolet car. But. Even

5:19

just say he's one of the best

5:21

tight ends. It's clearly one of those

5:24

cases where someone uses more words because.

5:27

It makes them sound smarter or because their

5:29

brain is like filibustering in their in their

5:31

head and they're trying to figure out what

5:33

else to say. There's. Never

5:35

a reason to say why. I've never

5:37

seen someone better at the running back

5:40

position. Assists few words, fewer words are

5:42

better is good Running back, What are

5:44

you been doing here? I'll.

5:46

Always have a soft spot in my

5:48

heart for people who don't feel compelled to

5:51

call someone junior. We. Know who

5:53

they are. nobodies, confused pages that Odell

5:55

backups dad run around out there on

5:58

the field. It's like my Harrison's kid

6:00

is about to be drafted. We talked

6:02

about him last week. We don't have

6:05

to call him Marvin Harrison Junior in

6:07

most context, because Marvin Harrison Senior isn't

6:09

playing anymore. When we're talking about records

6:12

and stats, Sure, we might need a

6:14

way to distinguish otherwise. Nope, But okay.

6:16

You've heard me talk about those linguistic

6:19

tix before. Got a new one for

6:21

yeah? It is

6:23

injecting the word right. Into.

6:26

Every other sentence that you're trying to

6:28

make a point through Chris Simms Love

6:30

You mean it. Listen.

6:32

To the man speak, it's all you hear. While

6:35

he's just not the player you want leading

6:37

your team right, I was watching his tape

6:39

and they're just throws on their right. Where.

6:41

You just go what even looking at right? And

6:44

a be one thing if was it was

6:46

just one guy but it ain't. During

6:49

last season. Dearly. Departed Mack

6:51

Jones. I don't mean that he's passed

6:53

away, just his departed from my Nfl

6:55

team, which is blissful. Mack Jones over

6:57

and over again. I just couldn't not

7:00

hear it. He kept doing it in

7:02

the middle of his press conferences and

7:04

then it leaked out into other Boston

7:06

sports. Jayson Tatum does it when he

7:08

speaks to the press of all the

7:11

time. It hasn't quite spread like the

7:13

quarterback position, right? But I'm here to

7:15

nip it in the bud, right? Do.

7:18

You really need confirmation that I'm agreeing with

7:20

you in the middle of the sentence? Would

7:22

you have not yet completed For me to

7:24

know whether I agree with you? There's no

7:26

need, right? To. Interrupt herself

7:28

right? And. Question: whether listener

7:30

right. Is. In full agreement right?

7:34

I know, I know. I'm.

7:36

The worst. Today's.

7:39

Take that. Okay on today. As

7:41

I mentioned, it's time to talk

7:43

about these quarterbacks who are about

7:45

go quite high in the forthcoming

7:47

Nfl draft. And to help with

7:50

that my Body Nick Whalen from

7:52

Football Guys and The Bear With

7:54

Us podcast Nicole join He does

7:56

the work. he has watched tons

7:58

of films on all. This guy's

8:00

not just now. He watches them

8:02

for years and he will educate

8:05

my very uneducated brain right? And.

8:07

Help me understand these prospects better, right? Can

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10:13

This is the. The. Time year that the

10:15

I enjoy so it's always fun to talk

10:17

prospects with you. Yes,

10:19

you are, you are trusted resource this may

10:21

be. I can't remember which we didn't do

10:23

quarterbacks with the last year. Definitely what we

10:26

did some. Position. The last year's

10:28

Op ed so we have done quarterbacks together

10:30

at least for a while or end and

10:32

it's so funny though. We talk for a

10:34

while before I hit records and you said

10:36

you know one use of the so nice.

10:38

One thing that's great about coming on your

10:40

show is you'll have a lot of strong

10:42

opinions yet about these players maps and I

10:44

translate that because I speak I speak football

10:46

guys. I said that while been last week

10:48

us with the translation is you're an idiot

10:50

sport but a nice idiot. But

10:53

the truth is I don't as as as was

10:55

hers to my showed no I'm. I'm certainly

10:58

aware of the discourse around players, and

11:00

I'd learn as we go about. What?

11:02

Other people think, but I do not

11:04

spend the time on films to come

11:06

up with my own opinion because frankly.

11:09

Will talk about this little up top here. I didn't

11:11

with Matt because we to get so many receiver names

11:14

like. We. Have

11:16

hundreds, no, thousands of people who

11:18

are quote unquote, covering the Nfl

11:20

draft and more every year on

11:22

Twitter and you Tube and they're

11:25

looking at the exact same saying

11:27

max and somehow coming up coming

11:29

to absolutely contrary conclusions. Which to

11:31

me means that my personal life

11:33

choice of not spending the time

11:35

doing that work is probably a

11:38

good one. Yeah,

11:40

yeah, it could be a lot more

11:42

advantageous, that's for sure. Some in recent

11:44

moves, guys and me either Watson, some

11:46

from high school and freshman year of

11:48

college and so. You're. The tough

11:50

part is you tube isn't those biases and

11:52

once was the biases. There's some people can't

11:55

get off of that, you know, and it's

11:57

stuff or they be like certain teams says

11:59

on there. Or to like certain players.

12:01

or you know and I'm sure cops are

12:03

one of those of fun things within the

12:05

prospect. or other people like or hate them.

12:08

but the war cop players because of school

12:10

or the number even the damp like oh

12:12

this guy, rise we have. You know Frank

12:14

Gore is the same number freak or had

12:16

you know it's like that of it I

12:19

you. that's true, you can do that but

12:21

like I'll I'll take it on faith like

12:23

I've seen you tube videos about Drake May

12:25

where one guy is saying no you don't

12:28

understand I'm surprised this idiot couldn't tie his

12:30

shoelaces. And then another one saying he's

12:32

the best quarterback prospect in this classed and

12:34

the best one since I've been doing this

12:36

and last eight years and I trust that

12:39

those two people. Believe. Their opinions.

12:41

I just think I guess what I'm saying

12:43

is it goes to show. That.

12:46

We. Are really guessing and and projects

12:48

in probably has never been. Worse

12:50

I know the college games and pro games

12:53

are are are growing together some what because

12:55

the pro game is frankly getting more like

12:57

what we think of as the called gifts

12:59

but the level of athlete and the and

13:01

what they get asked to do and any

13:03

given college system often just flat out does

13:05

not apply at it winds up. Creating.

13:09

Chaos. In evaluation. Well

13:11

as some good. you brought this up because. With.

13:14

This class there's there's actually some some context I

13:16

think that we need to add into this and

13:18

and one of them is. And.

13:20

Will we see this with the Nfl or

13:22

it to ads tie? Rico. And

13:24

before that it was like wow he might

13:26

be a bust out on of his you

13:28

know I've are gonna develops and all the

13:30

sudden he sleeps than a villain passing yards

13:32

you know and it's like well he has

13:34

good receivers okay and then when cortex don't

13:36

have good receivers was there too bad you

13:38

know in their boss so then in or

13:40

out of line like see to build all

13:42

that I think in it's tough to have

13:44

a be neutral for everybody and like with

13:46

this glass. Cube. Looms Win the

13:48

Heisman right. And Twenty Twenty two. and

13:51

then dispatched your you lost or madison who do

13:53

well with the vikings. At. His

13:55

numbers dropped off. Drake. May. Losses.

13:57

Of the coordinator. Losses. Thompson. The

14:00

years you know, but both him and Give

14:02

up had I was a battle lines a

14:04

bottle the numbers dropped off the Gene Daniels

14:06

you know who kind of came out of

14:08

nowhere. I mean I've known him for years

14:10

but really bumped up. He's got. To.

14:12

First topic wide receivers would you talked about

14:14

while noom? I'm sure. I recently he as

14:17

a top three other the line it's like

14:19

a kiss. So how do you make these

14:21

things equal when we're all watching the same

14:23

film? When you look at all the teammates

14:26

mess with something with quarterback Is that coaching

14:28

your teammates you know, Confidence and skill development

14:30

all matter. Wonderful

14:32

point. Couldn't said it better myself. I think

14:34

that's what gets in the way and why

14:37

and why. I'm certainly not going to ask

14:39

you to be definitive here I wanted. I

14:41

want to get to. Get. A

14:43

full sense and then. I'm.

14:46

Going to take it as an article of faith that. You.

14:48

Don't know the answer Your.you know you have

14:50

your opinions but you're not sure because nobody

14:52

should be short and in the case of

14:54

a lot of things in life and as

14:56

and I would say the Nfl draft as

14:58

chief among them are the people who act

15:00

the most Sure probably the people should ask

15:02

that You should believe the least. I'm. Like.

15:06

Every year they tell us the Class escape.

15:08

Rights. Because.

15:10

That's their business. If they don't hype it up

15:12

then you won't watch the draft. So every year

15:14

the guys on he has been going to go

15:16

on and tell you that at the great the

15:18

draft as greats. Maybe it is. I have. I

15:20

have a sneaking suspicion underneath it that A might

15:23

not be, but that's kind of based on nothing

15:25

other than my natural skeptical nature. But before I

15:27

start talking about individual players, also say. This

15:30

is gonna be a lot of Nfl task,

15:32

right? It's it's It's nominally a fantasy podcast,

15:34

but and and when we talk about. Running.

15:36

Backs and receivers. You know,

15:39

that's. Front

15:41

of the hit rate on receivers in the first

15:43

from stinks to the hit run on at hit

15:45

rate and everything stinks because it's just very hard

15:47

to do this. but. There's

15:49

more. There's more one to one like

15:52

running around. In. College still is

15:54

running around in the pro like if you rent it

15:56

well you're probably gonna run a wall and quarterback it's

15:58

it's as much harder to. Nothing of quarterbacks

16:00

produce mostly when they are surrounded by good

16:02

talent and the offices or lot of points

16:05

and that's how you get fantasy points. So

16:07

this is going to be some Nsl talk

16:09

and some Nfl team talk. I'm in Nyc

16:11

as a Bears fan and I am a

16:13

Patriots fan. We got the number one of

16:15

the number three picks sitting in this podcast

16:17

right now, so there's some thought about. About

16:20

fantasies. But we're going to admit in

16:22

this conversation it's somewhat of a like

16:24

a second or third order. Conversation.

16:27

About Fantasy: were mostly probably going to be

16:29

talking about how well we think they're going

16:31

to do as players. And sure, a couple

16:33

these guys have cheat codes, have have running

16:36

abilities, but has last five years not taught

16:38

us that. Mostly, if that's all you offer,

16:40

you might be great for fantasy for one

16:43

year, even if your team doesn't win. But.

16:45

Then you turn into Color Murray and suddenly

16:47

your entire job is at risk. So if

16:49

you're thinking about Dynasty like the run only

16:51

guy might not be that great. Anyway, I

16:54

want to get those disclaimers out of the

16:56

way. There's one more thing will more part

16:58

of this conversation next and I want to

17:00

have before we ever get to these Ricky

17:02

prospects which is. You're just

17:04

in fields tape work because.

17:07

Bravely. At the beginning of last

17:09

year with Just and Fields and during a crucial

17:11

year with the Bears that. Ended.

17:14

Well. And then very badly. You

17:16

decided to break down every throw of just

17:18

and fields on you to. I watched every

17:20

video you made. There came a point where.

17:23

You. No longer we're making them, but you may

17:25

lot of them. And. To keep

17:27

I think rightly just given the. Like

17:30

cool, I'm cool politics of the situation

17:32

given. You. Know the. Like

17:35

you and I target agree that Just and Feals

17:38

doesn't stink and a lot of my some work

17:40

backs up your film work on Just Feels with

17:42

the Bears is now a nominal backup I guess

17:44

with the Steelers. I.

17:47

Think he played better than Russell Wilson

17:49

last year at can you give me

17:51

kind of an overview on on your

17:53

summation, how you came, how you have

17:55

you leave your very indepth some work

17:58

on just and from last year. Yeah.

18:01

I'm why I guess first is in

18:04

terms of my a Bears fan dumb

18:06

and maiming my dog fields. which guy?

18:08

Yeah, I read a rescue the day

18:10

after they drafted him so I I

18:12

don't live that bias but he was

18:14

kind of a sad time even though

18:16

you saw it coming in Chicago. and

18:18

ah at, you know, speaking of the

18:20

contacts, you're talking about the team. I

18:22

mean you know last year he had

18:24

a. A uninjured thumb on his

18:26

drawing and you know which affected things

18:28

to arm. It. Really stuck because

18:31

we start of the year really

18:33

slow you know and. That.

18:35

The twenty twenty two season he did the

18:38

coaching staff really call in designed off and

18:40

to utilize his athleticism running game on the

18:42

move out of the pocket and and has

18:44

been a playmaker and then they started this

18:47

past season with him been in the pocket

18:49

announced on check downs try to increase the

18:51

completion percentage is like you try to make

18:53

him into like up I Drew Brees or

18:56

in any Dalton type a guy went went

18:58

when he's not and it was. It was

19:00

really in oil and water type of office

19:02

to start the year and and then they

19:05

got crushed. By kinda silly but then it

19:07

started coming around. I know they're bad defenses

19:09

be at Washington in Denver and he saw

19:11

him good that confidence back. A just started

19:13

throwing deep down the field which is his

19:16

strength in terms of accuracy down the field

19:18

and then he hurt his stump the week

19:20

after that with Minnesota when it when he

19:22

came back. Up there are some rust

19:24

there. But. I would say you've

19:26

played some of his fastball towards into the

19:29

against Atlanta. He has hit a drop off

19:31

the last week against Green Bay, but you

19:33

can see that he was consistently improving your

19:35

throughout his career from from rookie year to

19:37

second year to the slasher and terms of

19:40

almost every metric so that there are things

19:42

that. Are still struggles with he

19:44

struggles with thrown over the mill. If he was

19:46

with confidence I'm throwing with a lot of anticipation.

19:49

Is. Pressure to sack ratio is too high

19:51

for someone that's that athletic and that

19:53

strong arm. And the one thing that kind

19:55

of bothered me is you could see some

19:58

of his confidence. Going. Down. Terms

20:00

of trusting is a line his teammates not me

20:02

mdg more and then some of himself to like.

20:04

You know when you kind of double clutch or

20:06

use sit and wait on a read a little

20:09

longer. could do not shirts and that's just something

20:11

you can't do with Nfl level of how past

20:13

defenders are. Yeah,

20:16

I mean my conclusion is that

20:18

I still think he's an Nfl

20:20

starter and I. Hinted it

20:22

right before I ask the question. like. If.

20:25

It's a real competition between him and Russell Wilson.

20:27

Night The Feel: The issue is you plan to

20:29

have to call have a different playbook to some

20:31

degree and maybe just some fields isn't. An.

20:34

Arthur Smith guy at or Know but I'm

20:36

like if it's a real competition. I

20:38

think he's the starting quarterback of the Steelers. About you? Yeah,

20:41

I do too. I mean a rust.

20:43

It's interesting because Arthur Smith often says

20:45

typically or play action like to throw

20:48

over the middle of the oaths And

20:50

that and outputs Field or Wilson do

20:52

well by her youth. Youth can only

20:54

see over the middle of your was

20:56

raw struggles with as in his confidence

20:58

is waning like I don't I. It's

21:00

of the see a Third franchise. Believing.

21:02

In him after what Denver the really

21:04

just eight in terms of a salary

21:06

and after his place just continually going

21:09

down gets his stuff the really envision

21:11

that puts you could see. Fields.

21:13

Really throwing to pickens in those contested areas

21:16

and pick and twenty like I can envision

21:18

that? I can't see that with Ross. You

21:21

know he did he what he did it

21:23

when he absolutely had to, when there was

21:25

no choice, when it was third law. whenever.

21:27

That's how Cortland sudden had all those crazy

21:29

and some catches. And nero, he said he

21:32

rescued him The city's doubles like. When.

21:34

Forced Wilson can do it. It's just a

21:36

mean I play this funny sound drop of

21:39

of Isaac Tiki Barber doing of Russell Wilson

21:41

game early last year saying wrote that he

21:43

just afraid and that's what he looked like

21:45

all last year. like the numbers look okay

21:47

but he was afraid and I think it

21:49

made it or of Sean Payton crazy. Anyway,

21:51

I don't think it's a fair competition. I

21:53

don't think just feals will start. I think.

21:56

He. knows the steelers other plans for

21:58

fields they go beyond one year

22:01

and Wilson probably is a one-year guy and

22:03

so why not see what Wilson can do

22:05

at first and see if you can settle

22:07

Fields down. But yep,

22:09

I admired the diligence that it took to do

22:12

as much Fields tape work as you did in

22:14

public. All right, so

22:16

the guy? It

22:19

was tough, especially when I stopped doing them

22:21

because those G.T.O. Sullivan's and Chase Daniels, they

22:23

always get that film like on Sunday and

22:25

I'm not that advanced in

22:27

the film world and I get out like on

22:29

Monday and I'm like, man, I'm like going over

22:31

old stuff, you know, so I got stunk. No,

22:33

but that was late in the year. So the

22:35

guy that, we'll talk about one quarterback before the

22:37

break, the guy who made

22:39

the decision moot,

22:43

I think in another circumstance where

22:45

the Bears don't have Carolina's draft

22:47

pick, I think Fields is probably still there because

22:49

I don't think he was so bad that you had to get rid of

22:51

him. But given that you had the

22:53

number one pick, given that you gave

22:55

up the number one pick last year, thank goodness,

22:57

rightly so because it didn't work out yet for

23:00

old Bryce Young, it's going to be Caleb

23:02

Williams at one, we know this. And

23:06

you know, everything I read, everything anybody tells me

23:09

that he is certainly on a

23:12

different level from

23:14

anybody else in this draft

23:16

quarterback wise. There

23:19

are some things that

23:21

people will call red flags, but just

23:23

in terms of athletic ability,

23:25

they will throw on the run, arm strength,

23:27

running himself, that he's a

23:30

different kind of cat. Yeah,

23:32

and I agree with you. I mean, Ryan

23:34

Poles in Chicago honestly made that Carolina trade

23:36

too well. It really just, it backfired on

23:38

Fields and you know, it kind of forced

23:41

their hand with this, which honestly is a

23:43

great problem for Chicago because they're going to

23:45

get better here. But

23:47

yeah, Caleb Williams, I mean, you

23:49

know, I think the first thing, there were some concerns

23:51

and because he has a lot of fumbles, it's like,

23:53

okay, so how big are his hands? And so, you

23:56

know, because we get the measurements. That's the good thing

23:58

this time of year, besides the film. I

24:00

mean, they're nine and three quarters. So it's like,

24:02

OK, they're not too small. And he wasn't six

24:05

foot or shorter. Like Bryce Young, some people were

24:07

trying to think of. He's six one and

24:09

an eighth. And he's 2-14. So

24:11

he's actually fairly thick and stronger, I

24:13

think, than people expect. And you see that when

24:15

he runs, he can break tackles. And he can

24:18

kind of maneuver within the pocket

24:20

and elude the rush. But the

24:23

best way to describe him is he's

24:25

a problem solver on offense. And I don't

24:27

know, you dealt with this probably within life,

24:29

Chris. I mean, everyone does jobs, whatever. You

24:31

have to problem solve. Because everyone's got problems.

24:34

It's like, OK, how do we get out

24:36

of this? And Caleb can beat teams that

24:38

blitz him. He can beat pass

24:40

rushers that beat the offensive linemen right

24:42

away and avoid them. He

24:44

can take advantage

24:47

of match-ups. He can throw with accuracy, both

24:49

in the pocket, on the run from weird

24:51

angles. He wins in so many ways. And

24:53

then if you win with all of that,

24:55

he can still scramble. So

24:58

it's pretty awesome in terms of having

25:00

that big of a, I

25:03

guess, toolbox that he can really solve all

25:05

of these things. You

25:07

know, makes an ether on the field. I

25:11

got some flack, actually, on Twitter. I don't think

25:13

he has the cannon, you know, the Josh Allen,

25:15

Justin Herbert cannon arm. But he's

25:17

probably in that maybe quarterback 8 to 15 range

25:22

in the NFL as a starter. It's good arm strength.

25:24

But ether was a very catchable

25:26

ball. He takes some velocity off of

25:28

it to make sure that his

25:30

receivers can catch the ball. It's in a good spot. His

25:34

accuracy, he'll be on the

25:37

move, Chris. And

25:39

he'll throw it from a weird

25:41

angle, maybe off the wrong foot. Like

25:43

when you want to throw it off the right foot, you're

25:45

like, oh, now he's got this other foot. Defender's

25:48

there. His body in a

25:50

weird position or arm angle. And he's accurate

25:52

all the time. It's

25:55

almost just crazy what he

25:57

can do with his body flexibility. And

26:00

that's probably where the Mahomes comps come from.

26:02

He doesn't have all of Mahomes' skill sets,

26:04

but that seems like that's where you see

26:07

him from Mahomes. Yeah, yeah,

26:09

no, exactly. Yeah, and that's tough because

26:11

you don't want to cop anyone to

26:13

Patrick Mahomes, because that's so great. But

26:15

it's always like a reminds me of,

26:17

you know? And

26:21

the reminds me of, for me with him,

26:24

is Aaron Rodgers. And

26:26

what he does, because I mean, there's the

26:28

accuracy, obviously, in quick release. But what

26:30

he reminds me of with Rodgers is, you

26:33

know, Aaron Rodgers in the pocket just

26:36

always just avoids and buys

26:38

time and like defensive alignment.

26:40

They're just one little bit away. And

26:43

that's how Caleb Williams is. He always just

26:45

a little bit too far away from them to sack

26:47

him, but he buys so much time. And people talk

26:49

about his time to throw is so high and, you

26:51

know, he improves and all that kind of stuff. But

26:54

he has this like superhuman like

26:56

awareness to where I mean, he does get sacked.

26:58

He does fumble the ball. I get that. But

27:00

you have to live with that to have this amazing awareness

27:02

to buy time because that's when big plays happen. And that

27:04

reminds me so much of Aaron Rodgers. So

27:07

if something could go wrong with this kid, which

27:10

he's going to be the one pick and he you

27:13

know, as you said, probably

27:16

caught more fleck than he needed to catch because of

27:18

what he was surrounded by last year at USC. Waldman

27:23

describes it as Mahomes like throws lacking

27:25

Mahomes logic. That was the title of

27:27

a video that he did. So

27:30

is the is what can go wrong here

27:32

is basically just I

27:35

mean, it seems like the floor is pretty

27:37

high. But but what could go wrong would

27:39

just be like, oh my god,

27:41

he's got Jamis Winston's eyes. You know,

27:43

he's just crazy. We don't think it's true. But that that's sort

27:45

of the worst case. Um,

27:48

yeah, I mean, he I mean, he sometimes he tries to

27:50

do too much. He tries to, you know,

27:52

be a be a Superman all the time, which he does a

27:54

lot of the time. I mean, you want him to play within

27:57

structure, you know, so he hits the back of his drop and

27:59

gets rid of the ball. Hill. I'll.

28:01

Help her down, you know in terms of base

28:03

while terms he though he wanted a single the

28:05

be tried to had a double or home run.

28:08

you know sometimes and guys are open the you

28:10

want to take the for yards. ah I'm we

28:12

buys time at least Sachs but he has achieved

28:14

cures. the father three Jeff fumbled the ball thirty

28:16

three times and god or to the mass of

28:19

about nuts he's got it. you know, term that

28:21

down so it is always. I think

28:23

it's always easier for a quarterback to be com.

28:25

You. Know played all the strength of make all

28:28

these plays and try to harness them a

28:30

little bit. More. Than having a guy

28:32

that the okay man i want to take some chances are

28:34

they're like and if the the you the have that in

28:36

you are you don't and he has that self other give

28:38

the live with. Been. The the superman

28:41

that he is and what did the negative part of

28:43

it to get? The good part. A.

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30:14

rec with Nick and were a talk about the

30:17

quarterbacks. I will. I'll ask you this question though

30:19

or my ass that have met. Your. Football

30:21

Guys rent or last week I said

30:23

i'm am I correct in saying that

30:25

the first four picks in most Fantasy

30:27

Dance you draft in some order should

30:30

be the three receivers and Caleb Williams

30:32

And and he said yes, how do

30:34

you feel. Yeah.

30:36

Not our degree as well. yeah I mean only when

30:38

you could debate is of Brock bars the tide and

30:40

is very child to to a so if you're in

30:42

tight and premium you could debate him. Thank

30:45

God I'm not doing that today. But

30:48

I don't talk and road deaths for Paul is going

30:51

to will take a dog with me next week. I'm.

30:53

Or it's let's move on. let's go to

30:55

a Jaden Daniels, the Heisman winner from this

30:58

year. Ah, And we are no longer in

31:00

the realm of consensus because there are people

31:02

who think that Islam or Jackson And I've

31:04

seen those videos of people saying islam. Are

31:07

there are people there are videos or people

31:09

say he's not even a pro. Ah, I'm.

31:11

And I wonder where are you know? Okay, so

31:14

I don't want to frame it was but to

31:16

frame it's I'm. There's. A lot

31:18

of rumors that he's going to to

31:20

the commanders that but like shifter is

31:22

kind of with that slip a little

31:24

bit and maybe shifters get really act

31:26

around but usually doesn't so we'll see.

31:29

Ah. I. Think it's defensible,

31:31

I think. basically. We're. Going to

31:33

come to the conclusion that there are basically like

31:35

maybe three or even four guys that if they

31:37

go to it was it would be defensible. They

31:39

just it would. It depends on what you do

31:41

as an Nfl team. Not

31:44

that's a great widow to frame and that's something

31:46

I think when the draft you know draft is

31:48

here and teams tic this were without player like

31:50

that the how they build our within their locker

31:53

room your what kind of guy that they want

31:55

but also like while they're play style fits with

31:57

the coaches one their scheme I think is important

31:59

and. Actually, all three these quarterbacks of

32:01

our next are all very different in

32:04

Argentina Drake Make and Judea Mccarthy. so

32:06

you know, be a me. Daniels. I'm.

32:09

Actually, A really long story because

32:11

he's You know, he's started fifty

32:13

five games in college. He

32:15

started with Arizona State and he was brain

32:17

and I Yolks quarterback as a true freshman

32:20

for he helped him be a first round

32:22

pick up a long he's been in college

32:24

and plane ah and it up and Alice

32:26

youth the last two years. He. Had

32:28

ninety plays of twenty plus yards as last

32:30

year Chris which I think a look and

32:33

see record. it says massive with his. Elite

32:35

running ability. He's. I.

32:38

Mean there are many times he was the best athlete. On

32:40

as he see fields which is crazy

32:42

from a quarterbacks perspective. I mean he

32:45

has multiple years to get away from

32:47

defenders eyes nimble. See that as a

32:49

straight line guy arm that that's his.

32:52

That's. His trump card? me he has either

32:54

Great runner and on a fantasy Guys love

32:56

that part of them. There's other parts though

32:58

that I'm gonna pull back from on that

33:00

Lamar Jackson part. In terms of positive, he

33:02

is get a quick release. He's got a

33:05

very consistent throwing motion and he has a

33:07

good base in the pocket so he has

33:09

those are are fairly reputable. I'm.

33:11

Good knowledge I think of concepts Any

33:13

progress is to his reads of fairly

33:15

well and he dislikes she. Was the

33:17

first time he's had the same opposite

33:19

of quitting or back to back years

33:21

I think you know, seen him build

33:24

and get better. The slasher part of

33:26

that would be been in the same

33:28

offense on. His generally

33:30

accurate but he actually is very good in

33:32

terms of accuracy down the field with instructor

33:34

he loves to and slot fades mean when

33:36

you have. Bryant. Armisen, Maalik

33:39

neighbors as can. easy to do that. Ah,

33:42

And then our one other thing that I

33:44

always like when you through this stuff is

33:46

ah, he was very high end in terms

33:48

of his work ethic. lucky we lived in

33:50

their facilities arm and yup everybody smells you

33:52

Said he was the hardest worker. maybe one

33:54

a harsh workers they've had a long time.

33:58

And yet the negatives. I'll get

34:00

used. Or the negatives. Clive I I

34:02

know the buzz about these guys like

34:04

lot of one reads Rose not a

34:07

lot of throws over the middle. Ah,

34:09

you know of not a lot at

34:11

a timing and patients were. You

34:13

know is if you just wait a little

34:16

longer and of in his progressions something will

34:18

come open. Buddies is hairs on fired his

34:20

gotta go Go go and. Still,

34:22

Going to be some prosthetic? be some

34:24

negative comps that you could make that

34:27

had similar characteristics in college. The

34:29

I know, I know you're in the mail mad

34:32

hear about all. The start with his his his

34:34

frame for me he has. His narrow

34:36

shoulders, kansas plate frame. It doesn't look

34:38

like he's going to add much weight,

34:40

and he weighed in at to ten

34:43

at the pro day. But. He's

34:45

played a lot of one ninety, one, ninety

34:47

five, maybe two hundred.his career and been, you

34:49

know, the six three, and I think like

34:51

five eighths, Two hundred at

34:53

that. The other tough profile to see

34:55

that been successful in the Nfl. Express

34:58

it with a running quarterback. I'm he's

35:00

tough though, but he takes hits, He

35:02

doesn't shy away from it. and and

35:04

you're like man I, I'd rather you

35:06

to slide. Ah, and that's something. I

35:08

mean. he took some major hits the

35:10

you don't want to see you correct

35:13

eighteen when pressured in the pocket. Fifty

35:15

percent of his passes or fifty percent

35:18

of pressure drop backs even lead to

35:20

a positive. The most of time he's

35:22

scrambling. Or. Is getting sacked and for

35:24

a guy that's that athletic you want

35:26

to see his his eyes not go

35:28

down to run when to see them

35:30

stay up and you know look to

35:32

kind of manipulate defenders in the pocket

35:34

right to buy time of war two

35:36

you know by time outside the pocket

35:38

get receivers open but he does it

35:40

do that consistently but like Lamar Jackson

35:42

does which I think it's one of

35:44

his trump cards armed to the sack

35:46

ratio for for a guide this athletic

35:48

like the most athletic on the field.

35:51

He gets sacked way more precious than

35:53

he should it. And in one of

35:55

the things you mentioned Russell Wilson earlier.

35:58

That's. One thing that russell. I

36:00

want Jaden to do is to back out of

36:02

the pocket. A law that I'm doing okay. The

36:04

guy's not open, he steps up and runs you

36:07

know, hopefully through to be Gap or the A

36:09

Gap. but you can't back out of the pocket.

36:11

And if you're more athletic did the ads and

36:13

indeed Eggs are going to get yourself if he

36:15

backs up as a good help him out a

36:18

little bit more. You'd. Mentioned a reads

36:20

yeah he does go through them quickly other

36:22

times where he bypasses i think the middle

36:24

the field reads a little bit more and

36:26

list or wide open and he likes rather

36:28

the hashes i me but been so like

36:30

I'm in a caught him here from the

36:32

ringer. I really respect him. yes some good

36:34

stuff he said Jean de Nos has the

36:36

fifth lowest career pass attempts. Over.

36:38

The know, a field past ten yards and other

36:40

four guys. I mean, these are guys you guys

36:42

don't want. Christian. Hackenberg: Teddy.

36:45

Bridgewater, Marcus, Marriotts and Justin

36:47

Fields. and so. Is.

36:50

The. Middle of field is where I think a

36:52

lot and itself is trending towards wix are So

36:54

with these two I safeties is the have to

36:57

take advantage of this this boy to ah and

36:59

he doesn't do that up. Some small things like

37:01

got to Kiki to prove. Some. More

37:03

pinpoint accuracy at times like throw into the

37:05

correct shoulders and leave receivers and then.the one

37:07

of the can think about in terms of

37:10

this is profile we're talked about. you know

37:12

his his sizes, He. Really jumped

37:14

up this last year when he has again I

37:16

said earlier a top three offered of line. And.

37:19

To for some pick wide receiver so it's you

37:21

know you think of okay how good his numbers

37:23

be if he had an average you know context

37:25

around him. Yes that

37:27

he goes what matters. Gonna have good receivers

37:29

that's good. That's one good thing. but right

37:31

aligned probably isn't very good. Just Sam How

37:34

probably caused many lives next himself but he

37:36

did get sacked a million times lesser. I'm

37:38

just so in. In. Cyclists are Chris.

37:40

I'm the guy that he reminds me of.

37:43

When we just talked about him recently as he's he's

37:45

just feels to me. Just. gives doesn't

37:47

throw the middle of the i mean just

37:49

and for bigger at a goal a stronger

37:51

arm ah i think genius streamlined faster by

37:54

in terms of like door into the outside

37:56

ah they get sacked more than they should

37:58

like a lot of postings i think parallels

38:00

and so you know I I

38:02

still like Justin Vioza hope he makes it and I hope

38:04

Jane Daniels makes it but if people kind of want a

38:06

guy to kind of think of I think that is who

38:08

the cops should be. Yeah

38:12

like I'll just say he's

38:15

gonna have the extra added attraction of

38:17

the cheat code of the quarterback running

38:19

yards and potential touchdowns and

38:22

so like we understand that from a fantasy perspective

38:24

we understand it and and I

38:26

don't want people managing their dynasty teams for

38:28

five years from now like I

38:31

that's just not how the NFL works it's not baseball

38:33

right so we should weigh for fantasy

38:35

we should weigh Jayden Daniels high

38:38

because he can run like that Cale boys can run too

38:40

not like Jayden Daniels it's

38:43

just realize that that can

38:45

have a pretty short shelf life in

38:48

the NFL not only

38:50

just because of injury but because if you

38:52

aren't winning games they don't really care how

38:54

many fantasy points you're getting you're gonna wind

38:56

up being not the quarterback anymore you know

38:58

so it's just worth mentioning that we are

39:00

gonna have almost no matter

39:02

where he goes Daniels has is gonna have a

39:04

higher upside to be like a sure

39:07

I'll take him as my QB too in a

39:09

league where because maybe I luck

39:11

into the rookie season where he just runs for

39:13

a thousand yards and that should

39:15

be factored into his into

39:17

his single season into his short-term dynasty

39:19

ranking it's just realized that there's a

39:21

downside to that too all right if

39:25

Jayden Daniels is polarizing Drake May

39:27

I mean I you know I've

39:32

not having Walt been on to talk about

39:34

the quarterbacks and he really does I've read

39:36

his rookie scouting portfolio he really does not

39:38

like Drake May very much and

39:40

you like him a lot and I

39:42

think probably you would say you

39:45

understand Matt's point and Matt would say

39:47

he understands your point and probably what

39:49

it comes down to is you're valuing

39:51

the raw material differently yeah

39:54

no that's fair I mean I think you

39:56

know a lot of these guys we talked about this you're

39:59

there's a range outcomes that can happen here.

40:01

And with Drake May, I'm betting a lot

40:03

on his tools and what he

40:05

can do. And I'm hoping that they'll

40:07

get sharpened and he'll be in a

40:09

good coaching staff that's just going to

40:12

continually make him better. The one thing

40:14

I do like and actually I think

40:16

is interesting with this specific quarterback class.

40:19

Drake May is 21 years old, he turns 22 in

40:21

August. And within this quarterback class, there's

40:24

a pretty big divide here between you

40:26

got like the young prospects, then

40:28

you got the old prospects. So like COVID

40:30

kids, oh go ahead, I'm sorry. No,

40:33

just the COVID kids, the old ones,

40:35

right? Oh yeah, exactly. They got extra

40:37

years. So like Caleb, he's 22, I

40:39

think he turns 23 in November. He's

40:41

more towards the younger side. May's 21

40:43

right now. And J.J. McCarthy turned 21, I think

40:46

in February. But then you have the old guard,

40:48

which we have Michael Pemmicks Jr. He's 24 already.

40:50

Bo Nix is 24 already. Spencer

40:52

Rattler turns 24 in September.

40:55

Jane Daniels turned 23, I think

40:57

in December. So when

41:00

you think of, okay, how much can these

41:02

players develop and are they a finished product

41:04

in terms of, I mean, you could say

41:06

even body and mass and strength, but also

41:08

in terms of skill development, I

41:10

would lean towards these young guys have a

41:13

lot more, you think, projection to their game.

41:15

And these older guys are more of a

41:17

finished product just in terms of being able

41:19

to develop over one or two extra years.

41:22

Right. And so your point on

41:24

the skepticism that people have with Drake May

41:27

is, yeah, man, if he's

41:29

exactly in the NFL, what

41:33

he is in college this past year, you're

41:35

right. He's probably not a Josh Allen. He's

41:37

probably not the, you know, he's not gonna, he's

41:40

not gonna harness the

41:42

incredible arm, the pretty

41:44

decent speed for his size, the athletic tools.

41:46

He's going to be, you know, one great

41:48

throw and then three ones that make you

41:51

scratch your head, which is a lot of

41:53

what he was this year with a bad

41:55

cast around him, relatively speaking at Carolina. But

41:57

your point, the reason why you're optimistic on

41:59

him. is that he's young and you

42:01

think that the things that are lacking theoretically

42:04

and you've seen it been done he can he

42:06

can be coached up. Yeah

42:08

exactly and plus I loved his 2022

42:10

film and that's when he had his

42:13

OC that didn't just leave and

42:15

a better he had Josh Downs he had a better group

42:17

around him. I mean he has he has

42:19

ideal quarterback size I mean he's 6'4", 3 quarters he's

42:21

233. I describe his game as he's

42:26

a big game hunter. He's

42:28

looking to take you know the

42:30

best deer or whatever you want in terms of

42:32

your game and it's deep shots down the

42:35

field. He likes to take them early and often he's

42:37

looking to make big plays and he

42:39

has very good deep ball accuracy he's got

42:41

the arm to do it he's got the

42:43

velocity to do it and so when you

42:45

have aggressiveness you're going to make big plays and

42:47

it's going to make defenses I think nervous and

42:49

keep them backed up and it's going to let

42:52

the underneath stuff I think really open up so

42:54

in terms of Dan Afel he

42:56

can take velocity off his passes which I like so he has

42:58

that in his toolkit to get those for

43:01

sure completions. I think for his size he

43:03

has a quick release he's actually a

43:05

really good athlete. His

43:08

family I'm not are you familiar with his

43:10

family Chris? I mean

43:12

I know that his dad is a huge dude because

43:14

like when people were meeting Drake

43:17

they were also meeting the dad and they were both they

43:19

were looking up at both of them. Yeah

43:22

so he has a super athletic family

43:24

I'll go through it quickly here but I think

43:26

I just think it's of note so his dad

43:29

was a quarterback at North Carolina as well and

43:31

played a little bit in the NFL. His

43:33

mom was an all-state basketball player one

43:36

of his brothers won a national championship in

43:40

2017 with North Carolina playing the basketball team. Another

43:43

brother won a national championship in

43:45

baseball at Florida and then

43:47

yet another brother played basketball at North

43:49

Carolina. So you have this super athletic

43:51

family and I mean I'm sure Zach

43:54

Wilson's I'm sure Zach Wilson's family's very

43:56

athletic too I don't know that I really

44:00

I mean, that's the question, right?

44:02

The question is if you have

44:04

if if the patriots are taking

44:06

direct may it's three, Which seems

44:08

like it's possible. The question is.

44:11

Ah, You know you're probably not going to

44:13

be whoever. Sigma Three probably not gonna be surrounding

44:15

him with that much more talent. And he had

44:17

Carolyn at least relative to you. Know that that

44:19

level of the At at the Nfl? like if

44:21

it's the Patriots, They have nothing right in the

44:23

first letter of who would whip the Giants? They

44:25

don't have that much right Smith Who trade offs

44:27

So like. The. Question is. Can.

44:30

You said, I'm for as long as it

44:32

takes to teach him or direct. I'm like

44:34

the just wrecked that. I mean it'll it'll

44:37

be a forever. Questions about whether Zach was

44:39

an ever would have been good, but certainly

44:41

he didn't He was given as little chance

44:43

as possible by being thrown into playing on

44:45

a bad team and in over. I think

44:47

we think that was never going to be

44:49

players. The history of guys who sit multiple

44:52

years is actually really really good. You know

44:54

Jordan loves Scott adding to that legacy and

44:56

it's. It's. Hard for me, that

44:58

is hard for anyone. Know what the plan

45:00

is for playing time. Friedrich Main your one

45:02

spotlight. Is. Is your instinct

45:04

that the gap between where he is

45:06

and where he needs to be because

45:08

what's lacking is clear? I mean, what

45:10

people said, I don't. This is all

45:12

second hand. spotlight. He. The ball

45:15

placement you know actor present. it plunges okay

45:17

but placement is great so is on somebody

45:19

hipper you know not quite a quite. rights

45:21

for or can be an absolute mess and

45:23

like. Just. Kind of lapses and

45:25

froze where he from do too much.

45:27

There's a gap between where he is

45:30

and where he needs to be and.

45:32

If that gap is significant and us

45:35

than than. He can't be coached

45:37

quickly enough for him to have a good enough

45:39

early start to his career. Like how worried are

45:41

you about that? Yet.

45:43

I I I think that's valid. I mean

45:45

cause there's there's certainly you know you time

45:47

I put work in Pino Slide under pressure

45:49

and you know decision make new. They're certainly

45:51

thinks he can improve on. Ah, I'm. And.

45:54

You see, the. You. Know, play

45:56

your one. Josh Allen was now

45:58

on around him right? And and

46:00

i didn't like very was wouldn't let me through

46:02

than i was like that's that's of early similar

46:04

player here and then he also have the ones

46:06

that use and way to me i think it's.

46:09

Really, I would really depend on the team in the staff

46:12

out after. Trust them I'm a I would. I would be

46:14

fine if he sat. You. Know. Even.

46:16

For games as I could be advantageous for him

46:18

to stick is used to because he is twenty

46:20

one right now our games have a four years

46:22

it's a pity tiresome. I don't want him to

46:24

play like if it's like if I don't know

46:26

if I wanted to draft him I don't know

46:28

what are known us about it like a I

46:30

can see a path forward for. All.

46:32

These kids frankly most anyone we've talked

46:34

about certain as your path for bell

46:36

seats were the disaster is for both

46:39

Daniels and mates and like. Cool.

46:41

You surgical preset colds play him as

46:43

I wanted to sit. There

46:46

is what by within two years I kind of

46:48

of them high and and low and kind of

46:50

com for hims who is low and I think

46:52

is. I. Jay Cutler. To.

46:55

Be Bill Carson Wentz of big guy

46:57

with a big arm that athletic and

46:59

maybe the district Me chances and it

47:01

doesn't really work out of as positive

47:03

as a should neither. Think is that

47:05

just the harbor Josh Allen type of

47:07

player and he knows it. Alarm you

47:09

to know that Waldman top end is

47:11

Carson Wentz and event that is up

47:13

bottom and is Jake Locker. Yeah,

47:17

yeah I'd the I just I know he's not not

47:19

a fan i his eyes. The Keys is far from

47:21

finished product right now and. Your. His is

47:23

competitive nature. I really love he hit of

47:25

protections that North Carolina as well For a

47:27

young guy ah I'm a stay through some

47:30

other platforms. Skis is actually a lot of

47:32

I think the playmaking stuff that Caleb kind

47:34

of has in a very different bodies so

47:36

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47:38

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47:40

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47:42

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49:00

Okay, we're back with it and we're

49:02

having a phone conversation about the quarterbacks

49:04

in this upcoming Nfl draft and I'm

49:06

a sink. Until recently we thought that

49:08

for three guys we've talked about at

49:10

this point and depths, we're going to

49:12

definitely be the top three. And it

49:14

is the silly season. It is the

49:17

lying season and I I kind of

49:19

I'm skeptical that sturgeon course he's going

49:21

any higher than than for. But maybe

49:23

the Patriots really are. They want a

49:25

winner and they one Mack Jones again

49:27

I guess I don't have. Ah, hopefully

49:29

you. Think to your Mccarthy's not quite

49:32

match Jones by dumb. he's young,

49:34

and the case for him is

49:36

sure he had limited moments where

49:38

he's really love to sign as

49:40

a quarterback, but he kind of

49:42

did. And the Robert Healer raw

49:44

materials are such that. When. Given

49:46

more of an opportunity. He'll be

49:48

able to perform oh like you say the and

49:50

the Alabama game which I did watch you know

49:52

he needs need is drives and Kimmel for the

49:54

drive with a couple of really good throws. smog.

49:57

The downside though? his matches.

50:00

It just got the right right.

50:03

Yeah. So these can actually do pretty

50:05

interesting stories before I even get

50:07

into the his plane stuff. so

50:09

I'm one his toughness of he

50:11

was a hockey player. And.

50:14

Ah, this the game before

50:16

state football. His sophomore year

50:18

he fractured his throwing dumb.

50:21

And the doctor said, you know

50:23

to shut down to get surgery,

50:25

cetera. He ignored that. He played.

50:28

One and then had the surgery on Monday.

50:30

Sounds like. Dang. Okay,

50:32

that that's that's certainly something telling you that.

50:35

The Intangibles, which is what we hear about a lot

50:37

right now. He had out and the other one is.

50:39

He. Grew up or house these him for

50:42

football. And. Wanted to go

50:44

there. And he was misled and

50:46

this is his side. A story from by

50:48

Ryan Day, the head coach that. He

50:50

or he said the work and recruiter quarterback and

50:52

them now long later they side com a court

50:54

and that's when Mccarthy than shows Michigan and he

50:57

says i used to love them in terms of

50:59

Ohio State and now want to kill them in

51:01

and out as we know he was twenty seven

51:03

one is a starter michigan him and you know

51:05

against Ohio State has got to the to bird

51:07

is definitely or the whole same days deafening all

51:10

of them. There as a cynical but

51:12

I'm he's you know I mean he's a

51:14

above average arm strength and tallies go out

51:16

that the baseline qualities you really want a

51:19

starter me is good base in the pocket.

51:21

he moves well the by a little bit

51:23

a time but keeps his eyes up either

51:25

with pressure to to get rid of the

51:28

ball it was of the mill. The fields

51:30

you're looking at these you know Westcott are

51:32

these I'm Shanahan hats off and says where

51:35

they you know think Jimmy Jimmy grapple a

51:37

block party that they throw of the mill

51:39

feel a lot Kirk Cousins are he throws.

51:41

he drives the ball well with accuracy so

51:44

wasn't velocity some anticipation. there was tight windows.

51:46

He throws it and structure. Are

51:48

pretty well. Our. And it is a

51:50

better athlete. The people kind of think I'll pick his

51:53

you're crazy high energy daniels but he's is better the

51:55

to kind of think so and I want the i

51:57

like to in terms of his. Temperament

51:59

is. The at the moment never seem too

52:01

big for him to step in. this twenty one

52:03

year old guy all these big games and I

52:06

thought that that though I've see you quality. What

52:08

was your quarterback? yeah I mean but it's easy

52:10

when you have two years ago. best offensive line

52:12

less your top of top five off it's of

52:14

line. great defense, great talent. you know like best

52:17

coach on the field. may be like there's a.

52:20

There's. A reason I go to Make Jones

52:22

when I think of Dj Mccarthy because I

52:24

was I was live on you tube. That

52:26

was during the covered year watching with with

52:28

thousands of my best friends who are now

52:30

listen to the spot test and they saw

52:33

my face sink into my chest when the

52:35

Patriots took Ah Mack Jones and that's the

52:37

middle of the first round not not the

52:39

three back. I'm. Ears

52:41

the thing like it's funny people.

52:44

People have described Gg Mccarthy as

52:46

the safe pick. And

52:49

I actually think that's absolutely wrong I ever

52:51

seen what they mean because you feel like

52:53

the floor is kind a high stat. He's

52:55

got a good had editors shoulders that he's

52:57

athletically at least pretty good studies for our

52:59

as a throw or at least pretty good

53:01

that he smart all that stuff's if you

53:03

pass on Drake, may you pass on somebody

53:05

with a big arm? Be pass on some

53:07

me with elite talent. For somebody like Mccarthy

53:09

that gets you fired, it's a lot easier

53:11

to look that three years later and say

53:13

hey man everybody thought Drake may had a

53:15

big arm and was in a we need

53:17

to take. That shot didn't work out. But

53:20

like you know you don't You don't want

53:22

to be the former Bears administration that. Past

53:24

that, took Metrobus geek the pass on petrol

53:26

bombs. You know, like that There's a chance

53:28

that if you take shape, judge him Mccarthy

53:30

real early, that that's exactly what you do.

53:34

Ya know? and I get that I'm He says

53:36

his his high and is probably like I'm. A

53:39

be like a Kirk Cousins that athletic are like

53:41

a Jared Goff like because he doesn't have the

53:43

the kinda for the harm like your same by

53:45

think also think the Nfl now does to I

53:47

safeties. that that the big

53:49

arm isn't as necessary as the anticipation

53:52

accuracy place in the more understanding things

53:54

and that's why you see persian gulf

53:56

and cousins and dumb excel when some

53:58

the big arms or selling. So I

54:01

like him quite a bit. I mean there's other things he

54:03

needs to get better at, laring the football and consistently

54:06

with some throws. Because he has a

54:08

small sample size, y'all. I mean like

54:10

you think of like Michael Penix, he

54:12

has almost 1700 past attempts in college.

54:17

J.D. McCarthy is 713. It's such a small number

54:19

comparatively. And so we just have really like an

54:25

incomplete evaluation on

54:28

him. We can only evaluate what we can see.

54:30

So really there is some projecting like you're saying

54:32

here, Chris. So it could go either way. But

54:35

you see the small little things and you're hoping it could be

54:37

something big but also could be nothing too. Right.

54:39

Yeah. And I think bringing up

54:41

the Purdy use case is a good one

54:43

to counter the Mack Jones use

54:45

case. Because maybe Mack Jones goes to a

54:47

different team. Maybe we're singing a completely different

54:49

story about Mack Jones. Like I kind of

54:51

don't think so. I kind of think when

54:53

things went wrong there he kind of showed

54:56

his true colors and his teammates

54:58

didn't like him very much by the end.

55:00

Whereas clearly Purdy is exactly the opposite. But

55:02

still landing on an incredibly talented

55:05

like if McCarthy to Minnesota has

55:07

real steam, somehow the Vikings do package those two

55:09

lower round picks, lower first round picks, one of

55:11

which they acquired via trade and they trade up

55:13

and they get Mack. Oh it's a better team

55:16

than the other teams that are in the top five clearly. I mean

55:18

Kirk Cousins doesn't get hurt last year. That's

55:20

a playoff team and maybe a good playoff

55:22

team. Maybe they make a little noise. So

55:25

suddenly we'd be talking about J.G. McCarthy a

55:27

little bit differently. You

55:29

also made a really good point about two high

55:32

safeties and that maybe the

55:34

laser rocket arm isn't, although it helps my

55:36

homes, it helps Josh Allen. It certainly gets

55:38

you out of trouble sometimes. I'll

55:40

just also say like let's not plan a guy's

55:42

career around what defenses are going to be doing

55:44

in five years because five years ago it was

55:46

all single high safety, two high safety and he

55:48

was done. So if

55:51

we go back to those days then suddenly having McCarthy doesn't

55:53

sound quite as spectacular.

55:57

How about Michael Panix? You mentioned the

55:59

Washington kid. It's

56:02

so funny that suddenly being old and experienced

56:04

is like a – is it people who

56:06

are doing modeling? Waldman said this last week

56:08

on the show too. Suddenly

56:11

that's a huge negative, having all that experience and

56:14

being wise and beyond your years. I

56:16

think that's a really great thing. I'd love to

56:18

draft a 24-year-old. Is

56:20

Michael Panek's the best pure thrower in the draft because

56:22

that's what I hear a lot? I

56:26

don't think he is. A

56:28

lot of things have to go right for him to

56:30

be the best pure thrower at times. He

56:35

just looks different. I mean part of it is he's left-handed. But

56:38

there's also some things that I'm glad the testing kind

56:40

of fielded out here. He has 10.5%

56:42

chance, Chris, and that is 95th percentile. He's

56:47

got 91st percentile arm

56:49

length for quarterback. You kind of

56:51

see this big arm always moving. I'm like, man, okay.

56:54

Now I get it because he's got this long arm and

56:56

his big hands. But he's

56:59

got some resiliency. You want to talk about, just like first off, he

57:01

tore his ACL in 2018, tore an ACL

57:04

in 2019, injured

57:08

both shoulders, and still ends

57:10

up in Washington. Now he's still a draft prospect.

57:13

That's tough for someone to bounce back from

57:15

all that. I know the

57:17

injuries are going to be a negative and people are going to

57:19

talk about that. But also you have to count on the kid

57:21

for not quitting and for sticking in

57:23

it. Also, like, okay,

57:27

so he tears his ACL again. They

57:29

fix those. He's living walking proof

57:31

that they fix those. I just don't think

57:33

injury concerns should really be a reason

57:35

that you're worried about it. At least not

57:38

legs. Maybe shoulder. If your

57:40

shoulder is completely in reconstruction

57:42

or something, yeah, I find that to be – you're not making

57:45

the case. But the people who make that case, I find that

57:47

to be sort of an unconvincing reason to stay away from PennX.

57:50

Yeah, in his pro day, he ran like a

57:52

4-4-6 or something. What's

57:54

interesting is he doesn't run. eight

58:00

rushing yards in 2023, 15 starts, and he's that athletic.

58:05

That's his biggest negative. I mean, he struggles

58:07

when he needs a good

58:10

pocket to operate. He had a good old line at

58:12

Washington. And when things

58:14

weren't on time, when he had some

58:16

pressure or the first free wasn't there,

58:19

that's when things kind of fell apart

58:21

for him because he's not creative. He

58:23

doesn't really, he's not consistent when throwing

58:26

from a different platform. But when it is there, like

58:28

you're saying, he does throw. He throws to

58:30

all areas of the field. He's aggressive.

58:32

He'll throw 50-50 balls. It helps when you

58:35

have like Roma Dunze and Jalen Polk and

58:37

all them. And he

58:39

gets rid of, he doesn't get sacked often. So those are

58:41

the things like, hey, that's good. But then when, you know,

58:43

we just talked about what the NFL is. The

58:45

other part of the NFL right now is you got to be able

58:47

to move. You got to be able to run, get a first down

58:49

because there's less guys in the box. And

58:52

he doesn't do that part of it. So it's

58:54

really an interesting, Michael Panek's Jr. is going

58:56

to be interesting in terms of what NFL

58:58

think of him because if they

59:00

invest, you know, let's say the Raiders invest the 13th

59:02

pick in him. Okay, then they think they can build

59:04

around this pocket passer. Think of like a two,

59:07

you know, like not going to run a whole lot type of

59:09

a guy. Or if he slides

59:11

and it's round three, it's like, okay, you do

59:13

need to run to succeed as a quarterback in

59:15

this NFL. What

59:18

do you think of the war and moon

59:20

comparison that Waldman is trotting out there? Well,

59:22

Waldman has panics as his QB two. He

59:26

says he's better than Drake may a lot better.

59:28

He says he's better than Jane Daniels better than

59:30

JJ McCarthy. Again, I'm not

59:32

really trying to pit these two. It's

59:34

like we understand where these respective evaluations come from.

59:37

You're concerned and frankly, anybody who

59:39

watched the final against Michigan would

59:41

be concerned that when he

59:43

faces NFL concepts in a defense that are trying

59:45

to trick him that he'll make mistakes

59:47

and he sure made mistakes in that game. But

59:50

the upside is the semi final game against Texas

59:52

where they look like the number one

59:54

pick in the draft, frankly. But like,

59:56

where do you think like war and moon

59:59

different, different NFL. shore very statuesque player

1:00:01

massive arm would stand in there and

1:00:03

take hits and built a Hall of

1:00:05

Fame career. Yeah

1:00:07

yeah that's an interesting cop. My comp room is

1:00:09

Byron left which so again kind of a big

1:00:11

guy with a bigger arm doesn't

1:00:14

run a lot needs a lot of room to operate. I just

1:00:16

think PennX is a lot

1:00:19

more inconsistent than Moonwoz doesn't have the

1:00:21

same level of armor strength Moon had

1:00:23

a cannon and you

1:00:25

mentioned this I mean Michigan brought simulated

1:00:27

pressures in the national championship game and

1:00:30

PennX didn't have an answer. I mean his his

1:00:32

eyes were all over the place he wasn't consistent

1:00:34

you didn't see the same confident guy and the

1:00:36

NFL Chris that's what they run like like you

1:00:38

talked about Minnesota they ran so many simulated pressures

1:00:41

and it's kind of like the new thing in

1:00:43

the NFL and if you have a you know

1:00:45

basically a blueprint of how to beat him already he's

1:00:48

got to find an answer for that quicker he's not

1:00:50

gonna have an NFL career. It's

1:00:52

a fair point I feel like I'm a little more

1:00:54

on the side of the PennX eval than I am Waldman

1:00:56

but we'll see and then the sixth

1:00:59

guy and and at this point it feels

1:01:01

like he will be the sixth guy drafted

1:01:03

but maybe not is Bonyx who

1:01:05

it's pretty crazy given his career at Auburn that

1:01:07

we would be at Jaden Daniels at Arizona State

1:01:09

and Bonyx at Auburn that we would be talking

1:01:11

about them as first round picks I mean I

1:01:14

think they're going in the first round. Daniel is

1:01:16

probably going top five and I think Bonyx is

1:01:18

gonna get taken probably in the top half of

1:01:20

the first round. He

1:01:22

goes to Oregon it's a very quarterback friendly

1:01:24

situation it's a lot of that one read

1:01:27

stuff and not asking the

1:01:29

quarterback asking the quarterback to be very accurate but not

1:01:31

asking him to think that much what's

1:01:33

your overall take? Yeah

1:01:35

I didn't expect to like him as much because

1:01:38

I mean I remember him at Auburn like you

1:01:40

were saying like oh man this guy just can't

1:01:42

put it together and you know he's 24 you

1:01:44

know he's one of the older guys but there's

1:01:46

a lot to like to his game and there's

1:01:48

a lot that's not a complete picture

1:01:50

and and he has the most

1:01:52

career starts in NCAA history at 61 you're like

1:01:54

man I want I wish there's more development of

1:01:56

his game but you know we as

1:01:59

we just talked about he's had athletic. He's

1:02:01

got, you know, so then if it wants that

1:02:03

right now, he's got good size 6'2", 2'14", he's

1:02:05

got 10 and 10 and eighth inch hands, got

1:02:07

huge hands too. Generally

1:02:10

accurate, quick release, you know, he's got

1:02:12

solid arm strength and you put all

1:02:14

those things together, it's like, you

1:02:17

have a guy that any limits

1:02:19

turnovers, I mean he had 26

1:02:21

career interceptions on 1,936 attempts,

1:02:24

like he doesn't try to

1:02:26

turn the ball over and those are things

1:02:29

that NFL's looking for but then you look at the flip

1:02:31

side and he's very conservative,

1:02:33

his ADOT is very short, they do a lot

1:02:35

of screens, you know, he can

1:02:38

get a little inconsistent with his feet, with,

1:02:40

and now these in accuracy, his eyes at

1:02:42

times too, if they kind of speed up

1:02:44

with his processing. So you see the

1:02:46

good and the bad and you want some development but

1:02:48

I just wonder how much is going to get there. I

1:02:51

do like Knicks, I don't have him top half of the

1:02:53

first round, I probably have him in the top half of

1:02:56

round two, maybe the very end of round one and

1:02:59

I think I like him more than PEDEX. Okay,

1:03:01

I mean it's, they're all going on the first round just

1:03:04

because it's that position, right? And to

1:03:06

some extent I don't begrudge it, it just

1:03:08

gets treated differently and if you need one

1:03:11

you have to take one, like, especially

1:03:13

when you're really way up high but there

1:03:15

are some middle teams that, middle

1:03:17

of the first round teams, like you said the Raiders are gonna, I think

1:03:19

gonna take one and Minnesota is gonna clearly

1:03:21

wind up with one and yeah.

1:03:25

Denver too was never gonna do. Sure,

1:03:27

I mean I think they called and

1:03:29

I'm weighing offers, it's possible that I'll

1:03:32

be under center. So here's my question,

1:03:39

the thing that Brock Purdy did

1:03:41

for the world, for good or for bad,

1:03:44

is you

1:03:48

know, I guess clearly you

1:03:50

know, changed some biases about where you're drafted

1:03:52

but I'm less concerned about that. Brock

1:03:54

Purdy probably isn't as good athlete as any of

1:03:56

the six guys we have talked about so far.

1:04:00

might be you know verging on close to someone like

1:04:02

bonyx i guess maybe but i don't think so properly

1:04:04

and that's not armsizing or

1:04:06

his arms just isn't that strong he's

1:04:08

crazy he's got super pinpoint accuracy and

1:04:11

he can read it and he came into the league

1:04:13

being able to read it and to me the big

1:04:15

takeaway from brock perdy is that maybe it's a it's

1:04:17

a once in a every so often kind of thing

1:04:20

is there a quarterback among the six that

1:04:22

we've talked about or someone else who

1:04:25

just based on your film study you can't

1:04:27

know for sure cuz nobody knew about brock

1:04:30

perdy for sure but you suspect has the

1:04:32

processing ability to to

1:04:34

outperform what we currently think of him boy

1:04:36

perdy did i

1:04:39

think that's jesus mccarthy i think he's

1:04:41

probably the best in terms of upstairs

1:04:43

in terms of of

1:04:45

reading things understanding things thrown

1:04:48

with anticipation on time

1:04:51

uh... and and being calm like

1:04:53

coming brock perdy was in a lot of situations

1:04:55

and he'd nothing seem too big for himself in

1:04:57

terms of that mental makeup uh... mccarthy be my

1:05:00

choice at all maybe

1:05:02

i won't feel so bad that if my don't even take

1:05:05

some three uh... there's pretty pretty much

1:05:07

a chance so we we talked about the six

1:05:09

guys who i'm gonna just project predict all going

1:05:11

the first round after

1:05:13

that i don't i feel like you

1:05:16

know this is not only a fantasy podcast and we

1:05:19

don't need to be worrying too much about who's drafted to

1:05:21

be a backup in houston or whatever among

1:05:23

other names and you've mentioned some of them

1:05:26

any any favorites first of

1:05:28

all i should just say i don't know what your

1:05:30

ranks are are the six guys that we listed

1:05:33

it are those your first sex on your quarterback board

1:05:35

for the draft yeah yeah they

1:05:37

are not the same order we have those are my

1:05:40

right six right and so is

1:05:42

there anybody that it would be

1:05:44

a crime if we didn't talk about before you checked out

1:05:46

here uh... i

1:05:48

got a guy lower my list that i

1:05:50

like more i think then than most uh...

1:05:53

i'd like to order travis from florida's day uh...

1:05:56

he's he's a little smaller slider frame

1:05:58

i mean you can probably put

1:06:00

him kind of like a Bryce

1:06:02

Young light or a Tyrod Taylor. He broke

1:06:05

his leg in November.

1:06:07

Before that he had 17 straight

1:06:09

wins at Florida State. He's first

1:06:12

in their history in terms of total offense.

1:06:14

He's a good athlete. He's crafty. He manipulates

1:06:16

the pocket to buy time. He keeps

1:06:19

his eyes downfield, you know, to make

1:06:21

plays. He

1:06:23

throws against blind defenders, which you need

1:06:25

to do kind of up the seams.

1:06:27

Quick release. He doesn't have

1:06:29

a big-time arm. You know, he doesn't drive the

1:06:31

ball a lot. He puts some loft on it.

1:06:33

So that's his holdup. He doesn't have the cannon

1:06:35

arm. But in terms of if you want, you

1:06:37

know, a backup with some maybe potential starting, you

1:06:39

know, especially a fantasy, a guy that can run

1:06:41

the ball. I mean Jordan Travis is a guy

1:06:44

that I trust and he'll run the ball too.

1:06:46

He'll get some of those tough yards. He's not

1:06:48

afraid of contact despite being 200 pounds.

1:06:50

So he's a guy I think that is a

1:06:52

little bit lower on some boards that I'm seeing

1:06:55

that I think has a chance. And

1:06:57

like you say, you know, if he doesn't break

1:07:00

his leg, they're in the National Summer Final. And

1:07:02

who knows what his draft stock does

1:07:04

from there. Maybe they lose, but like maybe they

1:07:07

win, right? And suddenly he could be

1:07:09

considered a first-rounder too. He's on the smaller side it

1:07:11

does seem, but I'd be lying if I said I

1:07:13

knew that much about his game. Who's

1:07:17

the Tennessee kid with the giant arm? Joe

1:07:20

Milton. Yeah. I mean it's

1:07:23

funny like people are like, why

1:07:26

not? Why wouldn't you take him? It's like well from

1:07:28

what I understand everything but the arm is not so

1:07:30

good. Yeah, I mean he's,

1:07:33

you know, it's funny as I saw, I can't

1:07:35

remember who was Steve Palazzano from PFF. He had

1:07:38

a video I think he brought up.

1:07:40

Do you remember Kyle Bowler? Remember him?

1:07:42

Baltimore. Remember he had the, he kneeled

1:07:44

down at the 50 and he threw

1:07:46

it through the uprights and it was

1:07:48

like the biggest deal, you know? That

1:07:50

reminds me of Joe Milton. Like you

1:07:52

can throw it a mile, but everything

1:07:54

else about being a quarterback, you know,

1:07:56

in terms of timing, anticipation, accuracy, your

1:07:58

footwork, consistency, all that stuff. stuff just

1:08:00

isn't there, you know, and you

1:08:02

could bet on the big arm, you know, I mean

1:08:04

for long term, I mean he needs a lot of

1:08:06

development. Right, but he'll go somewhere in the

1:08:08

draft where he doesn't need to play for three years

1:08:11

and then you'll see. You'll see if you totally retaught

1:08:13

him everything. I mean I'm kind of

1:08:15

into that. I have to say like from an NFL

1:08:17

perspective, like cool, he's not gonna expect

1:08:19

to start. He's not gonna have any entitlement. He just

1:08:21

comes in and is the third quarterback and we'll see.

1:08:23

How about Spencer Rattler? I mean

1:08:26

I'm old enough to remember when he was supposed

1:08:28

to win the Heisman at Oklahoma and that's been

1:08:30

a long long time. He's another old guy and

1:08:32

he had a good year here at

1:08:34

the end. I hear the

1:08:36

Baker Mayfield comp a lot. Yeah,

1:08:39

that's actually my comp for

1:08:41

him is think 2021 to 2022 Baker

1:08:44

Mayfield when everything wasn't great. And

1:08:47

part of why I think he's kind of

1:08:49

Baker Mayfield is he's

1:08:51

a willing scrambler. This might be in a below average athlete,

1:08:54

which I think is what Baker is. Like he'll take off

1:08:56

and like man those guys are gonna catch you and he

1:08:58

does it. But he's got

1:09:01

an NFL starter arm. Like that's what you're

1:09:03

looking for. Smooth release, good velocity, he can

1:09:05

fit in the tight windows, he's aggressive at

1:09:07

times. But when

1:09:09

he throws, a lot of times he throws off his back

1:09:11

foot. His footwork isn't good. That makes things inconsistent and balls

1:09:14

hang and they don't have as much on him and he

1:09:16

gets interceptions. There's

1:09:19

some, you know, how does

1:09:21

he do with pressure in general? But then there's some

1:09:23

character and leadership stuff, you know, dating back from his

1:09:25

high school days to early in Oklahoma that, you know,

1:09:27

I don't know all the stuff on just things I've

1:09:29

heard that it makes you wonder. But

1:09:32

he's also small, Chris. I mean, he's six foot and

1:09:34

a quarter to 11 and he ran a 495. I

1:09:36

mean, that's at 24 years old. So like that's what's

1:09:41

not gonna get a whole lot better. So

1:09:43

I mean, could he with his arm,

1:09:45

you know, fill in and you know, drew a

1:09:47

locker game for a win? Sure. I'm just not

1:09:49

sure he's gonna be a consistent starter until he

1:09:51

gets his his footwork and has a good line

1:09:53

in front of him. So

1:09:56

I'll just wrap it up mentioning briefly a couple

1:09:58

of kids who didn't play at. The big

1:10:00

schools. I

1:10:04

guess I'll do awesome read first like. Hard

1:10:07

to hard to know any. I mean you're

1:10:09

having to really be projecting tools because just

1:10:11

competition level isn't close. The. Out wide

1:10:13

the what it was a Kentucky which is my

1:10:15

lumber I coached in your size. Of

1:10:17

this I'd I was amazed as I'm sorry

1:10:20

that mattered I've awesome laser. Jet.

1:10:22

And job number one pick up as

1:10:24

I think he added he likes kind

1:10:26

of obstacles a physical gifts to be

1:10:28

starter that he's probably backup level. Arm.

1:10:31

If we if we keep go down the list or some

1:10:33

other guys are I don't mind I can mentioned ah. Michael.

1:10:36

Pratt. Ah, My by I liked him and

1:10:38

he is. He's up. A tough. Kid,

1:10:40

I saw him lose Oklahoma by five

1:10:42

as a sophomore. And. Man he

1:10:44

got hit a tom but kept coming back and

1:10:47

try to win that game. He's. Does.

1:10:49

Have the great arm. Ah but general Accuracy

1:10:51

knows where to go into space somewhere. She

1:10:53

has some of the skills that you want

1:10:55

to see so I cut a cop him

1:10:57

the like a taste and baigent type of

1:10:59

a guy. York Okay, let's see be developing.

1:11:01

You get quite a bit of time. I'm.

1:11:04

And then probably last and to cut touchdown

1:11:06

would be like Devon Leary he was a

1:11:08

Nc state than went to Kentucky is go

1:11:11

and of arm he's got. You. Know

1:11:13

a solid arm, good release. I

1:11:15

did inconsistent and terms of accuracy, ah,

1:11:18

I'm he had some injuries over his

1:11:20

career in terms of packed shoulder are

1:11:22

broke his. Ah, but when he

1:11:24

throws. Down. The fuel out at

1:11:27

the numbers. Crysis is completely super says and

1:11:29

like four percent. So really I have some

1:11:31

consistency stuff there but you know we have

1:11:33

the arm that that gives you the chance

1:11:35

for the league. Or

1:11:37

a while. But all these names in the show notes

1:11:39

to they. Kill.

1:11:41

Him to declare a going to your bears

1:11:43

and then if he just wanted to have

1:11:45

fun for a second. Who who goes

1:11:48

it to just reading that he leaves? Combination

1:11:50

of tea leaves, spin and ability. All that

1:11:52

stuff. Who goes to. Yeah

1:11:54

I think rick make goes there me he was

1:11:56

in an area dolphins and that guy that sits

1:11:58

with the during. I think

1:12:00

is Daniels only cause seems like safety things that

1:12:03

as but I didn't talk to chef the i

1:12:05

don't know I'd I'd definitely did not. This dissolves

1:12:07

second hand. so as Daniels is gonna to a

1:12:09

sort of may as gonna to to the patriots

1:12:11

take Daniels really take Mccarthy. I.

1:12:14

Think betrayed out ma'am I think you guys are going to

1:12:16

one of the build you. I don't like that. Because

1:12:18

I'd I don't like the class next year for quarterbacks

1:12:20

but i i think he has moved down and near

1:12:22

get you know like appendix or and nixon like round

1:12:25

to is my guess. I.

1:12:27

Think you're crazy if you think those quarterbacks go

1:12:29

or to they better Today I think the road

1:12:31

and and gone the top fifteen both of them

1:12:33

and it was enough desperation out there. Maybe I'm

1:12:36

crazy I'd I'd annoying only thing obviously and what

1:12:38

I know his his. Herd

1:12:40

mentality in the Nfl and when they see

1:12:42

him start when they see the first for

1:12:45

pick as because if they're turning out from

1:12:47

three that means it's a the Vikings trading

1:12:49

up right or some alright and actual to

1:12:51

take Mccarthy or Trick May and then someone

1:12:54

afraid of Arizona for to get the other

1:12:56

ones and. For quarterbacks are gone. And.

1:12:59

Now the Raiders ago it all by god and the brokers

1:13:01

are going over go. We got here starting for next year

1:13:03

so. Anyway, that's that.

1:13:05

that prediction was exactly worth the

1:13:07

the amount of money that you

1:13:09

paid to hear it. Must

1:13:13

not It's ah okay is awesome. I feel

1:13:15

like alert a ton and I and and

1:13:17

you have to get on that Waldman for

1:13:19

for of for as Drake may take clearly

1:13:21

you guys need to have some point. Counterpoint

1:13:24

is awful guys stuff. I'll.

1:13:26

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1:14:03

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1:14:05

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appreciate how well you do support the sponsors.

1:15:06

That's going to do it for this

1:15:08

quarterback-centric episode. Very, very

1:15:10

intriguing, especially for both Nick and

1:15:12

my teams. I think we know

1:15:14

what Nick's team is doing. My team is

1:15:17

a big mystery at number three overall. We'll

1:15:19

find out soon enough. And we have a

1:15:21

couple more positions to get to. Let's face

1:15:23

it, one more position to get to in

1:15:25

the NFL Draft. We're going to do running

1:15:27

backs. It's supposed to not be a wonderful

1:15:29

running back class. We're not going to see

1:15:31

a B. John Robinson or a Jameer Gibbs

1:15:33

taken really high apparently in this draft, but

1:15:35

we care about rookie running backs for sure.

1:15:37

Once they have landing spots, we'll probably start

1:15:41

overdrafting them and I'll get mad about that. But

1:15:43

we need to know the names in

1:15:45

the first place and Paul Purdikisi

1:15:47

from the Saturday to Sunday family

1:15:49

of podcasts and Twitter feeds

1:15:51

and all that stuff is going to educate me

1:15:54

on which running backs to keep an eye on.

1:15:56

And then, yeah, we'll do a little Brock Bowers

1:15:58

conversation to a little tight end. talk as

1:16:00

well next week. That will be fun too.

1:16:03

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listening. Your hat is awesome. You're awesome

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for wearing it. I will talk to

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