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Hey! It's

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the Harris Football Podcast with

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your host, Christopher Harris.

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Welcome! Hey

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everybody, welcome! And my name is Chris

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and this is a yacht. Hello there

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everybody, thank you so much for

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listening. I hope you're doing well. Our

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long, long, very, very long wait

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for the NFL Draft is finally

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over. This

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episode of the little podcast that could

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is coming out the morning of the

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first day of the NFL Draft. I

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don't know, by the time you listen,

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it's possible that some or all of

0:43

the draft is over. And,

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you know, there will be tons

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of time to metabolize how NFL

0:52

landing spots influence fantasy football

0:54

ranks. As of

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my recording right now, this for, I don't

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know, the landing spots yet. So that's not

1:00

what you're going to hear about today. But

1:03

if you'd like analysis about the

1:06

quarterbacks, the running backs, the wide

1:08

receivers in this draft class analysis

1:11

of their talent, heedless of

1:13

landing spot. Well,

1:15

if you haven't listened to the last three shows

1:17

that we've made, one per week, I

1:20

encourage you to do so. A few weeks

1:22

ago, we had Matt Waldman on the wide

1:24

receivers. Two weeks ago, Nick Whelan joined to

1:26

talk about the quarterbacks. And then last week,

1:29

Paul Purdikisi talked about the running backs. I

1:32

know that for my part, I

1:34

will be going back and listening and

1:36

thinking about what those guys said. And

1:42

really, that voice is going to be among

1:44

the strongest in my head, thinking about the

1:46

rookies heading into the 2024 season,

1:49

because I think, you know,

1:51

one central principle of this podcast is

1:53

that the market is going to

1:55

overvalue the dumb stuff. Overvalue

1:57

the stuff we don't know for sure. The

2:00

bright shiny new object and the

2:02

landing spot. Oh, that's perfect. Oh,

2:05

that's a disaster So falling back

2:07

on talent evaluation is for me

2:09

usually a pretty good thing Those

2:12

three shows are of course available to catch up

2:14

on Anytime you

2:16

like frankly wherever you get podcasts and

2:18

then I think it's important to mention next

2:21

week Baby the return

2:23

of the Prince of Darkness Cousin

2:25

Josh has been hiding in the wings

2:28

Ready to pounce and the next two

2:30

weeks you'll get an awful lot of

2:32

Josh because that's our tradition around here

2:35

I'm gonna start finally posting my

2:37

initial fantasy ranks for 2024 at

2:39

Harris football.com running

2:43

backs and tight ends first wide

2:45

receivers and quarterbacks the following week and

2:47

the topic of conversation for those next

2:50

two shows I Mean

2:52

pretty simple Josh looks at my

2:54

ranks and thinks about him and

2:56

then tears him apart And I'll come on

2:58

the show and try and justify Where

3:01

I have guys ranked and where my head

3:03

is currently at so, you

3:05

know, I think you'll want to make sure you

3:07

get those two shows that are coming up the

3:10

next two weeks as well and Before

3:13

we get going with today's festivities. Okay first.

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I have a question Mission

3:17

of mercy I've asked in the film don't

3:19

lie Facebook group, but I have not gotten

3:21

an answer There is

3:23

a yacht club dictionary online and there

3:25

has been for a long time someone

3:28

long time ago started compiling a list

3:30

of very stupid things that I was

3:32

saying and dumb nicknames and

3:35

They kept a running wiki Defining

3:38

some of those very stupid things and nicknames.

3:41

In fact, if you look at the show notes

3:43

each show has a link to this wiki Unfortunately,

3:46

though if you try and go to that

3:48

URL right now, it says not found because

3:51

I guess I don't know I

3:53

don't know if it's not updated every so often. Maybe

3:55

it gets erased or deactivated Truly,

3:57

I'm not sure I was never really that involved

4:00

in making it. I would like for it to be

4:06

I've posed the question to the

4:08

Film Don't Lie group hoping to

4:10

be reminded who among you the

4:12

kind soul who was maintaining this

4:14

page but I have not got an

4:16

answer so if you're listening and

4:18

you are that kind soul please reach

4:20

out to me hey Harris at harrislaugh.com

4:22

let's get the yacht club dictionary functional

4:24

again because new listeners actually do like

4:27

it and check it out so they

4:29

can understand some of the shorthand on

4:32

this show and the dumb stuff that

4:34

I say however if you're not that

4:36

person but you'd like to volunteer and maintain

4:38

such a silly thing let me know that

4:40

too and if I

4:42

don't hear from the current maintainer of it maybe

4:45

there's a way I don't know way back machine

4:47

internet it you know like find the

4:49

old page that way and then and make

4:51

a new one anyway hey Harris

4:53

at harrislaugh.com okay and then one last

4:55

thing before we get underway I

4:58

know that some of you near

5:00

the end of the show you

5:03

know the guest is wrapping up and you're like oh all

5:05

Harris is gonna do is say tune in next week and

5:07

of course I'm planning on tuning in next week so I

5:10

don't have to listen I don't have to hear that summary

5:12

you're bored frankly of hearing my voice after an

5:15

hour which my god imagine living

5:17

in my own head it's it's not great today

5:20

I'm gonna recommend that you

5:22

stick around after the interview with Andy

5:24

Barons because I have an announcement that

5:26

I'm only gonna make it the very end so

5:28

stick around for that also like stick

5:30

around for the ads if you could don't fast-forward if

5:33

you can see your way through be

5:35

receptive that's that's all I'm saying like just

5:38

hear what they have to say via me and

5:40

be receptive because that's how the whole thing happens

5:43

and I would appreciate that all right let's get

5:45

on with the show today's

5:48

kick off on today's show it's

5:50

Andy Barons from Yahoo fantasy he'll

5:52

be along here in just a

5:54

moment and Andy and I are

5:56

gonna look back one year and

5:59

reevaluate the Class of 2023,

6:01

skill position players, discuss where

6:03

we would take them if

6:05

we could have a redo.

6:09

Some guys it turns out that

6:11

we still like as much as

6:13

we did then, some guys very

6:16

much not and we will count

6:18

down our favorite 2023 rookies moving

6:20

forward. We

6:23

each have a list of 20 players. I

6:25

think you'll enjoy it and I thank you again so much

6:28

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is guest. And

8:02

today's guest, that's right,

8:04

we all want

8:06

Andy. It

8:19

is Andy Behrens from Yahoo!

8:21

Fantasy somehow still. We

8:24

can find him on Twitter at Andy Behrens. It

8:27

is your, I believe your 53rd

8:30

appearance on this podcast, including

8:33

the very first episode which took place on

8:35

July 30th, 2015. How

8:38

are you Andy? Shut up! Really?

8:41

Wow. And my appearance fee has gone

8:44

up each time and you just, you happily meet

8:46

it. That's incredible. That's why I keep coming back.

8:49

What a time to be joining you. I

8:51

assume that you're on the yacht right now,

8:54

probably on beautiful Lake St. Clair, looking out

8:56

on the majestic skyline of Detroit,

8:59

ready for the Harris football takeover

9:01

of the NFL draft. What

9:03

a moment to join you. So

9:06

there are a few things about that. So

9:09

the draft is in Detroit, I had no idea. Is

9:12

it? Honestly. I

9:14

believe so, yes. Okay, that's good information. And

9:16

also Lake St. Clair didn't know that was

9:18

the thing that separated Michigan from

9:21

Ontario, and now I know. It's

9:23

lovely actually. It's lovely actually. I

9:26

did not know. You know, that's to me flyover

9:28

territory. Liz isn't on the show anymore, but you

9:31

know, she shared

9:33

her feelings about flyover

9:35

territory and so we are. So like,

9:37

you know, I'm not going to count- Liz hails

9:39

from flyover territory. Right, but she got out. So

9:43

she knows from flyover territory for sure. So

9:46

like, I'm not counting the weekly

9:49

guests, the regulars, right? The

9:51

cousin, I mean, cousin Josh clearly has the most appearances

9:53

on the show and Coming on for

9:55

freaking nine years. Killing me. Yeah, but Josh pays

9:57

to be on the show. Right

10:00

arm and then I'm not counting like

10:02

Jake and Click clerk and minutes right?

10:05

Because they were regulars for a long

10:07

time. Other than those rags. I.

10:10

Clearly of not on the math, however I did. Before

10:12

your parents, go back and look at my website and

10:14

count the number of times you've been on. You are

10:16

oh hell yeah. You gotta be by far the most.

10:18

I don't know for sure I've encountered by the else,

10:20

but c'mon Fifty three. That's a lot. Of.

10:24

Service with make sure that like I'm

10:26

from a we can we can have

10:28

some sort of a iverson of me

10:30

that can continue to come on after

10:32

I retired says oil may he dies.

10:36

Maybe who knows. I swear make sure that

10:38

I can. I can still make regular appearances

10:41

are on creeping toward deaths or it might

10:43

happen with with make sure that I some

10:45

appearances on the So assistance and my status

10:47

still paid a visit right? Well yes that's

10:50

clearly I mean to Mccormick's is a Chance

10:52

Gym. I gotta go back

10:54

and county empty you guys probably

10:56

of neck and neck for the

10:58

most booked guest on the show.

11:01

ah but but just your equally

11:03

charming your equally amusing he harbors

11:05

a lot more ah animosity towards

11:07

humans. You. Have. A

11:11

lot more towards nonhumans I use. You

11:13

sent me via Twitter a picture of

11:15

three. Guess who were tormenting you today?

11:18

Are you okay? Well.

11:20

They were. I mean, they were clearly in

11:22

attack mode as they always are. They're always

11:24

ready for own for a scrap on it.

11:27

We didn't come to blows, but it could

11:29

have happened. I was joy sending. It is

11:31

further evidence of their hostility. Rates.

11:33

Ah, it's it was using come

11:36

to poke good blows because of

11:38

your own personal and superhuman levels

11:40

of self control because clearly they

11:42

were scattered. I want the Scrapper.

11:45

Yes, Yes, I I

11:47

didn't I did not share their posture

11:49

that whole like you know one one

11:51

foot saying head swish it around with

11:53

their crazy Mike Glennon neck. I'd like

11:55

I was know that prone guy that's

11:57

that's the woman those who have had

11:59

had. I said that back to them

12:01

had I don't have Back to them

12:03

it was on. There was no stopping

12:05

at. The Mike Glennon neck is the

12:08

flamingo though. You're mixing up your fear

12:10

of birds and like I have no

12:12

animosity toward the flamingo. I'm just like

12:14

be terrified of the flamingo. But I.

12:16

There's. No war brewing between my son

12:18

as somebody who for whom like some

12:20

long term long time Yahoo follower who's

12:23

loves and the on Twitter and thinks

12:25

he's just a hoot because that's what

12:27

generally people think of anti. Ah who

12:29

who saw him retreating the fact that

12:31

he was going to on the show

12:33

Because you know what? I've seen him

12:36

be on Harris's show. So many to

12:38

fifty three times I've seen him be

12:40

a city to ah you know what?

12:42

One time I'm gonna listen sir. I

12:44

love here and wherever I condemn. And

12:47

the first five minutes is bird talk that I

12:49

have a feeling. That

12:51

probably isn't. That person is having a

12:53

good time and I I just want

12:56

to say i'm really sorry, I just

12:58

want to. Sales are there? Actually, they're

13:00

probably saying wow, I didn't know. You

13:02

know, I'm not getting any of Andy's

13:04

animal takes on any Yahoo platform disguise

13:06

that. There's so many dimensions to this

13:08

guy that our unexplored. I mean

13:10

that's true a god knows I know

13:13

that from my my personal life so

13:15

you know we used to on the

13:17

on the day of the draft least

13:19

put a put out a one more

13:21

draft prospects show. Up until

13:23

August last year were some other draft expert

13:25

would come on. We've done three the past

13:27

three weeks they've been awesome. I still like

13:29

have learned a lot and then we would

13:31

have the fourth one. Come on and we

13:33

would be like okay, give me some deeper

13:35

names or let's talk about some I don't

13:37

Member we talked about was frankly, I'm going

13:39

to now in retrospect, admit kind of yes.

13:41

Ah, and and I don't really like to

13:43

do anymore And it's mostly just because it's

13:45

be as because. By. The Time

13:47

You wasn't the show these guys that were speculating

13:49

about I'll have teams in. Our judgments on them

13:52

are clearly you know a little dated so rather

13:54

than give you can give you. Nfl

13:56

draft stuff the day of the draft instead.

13:58

Last year for the time and it came

14:00

on the show and we decided to do

14:03

a thing no one's ever done before which

14:05

is redraft. Have put

14:07

supplicants. This is the do and we see

14:09

that everywhere. But I'm not by don't know

14:11

that I'm by us. And

14:15

the responses Great people Loved it.

14:17

It was one of the most

14:19

downloaded shows of last off season

14:21

and so we're gonna do it again.

14:23

We're going to redraft the skill rookies

14:25

from the Twenty twenty three Nfl draft.

14:28

Ah, we're gonna have a dynasty.

14:30

Focus of the idea is not just

14:32

for redraft and Twenty Twenty Four, but

14:34

including Toy for the most important.

14:36

You're. In their careers for fantasy

14:38

being to into a for but also. Having

14:41

them on a dynasty team in

14:43

perpetuity are as have our lists

14:45

from last year's program in which

14:47

we did this. And

14:49

the intrepid listener may recall that

14:52

Indian. I had the same for

14:54

players. As. One two, three, Four

14:56

on our lists. Are. They

14:58

were resolved. Garrett. Wilson

15:01

Ten Walker Crystal Lobby. And

15:04

of course up okay those are held

15:06

up okay. although the can Walker pick

15:08

we did the day before he was

15:10

they drafted Zach Sharpen A and people

15:13

wigged out. but I I was on

15:15

Walker all year or so ago. That

15:17

turned out okay for me. Ah but

15:19

yeah that was those Fine I wouldn't

15:21

expect to be terrible but to was

15:23

fine. Number five on your list though

15:25

clad terrible. Ah, it

15:28

was one rat trap himself.

15:30

Damien Pierce. Know

15:32

that we can't be right. I was

15:34

hacked. I was just as I just

15:36

about epic. We we refer to him

15:38

as rat Trap because his strategy is

15:40

to basically like he gets stuck but

15:43

then press to choose on like off

15:45

to can only ours is way out.

15:47

Yeah right I like com and yeah

15:49

he's not. He's not a

15:51

starter in the Nfl. It turns out because

15:53

that the Texans. have said that

15:55

joe mixon is better for a team with

15:57

high aspirations my five was too late to

16:00

I had Isaiah Pacheco

16:02

six You still

16:04

had Rashad white at eight this is way

16:06

before you fell out of love because I

16:09

Remember you come you coming on the

16:11

show in the summer in July and

16:13

we did I specifically saved the teams

16:15

of the you know For the fascist

16:18

email I saved the teams of the

16:20

NFC South Specifically so we could hear all

16:22

about how much what you love Rashad white and that by that

16:24

point you were like god I hate Rashad white. I don't like

16:26

him at all Don't draft him and then he proceeds to score

16:28

73 touchdowns But

16:31

you had him eight I had him such a

16:33

that's such a savvy veteran fantasy move by me

16:35

by the way Just take both sides on a

16:37

player so you can point to it and be

16:40

like I nailed it Totally called it. I

16:42

had James. I was surprised that I had James Cook

16:44

ten and

16:47

then and then I kind of Was

16:50

pretty much down on him all year and again

16:52

this was for dynasty and by the time you're

16:54

at ten You're at like cool Jameson Williams, you

16:57

know But like for example, I had James Cook

16:59

ahead of Rashad white you had Rashad white well

17:01

ahead of James Cook Neither

17:04

one of us had Bryan Robinson high we both had him

17:06

at 16. I think we both probably like him more now

17:09

anyway Interesting. I'm

17:11

sure this year's list will be that

17:13

much more interesting We're gonna start from the top down because

17:15

we're probably gonna have a lot of agreement early

17:17

on I would imagine So if

17:19

you had to do over again

17:22

a rookie draft From for the

17:24

kids who were drafted in 2023 who would be your one? Yeah,

17:28

I'd have I'd have Bijan Robinson at the top and

17:32

He you know, he obviously

17:35

didn't have like he had the dream

17:37

season. He didn't have like the 99th

17:39

percentile perfect first season And

17:41

Algier was still very much involved

17:44

and Arthur Smith obviously made it

17:46

periodically weird But

17:48

still showed us all the traits that

17:50

we wanted to see and expected to

17:53

see receiving ability Home

17:55

run ability played about three-quarters

17:57

of the snaps that the whole office

18:00

is obviously going to benefit from the

18:02

upgrade of quarterback this season because he

18:04

overcame dreadful quarterback play last year. So

18:06

he's still my number one. Yeah,

18:09

clearly I think he would be the one I

18:11

think you know, probably clearly because we're not talking

18:13

about SuperFlex I should have said that to start,

18:15

you know, we're talking about single quarterback league and

18:17

so there's obviously one quarterback who's gonna come pretty

18:19

quick on our lists who we wouldn't

18:21

have had there this time last year that

18:24

in a SuperFlex you might actually make the argument that he

18:26

should be the one among

18:28

this group for redraft or for Dynasty. Yeah,

18:32

I mean you're being very kind to Bijon Robinson

18:34

by saying it wasn't the 99th percentile. I

18:37

mean it wasn't the 47th percentile. It was a

18:40

for where he what he delivered for draft

18:43

value. It was horrible, but

18:45

he wasn't horrible and that's the point that you're

18:47

making. Yeah, and I fully

18:49

agree. Number two. Yeah

18:52

for me, it's Jameer Gibbs. Yeah,

18:55

you're you're if you're gonna be a

18:57

like a committee back be

18:59

a committee back in an offense that is top

19:01

five in the league and everything we care about,

19:03

right? Great environment. He was really

19:05

good in his role. Basically

19:07

a half-share of the snaps, good

19:10

after contact, strung together missed tackles.

19:13

Like everything about him actually like David

19:15

Montgomery actually led all running backs in

19:17

carries like inside the 10-yard line and

19:20

Gibbs still had a million of them too. He had like 24. So

19:24

love the usage, love the team, really liked

19:26

the player. Yeah for me,

19:28

it's much more with the player. I just am always

19:30

gonna not worry that much about platoons and stuff if

19:32

the guy's awesome and Jameer

19:35

Gibbs was by the end of the year was awesome like

19:38

my god need we recount the

19:41

drama the social media drama of

19:45

game one week one against the Chiefs

19:47

when People who would

19:49

draft him at whatever, you know 17 overall

19:52

in a redraft fantasy league were losing their

19:54

minds never

19:57

never bet against the stupidity of someone who

19:59

wants to drift rookie running backs higher than

20:01

they should go, but that never meant that

20:04

Gibbs was bad. And in fact, it's obvious

20:06

that the plan the Lions had was perfect

20:08

because Montgomery got hurt later in the year.

20:10

And by the end of the year, it

20:12

was, there's absolutely no question who

20:14

you wanted if you're a Lions fan to get the ball.

20:17

You knew he wasn't going to get it all the time,

20:19

but the dude who could house it

20:21

whenever you wanted, that was Jameer Gibbs.

20:23

So that's

20:25

such a, that's such a good memory that

20:28

that opening week win. Like

20:31

the fantasy folks were just calling

20:33

it absolute coaching malpractice and they

20:35

had literally just beat the

20:37

reigning Super Bowl champ. I

20:40

mean, to be, I got a lot of

20:42

my career was helped by that happening. So

20:44

I got nothing but love because

20:47

we got a lot of mileage out

20:49

of the stupid Jameer Gibbs takes for months

20:51

last year. So I won't make people relive

20:54

that. Your number three, this is

20:56

where we could maybe get, I bet we won't. I

20:58

bet we'll be okay. But we might have the same

21:00

guy at three. Who you got? Mine

21:03

is Pukanakua. Mine is as well.

21:05

And I honestly think that's probably got to

21:08

be your top three, right? Like I

21:12

don't see an argument for anyone else. Yeah,

21:15

yeah, I certainly couldn't put any other.

21:18

I think there's a, there's a, there's a

21:20

tier break here at receiver. I

21:22

don't, I don't think anybody, I think there's a tier break

21:25

at basically any position here. I think that's a very clear

21:27

first three. Just absolutely

21:30

magnificent rookie season, right? Really

21:32

advanced player. Man, excellent

21:34

at pretty much everything. And at like

21:36

160 targets as a rookie is just

21:38

wild, right? Like the, the only thing

21:41

you can worry about with Pukanakua and

21:43

the only reason not to, not to

21:45

perhaps have them higher is he's got

21:47

kind of a creaky old quarterback who

21:49

they patched together every off season. But

21:51

Stafford was awesome last year. And Honestly,

21:53

like it's, it's, it's football. So Like

21:56

even in Dynasty, you're, you're not looking,

21:58

You know, you're not looking. five. Years

22:00

ahead. you're not going a couple years ahead at any

22:02

given time. So yeah for me this is this was

22:04

the top three. Were pretty easy. Me: Too

22:06

I would put poker at at. At.

22:09

Three here and I got us by

22:11

somebody on twitter. Hey, somebody offered me

22:14

this Puco for the three pick in

22:16

our Tuesday rookie draft this year. Know

22:18

I was like lot. I don't know

22:20

that much about the players so I

22:22

can't tell you for sure. Of

22:25

which guys gonna go three and your rookie draft

22:27

and I can't tell you for so I don't

22:29

really trust my body to evaluate them until the

22:31

in there and the Nfl. But.

22:33

In the range of possible outcomes,

22:36

Is. Sistine. Hundred

22:38

scrimmage or sixteen hundred scrimmage yards. You know

22:41

us at the top end of whoever is

22:43

going to go through like. the best case

22:45

for the person who feels gonna get taken.

22:47

this year's rookie drafted three his book in

22:49

a coma and that person is probably not

22:51

reaching. Must consider Agnico a set every record

22:54

there is for a good receivers. Ah, He's

22:56

he's He's a specific kind of great

22:59

and I understand the people who have

23:01

hesitation about I'm in the same way

23:03

that I'm sure you and I definitely

23:05

have as this I'm a property About

23:07

like property. being of a like a

23:09

really great career Nfl quarterbacks us I've

23:12

I've liked what I saw last year

23:14

but I get why there are holes

23:16

to be punched. Like to cook is

23:18

not that fast and. Pea.

23:21

Soup or physical and and. Seemed

23:23

like every single time he got tackled his brother's

23:25

shoulder and kept getting up and look like a

23:27

was done. You know there there are. Clearly.

23:30

Ways in which broken ago his career can never be

23:32

as good goes in there this past year. But how

23:35

can you pass up on this best. Yeah.

23:38

I'm absolutely again absolutely crazy production

23:40

com and it's just. it's so

23:42

rare that you see somebody looks

23:44

so perfectly at home and and

23:46

like so much of a veteran

23:48

ends does first week of their

23:50

career. I'm. It it was. It

23:52

was absolutely wilde. I'm I can I can imagine

23:54

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25:11

We're back with Andy and we are in

25:13

a redrafting. The twenty twenty Three skill Rockies

25:15

were into twenty of them and I could

25:17

you have it number for a spot where

25:19

made we have the same name but it

25:21

would be arguable what he didn't. I'm

25:24

yeah this one. This is actually where it gets

25:26

kind of squishy and tough for me cause I'm

25:28

as i as I look at the other names

25:31

on my list. I have like. Aca.

25:34

I got five guys who I could put at number

25:37

four and I could. I could make a pretty fair

25:39

argument form, but I'm gonna put I'm gonna put age

25:41

and here. Obviously.

25:44

Blake pre injury last year. I'm one of

25:46

them as ridiculously exposed players that we have

25:48

seen in Fantasy and I'm in a while.

25:50

I'm I don't. I don't know if someone

25:52

at this size, ah, you know, and I

25:54

pay. I get it. We get a lot

25:56

of guys who are like a hundred and

25:58

eighty pounds who are. Really pop off

26:01

in the Nfl right now and maybe

26:03

this works. He's of fuel on the

26:05

small side arm out. There.

26:07

Was a crazy season on on for

26:09

touch basis. I I trust the offense

26:11

that is in I'm I'd trust the

26:13

the play design the he you know

26:15

he got he got more one like

26:17

in the games he played he was

26:20

always getting more work than I. Had

26:22

expected him to like when he debuted last

26:24

year. It was way more work than I

26:26

expected and Dom have to basically ever get

26:28

some we know is a crazy athletes I

26:30

you know this is is is really close

26:32

for me because I've got some players coming

26:35

up that I really love. Ah but for

26:37

me this is can be hm. So.

26:39

He seven for me, but I am.

26:41

I understand it. Have

26:44

you seen pictures of him when he looks like

26:46

after an off season? Yeah. The guy now right

26:49

right is is maybe for some one ninety. I

26:51

mean it's good to know that you get to

26:53

the Nfl and they have some. Really

26:56

good vitamins as. He

26:59

was like a different person he probably just

27:01

like for is probably one ninety seven you

27:03

know, but hopefully will continue to be as

27:05

fast. I'm. Of course that concern

27:08

as injury you have to concern is.

27:11

On a per touch bases his awesome but it

27:13

was not that shocking to me. the got hurt.

27:15

He. Was her performance he started. He got hurt

27:17

during the year. You know that in the

27:19

in the playoff game intensity? They. Really

27:22

could use them. They really could use something. And

27:24

it was, I don't know. too cold as the

27:26

legs didn't work so. I

27:29

got up at seven. I'm not. I'm not. I'm

27:32

not against where you have met all I get it's my

27:34

for us he just route. The. Quarterback we

27:36

mentioned before. I look at

27:38

everything else and I go Yeah, I'm gonna

27:40

take the chance that he's one of those

27:42

guys. I get that that running cheat code

27:44

will probably never be there to the extent

27:46

that. It's there was some

27:49

of the other single quarterback redraft

27:51

guys, but. The.

27:53

One position you actually kind of can feel

27:55

good about in Dynasty. More

27:57

than a couple years down the road

27:59

is quarterback and you know there's an

28:01

easy way for me to paint a

28:03

picture that see Just Route as a

28:05

perennial easy top twelve fancy quarterback every

28:07

single year for a decade And this

28:09

year is the We're I care about

28:11

most in a Dynasty league and and

28:13

any leagues and. Boys. Used

28:16

answer has gone for it. You know is is. There.

28:18

Like okay you thought that was good What? Watch

28:21

what he does, what he's got even better weapons

28:23

are So I'm excited about this year and I'm

28:25

excited about current Gen. He was. Know

28:28

that. I think that the stats were a little bit

28:30

of a mirage to begin the year. they were a

28:32

bit alike. Wow, you know they smear couple a big

28:34

plays in his numbers look great. Asset

28:36

the several times on the show. It's.

28:38

Clear that Texans coaches by October mid October

28:41

were like we might have something really good

28:43

here and they really yeah, pried open the

28:45

paid ten and really let him cook. And

28:47

that was a terrible metaphor cause I don't

28:50

know why you would cook with pace but.

28:53

For lessons of i'm serious, ten people at

28:55

home were not credited with don't do that

28:58

you should advocate And yes, he's my forearm.

29:01

That's that's great because he was my he

29:03

was my five him. At

29:05

everything he said is right in and and

29:07

particularly I'll I'll underscore the part about Like

29:09

Miss being the one position and dynasty where

29:12

you can really Blake you can start to

29:14

make long term plans right. Like it it

29:16

they really do stick. You can look back

29:18

at a lot of quarterbacks who are great.

29:20

Three years ago they're still great quarterbacks right?

29:23

You can always do that at at running

29:25

back other spots and again credited man credit

29:27

to the Texans for understanding that you know

29:29

in their conference Patrick Arms as you can

29:32

be waiting for you and the Ac championships

29:34

you never have. enough weapons right lake

29:36

i'd that obviously love with they've

29:38

done from a real life perspective

29:40

from a fantasy perspective it's it's

29:42

awesome if there's anybody in this

29:44

class obviously who has a shot

29:46

at five thousand yards next year

29:48

forty eight hundred yards next year

29:50

it's it's pretty clearly cj stroud

29:52

i'm so yeah he was my

29:54

he's the next name on my

29:56

list so if this were a

29:59

redraft list we read run just

30:01

for this year. Stroud go a little bit

30:03

lower maybe? I think

30:05

he would for me. Yeah,

30:09

yeah he's probably but not like

30:11

I don't know we're getting into a we're getting

30:13

into a group of receivers that I have some

30:15

questions on he'd probably go one spot lower probably

30:17

go one spot lower for me. It might go

30:19

a little bit lower than that for me maybe

30:21

maybe three or four only because he plays in

30:23

a single quarterback league he plays

30:25

a non-scarce position and for one year I

30:27

can I can patch it together you know

30:29

so I don't need to value quarterbacks that

30:32

highly but in Dynasty yeah he

30:34

gets a little bit of a boost even if

30:36

it's not super flex okay so he's your five

30:39

I mean here's the upset of the show

30:41

we can just hit the stop button right now

30:44

on bungledoo the the software that we used to

30:46

record this thing because

30:48

I have Sam

30:50

LaPorta higher than you do

30:53

what? Yeah I've got LaPorta

30:55

sick. Okay talk about it. Well

30:59

I mean what what really has to be said about

31:01

the best ever do it Chris. I

31:03

mean you talk about yourself I

31:06

assume because you were right on Sam LaPorta

31:08

you came on the show and you said it. I

31:11

will say like the consequences for me we're gonna

31:13

be so grave if Sam LaPorta was a total

31:15

bust or they just used him as a blocker

31:18

or something all year right I didn't really think

31:20

about it but like every time I went on

31:22

any any show any time a radio station had

31:24

me on and they were like hey give me

31:26

one name that is your guy this year was

31:29

always LaPorta I had my talking points so thank

31:32

God it actually happened. You

31:34

know the best part of that story is

31:36

now everybody knows they only have only have

31:38

to listen to you once and they can

31:40

just tune out. That's fair. That's

31:42

totally fair. Yeah

31:44

that's I mean that's the that's the gig that's the

31:46

whole game. You think

31:48

I go on different shows and

31:50

say different things? I wish that

31:52

was like I gotta do five

31:54

shows a week man. Yeah man

31:56

I obviously I love LaPorta coming into

31:59

the league. And I understand

32:01

why he was

32:03

a little bit underappreciated because Iowa

32:05

literally had the worst quarterback situation

32:07

in football for multiple seasons. And

32:09

every damn yard he gained in college,

32:11

he got on his own. None

32:14

of that was scheme related or quarterback

32:16

related. But great season, 120 targets, great

32:20

after the catch as he was at Iowa. It

32:23

was, I mean, it was literally one of

32:26

the greatest rookie seasons in the history of the position. So

32:28

yeah, he's an easy call here. Yeah,

32:32

I mean, the

32:34

thing that I, I

32:36

admire than you do. So like, I'm, this is, I'm

32:39

gonna, I'm agree. I'll never bet against

32:43

rookie tight end, ADP, I'll

32:45

never go higher. You know, like I'll just

32:48

be fine taking whoever. Because

32:50

people were saying about Dalton Kincaid much more than

32:52

they were saying about Sam LaPorta. That's,

32:55

I certainly heard way more hype on Kincaid

32:58

than I did about LaPorta. And there were other, you know, it's

33:00

supposed to be a great tight end class last year. There are

33:02

other rookie tight end Michael Mayer. I don't know that maybe people

33:04

were excited about Michael Mayer, but you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

33:09

so like

33:11

what in rookie dynasty drafts after

33:14

the draft last year, by August last year,

33:17

Kincaid was going eight, LaPorta was going 15

33:19

on average, let's

33:21

say. So that was already wrong.

33:24

The person who was, who was, this is

33:26

all an apology because I just missed on

33:28

LaPorta. Absolutely wrong, incorrect missed, but I

33:31

just don't mind missing. Now,

33:33

I think it's fair to say,

33:36

as long as you're not paying Kincaid level prices,

33:38

if you're paying LaPorta level prices, who cares? It's

33:40

the whatever it is, 12th, 13th round. So

33:43

go have fun. And if you, if you

33:45

nailed it, obviously you had a really

33:47

great chance of having a good season. So yeah,

33:50

he's a really good player. So he's

33:52

fighting me. But again, to your point, and

33:54

it will be, you know,

33:56

Brock Bowers conversation, eventually like this,

33:58

this almost never. happens. The

34:02

greatest players in the history of the position haven't

34:05

had a league like this. Yeah, it just

34:07

it just doesn't happen historically and it's never

34:09

something that we should expect and you know

34:12

the league didn't recognize Sam LaPorta as a guy who

34:14

was gonna do this. I will say now that I'm

34:16

now that I'm now that you have me thinking about

34:18

that Lions Chiefs game first game the

34:20

season last year I thought like

34:23

the the best early sign for Sam LaPorta

34:25

I remember this was that they were

34:27

man they got down on the goal line and they

34:29

just ran behind him a couple times with Montgomery and

34:31

like you know that was that seemed like a

34:33

real commitment to just you know LaPorta is gonna

34:35

be on the field all the time. We already

34:37

like come as a receiver we're gonna we're gonna

34:39

we think we can run behind this dude for

34:41

the next four years right like just a just

34:45

a very good all-around player. He

34:47

sure is. Alright so I don't get to HN yet

34:49

on my list I have I assume

34:52

the other quarterback who's at least in the mix for

34:54

you I have

34:57

Anthony Richardson is

35:01

he close on your list where's he coming he's he is

35:04

close he's he's not the next name but he's the name

35:06

after the next okay so he's eight on your list he's

35:08

six on my list and

35:10

I probably should have numbered my list huh well

35:12

I'm writing it down they're all in the show notes everybody should know

35:14

they're all they're on the show notes. I

35:18

can't even tell you what

35:21

he did last year was so incredible

35:23

and remarkable and and undeniable

35:27

that of course Anthony Richardson would

35:29

be the second quarterback you would take and would be

35:31

a first-round pick if we were doing this all over

35:33

again of course of course of course like Anthony

35:37

Richardson went higher in last

35:39

year he was the QB won in last

35:41

year's rookie drafts he was the three pick

35:43

and most it was most pick most drafts

35:45

it was Bijon Robinson, Jameer Gibbs, Anthony Richardson

35:47

so this is for both of us a

35:49

downgrade but it's

35:51

an acknowledgement I think of two things one

35:54

there was this worry that he was gonna

35:57

be lost like he just wouldn't understand what to do

35:59

on a football field because he wasn't his

36:01

completion percentage was under 50% in college and

36:03

he was just a mess and yada yada

36:05

and that he solved like

36:07

he was representable if not perfect

36:09

and Then to everything they

36:12

said about the running was real and it

36:14

is a cheat code And if

36:16

you have that in a dynasty league forever, you know,

36:18

you're in a really good shape Yeah,

36:21

I mean ideally he would have played more than four games

36:24

He's got to find ways not to get

36:26

himself blown up right, but what what we

36:28

saw was obviously very promising and they like

36:32

they I think they had pretty clearly built a built

36:34

a Fun and workable

36:36

offense for him to like they rolled him out

36:38

a bunch. They gave him some layup throws He's

36:41

obviously got good receivers at his disposal and

36:43

man like four games. We got seven combined

36:45

touchdowns It was a it was a great

36:47

glimpse of obviously what he can be Okay,

36:50

so then hn is my

36:52

seven Who is your seven?

36:56

It is Rishi rice Wow,

36:59

not me Got a wow

37:03

Well, there's there's circumstances that

37:06

you know, I had to factor in the idea that you may

37:08

never play again. Oh Man

37:12

I'm not yeah, I'm not ready to go there. I

37:15

don't well But I'm also but I'm

37:17

also not like I don't know. I'm not you

37:19

you're not having me on here as legal expert

37:21

Andy parents No, no, that doesn't he he's

37:23

just it's in the realm of it's

37:26

if you're asking me all of the

37:28

possible possible problems He's suspended for a

37:30

full year. He's in jail for a

37:32

full year Like I

37:34

got I got he's better than I have

37:37

him I have met 17, but I haven't 17

37:39

factoring in real concern over his availability the next

37:41

few years Man

37:43

well, perhaps the Harris football attorneys know

37:46

some things that I don't know That

37:48

I can't I can't rule that out I

37:51

you know based on my my total lack

37:53

of understanding of the law. I'm not I'm

37:55

not And I'm

37:58

not I'm not I'm just not as

38:00

worried as you clearly about him being

38:02

lost for an entire season. It doesn't

38:04

seem to me like we're headed that way, but it's

38:06

pointless for the two of us to try to catch

38:08

that out. He's

38:11

an interesting player, but

38:14

I'm not sure he's a good player. He's

38:18

a really interesting athlete. He

38:20

just catches everything four yards down the field. Yeah.

38:24

Yeah, no, I think there's a bunch of things that are

38:27

really interesting about his first season, one of which what

38:30

he was asked to do in Kansas City is just not

38:32

even a little bit what he was asked to do in

38:34

college. He was much more like

38:36

a downfield threat at

38:39

SMU, and

38:41

he was exactly not that with

38:43

Kansas City. This

38:46

is largely environment-based. They

38:49

asked him to do a few NFL bread and

38:51

butter things well, and he did them over the

38:53

middle, slants, dig routes, near the line of scrimmage, yards

38:57

after catch opportunities. He

38:59

just really excelled in that. Of course, by the end of the

39:01

season, he was one

39:03

of three players who were basically inside of

39:05

Patrick Mahone's circle of trust, and there was

39:07

nobody else. And I

39:09

also think that he and Kelsey and Hollywood Brown

39:11

are going to complement each other really well. So

39:15

I'm making an assumption that he actually

39:17

plays this year and isn't suspended for

39:19

more than two games, four

39:21

games, something like that. But over the next stretch

39:24

of seasons, I'm pretty interested in

39:26

Rishi Rice. I think

39:28

all the receivers here, there's a lot of fun receivers here.

39:30

I think they're all a little bit flawed in their own

39:32

way. And he's

39:34

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Okay,

41:00

we're back with Andy, and we are gonna go

41:02

a little faster for the second half of our

41:04

lists as we get through

41:06

some similar names. Clearly, we're just

41:09

gonna have them in funky different orders. So Andy

41:11

did Reishi

41:13

Rice at seven, Anthony Richardson at eight,

41:16

I did Devon H. Chan at seven, and

41:18

I have Zae Flowers at eight. Is he

41:20

coming up on your list relatively soon? It's

41:22

my next guy. So go ahead and talk

41:25

about him. Yeah, let's

41:27

see. The final taste

41:30

that we got of Zae Flowers

41:32

experience was a journey, right? Just

41:35

an idiot. Like,

41:37

are you stupid? Like, that was terrible. Yeah,

41:39

but it's haunting the fumble, all of it.

41:41

You got the worst

41:43

game of the season, not bad statistical game, but obviously

41:45

the worst game of the season. But

41:48

man, he's another guy who saw a

41:50

lot of, you know, near the line

41:52

of scrimmage targets on the air screens,

41:55

easy throws to just a crazy elusive

41:57

player. If they never

42:00

ask more of him, he's already a pretty

42:02

useful fantasy asset, right? But if they open

42:04

things up, if they ever decide they're going

42:07

to give him 30, 40 downfield shots, I

42:09

don't know if they will, then

42:12

he can really be a party and he can

42:14

really unlock something. But if all we

42:16

ever get is what we got last year, that

42:18

was pretty good. Yeah, I would

42:21

argue that if all we ever got out of Z

42:23

Flowers and Rachael Rice was what they did

42:25

last year, which you're right, the usage was kind of similar,

42:27

I'm way more interested in Z Flowers because

42:29

he's the kind of dude you should be getting the ball within

42:32

a few yards and let him run

42:34

because he's frickin' electric. But there's still

42:37

a little budget tie hill lurking somewhere

42:39

that would be lovely if an offense

42:41

treated him that way. We'll see. I

42:43

mean, it's only been one year. So

42:47

your nine is Z Flowers. My nine,

42:50

you love this player too and I'm higher on him too.

42:52

I have Jordan Addison at nine. That's

42:54

my next guy, yeah. Right, then talk about

42:56

him. Yeah,

42:58

this is one where I actually, I like

43:01

the player more than this, probably a

43:03

lot more than this. I think Addison

43:06

obviously showed us last year he's got

43:08

big play potential. He can do

43:10

all the bread and butter stuff and

43:12

should just absolutely thrive in an

43:15

offense in which Justin Jefferson is

43:17

tilting the field. But

43:20

as of this moment, like you and

43:22

me talking right now, pre-draft, Sam

43:25

Darnold is his quarterback and I don't know

43:27

what rookie enters the picture and some of

43:29

that terrifies me. I'm

43:31

not super convinced that any non-Caleb Williams

43:33

rookie is a way better answer than

43:35

Darnold in 2024. So it's just short-term

43:37

messy, that's

43:41

all. But I think, man,

43:43

just like looking back to first-year

43:46

landing spots, anything

43:50

that you didn't like about Jordan Addison coming into

43:52

the league, whether he could really exist

43:54

as a true number

43:56

one receiver, X

43:58

receiver type. whatever we

44:01

want to call them, none of it mattered because

44:04

he immediately got paired with Justin

44:06

Jefferson and things became unfair for him. So

44:08

he's in a great situation if they just have

44:11

a league average quarterback. I think it's just worth

44:13

emphasizing that in fact, what

44:15

a lot of people said was, terrible landing spot, too

44:17

many mouths to feed. Oh

44:21

man, I guess I don't know

44:23

what the whole industry said. I loved it. Sure,

44:27

but like that just shows

44:29

you what a crutch argument landing spot is

44:31

as far as depth chart goes. Quarterback

44:33

matters. What you're saying about quarterback of course matters. If he's

44:35

paired with a Slappy for three years, he's not gonna live

44:37

up to where we have him ranked here. No question about

44:40

it. But as far

44:42

as who else, it's not the NFL anymore, it's

44:44

not 2007. You

44:46

don't have to worry that there's another good receiver there.

44:48

If he's good, he's gonna partake. We

44:51

used to have to worry, oh well, gosh, if

44:53

they have three receivers, then there's

44:56

too many receivers. I can't draft anybody in that team. Now

44:58

it's like, if they only have five, they're like, oh, thank God,

45:00

they only have five. And

45:02

yeah, so just realize what a terrible crutch

45:05

argument that can be. It can also

45:07

be, if you're predisposed to

45:09

liking the player, the reason it's a crutch is

45:11

because then you go, oh, all the acres of

45:13

space he's gonna get because of Justin Jefferson. None

45:15

of which would matter if he couldn't

45:17

play, but it was pretty obvious that he

45:20

could play. Like I didn't come away thinking he

45:22

was like a true number one

45:24

yet. Maybe he will be.

45:27

If they judge that he is, Justin Jefferson might

45:29

be playing somewhere else soon, in

45:32

which case, like, now

45:34

you love the depth shirt, who else is there? You know,

45:36

that's so, anyway, he's nine for me,

45:38

he's 10 for you. My 10 is Tajie

45:40

Spears. Is he near your, is he coming

45:42

up? He is, he's

45:46

actually not. And I don't

45:48

dislike him. I don't dislike him. Just

45:50

the crowd is flattening out a little

45:52

bit here. Yeah, so I have Tajie

45:54

Spears 10. Tell me about him. He's,

45:57

you know, I don't know if you've ever heard this, but he doesn't have any.

46:00

ACL in his knee. Have you ever heard that

46:02

before? And

46:05

yeah, she's somehow look into getting

46:07

one he somehow walks around walks

46:09

among us incredibly Yeah,

46:12

there's an opportunity obviously and and

46:14

I don't believe anything It's gonna be

46:16

said about himself and Tony Pollard and oh

46:19

we've been told we're both being used and

46:21

also whatever It doesn't matter Tony Pollard is

46:23

a good player so sedgish beers and frankly

46:26

if one of them is tough It's the smaller kid

46:29

here Tony Pollard had It

46:32

I think it was a weird Unlucky

46:35

season for Tony Pollard and he earned

46:37

every bit of ire you know that the fantasy

46:40

world could give him But

46:42

if there's a criticism to come out of watching

46:44

that film all year with Pollard it was yeah,

46:46

man There are times where you're taking on a

46:48

guy your size and you probably should just take

46:50

him on and not try to get around Him

46:52

and I don't have a concern about Taji Spears

46:54

He he is he's

46:56

really fast. He's definitely undersized,

46:58

but he is That

47:01

kid ain't afraid he is yeah He's

47:04

as physical as he can be and maybe that you know

47:07

I put Hn ahead of him, and

47:09

I would put a chin ahead of him because

47:12

hn however fast I think Spears

47:14

is hn is clearly faster, and

47:16

if I'm gonna criticize hn that he could get

47:18

hurt listen Spears isn't that much bigger he could

47:20

get hurt too, but There's

47:23

a world where it works There's a world

47:25

where Christian McCaffrey's little and somehow just finds

47:27

a way and I think Spears

47:30

isn't quite that level of athlete, but he's

47:32

really really fun athlete Yeah,

47:36

really fun receiving option to Million

47:38

broken tackles last year so fun to fun

47:40

to watch which is a nice little fantasy

47:43

intangible He's

47:45

there. He's clearly in committee Which is a

47:47

concern except that most of the league is

47:49

in committee so so maybe I shouldn't overstate

47:51

that too much Right, but he yeah, but

47:53

he's he's got an offense with

47:55

a lot of really interesting skill weapons And

47:57

not a very interesting potentially not a very

48:00

interesting quarterback which matters. Yeah.

48:02

All right let's keep going because

48:04

we're only to this for we're only through the first

48:06

half so let's say a little bit less about each

48:08

guy and we'll go through these

48:10

names quicker. Who's 11 on your list? Yeah

48:13

my next guy and this would have sort of there

48:15

would there was a great possible

48:17

segue there when you were talking about how

48:19

it just doesn't matter when a team has

48:21

three receivers we like or multiple receivers we

48:23

like. My next guy is Jaden Reed. He

48:27

actually, man that guy that guy like

48:30

took down the Green Bay receiving triple crown last

48:32

year. I don't know if people

48:34

realize that like he led the team in

48:36

receptions yards touchdowns they found touches for him

48:39

outside of the passing game too. We

48:41

saw him play through injury just just

48:44

huge rookie year without ever really having a

48:47

huge is a little bit of an over overstatement not

48:50

a huge rookie season but he never had that signature

48:52

monster game but he was he was super helpful along

48:54

the way. I actually I came out

48:56

of that season thinking that Green Bay without

48:59

without having necessarily the best I'm not saying they

49:01

have the best receiving core in football they but

49:03

they might have the deepest receiving room. They have

49:05

the most the NFL. Yeah. They have the most

49:07

receiving core. We got a lot of stuff I

49:09

really like yeah. We got to go we got

49:11

to go a little quicker. It's

49:14

funny when you said oh it's a perfect segue

49:16

for when there's three receivers we like I thought

49:18

you were gonna say tank Dell who's my number

49:21

11 which is just the point is

49:23

that you can say this about every dang team they

49:25

all have three receiver like you just can't fall

49:27

out of love with players because you're like that's too

49:29

many amounts to feed or yes there's

49:32

gonna be so much open space for him it it

49:34

works if they're good. This could

49:36

be way under rating tank Dell.

49:38

He's teeny teeny tiny but he

49:41

he runs a comeback route like almost nobody

49:43

else in the entire league and I would include

49:45

Tyree Kill in that. He's not hill level

49:48

burner fast and he's not

49:50

really laterally he's very quick but he's not like

49:52

Tyree Kill crazy explosiveness but as far as his

49:54

comeback route goes it might be the best in

49:56

the league one of them maybe something

49:58

I'll look at the summer. So I'm

50:01

not worried. I mean I'm somewhat worried. I love

50:04

the two other receivers on the team. Stefan Diggs

50:06

is there, Nico Hollins is there, but I

50:08

would tank Dell. I would tank, take tank Dell pretty high.

50:11

Who's 12 on your list? It's

50:13

a tank Dell. We have pretty similar lists.

50:15

Obviously his best moments were some of the

50:18

best in the entire class, right? I

50:21

feel like it's wild that I have him this

50:23

low. Like I sort of wrote

50:25

down all the names in this group and I

50:27

was like, okay, let's sort him out. There's no

50:29

way I won't have take Dell in my top

50:31

eight or whatever. And then he just gets pushed

50:33

down because of the number of players that are

50:35

there and are obviously going to command targets. Yeah,

50:38

so, but then again, I just

50:43

want to be careful with that logic. That's logic

50:45

that leads you down a bad path. I

50:49

was just, what you basically said in fancy

50:51

and Andy Barron's talk was too

50:54

many mouths to feed and I just don't believe in that. But

50:57

the issue with tank Dell, honestly from

50:59

week to week, if Stefan Diggs is

51:02

there or not, given his size, has

51:04

the potential to be Feaster Famine. It

51:07

wasn't last year. The targets just kept coming.

51:09

But the league didn't know him and wasn't

51:12

accounting for him. And he's a

51:14

little dude and it's, he could

51:16

easily slide into and yes, even more so with

51:18

Diggs around, slide into a little bit more like

51:20

this week he got 192 yards and one minute

51:22

a week. What happened?

51:24

He got 32 the next week. It's possible. But

51:27

also that's like most receivers that

51:29

we're going to be starting in fantasy. So that's not,

51:32

you know, that's not even really a Digg. It's

51:34

a small number of players who are just

51:36

week in and week out. It's

51:38

a matter of degree. It's a matter of degrees

51:41

though. He's awfully small. He's

51:43

awfully small to be getting the workload that he got previously.

51:45

And I think the Digg signing kind of tells you that

51:47

they, they made me think that too. So

51:50

Reed was my 14. So

51:53

I haven't gotten to Jane Reed yet. My

51:55

12 was Zach Charbonnet against

51:57

whom I felt like I was waging some kind of

52:00

war. War last year not knowing anything

52:02

about him, but just being like you guys Ken Walker's

52:04

really good I don't know what you're all doing and

52:06

the ADP got crazy on Charbonnet and everybody was wrong

52:08

and I was right and that Makes me feel good

52:11

and what I came away thinking about Charbonnet was

52:13

yeah I think the people who were enthused about

52:16

them were basically right. It's just

52:18

that everybody likes the

52:20

bright shiny toy and Decides

52:22

that they wouldn't have drafted them They weren't gonna

52:24

use them right away and then it turns out

52:26

yes They would because teams do it all the

52:28

time But now that we have the benefit of

52:30

both of them being veterans I can see how

52:33

they compliment one another and I think Charbonnet is

52:35

probably a better pass catcher and He's

52:38

they're both really really physical. They're both not slow

52:40

like I'm excited by both of them Yeah,

52:44

he's like three guys away from me Yeah,

52:46

I liked him too. I thought he was almost exactly

52:48

as advertised We don't we don't know exactly what a

52:50

new coaching staff will will do with these guys, but

52:52

it's probably much the same, right? They're both really good.

52:55

Yep So your number 13

52:59

My next guy is Dalton Kincaid Okay,

53:01

he's 15 for me. I felt

53:04

like he was perhaps a little perhaps a

53:06

little unlucky touchdown wise last year

53:08

like if he just had that same season and

53:12

Had caught a perfectly normal touchdown like

53:14

five five TDs six TDs then all of

53:16

a sudden He's a you know, he's a

53:18

top five top six fantasy tight end. I

53:20

don't know don't do the math. Don't check

53:22

me But he was a

53:25

little light on touchdowns last year. He was he was

53:27

great Otherwise, I think top ten

53:29

at the position and targets catches yards all the good

53:31

stuff And here's a here's a case where you look

53:33

at the receiving core and you're like wow Dalton

53:36

Kincaid might might just lead that team in

53:38

targets Yeah,

53:41

they're gonna wind up with something else though like it's we're

53:43

awfully far away Did he

53:45

did he prove that he could play? Yes, he

53:48

proved he did but he belonged Did he look

53:50

like a anything like a finished product like Sam

53:52

LaPorta did no, no, no, no, no, yeah We

53:55

have well, he's also unlike unlike Sam LaPorta. He's

53:57

a like Kincaid's a wide receiver,

53:59

right? he was in the slot all year. I

54:02

don't have the percentage of past plays

54:04

in front of me, but he won

54:07

block. No, and doing

54:10

what he did wasn't super polished, but

54:12

athletically was so gifted that at times

54:14

just kind of made a great play,

54:16

all of which is a way of saying, there's

54:18

big room for him to grow, and that, yeah,

54:20

people were super overdrafting him last year, but now they're

54:22

gonna have fallen in love with him, out of love

54:24

with him, and so maybe there's value this

54:26

time around. Like I said, he was 15 for me. My

54:30

13, I wonder if you thought of him, if

54:32

you wanted to put him on your list, if

54:34

you did put him on your list, do you

54:36

have Chase Brown on your list? Oh

54:38

yeah. Okay. I have

54:40

him immediately after Taji and Charbonnet.

54:44

I don't know what order that is. Does Kincaid and then

54:46

Taji? No,

54:49

I got one more before we get to that

54:51

group of three running backs. Okay,

54:53

so yeah,

54:55

I mean, Chase Brown, it

54:58

was, let's face it, mostly a cameo. I

55:03

can't, I wanna be

55:05

real wary of the who else's there argument,

55:07

because it just leads to very stupid running

55:09

back decisions. I

55:12

have to go back and really rewatch

55:14

Chase Brown doing anything other than run real fast in a

55:17

straight line, but the fact

55:19

is, he could run real fast in a

55:21

straight line. It was obvious, it was something

55:23

the offense needed in Cincinnati and

55:25

he provided it.

55:27

And they were out of luck, they didn't

55:30

have a quarterback anymore, right? And he was

55:32

kind of the shot of explosiveness

55:34

they needed. And seeing that

55:37

in a Joe Burrow offense could be

55:39

pretty fun. We're low enough

55:41

now where we're throwing darts and

55:44

a fast undersized kid who plays for Joe

55:46

Burrow's offense. Okay, I would throw that dart.

55:50

Yeah, he was, man, talk

55:52

about a great college player. He was just a

55:54

phenomenal every down back in the Big 10. And

55:57

then just super explosive last year. If that's all

55:59

he does. And he does that, again,

56:02

as you say, in a Joe Burrow-led offense that is scoring

56:04

a heck of a lot more than it did last year.

56:07

And all of a sudden, he's a rotational back who might get 8

56:09

to 12 touches. But

56:11

man, being a featured member

56:13

of the screen game, when

56:16

everything is fully operational for Cincinnati,

56:18

that's such a big difference. So

56:20

yeah, love him. Love.

56:23

It's too strong. Don't

56:25

love. I don't. Anyway.

56:27

I have 13 of you. I believe I'm 17, so I don't know

56:30

how much you could possibly really love him. But

56:33

we'll just take that. Listen, one of us has a

56:35

heart full of love, and the other is Chris Harris.

56:38

Who's 14 on your list? Jackson

56:41

Smith and Jigba. Okay. He's

56:43

16 for me. Yeah.

56:46

Good player, obviously. A little bit disappointing,

56:49

but certainly flash, particularly toward the end of

56:51

the year. If

56:54

you were the sort of person who worried about

56:56

there being three receivers who deserve the football, then

56:58

you would say that he has a Tyler Lockett

57:00

problem. I think long term, they have

57:02

big plans for JSN. I don't

57:05

know that it'll totally come to fruition this year. I

57:07

don't know that we love the quarterback situation so much.

57:09

We'll see if that changes at all in the draft.

57:12

Also, he made a lot of mistakes. Sure.

57:17

And what we can't know is whether

57:19

that's fixable.

57:25

The draft industrial complex can't help itself.

57:30

Hyping up this guy, this number one receiver. He

57:32

was like, yeah, you knew that Chris Olave and

57:34

Garrett Wilson played at Ohio State, but you know

57:36

who they said was the best receiver? I'll

57:39

give you a hint. And

57:42

then we see him play and we go, okay, he kind

57:44

of looks like every other receiver pretty much. He

57:46

didn't look super fast to me. He

57:49

looked like he ran pretty good routes, and

57:51

he looked like he ran the

57:53

wrong way several times and lost the trust. Early in

57:55

the season, he didn't seem to have anybody's trust. And

57:58

so the reason to have them lower on the

58:00

list despite him being the top receiver drafted last year

58:03

is yeah you have to factor

58:05

in the bust possibility there is a possibility

58:07

that he's just Kelvin Ridley not the same

58:09

body type but the same like this

58:11

is a can't misprospect until he misses and

58:15

I don't I don't necessarily I don't think

58:17

we have enough information to say after one year that

58:19

he's missed not at all I don't think there's another

58:21

guy coming on my list where we probably still shouldn't

58:24

say that he's missed even though the evidence is stronger

58:26

but it's still

58:28

a possibility like you still have to admit you

58:31

know not you one the platonic one

58:33

have to admit that there's

58:36

a chance that this is just he was a bunch of hot

58:38

air yeah no

58:40

it's fair it's all fair okay so

58:42

your 15 is Taji Spears

58:46

so my 14 was Jaden Reed Israel on the show notes by the

58:48

way my 15 was Kincaid my 16 was JSN your 17 chase Brown

58:50

my 17 finally

58:55

Rishi Rice scared to death about how much

58:58

he's playing in the next couple years so

59:00

we have the same

59:02

top 17 so that's kind of

59:04

wild Wow it's it's

59:06

Josh Downs I knew

59:08

I knew he'd be on your list he's not on mine he'd be an

59:10

honorable mention guy really like

59:12

I think he I you know in in

59:14

a in a different spot perhaps not tied

59:16

to Anthony Richardson I think he could be

59:18

like a 90 or a hundred catch slot

59:21

guy that's that's not happening here but

59:23

but you know 80 if he plays a full season

59:26

I think that's I think that might be in play

59:29

I wasn't blown away by him I

59:31

thought hey a little skinny guy

59:34

who doesn't really do that much after the

59:36

catch this is not exciting at all and

59:38

I remember the the couple of games where

59:40

he flashed and people were like oh forget

59:42

Michael Pittman this is Josh

59:44

Downs's team like sometime around

59:46

October remember when that like scored

59:48

touchdowns with back-to-back games 125 yards

59:51

oh my god you know like and I

59:53

just was like yeah I don't and granted

59:55

now Anthony Richardson's gone by this point so

59:57

we're probably not getting a fair accounting Yeah,

1:00:00

I I view him as a kind

1:00:02

of a nice complementary player But he was not a

1:00:04

mentioned for me my 18 was if I'm gonna take

1:00:06

a shot at this point. It's a higher upside receiver

1:00:09

It's Michael Wilson from Arizona. Did you

1:00:11

give him any consideration? He's

1:00:13

20 for me. Okay, you

1:00:15

can talk about him a little Yeah,

1:00:18

and this you know there that's another team

1:00:20

that is about to that is a core

1:00:22

about to add a receiver Don't

1:00:24

know who but it's gonna be somebody pretty good. They need

1:00:26

it But it's a it's

1:00:28

pretty wide open receiving core. I thought you know, I

1:00:31

thought his best moments I thought his best games were such

1:00:33

a good way of saying it. Yeah. Yeah Yeah,

1:00:36

I don't want to like I don't know the

1:00:38

whole the whole season wasn't great It wasn't a

1:00:40

you know, it wasn't a rich environment or anything

1:00:42

like that. But man, I really feel like there's

1:00:44

just a couple guys out there You

1:00:48

know, I felt a little bit the same way about Jalen

1:00:51

Hyatt were like just their best moments

1:00:53

their best individual moments best

1:00:55

games Really really showed us something

1:00:57

even if we didn't see it all year and

1:01:01

just just liked Just like

1:01:04

I'm coming into the end of the season

1:01:06

as a prospect and don't like a many

1:01:08

less now and I I was trying to

1:01:10

Avoid having a specific player on my official

1:01:12

list The

1:01:14

one that he's 20th for me We're

1:01:18

gonna get to him in a second Yeah, I didn't

1:01:20

know anything about him because I don't really know

1:01:22

anything about any of them until they're they play

1:01:24

in NFL games that matter but I'll

1:01:27

just stick up for Michael Wilson a

1:01:29

little here to say that his best

1:01:31

moments and Jalen Hyatt's best moments are

1:01:33

even on the same Planet is unfair

1:01:35

Michael Wilson's best moments were like, oh

1:01:37

my god like this

1:01:40

guy's, you know Fast

1:01:42

enough big contested catch and body control

1:01:44

and hands like you've never seen before

1:01:46

it happened like seven times all year

1:01:50

But if it were to if you were to somehow unlock

1:01:52

it, you know, I would be pretty excited I view ode

1:01:54

view miss kind of an upside pic My

1:01:57

19 is Marvin Mims Okay,

1:02:01

this is good. We have a little bit

1:02:04

of differentiation at the end. I do not have memes on

1:02:06

the list. 19 is who for you? My

1:02:09

19 is Dontavian Wix. I

1:02:14

really like Wix. Well,

1:02:16

not that much. He's 19th among rookies from last

1:02:18

year, so you don't like him much. Well,

1:02:20

right, but I'm not like redrafting the entire

1:02:22

league. Well, so that's an interesting question. Like

1:02:25

if I were just like an actual NFL

1:02:27

team redrafting that thing, I think I would

1:02:30

have him much higher in this

1:02:33

group of receivers. He

1:02:35

looked, man, that guy looked

1:02:37

like a vet to me. He was

1:02:39

clowning people in the final weeks of

1:02:41

the season. It was pretty shameful. He

1:02:43

just played bigger than his

1:02:45

listed size. I think they call him 6'0 or 6'1".

1:02:49

He looks bigger than that, just like terrific.

1:02:52

What he's not though, they're telling you that he's not though.

1:02:56

Well, they lie. They lie. You know how they are. I

1:02:59

agree that Dontavian Wix had really good moments.

1:03:01

It kind of looked like all

1:03:04

the years people were telling us Alan Lazard

1:03:06

was good. That's what he's supposed to look like. I

1:03:09

thought he had those moments when he wasn't getting the ball and when

1:03:11

he was getting the ball.

1:03:15

I thought play to play, that guy

1:03:17

did not look like a rookie. Right.

1:03:20

And your point, the reason he'd be so low here is

1:03:22

just there's six of them and it's tough to know in

1:03:25

any given week. And not only that, but

1:03:27

just we don't exactly know how

1:03:29

the team feels about each respective guy, Romeo

1:03:31

Dobbs and Christian Mottz and all that stuff.

1:03:34

It's a little revelatory though that you put Jaden

1:03:36

Reid 11 and you put Dontavian Wix 19. Yeah,

1:03:41

well, I had to cram in all those running backs somewhere. Okay.

1:03:44

So, Mim's at

1:03:46

19. He never really got used on offense. This

1:03:48

again is sort of the upside theory. If I

1:03:50

were drafting right now, I would be like, okay,

1:03:53

you know, I'm out of sure things. There's

1:03:55

a big void. There's a big

1:03:57

opening and I'm going to

1:03:59

go. ahead and take the late round shot on Marvin

1:04:01

Mims who I at least thought looked fast

1:04:04

and exciting and fun and let everybody

1:04:06

else go but the quarterback but

1:04:08

the system but they didn't you know

1:04:11

all the stuff that year to year

1:04:13

can easily change and completely undervalue an

1:04:15

offense and does every year we just

1:04:17

don't know which ones I

1:04:19

would take a shot at Marvin Mims and then my number 20

1:04:22

the last player to be mentioned here I put

1:04:24

Quentin Johnson on here that was who you were

1:04:26

talking about I assume yeah I just couldn't I

1:04:28

just couldn't make myself well I wanted to

1:04:30

not do it yeah I

1:04:33

aggressively sought to not have Johnson on

1:04:35

my list yeah because it's not

1:04:37

just a matter of it's got the quarterback it's

1:04:39

not just a matter of well

1:04:43

he wasn't as productive you know if I look

1:04:45

at the numbers I don't see somebody who got

1:04:47

much work and you know there were certainly openings

1:04:49

it's not that it's that anybody who watched a

1:04:51

charger game and actually tried

1:04:54

to evaluate him as a football player

1:04:56

came away like does he know

1:04:58

how to tie his cleats you know like it's yeah

1:05:02

he looked like an absolute mess and

1:05:05

yeah was he the second receiver pick and I

1:05:07

was him or flowers they were right next to each other right

1:05:10

he was yeah I think I think it

1:05:12

was Johnson right and he was the total

1:05:14

package of you know often isn't where the

1:05:16

quarterback expects him to be the hands

1:05:19

aren't working yeah yeah

1:05:22

yeah real bad not trustable and

1:05:24

so I you know again we're low

1:05:26

enough here that it's the point is made that at

1:05:28

this point it looks like a bad pick but

1:05:31

you know I mean it's gonna

1:05:33

talk about him here though because there will be the crutch

1:05:36

argument right that well who else is

1:05:38

there right you know they'll find yeah

1:05:40

they also the hipster argument yeah I

1:05:43

mean they will if he stinks

1:05:45

if he continues to stink they will and it's not

1:05:47

even the coaching staff that took them right it's not

1:05:49

even the GM that took them so

1:05:51

there's yeah there's every

1:05:54

reason to suspect that a player who

1:05:56

is that bad as a

1:05:59

first round receiver It turns

1:06:01

out to be Nikhil Harry, you know, and doesn't ever figure

1:06:03

it out. But there are some guys who figure it out,

1:06:05

so I figured I'd put him on there. My

1:06:08

only other honorable mention, I was bummed not to be

1:06:10

able to put Keaton Mitchell on. But

1:06:14

just like the knee blew up, he

1:06:17

would be close on the list, but couldn't

1:06:19

get him there. Alright, well I hope people enjoyed

1:06:21

this exercise. Once again, I will

1:06:24

put our top 20, even though

1:06:26

Andy didn't number his, they're now numbered for me,

1:06:28

and I'll put him in the show notes of

1:06:31

today's show. And

1:06:34

I want to say something, Andy. I

1:06:36

know when I sign off with the guests, that's usually when

1:06:39

like half the, I don't know if it's half, but a

1:06:41

lot of people just go, ah stop, I want to listen

1:06:43

to another podcast. I'm going to encourage people to stick around

1:06:45

because I have news after you're gone. So

1:06:48

people should stick around for the end of the show.

1:06:50

I've already mentioned it off the top, but just reminding

1:06:52

people again. If you

1:06:54

want to follow Andy on Twitter,

1:06:57

follow him, at Andy Barons, B-E-H-R-E-N-S,

1:06:59

his life is occupied

1:07:01

to an alarming degree by baseball

1:07:03

apparently at this point. People

1:07:07

think it's geese, but no, it's not

1:07:09

a goose account. You can follow me

1:07:11

and it's mostly goose free.

1:07:15

73% goose free, like 27% goose content. And

1:07:20

then a lot of baseball. All right, well for your

1:07:22

53rd appearance, I thought it was pretty fun. Thanks for

1:07:24

doing it. Always a pleasure. Love

1:07:27

catching up. And

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1:08:10

It's what I said off the top of today's

1:08:12

show, which is that Cousin Josh will be the

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guest the next two weeks on the podcast. We'll

1:08:16

talk about my initial 2024 fantasy ranks. You

1:08:19

already knew that part. The second announcement

1:08:21

that you didn't know, I

1:08:24

am doing an almanac again for 2024.

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Many of you really, really like

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the HarrisFootball almanac. Of course,

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I produced it for years, but in 2022 and 2023, I

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did not make an almanac. Even

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though you didn't mean to, a lot of you

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were really disappointed and

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I felt terrible. I know

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how much you like it and I would like to make it. It's

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going to be back again this summer. For

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newer fans who don't know what the heck

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I'm talking about, it's a fantasy draft guide.

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I write mini essays about

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like, I don't know, more than 200 players.

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I think people think it's pretty funny. It's a

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PDF. The delivery of the

1:09:07

almanac is going to, I think, be different

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this year. I don't think it'll be three

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editions. I'm pretty sure it'll be two editions,

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which is the compromise that I'm going to

1:09:16

make here in order to try and do

1:09:18

it again and not burn out. Making

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the thing three times with two different

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updates in August. That's how

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I always did it. It's

1:09:29

a lot and it burned me out before

1:09:31

the season. That's why I didn't do it the last

1:09:33

couple of years. I

1:09:36

don't like disappointing people and

1:09:38

I would like y'all to be happy.

1:09:40

Then also, I don't know, some of the logic

1:09:43

in my fever brain is that the new novel

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that I have done, I don't

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have a publishing arrangement, so it's not coming out this

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fall at this point. Let's get

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a different piece of my writing in your hands. I

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don't even yet have a page where you

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can pre-order yet. That will be coming soon,

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but mostly I just wanted to... to announce

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just not sure but I know how much

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many of you like it and I'm going to do

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it again. The Harris Football Almanac will be back for

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soon. And so there you

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